those oakway SD60s are amazing machines... i used to see those all the time growing up and before their paint was thrashed. i saw one last week for the first time in about 5 years. there becoming scarce...
I'm an old retired ATSF Locomotive Engineer. Good looking Lima 4-8-4. 1948 to 1950 I use to operate the Baldwin 2-6-2 and the Baldwin 4-8-4. I've always Steamers should still be used, they tons more power than the Diesels do. Great video of old memories :-)
@MrCraig1930 Not really, even a 4-8-4 like the daylight only has a tractive effort of 64,800lbs. Sd60's have a tactive effort 98,250 lbs, so in simple math it would take 4.5 Daylights to pull what these three 60's are doing. Hell Big Boys only have 135,375lb of tractive effort most people think they are in the 200,000 area, and now the new EMD SD70ACe have a tractive effort of 191,000 lbs. Steam is not what it used to be...
@potzahasee01 Does it make any difference that the 4449 generates 1,200 more horsepower than an EMD SD70ACE? Does it make any difference that it generates 1,700 more horsepower than an EMDSD60? Speaking of 4-8-4s, the Chesapeake and Ohio 614 used to pull fully loaded 50 car coal trains by itself at 60 MPH!
For mechanical horsepower, one horsepower is 33,000 lb.ft./minute = 746 W. Boiler horsepower is, one boiler horse power unit is equal to a boiler thermal output of 33,475 BTU/h , which is the energy rate needed to evaporate 34.5 lb at 212 °F in one hour. Electrical horsepower is the same as mechanical horsepower defined as exactly 746 W.
Its like horsepower vs torque, if you want to know what your car can do you look at torque the power that is being put the the ground. You can have a 400Hp motor and still only only put down 200 pound-feet of torque. Its the same as Horsepower and tractive effort, tractive effort is the pulling or pushing capability of the locomotive.
@844trainman Not true, I have helped with both the 4449 and 700 clubs a few times (paint striping and washing/cleaning, the fun stuff), and right now a little 2ft 0-4-0 a well off gentlemen in the valley just got. But when someone says "they have tons more power than the Diesels do." that's not true anymore, its as simple as that. If I had my way I would be down restoring the 4460 in a heart beat, so don't call me a steam hater.
@potzahasee01 realy? your arguing with some one who worked on those engines all his adult life that a single steam loco dosnt have more tractive effort than a single diesle, if so sir, please go do your homework it dont matter that the diesles have more hoarse power, steamers hav more tractive effort which is what realy counts.
@844trainman I said nothing about any HP being a factor at all. "Jemalacane" bought up HP numbers. GS4's have tractive effort of 64,800lbs, C&O 614 has a tractive effort 68,299 lbs, Sd60's have a tactive effort 98,250 lbs, SD70ACe have a tractive effort of 191,000 lbs... So what are you talking about steamer do NOT have a higher tractive effort. Yes steamers are like being stuck in high gear all the time, and gain power the faster they go, but that means nothing if they cant get it started.
@844trainman Yup. As I'm sure you'll agree, steamers were made for one-hit runs. The big suckers were designed for special freight runs or high amounts, and the small trains did special orders and passenger services. Again, the large ones responded for passenger service by running express services.
Of course, I may be completely wrong. Either way, these babies were the pride n' joy of their owners, still are probably, and can still pull their weight.
those oakway SD60s are amazing machines... i used to see those all the time growing up and before their paint was thrashed. i saw one last week for the first time in about 5 years. there becoming scarce...
TRAVAM91 3 weeks ago
It was idling most of the time but was in fact used on upgrades by remote control from the cab of 4449
bigtimesteamfan 1 month ago
was that diesel even on line? sure didn't sound like it!
FireCaptE9 1 month ago
steam engines were great and awsome , but diesles are more comfortable , easyer to maintain , less polutive , and have tons of horsepower.
BNSF9250 1 month ago
THAT HORN IS BAD ASS !!!!!!! k3has are amazing.
BNSF9250 1 month ago
bark....oops
lolz976 2 months ago
Never heard the 4449 brak like that, 5 stars
lolz976 2 months ago
That is awesome!
CSX6000 5 months ago
Hahaha that BNSF D 9 is even #4449! thats cool
MoPacBoy 5 months ago
WICKED!!!
dwkcamman611 5 months ago
I'm an old retired ATSF Locomotive Engineer. Good looking Lima 4-8-4. 1948 to 1950 I use to operate the Baldwin 2-6-2 and the Baldwin 4-8-4. I've always Steamers should still be used, they tons more power than the Diesels do. Great video of old memories :-)
MrCraig1930 9 months ago
@MrCraig1930 Not really, even a 4-8-4 like the daylight only has a tractive effort of 64,800lbs. Sd60's have a tactive effort 98,250 lbs, so in simple math it would take 4.5 Daylights to pull what these three 60's are doing. Hell Big Boys only have 135,375lb of tractive effort most people think they are in the 200,000 area, and now the new EMD SD70ACe have a tractive effort of 191,000 lbs. Steam is not what it used to be...
potzahasee01 6 months ago
@potzahasee01 Does it make any difference that the 4449 generates 1,200 more horsepower than an EMD SD70ACE? Does it make any difference that it generates 1,700 more horsepower than an EMDSD60? Speaking of 4-8-4s, the Chesapeake and Ohio 614 used to pull fully loaded 50 car coal trains by itself at 60 MPH!
Jemalacane 4 months ago
For mechanical horsepower, one horsepower is 33,000 lb.ft./minute = 746 W. Boiler horsepower is, one boiler horse power unit is equal to a boiler thermal output of 33,475 BTU/h , which is the energy rate needed to evaporate 34.5 lb at 212 °F in one hour. Electrical horsepower is the same as mechanical horsepower defined as exactly 746 W.
potzahasee01 3 months ago
Its like horsepower vs torque, if you want to know what your car can do you look at torque the power that is being put the the ground. You can have a 400Hp motor and still only only put down 200 pound-feet of torque. Its the same as Horsepower and tractive effort, tractive effort is the pulling or pushing capability of the locomotive.
potzahasee01 3 months ago
@potzahasee01 But like I said, the Chesapeake And Ohio 614 did pull fully loaded 50 car coal trains by itself at 60 MPH! That's like 5,000 tons!
Jemalacane 3 months ago
@potzahasee01 steam hater..............
844trainman 3 months ago
@844trainman Not true, I have helped with both the 4449 and 700 clubs a few times (paint striping and washing/cleaning, the fun stuff), and right now a little 2ft 0-4-0 a well off gentlemen in the valley just got. But when someone says "they have tons more power than the Diesels do." that's not true anymore, its as simple as that. If I had my way I would be down restoring the 4460 in a heart beat, so don't call me a steam hater.
potzahasee01 3 months ago
@potzahasee01 realy? your arguing with some one who worked on those engines all his adult life that a single steam loco dosnt have more tractive effort than a single diesle, if so sir, please go do your homework it dont matter that the diesles have more hoarse power, steamers hav more tractive effort which is what realy counts.
844trainman 2 months ago
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@844trainman I said nothing about any HP being a factor at all. "Jemalacane" bought up HP numbers. GS4's have tractive effort of 64,800lbs, C&O 614 has a tractive effort 68,299 lbs, Sd60's have a tactive effort 98,250 lbs, SD70ACe have a tractive effort of 191,000 lbs... So what are you talking about steamer do NOT have a higher tractive effort. Yes steamers are like being stuck in high gear all the time, and gain power the faster they go, but that means nothing if they cant get it started.
potzahasee01 2 months ago
@844trainman Yup. As I'm sure you'll agree, steamers were made for one-hit runs. The big suckers were designed for special freight runs or high amounts, and the small trains did special orders and passenger services. Again, the large ones responded for passenger service by running express services.
Of course, I may be completely wrong. Either way, these babies were the pride n' joy of their owners, still are probably, and can still pull their weight.
LGTheOneFreeMan 2 months ago
Excellent meet there with 4449! Also unique to catch the 4449 in the black paint scheme.
theup3985 9 months ago
Doesn't matter the paint job (red white & blue, Daylight, or black) it's still a beautiful engine.
TexasJim1956 9 months ago
That chuffing starting at 1:00 was outstandingly LOUD!!!
6709ify 9 months ago
Yeah, know that you painted it black, you find a orange unit to put behind it. Good job...
foroke1 1 year ago
Look at her sway as she passes the camera. That means she's working.
ronthecyborg 1 year ago
Great video! Love the big steam sounds and the awesome sound of the whistle at the end as the engine fades away in the distance.
sg69er 2 years ago 2