Evil acts are committed in darkness, this is why Scott Roeder killed George Tiller in broad daylight. He didn't murder him, he was saving innocent children and Tiller happened to die as a result.
Thats the good part. The sad part is that there are a bunch of simple minded redneck idiots who wish to restrict the rights of a woman to control her own body because they mistake a non transentient blob for a person. Also if the fetus goes to heaven, then what is the harm? If heaven were real Id would rather have been aborted than live in this shithole called Earth which is a shithole thanks in part to conservatards
Wow, I still remember this day like it was yesterday. I just got off of work after I had worked 3rd shift. This actually warmed my heart, my wife and I went out to eat to celebrate the babies that were spared when this monster was aborted.
George Tiller assured [Luhra Tivis] that he only performed late-term abortions on “severely deformed” children or for a medical crisis...
“I was seeing 8- and 9-month pregnant women come in, and out of those 2 dozen a week, only about 2% had medical deformities. I thought I was pro-choice back then, but week after week I kept seeing these women coming in with healthy babies and I saw all the records. I didn’t think that was right.”
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@cadrolls And why does the woman have to let another directly dependent organism live inside her body and feed off of it if she doesn't want it there, especially when there is a high chance for health risks?
@cadrolls Yeah, and that's a beautiful ideology, but it's just not compatible with reality. A fetus's development is directly dependent on the body of the mother. This creates a conflict of interest in many cases, oftentimes for health reasons. The actual people, with lives, family, friends, societal responsibilities, etc., get to maintain their rights over their own body, even while pregnant. You can't let potential people usurp their rights on the basis of your incomprehensive ideology.
@cadrolls The support from the psychiatric community isn't "overwhelming". There are anecdotal cases where a woman was raped, felt pressured into abortion, and now regrets the abortion. I don't believe a woman should ever be pressured into making her choice. She should know all the facts, consider all the factors, and go from there. And again, you're assuming that a fertilized egg automatically has an inherent right to life, and since you claim to be a non-believer, that assumption puzzles me.
@cadrolls Yeah but the thing is that people have sex for non-procreational purposes. They always have and they always will. And if they don't want a child to spring from that activity they should use contraception, but sometimes that fails and then you have abortion. If a rape victim wants to keep the baby hey great that's her choice. It's obviously not the right choice for everybody, and for everybody else, there's abortion.
@cadrolls When the fetus's body is directly dependent on her body, and when it is living INSIDE her body, I dare say she has the right to say whether it stays or goes. And you CANNOT be serious with the whole "you can't punish the rape victim for the father's crime" shit. It's not punishing anybody, it's removing a bundle of stem cells before it has the chance to think, feel, or survive on its own. Cut the emotional crap and come to reality. Abortion isn't a pretty procedure but it's necessary.
@cadrolls Hitler killed PEOPLE. Susan Smith killed PEOPLE. All PEOPLE have gone through a developmental stage where they are directly physically dependent on another person and live inside that person--that person being their mother. You can't deny the mother, a PERSON, her bodily rights because of what the thing inside her has potential to become. Especially since rape (nonviolent and violent, physical and psychological) happens, condoms break, and teenagers do stupid shit.
@cadrolls Virtually no fetuses aborted have brains capable of thinking, let alone being aware of their environment and reacting to it, and studies have concluded that fetuses that developed are nonetheless so deeply unconscious as to be fully anesthetized.
Either way, is the correct response to this is... terrorism and murder? Really? I hope you never speak out against Hamas, Hezbollah, the guys who did 9/11, or the IRA, or whatever. It'd be awfully hypocritical of you.
@cadrolls You can't terrorize something incapable of thinking. You can, however, terrorize medical doctors and nurses and women already struggling with a difficult decision. Once again, terrorism: Not such a bad thing after all. Why aren't you guys being talked about by Peter King and his fellow witch hunters, anyway?
@cadrolls ... so, no, you don't have any actual reason for believing what you do, you just know slogans and catchphrases and whatnot. Gotcha. I guess that's about right for you folks these days. Are you sure you don't watch Fox News? They're right up your alley.
@cadrolls Anyway, you keep dodging the issue. I'd love to hear you actually explain what makes you think a one week old embryo is equal to a... three year old child, or whatever. Are you able to actually provide a logical argument to support your point of view? So far all you've had to say is hyperbole, exaggeration, and appeals to emotion, which is worth about squat as far as the actual issue goes.
People will have abortions until our species is extinct. The choice is between making abortions as unsafe for them as possible, or actually doing things to reduce the need for abortions, which would be through alleviating poverty, improving education, and providing good access to contraceptives. Incidentally, the last two are what Planned Parenthood did, so enjoy those additional abortions caused by women having less access to reproductive services.
@cadrolls And to clarify, I value human life considerably. A baby is worth quite a bit more than an ant. But, we aren't discussing babies, we're discussing fetuses and embryos, portions of a woman's body which have no mind, and have none of the qualities that separate us from ants. Feel free to disagree, but you ought not to misrepresent what I say.
Hitler's motives weren't a respect for life. The Reich needed more soldiers for warfare. Women were rewarded for raising numerous children.
@cadrolls You don't seem to understand. When you watch Fox News and Rupert Murdoch's blondes rail against abortion, they're selling their viewers the "pro-life" message. When people hold signs with images of aborted fetuses on them, that's also people attempting to sell their ideals to an audience. You don't have to go to a website to be subjected to people promulgating any particular message.
I suspect you may be right. America's right wing is so radical they may repeal it. We'll see in 2012.
@cadrolls None of that made any sense. You're assuming the word "marketing" implies an exchange of money I think. It doesn't. The word "vagina" isn't a word that is designed to sell someone an idea. No more than the word fibula, or stapes, or acetabulum.
I'm not against abortion because I know it's a vital reproductive health service that many women find the necessity for. And I the actual arguments for fetuses being people are quite nonsensical, as you've demonstrated here quite well.
@cadrolls Specifically, how do you expect to get money for the prisons necessary to detain all the women who would get abortions and be imprisoned for life (or death)? Where will you get the police to investigate all the spontaneous abortions which occur naturally, or presumed to be natural? Are you comfortable with the idea that all children created in the US (that is, anyone who simply gets pregnant there) having citizenship for their child?
The list goes on. Have you considered any of this?
@cadrolls Yes, they're marketing terms. They're designed to sell an idea, much as dressing creationism up as "intelligent design" attempted to. So, you and yours will talk about "unborn children" and all sorts of other fancy terms designed to invoke empathy instead of actually thinking it through. What makes a child worth protecting? Does an embryo have those qualities? Which is a "human life" and which isn't?
And, what are the full implications of the idea that a fetus or embryo is a person?
@cadrolls You keep using these words as if they're an argument in themselves. "Human child". "Baby human". I'm not susceptible to these marketing terms, I'm afraid. But, I suppose, that's what this "pro-life" stuff is all about. All pictures, and descriptions, and histrionics, and no thought or logic. Such a shame.
I also enjoy that you think I'm arguing in favour of reproductive rights for women out of some personal interest in women I have sex with having abortions. That's very interesting.
@cadrolls Well, why is killing a person wrong? Is killing an ant equally wrong? Why or why not? There's a difference. That difference resides in our minds and the peerless qualities of ourselves as thinking, feeling creatures. A fetus does not think, it does not feel, the former not until very near birth anyway, the latter not until after. The thing that makes human life valuable is absent from a fetus/embryo, therefore, many people do not agree that destroying them is wrong.
@cadrolls The Bible specifically cites instances where children should be stoned to death for disobedience. It also is where that well-known saying, "spare the rod and spoil the child" comes from. Saying the Bible says children must never be harmed is completely incorrect.
And I'll restate this for your benefit. Abortion was common when Jesus lived. People didn't see fetuses/embryos as children. Nowhere in the Bible is abortion spoken of by Jesus or anyone else. It is not mentioned at all.
The fact that when the bible was written it wasn't considered killing to have an abortion, and that Jesus never once spoke out against abortion, make the Christian crusading against abortion these days something of an anomaly.
@cadrolls I'm not going to bother answering this question, because it has nothing to do with my post. You said, "If you kept your zipper up and she kept her legs CLOSED, there would be no 'suffering'", and so I responded. Now, before we continue to debate, do you believe that the murder of this abortion doctor is justified?
The needs of suffering of the woman? If you kept your zipper up and she kept her legs CLOSED, there would be no "suffering". I've got news for you, the latest poll showed that 51% of ALL Americans are now FIRMLY against abortion and the arrow showing support to pro-life growing at a fast rate. In the end, we WILLl win. It is impossible that we will lose at this point. Your days of showing indifference to the killing of an innocent child is FAST coming to an end. It is about time too.
@cadrolls1 Abortion access is necessary for a free society. You can do your rallies and hold up your gross posters and pray in public, but abortion access is here to stay. The creation of new people must be a conscious planned decision, not left up to the whims of nature (or as you call it god). You can't value a nonviable parasite as superior or even equal to the woman it inhabits, that is SICK. You want a theocracy, go to Iraq. Otherwise, work to help the suffering children already here.
Most people seem to forget that most abortions happen after the age of most premature baby births. Why is that so important? Because we have ALL seen how premature babies react to the voices of their Mothers. We have ALL seen how they smile when their Mothers talk in parentease. We have ALL seen how they reach out and grasp their Mother's hand with their tiny little fingers. Don't fall for the abortion lies. It is a BILLION dollar a year industry. A baby killing business.
@cadrolls1 You have no idea what you're talking about. Late term abortions (>21 weeks) account for approximately 1.5% of all abortions in the US. Most abortions (61.8%) are done within the first nine weeks.
This is what I mean about educating yourself. You believe things that are really the opposite of reality. Even when I told you to learn something about this subject, I bet you didn't even bother doing a two-second search for some actual data. There are lives at stake. Don't be so stupid.
@cadrolls1 I'm telling you that the #1 cause of death amongst women of reproductive age prior to Roe v. Wade in the US was botched abortions. And it's the ignorance of voters like you that stands to one day bring an end to safe, legal abortions for women who require them.
@BigMikeMcBastard Let me get this right. You are trying to get me to have sympathy for a girl who tries to kill her unborn baby and accidentally kills herself? If a man were to shove a coathanger up his rectum because he had constipation and accidentally injured himself, he would be held for psychiatric evaluation before being released from the hospital. What you are saying is this: A baby human being is worth LESS than a piece of shit.
@cadrolls1 Your indifference toward the needs and suffering of woman is pretty revolting, and your lack of any comprehension of the situation is pretty pathetic. I can only hope for the US's sake that people like you never get any real decision-making power.
@ihaterobbie123 As I've written, the majority of ALL Americans are SOLIDLY against abortion. Over 90% of ALL highschool students are against abortion too. Unless you have a problem with simple arithmatic, then you will have no choice but to conclude that abortion WILL cease, someday, to be legal.
@cadrolls1 It's quite obvious you're thumbing up your own comments on other accounts or asking other people to as "evidence" that the country is against abortion, but that's not what I'm talking about.
CBS has polled this issue since 2003 and has shown that around 75% of Americans think abortion should be legal MoE +/- 3.0. The VCULSS put it at 80% in the later half of 2010 with an MoE +/- 3.7.
Now before you show me some poll taken in your local church, try to invalidate these findings.
@ihaterobbie123 In the latest poll done two weeks ago, 51% of ALL Americans said they are AGAINST abortion. It went on to indicate that about 90% of all highschool students are now against it too. By the way, you can only thumb up on your own comment once, I believe. The survey wasn't taken at a church. I am a non-believer so it wouldn't have motivated me anyway. This poll was done by NBC nightly national news shown on channel 8 here in Connecticut.
@cadrolls1 So your one poll invalidates the numerous polls I've mentioned?
By the way, the CBS polls I referred to numbered in the tens the earliest in spring 03 and the latest in mid December 2010.
Not only that, but if you look at the stark contrast between high school KIDS and university/college STUDENTS on this issue you'd find that they are polar opposites.
And no, 51% are most likely against the broad practice for "any reason" which I have mixed views on.
And your poll being the newest by half a month means nothing, national support for an issue does not diminish by 33% in half a month, the world doesn't work that way.
@cadrolls1 an unborn fetus is not sentient.therefore it is not human per say as you or I.If we use your analogy then algea and baterias that cause plagues etc shouldnt be eradicated because they aare alive as well.I oppose abortion except where the mother may die during child birth or the fetus is conceived through rape.that said,a woman,contrary to what a 2000 year old book of fairytales says is not inferior to a man and can make her own decisions regarding her body.
@cadrolls1 an unborn fetus is not sentient.therefore it is not human per say as you or I.If we use your analogy then algea and baterias that cause plagues etc shouldnt be eradicated because they aare alive as well.I oppose abortion except where the mother may die during child birth or the fetus is conceived through rape.that said,a woman,contrary to what a 2000 year old book of fairytales says is not inferior to a man and can make her own decisions regarding her body.
If you're still having doubts about where the American Holocaust's name came from you can research Margaret Sanger (founder of Planned Parenthood) and her beliefs in eugenics (what (S)Hitler believed in) and how she wanted to rid the world of the Black race. It's working too! Black women have 3 times the abortion rate of White women. Lila Rose went undercover to expose Planned Parenthood's racial targeting. "This is not liberation. This is elimination."
If anyone knows where the two men who killed the child killing Doctor are located, within the prison system, please let me know so I can send them some money.
@HaloSpartanG13 Christians don't actually believe killing is bad, and they never had. They'll say "killing is bad" all day until they see someone they disagree with strongly enough. Then they're baying for blood. The Crusades, Inquisition, and now home-grown US terrorists murdering their own doctors. And to think these people are the same ones who balk at mosques being built near Ground Zero. But I guess terrorists are alright as long as they're Christians too.
Look folks - you don't understand the first thing about this - There are laws on the books in some states called "the make my day law" , which basically means you are allowed to use deadly force to stop someone from injuring another (any way you can) - I know you are going to say - But Tiller was not "in the act" , but I ask you - How the heck was anyone supposed to stop this murderer if he was riding to work in an armored car and had personal guards. More to follow...
@kqxzpdq The courts have made up their mind on this with Roe v. Wade. If you disagree, get political and try to change the state of thinking. When people like Scott Roeder murder others in order to intimidate people and stop actions they believe ought to be stopped, they're literally no different than the guys who flew planes into buildings on 9/11. And you people who cheer him on are those people in Libya and elsewhere who burned US flags and cheered in the streets after the fact.
@BAFRIENDINC2 Interestingly, Jesus didn't have any objections to abortion. It's actually a relatively recent thing, abortion being seen as a bad thing by Christians.
@cadrolls1 It's obviously not clearly killing. Humans don't care about life, they care about "human life", but only if it meets certain requirements. You can pretend as if all life is sacred, but then, you can probably think of some people living or dead who you might feel justified in killing as it would have prevented the deaths of millions. Besides, the Christian God commanded his adherents to kill entire societies of people. Since when is not killing something that God takes seriously?
@BigMikeMcBastard Personally, I am a non-believer. Like I have written elsewhere though, if a Police Officer spotted a woman stabbing her child, the Officer has every right to use deadly force to stop her in an attempt to halt her actions. Likewise, people have EVERY right to try and prevent a child from being tortured to death by a child murderer dressed like a Doctor, as far as I am concerned.
Don't reply. It would be a waste of time for both of us.
@cadrolls1 You cite one of the Ten Commandments of Christians, and then you say you're a non-believer. That's interesting.
Anyway, your grasp of the situation is as weak as your analogy of it. I hope for your sake you actually decide at some point to develop an understanding of abortion and the issues surrounding it, if not for your own sake as a supposedly thinking human being (something a fetus is not, by the way) but for the women who depend on legal abortions for their health.
@BigMikeMcBastard You're the one who brought religion into it. According to a new poll, more Americans are against abortion now in this country than at any other time since the 1960s. It indicated that the arrow showing anti-abotion sentiment is continual. That means that, eventually, abortion will be illegal again. It IS only a matter of time too. There is no way that support for abortion will EVER grow again. Too many people know now what happens during an abortion. It is UNACCEPTABLE .
@cadrolls1 More to the point though, there is nothing different between an embryo of a few days old compared with an equal number of skin cells. Skin cells are alive, they're human, they grow, and using cloning techniques they could be used to create a human (thus 'potential life'). And yet you don't condemn people for scratching their arm, do you?
But anyway, outlawing abortion doesn't stop abortions, it only creates a black market for them. Killing doctors is also a pretty sick answer.
@BigMikeMcBastard I don't believe in cloning people because it shortens the person's lifespan SUBSTANCIALLY, almost by half. You wrote: "But anyway, outlawing abortion doesn't stop abortions, it only creates a black market for them." When abortion was illegal, it was estimated that between 6,000-20,000 illegal abortions occurred anually here in the U.S.A. After abortion was legalized, that number shot up to more than 1.3 MILLION. Fewer babies being tortured to death suits me just FINE!
hey troll sorry for just now getting back to you but i just now only read your message
interestingly but not surprisingly- you are wrong and stupid
Jesus used as a synonym for hell the name 'gehenna'- which in fact is a valley near juruealem where the prostitutes went to have their abortions- no, abortion is not a recent thing and Jesus was aware of it
@BAFRIENDINC2 Gehenna is in the Old Testament and is part of Judaism. It also has nothing to do with abortions. Abortion was commonplace back then, as it is now. If Jesus cared about it at all he'd have said something significant about it, wouldn't he? And yet, not a peep. It's only in the last couple hundred years that Christians squeezed their own meaning out of the bible to make abortion something that mattered to Jesus when clearly it did not.
god does not exist all you people need some other channels for your repressed anger! hopefully someone goes and shoots someone you know and then justifies it with some rhetoric like i read on this page. Funny how christians pretend to know what their so called god wants..
You people are hillarious!!!! Take your "holier-than-thou" act and shove it up your ass. You are probably sitting at home right now jerking off to kiddie porn. Keep your beliefs out of my life. Grow the fuck up. Seriously? If your mom was gang raped im sure you would have a different viewpoint. Convenient, huh? LMFAO
Late term abortions have nothing to do with that so you're an idiot. This is just a case of a child murderer getting his just desserts unlike other child murderers that are still on the loose like China Arnold.
I am happy for what happened to him. Hopefully he's facing god at this time and fealing shameful in front of Gods eyes. What is this country coming too? The person that killed the DR. gets arrested. The DR. who killed unborn children gets respect. Fuck you all for allowing abortions and hope you all get to face God in that judgement day. Who the fuck told bitches to open their fucking legs and get pregnant? Fuck you killers. What are we now, the new Germany? Hitler Country? Fuck abortionists.
A good father a good human does not kill babies .20 weeks is a real human being.Don't white people know how many pople want to adopt white babies. Being a minority means there arefewer desirable "colored " infants but the issue is much larger than this.Humans dont kill animals or humans.If u have ever seen the cows and pigs butchered too crazy to understand since animalseat in terrible ways too.This world is unconscionable. godisevil
@Trustisaliability It's a fake controversy in my opinion. Killing somebody because they're an abortion doctor, or whatever reason, is all the same. Hate Crimes are a joke and nothing but political pandering. Basically: their is no such thing as a "Hate Crime." It's all killing and the reason doesn't matter.
George Tiller the baby killer got exactley what he deserved. I have no sympathy for him or his family. Tiller the baby killer murdered over 50,000 innocent babies. Scott Roeder is a hero and should be awarded the medal of honor for removing a scum sucking piece of baby killing monkey shit from our streets
somebody should shoot that person in the leg who failed to kill this fucker the first time, WHEN YOU DO SOMETHING MAKE SURE YOU GET IT RIGHT THEFIRST TIME, GEORGE TILLER GOT WHAT HE DESERVED!!!!!!!!!!!
@cuggyuggy It's all about the money my friend. Tiller probably donated heavily to his church. He made over a million dollars a year. If you give enough money to any church they'll let you in
A child inside the womb is no different than a child outside the womb; they are our future teachers, mothers, fathers, clergymen, politicians, and holy ones. But theyll never get the chance to see the light of day because of the satanic idea of a womans right to choose.
@cuggyuggy Translation: Thou shalt not murder and that a person should not murder another because he is destroying someone made in Gods image.
The creation of man in Gods image is linked with the sixth commandment of the Ten Commandments even though it was made clear that was a sin to murder a man even before the giving of those commandments.
I like how they keep saying he is a family man...that's just insulting.
I also like how Tiller arbitrarily determines when a baby has a right to life...based on natural survival. Well guess what Tiller...even AFTER birth a baby cannot survive on it's own...wow what a complete idiot.
Tiller's murder was blasted all over liberal media and is still being blasted like crazy but notice how these same groups haven't spoken a word about a famous anti-abortion activist that was murdered shortly after what happened to Tiller. Oh you didn't know this? Of course not. This doesn't fit liberal media's agenda.
Tiller was a brave man that provided a legal and important job for women that suffered from medical problems and things like incest and rape. Scott Roeder is justly in jail now. CNN certainly didn't get this story right.
At one time, SLAVERY was legal in this country. It wasn't right, but it was legal. Helping slaves escape to canada was illegal. It was illegal, but the right thing nonetheless. Similarly, Abortion is legal, but it's morally wrong. Killing an abortionist may be illegal, but it's justified in that it stops the attrocities against the innocent unborn.
how is abortion morally wrong? what this guy did is morally wrong. second trimester abortions are so fucked up. but first trimester is perfectly fine. lets say you had a sister. and that sister got raped and she is now pregnant. your saying you would make your sister feel guilty and call her morally unjust? or lets say your kid has a mental problem the doctors said your kid will never ever live a healthy live what would you do? would you MAKE them keep it?
I can understand your position and viewpoints. I believe abortion is wrong since it terminates an innocent life. As for cases of rape, incest , the mother's life in jeopardy from said pregnancy or other (rare) incidents, these are about the only cases where abortion should be permitted. If I were to have a child with a mental or physical handicap, I don't believe terminating him would be right. (Hitler believed in terminating the handicaped). For unplanned pregnancies, there is adoption.
i agree. but let me ask you this. how many kids that are in the system get picked up by a family? how many kids are in the system right now? how many kids get raped and abused in the system? the problem with adoption is that you dont know the out come of that child.
Of course theres always been child abuse, but the VAST majority of children are adopted by genuine loving fanilies. In fact, I'll tell you about one couple in particular who were unable to concieve and adopted two children. They were excelent parents. I know because I was one of the babies they adopted.
vast majority? where does it say that? i looked at the numbers my friend theres more children being forgotten then adopted. a few good stories of children being adopted but most forgotten in the system. and you are the small few. just because your life turned out ok doesnt mean others will.
get off your high moral horse and look past the bible bullshit. past the other bullshit and look at it from all points of views. and put yourself in that girls postion. research the first trimister and tell me would you consider that baby living? or a fetus growing?
@deanhoward8 Again I quote "Master, how many times shall I forgive my brother? seven perhaps?" Peter thought this to be a fair number. And Jesus to Peter: "Not seven times, but seventy times seven."
In all truth, Jesus was saying the chances to be forgiven are infinite, not limited to human interpretation. Again, rationalizing Roeder's actions just cannot happen.
And I'm saying that it's not mine to forgive. It is noble to forgive a man who sins against YOU. No one but God and the victim can forgive someone. To say otherwise is irrational. How can you possibly forgive someone for harming someone else?
It is simple. When YOU act out against someone who in no way has harmed you, you make their sin a burden upon you. Once you burden yourself with the anger provided by another person's sin, it then becomes your equal responsibility to forgive that sin. Involvement cannot just be 50%. If you want to involve yourself so deeply into affairs which are not your own, then you should have to reap all of the responsibility that comes with it. If its sin, then forgiveness is that responsibility.
and by your logic, if you need not forgive someone for harming someone else, then you need not care at all.
Still I bring up the point of the mother. It was always the mother's choice to abort. Always. Should Roeder not have shot every single Church going mother as well? By your faulty logic, he very well should have.
All I have to say is this. Jesus dies for us all, for the forgiveness of all sins. If you view what Tiller did as sin, then he should have been given the same chance as you or I would have had to repent. That being until the day of his natural death. With Roeder doing what he did, taking away the very chance Christ himself provided....I call that both psychotic and anti-Christian. Depriving a man of the chance to redeem himself. There is no heroism in that.
Try as you might to rationalize murder. You will only prove to me that you are a fanatic, Pseudo Christian who merely uses the bible as a means to justify unjustifiable actions. If God wants a man dead, he provides a natural means. A car accident, a heart attack, cancer, and the like. He does not have a man gun down another in his house. To even begin to try and rationalize that is the beginning of the end of all rational thought.
And Again I say to all the Roeder supporters out there...what of the women who CHOSE to get the abortions? Where are the death threats to them? Where are the guns to their heads at church? Where are their would be judges? If Tiller deserved this (and I don't think he did) then every woman he treated deserves the same fate as well.
Pseudo Christian Fanatics...making the faith hypocritical once again.
Real quick, you are a great troll & all, but you forget the part where Peter the apostle struck dead the husband & wife that tried to deceive while attempting to join the disciples.
Kinda like tiller attending church with blood on his hands.
This was very new testament.
As Christians, we aren't required to roll over for you.
I know I'll get nowhere with this debate, we are all set in stone on our views. Therefore I blocked you & Momsincharge. I'm tired of this popping up on my E-mail.
you think me a troll. No, I am not. I'm merely the kind of Christian who is sick and tired of fakes like you memorizing the bible so you can advocate one atrocity or another when it fits with your own personal agenda. Again, you show little in the arena of professionalism. You'd do much better as a salesman, since you have a knack for bullshit.
Still, I love how you advocate murder, when you also seem to be against it. Call yourself a Christian much? No, I see you as a despicable little person who uses the name of Christianity to get by on what he otherwise knows to be wrong. You can advocate the murder of Dr. Tiller all you please. It only convinces me further that you are indeed the Devil in sheep's clothing.
" @AndrewDeLong God hates sin and as God hates it so should you.
Again it is not to punish Tiller but to prevent Tiller from perfoming abortions. "
I do hate sin. But like God, I can forgive sin as well. If you ignore this fact, then please, don't sully my faith by calling yourself a Christian. Christians know how to forgive even the worst sin. You do not.
Also, stop commenting and then deleting. I'll simply copy from my in box and repost.
so you would forgive a man who finger fucked your 11 year old daughter while she is playing hopscotch during recess? if a man finger fucked 45 children including your daughter you would forgive him??
I would damn well try to forgive the man. Problem is, I have no daughter to speak of, therefore your situation is moot in reference to me. Fact is, I don't even believe in the death penalty, life long incarceration yes, a death sentence, no. So would I have the man put away for the rest of his life, of course. Would I wish him dead? No, absolutely not.
I CAN NOT BELIEVE THAT SOME ARE SO ADAMANT ABOUT DEFENDING A MASS CHILD MURDER!
I can understand some woman who is trrying to justify her actions, but what do others have to gain?
Our society is going to shit in part because of the sense of entitlment & selfishness involved in this issue.
Andrew, you type on my profile that scriptures will never sell a point to an intellectual, then you try to use them to sell & defend partial birth abortionists!
No, I'm simply using the scriptures that you seem to neglect, in light of your own personal attributions toward this matter. You claim is was religiously justified, yet when I can show you a thousand ways it wasn't, you still try to justify it anyway. I am not defending Tiller. If you truly had any thinking power, you could easily see that I was merely crushing your defense of Roeder and his ilk.
If you would instantly forgive a man who killed your child for money & not even think about acting to prevent it you are nothing more or less than a coward & an accomplice. You can't call yourself a man.
Did I say forgiveness was instant ? Did I say it was easy? No, I did not. But I do believe it is the best option there is. Violence begets violence. It does not take a man to kill. It takes a coward, to afraid to take the true and righteous road. It takes a person who lacks something within them to pull away from the brink.
Answer this. If you're in a white hot rage, which is easier. Pulling the trigger, or not pulling it, and walking away. A real man can walk away, a coward will not.
Furthermore, if you are a hard line Christian as you claim to be, the derivative of that word being Christ....would you not follow the doctrine of forgiveness above all else. and I quote "Master, how many times shall I forgive my brother" And Jesus answered to Peter: "Seventy times seven."
For a hard line Christian, you certainly fall short of one of the greater wisdom's provided by that book you follow so closely.
I would argue that it takes more courage to throw ones life away for his belief also.
There a re some you forgive when they repent for the wrongs they've done, the man we speak of was without repentance.
It says a lot about how far our country has degenarated, when one must defend his posission on stopping a guy that kills children who are older than many premature babies that live productive lives.
Again, you miss the point completely. 70 times 7 was not a literal number. When Peter asked that question of Jesus, Peter first suggested that he forgive his brother 7 times only. What Jesus was really saying is that the amount of times one should forgive is truly without limit. If my exemplification of how you fail to practice your own faith makes you this angry....you might want to question how strong your faith really was in the first place. Yes, I doubt your motives 100%!
Suit yourself. People usually shy away from a debate they know they were never meant to win anyway. If you cannot hold onto the greatest tenant of the CHRISTian faith...forgiveness....then you should seriously consider abandoning it altogether. I would not one such as yourself poisoning it anyway, with your vengeance filled motives.
I'm sure the stoplight will feel the same way, given the argumentative points you have to offer up.
So if no one else has business forgiving Tiller, then no one else has business WITH Tiller. It works both ways kid. If someone is offended and hurt...or in this case angered by another's actions then indeed, they have business forgiving the person as well.
Sorry, but you can't have one and exclude the other. Where's the logic in that? Nowhere.
A FEMALE TROLL PULLING UP 6 MONTH OLD TOPICS TO TRY TO MAKE HERSELF FEEL BETTER ABOUT BEING THE CHILD KILLER SHE IS.
MOMSINCHARGE, HOW MANY OF YOUR KIDS BROTHERS & SISTERS DID YOU HAVE MURDERED?
You are another piece of shit with nothing more important to do than attempt to validate your VILE actions, because you know what you have done is despicable in the eyes of the Lord.
What does that make George Bush and his phony call for the Iraq war?
People who walk around are human beings. Babies in the womb are POTENTIAL human beings. They have to survive the birthing process first. If their mother dies before this can happen, two die, not one.
Sorry, I up voted you based on the 'churches are sanctuaries for sinners' bit. I didn't realize you were going on to call a mass murderer a healer. Tiller was no more a healer than Nazi doctors who used "undesirables" for experiments were.
Maybe when you grow up and get over the anger you have against women you will understand a few things such as the only person's behaviour you are responsible for is yourself.
Evil acts are committed in darkness, this is why Scott Roeder killed George Tiller in broad daylight. He didn't murder him, he was saving innocent children and Tiller happened to die as a result.
d3ltadrive 3 weeks ago
we can talk about abortion sure, but dont say its ok to commit murder inside a church becuase you dont agree with him.
spencerchef 3 weeks ago
Fuck Tiller but Roeder does NOT represent pro lifers!
shitdiddly 4 months ago
What's the big deal about killing this guy?
fukstick40 4 months ago
Only sad part of this whole story is that the killer went to jail.
AfthartosVideos 6 months ago
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Thats the good part. The sad part is that there are a bunch of simple minded redneck idiots who wish to restrict the rights of a woman to control her own body because they mistake a non transentient blob for a person. Also if the fetus goes to heaven, then what is the harm? If heaven were real Id would rather have been aborted than live in this shithole called Earth which is a shithole thanks in part to conservatards
SexyArcanine666 6 months ago
Tiller will be remembered as a murderer. And rightly so.
fezbhoy19 8 months ago 9
The guy who killed him was a hero
ritzinlondon 8 months ago 10
Wow, I still remember this day like it was yesterday. I just got off of work after I had worked 3rd shift. This actually warmed my heart, my wife and I went out to eat to celebrate the babies that were spared when this monster was aborted.
1776iscoming 9 months ago 13
George Tiller assured [Luhra Tivis] that he only performed late-term abortions on “severely deformed” children or for a medical crisis...
“I was seeing 8- and 9-month pregnant women come in, and out of those 2 dozen a week, only about 2% had medical deformities. I thought I was pro-choice back then, but week after week I kept seeing these women coming in with healthy babies and I saw all the records. I didn’t think that was right.”
No to "prochoice" lies! CHOOSE LIFE!
prolifepinay 10 months ago 15
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@cadrolls And why does the woman have to let another directly dependent organism live inside her body and feed off of it if she doesn't want it there, especially when there is a high chance for health risks?
gingerbreadcorpses 10 months ago
@cadrolls Yeah, and that's a beautiful ideology, but it's just not compatible with reality. A fetus's development is directly dependent on the body of the mother. This creates a conflict of interest in many cases, oftentimes for health reasons. The actual people, with lives, family, friends, societal responsibilities, etc., get to maintain their rights over their own body, even while pregnant. You can't let potential people usurp their rights on the basis of your incomprehensive ideology.
gingerbreadcorpses 10 months ago
@cadrolls The support from the psychiatric community isn't "overwhelming". There are anecdotal cases where a woman was raped, felt pressured into abortion, and now regrets the abortion. I don't believe a woman should ever be pressured into making her choice. She should know all the facts, consider all the factors, and go from there. And again, you're assuming that a fertilized egg automatically has an inherent right to life, and since you claim to be a non-believer, that assumption puzzles me.
gingerbreadcorpses 10 months ago
@cadrolls Yeah but the thing is that people have sex for non-procreational purposes. They always have and they always will. And if they don't want a child to spring from that activity they should use contraception, but sometimes that fails and then you have abortion. If a rape victim wants to keep the baby hey great that's her choice. It's obviously not the right choice for everybody, and for everybody else, there's abortion.
gingerbreadcorpses 10 months ago
@cadrolls When the fetus's body is directly dependent on her body, and when it is living INSIDE her body, I dare say she has the right to say whether it stays or goes. And you CANNOT be serious with the whole "you can't punish the rape victim for the father's crime" shit. It's not punishing anybody, it's removing a bundle of stem cells before it has the chance to think, feel, or survive on its own. Cut the emotional crap and come to reality. Abortion isn't a pretty procedure but it's necessary.
gingerbreadcorpses 10 months ago
@cadrolls Hitler killed PEOPLE. Susan Smith killed PEOPLE. All PEOPLE have gone through a developmental stage where they are directly physically dependent on another person and live inside that person--that person being their mother. You can't deny the mother, a PERSON, her bodily rights because of what the thing inside her has potential to become. Especially since rape (nonviolent and violent, physical and psychological) happens, condoms break, and teenagers do stupid shit.
gingerbreadcorpses 10 months ago
@cadrolls Virtually no fetuses aborted have brains capable of thinking, let alone being aware of their environment and reacting to it, and studies have concluded that fetuses that developed are nonetheless so deeply unconscious as to be fully anesthetized.
Either way, is the correct response to this is... terrorism and murder? Really? I hope you never speak out against Hamas, Hezbollah, the guys who did 9/11, or the IRA, or whatever. It'd be awfully hypocritical of you.
BigMikeMcBastard 10 months ago
@cadrolls You can't terrorize something incapable of thinking. You can, however, terrorize medical doctors and nurses and women already struggling with a difficult decision. Once again, terrorism: Not such a bad thing after all. Why aren't you guys being talked about by Peter King and his fellow witch hunters, anyway?
BigMikeMcBastard 10 months ago
@cadrolls Thought for the day: Terrorism is OK as long as it supports your ideals.
BigMikeMcBastard 10 months ago
@cadrolls Look at how clever you are.
BigMikeMcBastard 10 months ago
@cadrolls Yeah, that must be the case. You are so smart.
BigMikeMcBastard 10 months ago
@cadrolls ... so, no, you don't have any actual reason for believing what you do, you just know slogans and catchphrases and whatnot. Gotcha. I guess that's about right for you folks these days. Are you sure you don't watch Fox News? They're right up your alley.
BigMikeMcBastard 10 months ago
@cadrolls Anyway, you keep dodging the issue. I'd love to hear you actually explain what makes you think a one week old embryo is equal to a... three year old child, or whatever. Are you able to actually provide a logical argument to support your point of view? So far all you've had to say is hyperbole, exaggeration, and appeals to emotion, which is worth about squat as far as the actual issue goes.
BigMikeMcBastard 10 months ago
@cadrolls I never said you watched Fox.
People will have abortions until our species is extinct. The choice is between making abortions as unsafe for them as possible, or actually doing things to reduce the need for abortions, which would be through alleviating poverty, improving education, and providing good access to contraceptives. Incidentally, the last two are what Planned Parenthood did, so enjoy those additional abortions caused by women having less access to reproductive services.
BigMikeMcBastard 10 months ago
@cadrolls And to clarify, I value human life considerably. A baby is worth quite a bit more than an ant. But, we aren't discussing babies, we're discussing fetuses and embryos, portions of a woman's body which have no mind, and have none of the qualities that separate us from ants. Feel free to disagree, but you ought not to misrepresent what I say.
Hitler's motives weren't a respect for life. The Reich needed more soldiers for warfare. Women were rewarded for raising numerous children.
BigMikeMcBastard 10 months ago
@cadrolls You don't seem to understand. When you watch Fox News and Rupert Murdoch's blondes rail against abortion, they're selling their viewers the "pro-life" message. When people hold signs with images of aborted fetuses on them, that's also people attempting to sell their ideals to an audience. You don't have to go to a website to be subjected to people promulgating any particular message.
I suspect you may be right. America's right wing is so radical they may repeal it. We'll see in 2012.
BigMikeMcBastard 10 months ago
@cadrolls None of that made any sense. You're assuming the word "marketing" implies an exchange of money I think. It doesn't. The word "vagina" isn't a word that is designed to sell someone an idea. No more than the word fibula, or stapes, or acetabulum.
I'm not against abortion because I know it's a vital reproductive health service that many women find the necessity for. And I the actual arguments for fetuses being people are quite nonsensical, as you've demonstrated here quite well.
BigMikeMcBastard 10 months ago
@cadrolls I have no idea what you're asking.
BigMikeMcBastard 10 months ago
@cadrolls Specifically, how do you expect to get money for the prisons necessary to detain all the women who would get abortions and be imprisoned for life (or death)? Where will you get the police to investigate all the spontaneous abortions which occur naturally, or presumed to be natural? Are you comfortable with the idea that all children created in the US (that is, anyone who simply gets pregnant there) having citizenship for their child?
The list goes on. Have you considered any of this?
BigMikeMcBastard 10 months ago
@cadrolls Yes, they're marketing terms. They're designed to sell an idea, much as dressing creationism up as "intelligent design" attempted to. So, you and yours will talk about "unborn children" and all sorts of other fancy terms designed to invoke empathy instead of actually thinking it through. What makes a child worth protecting? Does an embryo have those qualities? Which is a "human life" and which isn't?
And, what are the full implications of the idea that a fetus or embryo is a person?
BigMikeMcBastard 10 months ago
@cadrolls You keep using these words as if they're an argument in themselves. "Human child". "Baby human". I'm not susceptible to these marketing terms, I'm afraid. But, I suppose, that's what this "pro-life" stuff is all about. All pictures, and descriptions, and histrionics, and no thought or logic. Such a shame.
I also enjoy that you think I'm arguing in favour of reproductive rights for women out of some personal interest in women I have sex with having abortions. That's very interesting.
BigMikeMcBastard 10 months ago
@cadrolls Well, why is killing a person wrong? Is killing an ant equally wrong? Why or why not? There's a difference. That difference resides in our minds and the peerless qualities of ourselves as thinking, feeling creatures. A fetus does not think, it does not feel, the former not until very near birth anyway, the latter not until after. The thing that makes human life valuable is absent from a fetus/embryo, therefore, many people do not agree that destroying them is wrong.
BigMikeMcBastard 10 months ago
@cadrolls The Bible specifically cites instances where children should be stoned to death for disobedience. It also is where that well-known saying, "spare the rod and spoil the child" comes from. Saying the Bible says children must never be harmed is completely incorrect.
And I'll restate this for your benefit. Abortion was common when Jesus lived. People didn't see fetuses/embryos as children. Nowhere in the Bible is abortion spoken of by Jesus or anyone else. It is not mentioned at all.
BigMikeMcBastard 10 months ago
@cadrolls I'm not religious, actually.
The fact that when the bible was written it wasn't considered killing to have an abortion, and that Jesus never once spoke out against abortion, make the Christian crusading against abortion these days something of an anomaly.
BigMikeMcBastard 10 months ago
I remember this day so fondly, woke up and saw this and it warmed my heart. No more babies would die by the hand of this psychopath.
1776iscoming 10 months ago
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@cadrolls I'm not going to bother answering this question, because it has nothing to do with my post. You said, "If you kept your zipper up and she kept her legs CLOSED, there would be no 'suffering'", and so I responded. Now, before we continue to debate, do you believe that the murder of this abortion doctor is justified?
UncleFred34 11 months ago
Everyone has to decide what organisms are worthy of being protected. I suspect it largely comes down to emotion.
Thus, I find it is difficult to debate abortion without ending up in an emotional stalemate.
And the portions of the population who do or do not support abortion are irrelevant to the debate.
JesseLH88 1 year ago
The needs of suffering of the woman? If you kept your zipper up and she kept her legs CLOSED, there would be no "suffering". I've got news for you, the latest poll showed that 51% of ALL Americans are now FIRMLY against abortion and the arrow showing support to pro-life growing at a fast rate. In the end, we WILLl win. It is impossible that we will lose at this point. Your days of showing indifference to the killing of an innocent child is FAST coming to an end. It is about time too.
cadrolls1 1 year ago 37
@cadrolls1 Are you such a moron that you have never heard of coerced rape?
UncleFred34 11 months ago
@cadrolls1 AMEN!!!!!
mikewarmblood 11 months ago 2
@cadrolls1 AMEN!!!!!
mikewarmblood 11 months ago 2
@cadrolls1 Abortion access is necessary for a free society. You can do your rallies and hold up your gross posters and pray in public, but abortion access is here to stay. The creation of new people must be a conscious planned decision, not left up to the whims of nature (or as you call it god). You can't value a nonviable parasite as superior or even equal to the woman it inhabits, that is SICK. You want a theocracy, go to Iraq. Otherwise, work to help the suffering children already here.
gingerbreadcorpses 10 months ago
Most people seem to forget that most abortions happen after the age of most premature baby births. Why is that so important? Because we have ALL seen how premature babies react to the voices of their Mothers. We have ALL seen how they smile when their Mothers talk in parentease. We have ALL seen how they reach out and grasp their Mother's hand with their tiny little fingers. Don't fall for the abortion lies. It is a BILLION dollar a year industry. A baby killing business.
It must stop.
cadrolls1 1 year ago
@cadrolls1 You have no idea what you're talking about. Late term abortions (>21 weeks) account for approximately 1.5% of all abortions in the US. Most abortions (61.8%) are done within the first nine weeks.
This is what I mean about educating yourself. You believe things that are really the opposite of reality. Even when I told you to learn something about this subject, I bet you didn't even bother doing a two-second search for some actual data. There are lives at stake. Don't be so stupid.
BigMikeMcBastard 1 year ago
@BigMikeMcBastard "There are lives at stake. Don't be so stupid." Are you admitting that an unborn fetus is a life?
cadrolls1 1 year ago
@cadrolls1 I'm telling you that the #1 cause of death amongst women of reproductive age prior to Roe v. Wade in the US was botched abortions. And it's the ignorance of voters like you that stands to one day bring an end to safe, legal abortions for women who require them.
BigMikeMcBastard 1 year ago
@BigMikeMcBastard Let me get this right. You are trying to get me to have sympathy for a girl who tries to kill her unborn baby and accidentally kills herself? If a man were to shove a coathanger up his rectum because he had constipation and accidentally injured himself, he would be held for psychiatric evaluation before being released from the hospital. What you are saying is this: A baby human being is worth LESS than a piece of shit.
Well, I don't agree.
No one should!
cadrolls1 1 year ago 38
@cadrolls1 Your indifference toward the needs and suffering of woman is pretty revolting, and your lack of any comprehension of the situation is pretty pathetic. I can only hope for the US's sake that people like you never get any real decision-making power.
BigMikeMcBastard 1 year ago
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cadrolls1 1 year ago
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@cadrolls1 If you actually think your fantasy is what the real world's like you need to stop watching Fox "News".
ihaterobbie123 1 year ago
@ihaterobbie123 As I've written, the majority of ALL Americans are SOLIDLY against abortion. Over 90% of ALL highschool students are against abortion too. Unless you have a problem with simple arithmatic, then you will have no choice but to conclude that abortion WILL cease, someday, to be legal.
cadrolls1 1 year ago 7
@cadrolls1 It's quite obvious you're thumbing up your own comments on other accounts or asking other people to as "evidence" that the country is against abortion, but that's not what I'm talking about.
CBS has polled this issue since 2003 and has shown that around 75% of Americans think abortion should be legal MoE +/- 3.0. The VCULSS put it at 80% in the later half of 2010 with an MoE +/- 3.7.
Now before you show me some poll taken in your local church, try to invalidate these findings.
ihaterobbie123 1 year ago
@ihaterobbie123 In the latest poll done two weeks ago, 51% of ALL Americans said they are AGAINST abortion. It went on to indicate that about 90% of all highschool students are now against it too. By the way, you can only thumb up on your own comment once, I believe. The survey wasn't taken at a church. I am a non-believer so it wouldn't have motivated me anyway. This poll was done by NBC nightly national news shown on channel 8 here in Connecticut.
cadrolls1 1 year ago 4
@cadrolls1 So your one poll invalidates the numerous polls I've mentioned?
By the way, the CBS polls I referred to numbered in the tens the earliest in spring 03 and the latest in mid December 2010.
Not only that, but if you look at the stark contrast between high school KIDS and university/college STUDENTS on this issue you'd find that they are polar opposites.
And no, 51% are most likely against the broad practice for "any reason" which I have mixed views on.
ihaterobbie123 1 year ago
@ihaterobbie123 Well, my poll was the newest. Can you cite the source that indicates that college students have a different view on abortion?
cadrolls1 1 year ago 6
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@cadrolls1 gallup (DOT) com/poll/127559/education-trumps-gender-predicting-support-abortion.aspx
And your poll being the newest by half a month means nothing, national support for an issue does not diminish by 33% in half a month, the world doesn't work that way.
ihaterobbie123 1 year ago
@ihaterobbie123 It did with NBC News. I will go by them, thank you very much.
cadrolls1 1 year ago 8
@cadrolls1 an unborn fetus is not sentient.therefore it is not human per say as you or I.If we use your analogy then algea and baterias that cause plagues etc shouldnt be eradicated because they aare alive as well.I oppose abortion except where the mother may die during child birth or the fetus is conceived through rape.that said,a woman,contrary to what a 2000 year old book of fairytales says is not inferior to a man and can make her own decisions regarding her body.
ranchai100 4 months ago
@cadrolls1 an unborn fetus is not sentient.therefore it is not human per say as you or I.If we use your analogy then algea and baterias that cause plagues etc shouldnt be eradicated because they aare alive as well.I oppose abortion except where the mother may die during child birth or the fetus is conceived through rape.that said,a woman,contrary to what a 2000 year old book of fairytales says is not inferior to a man and can make her own decisions regarding her body.
ranchai100 4 months ago
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If you're still having doubts about where the American Holocaust's name came from you can research Margaret Sanger (founder of Planned Parenthood) and her beliefs in eugenics (what (S)Hitler believed in) and how she wanted to rid the world of the Black race. It's working too! Black women have 3 times the abortion rate of White women. Lila Rose went undercover to expose Planned Parenthood's racial targeting. "This is not liberation. This is elimination."
cadrolls1 1 year ago
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cadrolls1 1 year ago
If anyone knows where the two men who killed the child killing Doctor are located, within the prison system, please let me know so I can send them some money.
Thank you.
cadrolls1 1 year ago
Let's take a break from debating and just agree on this: He didn't deserve to die.
If you really think he did, then that's condracting all your "Killing is BAD" beliefs.
HaloSpartanG13 1 year ago
@HaloSpartanG13 Christians don't actually believe killing is bad, and they never had. They'll say "killing is bad" all day until they see someone they disagree with strongly enough. Then they're baying for blood. The Crusades, Inquisition, and now home-grown US terrorists murdering their own doctors. And to think these people are the same ones who balk at mosques being built near Ground Zero. But I guess terrorists are alright as long as they're Christians too.
BigMikeMcBastard 1 year ago
hey scott, "nice shot man".
Shargrailar 1 year ago
Watch the Movie "Lake Of Fire" on my channel
AJOAndre2 1 year ago
Look folks - you don't understand the first thing about this - There are laws on the books in some states called "the make my day law" , which basically means you are allowed to use deadly force to stop someone from injuring another (any way you can) - I know you are going to say - But Tiller was not "in the act" , but I ask you - How the heck was anyone supposed to stop this murderer if he was riding to work in an armored car and had personal guards. More to follow...
kqxzpdq 1 year ago
@kqxzpdq The courts have made up their mind on this with Roe v. Wade. If you disagree, get political and try to change the state of thinking. When people like Scott Roeder murder others in order to intimidate people and stop actions they believe ought to be stopped, they're literally no different than the guys who flew planes into buildings on 9/11. And you people who cheer him on are those people in Libya and elsewhere who burned US flags and cheered in the streets after the fact.
BigMikeMcBastard 1 year ago
tiller mocked God- and that was no church; no church would allow a baby killer in their midst
Jesus said, "Millstone".
BAFRIENDINC2 1 year ago
@BAFRIENDINC2 Interestingly, Jesus didn't have any objections to abortion. It's actually a relatively recent thing, abortion being seen as a bad thing by Christians.
BigMikeMcBastard 1 year ago
@BigMikeMcBastard I was always under the impression that the commandment: "Thou shalt not kill" covered abortions. After all, it IS killing.
cadrolls1 1 year ago
@cadrolls1 It's obviously not clearly killing. Humans don't care about life, they care about "human life", but only if it meets certain requirements. You can pretend as if all life is sacred, but then, you can probably think of some people living or dead who you might feel justified in killing as it would have prevented the deaths of millions. Besides, the Christian God commanded his adherents to kill entire societies of people. Since when is not killing something that God takes seriously?
BigMikeMcBastard 1 year ago
@BigMikeMcBastard Personally, I am a non-believer. Like I have written elsewhere though, if a Police Officer spotted a woman stabbing her child, the Officer has every right to use deadly force to stop her in an attempt to halt her actions. Likewise, people have EVERY right to try and prevent a child from being tortured to death by a child murderer dressed like a Doctor, as far as I am concerned.
Don't reply. It would be a waste of time for both of us.
cadrolls1 1 year ago
@cadrolls1 You cite one of the Ten Commandments of Christians, and then you say you're a non-believer. That's interesting.
Anyway, your grasp of the situation is as weak as your analogy of it. I hope for your sake you actually decide at some point to develop an understanding of abortion and the issues surrounding it, if not for your own sake as a supposedly thinking human being (something a fetus is not, by the way) but for the women who depend on legal abortions for their health.
BigMikeMcBastard 1 year ago
@BigMikeMcBastard You're the one who brought religion into it. According to a new poll, more Americans are against abortion now in this country than at any other time since the 1960s. It indicated that the arrow showing anti-abotion sentiment is continual. That means that, eventually, abortion will be illegal again. It IS only a matter of time too. There is no way that support for abortion will EVER grow again. Too many people know now what happens during an abortion. It is UNACCEPTABLE .
cadrolls1 1 year ago
@cadrolls1 More to the point though, there is nothing different between an embryo of a few days old compared with an equal number of skin cells. Skin cells are alive, they're human, they grow, and using cloning techniques they could be used to create a human (thus 'potential life'). And yet you don't condemn people for scratching their arm, do you?
But anyway, outlawing abortion doesn't stop abortions, it only creates a black market for them. Killing doctors is also a pretty sick answer.
BigMikeMcBastard 1 year ago
@BigMikeMcBastard I don't believe in cloning people because it shortens the person's lifespan SUBSTANCIALLY, almost by half. You wrote: "But anyway, outlawing abortion doesn't stop abortions, it only creates a black market for them." When abortion was illegal, it was estimated that between 6,000-20,000 illegal abortions occurred anually here in the U.S.A. After abortion was legalized, that number shot up to more than 1.3 MILLION. Fewer babies being tortured to death suits me just FINE!
cadrolls1 1 year ago
@BigMikeMcBastard Why don't you keep your fucking zipper pulled UP and you wouldn't need to be so concerned in the first place?
cadrolls1 1 year ago 2
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hey troll sorry for just now getting back to you but i just now only read your message
interestingly but not surprisingly- you are wrong and stupid
Jesus used as a synonym for hell the name 'gehenna'- which in fact is a valley near juruealem where the prostitutes went to have their abortions- no, abortion is not a recent thing and Jesus was aware of it
BAFRIENDINC2 10 months ago 2
@BAFRIENDINC2 Gehenna is in the Old Testament and is part of Judaism. It also has nothing to do with abortions. Abortion was commonplace back then, as it is now. If Jesus cared about it at all he'd have said something significant about it, wouldn't he? And yet, not a peep. It's only in the last couple hundred years that Christians squeezed their own meaning out of the bible to make abortion something that mattered to Jesus when clearly it did not.
Although, Christianity has strayed so far...
BigMikeMcBastard 10 months ago
im soo happy that Tiller is dead, people like him deserve to die
oscar101283 1 year ago
god does not exist all you people need some other channels for your repressed anger! hopefully someone goes and shoots someone you know and then justifies it with some rhetoric like i read on this page. Funny how christians pretend to know what their so called god wants..
4149stonepony 1 year ago
Pardon Scott Roeder!
TheFlanker35 1 year ago
You people are hillarious!!!! Take your "holier-than-thou" act and shove it up your ass. You are probably sitting at home right now jerking off to kiddie porn. Keep your beliefs out of my life. Grow the fuck up. Seriously? If your mom was gang raped im sure you would have a different viewpoint. Convenient, huh? LMFAO
djusel 1 year ago 2
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TheFlanker35 1 year ago
@djusel,
Late term abortions have nothing to do with that so you're an idiot. This is just a case of a child murderer getting his just desserts unlike other child murderers that are still on the loose like China Arnold.
TheFlanker35 1 year ago
I am happy for what happened to him. Hopefully he's facing god at this time and fealing shameful in front of Gods eyes. What is this country coming too? The person that killed the DR. gets arrested. The DR. who killed unborn children gets respect. Fuck you all for allowing abortions and hope you all get to face God in that judgement day. Who the fuck told bitches to open their fucking legs and get pregnant? Fuck you killers. What are we now, the new Germany? Hitler Country? Fuck abortionists.
elnenericodepr 1 year ago
A good father a good human does not kill babies .20 weeks is a real human being.Don't white people know how many pople want to adopt white babies. Being a minority means there arefewer desirable "colored " infants but the issue is much larger than this.Humans dont kill animals or humans.If u have ever seen the cows and pigs butchered too crazy to understand since animalseat in terrible ways too.This world is unconscionable. godisevil
lovesGenet 1 year ago
What kind of idiot murders someone for murdering?
Murder is murder, this fool has only lowered himself to the same level.
But Tiller isn't fit to enter a Church, if he tried to enter my Church I would throw him out.
Trustisaliability 1 year ago
@Trustisaliability It's a fake controversy in my opinion. Killing somebody because they're an abortion doctor, or whatever reason, is all the same. Hate Crimes are a joke and nothing but political pandering. Basically: their is no such thing as a "Hate Crime." It's all killing and the reason doesn't matter.
Zachw2007 1 year ago
@Zachw2007,
Tiller was killing babies just the same.
TheFlanker35 1 year ago
At 6:36 the journalist calls it a "slaying", it was exactly that, the slaying of a monster.
Fred111000 1 year ago
Fuck George Tiller's family. George Tiller needs to be remembered for the murdering of over 50,000 innocent defenseless babies
fasteddie847 1 year ago
George Tiller the baby killer got exactley what he deserved. I have no sympathy for him or his family. Tiller the baby killer murdered over 50,000 innocent babies. Scott Roeder is a hero and should be awarded the medal of honor for removing a scum sucking piece of baby killing monkey shit from our streets
fasteddie847 1 year ago
george tiller was a monster I wish we could see him in Hell that would be awesome! God Bless you Scott Roeder!
thejizzman99 1 year ago
somebody should shoot that person in the leg who failed to kill this fucker the first time, WHEN YOU DO SOMETHING MAKE SURE YOU GET IT RIGHT THEFIRST TIME, GEORGE TILLER GOT WHAT HE DESERVED!!!!!!!!!!!
ThirdNUnion 1 year ago
How can a church, who suppose to promote the will of God allow a murderer to be a member. Do they read the bible at all?
cuggyuggy 1 year ago
@cuggyuggy i agree with you on that one its a false teacher
ThirdNUnion 1 year ago
@cuggyuggy It's all about the money my friend. Tiller probably donated heavily to his church. He made over a million dollars a year. If you give enough money to any church they'll let you in
fasteddie847 1 year ago
A child inside the womb is no different than a child outside the womb; they are our future teachers, mothers, fathers, clergymen, politicians, and holy ones. But theyll never get the chance to see the light of day because of the satanic idea of a womans right to choose.
cuggyuggy 1 year ago
@cuggyuggy hold on hold on how can you mix religion and politics in the comment, aborted babies are our future doctors, disease cure finders
ThirdNUnion 1 year ago
Genesis 9:6 "Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed; for in the image of God has God made man.
cuggyuggy 1 year ago
@cuggyuggy Translation: Thou shalt not murder and that a person should not murder another because he is destroying someone made in Gods image.
The creation of man in Gods image is linked with the sixth commandment of the Ten Commandments even though it was made clear that was a sin to murder a man even before the giving of those commandments.
Gen.4:9-15;23,24
ChicagoJoe57 1 year ago
Ignorance is bliss...
Mdanae 1 year ago
Ignorance is bliss...
Mdanae 1 year ago
Tiller the man who slit baby skulls open to suck out the brains to kill the child is painted as a hero and family man on CNN.
nomopoly 1 year ago
I like how they keep saying he is a family man...that's just insulting.
I also like how Tiller arbitrarily determines when a baby has a right to life...based on natural survival. Well guess what Tiller...even AFTER birth a baby cannot survive on it's own...wow what a complete idiot.
nomopoly 1 year ago
Tiller's murder was blasted all over liberal media and is still being blasted like crazy but notice how these same groups haven't spoken a word about a famous anti-abortion activist that was murdered shortly after what happened to Tiller. Oh you didn't know this? Of course not. This doesn't fit liberal media's agenda.
nomopoly 1 year ago
Dont decalare him brave because he is dead. No person deserves what happened to tiller. And no baby deserves what tiller did to them.
wccira 1 year ago
Tiller was a brave man that provided a legal and important job for women that suffered from medical problems and things like incest and rape. Scott Roeder is justly in jail now. CNN certainly didn't get this story right.
tombeardman 1 year ago
At one time, SLAVERY was legal in this country. It wasn't right, but it was legal. Helping slaves escape to canada was illegal. It was illegal, but the right thing nonetheless. Similarly, Abortion is legal, but it's morally wrong. Killing an abortionist may be illegal, but it's justified in that it stops the attrocities against the innocent unborn.
Timbrock1000 1 year ago 2
how is abortion morally wrong? what this guy did is morally wrong. second trimester abortions are so fucked up. but first trimester is perfectly fine. lets say you had a sister. and that sister got raped and she is now pregnant. your saying you would make your sister feel guilty and call her morally unjust? or lets say your kid has a mental problem the doctors said your kid will never ever live a healthy live what would you do? would you MAKE them keep it?
scienceatheism 1 year ago
I can understand your position and viewpoints. I believe abortion is wrong since it terminates an innocent life. As for cases of rape, incest , the mother's life in jeopardy from said pregnancy or other (rare) incidents, these are about the only cases where abortion should be permitted. If I were to have a child with a mental or physical handicap, I don't believe terminating him would be right. (Hitler believed in terminating the handicaped). For unplanned pregnancies, there is adoption.
Timbrock1000 1 year ago
i agree. but let me ask you this. how many kids that are in the system get picked up by a family? how many kids are in the system right now? how many kids get raped and abused in the system? the problem with adoption is that you dont know the out come of that child.
scienceatheism 1 year ago
Of course theres always been child abuse, but the VAST majority of children are adopted by genuine loving fanilies. In fact, I'll tell you about one couple in particular who were unable to concieve and adopted two children. They were excelent parents. I know because I was one of the babies they adopted.
Timbrock1000 1 year ago
vast majority? where does it say that? i looked at the numbers my friend theres more children being forgotten then adopted. a few good stories of children being adopted but most forgotten in the system. and you are the small few. just because your life turned out ok doesnt mean others will.
scienceatheism 1 year ago
get off your high moral horse and look past the bible bullshit. past the other bullshit and look at it from all points of views. and put yourself in that girls postion. research the first trimister and tell me would you consider that baby living? or a fetus growing?
scienceatheism 1 year ago
@Timbrock1000
I agree with you 100 %
kqxzpdq 1 year ago
@deanhoward8 Again I quote "Master, how many times shall I forgive my brother? seven perhaps?" Peter thought this to be a fair number. And Jesus to Peter: "Not seven times, but seventy times seven."
In all truth, Jesus was saying the chances to be forgiven are infinite, not limited to human interpretation. Again, rationalizing Roeder's actions just cannot happen.
AndrewDeLong 2 years ago
And I'm saying that it's not mine to forgive. It is noble to forgive a man who sins against YOU. No one but God and the victim can forgive someone. To say otherwise is irrational. How can you possibly forgive someone for harming someone else?
ajpmathwiz 2 years ago
It is simple. When YOU act out against someone who in no way has harmed you, you make their sin a burden upon you. Once you burden yourself with the anger provided by another person's sin, it then becomes your equal responsibility to forgive that sin. Involvement cannot just be 50%. If you want to involve yourself so deeply into affairs which are not your own, then you should have to reap all of the responsibility that comes with it. If its sin, then forgiveness is that responsibility.
AndrewDeLong 2 years ago
and by your logic, if you need not forgive someone for harming someone else, then you need not care at all.
Still I bring up the point of the mother. It was always the mother's choice to abort. Always. Should Roeder not have shot every single Church going mother as well? By your faulty logic, he very well should have.
AndrewDeLong 2 years ago
@deanhoward8
All I have to say is this. Jesus dies for us all, for the forgiveness of all sins. If you view what Tiller did as sin, then he should have been given the same chance as you or I would have had to repent. That being until the day of his natural death. With Roeder doing what he did, taking away the very chance Christ himself provided....I call that both psychotic and anti-Christian. Depriving a man of the chance to redeem himself. There is no heroism in that.
AndrewDeLong 2 years ago
Try as you might to rationalize murder. You will only prove to me that you are a fanatic, Pseudo Christian who merely uses the bible as a means to justify unjustifiable actions. If God wants a man dead, he provides a natural means. A car accident, a heart attack, cancer, and the like. He does not have a man gun down another in his house. To even begin to try and rationalize that is the beginning of the end of all rational thought.
AndrewDeLong 2 years ago
And Again I say to all the Roeder supporters out there...what of the women who CHOSE to get the abortions? Where are the death threats to them? Where are the guns to their heads at church? Where are their would be judges? If Tiller deserved this (and I don't think he did) then every woman he treated deserves the same fate as well.
Pseudo Christian Fanatics...making the faith hypocritical once again.
AndrewDeLong 2 years ago
Real quick, you are a great troll & all, but you forget the part where Peter the apostle struck dead the husband & wife that tried to deceive while attempting to join the disciples.
Kinda like tiller attending church with blood on his hands.
This was very new testament.
As Christians, we aren't required to roll over for you.
I know I'll get nowhere with this debate, we are all set in stone on our views. Therefore I blocked you & Momsincharge. I'm tired of this popping up on my E-mail.
paulyski 2 years ago
you think me a troll. No, I am not. I'm merely the kind of Christian who is sick and tired of fakes like you memorizing the bible so you can advocate one atrocity or another when it fits with your own personal agenda. Again, you show little in the arena of professionalism. You'd do much better as a salesman, since you have a knack for bullshit.
AndrewDeLong 2 years ago
Still, I love how you advocate murder, when you also seem to be against it. Call yourself a Christian much? No, I see you as a despicable little person who uses the name of Christianity to get by on what he otherwise knows to be wrong. You can advocate the murder of Dr. Tiller all you please. It only convinces me further that you are indeed the Devil in sheep's clothing.
AndrewDeLong 2 years ago
@deanhoward8: You said (then deleted):
" @AndrewDeLong I am pro innocent life, pro innocent life, and doctor tiller was guilty of murder."
Then you are not a Christian, of this much I am now certain.
AndrewDeLong 2 years ago
@deanhoward8: You said then deleted (again):
" @AndrewDeLong God hates sin and as God hates it so should you.
Again it is not to punish Tiller but to prevent Tiller from perfoming abortions. "
I do hate sin. But like God, I can forgive sin as well. If you ignore this fact, then please, don't sully my faith by calling yourself a Christian. Christians know how to forgive even the worst sin. You do not.
Also, stop commenting and then deleting. I'll simply copy from my in box and repost.
AndrewDeLong 2 years ago
so you would forgive a man who finger fucked your 11 year old daughter while she is playing hopscotch during recess? if a man finger fucked 45 children including your daughter you would forgive him??
scienceatheism 1 year ago
@scienceatheism
I would damn well try to forgive the man. Problem is, I have no daughter to speak of, therefore your situation is moot in reference to me. Fact is, I don't even believe in the death penalty, life long incarceration yes, a death sentence, no. So would I have the man put away for the rest of his life, of course. Would I wish him dead? No, absolutely not.
Tis harder to forgive, than to give into anger.
AndrewDeLong 1 year ago
Out of order and liberty taking, needs a proper beating!!!
tanyatmr 2 years ago
I CAN NOT BELIEVE THAT SOME ARE SO ADAMANT ABOUT DEFENDING A MASS CHILD MURDER!
I can understand some woman who is trrying to justify her actions, but what do others have to gain?
Our society is going to shit in part because of the sense of entitlment & selfishness involved in this issue.
Andrew, you type on my profile that scriptures will never sell a point to an intellectual, then you try to use them to sell & defend partial birth abortionists!
I really don't think this is going anywhere.
paulyski 2 years ago
No, I'm simply using the scriptures that you seem to neglect, in light of your own personal attributions toward this matter. You claim is was religiously justified, yet when I can show you a thousand ways it wasn't, you still try to justify it anyway. I am not defending Tiller. If you truly had any thinking power, you could easily see that I was merely crushing your defense of Roeder and his ilk.
AndrewDeLong 2 years ago
If you would instantly forgive a man who killed your child for money & not even think about acting to prevent it you are nothing more or less than a coward & an accomplice. You can't call yourself a man.
A man protects his offspring
paulyski 2 years ago
Did I say forgiveness was instant ? Did I say it was easy? No, I did not. But I do believe it is the best option there is. Violence begets violence. It does not take a man to kill. It takes a coward, to afraid to take the true and righteous road. It takes a person who lacks something within them to pull away from the brink.
Answer this. If you're in a white hot rage, which is easier. Pulling the trigger, or not pulling it, and walking away. A real man can walk away, a coward will not.
AndrewDeLong 2 years ago
Furthermore, if you are a hard line Christian as you claim to be, the derivative of that word being Christ....would you not follow the doctrine of forgiveness above all else. and I quote "Master, how many times shall I forgive my brother" And Jesus answered to Peter: "Seventy times seven."
For a hard line Christian, you certainly fall short of one of the greater wisdom's provided by that book you follow so closely.
AndrewDeLong 2 years ago
Tiller killed more than 70 times 7 children.
I would argue that it takes more courage to throw ones life away for his belief also.
There a re some you forgive when they repent for the wrongs they've done, the man we speak of was without repentance.
It says a lot about how far our country has degenarated, when one must defend his posission on stopping a guy that kills children who are older than many premature babies that live productive lives.
& you doubt MY motives?
You are one sick fuck.
paulyski 2 years ago
Again, you miss the point completely. 70 times 7 was not a literal number. When Peter asked that question of Jesus, Peter first suggested that he forgive his brother 7 times only. What Jesus was really saying is that the amount of times one should forgive is truly without limit. If my exemplification of how you fail to practice your own faith makes you this angry....you might want to question how strong your faith really was in the first place. Yes, I doubt your motives 100%!
AndrewDeLong 2 years ago
Good for you brother....
Kill your kids.
Call it your faith.
We'll see who's right in a few years I feel.
Hope I see you there.
The word of the Lord has never, nor will ever change.
If you disagree with that, well good luck Kiddo...
I think I'll go argue with a stoplight now.
paulyski 2 years ago
Suit yourself. People usually shy away from a debate they know they were never meant to win anyway. If you cannot hold onto the greatest tenant of the CHRISTian faith...forgiveness....then you should seriously consider abandoning it altogether. I would not one such as yourself poisoning it anyway, with your vengeance filled motives.
I'm sure the stoplight will feel the same way, given the argumentative points you have to offer up.
AndrewDeLong 2 years ago
Only the victim can forgive an offense. The victims are God and those being murdered. No one else has business forgiving Tiller.
ajpmathwiz 2 years ago
So if no one else has business forgiving Tiller, then no one else has business WITH Tiller. It works both ways kid. If someone is offended and hurt...or in this case angered by another's actions then indeed, they have business forgiving the person as well.
Sorry, but you can't have one and exclude the other. Where's the logic in that? Nowhere.
AndrewDeLong 2 years ago
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paulyski 2 years ago
the only person who has ever made an intelligent debate against abortion was mother Teressa.
Super0Desu 2 years ago
JUST GREAT!!!
A FEMALE TROLL PULLING UP 6 MONTH OLD TOPICS TO TRY TO MAKE HERSELF FEEL BETTER ABOUT BEING THE CHILD KILLER SHE IS.
MOMSINCHARGE, HOW MANY OF YOUR KIDS BROTHERS & SISTERS DID YOU HAVE MURDERED?
You are another piece of shit with nothing more important to do than attempt to validate your VILE actions, because you know what you have done is despicable in the eyes of the Lord.
Check yourself woman.
Before someone checks you out.
paulyski 2 years ago
You really need psyciatric help.
Momsincharge 2 years ago
RE: You really need psyciatric help.
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Kinda funny...
That's what I do for a living. ;-)
But when I get home, that hat comes off.
I get to listen to ALL the vile crap people do & have to sit non-judgmentally... It's kinda hard.
Not too many people work better with sociopaths than myself.
paulyski 2 years ago
RE: Kinda funny...
That's what I do for a living. ;-)
Outrageous liar!
Momsincharge 2 years ago
RE: Momsincharge....
I'm not about to tell you what Behavioral Health Sciences, Acute Inpatient Psychiatric unit I work at, but I assure you, I'm not lying.
We all have hats that we put on for work & take off when we leave.
I just so happen to deal with homicidal schizophrenics & other volatile types of disorders VERY well.
I keep my P.C. hat on at work.
But trust me, I'm a hard line Christian fundamentalist, but I'm your best friend in times of crisis. ;-)
paulyski 2 years ago
Momsincharge, May I ask how many of your unborn children You've killed?
Your ramblings show that you have little idea of the fundamentals of the faith you claim to follow.
You are yet another liberal sheep profaning the name of the Lord in an attempt to validate your perversion of the faith.
Sure as your head is up your ass, tiller is burning in hell. & rightly so.
You've likely been to my profile page... I am scary, huh?
But she aborted the kid, because she had a drug issue & chose the drugs.
paulyski 2 years ago
As you've admitted Killing kids by saying :
"It's obvious that you don't know much about life or making hard decisions"
Well, I would perpetuate that it isn't a very HARD decision to have your child legally murdered rather than raise him or her.
You're just another baby killing douchebag attempting to defend your indefensible decision to kill your unborne.... Good luck with that.
God knows what's in your heart, He is a merciful God... But to those who repent.
You should work on repentance.
paulyski 2 years ago
@paulyski Untrue and Sick. No wonder women shun you.
Momsincharge 2 years ago
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RE: @paulyski Untrue and Sick. No wonder women shun you.
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Not true, however after being with many new aged deviants with your views, I have found what to look for & avoid.
I'm doing rather well with a real woman who doesn't believe in killing her kids now.
paulyski 2 years ago
Then we need to try George Bush for the murder of thousands.
Momsincharge 2 years ago
Who are you to judge that these abortions were not necessary to save the woman's life?
Momsincharge 2 years ago
I defer to Ron Paul, an OBGYN who has delivered over 4000 babies and never once has he seen a case where an abortion was ever medically necessary.
ajpmathwiz 2 years ago
What does that make George Bush and his phony call for the Iraq war?
People who walk around are human beings. Babies in the womb are POTENTIAL human beings. They have to survive the birthing process first. If their mother dies before this can happen, two die, not one.
Momsincharge 2 years ago
So now your dehumanizing people in wheelchairs.
ajpmathwiz 2 years ago
Didn't you intend to state "So now you are dehumanizing people in wheelchairs"?
Obviously your reading comprehension skills suffer as much as your ability to reason and use logic.
Momsincharge 2 years ago
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Didn't you intend to state "So now you are dehumanizing people in wheelchairs"?
Obviously your reading comprehension skills suffer as much as your ability to reason and use logic.
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Momsincharge,
You do realize that resorting to correcting others grammar & spelling is the first sign that you know your point is mute & you're scrambling.
You operate off of emotion, I & others & myself choose logic & faith...
We'll see in the coming years who has it right.
paulyski 2 years ago
@Paulyski, she was UNDERAGE and you took advantage of her. She was afraid of you and from all of your remarks she was justified in that opinion.
Momsincharge 2 years ago
RE: @Paulyski, she was UNDERAGE and you took advantage of her. She was afraid of you and from all of your remarks she was justified in that opinion.
In many states sex with an underage girl is called stautory rape.
I was 20, she was 17 with a child, & you are one twisted bitch for thinking that constitutes rape.
Please feel free to comment on my gruff mannerisms & warlike speech.
The weak like yourself will never understand, or accept the warrior until you need him to protect you.
paulyski 2 years ago
How dare anyone murder someone in a Church. Churches are supposed to be safe havens. In the middle ages they offered santuary to many.
This Doctor saved many women's lives.
You don't have the credentials to make a judgement on health issues.
Tiller was a healer. Go get therapy and heal yourself.
Momsincharge 2 years ago
Sorry, I up voted you based on the 'churches are sanctuaries for sinners' bit. I didn't realize you were going on to call a mass murderer a healer. Tiller was no more a healer than Nazi doctors who used "undesirables" for experiments were.
ajpmathwiz 2 years ago
Maybe when you grow up and get over the anger you have against women you will understand a few things such as the only person's behaviour you are responsible for is yourself.
ChicagoJoe57 has his act together, kid.
Momsincharge 2 years ago
Don't patronize me. I have no anger against women; I have anger against the idolaters defiling this land with bloodshed.
ajpmathwiz 2 years ago