May de valera burn in hell with his mate Hitler. He let them Roman Catholics run amok in this country destroying minds. De Valera was the biggest disaster in the history of the state.
I have to admit that I am not an historian and when I read about events from Irelands past I seem to get several peoples views which are quite often conflicting depending on whatever political persuasion they happen to be. Where do you look for the definitive truth, or is the truth merely a myth in man's imagination? what is truth, because most people come up with conspiracy theories! All I seek is the truth, is that too much to ask?
@gmatthews737 It's the Irish way my friend we like to keep people on their toes, it all adds to Irish mysticism. Joking aside I'd heartily recommend reading Irish Freedom (The History of Irish Nationalism) by Richard English. Don't let the subtitle misguide you it gives a very balanced view of Irish history from the 1100's when the English arrived up to the current day. Irish history can be a daunting subject (to the Irish as well) but once you grasp the basics it gets much easier,hope you enjoy
What a load of bollocks, Dev was a self important prick who stole money that was intended for the Irish people but instead he used it to set up his family newspaper the Irish press. One has to remember he was a Fianna Fail man and theft has always been part of their culture.
@gespb32: Mock him? I have nothing but contempt for that piece of shit. He cared nothing for lives of other Irishmen but hid behind his American Citizenship to avoid a firing squad. He sent men to their deaths in the Customs house and then ignored the will of the people of Ireland when it came to the treaty..but again fianna fail never paid much attention to the will of the people as the Lisbon treaty would prove. Next time I'm in Dublin I'm going to take a piss of the bastards grave.
@celticlofts Your an idiot as well as a scumbag, Dev did not hide behind his American passport, the British did not want to execute an American citizen, the Custom House event? men die in war, dont get your historical info from that Michael Collins film, Also you may also care to know F.G. & Labour all pushed for a 2nd vote.
Piss on his grave, yeah thats about all you could do in your pathetic life to an Irish Hero.
Why dont you join the Orange Order? oh wait, your probably already are in it.
@gespb32: Oh men die in war.. is that your excuse? He was a prick and is remembered as such, hell even his own mother didn't want to have anything to do with him. !!
I have I did honors in my leaving cert in which particular attention was paid to the Irish revolution from the beginning until independence. Explain why he wasn't a hero Dev sent him to negotiate because Dev was a coward who knew we would get no more than we did in 1921. Dev sent him and then turned against him tell me how is that heroic. He was an arm chair soldier.
@joshcilldara11 oh lord..here it is the old reliable "sure Dev betrayed Ireland blah blah"Grow up and look at the bigger picture and stop being so narrow minded!Dev stayed at home to keep the more extreme republicans like Cathal Brugha under raps and in line he also stayed at home to give the delegates the safe option of saying that they can't sign anything without referring it to him so they would have to bring it back to Dublin eg so they couldn't get forced into anything!!!
was that the snooker commentator ted lowe? anyway the man murderered republicans fighting for a 32 county republic,did he not support that cause? or was he a puppet of crown really.
Beautiful ... If it weren't for him and Michael & his generation we would be over run by English ...
adamleech09 5 days ago 2
Up Dev!
KantianParadox 4 weeks ago 2
May de valera burn in hell with his mate Hitler. He let them Roman Catholics run amok in this country destroying minds. De Valera was the biggest disaster in the history of the state.
73reider 1 month ago
he was a gobshite
meakd 3 months ago
Thank you jwood36 for your reply and sound advice. Have a good christmas and a prosperous 2012.
gmatthews737 3 months ago
I have to admit that I am not an historian and when I read about events from Irelands past I seem to get several peoples views which are quite often conflicting depending on whatever political persuasion they happen to be. Where do you look for the definitive truth, or is the truth merely a myth in man's imagination? what is truth, because most people come up with conspiracy theories! All I seek is the truth, is that too much to ask?
gmatthews737 3 months ago
@gmatthews737 It's the Irish way my friend we like to keep people on their toes, it all adds to Irish mysticism. Joking aside I'd heartily recommend reading Irish Freedom (The History of Irish Nationalism) by Richard English. Don't let the subtitle misguide you it gives a very balanced view of Irish history from the 1100's when the English arrived up to the current day. Irish history can be a daunting subject (to the Irish as well) but once you grasp the basics it gets much easier,hope you enjoy
jwood36 3 months ago
What a load of bollocks, Dev was a self important prick who stole money that was intended for the Irish people but instead he used it to set up his family newspaper the Irish press. One has to remember he was a Fianna Fail man and theft has always been part of their culture.
celticlofts 4 months ago
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gespb32 4 months ago
@gespb32: Mock him? I have nothing but contempt for that piece of shit. He cared nothing for lives of other Irishmen but hid behind his American Citizenship to avoid a firing squad. He sent men to their deaths in the Customs house and then ignored the will of the people of Ireland when it came to the treaty..but again fianna fail never paid much attention to the will of the people as the Lisbon treaty would prove. Next time I'm in Dublin I'm going to take a piss of the bastards grave.
celticlofts 4 months ago
@celticlofts Your an idiot as well as a scumbag, Dev did not hide behind his American passport, the British did not want to execute an American citizen, the Custom House event? men die in war, dont get your historical info from that Michael Collins film, Also you may also care to know F.G. & Labour all pushed for a 2nd vote.
Piss on his grave, yeah thats about all you could do in your pathetic life to an Irish Hero.
Why dont you join the Orange Order? oh wait, your probably already are in it.
gespb32 4 months ago 2
@gespb32: Oh men die in war.. is that your excuse? He was a prick and is remembered as such, hell even his own mother didn't want to have anything to do with him. !!
celticlofts 4 months ago
Ya but to be fair when they rang him he was no were to be found ... That's a little to coincidental for me :/
dylan1824 5 months ago
@RichardElden sorry "true" that should be.....growing up in the gaeltacht...i still get a little bit confused in english
ADoyle131 10 months ago
a great man .........Irelands last through hero RIP
ADoyle131 10 months ago
@ADoyle131
Michael Collins was our last true hero.
joshcilldara11 10 months ago 2
@joshcilldara11 hahaha yeah your a good one ha hero alright hahahaha......learn your history!!!
ADoyle131 10 months ago
@ADoyle131
I have I did honors in my leaving cert in which particular attention was paid to the Irish revolution from the beginning until independence. Explain why he wasn't a hero Dev sent him to negotiate because Dev was a coward who knew we would get no more than we did in 1921. Dev sent him and then turned against him tell me how is that heroic. He was an arm chair soldier.
joshcilldara11 10 months ago
@joshcilldara11 oh lord..here it is the old reliable "sure Dev betrayed Ireland blah blah"Grow up and look at the bigger picture and stop being so narrow minded!Dev stayed at home to keep the more extreme republicans like Cathal Brugha under raps and in line he also stayed at home to give the delegates the safe option of saying that they can't sign anything without referring it to him so they would have to bring it back to Dublin eg so they couldn't get forced into anything!!!
ADoyle131 10 months ago
@joshcilldara11 May his soul, through the mercy of God, rest in peace.
frbjoernLA 5 months ago 2
was that the snooker commentator ted lowe? anyway the man murderered republicans fighting for a 32 county republic,did he not support that cause? or was he a puppet of crown really.
totes32 1 year ago
@totes32 no its Brian Farrell from Prime Time
tommyobrien84 1 year ago
Thank fuck he died eventually.
MeathDrog 1 year ago