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  • @gamer1337omg

    My comment was aimed at NICKSTER117 who said that cpu runs 4-8 threads and gpu 800+, implying that a gpu is better at doing physics. That is simply not true, a gpu is better at doing physics because it has a separate processor (ppu) that is meant specifically at solving the phx equations. If I take a GPU without a ppu and a CPU and make both of them do physics, the CPU will win hands down. Why do you think all the engineering physics simulations are done on Xenons and Itaniums?

  • @VanillaSnake21 You even know what your saying? Its like saying the cooler isnt part of the CPU, it doesnt belong there - remove it. Plus, PPU isn't seperate, its included in NVIDIA cards within, meaning that back when i had 8600gt and NVIDIA bought Ageia, they just simply intergrated it with some firmware.

  • Havok is able to do this too and more. Using modern CPUs and their different cores instead of forcing the user to own a PPU or new gen NVidia GPU.

    PhysX is overhyped imo and not at all optimized.

  • did you just say CPU is better for physics that a GPU...

    CPU = 4-8 threads

    GPU = 800+ threads and counting....

  • uh ok maybe more like 100

  • YEA is that the same value for g force 9800 GT GOLD EDITION - GAINWARD bicouse it has that i have PhysX by NVIDIA but im not shure how much its exectly strong

  • Joey you are never going on my computer ever again in your life. if i see one more of your comments on my account im going to bash you over the head with my laptop until pixels come out of your head. Even though what you say is true, dont ever go on my account

  • Are you talking about the Pentiums? Modern CPUs run between 200 to 300 threads. The GPU is no better than the CPU in doing physics. The PPUs on the other hand are optimized for physics simulations. Modern PPUs are located on the GPU board, but it is a distinct chip and is not a part of the graphics pipeline of the GPU.

  • you cant be serious right?

    do you no how much strain physics can put on your CPU especially with cloth physics and mass physics

    btw the havok doesn't support cloth physics

  • actually havok does support Cloth Physics since there are videos on here showing their cloth physics

  • my mistake

    but still my main point stands

  • God, PhysX is just boss. I just saw the Mirror's Edge video with PhysX for the PC and it adds a sense of realism that is missed. Getting shot at with particles flying left and right, cloth ripping to shreads as bullets pierce through, water spraying over your characters face, all those little effects can take you from a game world and and put you into one more real. Consoles need to get this bad.

  • PhysX just really puts you in the game, I do agree. PhysX combined with that immersion, style and gameplay - it all just adds up to one awesome game - although I found it sad that there wasn't a map editor (come on, DICE, just put in UnrealED and we'll be happy).

  • so sad ageia donsent exists anymoar

  • well actually it does! nvidia owns it now. so we can exspect to see more games usin physx

  • just their PPU, you can still get PhysX in any newer nVidia card as they got the rights to it :D

  • Why is cellfactor revolution such a game put to waste? also i have 9600GT 512mb superclocked how do i get this driver?

    or cant i?

  • Sick-ass music! God UI love the melody and the beat.. techno.. awesome.

  • Ageia PhysX = obsolete or not?

    Discussion on

    ultimate-gamer *dot* org/forum/viewtopic *dot *php?f=72&t=49

  • I can tell you now that it isn't :)

    The PhysX drivers for GeForce G92+ series are out. With a modded inf and some beta drivers, you can see it running on GeForce 8800GT / GTS 512+ cards now, and it literally sucks. It has PhysX alright, but the FPS in PhysX maps in, for an example, UT3 maps like Lighthouse, is incredibly bad. And mind you, I have one hell of a computer ;)

    I'd prefer actually having the PhysX card now.

  • Actually i have 8800gt physX drivers and get 70fps+ with physX at extreame!

  • That's what he said, idiot.

  • Sadly that card dident yet com out in my place i got a prity good rig intel-core Quadro 2.41ghz 3GB of ram EN8800GTX 768mb run crysis DX10 with natural mod 2.0 25-35 fps run unreal turnament 3 with 60 fps and bioshock and so further i downloadet warmongerer sadly cudent play it becuse i dont hawe the physx card :( i hope it coms soon in my PLACE!!!

  • yeah, the physics in crysis are so intensive that they have their own framerate. It makes it so that you wont freeze the computer entirely, but it still isn't pretty...if it were smooth slow-mo that'd be cool. If you have a core2duo e6600 or better it shouldn't be a problem at all.

  • physcards cards = waste of money , CPU does all the physics these days , crysis has one of best physics there is , so does HL2 . and both nevewr needed physics cards, as for crysis , physics on ultra high DOES NOT MAKE A SINGLE FRAME RATE DROP ON YOUR GPU, its all cpu powered

  • slon1443 what a fucking retard. Buy a life

  • graphical proccesing unit ;)

  • that is not a GPU, this is a gpu convinated with a Phisics Process Unit. It make the games more reals.

  • the difference i see are the cloth and the FPS.

  • slon1443 ftw

    gogogo geeek squad

  • wauw slon1443 = the biggest nerd ever in our universe.

  • it sure is

  • well fuck no ROFL, go go mr.geek

  • mov al,$32 means put into al register (8-bit) 32, xor al,al make logical operation on all bits of al register which result al = 0 ... i'm not code writer i just know few things ... how to write simple programs so if i said something wrong ... i don't care ! :) it's just to show u why i think in that way!

  • ps_1_1 tex t0 tex t1 mul_x2 r0.xyz, t1, t0 + mov r0.w, t0.w

    if u didn't guess it's part of GPU/shaders code !!

    mov , mul etc its asm code commands!! the same is with PPU ur using machine code to tell them what to do! ofcourse u can use C like code but at the end it's still translate into machine code (numbers) which represent specific command for C/G/P-PU!!!!

  • scootpogo: now one said it is ! but GPU PPU and CPU they all are processors units! ... so the main things to do for them is to calculate and operate on 1s and 0s !! nvidia quantum tech. is physic stuff using shaders ... which were designed to do stuff on pixels and vertex!! differenc is gpu and ppu has specific destination not like cpu! but very basicli it's the same!! do fucking operations on fucking bits using registers and so on!

  • nvidia is manufactor of GPU like 8 series etc... so if you buy gr. card let say asus ? so who made GPU asus or nvidia!! nvidia u fucking idiot! and asus made "motherboard" for GPU!! the same with gigabyte or evga etc.... and You think u are clever buhehehe you made me laught !! thanks!

  • NEWS: AGEIA PhysX ACQUIRED BY NVIDIA

  • Future games will take this power to a greater level and we will soon be seeing realistic material tearing and excellent fluid dynamics/physics. It's the dawn of a new expensive, but awesome and important, computer part.

  • A lot of the comments on here are quite ignorant it seems.. Run 3dmark06 and tell me how awesome your cpu can run games. With Quake2 level games todays cpus struggle to get 2fps. Its just an entirely different math. Of course Ageia is going to get rich off of it, they saw the need for getting the physics off the cpu and exploited it. Most games currently dont do much more with it than double or triple the amount of smoke or crapnel coming off explosions, making it look worse.

  • sorry, but id rather get a better cpu, faster speed is garenteed in ALL games, and stuff other then games like movie making. untill these things are used more like a gpu, they are useless to me.(but id take one for free.:)

  • For now (until more widely adopted) I would tend to agree with you, in the same way that a few years back there wasn't really much motivation to buy a 3D card(most games then could run quite happily without them). I think this is more a future technology as game engines become more complex.

  • yes, i agree, i have already said this.

  • who has a ps3?

  • looks laggy.

  • can some one plz tell whats the music ?

  • do they have these cards for laptops . . . ? ? ive heard in some of the games featuring quad core support, one of the cores takes care od physics only . . . .

  • not yet, but they'll be available soon

  • It should also be noted I've seen Havok in G-MOD10 doing similar effects, without a performance hit like that.

  • There are no cloth/water physics in gmod10/source engine...

  • ...and how do we know that they don't purposely slow down the CPU physics calculation.

  • I have tested the PPU and it is making a huge diference well noticable in GRAW

  • this is really cool but i'm waitng for simmilar ppu from Nvidia...

  • lol what are they gonna call it Nvidia Pforce im guessing lol

  • A phsyx card is the biggest crock of crap ever made, all they actually do is dedicate themselves to the physics processing because its a very cpu and gpu slurping task, the physics themselves are acually written into the game and providing you have a powerful enough computer you can see this physics in games with no problem at all. Its just a money making scheme. DON'T be FOOLED!

  • Care to put a figure on the required components to achieve these physics? Even the Conroe X6800 fails in comparison.

    Anyone can do basic collision; hell that is why they can emulate it on the GPU. But what about advanced physics? True liquids, high res interactive damageable cloth, volumetric air particles...

    Go get CellFactor and cry when your PC dies, then turn off cloth/liquid and pretend you can run it without a PPU like everyone else seems to do.

  • a-fucking-greed

  • A phsyx card is the biggest crock of shit ever made, all they actually do is dedicate themselves to the physics processing because its a very cpu and gpu slurping task, the physics themselves are acually written into the game and providing you have a powerful enough computer you can see this physics in games with no problem at all. Its just a money making scheme. DON'T be FOOLED!

  • A graphics card is the biggest crock of shit ever made, all they actually do is dedicate themselves to the graphics processing because its a very cpu slurping task, the graphics themselves are acually written into the game and providing you have a powerful enough computer you can see this graphics in games with no problem at all. Its just a money making scheme. DON'T be FOOLED!

  • you realize that CPUs are designed in a manner far different than GPUs, right?

    todays highend CPUs can barely render games from 2000 in real time.

    I'll try it though, see if I can play HL1 with a c2d @ 3.2GHz.

  • Moreover, framerates actually suffer when using Ageia's physics card. Typical hit is 3-5fps. Games currently don't see a real benefit.

  • Computer hardware should be getting more compact and centralized not spread out. Ageia won't be around in a few years.

  • ageia is laisencing its teachnology to various game engine developers . . . ue3 has it . . . big bucks for agea . . . and unreal engine 3 is gonna be lisenced for gazillion games . . . . . . bigger bucks for agea . . . . intel is also interested in agea . . .

  • I'm afraid I doubt Intel will be interested in Ageia's technology, you don't back companies that will cost you business should they succeed.

    It is like when the GPU first arrived; everything used to be on the CPU, until something came along and took away one of the CPUs jobs, in affect freeing up CPU performance and reducing the need for more powerful processors.

  • Jesus Christ stop trying to act like a big smart ass while chatting more bullshit. The GPU always existed as much as the CPU, it was just named differently and produced by Intel. It was called a graphic display driver or something like that, otherwise, even on a black and white screen you'd see nothing. Stop trying to come out with your smartass comments and double check something before you conclude to your own guesses.

  • If you are going to accuse me of guesswork don't do it yourself...

    A software based graphics display driver is not the same as a hardware based graphics processing unit. Back in the day visuals were done in software until the GPU appeared and proved it could do them many times faster and to a higher quality, the advantage of the GPU was first proven by a game mod made by the Quake Con community.

    The GPU has not existed as long as the CPU.

  • Seriously you are a fucking low life. Must you always encourage people who arent very good at understanding computers to buy your crap? I guess you are a salesman, and a very dumb one too. I said "something like that" -- get over it, my answer was not correct but fact is the CPU couldnt handle displays...EEEVER. The GPU has existed as long as a CPU. Stop thinking that youre always so fucking correct, low life.

  • I'm assuming you're actually referring to the old display adapters (the old MDA, Hercules, CGA and EGA)? These really didn't do the kind of mathematics that the modern GPU's do (basically nothing more than "put pixel color C at locattion X,Y), so I'm not too sure we could even equate the 2. I see Physx the same way - does more complex calculations instead of the program doing it.

  • Mainstream GPU's only introduced in the late 90's. The first off-CPU 3d accellerator cards (which actually weren't GPU's yet, even) were cards like the Riva 128 and the 3DFX Voodoo. The Term "GPU" was not even coined until several years later. But, you probably think that the GPU has existed "as long as a CPU" because this holds true for your lifetime. Based on your responses, I am guessing that you were probably around 5 years old in the mid-90's.

  • wow although you cant even finish reading my whole fucking comment dickhead... REAL SMART guitargay *sarcastic clap*. Just Google evrythin and try seem smart, stupid cunt...

  • bueheh sure amiga had GPU :) buhehe .... what is GPU ... its processor ! stupid dumb fuck!!

  • BUEHEHEH GPU aint a processor u fucking twat, its a graphics card. "STUPID DUMB FUCK" back at you, gay fuckhead

  • GPU is a processor, Graphics precessing unit, it has a clock, and busses just like a PC or laptop mainboard processor, its jsut specifically used to handle graphical processes....Gay fuckhead?

  • scootpogo i was answering to slon1443, and i know what a GPU is you moron...

  • how old are you!? yor first pc was p4 3ghz 1gb ram with xp ... so u know shit!!

  • DIKE

  • The The PhysX Card isnt a GPU at all, its a PPU

  • yes it is man, good someone knows somthing^^

    ppu is not gpu, ppu is the movment of things like water, wind and like this on this video:P

  • @scootpogo youre right, but its only called that because its a GPU specialised for PhysX processing

  • I dunno, overly compact and centralized leads one to a situation where nothing is upgradeable. Think laptops. If you've got a crummy GPU, you're stuck with it. You can't whip it out and slap a sleek new nVidia in, or anything.

  • well i had this card. it drained FPS and wastes an SLI space. Im not saying this just coz i wanna talk shit im preventing people from falling for this propaganda. coz exzite is right this is a propaganda. If you dont believe me,buy 1 yourselves. Anyway DX10 GPUs can manage physics just fine. DX10.1 will slaughter this crappy card in physics and graphics

  • I dunno if 'no difference' is the fairest description... but 'the price of the card doesn't substantiate the marginal benefits produced' sure as hell describes it... the stuff I saw at rage3d only showed significant differences in rendering a scene with the torn flag.

    Ah, who am I kidding? The card is a gyp.

  • They are sandbagging the non-hardware results. Check out some real user feedback on any hardware forum, there's no difference at all between using their hardware and standard SW-only physics. Don't be fooled by this Ageia produced propeganda.

  • Actually, I just looked up some actual benchmarks - seems some of the other comments on this subject were right - by all accounts, there's no performance gain, but actually a performance hit. This may be because of bad implementations, but it's not a great sign.

  • Its Not meant to improve performance, its used to stabalize performance by reducing the workload of the cpu.

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