Honduras: Elections as coup laundering

[Fcno]

the coup was a CIA backed. Learn history dumbasses it happened throughout all of Latin America, including Brazil in 1964.

[Juefawn]

Amazing the Hondurans know not to relieve their strategies but Americans...O_o

[freeHonduras]

The only news that come out of Honduras are the ones that the illegitimate government lets out.. and that are in their favor. Of course youre only gonna see Coup supporters marching if those TV executives are the ones who supported the coup

[REALHONDURAS]

@freeHonduras : Really? wow because theres' nangara news stations there like... el tiempo, canal 11, radio progresso and all those other fake medias there. If you think you can continue to cry wolf and nobody would notice... well your too late.

[fish1597]

The only thing that was wrong was that Zelaya tried to do the same thing that Chavez and Fidel did and got caught . No no one in honduras wants a totalitarian government. is funny how the real news dont show the tragedy here and dont report the same from the attrocities of the Fidel and Venezuelan goverment

[ahonduransopinion]

These socialist's can't accept that the Honduran people rejected them MASSIVELY. ALL govermnet powers stayed the SAME after zelaya was removed. Only the executive branch changed, because the real coup was gona come from Zelaya and his Staling wanna be friends (Chavez, Fidel and Ortega)

Our authorities have kept in check all these thugs who want to keep burning buildings. burning buses, who wanted to take voting posts by force and keep us from voting. Those are the real news not indoctrination.

[stagsleap1997]

@ahonduransopinion

ditto

[stagsleap1997]

I love how you all keep deleting comments contrary to yours. isn't that fascism? or does the "real" truth scare you to death?!?!?!?

[WCSamerica]

Agree with you! this is really bad news making, no wonder they only have 3,507 views... lying you will never get anywhere... The real news??? do not agree at all...

[stagsleap1997]

btw, I live in Honduras and we're doing just fine.  I think it's the sore losers that are suffering more than us...

[stagsleap1997]

I just sent you all a donation relative to your news reporting.... You should be receiving a paper bag full of dog crap very soon... Keep up the good work... (this is truly the most objective non-biased reporting I've ever seen, lol)

[jjmcoates]

76% of current honduras residents voted. 57% of voters overall, including those overseas voted.

There is a new prez for honduras...international observers from Europe watched the elections and declared them fair. A conservative won.

[NicosNicosNicosNicos]

The results in terms of the turnout -related claims by the dictatorship were extrapolated by the TSE from an unrepresentative sample taken from an upper-class neighbourhood (generally=golpista) neighbourhood, which would explain it.

Who were these Europeans and on what authority (other than being European) do they make their apparent statement?

[ahonduransopinion]

You tell them JJ

[novospassky]

This is another example of the U.S. covertly backing a right wing coup in Central America. We can't risk the emergence of a true democracy this close to our borders. It would expose what a sham our "democracy" has become. There is a small elite in Honduras which benefits greatly with its relationship to U.S. corporations, and that is the way they intend to keep it. Our supposed President for change joined several countries in accepting whatever results the "elections" yielded. A total farce.

[FrilleDill]

@Nicos: Replying to someone of the intelectual capacity of unbubba is a waste of time. His "arguments" (bullshit dude) and "facts" (seeking third term) are so far off it defies physical laws. He's just regurgitating the standard anti-Chavez comments spoon fed to him by FOX. But thanks for trying.

Anyway, Zelaya was far from perfect, but to stage a coup to defend democracy is like waring for peace or f*ucking for virginity.

[facelesshorseman]

Go Hillary! More than anything, this disillusions me to Obama. He's looking more Kennedyesque by the minute.

Every Network was in Aruba for one missing American girl, yet no one covered our removal of Aristide in Haiti which was happening at the same time. Haiti is closer to the US. US news chides Chavez for anti-Americanism forgetting our recognition of his coup plotters.There is NO objective coverage south of the border.

?: Why do none of the Spanish language channels have SAP in English?

[55ella2007k]

The woman being interviewed is taking a very personal risk in speaking out. Poor people in Honduras, unlike the business elite, do not have internet connection nor clean water! The coup was orchestrated by the wealthy elites, which doesn't give a shit about the population.

[theunbubba]

Look you douchebags. The military acted on the will of the Honduran legislature and supreme court coming together to stop the illegal change of their constitution to allow a "president for life" like that rat in Venezuela, and the other one in Cuba.

Shove your propaganda up your ass.

[csanchez2009]

The military acted on the interest of a bunch of elite business group, not the legislature, not supreme court and definitely not the people of Honduras. This Election is bogus and hardly no Latin Countries recognize the de facto government.

[NicosNicosNicosNicos]

They claimed this but there is nothing of substance to it other than such claims, in fact the facts are easy to verify. You can look up the referendum question for yourself it interested. Tip: I posted it here among these posts in English and Spanish. There is nothing about rats or presidents for life in there or in anything Zelaya did.

[libertits]

Look, you douchebag: The military acted on the will of a small elite and against the will of a majority, repressing them, shooting protestors, something the legislature and Supreme Court forbids, but in view they are all corrupt in Honduras, it doesn't work the way it should. If you don't know a thing about my country, I'd recommend you to inform yourself first about the characters, which "rule" us right now and for the last 50 years and then speak out, otherwise you are just a laughable twat

[libertits]

the average Cuban lives multiple times better than the average Honduran, not accordingly to me but to UN studies. You'd be surprised. There's much less poverty rate there than in the US.

Regarding the propaganda comment you made: We have CNN, BBC, Washington Post, Wallstreet Journal, La Prensa, la tribuna, el heraldo in Honduras (quite a lot of media) who are already into the anti Chavez propaganda. Let one media i.e. the real news show the other side. Don't watch it if you don't like it.

[facelesshorseman]

There is supposed to be a legal framework for charging and removing the President for this crime. I guess they just forgot. The Coup cares nothing for legality, and wish themselves to be rulers for eternity through puppet governments. It's easy to see why you are confused though, your assessment the only line the US news has advanced.

[theunbubba]

@facelesshorseman

They used that framework. You just won't admit it. As for "the Coup" nat caring about legality......a coup is an action not a group. I think you mean the ruling Junta installed by the military after the coup as a temporary measure until the new election. And they DID hold elections as soon as possible.

I can see very well. Right through your distortion of the truth.

You aren't a very good propagandist. Piss poor from what I see.

Class warfare bullshit.

[02524630N]

Totally false. I read the text of the Constitution (you have not) and there is nothing in it or in any other law regarding the organization of the State that establishes such a mechanism which would, anyway, be contratry to the independence of the branches of government.

[theunbubba]

Propagandist. The Legislature and Supreme Court prevailed upon the military to save the country. You just want to be part of Zelaya's inner cadre of elitists. You are motivated by greed.

[NicosNicosNicosNicos]

Congress and Supreme Court have no more powers to remove the President legally than the President has to close down Congress or sack the Supreme Court. Either way this would constitute abuse of power.

[theunbubba]

@NicosNicosNicosNicos The argument you make is just sophistry. When two branches of government realize that the other is seeking to take dictatorial power over all, they must act to remove the threat to liberty. This is what happened.

The real argument is over now anyway. You lost.

[NicosNicosNicosNicos]

Your second sentence just abouts hold water in a fantasy kind of moral sense.If you read anything at all about Honduras' history and institutions,however,you will notice that the latter have never cared for anything like "liberty" for the majority of its citizens.Ok,in your fantasy it can be what you like,but I was referring to the actual, existing, albeit retrograde1982 Honduran dictatorship constitution and its contents. No such powers.Ain't there.Coups?It's history is full of em.

[theunbubba]

Dude you are the one living in fantasy land, if you think anyone trying to create a way to keep power is anything but a thug. That's what Zelaya was doing. Trying for a way to get a third term.

[NicosNicosNicosNicos]

Check what the referendum says.....I've been saying: there is the reality. It opens a public debate on a Constituent Assembly that people have been seeking since before Zelaya and will continue to seek after Zelaya so there can be a genuinely democratic constitution. Term limits, or any other clause would have been in the hands of a future government. This is entirely verifiable (I cited the referendum question here in full). (There are no 2 terms, only 1 term in the Honduras constitution btw.)

[csanchez2009]

First of the all, there was no clear evidence what so ever that Zelaya was seeking for a third term election. He basically wanted non-binding referendum election to vote for a new constitution. The majority of the medias in Honduras (owned by coup) are saying something totally the opposite

[theunbubba]

Bullshit. It's over, you lost,get a life.

[csanchez2009]

@theunbubba : hahaha, the bogus elections maybe over, but the resistance of the people of Honduras wanting true democracy continues. As long as the International community supports them, Pepe lobo will lose control of his own dictatorship coup government

[facelesshorseman]

No they didn't. There was no trial. Class warfare goes both ways butthole, and in human relations, the one arguing semantics is usually without a foot to stand on.

They held a ridiculous travesty of an election with a total press lock-down and all support of Zelaya oppressed violently. Let's see how "temporary" the oppression of the left is under these murderous fucks. Expect a civil war now, you armchair Fascist.

[theunbubba]

@facelesshorseman kiss my ass commie.

[02524630N]

Why Uribe can opt to re-election and Zelaya couldn't?

[theunbubba]

Zelaya already had two terms and was trying to become "president for life". Get a fucking clue. He's not a friend of the people. He's a friend of personal power.

[NicosNicosNicosNicos]

No, Zelaya only had one term: as I mention there is only one term allowed. To change it to two terms like the US you'd need to change the constitution, if the US system seemed fair to you in that respect. (It DOES help to check with the facts, frankly, no offence)

[02524630N]

You don't even read Spanish. How could you have an opinion regarding the law of Honduras?

[02524630N]

There is nothing, absoluteley nothing in the honduran law that provides for removal of the President. In the US there is the Impreachment procedure but not in Honduras. Show us where in the law.

[02524630N]

According to you, to defend the rule of law is the same as to be a communists. Dude, get an education and respect other's education and intelligence.

[facelesshorseman]

HA! I avoided reading any Marx until 40 as I hadn't been impressed by the product of the philosophy. When I did, I was surprised that anyone fell for it.

Then along comes the Cult of the Free Market. It is just as simplistic, Utopian, and ultimately as open to abuse as any social order based purely on a monetary system, not justice.

As long as there are armies, borders, or governments, the Free Market will be as valid as "Free Love"; an open invitation to the rapacious.

[NicosNicosNicosNicos]

Yes it sounds like they "just forgot" according to the very best of the best any apologist I have heard has been able to come up with.

[02524630N]

Totally false. Zelaya wanted to offer to the people of Honduras the possibility of reelection just like Uribe -supported by the US- has just done in Coiombia.

[singledad11]

the people have spoken, they do not want zelaya's leftist communist to control them

[csanchez2009]

First of all, when you the people, you actually means the elite group people of Honduras. Second, it seems to me that when a president or leader wants any type of social reform for the people of any country he or she is exiled or killed. Rather than opening a dialog of communication with both parties, Michelliti uses aggression.

[libertits]

Oh really? If 21.5% percent of "people speaking" is what democracy is all about for people like you, then I don't think you know what that word means. Oh everyone voted in Honduras according to Martians and people who are blind. Abstentionism won in Honduras! there are dozens of videos showing what a joke these elections were! This nazi rancher is not going to expand the dictatorship! Lobo is a real cowboy an dof the kind who loves racial cleansing. He has quite a history in Honduras.

[sethli2]

Thanks the Real News Network, and keep up the good work!

A media tip to keep in mind. When watching a video, video draws the attention over sound. When explaining, as in the beginning, and introducing people, do not show other people (especially if not introduced yet!). This works confusing, the message gets lost as the 'leading' video shows otherwise. Showing 'a' Roberto Micheletti and introducing Manuel Zelaya is NOT done. Go for something general.

Just as a tip to getting you even better!

[csanchez2009]

It is so sad how U.S.A. is going to recognize an election backed by a Military Coup. Maybe we should put a gun at Obama and exile him to another country and have our own elections.....ummm sounds good to me.

[JoeDaPlumber]

If Obama legitimizes this coup I will not vote for him

[gastonytHQ]

is the narrator the readheaded (well if not redheaded= the only whitey there. PALE) dude, that was marching with the resistance? yesterday in sps central park?

[Ex0dus111]

So is Zelaya represented in the elections ?

What about the popular opinion? From this report it seems noone should be in favour of the regime, and yet the military is getting new recruit and tbh if EVERYONE is against a government it cannot last.

[NicosNicosNicosNicos]

"What about the popular opinion?"

That is what a referendum might tell you if allowed to happen, remember.

[NicosNicosNicosNicos]

Zelaya, or more specifically, the resistance against the coup (not synonymous) are represented by the call for a boycott of the elections. The military tried to make it illegal for people to argue against voting. The radio station that took this position was taken off the air this week. Political debate was allowed but only within the narrow confines acceptable to the coup leaders. No, not everyone is against the coup, unfortunately, but those getting the worst out of it are the poor majority.

[prjctcivilian]

As far as the referendum goes, what exactly was being voted on? I hear some people claiming it was about the raising on minimum wage and ive heard others who say the main objective was to abolish the term limits of presidency but what is true?

[NicosNicosNicosNicos]

Neither is true per se. The 28 June referendum question is as follows: "¿Está usted de acuerdo que en las elecciones generales de noviembre de 2009 se instale una cuarta urna para decidir sobre la convocatoria a una Asamblea Nacional Constituyente que apruebe una Constitución política?

[NicosNicosNicosNicos]

In English: "Do you agree that during the November 2009 general elections a fourth ballot box be installed to decide on whether to call for a National Constituent Assembly to aprove a Political Constitution?" (Zelaya had, separately,already brought up the minimum wage by 60% btw.)

[NicosNicosNicosNicos]

There is a pre-existing movement to introduce a democratic constitution to Honduras, as the current one was written by a military regime with no popular consent or contribution.

As to whether this could have led to a new constitution? Maybe..Hopefully yes! That would have by definition been AFTER the elections, meaning Z would not have been in power meaning he could not have included removing term limits for his own benefit.

[spartan2600]

there was no real referendum. essentially, what Zelaya was calling for was a *non-binding* referendum (in normal language this is called a poll) to inquire whether the public would support amending the constitution to abolish term limits. under the pretense that this was unconstitutional, the opposing politicians kicked Zelaya out, and essentially formed a military junta/dictatorship.

[NicosNicosNicosNicos]

"whether the public would support amending the constitution to abolish term limits"

I must correct you there: the question regards REWRITING the constitution, and never got to the stage of deciding the contents of said new democratic constitution. So no term-limits involved.

[ArcticSlicer]

Simply put they wanted a new constitution that would allow the people to have more power in their supposed "democracy". This of course upset the power brokers in the country leading to a coup.

[goodspelr]

Do you even consider showing the other side?!! The previous government simply ignored the Supreme Court, the concept of rule of law, and it's own congress. Understandably the military took action, Zeliah supporters are actually the undemocratic ones, hiding behind "human rights" for their own selfish agenda. If I'm wrong show me, but this video failed to do that.

[wdednam]

What is your supreme court worth? It's a band of elitists who answer to Gen Vazquez. What is your current constitution worth? About as much as South Africa's apartheid constitution, i.e., NOTHING. Your 1982 constitution was written under the guiding hand of Gen Vazquez himself while he was dictator of Honduras.

[NicosNicosNicosNicos]

Excuses for the coup included:A fake resignation letter"by" Manuel Zelaya; Accusations that the referendum he proposed could have been used to extend his mandate (it could not);An interpretation of "legality" that INVENTED powers for Congress and the S.Court to remove a president. Powers not even the 1982 constitution recognises them.

[NicosNicosNicosNicos]

The Human Rights group interviewed here, COFADEH, has been following its "selfish" agenda: pursuit of Human Rights, throughout decades of brutal illegitimate governments. The lady interviewed had her husband dragged from her arms by the same military that rule Honduras today and never saw him again. I think she is more concerned with Human Rights than many an interviewee.

[NicosNicosNicosNicos]

The golpistas' PR people are real professionals: In trying to cover up their censorship of Radio Globo, that de facto Minister practically repears word for word the justification for Chavez not renewing the license of that Venezuelan private TV station. One crucial difference of course is that the Venezuelan channel TOOK PART in a coup, whereas the Honduran one is trying to speak out against one...

[wdednam]

Not to mention the fact that RCTV's operating license was up for renewal and the Venezuelan government decided to democratize the broadcasting spectrum (which is physically limited) by allowing more public access to it. In spite of all this Venezuela still has one of the largest opposition media. Globovision is still operating and spouting all manner of rightwing rhetoric including featuring a guy that said that Chavez would end up being hanged for everything he has done. contd...

[wdednam]

The repression of the media in Venezuela is just unbelievable! It's awful, how could the Venezuelan government allow an anti-chavista to all but call for his hanging on television and then do nothing about it! Tsk tsk...

[khmerphilosopher]

I am sorry to see this happening to your country, however I do hopes that your nation will find the way out of this crisis.

[ceomeye]

setting up a puppet...thats what the U.S wants and Obama is to blame....setting up latin america for their new order feast...

wake uP

[PeterSodhi]

"we are calling on Obama to ..." dont waste your time.

[RCinPAWA]

Great reporting.

[ufster81]

and while the world media went berserk with iran elections over allegations, honduras, where an actual coup took place, is just ignored as the wishes of usa commands it to be. europeans have became puny little weaklings since WW2 have submitted to USA like obedient pets. someone over there needs to grow a spine so that their media can grow to become dependent on american media...

thanks for showing this.

[ufster81]

of course i mean independent.

[digimaton]

an election recognised as legitimate by Panama, Costa Rica, Taiwan, and the U.S.?

Democrat/Republican, Obama/Bush, it doesn't matter, American foreign policy remains consistently belligerent.

[elasetti]

NO MORE PINOCHET IN LATIN AMERICA

[PBrofaith]

Who are your major sponsors? I really want to know

[NicosNicosNicosNicos]

Definitely not Chiquita Brands International, that's for sure.

[rocktothegrave]

"real news" my ass, Honduras is an example of how to really stand up against comunism like chavez, you fucking americans are the worst terrorists of them all, go bomb some place, thats the only thing you are good at, fucking assholes, you have one of the most hated countries in the world and dont even realize it yet. oil and power is the only thing you blood suckers know. VIVA HONDURAS !!! a real hero country. FUCK COMUNISM!!

[MarquisdeBarrabas]

It's because of maggots like you that people like Chavez are necessary.

[NicosNicosNicosNicos]

"VIVA HONDURAS !!! a real hero country."

A real client state of the US. You have to be joking if you think there is a "threat" from Venezuela, or Mozambique, or Haiti or whatever insignificant regional "power". The International Republican Institute was salivating about a coup in Honduras since at least March 2009, which you can see in an online video entitled "Good Governance in Honduras". So Honduras can be "free" to be a puppet state of "the worst terrorists of them all". Great news ...

[williamwagener]

this is a good REPORT of REAL NEWS... we did not get from Mainstream in USA>

thanks.

[MrSokitumi]

Oh and a BIG FUCK YOU to the Central Inteligence Agency (CIA) Who is the REAL importer of drugs into america.....)o

[MrSokitumi]

Like I said when all this 1st started , drug wars in mexico my ass , its a coup to put into place a PRO. NWO (North American Union) friendly government and theirs NOTHING friendly about it )o DIE NEW WORLD ORDER o( FREEDOM WINS )o Id rather DIE standing than LIVE on my knees o( RESIST )o

[yogagye]

Roberto "La Refrigeradora" Michelleti, como le dice Jaime Bayly, ja ja ja...

Zelaya es una bestia por haberse peleado con la milicia si pretendía hacer su mamotrada con la constitución hondureña; pero Michelleti es un mafioso y con tal de no perder sus beneficios hizo una estupidez y ha puesto al pueblo de Honduras de rodillas por meses.

[RAPMONSTAR]

what a beuty full people long live the world wide recistance , solidarity, I send to you hope full wishes, a message to be strong, and to be careful and safe.

[hanscholo]

Fight the power. Fuck the New World Order.

[tomasbermea]

pepe lobo is a nationalist, we all know that nationalists are fascists and that fascism goes hand in hand with imperialism, not surprising since like all coups in latin america, this one was most likely backed by US imperialism. i wonder what human rights violations will be commited during the sunday elections and what human rights will be abused by lobo if he wins.

[RAPMONSTAR]

shut up with your word association, you dont make any valid points with assumptions in regards to Pepe Escobar

[pranachimana]

wasn't he trying to rewrite their constitution?

[terpis]

No. He was trying to create political space where that might become a serious part of the national conversation (think abolishing slavery, or corporate personhood as analogs in this country). But he did no such "rewriting" and had no chance of personally benefiting from a reform of the single-term limit for Honduran Presidents, which would be a topic of consideration for reforming the 1981 constitution.

Like the US, they're clearly saddled with a politically reactionary Supreme Court.

[RAPMONSTAR]

I think in a democratic way with the support of the country peoples. may be the ideas from 1800 dont necessarly apply today. I dont know exactly all fcats or necessarly have an opinion in regards to this, because I dont mingle in foreign affairs its up to the autonommous countrys decission.

[NicosNicosNicosNicos]

(in other words he attempted to hold a referendum to ask the population whether they would be interested in organising a body (constituent assembly) that might rewrite their consitution instead of the (1982 actually) constitution written by a dictatorship with zero popular consultation.

[AndrewMann552]

Night has descended over Honduras, but the workers, students and poor will eventually win, their struggle remains alive. Obama is a puppet of imperialism, the Honduran masses can only trust in themselves and the solidarity of international revolutionaries.

[blackiron60]

Obama's handling of the Honduran crisis confirms that everything he has said to Latin American leaders about building a new era is a lie.

[jokerbookshop]

its always good to have "the real news" version.