Wow, he even got his first stall warning the INSTANT that his nose wheel left the ground.. the main gear hadnt even gotten airborne yet when he tried to take off... Im not even an experienced pilot, but that situation right there would have had me say to myself "WTF" and do an assessment of surface controls, INCLUDING flaps. I dont pretend to know much at all, and I dont have a license, but I do have a couple hundred hours in the air with experienced pilots and was a memeber of the EAA .
With 4 adults in a 172, you're already slightly overweight. Combined with taking off with full flaps there was no chance. Pilot fail, that's all there is to it.
this wasnt just pilot error in that he took off with full flaps, he must have also been way oberweight also he had a whole field where he couldve aborted and made an emergancy landing
@artistgmg - The flap switch in older model Cessna's is spring loaded and returns to the neutral position after you depress it to lower flaps, unlike the new switches which stay in the down position. The small gauge to the right of the flap handle indicates flap position and in this case indicates that the flaps are fully extended.
@FSEVENMAN If we are idiots then how come 1) the flap lever is not all the way down like the description claims was one of the pilot's mistakes (you can see the flap lever at :07) and 2) Why doesn't the video show the plane crashing? I'll tell you why, because putting "crash" in the title generates a lot more hits.
Ok, I don't know if this plane actually crashed BUT, for one thing that is not a 172 cockpit. Its a 152, and you can clearly see that the flap lever is all the way UP at 00:07, not down. My guess is that the pilot forgot to set the flaps and after hearing the stall horn he lowered them to where they should be and the flight went on uneventfully.
@artistgmg: Yes, looks like a 152 and the flaps are up on T/O but then why would he want to lower them if his wings are stalling? Would not lowering the flaps slow down his speed and actually reduce lift in this case? I'm not a pilot.
@artistgmg Not sure. just giving other possibilities why it is not climbing. I've seen a lot of hobbyist overload light aircraft. and if it was a 150, it is not a procedure to takeoff with flaps like in the 172 or piper of sorts.
That was frustrating to watch, didn't seem like full power either.
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hmm seems wierd,,,seemed it never got any speed going,, u can take off below stall speed n fly if u stay in the ground effect.. seems it never gained any speed thou,, he flew way long enuff to get more airspeed,,, motor might have been crapping out ,, hope all were ok
half joking and all....honestly....I would prefer if planes flew at this height. I mean even if somethign goes wrong, there is some sense you arent that far up.
@glennjridge Only half joking? There is an old saying in aviation: Speed is life, altitude is life insurance. If there is something wrong down on the deck, you have not a hell of a lot seconds to recover whatever gets wrong. Time is crucial while finishing the emergency checklists.
@glennjridge it's not the altitude that kills people in planecrashes, but rather the speed on impact. Any pilot knows that getting an engine failure at 30.000 feet is way less dangerous than at 200 feet.
At 6 sec. into the video you can see the full flaps on the indicator at 40 degrees. I have the same 172D model, I would have a difficult time SOLO climbing with a dirty wing like that. Full fuel, 4 people you are MAX weight and probably over! Later models only have 30 degree max just for that reason. Checklist Checklist Checklist!!!
Seems to me I remember seeing a safety poster during my Air National Guard days. It said, "Checklist, Checklist, Checklist, Checklist, Checklist, Checklist, MAKE DAMN SURE, Checklist, Checklist."
he problably shouldn't have made the decision to continue his take off after the stall warning, but even before that, he should have calculated his weight and balance properly in comparison to the wind..
Ignorance with passengers on board is unacceptable, It's one thing to risk your own neck out in a desert somewhere but people on board, people in the houses below, what a moron.
pilot went between 5,000 and 6,000 feet down the runway before rotating! Pull power, there was at least 2,000 feet of runway left at the actual rotation. (Watch the 1,000-foot signs on the right, they indicate number of thousands of feet of runway remaining.) Accident Chain: flaps down on pre-flight, after engine start and before take off checklist not followed, abort takeoff procedures not followed. This gives the rest of us a bad name. Use your checklists!!
Sounded like he had full power, does look like a hot summer day (density alt high maybe), not leaned to get full RPM, over gross. I guess he thought that once he got it off the ground, maybe it'd start climbing.
When I first watched I didn't know about the flap issue, and I was like "holy.... how is this possible? The engine sounds like full power"
then I read the bit about the flaps, that's just bad flying. I got my license on the 152, with only 30 degree flaps, and the 172 I fly now always surprised me with how much of a difference 10 degrees is, I can't even imagine how this is possible other than just not paying attention. I wouldn't put full flaps unless I needed it to make the runway.
look at the lower right of the dash. He has full flaps on takeoff. That is what a checklist is for. It has nothing to do with power. He has a dirty wing and will never overpower the flaps like that.
This is why you put flaps up when you land, after your pre-flight, AND during the checklist.
They are lucky to be alive.
Plus, unless he was carry a couple of 400-lb fat chicks, he should have known his speed was not increasing anywhere near as fast as it should and aborted the takeoff.
@HuskyMaxx You can take off with full flaps, my instructor did it with me once as an exercise. Believe it or not, there isn't actually anything wrong with having FE on take off. You should never go above Vfe in a 172 on takeoff...
@lardman2228 yea you can make it but is not a good idea because flaps increase the drag and in the takeoff roll you want to gain speed fast you dont need drag, it gives you more lift but the roll of a 172 is very short. And the poh buddy dont recommend taking of whit more than 10 so maybe in a very short field use 20 or use 30 whit your instructor but dont take off whit more than 10 when you are whit 3 passengers.
@mariodela Please please please do not make the mistake of thinking flaps increase drag as a primary. The function of the flaps is to increase lift, the bi-product of lift is drag and this is how it works. Sure the manual may not say to take of with more than 10, but it doesn't mean you can't. I imagine his mistake was that he did not know the procedures to take off with full flaps and therefore cocked up you can do almost anything in a plane, you just need to know the procedures.
@HuskyMaxx You're right! It's been 20+ years since I have flown a 172 and I can't remember the flaps setting, but I do remember that 40 degrees made it glide like a brick.
@jjaus You're right, sir. At :06 to :07, you can see the flap position indicator (round gauge) under the right yoke showing 40 degree flap deflection. I've never heard of intentionally taking off a 172 with more than 25 degrees flaps. With 40 degrees flaps, the 172 flies like its dragging a giant heavy anchor.
@HuskyMaxx You're right! It's been 20+ years since I have flown a 172 and I can't remember the flaps setting, but I do remember that 40 degrees made it glide like a brick.
@HuskyMaxx Being a mechanic Im with you!!! Its just like landing with full flaps and the gear is not down. Thats exactly why you will always belly it in.....yes in the small ones we use flaps for cruvature but we also, on landing, use them to STALL THE WING....its funny how they think they can power out of a full flap stall whether the gear is down or not....lolol
8 29 1. A C172 stalled and hit a house in Santa Monica CA. He went around and full stalled/spun. Gooogle it.
Chanel 7 Video of pilot been saved by a house painter that got hit by plane part himself. After he almost got killed by the pilot, he saved him from the fire. Incredible.
0:06 the gauge below and left of right yoke stem shows full flaps down, 40 degrees. Max takeoff flaps is 20. This is an older 172, newer ones only go to 30. Stall warning horn should've been a clue something was wrong.
Please correct me if I'm wrong but I have never heard of a full flaps takeoff. 10 degrees or 1 notch (depending on the plane) is the most I ever needed. By the time you've got full flaps in, your just adding more drag w/out getting much more of a lift benefit. Bad Idea for takeoff
The photos showed flaps at 40 degrees and with a hot day and full of fuel, it was an impossible task. msl was not much of a factor because altimeter showed 950. My only other thought was just a wonder, that he might have used 40 degrees in an emergency attempt to stop before hitting the trees. You can not possibly get into a 172 without noticing flaps at 40 degrees.As for the other comments, yes the stall warning horn was an immediate no go for the flight. There was plenty of runway left.
in French this is named a take of in "second regime" (drag=power, no climb possible)
To avoyd this, a airplane must reach enough speed before rotation (if not= abort) and after take off, not directly climb, but take a acceleration at constant altitude...
@oiseautempete It is also called a Drag Flaps take off. Most pilots in USA are not taught this kind of take off roll and Rejected Take Off on it, hence this kind of accident keeps happening. If the pilot knew Go Arounds From The Landing Flare as the before solo reg's were, he could have recogniced the high drag situation and raiced flaps to 20 then slowly to 10 degrees. Many CFI's consider that maneuver too hard for them.They rather teach high go arounds, which are easier and no error noted.
@oiseautempete Agreed, In most Europe and most other countries, Go arounds from the landing flare are required before solo with landing flaps on it, not water down Go Arounds to comfort the CFI like in USA now. I taught this maneuver with 4 on board and 40 flaps on old C-172's and knowing them saved my skin more than once. Just push nose down, level off, fly MCA low, flaps 20 quick, accelerate to Vx, while flaps to Vx. Too difficult for you? Sorry for your fragile nerves, go fly Radio Control.
In other words, Lazy Fat Cats crooks due they couldn't do those hard maneuvers they lobbied the other Lazy Fat Cats in the USA FAA to delete Forced Landings on Take Off from all Part 91 training plus Go Arounds from the landing flare, the most important maneuvers to know by any pilot. That way they clods could keep their Paper Pilot Licenses. Most small plane pilots in USA can't do those exercises like they are demanded in Europe and many other countries. USA airline pilots do them on Sim
@jorritje123 In the 1998 Federal Aviation Regulations Part 91 "Revision" The before solo regulations 61.87 e (3) forced landings on take off and in the landing pattern where eliminated.
Go arounds from final and from the landing flare were eliminated too. Guess what is the cause of most serious accidents after that? Low Altitude Stalls on Take Off, Landings and Go Arounds Stalls. Lets eliminate most hardy pilot training and let GA be a "wealthy man only priviledge". Nice plan for GA
@MaxxGladiator good eye, It is hard to believe that there are people out there who try shit like that! Where do they get their training... As much runway as he had, he didn't even need flaps! 10 degrees if it would make you feel better...
Took FAR too much runway, and the engine did not sound at full speed, and I bet the loading was wrong. I would have aborted that takoff. It was obvious the speed was not there.
He couldn't even raise the nose w/0 the stall indicator going on. He hardly got off the ground.
You'd be suprised how many idiot pilots are out there. Unfortuently, it seems if you're rich and can afford a plane and your license that's all that matters. I really have seen my fair share of dumb ass manauvers like this!
@krodenbach 100% right. Many pilots/owners are more into Ownership than Airmanship. They don't want to do any pilot exercises, crash via Pilot Error and give the rest of good pilots a bad name. But why are you smiling at those guys if you know they are just FOS Fake Flyers? If they are reported as bad pilots they will be checkout by FAA. Most pilot error accidents are caused by bad pilots stalling the airplane on take off, landing or Ground Reference Maneuvering.
@CFITOMAHAWK Well, what was Delta Connection Academy, now Aerosim Academy still requires the old Part 91 training, given those who attend are 141 certified (and trained beyond normal standards for 141), not 61. Funny thing was, my Instructor back when I went through the training could never figure out how I managed to get the 172 to defy the laws of physics with each landing, whether standard or forced.
you know i remeber before i had my license i was doing a solo flight and i was supposed to do a short feild takeoff, due to still being a student I accidenetly applied full flaps on takeoff, so when i heard the stall warning horn go off, guess what i did. I PUSHED THE FUCKING NOSE DOWN!!! jesus its common scense!
irresponsible piloting period. engine did not reach full power. takeoff should have been aborted. you shouldn't be rotating at such a slow speed that you hear the stall warning. how did this guy get a licenses?
actually the run-up to 1700 rpm and mag check well before taxeoff should have indicated a problem
@Bateseh that is correct. stall speed is effected by angle of attack. stall speed will increase as angle of attack increases. im a student pilot (when money allows) and i passed my faa written exam with a 88% score last year so i do have some knowledge in flying. you have to have adequate airspeed to allow adequate airflow over the wings at a given angle of attack. in this video he doesn't have adequate power and tries to compensate with angle of attack
@ad356 and it just doesnt work that way. he doesnt have to power necessary to beat gravity and raising the nose only creates the stall and the inevitable crash
error 1: take off with full flaps???? Where the hell did he learn that? error 2:It seems the engine can't reach to max rpm either, 2300rpm is not full power and therefore he should have aborted take off, there was plenty of runway left.
If you make these kind of basic erors you will crash. It's a wonder het got of the ground...
The UK is christian socialistic type, which in dirty terms is communist. I can't believe this pilot didn't respond to the stall alarm going off, but he didn't respond. And if he crashed into a house, then he just wasn't getting enough speed to control his path. What are the odds against hitting a house? My guess is he froze, meaning he was incompetent. He just wasn't modelling attitude, altitude, thrust and lift in his head properly. inadequate sleep and caffeine can be a fatal combination.
Even under MTGW, a take off with full drag flaps (40 deg) is Careless and Reckless operation. unless you are practicing them. I teach them, after a good touch and go and runway over 4k. Also with low weigh and low temp. Never with passengers, even with 10k runway in front.
@MrMalak2k6 He not only had flaps down, he had full flaps down: 40 degrees, old 172. The gauge just below and left of the right yoke panel brace clearly shows 40 degrees' flaps. Never, ever take off with full flaps. 20 degrees maximum.
There is nothing in the POH for a 172P that says to ever use full flaps for takeoff. Short field/rough/soft says 10 degrees if needed, but never full. Is it accurate that this takeoff was done with full flaps?
I flew a Cessna 172 rental once that had long range fuel tanks installed. Full fuel, myself at 180lbs., my mom at 115 lbs., and my aunt who probably weighed in at 160 or so. Sea level conditions. The stall warning never sounded but as soon as we lifted off I could tell we were heavy and I flew it very delicately.
kolbpilot, delicate is the key. despite this pilot's apparent obvious mistakes, he did a fair job nibbling at the stall. would love to see the next few minutes of the incident.
@2ndAsstJizzMopper Agree he did a good job for the situation. Problem is that he couldn't pull back on the yoke any more for that was not going to do him any good. What this pilot needed was another 50 horsepower.
50 horse and a clean set o' shorts. always heard that in a power emergency the alt side of the master switch could be toggled off to increase power a tinge. never tested.
@TaxfreeSVT You are right, Crooked CFI's are the root of evil. bet he was never taught all the take off emergencies. Many USA CFI's just skip them due they cant teach them. That is why he frozed, did a Panic Pull and Panic slip and didn't do a Ground RTO, neither a Vr RTO, neither lifted flaps to 20, then slowly to 10 degrees as handbook says. That is the kind of Crooked Chicken CFI that is killing GA with incomplete training that end up on this so common take off and initial climb stalls.
as soon as the stall warn , came on the first time it was way enough time to put it on the deack and hit the brakes and say sorry folks were too heavy , the heffer will have to walk , why when the stall warning sytem warned him that the plane was to heavy did he still carry on climbing , it baffels me
Good job on the weight and balance... lol. A good pilot would have checked that before takeoff... and a decent pilot who didn't should have put the plane down in one of those fields when the incipient stall was coming about... jesus who gave this guy a certifiate..
A UK pilot crashed this Cessna 172 with 3 passengers but they all survived .) The aircraft was totally wrecked following a stall with full flap on take off from a strip in 34c temps . You can find information on forums.flyer.co.uk
A UK pilot crashed this Cessna 172 with 3 passengers but they all survived .) The aircraft was totally wrecked following a stall with full flap on take off from a strip in 34c temps
172's can barely climb with a student and instructor onboard with full flap, some unlucky pair at Ardmore in NZ had issues with the flap on his 172 where the flap would not retract and ended up doing a whole circuit with full flap. With four people and full tanks, even with flaps up climb performance will be unbelievably shit but with full flap, that is an unavoidable accident waiting to happen
why didnt you push the nose down, STOP CLIMBING, and accelerate in ground effect , I was reading comments that say you had your flaps down and thats why you crashed, well yea you defeanitly would if you kept climibing at the same rate since your off the ground before you reach the Vx and Vy speeds but still, all you would have needed to do was push the nose down and stop climbing, get to those v speeds( like we are taught when we do a soft feild takeoff), and use ground effect
ya how long was that ground roll man, plenty of time to reject a take off.
all the more reason to be telling yourself mentally each time you apply full power that you're going to reject the take off. then, if you get lucky and everything goes well, you can surprise yourself with a nice uneventful take off.
call me stupid but i could feel that was going to end bad before he got airborne! my asshole tightened as i yelled out dude stop, and after the first stall warning what did he think would happen?
Yep, at 0:06 there it is. Right under the passenger control wheel you can see the flap indicator display at 30 degrees. It can happen to anyone but one small checklist for preflights can go a long way in preventing four long checklists of funeral arrangements.
At :53 to :56 you can see he does a Panic Slip to the right. A slip will kill lift. Most right handed panicky pilots do that besides pooping in pants when in trouble.
I teach touch and go's with full flaps take off (40) up to 70 deg. OAT on a 4k runway with 3 stories buildings on both sides of runway. First 2-3 take offs like that I have to push nose down to the runway fence. They have to do same by 5 or 6th take off. Many CFI's can't. They don't have "The Set" to push that nose down.
As a qualified private pilot , this video is nothing that new to me, after reading loads of CHIRPS and AAIB reports.
It was pilot error, not just a single big error , but two or three chained errors that lead to the accident. Firstly the aircraft was close to, or exceeding its MTOW, on its own that will cause a large decrease in flap performance .The aircraft must have had at least flaps 30 set on take off, as the aircraft seems to be only flying on ground effect. Everyone makes mistakes.
@ewandougie cont. Its just not appropriate to accuse the pilot of being old and forgot to do his checklist, there are factors that no one here may know about that lead this to happen. I am only 20 , and a couple of times I have made some mistakes, like once starting the aircraft with the mixture too lean, or forgetting to set the transponder to ALT on takeoff , it seems alot of the posts on here are from people who know little about flying and speak out their backside.
Its just not appropriate to accuse the pilot of being old and forgot to do his checklist, there are factors that no one here may know about that lead this to happen. I am only 20 , and a couple of times I have made some mistakes, like once starting the aircraft with the mixture too lean, or forgetting to set the transponder to ALT on takeoff , it seems alot of the posts on here are from people who know little about flying and speak out their backside.
fucking dumbass
tommys123451 3 hours ago
Wow, he even got his first stall warning the INSTANT that his nose wheel left the ground.. the main gear hadnt even gotten airborne yet when he tried to take off... Im not even an experienced pilot, but that situation right there would have had me say to myself "WTF" and do an assessment of surface controls, INCLUDING flaps. I dont pretend to know much at all, and I dont have a license, but I do have a couple hundred hours in the air with experienced pilots and was a memeber of the EAA .
JLangevin 3 days ago
We never saw it crash! False title!
gary5209 4 days ago
With 4 adults in a 172, you're already slightly overweight. Combined with taking off with full flaps there was no chance. Pilot fail, that's all there is to it.
pdqlm 1 week ago
only an idiot would choose to continue to fly instead of aborting the takeoff. he had plenty of runway (not to mention space) to put his plane down.
If this is fsx no problem. In real life you don't get second chance.
magickayson 1 week ago
this wasnt just pilot error in that he took off with full flaps, he must have also been way oberweight also he had a whole field where he couldve aborted and made an emergancy landing
M11ty 1 week ago
Weights and balances how you foiled me again! Oh yeah, ground effect too.
MrJosholech 1 week ago
He was not airbone 3/4 way down the runway. That is when you quit.
otissumnerbrown 2 weeks ago
he had plenty of runway there to abort the takeoff.
Spanduer90 2 weeks ago
Don't blame the plane! It's not the plane, its the pilot.
Sorry, but its true.
riDDDiculous 2 weeks ago
cessna 172's are high-drag low-power flying tubs anyway
DiamondPilotDan 2 weeks ago
@artistgmg - The flap switch in older model Cessna's is spring loaded and returns to the neutral position after you depress it to lower flaps, unlike the new switches which stay in the down position. The small gauge to the right of the flap handle indicates flap position and in this case indicates that the flaps are fully extended.
Bubbajo4378000 2 weeks ago
He reduced the props and flaps...WHY???
FrapsYou 2 weeks ago
SHIT OF PILOT ! DOING STALL WHILE TAKING OFF WITH FULL FLAPS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
david230196 3 weeks ago
Sounds like he's got a vw behind him in a hurry and on the horn!!!!
aardvark243 3 weeks ago
How can this be the last minute when it is part 1 of 2 and both videos are 3 minutes long total?
grendelroy 3 weeks ago
Four people, thats a 172. Yes it crashed. Non fatal. Read the description to be more informed you idiots.
FSEVENMAN 3 weeks ago
@FSEVENMAN If we are idiots then how come 1) the flap lever is not all the way down like the description claims was one of the pilot's mistakes (you can see the flap lever at :07) and 2) Why doesn't the video show the plane crashing? I'll tell you why, because putting "crash" in the title generates a lot more hits.
artistgmg 2 weeks ago
Wow. Stall warning just as you rotate. This isn't going to end well.
For a 172 or 152, seems like an awfully long takeoff roll.
theRealTimotheus 3 weeks ago
Ok, I don't know if this plane actually crashed BUT, for one thing that is not a 172 cockpit. Its a 152, and you can clearly see that the flap lever is all the way UP at 00:07, not down. My guess is that the pilot forgot to set the flaps and after hearing the stall horn he lowered them to where they should be and the flight went on uneventfully.
artistgmg 3 weeks ago
@artistgmg: Yes, looks like a 152 and the flaps are up on T/O but then why would he want to lower them if his wings are stalling? Would not lowering the flaps slow down his speed and actually reduce lift in this case? I'm not a pilot.
niftybird 3 weeks ago
@artistgmg This plane is DEFINATELY a Cessna 172F not a C152
rodstarr2001 3 weeks ago
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artistgmg 3 weeks ago
@artistgmg Or he took off over Max gross weight.
cwdecker23 2 weeks ago
@cwdecker23 Then why does the video not show it crashing?
artistgmg 2 weeks ago
@artistgmg Not sure. just giving other possibilities why it is not climbing. I've seen a lot of hobbyist overload light aircraft. and if it was a 150, it is not a procedure to takeoff with flaps like in the 172 or piper of sorts.
cwdecker23 2 weeks ago
What a stupid.
lkorn9150 1 month ago
reall?! except for the teaching of no more than 10deg flaps for soft/short field.....tool
djroe86 1 month ago
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That was frustrating to watch, didn't seem like full power either.
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derry365 1 month ago
hmm seems wierd,,,seemed it never got any speed going,, u can take off below stall speed n fly if u stay in the ground effect.. seems it never gained any speed thou,, he flew way long enuff to get more airspeed,,, motor might have been crapping out ,, hope all were ok
Earssss 1 month ago
Is that the stall warning going off?
behangman 1 month ago
@behangman ,,yup,, big time
Earssss 1 month ago
funny
discountautoco 1 month ago
Full flaps down, what the heck? Sloppy flying.
grozar1 1 month ago
half joking and all....honestly....I would prefer if planes flew at this height. I mean even if somethign goes wrong, there is some sense you arent that far up.
glennjridge 1 month ago
@glennjridge Only half joking? There is an old saying in aviation: Speed is life, altitude is life insurance. If there is something wrong down on the deck, you have not a hell of a lot seconds to recover whatever gets wrong. Time is crucial while finishing the emergency checklists.
mhoeltken 1 month ago
@mhoeltken yeah I totally know that, I'm just a jittery flyer.
glennjridge 1 month ago
@glennjridge it's not the altitude that kills people in planecrashes, but rather the speed on impact. Any pilot knows that getting an engine failure at 30.000 feet is way less dangerous than at 200 feet.
apox555 1 month ago
Where the hell is the power at!? Your License is done
atpchase 1 month ago
....flying at 50 ft AGL is one strategy for avoiding mid air collisions....
eaterofclams 1 month ago
Sweet video of abso-fucking-lutely nothing happening.
Toprem 1 month ago
At 6 sec. into the video you can see the full flaps on the indicator at 40 degrees. I have the same 172D model, I would have a difficult time SOLO climbing with a dirty wing like that. Full fuel, 4 people you are MAX weight and probably over! Later models only have 30 degree max just for that reason. Checklist Checklist Checklist!!!
chopperflyguy 1 month ago
Seems to me I remember seeing a safety poster during my Air National Guard days. It said, "Checklist, Checklist, Checklist, Checklist, Checklist, Checklist, MAKE DAMN SURE, Checklist, Checklist."
chaplainphil 1 month ago
he problably shouldn't have made the decision to continue his take off after the stall warning, but even before that, he should have calculated his weight and balance properly in comparison to the wind..
futurepilot95 1 month ago
WHAT THE HELL DOES "WHIT" MEAN? WHIT WHIT WHIT, YOU MENTAL SON?
LtColDaddy71 1 month ago
Full flaps on take-off with that much load? Good Lord!!
Physicspilot 1 month ago
Ignorance with passengers on board is unacceptable, It's one thing to risk your own neck out in a desert somewhere but people on board, people in the houses below, what a moron.
cowboy6591 1 month ago
if you hear a stall sound pitch down and add power
66yoyomama 1 month ago
@66yoyomama Ya...then he would have ground rolled full power into the bush at the end.
chaplainphil 1 month ago
what a fucking dumbass how does he have a license
pilotbluesky88 2 months ago
pilot went between 5,000 and 6,000 feet down the runway before rotating! Pull power, there was at least 2,000 feet of runway left at the actual rotation. (Watch the 1,000-foot signs on the right, they indicate number of thousands of feet of runway remaining.) Accident Chain: flaps down on pre-flight, after engine start and before take off checklist not followed, abort takeoff procedures not followed. This gives the rest of us a bad name. Use your checklists!!
caverpilot 2 months ago
Weight and balance anyone?
icon578 2 months ago
Sounded like he had full power, does look like a hot summer day (density alt high maybe), not leaned to get full RPM, over gross. I guess he thought that once he got it off the ground, maybe it'd start climbing.
grissomairport 3 months ago
beeeeeeep.....beep.beep beep beeeeeeeep. = your heavy,no power, or something along those lines.
hammerogod was rite on the obvious.....plenty of strip left you dummy. you should have sat her down.
Garton1970 3 months ago
PUSH THE NOSE DOWN
landmark425 3 months ago
When I first watched I didn't know about the flap issue, and I was like "holy.... how is this possible? The engine sounds like full power"
then I read the bit about the flaps, that's just bad flying. I got my license on the 152, with only 30 degree flaps, and the 172 I fly now always surprised me with how much of a difference 10 degrees is, I can't even imagine how this is possible other than just not paying attention. I wouldn't put full flaps unless I needed it to make the runway.
skierplaterandy 3 months ago
It sounded like a max performance take off, looked like a normal take off, this is not good.
lardman2228 3 months ago
Pilot fail. Hope he lost his license.
mwk109 3 months ago 14
look at the lower right of the dash. He has full flaps on takeoff. That is what a checklist is for. It has nothing to do with power. He has a dirty wing and will never overpower the flaps like that.
This is why you put flaps up when you land, after your pre-flight, AND during the checklist.
They are lucky to be alive.
Plus, unless he was carry a couple of 400-lb fat chicks, he should have known his speed was not increasing anywhere near as fast as it should and aborted the takeoff.
HuskyMaxx 4 months ago 34
@HuskyMaxx You can take off with full flaps, my instructor did it with me once as an exercise. Believe it or not, there isn't actually anything wrong with having FE on take off. You should never go above Vfe in a 172 on takeoff...
lardman2228 3 months ago
@lardman2228 yea you can make it but is not a good idea because flaps increase the drag and in the takeoff roll you want to gain speed fast you dont need drag, it gives you more lift but the roll of a 172 is very short. And the poh buddy dont recommend taking of whit more than 10 so maybe in a very short field use 20 or use 30 whit your instructor but dont take off whit more than 10 when you are whit 3 passengers.
mariodela 2 months ago
@mariodela Please please please do not make the mistake of thinking flaps increase drag as a primary. The function of the flaps is to increase lift, the bi-product of lift is drag and this is how it works. Sure the manual may not say to take of with more than 10, but it doesn't mean you can't. I imagine his mistake was that he did not know the procedures to take off with full flaps and therefore cocked up you can do almost anything in a plane, you just need to know the procedures.
lardman2228 2 months ago
@HuskyMaxx and 4 people in a 172 bad choice also
TRANSFORMER2508 1 month ago
@HuskyMaxx Nothing is ever simple in aeronautical decision making.
theaustralianshooter 1 month ago
@HuskyMaxx You're right! It's been 20+ years since I have flown a 172 and I can't remember the flaps setting, but I do remember that 40 degrees made it glide like a brick.
jjaus 3 days ago
@jjaus You're right, sir. At :06 to :07, you can see the flap position indicator (round gauge) under the right yoke showing 40 degree flap deflection. I've never heard of intentionally taking off a 172 with more than 25 degrees flaps. With 40 degrees flaps, the 172 flies like its dragging a giant heavy anchor.
MikeinSoCal 33 minutes ago
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@HuskyMaxx You're right! It's been 20+ years since I have flown a 172 and I can't remember the flaps setting, but I do remember that 40 degrees made it glide like a brick.
jjaus 3 days ago
@HuskyMaxx Being a mechanic Im with you!!! Its just like landing with full flaps and the gear is not down. Thats exactly why you will always belly it in.....yes in the small ones we use flaps for cruvature but we also, on landing, use them to STALL THE WING....its funny how they think they can power out of a full flap stall whether the gear is down or not....lolol
willsgotrythm42 22 hours ago
sounded like he didn't have full power on take-off. That plane should have never left the ground.
MaroonCamaro 4 months ago
8 29 1. A C172 stalled and hit a house in Santa Monica CA. He went around and full stalled/spun. Gooogle it.
Chanel 7 Video of pilot been saved by a house painter that got hit by plane part himself. After he almost got killed by the pilot, he saved him from the fire. Incredible.
CFITOMAHAWK 4 months ago
0:06 the gauge below and left of right yoke stem shows full flaps down, 40 degrees. Max takeoff flaps is 20. This is an older 172, newer ones only go to 30. Stall warning horn should've been a clue something was wrong.
SenorSpode 4 months ago 2
Please correct me if I'm wrong but I have never heard of a full flaps takeoff. 10 degrees or 1 notch (depending on the plane) is the most I ever needed. By the time you've got full flaps in, your just adding more drag w/out getting much more of a lift benefit. Bad Idea for takeoff
nanerrat 4 months ago
The photos showed flaps at 40 degrees and with a hot day and full of fuel, it was an impossible task. msl was not much of a factor because altimeter showed 950. My only other thought was just a wonder, that he might have used 40 degrees in an emergency attempt to stop before hitting the trees. You can not possibly get into a 172 without noticing flaps at 40 degrees.As for the other comments, yes the stall warning horn was an immediate no go for the flight. There was plenty of runway left.
RonBand01 4 months ago
This was a moronic move, ignore the alarm it will go away....
cowboy6591 4 months ago
I know. I guess he never heard of a checklist,
MaxxGladiator 4 months ago
Did he die?
FlyingHeavyMetal737 4 months ago
in French this is named a take of in "second regime" (drag=power, no climb possible)
To avoyd this, a airplane must reach enough speed before rotation (if not= abort) and after take off, not directly climb, but take a acceleration at constant altitude...
oiseautempete 5 months ago
@oiseautempete It is also called a Drag Flaps take off. Most pilots in USA are not taught this kind of take off roll and Rejected Take Off on it, hence this kind of accident keeps happening. If the pilot knew Go Arounds From The Landing Flare as the before solo reg's were, he could have recogniced the high drag situation and raiced flaps to 20 then slowly to 10 degrees. Many CFI's consider that maneuver too hard for them.They rather teach high go arounds, which are easier and no error noted.
CFITOMAHAWK 5 months ago
@oiseautempete Agreed, In most Europe and most other countries, Go arounds from the landing flare are required before solo with landing flaps on it, not water down Go Arounds to comfort the CFI like in USA now. I taught this maneuver with 4 on board and 40 flaps on old C-172's and knowing them saved my skin more than once. Just push nose down, level off, fly MCA low, flaps 20 quick, accelerate to Vx, while flaps to Vx. Too difficult for you? Sorry for your fragile nerves, go fly Radio Control.
CFITOMAHAWK 4 months ago
In other words, Lazy Fat Cats crooks due they couldn't do those hard maneuvers they lobbied the other Lazy Fat Cats in the USA FAA to delete Forced Landings on Take Off from all Part 91 training plus Go Arounds from the landing flare, the most important maneuvers to know by any pilot. That way they clods could keep their Paper Pilot Licenses. Most small plane pilots in USA can't do those exercises like they are demanded in Europe and many other countries. USA airline pilots do them on Sim
CFITOMAHAWK 5 months ago
@jorritje123 In the 1998 Federal Aviation Regulations Part 91 "Revision" The before solo regulations 61.87 e (3) forced landings on take off and in the landing pattern where eliminated.
Go arounds from final and from the landing flare were eliminated too. Guess what is the cause of most serious accidents after that? Low Altitude Stalls on Take Off, Landings and Go Arounds Stalls. Lets eliminate most hardy pilot training and let GA be a "wealthy man only priviledge". Nice plan for GA
CFITOMAHAWK 5 months ago
at .07 seconds - lower right.
The dufus had full flaps ...
Look at the gauge.
MaxxGladiator 5 months ago 2
@MaxxGladiator good eye, It is hard to believe that there are people out there who try shit like that! Where do they get their training... As much runway as he had, he didn't even need flaps! 10 degrees if it would make you feel better...
fastone93 4 months ago
Took FAR too much runway, and the engine did not sound at full speed, and I bet the loading was wrong. I would have aborted that takoff. It was obvious the speed was not there.
He couldn't even raise the nose w/0 the stall indicator going on. He hardly got off the ground.
MaxxGladiator 5 months ago
Plenty of runway. Possibly way over gross weight. Engine did not seem to reach full power.
radreader01 5 months ago
Plenty of runway left for an aborted takeoff! Back up, haven't you learned to calculate takeoff and climb distances over 50' obstacle??
astrav25 5 months ago
You'd be suprised how many idiot pilots are out there. Unfortuently, it seems if you're rich and can afford a plane and your license that's all that matters. I really have seen my fair share of dumb ass manauvers like this!
krodenbach 5 months ago 2
@krodenbach 100% right. Many pilots/owners are more into Ownership than Airmanship. They don't want to do any pilot exercises, crash via Pilot Error and give the rest of good pilots a bad name. But why are you smiling at those guys if you know they are just FOS Fake Flyers? If they are reported as bad pilots they will be checkout by FAA. Most pilot error accidents are caused by bad pilots stalling the airplane on take off, landing or Ground Reference Maneuvering.
CFITOMAHAWK 5 months ago
@CFITOMAHAWK Well, what was Delta Connection Academy, now Aerosim Academy still requires the old Part 91 training, given those who attend are 141 certified (and trained beyond normal standards for 141), not 61. Funny thing was, my Instructor back when I went through the training could never figure out how I managed to get the 172 to defy the laws of physics with each landing, whether standard or forced.
InuKun2008 4 months ago
i have no idea how this guy got his licence
nathhcharles 5 months ago
you know i remeber before i had my license i was doing a solo flight and i was supposed to do a short feild takeoff, due to still being a student I accidenetly applied full flaps on takeoff, so when i heard the stall warning horn go off, guess what i did. I PUSHED THE FUCKING NOSE DOWN!!! jesus its common scense!
RaiderDestroyer 5 months ago
irresponsible piloting period. engine did not reach full power. takeoff should have been aborted. you shouldn't be rotating at such a slow speed that you hear the stall warning. how did this guy get a licenses?
actually the run-up to 1700 rpm and mag check well before taxeoff should have indicated a problem
ad356 6 months ago
@ad356 Stall does not equal insufficient speed. You can stall at any speed.
Bateseh 5 months ago
@Bateseh that is correct. stall speed is effected by angle of attack. stall speed will increase as angle of attack increases. im a student pilot (when money allows) and i passed my faa written exam with a 88% score last year so i do have some knowledge in flying. you have to have adequate airspeed to allow adequate airflow over the wings at a given angle of attack. in this video he doesn't have adequate power and tries to compensate with angle of attack
ad356 5 months ago
@ad356 and it just doesnt work that way. he doesnt have to power necessary to beat gravity and raising the nose only creates the stall and the inevitable crash
ad356 5 months ago
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Bateseh 5 months ago
error 1: take off with full flaps???? Where the hell did he learn that? error 2:It seems the engine can't reach to max rpm either, 2300rpm is not full power and therefore he should have aborted take off, there was plenty of runway left.
If you make these kind of basic erors you will crash. It's a wonder het got of the ground...
louisluigi 6 months ago 2
The passenger filmed his own death.Look at the Blood of the Camaramen in the Cockpit.Terrible. On freflight the Flaps were UP.
MrEurocup 6 months ago
If you want to see photos of the wreck.
just type "212cafe ,tvs007 ,id=1061"
in Google search. It's on the second topic of the search result.
also see part2 ,simulated by paramotor also.
w w w.youtube.com/watch?v=ZG0lDEG9klo-----
w w w .212cafe.com/freewebboard/view.php?user=tvs007&id=1061
trs0007 6 months ago
The UK is christian socialistic type, which in dirty terms is communist. I can't believe this pilot didn't respond to the stall alarm going off, but he didn't respond. And if he crashed into a house, then he just wasn't getting enough speed to control his path. What are the odds against hitting a house? My guess is he froze, meaning he was incompetent. He just wasn't modelling attitude, altitude, thrust and lift in his head properly. inadequate sleep and caffeine can be a fatal combination.
1emanres 6 months ago
Wasn't that high, i would have jumped out!
COL1DeadMetal 6 months ago
STOP abbreviations which some cannot understand.
Who says this was full flaps?
Who says 4 adult occupants + full fuel?
Full throttle? Does not sound like it.
Survivors?
robertgift 6 months ago 2
@robertgift the description says it you tard
Tomsonx232 6 months ago
@Tomsonx232 Who says full flaps?
robertgift 6 months ago
was that full throttle? :/
assi9munkie 6 months ago
i hate the damn stall alarms....
Funqwertyuiop 6 months ago
Even under MTGW, a take off with full drag flaps (40 deg) is Careless and Reckless operation. unless you are practicing them. I teach them, after a good touch and go and runway over 4k. Also with low weigh and low temp. Never with passengers, even with 10k runway in front.
CFITOMAHAWK2 6 months ago
Does anyone know where to find the accident report is for this crash?
zadeh79 7 months ago
Use your checklists.
toutatis12 7 months ago
Why so low?
DMCcornish 7 months ago
@DMCcornish i think problems in the engine
spe92 7 months ago
4 passengers, fuel, and 40 degrees of flaps? A wonder it even got airborne.
Hurst41 7 months ago
Stall warning at Vr...with plenty of runway left.
Yet the guy continues to try to climb.
That was some stupid shit.
Some people just shouldn't be allowed to fly.
There is no follow up info on this vid so I don't know about survivors...but if the Pilot died it was suicide.
hammerogod 7 months ago 33
@hammerogod Yeah constantly hearing the stll warning? did he even have flaps down?? wtf?
MrMalak2k6 2 months ago
@MrMalak2k6 He not only had flaps down, he had full flaps down: 40 degrees, old 172. The gauge just below and left of the right yoke panel brace clearly shows 40 degrees' flaps. Never, ever take off with full flaps. 20 degrees maximum.
SenorSpode 1 month ago
CHECK YOUR WEIGHT FIRST! DO THE MATH! too many lives have been lost over that stupidity.
TheThruster24 7 months ago
it's obvious he has gone over MTOW; C172's don't normally stall like that if you actually follow the specifications of aircraft use.
7guitarihave 7 months ago
There is nothing in the POH for a 172P that says to ever use full flaps for takeoff. Short field/rough/soft says 10 degrees if needed, but never full. Is it accurate that this takeoff was done with full flaps?
RCAF432Sqn 7 months ago
mmm, hearing a stall horn on takeoff is never good. it looked like he had enough runway to land
bajesus666 7 months ago 13
lesson learned: do your damn weights and balance.
kev6848 8 months ago
I flew a Cessna 172 rental once that had long range fuel tanks installed. Full fuel, myself at 180lbs., my mom at 115 lbs., and my aunt who probably weighed in at 160 or so. Sea level conditions. The stall warning never sounded but as soon as we lifted off I could tell we were heavy and I flew it very delicately.
kolbpilot 8 months ago
kolbpilot, delicate is the key. despite this pilot's apparent obvious mistakes, he did a fair job nibbling at the stall. would love to see the next few minutes of the incident.
2ndAsstJizzMopper 8 months ago
@2ndAsstJizzMopper Agree he did a good job for the situation. Problem is that he couldn't pull back on the yoke any more for that was not going to do him any good. What this pilot needed was another 50 horsepower.
kolbpilot 8 months ago
50 horse and a clean set o' shorts. always heard that in a power emergency the alt side of the master switch could be toggled off to increase power a tinge. never tested.
2ndAsstJizzMopper 8 months ago
@kolbpilot or to have got his weight right in the first place.
7guitarihave 7 months ago
yes this aircraft is clearly overloaded....and on a hot day NOT FUN.
AcepilotC172 9 months ago
Follow checklists.
toutatis12 9 months ago
now that is flying!
buschbeer100 9 months ago
maximun wheith of take off is full
Aeronautapobre 9 months ago
It won't climb.....and what's that buzzing noise ?
kolbpilot 9 months ago
@kolbpilot Stall warning horn
lohphat 9 months ago
@lohphat Yes, yes, just making a joke of the unfortunate situation the Cessna pilot found himself in.
kolbpilot 9 months ago
@kolbpilot buzzing noise: stall warning.
crunchycrispybacon 9 months ago
When in doubt abort the take-off. What an idiot.
sjtom57 9 months ago
Tons of "should haves" and "could haves" in this scenario. His CFI has a part in this accident as well.
TaxfreeSVT 9 months ago 2
@TaxfreeSVT You are right, Crooked CFI's are the root of evil. bet he was never taught all the take off emergencies. Many USA CFI's just skip them due they cant teach them. That is why he frozed, did a Panic Pull and Panic slip and didn't do a Ground RTO, neither a Vr RTO, neither lifted flaps to 20, then slowly to 10 degrees as handbook says. That is the kind of Crooked Chicken CFI that is killing GA with incomplete training that end up on this so common take off and initial climb stalls.
CFITOMAHAWK2 7 months ago
@CFITOMAHAWK2 Many CFI's, American or not, can skip key points during instruction.
foxtrot789 6 months ago
Do your W&B! I've flown a 172 fine at near MGW with 4 people, and keep the nose down as long as you can.
keithacoustic86 9 months ago
wow! freakin awesome. its people like that, gives the rest of us good pilots a bad rep.
stevegauth30 9 months ago
ohh damn, i dont know why pilots like this fly! If he can't do a good weight and balance, what is it once in the air with other airplanes beside him!
pap921 9 months ago
as soon as the stall warn , came on the first time it was way enough time to put it on the deack and hit the brakes and say sorry folks were too heavy , the heffer will have to walk , why when the stall warning sytem warned him that the plane was to heavy did he still carry on climbing , it baffels me
SleepEat3D 9 months ago
Good job on the weight and balance... lol. A good pilot would have checked that before takeoff... and a decent pilot who didn't should have put the plane down in one of those fields when the incipient stall was coming about... jesus who gave this guy a certifiate..
minimusmax 9 months ago
you did this on porpose, right?
gustavo87467357 9 months ago
A UK pilot crashed this Cessna 172 with 3 passengers but they all survived .) The aircraft was totally wrecked following a stall with full flap on take off from a strip in 34c temps . You can find information on forums.flyer.co.uk
franckfaby 10 months ago
A UK pilot crashed this Cessna 172 with 3 passengers but they all survived .) The aircraft was totally wrecked following a stall with full flap on take off from a strip in 34c temps
franckfaby 10 months ago
Check the flap indicator.........full flaps........not a take off position in any airplane. No Preflight checklist done.......pilot error.
LGMavredes 10 months ago
172's can barely climb with a student and instructor onboard with full flap, some unlucky pair at Ardmore in NZ had issues with the flap on his 172 where the flap would not retract and ended up doing a whole circuit with full flap. With four people and full tanks, even with flaps up climb performance will be unbelievably shit but with full flap, that is an unavoidable accident waiting to happen
colboyhell 10 months ago
@colboyhell why would you be taking off with full flap anyway?
NTBushPilot 10 months ago
@NTBushPilot Sorry it was meant to read "let alone with full flap"
colboyhell 10 months ago
Did they survive??
sabinaviator 10 months ago
Duh.
1Flammenwerfer 10 months ago
a 10 degree flap takeoff would have saved this overloaded plane.
are these people still alive
Hurricane4x4Parts 10 months ago
Doesnt look like the engine is at Full throttle.... looks like this was purposly dont or a monkey is flying this.
immortaljatt05 10 months ago
Have you just hijacked some random C172 and thought ooo this is a good idea .....well to be frank........YOU BLOODY IDIOT!
hargreavesjn123 10 months ago
why didnt you push the nose down, STOP CLIMBING, and accelerate in ground effect , I was reading comments that say you had your flaps down and thats why you crashed, well yea you defeanitly would if you kept climibing at the same rate since your off the ground before you reach the Vx and Vy speeds but still, all you would have needed to do was push the nose down and stop climbing, get to those v speeds( like we are taught when we do a soft feild takeoff), and use ground effect
RaiderDestroyer 10 months ago
ya how long was that ground roll man, plenty of time to reject a take off.
all the more reason to be telling yourself mentally each time you apply full power that you're going to reject the take off. then, if you get lucky and everything goes well, you can surprise yourself with a nice uneventful take off.
Iris421989 10 months ago
call me stupid but i could feel that was going to end bad before he got airborne! my asshole tightened as i yelled out dude stop, and after the first stall warning what did he think would happen?
australianmade74 10 months ago
Is he blowing the horn to warn the folks in the house?
How quaint. Dang.
1Flammenwerfer 10 months ago
@1Flammenwerfer thats the stall warning horn
jak9200 10 months ago
@1Flammenwerfer an aircraft has no horn
Scorpac 10 months ago
misleading title.........such a dildo. dislike button bam!
theplanet1985 10 months ago
Yep, at 0:06 there it is. Right under the passenger control wheel you can see the flap indicator display at 30 degrees. It can happen to anyone but one small checklist for preflights can go a long way in preventing four long checklists of funeral arrangements.
cessna7035q 11 months ago
STALL STALL
bondwr 11 months ago
Oh man this is ugly. Full flap takeoff?! In a c172? Epic fail.
PICLex 11 months ago
At :53 to :56 you can see he does a Panic Slip to the right. A slip will kill lift. Most right handed panicky pilots do that besides pooping in pants when in trouble.
I teach touch and go's with full flaps take off (40) up to 70 deg. OAT on a 4k runway with 3 stories buildings on both sides of runway. First 2-3 take offs like that I have to push nose down to the runway fence. They have to do same by 5 or 6th take off. Many CFI's can't. They don't have "The Set" to push that nose down.
CFITOMAHAWK2 11 months ago
As a qualified private pilot , this video is nothing that new to me, after reading loads of CHIRPS and AAIB reports.
It was pilot error, not just a single big error , but two or three chained errors that lead to the accident. Firstly the aircraft was close to, or exceeding its MTOW, on its own that will cause a large decrease in flap performance .The aircraft must have had at least flaps 30 set on take off, as the aircraft seems to be only flying on ground effect. Everyone makes mistakes.
ewandougie 11 months ago
@ewandougie cont. Its just not appropriate to accuse the pilot of being old and forgot to do his checklist, there are factors that no one here may know about that lead this to happen. I am only 20 , and a couple of times I have made some mistakes, like once starting the aircraft with the mixture too lean, or forgetting to set the transponder to ALT on takeoff , it seems alot of the posts on here are from people who know little about flying and speak out their backside.
ewandougie 11 months ago
Its just not appropriate to accuse the pilot of being old and forgot to do his checklist, there are factors that no one here may know about that lead this to happen. I am only 20 , and a couple of times I have made some mistakes, like once starting the aircraft with the mixture too lean, or forgetting to set the transponder to ALT on takeoff , it seems alot of the posts on here are from people who know little about flying and speak out their backside.
ewandougie 11 months ago
@ritualghost I am from the uk which if I remember correctly ... Is not communist
Nickjf20 11 months ago 17
@Nickjf20 Eh... debatable. :)
ejlister 11 months ago