tired of hearing you russian idiots talking about your glorious PAK-FA. Sukhoi was never the best ever and it never will be. America has always had the best and always will and you know it. By the time that load of crap you call an f-35 killer finally comes out. Our great country would have already built six gen aircraft. in other words... SPACE BABY
Sorry guys but American technologies has left the manned air craft ideology they are still behind us. Leme-splane it to ya. An unmanned war craft is smaller, harder to see and first to fire. Also there is now capability to identify enemy aircraft from a great distance without visual contact, therefore an autonomous war craft will dominate the sky for the twenty first century. That is where it is going, forget about the rest.
@FXWorldBeater -f22 was introduced into service in 2005,so how did it became 21 years...guess math of Americans itself is weak,so i can guess the standard of their fighters...
3D thrust vectoring of PAK FA seems amazing-10 times better than f22
@geoemm "f22 was introduced into service in 2005,so how did it became 21 years"
First flight of the YF-22 ( a prototype like the PAK FA is now) happened in 1990. Derp derp.
"3D thrust vectoring of PAK FA seems amazing-10 times better than f22"
Lol, no it aint dummy. The TVC nozzles built onto the saturn engines on have a +-15 degrees pitch deflection angle compared to the 20 degrees pitch of the F-22's nozzles.
TV Yaw control is absolutely useless in combat, only pitch is used.
Россия на 20 лет отстала от США в авиации! Когда Т-50 бедет сдан в серийное производство, то США будут уже иметь самолет 6-го поколения, укоторого скорость в 5 раз БОЛЬШЕ скорости звука и искусственный интеллект - НЕ надо человека-пилота! РОссия при без Свободы и Демократии, контроля народа за властью, без честных выборов и УМНОГО населения - ДЫРА!
we cant vote any plane dominant. but keep in mined the f-22 program has been cancelled. and for a damn good reason. and things look bright for the T-50 pak fa
@TheGhilliSniper "the f-22 program has been cancelled. and for a damn good reason"
Your first correct statement on this thread.... but the damn good reason was that nobody has an airforce anywhere near as effective as ours, an elite air dominance fighter is not needed when we already totally outclass every other airforce on the globe.
If you knew the truth about the technical design issues with the PAK FA, you'd know its not a real contender either.
@FXWorldBeater as i said i was stating that untill we see the problems with the pak fa we cant vote the f-22 or t-50 better. thanks for the video i had hoped that the f-22 and t-50 programs would be successful. its a shame really. the US gov thinks that the f-18,f-15,and f-16 needs to be replaced by some super outrages fighter, and i can agree that the US navel and air force pliots are the best in the world. but i can assure you all that i posted where true facts about the f-22
-already proven to be out manuvered, out matched, and out gunned against indian su-27,su-30, and su-35 aircraft during op red flag and op pacific vision
the fact is the plane sucks, not an opinion a fact. im not some "oh its cool to love russia and hate america even though im american" person. the fact is untill we see the problems with the pak fa
Huh, where did you get that number? We have 160 fully operational F-22's. 80 are configured for air to air, the rest are multirole.
-has a low payload
Umm, same load as the PAK FA, except it doesn't have to drop off its IR missile cover to fire a sidewinder.... this is a cludge that compromises the PAK FA's stealth massively.
"-already proven to be out manuvered, out matched, and out gunned against indian su-27,su-30, and su-35 aircraft during op red flag and op pacific vision"
Firstly, India only operates the Su-30.
Second, the Su-30 has never flown against the F-22 at red flag, it's has only faced F-16's and F-15's.
3rd The Pacific Vision exercise was a logistics exercise ( a board game) and didn't involve actual aircraft. But if you'd read the report like I have and want to quote the exchange rates for this... :) In pacific vision, one F-22 was shot down for every 25 flankers.
The airfield they were based at was mostly destroyed by cruise missiles in the first hour of the war and after annihilating hundreds of flankers, the F-22's ran out of fuel.
@TheGhilliSniper while we are talking about aircraft faults... There's 187 F-22's that have flown for decades with 10's of thousands of accrued flight hours. There have been 8 incidents total for the F-22 since 1987, 4 of them caused by an aircraft defect.
There are just 3 PAK FA's with about 200flight hours, so far one of them has blown its engine in front of cameras at MAKS and last week the tail of one broke, forcing them to ground one of the PAK FA's to borrow its tail.
PAK FA - 2 aircraft defects in 2 years compared to the F-22's 4 in 21 years .... Guess that makes the F-22 more than 5 times as reliable as the PAK FA then.
@FXWorldBeater Yet another stupid american. facepalm.jpg
This is a prototype in it's development. The F-22 had so many structural errors and mistakes in it's designs initially that they had to change the aircraft multiple times. They had many more problems and defects on the YF-22 program. To this day a fresh aircraft costing at a massive 430million per plane had 4 mistakes and multiple groundings. It's still buggy and unreliable aircraft. That's why it's never used to war yet.
Americans dont like the idea of another country surpassing there dominance in the skies , i am not against the F-22 its also one of my favorite planes BUT Russias technology has evolved and i think in this Generation they might Master the sky's but hey its just my opinion dont judge not to mention Russia's new designs they helped put in the Boeings.
@MayfairAve348 now its the year 2012 and the pak T-50 will be introduced in 2015
americans had their first stealth fighter jets in 1980's so maybe the russians made it to built a 5th generation fighter plane but americans are 2 step before maybe they are going to make or introduce some 6th 7th generation fighter jets
@TheGhilliSniper hey don't start shit. I've been following these aircraft since I was a kid. I do not feel the need to prove anything to you or getting into one of these stupid youtube arguments. Go start shit with someone else. WTF are you anyways,? Some kind of communist puke,? I don't care what you say after this. I'm not wasting my time with you.
@TheGhilliSniper An F-22 with an 8 SDB loadout is actually more effective than a fully loaded flanker... even better than an Su-34, forget about the PAK FA.
Flankers (and the PAK FA) can only carry 6 Standoff A2G PGM's at a time (kh-29's or 31's being the standard loadout) and with that loadout they can only engage from half the range of the F-22, cannot engage moving vehicles in cloudy weather like the F-22 and cannot launch all of their A2G missiles in 1 volley like the F-22.
An interesting and pretty aircraft. I like how Sukhoi refined its' design and relaxed the directional static stability. The undercarriage is of a high-sink rate type, which should provide it a nice STOL ability, if needed; to be tested later I will assume.
As for the electronics, as someone mentioned below. This is no "secret", it is being based off of the SU35S, with an AESA type radar, specifically the NIIP Tikhomirov N050 AESA radar.
@riflebore The nozzles are round because they vector 3-dimensionally, meaning they can rotate pretty much in any direction. This makes the aircraft highly manueverable. If they were geometric they would either vector 2-dimensionally or not at all.
People say copying is the sincerest form of flattery, and Russia must have been gosh darn flattered, making a plane that looks so much like the F-22 and YF-23
@121137az1 The plane is superior to the garbage F-22, which can't even withstand rain, let alone small arms fire. It suffers a critical failure every 1.7 hours, requires 30 hours of maintenance for every 1 hour of flight, is unable to communicate with any other war plane nearby, costs $356,000,000 for each plane, and is inferior to the Sukhoi following a PACAF Pacific Vision war game during which hundreds of F-22s and F-35s were destroyed by a few Sukhoi fighers
@AntiTroll101 sir I've seen with my own eyes the F-22 fly through rain. It doesn't suffer a critical failure every 1.7 hours as you claim, and does not require 30 hours of maintenece for every one hour of flight, and can communicate with planes up to 1,000 miles away. The PACAF war games consisted of 365 aircraft from 9 nations, with each nation able to put 40 aircraft into the games, making it impossible for hundreds of F-22's being shot down. Get your facts straight
@121137az1 Yeah I too have seen the Raptor fly through HEAVY rain no problem in California. Some foreign people talk mad crap on the Raptor and F-35 simply because the US made them, which to me is pathetic, they just want to reassure their insecure selves that their 2nd rate country is close to as good.
Holy crap..... does this fighter program get any funnier? Apparently T-50-2 was broken and they had to cannibalize T-50-1 for spare parts to keep the program working. T-50-1 is currently grounded due to having so many parts removed.
So an engine explosion as well as numerous broken parts so far .... NICE WORK RUSSIA!!!! I point and laugh at all you nuffies who spout that russian equipment is reliable.... HAHAHA at you!!
Why is retards saying its a thousand times better its not in production yet at least the f22 raptor is and you are stupid to think the f22 is useless i hope you are not in the usa military you can tell already that the jet is a piece of crap by looking at it
@bobbyraejohnson That's why everyone hates Americans. Because just like you, a lot of them judges things by their looks, and not by what they can do. :/
@Aizenvsanyonedontmix lol you crack me up you think everybody loves each other countries haha you should look at russia's history. Comparing a jet like that to the f 22 its a piece of shit and its different judging aircraft than a person a jet has to be aerodynamic you cant just say ya its good jet the jet has not accomplished anything it hasnt gone into production. i could give a rats ass what you think i know the f22 will shoot it out of the sky someday
Seeing that the US Government is trying to cut its budget i think the F-22 is a useless machine. Its cost of 150 million USD per unit can be spent elsewhere for a lot more benefit. Or you could take that 150 million saved and PAY BACK YOUR DEBT!
The US better hope that they can produce an advanced hypersonic beyond visual range air-to-air missile that is highly accurate and maneuverable, if not, they might as well scrap the JSF now, it has no chance against this extremely agile and stealthy PAK FA!
@schneckenwilly a thousand times better you better hope russia doesnt have pilots like you be stupid to think so the t 50 hasnt done shit its not in production so right now its nothing. of a challenge to the f22 raptor. well because for one the f22 raptor is in production
@TheTopBloke Russia has no more need for the T-50 than America has for the F-22 at the moment. Go ahead all call the F-22 a POS, your only making a fool out of yourself. So if you're arguing against the F-22 being "useful" then your just arguing against yourself.
Russia has no more need for the T-50 than America has for the F-22 at the moment. Go ahead all call the F-22 a POS, your only making a fool out of yourself. So if you're arguing against the F-22 being "useful" then your just arguing against yourself.
Zero stealth capability. All of this maneuverability means nothing when the aircraft can still be detected by radar and shot down. Of course it's more aesthetically pleasing, lighter, more maneuverable?, has longer range, etc. But no stealth. They copied the general design of the F-22 aesthetically, but it lacks the bread and butter of the F-22: stealth capability. Air combat is no longer close range people. This plane will be shot down hundreds of miles away by an F-22 that went unseen on radar
@HaveFunEatingIt well actually the f22 raptor wont shoot it down because its not in production hahaha russians think we overly confident when actually we just know that the f22 raptor will beat the t50 ass when ever it is in production
Beautiful plane, I just hope it doesn't get 'Tomcat-itis' and start showing sympathetic engine stalls with them spaced that wide with so little vertical surface.
While I'll agree it may be a cheaper and potentially superior performing aircraft to the F-22, it would quite plainly be smacked out of the sky by one from about 100 miles. The latter is designed to engage and destroy before aero performance matters (not that it's a slouch though).
Если бы мы сами у себя это закупали,то сосите вы все!! Но,всё разработано,а в армии нет всех этих разработок.Старьё одно.Наши то хуеплёты экономят на всём.
For all of you guys calling the f22 a piece of shit. This aircraft wouldn't exist in its current form if it wasn't for the development of the f22. It is a continuation of our old prototype, and while it is better it is not a NEW concept. I love both the Pak Fa and the f22, and the creators of both these planes deserve some respect.
@ilvin27 Yeah sorry, that wasnt funny at all and i mean really, you did say " I have one word for you 'super cruize' " I think that's laughable enough to warrant me taking the piss out of you. As for the vodka, meh i didnt mind it in my 20's, now i prefer Scotch, thanks for your interest though. Now, i have "one" word for you .
" Brain Dead"
( See what i did there? That's right, i did that.)
@Mattc23q hmmm ur dumb russians were the first to start using fly by wire tech and russian planes that were designed in the 80s are better in avionics and are better planes su-37 which was a test bed for this play is the best plane ever build
@TheValmalakhov Your a russian, what you say is invalid because your going to be biased towards your country, the American F-14 tomcat was the first production Jet aircraft to feature electronics to that of a fly by wire system
@kcjgray Even if it was the F-16 (which i doubt, because they tested the F-16's avionics on a F-14 tomcat base) it was still before any other country used them, the F-16 entered service in 1979,
@Mattc23q не все такие как вы пишете.но суть вашего поста выражена верно.я к примеру понимаю отсталость РФ от США на 50лет.а вот дура-патритоты до сих пор в танки верят.это уже диагноз их лечить надо
F-35 uses VTOL technology from the Russian jet Yakovlev Yak-141 Freestyle, considering that the F-35 will be the main fighter jet of the US air force in the future thats if they can take out another loan to buy it and get more debt on top of the 14 trillion already owned then the US airforce basically copied Russia, PAK FA has not a copy and only idiots would say it is, anyone who knows Soviet avaition history knows that Russia can produce planes as good and even better than American planes.
@07nAikon yeah but its less stealthier which ur gonna need when a load of aa missiles is flying at your ass. no matter what the guy with more stealth wins the missile fight
@07nAikon You are terribly misinformed. If this plane, or any fighter plane for that matter, flies 1.5 times the speed of the F-22, it well literally melt and fall into pieces. I can see the PAK-FA being equal to the F-22, but not superior. Stop reading APA and fanboyism and maybe learn some aerodynamics...
@TheTopBloke Ok if the F-22 is, for now, the best fighter in the world and its shit, then what does that make this jet? The F-22 is a gorgeous airplane and there's no reason what so ever for calling it the "craptor" as every almost every Russian likes too. If you going to criticize a an aircraft, bring up valid agrument, not immature comments. I support the F-22 all the way and I have to say the T-50 is nice looking and has great potential.
@Direwolf56 Let's put it this way... if your car broke down constantly would you call it a piece of shit? The F-22 has loads of problems and it's not worth the cost, therefore, it is a piece of shit.
@TheTopBloke Most of what people belive to be problems with the F-22 are misunderstandings that the airforce has corrected people on. Most notably was when the Washington Post trashed talked it arrogantly without knowing what the hell they were talking about. Theres a video of that posted by Strider7 you should look up. Yeah it isn't perfect but don't expect your newest aviation technology to be problem free, even with them having our mistakes to learn from.
@Direwolf56 WHAT??? Ok, I'll just assume for the sake of argument the problems aren't that bad. But don't tell me I shouldn't expect it to be perfect. It damn well better be for the money it's costing me, especially when I won't ever get the privilege of flying the damned thing myself. I could have several expendable pilots and platforms for the cash it's costing to see some precious POS they'll avoid using because it's too expensive, too risky a mission, and a great capture for the enemy.
@TheTopBloke It's NOT going to be perfect, its called reality, get used to it. The F-22 is expected to see combat in the future, and with the upgrades and impovents that are being made, the soon-to-be F-22 will be able to kick the snot out of the one today. And as of now, why send an F-22 to do a job the A-10's and F-15's are more equipped for? If one gets shot down this its not a major deal. It's not like the US is seeing alot of air to air combat at the moment anyways.
@Direwolf56 Exactly... why not send an A-10 or an F-15? We don't need the F-22 POS. It's just another welfare program for the military industrial complex. It's a useless waste of money. That's reality.
@Direwolf56 I know as a fact those maneuvers they did in the Air force where just for show and not Fully demonstrating it's TRUE capabilities. They don't want anyone to know.
@Direwolf56 They can talks shit all they want. We've never seen the two go up head to head (and hopefully we never will) But those who criticize the F22 are nothing more than retards who have NEVER sat in the cockpit of one and probably NEVER WILL. There is still not that much known about the F22 besides some Info given about it's basic components (armaments, engines, Radar). But we really don't know how many specific parts are inside both Aircraft and what it's true capabilities are.
@Suyamu You can be disappointed but number don't like and design doesn't either. But u might be right, the characteristic of PAKFA doesn't resemble YF-23 because it barely looks stealth. It looks like MOD- SU-37 . Though I think SU-37 has the best air frame for maneuverability. So that's what I had in mind.
@Suyamu, LOL, gamers... ahh. No, I study airframes via aviation designs books and articles and aerospace engineer from San Luis Obispo CA State U. Something like that. GAMERS .. LOL!
@07nAikon F-22's got the radar cross-section of a bird, and high vibrations make it practically invisible from the ground, the f-22 is also almost 20 years old, and is way past the prototype stage...
@Mattc23q Uh... 20 years why don't you try more like 13 since the first prototype took flight, and then 6 since they worked out all of the kinks and put it into service. Besides the raptor is being put on the back shelf. it's too expensive to make one and maitain it, while the PAK-FA as it stands costs but 1/3 the price of an F-22. it has also been one of the longest most expensive fighter projects on record, the first prtotype, YF-22 was made in the late 80s for god sake. Pak-Fa in less than 10
@matrin2 the F-22 was flying in 1992, and the PAK-FA draws most of its design features from the F-22, so you fucking russians are a bunch of copycats, but what else would I expect from a bunch of dumbshit ignorant fucks who mass produce shitty weaponry.
@Mattc23q First off i'm American, second your the ignorant one. The F-22, it may be better in certain areas, is too expensive to be plausible in an all out conflict, which is why we are going to transition to the more economical F-35. Russia, in case you havn't noticed, is leaps and bounds ahead of the US in just about every other military depatment. The AK 107 is so much better than the M-16 A4 and their "shitty mass produce weaponry" has been better than ours since the early 80s.
@Mattc23q Russian SAM systems are so much better than ours. They have the SA-21 Growler as their Heavy anti missle defense while we havn't upgraded ours since the late 70s. the T-90 kicks the shit out of the Abrams tank, while being just as well armored, fast, and has just as much fire power. its smaller, cheaper, uses less fuel giving it more range and is faster to produce. they also have the better non-stealth aircraft. the Su-2/35 and the Mig29K can easily beat our aging F-16 and F-15 fleet.
@matrin2 T-90 isnt equally armoured, they have the thickest armour at the front but for the rear and sides it's the same used on the BMP-2 and BMP-1 series APC's, as for SAMS i dont think any russian would be able to penetrate american airspace without a Squadron of F-16's on full afterburn behind it so that pretty much eliminates the need for sams to shoot down incoming russian jets, and as for missiles america has the Patriot system which can destroy missiles in the upper atmosphere, good day.
@Mattc23q Uh hey buddy you know that squadron of F-16's are pretty much outclassed by all of Russia's frontline fighters u know just sayin. And where do you get your numbers for the T-90s side and rear armor, because i'm pretty sure it isn't equivalent to the 30mm of armor on BMPs. The patriot System is old and out dated and way out classed by soviet made S-300 batteries and Russia's S-400 batteries. Also did you know that a flight of Russian Backfire Bombers is faster and can outrun F-16/15s.
@matrin2 F-16 Could destroy the Mig-29, mig-25 and mig-31, and the F-15 could destroy the Su-27 and Su-30, and the F-22 could destroy the Su-35
and the Tu-160 has a maximum speed of 2,300 km p/h, the F-22 Has a maximum speed of 2,410 km p/h and the F-15 has a high altitude max speed of 2,660 km p/h not to mention the Sidewinder missile travels at mach 2.5.
@Mattc23q When did I say anything about the Mig 25, a plane in limited service, and the mig-31. They are not fighters they are interceptors and they are what would kick the shit out of our Bombers if we tried to invade Russian airspace. The F-16 isn't that great of a fighter, the mig-29 would have no problems beating it in a fight. I also don't think you got the point when I said that the Su-27 and the F-15 are pretty evenly matched with a slight advantage in the Su-27s favor.
@Mattc23q all of these planes can also shoot down an F-22 in a dog fight, not easily, but what i'm trying to get across is that if they lose 1or 2 maybe even 3 of any combination of those planes, but shoot down 1 F-22 or maybe 2, there goes 150 or 300 million dollars. While Russia loses at around the 90 million-110 million range.
@Mattc23q also, since you don't know much about russian air doctrine, those Tu22m's i was talking about usually carry 3-6 cruise missles that they can launch well before our planes can get out to intercept them. So that leaves much of our costal instalations very exposed. They launch, usually a group of about 30 planes or more, about 90-150 missles, turn around and go to full afterburner making a clean get away with no loss. Also the sidewinder is a close range infaread missle, flares counter it
@matrin2 "turn around full afterburner and make a clean getaway", the Tu-22m with a maximum load of 3 Kh-22 missiles has a maximum combat radius of 2,420km.
The distance from Vladivostok to California is roughly 7000 kilometres, which is four times the range of the tu-22m which would mean they would need a Aerial tanker, and since they wont allow an aerial tanker within 1000 kilometres of america because it would be a chew toy for F-16's, that makes your hypothetical mission impossible
@Mattc23q why go from vladivlastock to california when they only have to go from Bases on the Kamchatka peninsula to washington, and oregon. The Su-27 is also capable of escorting the Il-78's that would refuel them. Also the Tu-22m can carry a cruise missle that allows it to fire it off from over 2000 km from the target. So yeah, and once again those F-16s aren't going to do shit against a squadren of su-27's. Can you at least admit that Russian air defenses are better than Ours because they are
@matrin2 Nothing can be said until an actual encounter occurs....and I highly doubt any successful raid can be made on one's own turf without stealth or absolutely massive numbers, sorry.
@HaveFunEatingIt I think that is something we can all agree to. all this really has been is speculation and as it has been shown in the past what may look good statistically or on paper doesn't always work out in practice. This is though also true with stealth, because it to has shown in the past that it isn't the end all to radar detection. Stealth, like most other things made since the end of World War 2, hasn't really had a chance to prove it self in a major conflict between 2 major contries
@matrin2 Your contradicting yourself, they wouldnt be able to fit 1 tu-22m at Kamchatka, let alone 30, and their missiles (kh22) cant travel more then 600km, and the su-27 isnt better then the f-16, Only an anti american faggot like you would think that, your providing no proof that Russia is better then america, I think I'd know a bit more then you looking at your channel.
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tired of hearing you russian idiots talking about your glorious PAK-FA. Sukhoi was never the best ever and it never will be. America has always had the best and always will and you know it. By the time that load of crap you call an f-35 killer finally comes out. Our great country would have already built six gen aircraft. in other words... SPACE BABY
cdudetheassassin 2 weeks ago
Sorry guys but American technologies has left the manned air craft ideology they are still behind us. Leme-splane it to ya. An unmanned war craft is smaller, harder to see and first to fire. Also there is now capability to identify enemy aircraft from a great distance without visual contact, therefore an autonomous war craft will dominate the sky for the twenty first century. That is where it is going, forget about the rest.
squacher 1 month ago
@squacher youtube.com/watch?v=xd4vGszQhJw
81sci 2 weeks ago
its a f22 all they did was move the air intaks that is all
sertox12345 1 month ago
copy of our stuff what are you now china
sertox12345 1 month ago
@sertox12345 its not a copy..........
sovietskies69 1 month ago
@sertox12345 its a russian aircraft smartass.
USSWISCONSIN64 3 weeks ago
WAKE UP YOU IDIOTS THE COLD WAR IS OVER
bna0001 1 month ago
@FXWorldBeater -f22 was introduced into service in 2005,so how did it became 21 years...guess math of Americans itself is weak,so i can guess the standard of their fighters...
3D thrust vectoring of PAK FA seems amazing-10 times better than f22
geoemm 1 month ago
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@geoemm "f22 was introduced into service in 2005,so how did it became 21 years"
First flight of the YF-22 ( a prototype like the PAK FA is now) happened in 1990. Derp derp.
"3D thrust vectoring of PAK FA seems amazing-10 times better than f22"
Lol, no it aint dummy. The TVC nozzles built onto the saturn engines on have a +-15 degrees pitch deflection angle compared to the 20 degrees pitch of the F-22's nozzles.
TV Yaw control is absolutely useless in combat, only pitch is used.
FXWorldBeater 1 month ago
Beautiful fighter
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Россия на 20 лет отстала от США в авиации! Когда Т-50 бедет сдан в серийное производство, то США будут уже иметь самолет 6-го поколения, укоторого скорость в 5 раз БОЛЬШЕ скорости звука и искусственный интеллект - НЕ надо человека-пилота! РОссия при без Свободы и Демократии, контроля народа за властью, без честных выборов и УМНОГО населения - ДЫРА!
pravdorez077 1 month ago
Russia always copies sf or instance thier whole lin of mig aircraf were copied from us but this is different
The707NaTiVe 1 month ago
@The707NaTiVe За базар ответишь??
Sony45ful 1 month ago
correction: $350,000,000
TheGhilliSniper 1 month ago
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we cant vote any plane dominant. but keep in mined the f-22 program has been cancelled. and for a damn good reason. and things look bright for the T-50 pak fa
TheGhilliSniper 1 month ago
@TheGhilliSniper "the f-22 program has been cancelled. and for a damn good reason"
Your first correct statement on this thread.... but the damn good reason was that nobody has an airforce anywhere near as effective as ours, an elite air dominance fighter is not needed when we already totally outclass every other airforce on the globe.
If you knew the truth about the technical design issues with the PAK FA, you'd know its not a real contender either.
FXWorldBeater 1 month ago
@FXWorldBeater as i said i was stating that untill we see the problems with the pak fa we cant vote the f-22 or t-50 better. thanks for the video i had hoped that the f-22 and t-50 programs would be successful. its a shame really. the US gov thinks that the f-18,f-15,and f-16 needs to be replaced by some super outrages fighter, and i can agree that the US navel and air force pliots are the best in the world. but i can assure you all that i posted where true facts about the f-22
TheGhilliSniper 1 month ago
@TheGhilliSniper "but i can assure you all that i posted where true facts about the f-22"
No they weren't...I addressed each of your points if you scroll down. Pretty much all of them were way off.
FXWorldBeater 1 month ago
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-oxygen bay has failed mutiple times
-out of the 183 bought only 50 or so still work
-has a low payload
-no air to ground capabilities
-already proven to be out manuvered, out matched, and out gunned against indian su-27,su-30, and su-35 aircraft during op red flag and op pacific vision
the fact is the plane sucks, not an opinion a fact. im not some "oh its cool to love russia and hate america even though im american" person. the fact is untill we see the problems with the pak fa
TheGhilliSniper 1 month ago
@TheGhilliSniper
"out of the 183 bought only 50 or so still work"
Huh, where did you get that number? We have 160 fully operational F-22's. 80 are configured for air to air, the rest are multirole.
-has a low payload
Umm, same load as the PAK FA, except it doesn't have to drop off its IR missile cover to fire a sidewinder.... this is a cludge that compromises the PAK FA's stealth massively.
-no air to ground capabilities
Ummm really? tinyu rl. com/6lmd77c
FXWorldBeater 1 month ago
@TheGhilliSniper and of course there's this pearl of yours....
"-already proven to be out manuvered, out matched, and out gunned against indian su-27,su-30, and su-35 aircraft during op red flag and op pacific vision"
Firstly, India only operates the Su-30.
Second, the Su-30 has never flown against the F-22 at red flag, it's has only faced F-16's and F-15's.
tbc...
FXWorldBeater 1 month ago
@TheGhilliSniper ...cont...
3rd The Pacific Vision exercise was a logistics exercise ( a board game) and didn't involve actual aircraft. But if you'd read the report like I have and want to quote the exchange rates for this... :) In pacific vision, one F-22 was shot down for every 25 flankers.
The airfield they were based at was mostly destroyed by cruise missiles in the first hour of the war and after annihilating hundreds of flankers, the F-22's ran out of fuel.
FXWorldBeater 1 month ago
@TheGhilliSniper while we are talking about aircraft faults... There's 187 F-22's that have flown for decades with 10's of thousands of accrued flight hours. There have been 8 incidents total for the F-22 since 1987, 4 of them caused by an aircraft defect.
There are just 3 PAK FA's with about 200flight hours, so far one of them has blown its engine in front of cameras at MAKS and last week the tail of one broke, forcing them to ground one of the PAK FA's to borrow its tail.
FXWorldBeater 1 month ago
@FXWorldBeater 1987 ? Pretty sure the first flight of it was in 1997. Could have been a prototype back then ?
ogi415 1 month ago
@ogi415 YF-22 first flight 1987 .... it was a prototype, like the PAK FA is.
FXWorldBeater 1 month ago
@FXWorldBeater
взорвался двигатель?!!?! WTF&!
вы фантаст или слепой? вы знаете как это происшествие называется?
не выдавайте желаемое за действительное.
RussBETEP 1 month ago
@TheGhilliSniper ENJOY!!!
russianplanes. net/images/to62000/061725. jpg
watch?v=RoXqG45ThYA
PAK FA - 2 aircraft defects in 2 years compared to the F-22's 4 in 21 years .... Guess that makes the F-22 more than 5 times as reliable as the PAK FA then.
FXWorldBeater 1 month ago
@FXWorldBeater Yet another stupid american. facepalm.jpg
This is a prototype in it's development. The F-22 had so many structural errors and mistakes in it's designs initially that they had to change the aircraft multiple times. They had many more problems and defects on the YF-22 program. To this day a fresh aircraft costing at a massive 430million per plane had 4 mistakes and multiple groundings. It's still buggy and unreliable aircraft. That's why it's never used to war yet.
ANimouz 1 month ago
@ANimouz "To this day a fresh aircraft costing at a massive 430million per plane had 4 mistakes and multiple groundings"
$430 million, wow you chumps seem to increment it every time you discuss it :)
FXWorldBeater 1 month ago
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lets name the problems of the raptor shall we
-skin corrodes in rain
-no comunications with other aircraft
-once the plane turns on its radar it can be detected
-suffers a critical error every 1 hour of flight
-requires 30 or more hours of maintenance for every 1 hour of flight
-never flone a combat mission due to very light armor and can be taken down by small arms fire
-costs $350,000 dollers (the same as 2 dozen f-16's
-canopy has failed to open and has traped and killed several pliots
TheGhilliSniper 1 month ago
@TheGhilliSniper just 350 000 dollars ? one of them costs 150 million ...
ogi415 1 month ago
@ogi415 i corrected that already
TheGhilliSniper 1 month ago
lets name the problems of the raptor shall we
-skin corrodes in rain
-no comunications with other aircraft
-once the plane turns on its radar it can be detected
-suffers a critical error every 1 hour of flight
-requires 30 or more hours of maintenance for every 1 hour of flight
-never flone a combat mission due to very light armor and can be taken down by small arms fire
-costs $350,000 dollers (the same as 2 dozen f-16's
-canopy has failed to open and has traped and killed several pliots
TheGhilliSniper 1 month ago
Americans dont like the idea of another country surpassing there dominance in the skies , i am not against the F-22 its also one of my favorite planes BUT Russias technology has evolved and i think in this Generation they might Master the sky's but hey its just my opinion dont judge not to mention Russia's new designs they helped put in the Boeings.
MayfairAve348 1 month ago 5
@MayfairAve348 now its the year 2012 and the pak T-50 will be introduced in 2015
americans had their first stealth fighter jets in 1980's so maybe the russians made it to built a 5th generation fighter plane but americans are 2 step before maybe they are going to make or introduce some 6th 7th generation fighter jets
Dielloncheee 1 month ago
@Dielloncheee Correction 1960's.
ESC8781 1 month ago
@Dielloncheee 7th gen? Get real dude. 6th gen is still in concept stages, and btw there are 5 nations including Russia developing 6th gen
sovietskies69 1 month ago
Just like in the 80's, they totally copied our designs but the technology wasn't even close, lol.
EyeRonin 1 month ago
@EyeRonin yet you probably cant name more than one one technical aspect of ether aircraft
TheGhilliSniper 1 month ago
@TheGhilliSniper hey don't start shit. I've been following these aircraft since I was a kid. I do not feel the need to prove anything to you or getting into one of these stupid youtube arguments. Go start shit with someone else. WTF are you anyways,? Some kind of communist puke,? I don't care what you say after this. I'm not wasting my time with you.
EyeRonin 1 month ago
@EyeRonin lol just using reason insead of some childhood bias
TheGhilliSniper 1 month ago
@TheGhilliSniper An F-22 with an 8 SDB loadout is actually more effective than a fully loaded flanker... even better than an Su-34, forget about the PAK FA.
Flankers (and the PAK FA) can only carry 6 Standoff A2G PGM's at a time (kh-29's or 31's being the standard loadout) and with that loadout they can only engage from half the range of the F-22, cannot engage moving vehicles in cloudy weather like the F-22 and cannot launch all of their A2G missiles in 1 volley like the F-22.
FXWorldBeater 1 month ago
You saw it where in your dreams ??
TheKifinas 1 month ago
looks aesthetically very uglier compared to f-22 or j-20..very hopefully it'll compensate with functionality
availablehage 1 month ago
beautiful!
ZARBOMBA 1 month ago
красавчик
125wassa 1 month ago
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An interesting and pretty aircraft. I like how Sukhoi refined its' design and relaxed the directional static stability. The undercarriage is of a high-sink rate type, which should provide it a nice STOL ability, if needed; to be tested later I will assume.
As for the electronics, as someone mentioned below. This is no "secret", it is being based off of the SU35S, with an AESA type radar, specifically the NIIP Tikhomirov N050 AESA radar.
The cold war is long over. Deal with it.
tzebra 2 months ago
Wish the PAK FA T50's exhaust nozzle had a better design; like using geometrical shapes instead of the usual rounded ones for example. =]
riflebore 2 months ago
@riflebore The nozzles are round because they vector 3-dimensionally, meaning they can rotate pretty much in any direction. This makes the aircraft highly manueverable. If they were geometric they would either vector 2-dimensionally or not at all.
AntiTroll101 2 months ago
People say copying is the sincerest form of flattery, and Russia must have been gosh darn flattered, making a plane that looks so much like the F-22 and YF-23
121137az1 2 months ago
@121137az1 The plane is superior to the garbage F-22, which can't even withstand rain, let alone small arms fire. It suffers a critical failure every 1.7 hours, requires 30 hours of maintenance for every 1 hour of flight, is unable to communicate with any other war plane nearby, costs $356,000,000 for each plane, and is inferior to the Sukhoi following a PACAF Pacific Vision war game during which hundreds of F-22s and F-35s were destroyed by a few Sukhoi fighers
AntiTroll101 2 months ago
@AntiTroll101 sir I've seen with my own eyes the F-22 fly through rain. It doesn't suffer a critical failure every 1.7 hours as you claim, and does not require 30 hours of maintenece for every one hour of flight, and can communicate with planes up to 1,000 miles away. The PACAF war games consisted of 365 aircraft from 9 nations, with each nation able to put 40 aircraft into the games, making it impossible for hundreds of F-22's being shot down. Get your facts straight
121137az1 2 months ago
@121137az1 Yeah I too have seen the Raptor fly through HEAVY rain no problem in California. Some foreign people talk mad crap on the Raptor and F-35 simply because the US made them, which to me is pathetic, they just want to reassure their insecure selves that their 2nd rate country is close to as good.
BAACCOOOOCk 1 month ago
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Holy crap..... does this fighter program get any funnier? Apparently T-50-2 was broken and they had to cannibalize T-50-1 for spare parts to keep the program working. T-50-1 is currently grounded due to having so many parts removed.
So an engine explosion as well as numerous broken parts so far .... NICE WORK RUSSIA!!!! I point and laugh at all you nuffies who spout that russian equipment is reliable.... HAHAHA at you!!
tinyu rl. com/d32wzh3
FXWorldBeater 1 month ago
@AntiTroll101 wishful thinking troll
yurikomuro 1 month ago
@redbaroniii You must not know about usa. Do some reading before you make an ass of yourself.
GalaxysDreams 2 months ago
It's similar on look to the blackwidow - the powerplants are different though
yellowlght 2 months ago
@yellowlght At first glance
VertebrumPreyer 2 months ago
And by the way we gave yall this tech, this plane was made from blueprints from the McDonald Douglas YF-23 "an american prototype fighter, so yea.
AGeiisz 2 months ago
F-22's avionics r Superior its a fact. sorry to burst yalls bubble ruskies
AGeiisz 2 months ago
@AGeiisz do you happen to know what kind of electronis are inside the pak fa? well no because they arent unclassified yet
meee2014 2 months ago
@AGeiisz what? your eng. is poor.
videohost199 2 months ago
@AGeiisz Its a garbage plane, that's why its never seen combat. BECAUSE IT IS NOT COMBAT READY!
AntiTroll101 2 months ago
F-22 was the biggest blunder in American Aviation history.
Rasmorak 2 months ago
@Rasmorak why? they stollen it from Russians!!!
videohost199 2 months ago
Well I must say it is nice to see someone wanted the yf-23. Now watch it hand the f-22 it's ass. If they ever unground the damn things.
2ndRCHAret 2 months ago
Why is retards saying its a thousand times better its not in production yet at least the f22 raptor is and you are stupid to think the f22 is useless i hope you are not in the usa military you can tell already that the jet is a piece of crap by looking at it
bobbyraejohnson 2 months ago
@bobbyraejohnson That's why everyone hates Americans. Because just like you, a lot of them judges things by their looks, and not by what they can do. :/
Aizenvsanyonedontmix 2 months ago
@Aizenvsanyonedontmix lol you crack me up you think everybody loves each other countries haha you should look at russia's history. Comparing a jet like that to the f 22 its a piece of shit and its different judging aircraft than a person a jet has to be aerodynamic you cant just say ya its good jet the jet has not accomplished anything it hasnt gone into production. i could give a rats ass what you think i know the f22 will shoot it out of the sky someday
bobbyraejohnson 2 months ago
@bobbyraejohnson If that's what you think it's ok with me. But I think it will be the closest thing to the f22.
Aizenvsanyonedontmix 2 months ago
Seeing that the US Government is trying to cut its budget i think the F-22 is a useless machine. Its cost of 150 million USD per unit can be spent elsewhere for a lot more benefit. Or you could take that 150 million saved and PAY BACK YOUR DEBT!
contemporarymonk 2 months ago
@contemporarymonk kinda hard... the debt is over $15 trillion... you would need to save on 100,000 F-22s to repay the debt..
DrKillaser 2 months ago
@DrKillaser true, but you got to start somewhere. I'd rather see the army face cuts over welfare.
contemporarymonk 2 months ago
@contemporarymonk Cut welfare by 50% and you have only touched the corruption of the system
redbaroniii 2 months ago
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The US better hope that they can produce an advanced hypersonic beyond visual range air-to-air missile that is highly accurate and maneuverable, if not, they might as well scrap the JSF now, it has no chance against this extremely agile and stealthy PAK FA!
TheKingnek 2 months ago
This Thing is thousend Times better than the 22 raptor
schneckenwilly 3 months ago
@schneckenwilly
lol.... russian just gonna go and say shit cause its his own country... First off its not until we see a dogfight so neither is better.. 2nd stfu
PRlMEHUNTER 3 months ago
@schneckenwilly a thousand times better you better hope russia doesnt have pilots like you be stupid to think so the t 50 hasnt done shit its not in production so right now its nothing. of a challenge to the f22 raptor. well because for one the f22 raptor is in production
bobbyraejohnson 2 months ago
Yeah, I'm the pilot who flew the PAK-FA in this video :)
I can tell you kids now that it will beat ANYTHING in the skies.
SmashingYouIn 3 months ago
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@TheTopBloke Russia has no more need for the T-50 than America has for the F-22 at the moment. Go ahead all call the F-22 a POS, your only making a fool out of yourself. So if you're arguing against the F-22 being "useful" then your just arguing against yourself.
Direwolf56 3 months ago
Ive always liked russian Jets better...and thats saying something being that I work on US Fighters for a living...
EviLotus01 3 months ago
Russia has no more need for the T-50 than America has for the F-22 at the moment. Go ahead all call the F-22 a POS, your only making a fool out of yourself. So if you're arguing against the F-22 being "useful" then your just arguing against yourself.
Direwolf56 3 months ago
stolen technologies rules))
MegaKara82 3 months ago
0:32 (pats plane and says) " good girl"
Nekito16 3 months ago
Zero stealth capability. All of this maneuverability means nothing when the aircraft can still be detected by radar and shot down. Of course it's more aesthetically pleasing, lighter, more maneuverable?, has longer range, etc. But no stealth. They copied the general design of the F-22 aesthetically, but it lacks the bread and butter of the F-22: stealth capability. Air combat is no longer close range people. This plane will be shot down hundreds of miles away by an F-22 that went unseen on radar
HaveFunEatingIt 3 months ago
@HaveFunEatingIt "Air combat is no longer close range". Hmm, where have I heard that before?
TheTopBloke 3 months ago
@HaveFunEatingIt well actually the f22 raptor wont shoot it down because its not in production hahaha russians think we overly confident when actually we just know that the f22 raptor will beat the t50 ass when ever it is in production
bobbyraejohnson 2 months ago
It's the pentagon's nightmare... Rest in peace Fail-22 Craptor...
RAlphaOne 3 months ago
Beautiful plane, I just hope it doesn't get 'Tomcat-itis' and start showing sympathetic engine stalls with them spaced that wide with so little vertical surface.
While I'll agree it may be a cheaper and potentially superior performing aircraft to the F-22, it would quite plainly be smacked out of the sky by one from about 100 miles. The latter is designed to engage and destroy before aero performance matters (not that it's a slouch though).
Ranzear 3 months ago
gotta love those russians
zombieX111222333 3 months ago
F-22 The American? LOL
Technology of reflection of radio-waves - the Soviet invention (Peter Ufimtsev, 60th years - a mathematical method of diffraction of radio-waves).
Technology of radio absorbing materials investigated and Germans in days of IIWW have started to apply.
Effective technologists of a rejected vector of nozzle the USA have stolen from the USSR.
The electronics, the navigating equipment - work of scientists-emigrants which weren't trained and didn't develop talent in the USA. Ets
19810101PR 4 months ago 15
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@19810101PR no russia didnt invent it they tried and failed
oh gps american radar uk and usa had thrust vectoring first on missiles so dont be a bulll shiter
USAmilitarypower 3 months ago
@19810101PR The plan was made in AMERICA, built by AMERICANS, and is flown by the AMERICAN airforce.
just because yall russian faggots are jealous of the Americans, doesnt mean you can try and down talk us.
go drink some more vodka vladmir.
Mattc23q 3 months ago
Soon as i saw the guy pressing buttons in the cockpit. I realize this plane is far less than any Raptor. I like the exhaust nozzles, not so stealthy.
tisoy909 4 months ago
@tisoy909 So F22 doesn't have any buttons? Its computer reads the pilot's mind? Go back to sleep retard.
copehaha 3 months ago
Если бы мы сами у себя это закупали,то сосите вы все!! Но,всё разработано,а в армии нет всех этих разработок.Старьё одно.Наши то хуеплёты экономят на всём.
Spartak828282 4 months ago
Красавец!!!
RuVikS 4 months ago
@MrDelusionalClown you aint american nice try asshole.
ilvin27 4 months ago
damn, as much as china produces some crap...this is one sweet looking plane.
simvegas 4 months ago
@simvegas lol i thought i was looking at the j-20 :p
simvegas 4 months ago
englishrussiadotcom/2010/02/14/russian-or-not-russian, for the blind who think russia doesn't copy...
MrOldCrow 4 months ago
For all of you guys calling the f22 a piece of shit. This aircraft wouldn't exist in its current form if it wasn't for the development of the f22. It is a continuation of our old prototype, and while it is better it is not a NEW concept. I love both the Pak Fa and the f22, and the creators of both these planes deserve some respect.
1337wafflezz 4 months ago
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@1337wafflezz
Let me see, you are an american?
GFOgravedigger 4 months ago
all this america haters LOL, i got one word for you (SUPER CRUSE) that jet might me faster then the f22 but can it sustain supersonic speed?
ilvin27 4 months ago
@ilvin27 I don't mean to alarm you but super cruise is two words. Sorry to ruin your day. Stop eating crayons, kid.
Antifaith29 4 months ago
@Antifaith29 and you stop drinking so much vodka thats a common error, and you are the kid disrespecting somebody you dont even know on the internet.
ilvin27 4 months ago
@ilvin27 Yeah sorry, that wasnt funny at all and i mean really, you did say " I have one word for you 'super cruize' " I think that's laughable enough to warrant me taking the piss out of you. As for the vodka, meh i didnt mind it in my 20's, now i prefer Scotch, thanks for your interest though. Now, i have "one" word for you .
" Brain Dead"
( See what i did there? That's right, i did that.)
Antifaith29 4 months ago
0:32 "good boy, good boy"
dantemn 4 months ago
All you Russians are stupid, Honestly.
Your comparing a plane that hasn't even entered production yet, with a Fly By Wire, Full production American plane, which was designed in the 90's.
You havent contributed to the design or production of this plane, So it doesnt give you a right to criticise any other planes.
Fucking children and the internet.
Mattc23q 4 months ago
@Mattc23q hmmm ur dumb russians were the first to start using fly by wire tech and russian planes that were designed in the 80s are better in avionics and are better planes su-37 which was a test bed for this play is the best plane ever build
TheValmalakhov 4 months ago
@TheValmalakhov Your a russian, what you say is invalid because your going to be biased towards your country, the American F-14 tomcat was the first production Jet aircraft to feature electronics to that of a fly by wire system
Mattc23q 4 months ago
@Mattc23q It was actually the F-16
kcjgray 3 months ago
@kcjgray Even if it was the F-16 (which i doubt, because they tested the F-16's avionics on a F-14 tomcat base) it was still before any other country used them, the F-16 entered service in 1979,
Mattc23q 3 months ago
@Mattc23q не все такие как вы пишете.но суть вашего поста выражена верно.я к примеру понимаю отсталость РФ от США на 50лет.а вот дура-патритоты до сих пор в танки верят.это уже диагноз их лечить надо
silentfisher67 4 months ago
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Only those who are not familiar with aviation can say that T-50 copy of the F-22.
MrDenLion 4 months ago
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MrDenLion 4 months ago
Tap, tap. Kick, kick. Huummm. Thumb up. Real guyXD
flutteringleaf 4 months ago
i like how the russian pilot spanking the cone of the aircraft before flying it. He's spanking it like a baby !.
siregaribra 4 months ago
F-35 uses VTOL technology from the Russian jet Yakovlev Yak-141 Freestyle, considering that the F-35 will be the main fighter jet of the US air force in the future thats if they can take out another loan to buy it and get more debt on top of the 14 trillion already owned then the US airforce basically copied Russia, PAK FA has not a copy and only idiots would say it is, anyone who knows Soviet avaition history knows that Russia can produce planes as good and even better than American planes.
RaaGoneFishing 4 months ago
@RaaGoneFishing I only have one good example that trumps your story. The TU-4. Please give me evidence that the Russains didn't copy it.
Razgriz911 4 months ago
@Razgriz911 True but that was in world war II, its worse if planes are copied in modern times.
RaaGoneFishing 4 months ago
...this cant be a f22 copy couse its NOT CANCELLED XD jajaja
mauricioalfredo83 4 months ago
copy of the f22
luislaurencio 5 months ago
@luislaurencio That "copy" is 2 ton lighter, 1,5 times faster and flies 1500 km further than f22. And 30% cheaper.
07nAikon 4 months ago 32
@07nAikon And needs only 350m to take off.
07nAikon 4 months ago
@07nAikon yeah but its less stealthier which ur gonna need when a load of aa missiles is flying at your ass. no matter what the guy with more stealth wins the missile fight
Razgriz911 4 months ago
@07nAikon You are terribly misinformed. If this plane, or any fighter plane for that matter, flies 1.5 times the speed of the F-22, it well literally melt and fall into pieces. I can see the PAK-FA being equal to the F-22, but not superior. Stop reading APA and fanboyism and maybe learn some aerodynamics...
iamhaochni 4 months ago
@07nAikon You don't even know if that's true or not.
TortillaGaming 4 months ago
whoa
bigdrevideo 4 months ago
@07nAikon Looks like it too. The F-22 is a huge piece of shit.
TheTopBloke 4 months ago 10
@TheTopBloke Ok if the F-22 is, for now, the best fighter in the world and its shit, then what does that make this jet? The F-22 is a gorgeous airplane and there's no reason what so ever for calling it the "craptor" as every almost every Russian likes too. If you going to criticize a an aircraft, bring up valid agrument, not immature comments. I support the F-22 all the way and I have to say the T-50 is nice looking and has great potential.
Direwolf56 3 months ago
@Direwolf56 Let's put it this way... if your car broke down constantly would you call it a piece of shit? The F-22 has loads of problems and it's not worth the cost, therefore, it is a piece of shit.
TheTopBloke 3 months ago
@TheTopBloke Most of what people belive to be problems with the F-22 are misunderstandings that the airforce has corrected people on. Most notably was when the Washington Post trashed talked it arrogantly without knowing what the hell they were talking about. Theres a video of that posted by Strider7 you should look up. Yeah it isn't perfect but don't expect your newest aviation technology to be problem free, even with them having our mistakes to learn from.
Direwolf56 3 months ago
@Direwolf56 WHAT??? Ok, I'll just assume for the sake of argument the problems aren't that bad. But don't tell me I shouldn't expect it to be perfect. It damn well better be for the money it's costing me, especially when I won't ever get the privilege of flying the damned thing myself. I could have several expendable pilots and platforms for the cash it's costing to see some precious POS they'll avoid using because it's too expensive, too risky a mission, and a great capture for the enemy.
TheTopBloke 3 months ago
@TheTopBloke It's NOT going to be perfect, its called reality, get used to it. The F-22 is expected to see combat in the future, and with the upgrades and impovents that are being made, the soon-to-be F-22 will be able to kick the snot out of the one today. And as of now, why send an F-22 to do a job the A-10's and F-15's are more equipped for? If one gets shot down this its not a major deal. It's not like the US is seeing alot of air to air combat at the moment anyways.
Direwolf56 3 months ago
@Direwolf56 Exactly... why not send an A-10 or an F-15? We don't need the F-22 POS. It's just another welfare program for the military industrial complex. It's a useless waste of money. That's reality.
TheTopBloke 3 months ago
@Direwolf56 I know as a fact those maneuvers they did in the Air force where just for show and not Fully demonstrating it's TRUE capabilities. They don't want anyone to know.
tehatemachine 3 months ago
@tehatemachine Exactly, that's what the worshiper's of the SU-37 refuse to acknowledge everytime they compare it to the F22.
Direwolf56 3 months ago
@Direwolf56 They can talks shit all they want. We've never seen the two go up head to head (and hopefully we never will) But those who criticize the F22 are nothing more than retards who have NEVER sat in the cockpit of one and probably NEVER WILL. There is still not that much known about the F22 besides some Info given about it's basic components (armaments, engines, Radar). But we really don't know how many specific parts are inside both Aircraft and what it's true capabilities are.
tehatemachine 3 months ago
@07nAikon More like a copy of YF-23 with thrust vector but less stealth at cost of 3 times cheaper. ... LOL
krittmasta 4 months ago
@krittmasta
Thank you for your analysis Dr. Smartass
Suyamu 4 months ago
@Suyamu Thank you for complement. LOL!
krittmasta 4 months ago
@krittmasta
as a fellow computer engineer I'm a bit disappointed to see you make unfounded statements like that.
I can only hope you're more professional at work and actually research things before you claim them.
Suyamu 4 months ago
@Suyamu You can be disappointed but number don't like and design doesn't either. But u might be right, the characteristic of PAKFA doesn't resemble YF-23 because it barely looks stealth. It looks like MOD- SU-37 . Though I think SU-37 has the best air frame for maneuverability. So that's what I had in mind.
krittmasta 4 months ago
@krittmasta
what makes you think you have any clue about aviation design?
What numbers do you think you have when none were ever released?
What is your whole opinion based on in the first place? Not facts, that much I'm sure of.
Suyamu 4 months ago
@Suyamu Think whatever u like. I've been studying and looking at designs for a long while.
krittmasta 4 months ago
@krittmasta
you've been looking at pictures on the internet and discussed it with fellow gamers you mean.
Suyamu 3 months ago
@Suyamu, LOL, gamers... ahh. No, I study airframes via aviation designs books and articles and aerospace engineer from San Luis Obispo CA State U. Something like that. GAMERS .. LOL!
krittmasta 3 months ago
@07nAikon F-22's got the radar cross-section of a bird, and high vibrations make it practically invisible from the ground, the f-22 is also almost 20 years old, and is way past the prototype stage...
Unlike the PAK-FA
Mattc23q 3 months ago
@Mattc23q Uh... 20 years why don't you try more like 13 since the first prototype took flight, and then 6 since they worked out all of the kinks and put it into service. Besides the raptor is being put on the back shelf. it's too expensive to make one and maitain it, while the PAK-FA as it stands costs but 1/3 the price of an F-22. it has also been one of the longest most expensive fighter projects on record, the first prtotype, YF-22 was made in the late 80s for god sake. Pak-Fa in less than 10
matrin2 3 months ago
@matrin2 the F-22 was flying in 1992, and the PAK-FA draws most of its design features from the F-22, so you fucking russians are a bunch of copycats, but what else would I expect from a bunch of dumbshit ignorant fucks who mass produce shitty weaponry.
Mattc23q 3 months ago
@Mattc23q First off i'm American, second your the ignorant one. The F-22, it may be better in certain areas, is too expensive to be plausible in an all out conflict, which is why we are going to transition to the more economical F-35. Russia, in case you havn't noticed, is leaps and bounds ahead of the US in just about every other military depatment. The AK 107 is so much better than the M-16 A4 and their "shitty mass produce weaponry" has been better than ours since the early 80s.
matrin2 3 months ago
@Mattc23q Russian SAM systems are so much better than ours. They have the SA-21 Growler as their Heavy anti missle defense while we havn't upgraded ours since the late 70s. the T-90 kicks the shit out of the Abrams tank, while being just as well armored, fast, and has just as much fire power. its smaller, cheaper, uses less fuel giving it more range and is faster to produce. they also have the better non-stealth aircraft. the Su-2/35 and the Mig29K can easily beat our aging F-16 and F-15 fleet.
matrin2 3 months ago
@matrin2 T-90 isnt equally armoured, they have the thickest armour at the front but for the rear and sides it's the same used on the BMP-2 and BMP-1 series APC's, as for SAMS i dont think any russian would be able to penetrate american airspace without a Squadron of F-16's on full afterburn behind it so that pretty much eliminates the need for sams to shoot down incoming russian jets, and as for missiles america has the Patriot system which can destroy missiles in the upper atmosphere, good day.
Mattc23q 3 months ago
@Mattc23q Uh hey buddy you know that squadron of F-16's are pretty much outclassed by all of Russia's frontline fighters u know just sayin. And where do you get your numbers for the T-90s side and rear armor, because i'm pretty sure it isn't equivalent to the 30mm of armor on BMPs. The patriot System is old and out dated and way out classed by soviet made S-300 batteries and Russia's S-400 batteries. Also did you know that a flight of Russian Backfire Bombers is faster and can outrun F-16/15s.
matrin2 3 months ago
@matrin2 F-16 Could destroy the Mig-29, mig-25 and mig-31, and the F-15 could destroy the Su-27 and Su-30, and the F-22 could destroy the Su-35
and the Tu-160 has a maximum speed of 2,300 km p/h, the F-22 Has a maximum speed of 2,410 km p/h and the F-15 has a high altitude max speed of 2,660 km p/h not to mention the Sidewinder missile travels at mach 2.5.
America is dominate
Mattc23q 3 months ago
@Mattc23q When did I say anything about the Mig 25, a plane in limited service, and the mig-31. They are not fighters they are interceptors and they are what would kick the shit out of our Bombers if we tried to invade Russian airspace. The F-16 isn't that great of a fighter, the mig-29 would have no problems beating it in a fight. I also don't think you got the point when I said that the Su-27 and the F-15 are pretty evenly matched with a slight advantage in the Su-27s favor.
matrin2 3 months ago
@Mattc23q all of these planes can also shoot down an F-22 in a dog fight, not easily, but what i'm trying to get across is that if they lose 1or 2 maybe even 3 of any combination of those planes, but shoot down 1 F-22 or maybe 2, there goes 150 or 300 million dollars. While Russia loses at around the 90 million-110 million range.
matrin2 3 months ago
@Mattc23q also, since you don't know much about russian air doctrine, those Tu22m's i was talking about usually carry 3-6 cruise missles that they can launch well before our planes can get out to intercept them. So that leaves much of our costal instalations very exposed. They launch, usually a group of about 30 planes or more, about 90-150 missles, turn around and go to full afterburner making a clean get away with no loss. Also the sidewinder is a close range infaread missle, flares counter it
matrin2 3 months ago
@matrin2 "turn around full afterburner and make a clean getaway", the Tu-22m with a maximum load of 3 Kh-22 missiles has a maximum combat radius of 2,420km.
The distance from Vladivostok to California is roughly 7000 kilometres, which is four times the range of the tu-22m which would mean they would need a Aerial tanker, and since they wont allow an aerial tanker within 1000 kilometres of america because it would be a chew toy for F-16's, that makes your hypothetical mission impossible
Mattc23q 3 months ago
@Mattc23q why go from vladivlastock to california when they only have to go from Bases on the Kamchatka peninsula to washington, and oregon. The Su-27 is also capable of escorting the Il-78's that would refuel them. Also the Tu-22m can carry a cruise missle that allows it to fire it off from over 2000 km from the target. So yeah, and once again those F-16s aren't going to do shit against a squadren of su-27's. Can you at least admit that Russian air defenses are better than Ours because they are
matrin2 3 months ago
@matrin2 Nothing can be said until an actual encounter occurs....and I highly doubt any successful raid can be made on one's own turf without stealth or absolutely massive numbers, sorry.
HaveFunEatingIt 3 months ago
@HaveFunEatingIt I think that is something we can all agree to. all this really has been is speculation and as it has been shown in the past what may look good statistically or on paper doesn't always work out in practice. This is though also true with stealth, because it to has shown in the past that it isn't the end all to radar detection. Stealth, like most other things made since the end of World War 2, hasn't really had a chance to prove it self in a major conflict between 2 major contries
matrin2 3 months ago
@matrin2 Your contradicting yourself, they wouldnt be able to fit 1 tu-22m at Kamchatka, let alone 30, and their missiles (kh22) cant travel more then 600km, and the su-27 isnt better then the f-16, Only an anti american faggot like you would think that, your providing no proof that Russia is better then america, I think I'd know a bit more then you looking at your channel.
Btw. im not American.
Mattc23q 3 months ago