Dumb Bumper Stickers

[thelaw986]

false prophet

[jordan19862000]

@thelaw986 Assertion.

[nicholighkun]

My previous comments were specifically to TheFuelProject. I should have specified that, sorry.

[nicholighkun]

I watched another video from this guy, and I liked what he said, but that's just one video. What exactly is the connection with Rob Bel and Brian MacClaren and the like?

[nicholighkun]

Sooooo, you're affiliated with Mars Hill? As in that heretic Rob Bel, and his mentors and cohorts? Well, that changes a few things.

[777igg]

You say it Brother

[pupaiya123]

lolololol trolled! you guys r fkin baddies

[pupaiya123]

Who is jesus?

[Wivanunu]

@pupaiya123 I saw your channel...your into Deluxe Gaming. Don't ask if you don't mean it. If you want to know Jesus I would tell you all I know.

[bellusdiem07]

@pupaiya123 Jesus is the son of God , the saviour of the world. He came and died on the cross for our sins, and rose again defeating death , so we could be saved and have a personal relationship with God. If you are serious, all you have to do is ask him into your heart and life. Declare that he is lord with your moutn and believe it in your heart . There is no greater gift than salvation and the love of God shown through Jesus !!! I recommend reading matthew and Romans in the bible

[Hufflewaffle]

@pupaiya123 a character in a book.

[MyWebsite2006]

Someone needs to tell him that his jeans are torn.....do you think he knows?

[wptutorialtube]

It's 2011 and people still believe superstitious crap.

It's sad.

[kornykorhorn]

@wptutorialtube Go to Haiti.

[vennish11]

@wptutorialtube thumbs up bro, its sad.

[Trips1103]

Your definition of Jesus here is not a humble one. And what's with the pants dude? Trying to be the cool, unhumble leader you're chastising others for being?

[imfreeatlass]

not bitter jesus was a cool dude if he existed but there was countless other characters that have many of the same attributes and also predate him ..also i can list 100's of examples of why christianity is immoral just from its own text ..but thats not for me to show you ...go question go doubt go be curious :)

[Keruaran]

@imfreeatlass

Its easy to throw unsubstantiated claims about, any 12 year old with an internet connection and a YouTube account can do that. It's much harder to get specific and support them.

[tfortommyb]

I want a bumper sticker with this fags face on it so people comment on my stupid bumper sticker and laugh at his fat ass and huge head.

[imfreeatlass]

my only bumper sticker spells out "fiction" with all the worlds religions symbols

[DaMonster96100]

@imfreeatlass

[DaMonster96100]

@imfreeatlass explain why your bitter at christianity and other rellgions

[kris6682]

dumb shit

[Jasoncrim]

Hs said stupid Bummer sticker lol I thought he was talking about the stupid ass fish symbol

[Ersa1a]

What a vile human being. Couldn't this scumbag even take a bath this month? And how come his church is named after the Roman PAGAN god of war? What a douche.

[josiahn1]

@Ersa1a its also a place where the apostle Paul had a chance to evangelize in the heart of corruption, and where once again God showed that He is superior.

[katrus]

This church has a pretty good graphic designer on staff. Beyond that, mnh.

[Heylel444]

One of my favorite bumper stickers..."If God made us in his image, why aren't we ALL invisible?"

[krystalfehr]

anybody not living with the holy spirit is inbondage by satan. living with God is complete freedom, not freedom to sin, rather freedom to follow Christ! i have been set free from sin,depression,sexual immorality, all because Jesus set me free!halleluiah he is risen!

[AtHome4Good]

my favorite sticker: "Jesus loves you, everyone else thinks you're an asshole"

[Loals]

I didn't read the description (or any comments) to this video before I watched it, so I honestly thought it was stand-up comedy. And I laughed. I mean, really, Jesus was so humble to tell us all how to live our lives?

[dominicano0226]

@Loalse Well yeah...he's the God of the universe, he created you, and you consistently and unfailingly sin against him on a daily basis. I believe that entitles him to certain commanding rights.

[Loals]

@dominicano0226 You can't say that because I'm not following his commands, that means he has the right to command me.

My original point still stands: how is it humble to tell everyone how they should live their lives, and that if they don't willingly become your serf, you deserve to be tortured for all eternity? It's not. It's the height of arrogance. Then add that we're supposed to do this on faith, and the arrogance meter explodes.

[bunjamons]

@Loals Yes, you need to have faith that Jesus actually existed and is indeed the son of an all knowing God and that this God has a plan and actively affects our lives and the world around us. And once you come to that point you will realize that it is extremely humble for a God of that power to care enough about us to lead us. I understand your desire for 100% undeniable physical evidence of God, but that is not guaranteed. I do pray that you find him and you find answers.

[Loals]

@bunjamons Even though finding out that there is such a god would be the worst thing that could possibly happen to me, you mean well, so that's how I'll take it. Thank you.

But on topic, I tried in my early teens to believe in God with a capital G. I really, really wanted to believe, and I honestly tried my best, but I just couldn't. As Pascal put it, I am made in such a way that I cannot believe.

In light of this, where do you think that leaves me in relation to god?

[bunjamons]

@Loal To be quite honest, I know exactly what you mean in many regards. I have plenty of friends that (as far as I can see) will never believe in a God, let alone come to Christ. And as a Christian, it raises many questions in my own heart as to why some people just seem to be built to resist the notion of God. While I still fully believe that everything that happens is to fulfill a greater purpose, I still find myself asking "why?" on a daily basis. I too am not a fan of blind faith.

[bunjamons]

@Loals Many of my friends associate Christianity with the lack of critical thinking, but I believe that the truest Christians not only think critically but also go out and seek answers through all mediums of life. I am only saying some of this to petition that believing in God does not mean you don't ask questions. At this point, I should admit that I have no insight as to how to overcome the dilemma that you face, there is no cookie cutter for belief.

[Loals]

@bunjamons I do not see it as a dilemma for me. I'm perfectly happy being an atheist, and indeed glad that all the evidence points that way.

I think I understand you better now, though. When you said I need to take it on faith, you simply meant that I need to do it to be a christian, right?

However, my point still stands. By this definition, it is impossible for me to be a Christian, and from my understanding of the bible, your god would punish me for this. Do you think that is reasonable?

[bunjamons]

@Loals While I won't bring into question your happiness with your beliefs, I don't think that the "evidence" points to atheism. What Evidence?

When I was talking about faith, I was responding to your question as to how it is humble for Christ to lead us... Simply put, you need to actually believe that he is God for that to make sense. So yes I was specking in a Christian context, beings that the question was about Christ on a Christian video

By which definition exactly is it impossible?

[Loals]

@bunjamons The vastness of our universe, the insignificance of human beings, the fact that every claim about gods have shown to be false or unfalisifiable, etc. Nothing of this proves there is no god, but I'm not saying I can do that. I can't.

If you define a Christian as someone who believes what you said I'd need to believe, then by that definition it's impossible for me to be a Christian, because as I've explained, I can't believe it.

[bunjamons]

@Loals Oh ok, I was just making sure before I jumped to conclusions as to what your definition was. While being a Christian is actually more about living your life in accordance to God's teaching, which in-turn requires belief (Even though most everyone could agree that the teachings are both Noble and beneficial in life).

But yes, it takes spirituality. Which is something that can not be explained in a tangible manner. So yes I guess, as things stand, it may seem impossible

[bunjamons]

@Loals But may I ask why finding out that God exist would thing that could happen to you? I'll understand if it's too personal to share with some "Christian" whose trying to convert you over Youtube (hahahaha). I'm a little curious because I never thought anyone would react that way to the hypothetical of finding the face of an undeniable God... Most people (Christian or not) would give anything to know that.

[Loals]

@bunjamons You may ask, but I'm not sure you'll like the answer. It's difficult to compress for a youtube comment, so keep that in mind. I'll give my two main reasons why finding out that a god (or, well, at least a theistic god - I'd be indifferent about a deist god) exist.

1) It would mean that we all had a supervising dictator, whom we didn't elect, that we can't get rid of, or escape even by death. It would make us all into serfs and slaves.

2) It would make everything completely arbitrary

[bunjamons]

@Loals 1) I guess that's one way to put it, except when someone mentions slavery or serfdom, the only thing we have to equate it to is a man serving another man. Which doesn't make sense beings that kings and masters have no justified authority. Whereas a God who created everything is a bit different.

2) And to be honest I don't know God's reasoning for everything he's done. So in a sense, yes it can be called arbitrary. But what is the alternative? complete random pointlessness?

[Loals]

@bunjamons 1) I don't see how makes any difference, either ethically or otherwise, if your slave owner is a human or a god, except that you can flee, kill or die to get away from the human, who can't read your thoughts or see everything you do, or control you in the way a god could. A human slave owner would thus be preferable to a divine one.

2) The way I see it, the arbitrariness and the complete random pointlessness is what comes *with* an omnipotent god, not without one.

[bunjamons]

@Loals 1) I don't quite understand how anyone could comprehend an all knowing being who is said to be a God of pure Love and Righteousnesses. I know I can't. We are used to other humans who, if they could read our mind and know our intent, would only use that knowledge for self gain and destruction of others.

2) How would life and death have any meaning without a God. What would be the point of self improvement or kindness? 

[Loals]

@bunjamons On the first point, I don't want anyone to be able to read my mind and punish me for my thoughts. Call me old fashioned, but I don't like totalitarian, and I want at least some privacy, if only in my mind.

On the second, you're not really saying that the only reason you're kind, the only reason you try to improve yourself, is to please your Master? I don't believe it. Self-improvement is its own reward, and it feels good to be kind. Plus, we live in societies, we need to get along.

[bunjamons]

@Loals But I mean, in the the grand scheme without God, what does kindness matter? You and the the one you are kind to will both dire and be wiped from the slate of time. And even if you are able to leave a lasting impression on the world, what does it matter? the world will one day come to an end. Is life only about the time between your birth and death and how happily you can live your life. How does that seem fair to any of the people who were born into 3rd world countries and disease.

[Loals]

@bunjamons It isn't fair, but who ever said life is?

It is seeing this, and knowing that it won't all be put right when they die, that motivates me to help the unfortunate. This, and as I said, *it feels bloody good to do it*. You don't refuse to see a movie because you know that even though you might enjoy it, it will at some point end.

Same with life. Enjoy it and do your best while it lasts; knowing that it will end and that you get no do-overs should motivate you to use your time wiser.

[bunjamons]

@Loals Yes you are right, life isn't fair. That's why I believe there has to be something beyond life. There must be something that holds us accountable for our wrongs, and something that makes up for life's tragedies. There must be justice.

Just like you are not alright with the thought of a God who can read your mind, I am not ok with the thought that our existence is unfair, and that the tragedies we respectively face are all in vain.

[Loals]

@bunjamons We are accountable for our wrongs to *other human beings*. If you wrong someone, you need to get forgiveness from that person, not god. If we want fairness and to right wrongs then we must do it ourselves.

I'm not saying that I don't believe in god because I'm not okay with the abolishion of privacy and the establishment of thought crime. If you are saying, however, that one of the reasons you believe is that you want justice, then that's just wishful thinking.

[bunjamons]

@Loals What I'm saying, is that if I was convinced that there was no God, I would only consider my own happiness. Maybe my own happiness would extend out to doing right by the few I care about around me, because in turn they would do right back, but that's it. Life would be all about my gain, through any means necessary beings that there would be no constant to compare to.

And your notion of what life is about could be just as easily considered wishful thinking as well.

[Loals]

@bunjamons No, my opinion on what my life is all about cannot be considered wishful thinking, because it doesn't suppose that something is true because I want it to be true.

As for what you say you would do if you didn't believe in god, it might be true for you, but if so that's a failure on your part. What you're really saying is that the only reason why you care about other people is because you want a reward and/or avoid a punishment, which makes you seem less moral than I think you are.

[bunjamons]

@Loals So because you say its true, makes it true? For your opinion to be considered any less wishful thinking than what you consider mine, assumes that you KNOW the truth. I may be as bold as to say you don't.

And while yes it seems horrible, why would that surprise you? History has proven again and again that people do horrible things in the name of pride and greed. In fact, if you think about it, we rarely do things for others without expecting some kind of return.

[Loals]

@bunjamons My opinion on what? You mean god's existence? If so, please show me how it is wishful thinking. Mind you, I don't believe that there is no god, I just don't believe that there is. There's a huge difference.

Then you are a worse person than I thought you were, or you simply insist on selling yourself short. I don't need a celestial dictator to tell me what's good and what's bad; I don't need Big Brother telling me to care about others... and I don't think that I'm that special.

[bunjamons]

@Loals So what you are saying, is that because you don't believe in something you can't be wrong and because I do believe in something I can be wrong and my beliefs are just wishful thinking. And no offense, I really don't understand the difference between believing in no God and not believing in a God.

I don't insist on selling myself short, and I don't care how bad you think I am because you are neither the example nor the establisher of what is good. I know I am not sinless by any means.

[bunjamons]

@Loals I believe that whether or not you realize it or not, we are all influenced by our environment/ society as to what is considered "good or bad". I choose to submit to a higher power's rule rather than that of other people. A rule that is universal and transcends geographical barriers.

[Loals]

@bunjamons I've never seen any evidence of such a thing as a "universal [morality] that transcends geographical barriers" existing. Ask one Christian what god is and wants and you'll get one answer, ask another Christian and you'll get a contradictory one. Tests have shown that when theists are asked what their god wants, the area of their brain that lights up is the same as the one that lights up when they're asked what *they* want.

Besides, what you're saying is that you wish to be a slave.

[bunjamons]

@Loals Well to be quite honest, a lot of "Christians" don't read their Bible, they settle for what information is easy to come by. And beings that we still don't understand much of anything about the brain, I wouldn't use brain activity scans to imply something so severe.

It's not whether I want to be or not, the fact is that we are all slaves either way. The difference is that some (you) don't know that you are slaves, and further more don't recognize what master you serve.

[Loals]

@bunjamons Considering that there is no evidence for - let alone a coherent definition of - this god, and that this god always seems to agree with whatever the theist him/herself already believes, I think it's very likely that theists are just saying what they think themselves.

And, by what right, may I ask, do you call me a slave? If there was an omnipotent god, it's true I couldn't stop it from making me one, but you are arguing as if you actually *want* to be one. I don't, and I'm not.

[bunjamons]

@Loals I believe the evidence for him is all around us, in his creation. You may argue that he didn't create the Universe around us, but where is your evidence for that. In the end you rely on what someone else tells you to deduct that a God does not exist. You are a slave.

[Loals]

@bunjamons Nope. That the universe exists is only evidence that the universe exists. You haven't proven creation, nor have you proven that there is a "he" to create anything to begin with (and what created that "he"?). You haven't even given me the slightest reason to suspect there might be a grain of truth there. You're the one making the positive claim here, so the burden of proof is on *you*.

If you can't provide any evidence for your claim, then I don't need any evidence to dismiss it.

[Loals]

@bunjamons (cont.) and by the way, no, no one told me that "god does not exist". I used my own thinking capacity to come to my own conclusion. I suggest you try that for yourself, if only once.

[bunjamons]

@Loals so let me get this straight, you will settle in thinking that the universe exists without asking why or how, yet you call the faith of Christians arrogant. With all due respect, it seems that I am thinking just fine.

Look, I'm not here trying to convert you. I doubt that a random youtube commenter has that much influence (as they shouldn't). But I would suggest that you dig deeper and raise more questions than just the ones that try to disprove a God.

[Loals]

@bunjamons No, you're not. You're the one saying you have the answer to everything. I am saying *I don't know* the answer to those questions you mentioned. You also keep calling me a slave. Yes, I think you're the arrogant one, remember, I responded to the claim that Jesus was "humble" to think he could tell us how to run every little detail of our lives - just because. I say it again: if that isn't arrogant, nothing is.

I suggest you ask me before you conclude that I haven't thought about X.

[bunjamons]

@Loals I never said that I had the answers. In fact if you recall, I was quick to point out that no one knows the 100% truth and that it takes faith to believe. I did, however, try to illustrate that it also takes just as much faith (if not blind faith) to believe what other people tell you about the universe you live. You have a uncanny ability to resist entertaining a thought other than your own.

I conclude off the answers you give and statements you make.

[Loals]

@bunjamons I don't know where to start. First off, it doesn't take faith to accept science, so you're wrong about that. Second, you *are* claiming to know the answer, "goddidit", which is just a way to stop asking the questions and satisfying your (very limited) curiousity. Faith is per definition blind, and I don't have it.

The problem here isn't that I can't consider other people's ideas, it's that you haven't provided any of your own, and what little you've said is just ridiculous nonsense.

[bunjamons]

@Loals Science doesn't take faith? Have you yourself seen that the galaxies are drifting apart? Have you yourself proved that there wasn't a monumental flood thousands of years ago? I'm guessing no. Most of the scientific explanations that the general public take as truth, are just theories still. Don't tell me that it doesn't take faith to, not only believe in the first thing you hear out of a scientist's mouth, but also use those claims to deduct there isn't a god.

[bunjamons]

@Loals (cont) You still claim that it is arrogant to think that it is humble for Jesus to lead us and tell us how to live. But if you could entertain the thought that he just might be the all knowing God that created the Universe, then you wouldn't have felt the need to come to a Christian video and make fun of the thought in effort to embarrass the Christians who believe it. You go out of your way to challenge religions and spread your doubt and in the second breath claim we are close minded

[Loals]

@bunjamons Sigh. No, science doesn't require faith. Anything that does, is not science. I've repeatedly said, though, that my rejection of your laughable beliefs is not based on science. It's based on the fact that your beliefs are laughable.

What I'm saying is that EVEN IF Jesus was the allknowing god etc. etc. (a claim he never actually made AFAIK), it would STILL be extremely arrogant to come and say that he could run every little detail of our lives. It would make absolutely no difference.

[cbcjr116]

@Loals Actually, Jesus did claim to be God: John 10:30-33- Jesus said, "I and the Father are one." The Jews picked up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, "I have shown you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you going to stone me?" The Jews answered Him, "It is not for a good work that we are going to stone you, but for blasphemy, for you, being a man, claim to be God."

[Loals]

@cbcjr116 Have you read that in context? If you haven't, do that. You will see that what he's saying is that God is doing his work through Jesus, not that Jesus is god.

You will also find that Jesus contradicts the Jews. I quote:

10:36: "do ye say of Him whom the Father hath sanctified and sent into the world, `Thou blasphemest,' because I said, `I am the Son of God'?"

Whom will you believe here? Jesus or the Jews?

[cbcjr116]

@Loals lol yes i have read that in context hundreds of times. And the "Son of God" actually means "God the Son". (You know, the Holy Trinity: Father, Son, Holy Spirit?) The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all God- 3 parts of 1 triune God. Jesus is God the Son, aka the Son of God. So I will believe Jesus here, that He is God.

[Loals]

@cbcjr116 (don't miss my second reply)

Ah, you're going to change Jesus' words to make them fit what you want. Tell me, how are you following him again, as opposed to making him follow you? But hey! I can do the same and say that the "Son of God" actually means "God the Borg", and that we should all assimilate.

[cbcjr116]

@Loals Oh sorry, I just saw this haha... and no I'm not changing Jesus' words at all; look at the original text, not one of the many translations that are often ruined by humans. The original text is infallible, and is directly from God. He said that Jesus is God the Son... And LOL about the God the Borg thing, that's actually pretty funny, but really though, "Son" of God = "One part" of a triune God, that one part being the Son.

[Loals]

@cbcjr116 I would gladly look at the original, but we don't have it; it's been long lost. It doesn't exist anymore, so how can you know that's what it said? (And in any case, even if we had it I would still require a translation, since I doubt it was written in modern day Swedish or English. :p)

[cbcjr116]

@Loals Actually, there have been around 5600 New Testament manuscripts that have been found and verified; that's thousands more than the works of Homer (643), Aristotle (49), Caesar (10), and Plato (7), and we hardly ever question the validity of those. And yes, most people would require a translation, but if you take the time to study ancient Greek/Hebrew, you can read the original text.

[cbcjr116]

@Loals And actually, it would be extremely arrogant to not let Him run every detail of our lives; He loves us all and that's what He desires to do, but those of us who don't let Him are just storing up His eternal wrath for ourselves.. And if science doesn't require faith, how do you explain the idea that the entire universe, and everything seen and unseen could possibly be created out of NOTHING? There has to be a Creator in order for there to be a Creation.

[Loals]

@cbcjr116

If you change "Him" in that text to "Big Brother", do you see why I think your faith is just a creepy wish to be a slave?

Science also doesn't say that everything (or anything) was created out of nothing. You haven't established that the universe is a creation, either.

[cbcjr116]

@Loals "Big Brother?" Yeah if you did that, I could understand how you feel that way, but it is not our "Big Brother", it is the God of the universe... And okay, well then how do you believe the universe came into existence?

[Loals]

@cbcjr116 I don't know. I don't even know that our universe necessarily "came into existence" at all, as opposed to always having existed.

I still don't see how switching one slave owner to another and changing nothing else means that it's no longer slavery.

[cbcjr116]

@Loals Ahh okay, I see what you're saying. So basically, you think the universe is eternal and has no beginning or end, just as we believe about God. And you're right about the whole slave thing; the Bible says that when one becomes a Christian, he is no longer a "slave to sin", but a "slave to righteousness", or a "slave to God". But really, if one is a slave to God, leading to eternal life in Heaven, that is actually freedom. If one is a slave to sin, leading to eternal damnation, (cont)

[cbcjr116]

@Loals (cont) that isn't freedom at all.

[Loals]

@bunjamons (cont.) But, of course, he wasn't even that. If he existed at all, he was nothing but a human being who claimed that god was his daddy and that means he has the right to be our Kim Jong-il. If this is the Christian version of being "humble"...

[bunjamons]

@Loals Don't get me wrong, I am very much a moral-bound individual. And many friends consider me to be one of the nicest guys they know. But that's not to say that I don't struggle to be that way. I sometimes slip up and act in hypocritical manners that contradict what I believe; sometimes letting my wants and pride come before other's... but without my faith in my beliefs and morals, I would struggle a whole lot less against those desires.

[KurtyWhisper]

Religion is so stupid.

[Jerkwad152]

@KurtyWhisper

Yes, it is. That's exactly why Jesus likened religion to a bloody tampon. :3

[roac7777]

Driscoll is like a demented cobra. He spreads the toxic poison of religion. He makes a living out of telling lies to people. There is no scientific evidence of any god or creator. Like all life we primates have evolved and share the same ancestor as modern day apes.

[ASUmountaineermaniac]

Nitpicking at what someone wheres is absurd. Obviously if someone is wearing something that may cause someone to stumble, that is wrong. But in this case, WHO CARES? Why does what kind of jeans he wears matters? Is it causing you to stumble? If it is, I challenge you to check your heart. Nitpicking is such a problem among Christians and the church today. We should challenge things, yes. We should argue for things, yes. But the kind of jeans he is wearing? No. Get over the things that dont matter

[platnium1811]

baha people at my church wear these cloaths allt he time heck the guys wear skinny leg jeans! lol

[slyer72]

he is wearing torn pants, lol a designer jeans wow

[joshcherrymusic]

God doesn't look at our clothes...He looks at our hearts...

[CallmeMell]

@joshcherrymusic hey...i dont think thats the case. I think God does look at our clothes because the way we dress shows what kind of heart we have. God commands us not to dress sensually for example so obviously he looks at our clothes.

[martkac]

@CallmeMell It's absolutely true that we should' t dress inappropriately, but you have got to agree that Mark doesn't look very "sensual" lol

[CallmeMell]

@martkac yea i agree that he doesnt dress sensual but i wouldnt mind hearing a second opinion from people who i know are saved and mature in the faith.

[samjohnson2008]

@CallmeMell basically, if you wear an item of clothing that (this is for both sexes) has a inappropriate image on it, slogan on it, word on it or just general culture behind that specific item, i think you need to evaluate your wardrobe, simply because you may not be representing Christ in the right manner. Also, if girls wear revealing stuff, not only does it reflect the possibility that they may be showing insecurity, but also it may make a lot of men stumble due to girls/porn being an issue

[naleac]

Listening to this after listening to "Tolerance Rant"?

[miniolah]

@naleac I've just done exactly the same. Caaaaaaaaalllm.........

[MrsMcknight86]

Matthew 6:28...don't worry about clothes (heavily paraphrased) As a christian you are called to BE the church. The church isn't the building, it's the people who make it a place of worship. So what if he dresses like a teenage hipster? Is he preaching the truth? Yes. He's fully covered...just not in a robe. If by him wearing "street clothes" to church he is doing something wrong then anytime ANYONE dresses that way they are because God sees you 100% of the time, not just in your "church"

[sp4de69]

You know what would be an even more unintelligent bumper sticker?

God is real

[leafclash]

@sp4de69

I guess it could be worse.

I mean, it could say

A monkey is my uncle. Literally.

[MattinatorHax]

98nafets: 1 Corinthians 9:19-23

Also, there is nothing especially sacred about "worship" (by which I assume you mean singing?) in a church building. The only sacred places in the NT is the holy temple into which believers are being built (Eph 2:19-22; cf 1 Peter 2;4-8) and the New Jerusalem which is coming at the end of all things (Rev 21:2, 10).

There's no Biblical basis to criticise ripped jeans in a church.

[98nafets]

@MattinatorHax

"there is nothing especially sacred about \

"worship""

Are you serious? You don't think we

should show respect to the church and

treat it as a special place? I'm not saying

you need to wear a suit, but you should show

some reverence to God. He looks like he is

going to the mall, not delivering a sermon.

[MattinatorHax]

@98nafets I think we should give respect to the body of believers that Christ came here for - that is the Church, and all else is a false substitute. The idea that we go to a special building where got is more present is Old Covenant Temple theology, not New Testament theology.

And Pastor Mark shows plenty of reverence for God in the way he treats the Bible and in the way he considers precious the life, death and ressurection of Christ precious. Reverence is found in lifestyle, not clothes.

[98nafets]

Paul walked around preaching the Word from town to town. He was beaten and thrown into jail multiple times. He had very little more than the clothes on his back. He had very little money.

Mark spends most of his time preaching in one church. He has enough money and is not being persecuted. In fact, I bet those jeans he bought pre-ripped are more expensive than an intact pair of jeans.

I know we praise God everywhere in life but the Church is still a sacred place that should be treated as such

[crem004]

There is nothing sacred about a church building built by human hands. There are many churches that worship and have discipleship without a church building. Don't let a building become an idol. Assembly can be held anywhere at anytime. Christianity should not be confined to Sunday mornings under a steeple. God bless.

[macroheart]

@crem004 I like how you think!

[flagranger]

Good message, but he looks like a bum. He knocks silly stickers (and he is right in doing so) but his clothing, although very hip for generation X, proves to be a distraction. It is just a way to call attention to himself. He may as well be dressed up like the Joker! Look at me, ain't I now?

[98nafets]

I usually don't care what people wear to church, but I believe there is something wrong with pastor Mark wearing ripped jeans while giving a message. I don't think people have to go to church in suits, but when you go to the house of God you should wear clothes that show a little respect. You're not going to the movies or the mall, you are going to worship God.

[irishsallie]

I agree with you and as Christians we understand reverence for God, but he is addressing the most unchurched part of the US and he first has to get them to come to hear the message. Some people find pastors in suits intimidating and won't come to church... As they grow, they change their appearance... or at least that is what I've noticed...

[carmenpaco]

RE: ..." he is addressing the most unchurched part of the US "...no, he is addressing PEOPLE. Remeber, you never need to try to stand out when "CHRIST IN YOU...the hope of glory" is the most OUTSTANDING thing about you (us)

[isaacjennethan]

Maybe he should wear a robe and sandles like Christ. No scriptural evidence about wearing casual vs dressy attire in church. doesnt mean you wear dazy dukes or cleavage hanging. dont wanna be temptation. to some a suit and tie is intimidating

[111222cabinet]

@98nafets Hi, I'm a young Christian guy. With no doubt Jesus is my best friend. But if I hung out with my mates dressed up to respect them, they'd think I'd gone mad because that's not the person they know. Jesus loves me, for me. Jesus touched lepers and raised people from the dead. I would think that His incredible grace is enough to cover the clothes I'm wearing (or not wearing). Lastly, if I'm going to show my friends Jesus, then they need to know He accepts them just as they are too. Peace

[DollyDagger18]

You've probably already heard this come-back to that awful bumper sticker but--

"If God is your co-pilot, you should change seats!"

Now there's a good bumper sticker!

[xTRUExHATEx]

A better one: "Jesus, save me from your followers."

[aarmil02]

@DollyDagger18 Amen to that

[espacodevida]

Well...guys....I think that you don't believe in God but you have watched videos from Mark Driscoll , you are having your chance of accepting Christ as your personal saviour...

Careful not to regret the choices you are making...

As for Chrsitians, stop discussing, God has alright planted the seed...we got more souls to reach and to tell them...stop losing your time debating with people who don't want to accept Jesus as their personal saviour....

[MrRazzeldazzel88]

@espacodevida how is he your personal saviour if he saves everyone that accepts him? not very personal is it.

[JapanAnimeSuki]

You dress like a douchebag , and you have a douchebag haircut. You sound like a pissy kid ranting about God.

[JapanAnimeSuki]

Since this "preacher" posted up his videos on youtube, enabled comments to be displayed and encouraged criticism; I AM in a position to make a perceptional judgment on him, regardless of what his occupation might be. Go back to school and maybe you can learn to insult someone properly like i just did to you.

[JapanAnimeSuki]

I'm sorry, when did i ever make a bible reference or say that i follow the bible? Thats right I didn't. Hence your factual observation is based off of your own stupidity. As for immature, for a 45 year old, I hardly believe that is your age, because your comments are simply pathetic and childish. Please don't respond further and save yourself the embarrassment.

[JapanAnimeSuki]

Once again, I never stated I wasn't aware of that reference, you just assumed I wasn't because I didn't follow it. Assumption is a logical flaw. Secondly, solely for the fact that I refer to him as a douchebag, because he does appear to me as such, doesn't make me childish, its my own view. However, arguing with someone with no substance in their argument is childish. However, I am having fun tearing apart your comments.

[Soldier7of7Christ]

I fail to see how you were tearing apart my comments, but after some reflection, His hair is kinda "douchie" looking.... but his message rings true...oh well I will in Christian humility apologize for my comments to you... In criticizing you for being insulting, i did the same thing, making me out as the very hypocrite I accused you of being... but then again, I got beat up in high school...a lot...lol... take care ...

[Soldier7of7Christ]

by the way. 8damienking8= Soldier7of7Christ... just to clear things up...

[okplayer420]

I agree, Driscoll is dressed like he just got off of work at UPS and barely got to his shitty church filled with a congregation of mindless drones in time to change into his preacher uniform. Driscoll is a douche!

[Damonbcool]

so what, "stupid bumper stickers" there just spreading the word in their way. Who are you ? Don't read them.

[okplayer420]

Driscoll is too STUPID to understand a STUPID bumper sticker. I think that the "Jesus is my co-pilot" sticker is dumb, but at least I get it.

It doesn't refer to the individuals entire life, they are referring to the time they spend in their car. When they are behind the wheel of their car, Jesus is their co-pilot. I suppose Driscoll gets in the passenger seat, buckles up, and prays for Jesus to drive him around town.

Driscoll is a moron.

[cliffordchesney]

his jeans probably cost more than i have in my savings account. is that a slam on my ability to save? no. it is a slam on his choice of clothing. at least they are holy. ha.

[houseguy4]

LOL! I know the guy who first(?) printed GOD IS MY CO-PILOT bumper stickers back in the early 80's. I had never seen one before.

After he sold a gazzillion, he regretted the co-pilot theme just as Mark described.

[kirkoverstreet]

I was in Macys and Nordstroms for ours looking for the sections "Church Clothes". I saw the suits but I thought the ties where for car sells man and lawyers. ha ha!

[Eric0873]

I hear ya Pastor Mark! I can't stand those bumper stickers either!! :)

[queenofsheba1000]

he's a good teacher

[FATMIME]

Love Pastor Mark. I wish I was allowed to preach in my everyday clothes.

[lucasdasilvamaria]

Youre commanded to wear special clothes to preach? Are you a padre?

[Designmimetics]

Yeah although I'm not a preacher our youth group pastor allows us to wear hats in church where some churches make you take them off. God doesn't care about what you wear to Church but he cares about where your heart really is. Make sure your saved before you decide rather someone should wear special clothing to church or not

[platnium1811]

@FATMIME why not? i dont see nothing wrong with speaking bout the gospel in jeans lol

[DeathbySasquatch]

@FATMIME Why not mate? Do it.

[Alkwondo11]

@FATMIME Believe that you're under grace, not the law my friend. :)

[the13thof12]

@FATMIME He is a good preacher; but his dress shows a lack of respect for his office.

[Jerkwad152]

@the13thof12

Don't worry about the man's clothes. Just pay attention to what he's saying.

It's not like his man parts are hanging out.

[the13thof12]

@Jerkwad152 Your self-presentation does say something.

[Jerkwad152]

@the13thof12

In this case, Mark's making it abundantly clear that he's not better than his congregation.

A pastor I knew years ago said it best: "compared to God, you and me have the same value -- you ain't worth fifteen stinkin ' cents". :3

[the13thof12]

@Jerkwad152 I think it's the opposite. He's drawing attention to himself. He's also showing a lack of respect for his office (as the father has sent me so I send you) by dressing like a bored teenager. Don't get me wrong. Mark Driscoll has some good things to say; I just think he needs to rethink his ideas about his self-presentation.

[Jerkwad152]

@the13thof12

You should watch the clip on Thiesm. :3

[CHANCECJ]

@the13thof12 Why focus on what he looks like instead of focusing on what the man says. Stop criticizing what people dress like or look like, when you should take the plank out of your own eye.

[the13thof12]

@CHANCECJ Why present yourself in a way that makes it inevitable that people will notice what you look like?

[Grrrrtt]

@the13thof12 explain John the Baptist then? he dressed like a cave man.

[the13thof12]

@Grrrrtt God told him to.

[Grrrrtt]

@the13thof12 Well I was convicted by the Holy Spirit to not be concerned with how I dress or what I look like when I preach as long as my words are the truth, I'm sure Driscolls story is similar. 1 Peter 3:3-4

"Your beauty should not come from outward adornment, such as elaborate hairstyles and the wearing of gold jewelry or fine clothes. Rather, it should be that of your inner self, the unfading beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is of great worth in God’s sight."

It doesn't matter!

[the13thof12]

@Grrrrtt You're going to site a passage about how women are to behave in defense of your position on how a preacher presents himself? Okay. I guess if it doesn't bother you when a preacher looks like a slob that's up to you.

[Jerkwad152]

@the13thof12

The preacher doesn't look like a slob. He looks like a regular guy.

You do realize that "proper dress" is extremely subjective. They didn't have suit and tie three hundred years ago. The preacher wore a simple, unadorned robe. Nothing fancy. Don't let someone's clothes be the first thing you notice about them. Someday you might be walking the streets, unwashed, wearing a stained shirt and ripped jeans.

[the13thof12]

@Jerkwad152 He looks like a bratty teenager. He should grow up and dress like and adult with an important job.

[Jerkwad152]

@the13thof12

You're completely missing the point. *sigh*

The kind of clothes he's wearing don't amount to a hill of beans in the eyes of the Lord, and maybe, just maybe, they make him a bit more relatable to his target audience.

[seaweed810]

@FATMIME why aren't you?