As long as we have souls there will be religion. It is not un-"reason"-able to ask "what happens when i die" or "what is love". Those are questions science will never be able to answer. The more science and our culture evolves the more religion will too. He makes no real good points but the truth is, is that they r both VERY important. People need to reconsider before they jump into conversations with so much conviction. Its like pitting Einstein against Gandhi. The world needs both...
@dlenz4437 In a literal sense we -don't- have souls, The soul is something that's completely made up by the functions of our brain. Science CAN answer "what is love" its a different set of brain waves, Science CAN answer "What happens when I die?" you cease to exist. Everything you've ever even remotely comprehended is just -gone- forever, You never sense anything ever again and its the most terrifying shit I can think of, I understand why people believe in religion but there IS truth out there.
@dlenz4437 Perhaps you're right that science - insofar as science deals only in cold, hard evidence - cannot satisfactorily answer questions like "what is love". But the mistake you make is in thinking, "Therefore, only religion can answer those questions". I say we should stick to philosophy - which is based on reason and discourse - rather than ancient mythologies, out-dated pre-science, and the social mores of bronze age nomads.
Without religion people who aren't charitable by heart will not give to the needy or contribute to those who are less fortunate. With religion they may do it for mainly selfish reasons, but as long as they're bringing good to society that's what counts. And whether there is a God or not, I think it's good to believe in some kind of superior being, it brings humilty to individuals.
religion is a good thing, but at the same time its wrong. we would have been lost and confused for so long of a time without religion, that we would not have been able to evolve. religion kept order and provided explanations and examples for every day life, but now science is slowly moving in. "sometimes its not the reward of the journey we should be after, but the journey itself.", kind of funny, i got that from a fortune cookie, but its very true. in this case the reward are answers in life.
@SeedsOfHatred and this is coming from someone called "seeds of hatred".for some reason i see atheists as dudes sitting behind computers,with the i'm so smart look.lmao.it's faith morons that's why you don't believe it,because you do not have faith.much easier to believe something you see and touch because you're week spiritually. :)
@Erstaunliche8Jungen But the question becomes, why SHOULD we have faith? I mean, if you also presuppose the existance of an invisible deity, it's easy to sit back and say atheists are just spiritually weak. But why is faith a good thing? Why is it a sign of weakness not to take a leap of faith in someone else's unsubstantiated theories (especially since there are so many contradictory claims that are just as baseless)? Why not just cut the crap and use our reason, our intelligence?
I think people dig religion because they are usually taught about it before they are taught about science. For example, most Scandinavian students have religion from the first grade, yet they are taught about chemistry and physics for the first time when they enter junior high. At that point they are at least 12 years old. That time difference is at least five years. It is even more if the kids have religious Sunday school during their kindergarten years (ages 4+), namely 8 years.
God did not create man, man created god. All religions are human invention, created to try and explain natural phenomena that was not yet understood. People thought a rainbow was miraculous. The more we understand, the less our need for a god to explain the natural world. Hopefully, religion will die out altogether in the near future, we don't need it anymore, we have outgrown it.
@lax4lyphe We're here because the observable process of evolution has brought us here. You and I, specifically, are here because things happened to work out in just the right way and WE are here. Of all the millions of other sperm that could have broken through the egg at our conception, our just happened the be the strongest, and we began growing from there.
That is why we're here. There is nothing mystical or magical about it. I'm sorry it's not as fun as "God", but it's reality.
Religion is not a failed science. It is a lack their of. If you do a demographic on the most uneducated areas of the planet, you will find that it is almost identical to that of a religious one.
so religion has really convinced people.. that theres an invisble man living in the sky who watches everything you do every minute and every day.. and the invisble man has a special list of 10 things he does not want you to do and if u do any of these 10 things.. he has a special place full of fire and smoke and burning, torture and anguish where he will send you to live, to suffer, to burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever till the end of time..... BUT HE LOVES YOU!?
@061323980 God does not send people to Hell. God actualy wants everyone to go to heaven. In reality its your Choice, If You Accept the Word and Build that relationship with God (that will only better your life), you will Go to Heaven. You will Go Not to live in Paradise but to be with your Creator which is the Gift. But, if you Reject the Word , Spread Lies of the word, Insult, Etc You Are sending Your Self To Hell.
@123surger God has always been about the S&M thing, hasn't he? Haha, good ol' God. It's ok, I suppose; he created the heavens and the Earth and all that is good - I think he's earned an eternal-torture-chamber to masturbate to.
@123surger Hey now, I'm not the one who allows people to be tortured for all eternity for not agreeing with me, while those who DID agree with me get to watch from Heaven and rejoyce that those filthy non-believers got what they deserved.
Only a sick, twisted, egotistical and sadistic bastard would allow something like that to happen.
@SeedsOfHatred You are Lost as if the people in heaven rejoyce! People of heaven would not rejoyce for the people who are in hell. The poeple of heaven would only want the people in hell to come to heaven with them. God does no wantthem to be tortured or suffer. He gave them a choice and they sent them selves to torture! They could have come to Heaven with out any problem!
@123surger And yet, I've spoken to several devout Christians who very arrogantly (and maliciously) tell me that it would be "a blessing" to watch us non-believers suffer God's sadistic wrath in Hell.
And whether your God gave us a choice or not, at some point, our debt will have been paid. Thus, an ETERNITY of horrific torture is simply overkill, and leaves no other choice but to label your God as a masochist. In which case, I wouldn't want to worship him anyway. I wont bow to a sadistic tyrant
@SeedsOfHatred No haha God' Motive is Worship me , become my child, and i will Bless You on the earth and show the realLove i Have foryou! and For the People who do not believe in me, show them the truth and how you are My child and how they can become My Children and experience my Love!
@123surger I have virtually no beliefs in God, so no, I am not lost about that.
In regard to your dogmatic teachings, however, I'm fairly spot-on. Because you conveniently left out the part that when you can't "show them the truth so that they become my children too", they then suffer horrific agony for years upon years; decades upon decades; aeons upon aeons.
Your God is a masochist. There is simply no other way to put it.
@SeedsOfHatred By beliefs I ment like ideas, thoughts, etc.
Sir just becuase someone did know about truth, that doesnt mean they will goto hell. That person would be judged apon the way they were in their life. They would Go to Heaven if they were strong in their belief and showed fallowing of their belief such as Kind or Godd actions, but if that Person was Murderer and was a and evil person and did no believe the beliefs that surrounfd Him then he would go to Hell.
@123surger Funny, because many (if not all) Christians will say that if you don't believe in their God, they're bound for Hell.
I was even speaking to a Christian recently who told me that no matter how well I live my life, if I don't believe in his God, I am considered "evil" and will suffer the consequences.
And again, even if I were a murderer; at some point, my debt in Hell would be payed. But God would rather I burn for an eternity.
@SeedsOfHatred Well with what i said imeant it for people who never new about christ like native americans and etc. That Christian is Saved but is wrong for condeming people to Hell. Many Christians Such as myself preach not to condem people to hell but spread the truth and work to try to save souls .
@123surger None of that was even close to being in the same vein as my original point.
You're now doing what every god-awful Christian does when I bring up Hell - you're tiptoeing around the suggestion that Hell is a horrific, sadistic and masochistic concept; much too sadistic for a supposedly "just" and "loving" God. You're now commenting on who the "good" Christians are. That has nothing to do with what I've been saying about God and Hell.
@SeedsOfHatred I know how horible hell is and how people suffer in ways so unimagenable and to top it off the suffering will never end. But hell was not made for humans and was made for Satan. IM not trying to tipie toe away from hell i know God is not some flying sky daddy that so nice and loving and would never send someone to hell.God is almighty,powerfull, and Loving. He doesnt send people to hell but has hell for those who would no want to walk in the path he has set for the world.
@123surger He has Hell for those who didn't live the way he wanted.
Meaning, he allows them to go there. He is, after all, the almight God, is he not? He has full control of all things. And yet, he doesn't stop them from going to the torture chamber that he himself created for them?
Somehow this makes him a nice guy?
As I've said; either way you spin it or try to justify it - a God who allows people to burn in Hell is a masochist. There is no way around it. Your God in an evil god.
@SeedsOfHatred The true Evil God is the God of Islam. Allah , Look It up! The God actualy Condems People to hell and wants certain people toGo, but thats off topic. Again im niot trying to justify God, Does not Send People to Hell and The reason God doesnt stop people from going to Hell Because People sent themselves and are full of sin.
You are wrong to say God created for people that are not saved, Hell was made for satan not people. So stop saying God made hell for people!!
@SeedsOfHatred You have no idea of the bibleand interprite it in your own way. Satan doesnt run hell! Im done Debating with you , your an Idiot and make the stupidest claims!
@123surger Well, as I interpret it, there's no Hell at all - but it seems that God's undeniable, infallible word is highly subjective. Oddly enough. And because of this, you people can twist it any way you wish. If one person wants there to be a Hell; his god reflects it. If another person doesn't want there to be a Hell; his God reflects it.
"your an Idiot and make the stupidest claims!"
Kind of the pot calling the kettle black, don't you think?
@SeedsOfHatred You are funny. Your points about Hell reminds me of the essay where the writer concludes that Hell is exothermic. :D
I think the theists have a knack for creating abstractions exclusively fitting for the argument they have at hand. It might be some kind of apologetic tradition, who knows.
I think the monotheism is a "partner religion" that empowers the individual and appeals to our imagination with its mystical content.
Like one's own kids, religion becomes part of one's ego.
@OrthodoxDarwinist Where in the world did you get that? I've seen vids of Sam repeatedly calling out Christians and Jews for their part in condoning, promoting and allowing extremism and terrorism. He goes so far (even in this very video series) as to condemn moderates for failing to speak out against extremism and recognize the religious motivation to terrorism because of their beliefs. Such hard stances can hardly be taken as partial towards one faith or another. You need to have another look.
@OrthodoxDarwinist Links please. No unsupported baseless claims here. As i said, it's difficult to take your word for it given that he says much to the opposite of your claim on a regular basis.
"Harris then gained some notoriety for defending Israeli government military actions in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict" - Wiki.
He is a vehement Zionist and has written in his essay (pretty shit essay for someone supposedly so educated): "Head-in-the-Sand Liberals" which attacks Liberals for not supporting Israel more.
So yea. But then again I somehow get the feeling that truth and reality might not be what you are looking for -- you want to ignore the "inconvenient facts".
@OrthodoxDarwinist For instance, [liberals] ignore the fact that Muslims intentionally murder noncombatants, while we and the Israelis (as a rule) seek to avoid doing so. Muslims routinely use human shields, and this accounts for much of the collateral damage we and the Israelis cause; the political discourse throughout much of the Muslim world, especially with respect to Jews, is explicitly and unabashedly genocidal. ...
@AndreisEntaro "Given these distinctions, there is no question that the Israelis now hold the moral high ground in their conflict with Hamas and Hezbollah". -wiki Is that be what you are referring to? He is completely anti-extremism and mostly anti-Islam. If his facts are straight then his critique is valid. It's practically trivial to say one warring group has the moral high ground atm. The distinction here is the method of conducting said war. Both are still crazy for fighting a religious war.
@AndreisEntaro But say what you will, having read your argument I believe it is untenable and anyone who cares to have a look will find his positions on these matters quite different from those you wish to assign to him.
Exactly, and in that he ignores that Israel kills civilians at a rate of 11.3:1 and that the IDF itself argued in the Israeli courts that it should continue to be allowed to use Palestinian kids as human shields....
Funny how he doesn't these facts. Could it be because he himself is Jewish???? I think the answer is pretty obvious. He is a h-y-p-o-c-r-i-t-e, and hypocrites, just like liars are the scum of the academic world.
@OrthodoxDarwinist It seems you are merely annoyed at him for not talking down all religions equally; you also seem a bit desperate to have others agree with you about this. So here's what you can do, shoot him an email or show up at his next public appearance and raise the issue. Tell him you think his facts are off and see what he says when pressed on this. All I will say is that it seems highly unlikely that he is a secret jew or zionist.
@OrthodoxDarwinist On the contrary, you have continuously made this assertion which, whether you can see it or not, conflicts with much of what Harris says publicly about religions, and made only cursory attempts to support it. I offer you a different perspective on the matter and and method by which you might prove your own; you would actually be foolish to assume the worst in others without at least considering that your chosen point of view on this could be wrong.
Why does Sam Harris support the killing of civilians by Israeli Jews, but spends his life going about about Muslim terrorism? Also, name one time and provide a link where he has ever been critical of Judaism.
And if you can't answer these two questions then the fact remains that he is a hypocrite.
You're attempts to hide these facts are rather pathetic and clearly desperate/biased.
@OrthodoxDarwinist Your question is so loaded it serves no other purpose that to show your bias. As such, I will answer that as soon as you tell when you stopped beating your wife and why? Or perhaps, why did you give up supporting terrorists yourself?
It is quite clear that, far from being willing to discuss the facts, you wish so dearly to discredit this man that you are perhaps incapable of seeing anything but your pre-selected disposition.
@OrthodoxDarwinist I, again, raise my challenge to you: Talk to Sam Harris, bring up the very issues you have addressed here in a calm and rational manner and see what the man says publicly about this. You are then free to take the entirety of his response and spread it around for the good judgment of his supporters and detractors alike. If you will not do this, I find little reason to take you seriously.
@OrthodoxDarwinist I further give you a proposition. Let's assume, for the sake of the argument, that you are correct and Sam Harris is a secret Zionist. Let's say he actually thinks as you say and hopes to see the Jews as a people reclaim all of the land assigned them by the UN at the end of WWII Palestine be damned. He mother was Jewish after all. This internal disposition changes nothing about his public positions on the faith of the Jews or on the dangers of Islam.
@OrthodoxDarwinist If he is partial to the Jews, and this gives him a blind eye to their transgressions, this ineptitude would do little to no damage to the arguments he makes against faith in general and the extremism of Islam in particular. He has even been publicly partial to Christians, chastising secularists for saying they are just as bad as Islamic extremists. He has defended this position by pointing out that Islam is the more dangerous at the moment and should be dealt with as such.
@OrthodoxDarwinist Finally, I give you this to address your civilian casualty rate concerns, which you quote incorrectly. commentarymagazine(dot)com/2010/10/25/wikileaks-and-the-gaza-war/
The article points out that the IDF has, in fact, been successful in it's very real attempts to minimize civilian casualties by even the most anti-Israel measurements.
So, as it happens, Sam Harris is right in his commentary on that matter. Which lends further support to the case for your own bias.
Ah and now the TRUTH comes out!!! You're a rabid Zionist YOURSELF!!! How am I not at all surprised by that? Did I not say before that there was a very foul smelling BIAS to your views?
@OrthodoxDarwinist I'm rolling right now, you are too predictable and hilarious. I promise you right now, no person with anything like a sane mind will ever take you seriously.
@OrthodoxDarwinist Insults get you no where at all. Are you trying to convince people to consider your position or just ranting and calling names on anyone who disagrees with you?
All you have are loaded questions and name calling. I presented one singular piece that refutes you on a factual point and now, rather that addressing your drop, you have name calling and more loaded questions. I am so far from a position on the Gaza conflict that I refuse to debate it with you.
'Israel used human shields: Amnesty,' Amnesty International/ The Age July 3, 2009.
"A 117-page Amnesty report charges Israeli forces with killing hundreds of unarmed Palestinian civilians, cynically using human shields and wanton destruction of thousands of homes. It accuses the Israel Defence Forces of launching attacks from buildings in which Palestinian civilians were sheltering."
Then again you do not see Palestinians as human beings so this is quite pointless...
How is the Zionists calling for their "right" to ethnically cleanse & ILLEGALLY (get that word through your head) occupy and blockade Palestinian land so that they can appropriate that land for living space for the "Chosen People" (Jews ONLY) in any way at all different to Hitler annexing Poland for "living space" for the "Master Race"??????
YOU Zionists are ideologically identical in every single way to the Nazis!! And the world is now waking up to this racism.
@OrthodoxDarwinist In fact, the only thing I care about in that conflict is that the US is giving a rather large amount of money to Israel for no good reason while also giving a rather large amount to Islamic nations for no good reason. That is just stupid.
How is the Zionists calling for their "right" to ethnically cleanse & ILLEGALLY (get that word through your head) occupy and blockade Palestinian land so that they can appropriate that land for living space for the "Chosen People" (Jews ONLY) in any way at all different to Hitler annexing Poland for "living space" for the "Master Race"??????
@OrthodoxDarwinist It's only too bad you refuse to operate on facts or stand up and ask Harris his to address what you see as an inconsistent position. But, if you wish to continue in this manner and hide in fear being satisfied only to accuse him behind his back then I am done talking to you. I leave you with only the reminder that your current methods only serve to discredit you and your position.
FOR THE SECOND TIME, WHY ARE YOU SO PATHETICALLY AND OBVIOUSLY AVOIDING THE QUESTION???????????????????????????????????
How is the Zionists calling for their "right" to ethnically cleanse & ILLEGALLY (get that word through your head) occupy and blockade Palestinian land so that they can appropriate that land for living space for the "Chosen People" (Jews ONLY) in any way at all different to Hitler annexing Poland for "living space" for the "Master Race"??????
AS LONG AS SCIENCE CANNOT PROVIDE METAPHYSICAL TRUTH, RELIGION WILL NEVER DISAPPEAR.
FYI SCIENCE CAN NEVER DO THAT, THIS IS AN OBVIOUS AXIOM OF LOGIC.
METAPHYSICS ARE BY DEFINITION NON MEASURABLE, SCIENCE IS EMPIRICALLY BASED.
FURTHERMORE BECAUSE SCIENCE CAN'T PROVIDE THIS TRUTH, RELIGIONS' EXISTENCE IS WARRANTED.
ALSO EXTREMIST ISLAM IS NOT ALL ISLAM. WHAT THOSE PEOPLE NEED IS EDUCATION TO UNDERSTAND THAT THEY ARE BEING TAUGHT A PERVERTED VERSION OF ISLAM, NOT THE RELIGION BE EXTERMINATED.
@lFlash4 Non-overlapping magisteria did not come along until about 1999 with Stephen Gould. If you espouse this point of view that's fine. It does have some very substantial criticisms lodged against it which I think makes the position untenable. However, you may not be allowed to pass the metaphysics off as defined away from the sciences at the outset. This is simply untrue. Metaphysics simply seeks to define the essence of things we find in reality. By definition, science may help with that.
To Non-religious men, the world you live in was founded on religion, imagine a world without religion...their wouldn't be no presidents or government, nothing like that...Each religion has one thing in common, we are all looking for Love. Non-religious and religious men, all of your questions have been answered.
@cristian12melendez Modern and scientific explanation? Either way you look at the bible, it is clear that it was not written in any way by the divine. The bible is full of all kinds of terrible things, and the god of the bible is not a good god. Who would want the judeo/christian god? Christianity and the bible, need to be thought of as mythology. Just like the greek and roman gods before. But for now, people just prefer there fairy tales.
@MrKGatl The World is full of terrible things, friend.
To answer your question.
Yes, but not just the Bible. Where we come from, our purpose in life,"Good" and "Bad", human history, the universe, physical mind and body, spiritual mind and body, God,Adam, Eve,Lucifer, Jesus, Symbols, religion and science, Heaven, Hell, Paradise, physical World, spirit World, Energy, the energy to create life on earth, etc..
@cristian12melendez Thomas Jefferson: "To talk of immaterial existences is to talk of nothings. To say that the human soul, angels, God, are immaterial, is to say they are nothings, or that there is no God, no angels, no soul. I cannot reason otherwise: but I believe I am supported in my creed of materialism by Locke, Tracy, and Stewart. At what age of the Christian church this heresy of immaterialism, this masked atheism, crept in, I do not know. But a heresy it certainly is."
Truth is eternal. It is only one. It is because there is only one God and He is the original entity of truth. God is the Parent of humankind and we are His children. Under that premise, what is the purpose of having numerous religions? God should feel joy when He sees many children. But if they are fighting against each other, would His heart not ache? Dear religious believers and non believers! Do not fight. Become one in harmony. God will be with us at the place where we unite as 1.
Atheist, you may fool the world, but you can't fool God, and you can't fool me. Your war against religion is only a diversion. Your war should be against sin, not against religion. You are all God DAMM hypocrites, you don't want to talk about the real problem, because u all know, that u will be found guilty of sin. I'm watching you.
@cmpresents Sin is made up. Morality can be reasoned without faith. You are a "god damn hypocrite". Using the lords name in vain, that's punishable by death, still want to argue for God's wrath? Look at the statistics of atheists vs. religious or just christian's in prison. Atheists make up <1% of the American prison system. So who's doing the sinning? Your belief makes you look down on others, that moral? I dont think so...
@thekingjoker25 queer, wow, you are a true atheist. You ppl refuse to come to God because you want to continue in your sins. You want to be able to call people names, insult ppl when ever the hell you want to. You are pathetic.
@cmpresents What a stupid and crazy christian, but im not surprised most of you are the same. Bible thumping fairy tale believers. One day all religions will be taught as mythology. Since there is zero evidence for god I dont think that im fooling your imaginary friend. The Christian god is a terrible god anyways, who would want it to exist.
Islam is not an Extremist Religion its that some people make it appear so.. and There is far less 'Stupid Stuff' in Islam than any other religion in the world..
Islam is Quite compatible with since for that matter..
And Science is only a Tool and we have just stated to scratch the surface of things around us and why we are here.
Moreover I think If religion and The Idea of God is completely abolished, we might have societies with really weak social Structures. We might just not be human anymore
@akib89 That's absurd! If we were truly free of the hateful bond of religion we would have morality based on the truths in society (don't steal because we don't want our stuff stolen, don't kill because we don't want to be killed)! Science would be free from the handcuffs religion has implemented for 2000 years! I think living in a rational society, based on human reasoning & logic, would be a paradise compared to the nonsense we put up with now! We'd live longer & have social peace & equality!
Religion is bullshit, it provides a Santa Clause for grown-ups and a way for people to get away commiting terrible acts against each other. We don't need anymore...PEACE
Evil exists. Demonic possessions and epilepsy exist. Demonic possessions are rare but they exist. The supernatural reveals itself to us. There are records. There have been sightings of ghosts and poltergeists and etc. I know people who have seen ghosts. I have seen one myself. How would you explain phenomenas such as the Amityville murders? Surely there is evil. I will remain a believer until science provides enough proof and a convincing arguement.
Are we creating for nothing. ?? we're just slaves ! we born to pray not to taking beers ! this life is just a part of a lesson, this life don't mean somthing .. we gona live 70 or 80 or 120 years ! but in judjment day some will withing a 50,000 year !! read the quran .. and be a muslim that the only way .. PS: jeus is not god or son of god !!! if jesus a god why he died ?? he just a messanger .. i will tell it again read the holy quran is the only way to know the good way
@SlimSpirit Jesus' death is an act of submission. He died so that we could live. You Muslims question how anyone could believe that their God would submit Himself to the whims of humankind, dying in the process. This is how a Good shepherd acts. Good shephers die for their sheep. They do not leave their sheep behind. Jesus spread the word through love. Muhammad spread the word via the sword. Muhammad killed people, married a 9 year old, rob and stole, and threatened his people with the sword.
@Egghead123123123 Listen bro! Jesus(peace upon him) his not dead! he still alive up in the sky, whiting the time until the anti-Christ came! and he Jesus will coming to kill the Anti-Christ and he will deprive the Cross and the pork & the ransom of the Church! The thing that all the Christines don't know is the man who was dying is not Jesus is a follower of jesus! whene Allah(god) Inspired him to tell to one of her followers "who accept be like me and die for me will have wage like my wage.....
We need religion. It provides for us the moral compass. We would not know right from wrong. Sure there is what we call "gut feeling." So Aetheists, living in a Christian neighborhood is different from living in a Muslim neighborhood. So does living in an Aetheist neighborhood is different from living in a Buddhist neighborhood etc. How would you explain this phenomena?
He calls himself a "freethinker"!? A free person will never call himself FREE, that we'll do only those who are cannot stand some facts! You know which facts...
"WE" don't need Religion, Priests and other professional parasites NEED Religion in order to keep from having to do anything resembling "Real Work." Any Priest, Minister, Mullah, or whatever who doesn't support themself by their own efforts, but instead "Skims" the collections is a fraud and deserves the roasting they threaten everyone else with.
How come people's opinions are always so radical? Whether religion diminishes or not makes little difference if we still fight for our differences instead of our common beliefs.
It's not about do you need or not any religion. It's about DID THAT WHAT THE RELIGION TEACHES REALY HAPPEND? It's easy to say things you say. But that's because you're born in this age and you have no clue why are you living. Aguess you know if you are an atheist WHAT YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE! You have to believe that the world is just a conicidence! Everything in nature is made by some measure. Everything is proportioned and synchronised! The biggest illusion is to thing there is no God. Seriously..
@enter08com But it's not synchronised.You only believe that because you happen to live in one of the good portions of the world.There are places where it hardly ever rains but people are there who lived back when the conditions were more favorable for human life.There are places that are perpetually cold, where hardly anything grows.Most of the water on this world is not naturally fit for human consumption.You dismiss all that and focus on the parts you like and say "it's perfect".It's not.
@gamesmaster35 I didn't said that the world is a paradise... That's a typical story for the people of nowadays... You always want more and more!!
A suggestion: Watch the documentary HOME.
P.S.
This man has no clue what he's talking about. Maybe he's doing this because he thinks so, but maybe not. He said: "JIHAD IS THE HIGHEST OBLIGATION IN ISLAM!" WHAT?! Do you know what Jihad is?! There is a hadith: "No, your biggest enemy dwells within each one of you; each must fight one's own ego."
@enter08com You said the world is proportioned not so.Tell the people in Ethopia that it is.There are places in the world that have more food than they know what to do with while that place most of the people don't have a pot to piss in.I'm just saying you have this idea of the world that is not realistic at all.And then when someone brings up it's not the way you think it is you want to make me seem like some spoiled child .Your argument was one of fine tuning and I'm saying it's not ...
@enter08com as fine tuned as you seem to think it is... As far as Jihad.I'm not a muslim and I came from a baptist background so I know little to nothing of their religion.I THINK Jihad means holy war and at least coming from the terrorist's anyway they do consider it a honor to die in service to their god.So his claim isn't completely baseless unless you know something that the rest of us don't.
@gamesmaster35 Jihad in arabic means EFFORT. Jihad as war means defending the religion. There is no such thing as a muslim terrorist because Islam is against terror:
“…if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole mankind: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole mankind.” (5:32)
Only a fool wouldn't defend the Truth! And I would kill too for Islam. In the name of God.
@enter08com as I said I know very little of anything about the muslim religion.Don't blame the people that simply take the words said by those people who also seemingly practice your faith and don't seem to have the good ol boy spirit that you seem to have. Although even you admit you would kill in your god's name so who knows you might strap a bomb on for the right circumstances.
@enter08com I always found the concept of dying for a god kind of strange.What can you do that a god cannot?I'm sure Allah if he exists is quite capable of standing up for himself being all powerful and all why would he need defenders.When people have been stoned to death for example why bother?If god wanted the infidel dead couldn't he just cause a heart attack and kill him on the spot himself.
@enter08com ok I looked up Jihad it actually means struggle.What you're struggling for or against depends on context.You referred to one type of struggle which is a inner struggle.Whether it's a inner struggle to do what is right or just or to follow the tenants of your religion.The other struggle is to defend your faith which is what the terrorists use of the word jihad is referring to.heh learn something new everyday.
@gamesmaster35 Look... If a person is a terrorist (kills innocent, no reasons to attack and similar) than you cannot talk about Jihad, Islam, muslims... But if a person deffends from aggression, kills for justice (!), fights against the enemy, than you cannot talk about terrosits. But muslims! And thank God, I'm a muslim!
@enter08com Ok but can't you see where that is a matter of interpretation?I'm sure if you could find and ask Bin Laden he would say he was fighting for justice, fighting for his god and his religion's right to exist in what he sees as western encroachment on his religion and his way of life.I personally see it as closed minded people who are scared of change trying to halt progress in the name of religious purity.Not because of any one religion but because that's what dogma does.
@gamesmaster35 It doesn't matter what people say. Because people can be wrong! Islam and the Qur'an can't be. Qur'an is a perfect book. So don' judge a religion by it's followers. You're trusting the media too much! Bin Laden did so much wrong. There are stories that he works actualy for the CIA. (search Tim Osman on Google) Watch the Arrivals on YT.
But if people would be so much addicted to the media, everyone would support any attack on the USA and Israel bacuase you have idea what's going on
@enter08com That is just ridiculous!How else would you judge a religion if not by the actions of the followers within it.If Islam or Christianity for that matter produced a near eutopian society with people that loved each other and made war and disease obsolete you wouldn't be hearing a word from me and there probablly wouldn't be as many atheist as there are.But it doesn't and much of why it doesn't is directly related to the holy books you hold dear.
@gamesmaster35 As much Islam has bad muslim, the more Christianity has bad Christians! If I want to learn something about Christianiy, I'll read the Bible! People can be wrong! Muslims today and muslims 1400 years ago are not the same, which is a proof that if you want to learn something about Islam, read the Qur'an! If not... Christianity is the worst religion of all becuse Hitler and Mouslini were Christians! And talking about the people... Noone can even point a finger to muslims in any area.
@enter08com Apparently you aren't listening.The problem isn't just the followers but the book itself is flawed to.Anything that advocates death simply because someone disagrees with your way of doing things can't be that good.Both books advocate killing a woman if she is not a virgin on her wedding night for example.Both advocate stoning to death someone who was of the faith who decided to leave it as another example.Following these books to the letter would create a terrible world.
@gamesmaster35 Islam is a perfect religion! The Qur'an is perfect! And it can be prooven in any way. Esspecialy in the scienitific one, because we live in the age of science. I think you just have no courage to study Islam. It's a lot of easier to sit in front of the TV and listen to any shit THEY want you to hear!
@enter08com If it was perfect it would produce perfection.How else but through a ideology's results can you judge that?Judging just from what I see of the religion the more strictly they follow their religion the less perfect things are.Islam is not so different from christianity and I figured out Christianity was B.S. by age 15 so why would I want to be reshackled under the same idea only repackaged?
@enter08com I think it is you who is afraid of facing the world without Islam.You would have to think for yourself.You would have to come up with reasons for what you think is right and wrong rather than bashing someone over the head with your holy book claiming that it is so.You would actually have to have discourse with people you disagree with rather than just killing them out right because you disagree.And that scares you because if they're right what does that mean for Allah and Islam?
@gamesmaster35 Are you all programmed for that story?! Thinking for myself!? Killing people? Do you know anything about Islam!? And you live the free and comlete life!? Knowing in every moment what's your purpose in life? You're just so scared of knowing that there is a God and that death is realy not the end. You're so bragging that you are over muslims but don't realise that the biggest stupidity is tha Earth and life on it is here just by chance.
@enter08com programmed?No... I made a valid response to you saying I was afraid to look at your religion.I think at least from the look of it (not being muslim myself) that it is not much different from Christianity.And I don't see why if I've already been hit by a dodge Ram why I would think getting hit by a Ford F-150 would be any different or better.I asked you a question if not through the works that are produced by a theology how else do you decide which is best if any?
@gamesmaster35 And the worst thing is... That you know that! But you just don't have the courage to admit it! You don't have to! For me... No! But, you're gonna die... And then, there is no comming back! And it won't end! It's eternal!
@enter08com Chance has something to do with everything.It's not that hard to get over.Just in our lives the chance that my mom would meet my dad out of the 300 million people that live in this country let alone the 4 billion that exist in this world.For their relationship to last long enough for them to have sex.For out of the millions of potential sperm that could have penetrated that egg the one that would grow to eventually become me ?Is a astronomical number but it happened!
@enter08com and it happened without a all powerful, all knowing being at the helm.This universe has countless millions of galaxies,stars,planets.With such a huge number of worlds the miraculous isn't that hard to accept.
So here's a question for you.Why did he put things in space?Why all the other galaxies?All the other planets not only in this solar system but millions of others.What did Allah need practice?
@gamesmaster35 1. Because He wanted so. And you can't go against He's Will.
2. Who guarantee you that there is no life in the rest of the Universe?
"He knows what you don't." (Qur'an)
3. This is the best way for us to realise that we are just small beings, to realise that God is The Greatest. The Creator of the Universe. You cannot be smaller, but still, people worship other people, creations of God.
@enter08com Are you fucking serious? How can you get schooled that many times in a row and still be talking your bullshit?? It's amazing. Fuck the Qur'an! And fuck any backwoods theistic conception of god!! YOU PEOPLE ARE THE PROBLEM!! And by "you people" I don't mean just Muslims, I mean ALL religious people. The rational for believing that Allah or the Christian god is real is just as valid as the rational for believing Harry Potter is real, so it's unreasonable to believe so. Grow up.
@JoshwithaJ If you weren't just a product of a project of the illuminati called: "Brainwash the people trought TV.", nobody would talk as that. No GOD? Are you fucking serious? Look at the universe? Everything is made in a proportion. Ever heard for the golden mean? 1.61803! EVERYTHING! Your body is made by that measure. The plants, the planets, the animals... The whole universe! BY COINCIDENCE! Problems with the brain?
@enter08com OK, conspiracy dolt. One, I barely even watch TV. Two, I was criticizing the THEISTIC conception of god, which is the stupidest thing anyone can believe. It's possible there is a god of some sort but, if so, how do you get from that (a DEISTIC conception of god) to: there is a god and it's the god of the Qur'an, or the god of the Bible or whatever? You validate faith, which is the greatest evil humans have ever devised, and keep us chained to the worst of history. Thanks, dick.
@JoshwithaJ Did you read ever the Qur'an? There is One God, The Creator of the Universe. There is nothing like unto Him! The Qur'an is the Last Book to mankind. Before Qur'an, Allah s.w.t. sent The Gospel/Injjil to Jesus p.b.u.h.. Before than the Zebur to Dawood, and Tewrat to Moses. There were 124.000 messenger from God. 300 from them with new Laws. And the teaching of Hinduism, Bhudism, Zoroastrianism... In the base are all the same. There is ONE UNIVERSAL RELIGION! We call it Islam.
@enter08com "and you have no clue why are you living."
I could be wrong, but I'm almost 100% certain that the reason why I'm alive is because my parents did the nasty. But it's possible that god propelled that particular sperm in my father's balls and that particular egg in my mother's fallopian tube. Somehow, I just can't picture god playing with sperms and eggs, all day, all over the world. You can?
@Meurglys33 From that drop a human being is formed. BY ITSELF?! And it always works? We were accidentily formed as this and can reproduce just so... BY COINCIDENCE?! Everything is made from a single point from 0 volume and BANG... You are here... BY COINCIDENCE! Try to break a glass and expect to get a few smaller perfect glasses! Atheists are the most stupid people in the world. So unlogical! So brainwashed! Try to think with your own mind.
@Meurglys33 Life is more comlicated than you think and can't be answered with "yes or no". It's your personal problem that you imagine God in human form. That is how they learned you. There is nothing like unto Him.
@enter08com "Life is more comlicated than you think and can't be answered with "yes or no"."
I never asked you to answer "life", you illiterate. The question was quite simple, and "yes" or "no" would have been enough. But it appears it was beyond your capabilities at that precise moment. God is happy to have you as a cheerleader...
"And it always works?"
If you don't count birth defects, and childhood mortality, about which your god did nothing because babies are sinners, yes, it works.
@enter08com As to your drinking glass analogy, I don't see the reproductive process involving the destruction of the parents. but in your case, well maybe. Oh and I also have never seen drinking glasses fucking.
@ChiefRunningScissors Are you on some drugs? Did you even get what I was trying to tell you? 1. Calm down. 2. ">Drinking< (??) glasses"? 3. Atheists believe that there is no God. So, all the universe with all the planets and it's order and synchronization were, by you theory, made by coincidence! The analogy to this is as you would have a glass (moment before BIG BANG) which you can break so that it forms after perfect little glasses (planets). Can't tell it simplier, really.
@enter08com As to your drinking glass analogy, I don't see the reproductive process involving the destruction of the parents. but in your case, well maybe. Oh and I also have never seen drinking glasses fucking.
@enter08com The universe is very big my friend, and rare things happen all the time.The occasion of a star exploding is only about 1 in a century per galaxy, however; if you look outside on a clear night, you can see 10 of them in an about a square inch with a powerful enough telescope.
Have a look at this on 'A Universe from Nothing' which may assist in your understanding of what we now know about the universe: watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo
and why us atheists just don't seem to see it your way.
@enter08com See also: 'Climbing Mount Improbable' by Richard Dawkins for an understanding of how life may come to be so complex with such humble beginnings and just a couple of natural principles.
I know this stuff is difficult to grasp, it was for each person that holds this knowledge when they first learned of it. But if you can imagine that everyone is not just crazy and might just have a reason for thinking the way they do then you stand to gain great insight and maybe even have an epiphany.
As long as we have souls there will be religion. It is not un-"reason"-able to ask "what happens when i die" or "what is love". Those are questions science will never be able to answer. The more science and our culture evolves the more religion will too. He makes no real good points but the truth is, is that they r both VERY important. People need to reconsider before they jump into conversations with so much conviction. Its like pitting Einstein against Gandhi. The world needs both...
dlenz4437 4 weeks ago
@dlenz4437 In a literal sense we -don't- have souls, The soul is something that's completely made up by the functions of our brain. Science CAN answer "what is love" its a different set of brain waves, Science CAN answer "What happens when I die?" you cease to exist. Everything you've ever even remotely comprehended is just -gone- forever, You never sense anything ever again and its the most terrifying shit I can think of, I understand why people believe in religion but there IS truth out there.
CameronWasmund 3 weeks ago
@CameronWasmund i thought of it as terrifying too. but think of it this way: did you mind your nonexistence in 1850?
TheUsername1029 2 weeks ago
@dlenz4437 Perhaps you're right that science - insofar as science deals only in cold, hard evidence - cannot satisfactorily answer questions like "what is love". But the mistake you make is in thinking, "Therefore, only religion can answer those questions". I say we should stick to philosophy - which is based on reason and discourse - rather than ancient mythologies, out-dated pre-science, and the social mores of bronze age nomads.
Ashiman12 2 weeks ago
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Without religion people who aren't charitable by heart will not give to the needy or contribute to those who are less fortunate. With religion they may do it for mainly selfish reasons, but as long as they're bringing good to society that's what counts. And whether there is a God or not, I think it's good to believe in some kind of superior being, it brings humilty to individuals.
In case you're wondering I'm an agnostic.
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kadees21 1 month ago
religion is a good thing, but at the same time its wrong. we would have been lost and confused for so long of a time without religion, that we would not have been able to evolve. religion kept order and provided explanations and examples for every day life, but now science is slowly moving in. "sometimes its not the reward of the journey we should be after, but the journey itself.", kind of funny, i got that from a fortune cookie, but its very true. in this case the reward are answers in life.
holyhelo5speak 1 month ago
That was so well said. SAm HArris, I love you. Well you are a very sexy man too, with a big brain which is so sexy.
veronicats100 2 months ago
@SeedsOfHatred and this is coming from someone called "seeds of hatred".for some reason i see atheists as dudes sitting behind computers,with the i'm so smart look.lmao.it's faith morons that's why you don't believe it,because you do not have faith.much easier to believe something you see and touch because you're week spiritually. :)
Erstaunliche8Jungen 2 months ago
@Erstaunliche8Jungen But the question becomes, why SHOULD we have faith? I mean, if you also presuppose the existance of an invisible deity, it's easy to sit back and say atheists are just spiritually weak. But why is faith a good thing? Why is it a sign of weakness not to take a leap of faith in someone else's unsubstantiated theories (especially since there are so many contradictory claims that are just as baseless)? Why not just cut the crap and use our reason, our intelligence?
Ashiman12 1 month ago
@Ashiman12 GREAT comment! I might have to steal it...
dkthg 1 month ago
I think people dig religion because they are usually taught about it before they are taught about science. For example, most Scandinavian students have religion from the first grade, yet they are taught about chemistry and physics for the first time when they enter junior high. At that point they are at least 12 years old. That time difference is at least five years. It is even more if the kids have religious Sunday school during their kindergarten years (ages 4+), namely 8 years.
fingrid 2 months ago
God did not create man, man created god. All religions are human invention, created to try and explain natural phenomena that was not yet understood. People thought a rainbow was miraculous. The more we understand, the less our need for a god to explain the natural world. Hopefully, religion will die out altogether in the near future, we don't need it anymore, we have outgrown it.
8698gil 3 months ago
@8698gil how do u explain how AND why you're here?
lax4lyphe 2 months ago
@lax4lyphe Why does it need an explanation? We're here, thats enough for me.
8698gil 2 months ago
@lax4lyphe We're here because the observable process of evolution has brought us here. You and I, specifically, are here because things happened to work out in just the right way and WE are here. Of all the millions of other sperm that could have broken through the egg at our conception, our just happened the be the strongest, and we began growing from there.
That is why we're here. There is nothing mystical or magical about it. I'm sorry it's not as fun as "God", but it's reality.
SeedsOfHatred 2 months ago
Religion is not a failed science. It is a lack their of. If you do a demographic on the most uneducated areas of the planet, you will find that it is almost identical to that of a religious one.
skywize 3 months ago
'Religion is a failed science'
MrSmashman1981 3 months ago
AND FUCK YOU ALL WHO IS GOING TO TALK SHIT ABOUT WHAT I SEAD CUZ I WILL SHUT YOU UP AND PUT YOU ON BLAST SO DONT FUCK WITH ME BITCH
3782frank 4 months ago
YOU ARE SO FUCKING GAY HAAAAA
3782frank 4 months ago
so religion has really convinced people.. that theres an invisble man living in the sky who watches everything you do every minute and every day.. and the invisble man has a special list of 10 things he does not want you to do and if u do any of these 10 things.. he has a special place full of fire and smoke and burning, torture and anguish where he will send you to live, to suffer, to burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever till the end of time..... BUT HE LOVES YOU!?
061323980 5 months ago
@061323980 -George Carlin-
Vikramthewhite 4 months ago
@Vikramthewhite yup
061323980 4 months ago
@061323980 I love you.
Neofcon 4 months ago
@Neofcon dont love me ... love george carlin!.. wait.. now that i think of it... love me too :3
061323980 4 months ago
@061323980 God does not send people to Hell. God actualy wants everyone to go to heaven. In reality its your Choice, If You Accept the Word and Build that relationship with God (that will only better your life), you will Go to Heaven. You will Go Not to live in Paradise but to be with your Creator which is the Gift. But, if you Reject the Word , Spread Lies of the word, Insult, Etc You Are sending Your Self To Hell.
123surger 3 months ago
@123surger God has always been about the S&M thing, hasn't he? Haha, good ol' God. It's ok, I suppose; he created the heavens and the Earth and all that is good - I think he's earned an eternal-torture-chamber to masturbate to.
SeedsOfHatred 3 months ago
@SeedsOfHatred You are Sick person
123surger 3 months ago
@123surger Hey now, I'm not the one who allows people to be tortured for all eternity for not agreeing with me, while those who DID agree with me get to watch from Heaven and rejoyce that those filthy non-believers got what they deserved.
Only a sick, twisted, egotistical and sadistic bastard would allow something like that to happen.
SeedsOfHatred 3 months ago
@SeedsOfHatred You are Lost as if the people in heaven rejoyce! People of heaven would not rejoyce for the people who are in hell. The poeple of heaven would only want the people in hell to come to heaven with them. God does no wantthem to be tortured or suffer. He gave them a choice and they sent them selves to torture! They could have come to Heaven with out any problem!
123surger 3 months ago
@123surger And yet, I've spoken to several devout Christians who very arrogantly (and maliciously) tell me that it would be "a blessing" to watch us non-believers suffer God's sadistic wrath in Hell.
And whether your God gave us a choice or not, at some point, our debt will have been paid. Thus, an ETERNITY of horrific torture is simply overkill, and leaves no other choice but to label your God as a masochist. In which case, I wouldn't want to worship him anyway. I wont bow to a sadistic tyrant
SeedsOfHatred 3 months ago
@123surger (Part 2) Additionally, God's motive is essentially "Worship me and tell me how great I am or suffer horrific agony for all eternity!"
Yeah, that's a guy you want to work for...
SeedsOfHatred 3 months ago
@SeedsOfHatred No haha God' Motive is Worship me , become my child, and i will Bless You on the earth and show the realLove i Have foryou! and For the People who do not believe in me, show them the truth and how you are My child and how they can become My Children and experience my Love!
Sir You are Lost with your beliefs of God
123surger 3 months ago
@123surger I have virtually no beliefs in God, so no, I am not lost about that.
In regard to your dogmatic teachings, however, I'm fairly spot-on. Because you conveniently left out the part that when you can't "show them the truth so that they become my children too", they then suffer horrific agony for years upon years; decades upon decades; aeons upon aeons.
Your God is a masochist. There is simply no other way to put it.
SeedsOfHatred 3 months ago
@SeedsOfHatred By beliefs I ment like ideas, thoughts, etc.
Sir just becuase someone did know about truth, that doesnt mean they will goto hell. That person would be judged apon the way they were in their life. They would Go to Heaven if they were strong in their belief and showed fallowing of their belief such as Kind or Godd actions, but if that Person was Murderer and was a and evil person and did no believe the beliefs that surrounfd Him then he would go to Hell.
123surger 3 months ago
@123surger Funny, because many (if not all) Christians will say that if you don't believe in their God, they're bound for Hell.
I was even speaking to a Christian recently who told me that no matter how well I live my life, if I don't believe in his God, I am considered "evil" and will suffer the consequences.
And again, even if I were a murderer; at some point, my debt in Hell would be payed. But God would rather I burn for an eternity.
Overkill; masochistic. My point stands.
SeedsOfHatred 3 months ago
@SeedsOfHatred Well with what i said imeant it for people who never new about christ like native americans and etc. That Christian is Saved but is wrong for condeming people to Hell. Many Christians Such as myself preach not to condem people to hell but spread the truth and work to try to save souls .
123surger 3 months ago
@123surger None of that was even close to being in the same vein as my original point.
You're now doing what every god-awful Christian does when I bring up Hell - you're tiptoeing around the suggestion that Hell is a horrific, sadistic and masochistic concept; much too sadistic for a supposedly "just" and "loving" God. You're now commenting on who the "good" Christians are. That has nothing to do with what I've been saying about God and Hell.
Well done.
SeedsOfHatred 3 months ago
@SeedsOfHatred I know how horible hell is and how people suffer in ways so unimagenable and to top it off the suffering will never end. But hell was not made for humans and was made for Satan. IM not trying to tipie toe away from hell i know God is not some flying sky daddy that so nice and loving and would never send someone to hell.God is almighty,powerfull, and Loving. He doesnt send people to hell but has hell for those who would no want to walk in the path he has set for the world.
123surger 3 months ago
@123surger He has Hell for those who didn't live the way he wanted.
Meaning, he allows them to go there. He is, after all, the almight God, is he not? He has full control of all things. And yet, he doesn't stop them from going to the torture chamber that he himself created for them?
Somehow this makes him a nice guy?
As I've said; either way you spin it or try to justify it - a God who allows people to burn in Hell is a masochist. There is no way around it. Your God in an evil god.
SeedsOfHatred 3 months ago
@SeedsOfHatred The true Evil God is the God of Islam. Allah , Look It up! The God actualy Condems People to hell and wants certain people toGo, but thats off topic. Again im niot trying to justify God, Does not Send People to Hell and The reason God doesnt stop people from going to Hell Because People sent themselves and are full of sin.
You are wrong to say God created for people that are not saved, Hell was made for satan not people. So stop saying God made hell for people!!
123surger 3 months ago
@123surger Funny, then, how the running Christian theme is that people are burned alive in Hell.
Perhaps even funnier is the biblical claim that Satan will eventually be destroyed; thus leaving eternal Hell without a manager.
But but, who's gonna take over the business?! Ugh, the whole divine economy's gonna crash.
SeedsOfHatred 3 months ago
@SeedsOfHatred You have no idea of the bibleand interprite it in your own way. Satan doesnt run hell! Im done Debating with you , your an Idiot and make the stupidest claims!
123surger 3 months ago
@123surger Well, as I interpret it, there's no Hell at all - but it seems that God's undeniable, infallible word is highly subjective. Oddly enough. And because of this, you people can twist it any way you wish. If one person wants there to be a Hell; his god reflects it. If another person doesn't want there to be a Hell; his God reflects it.
"your an Idiot and make the stupidest claims!"
Kind of the pot calling the kettle black, don't you think?
SeedsOfHatred 3 months ago
@SeedsOfHatred You are funny. Your points about Hell reminds me of the essay where the writer concludes that Hell is exothermic. :D
I think the theists have a knack for creating abstractions exclusively fitting for the argument they have at hand. It might be some kind of apologetic tradition, who knows.
I think the monotheism is a "partner religion" that empowers the individual and appeals to our imagination with its mystical content.
Like one's own kids, religion becomes part of one's ego.
fingrid 2 months ago
@fingrid Haha, I've read that.
And the existence of God being proved by his girlfriend screaming "Oh God!" in bed the night before.
SeedsOfHatred 2 months ago
Jesus Christ is Lord and the Son of God
cwalkhero345 6 months ago
@cwalkhero345 Jesus also had two dads but most Christians think gays are evil and are opposed to gay marriage.
Piratesaregay12322 5 months ago
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AndreisEntaro 5 months ago
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@cwalkhero345 Any evidence to back up that wild claim there? Or do you think that if you merely state it enough it will one day become the truth?
AndreisEntaro 5 months ago
Sam Harris is one of the biggest hypocrites around.
According to him, terrorism is bad (but if Zionist Jews do it it's OK).
This guy is not an atheist in the true sense of the word at all. His allegiance is clearly with Zion.
OrthodoxDarwinist 6 months ago
@OrthodoxDarwinist Wow.
Piratesaregay12322 5 months ago
@OrthodoxDarwinist Where in the world did you get that? I've seen vids of Sam repeatedly calling out Christians and Jews for their part in condoning, promoting and allowing extremism and terrorism. He goes so far (even in this very video series) as to condemn moderates for failing to speak out against extremism and recognize the religious motivation to terrorism because of their beliefs. Such hard stances can hardly be taken as partial towards one faith or another. You need to have another look.
AndreisEntaro 5 months ago
@AndreisEntaro
Actually if you read Sam Harris' essays he openly supports Jewish terrorism.
OrthodoxDarwinist 5 months ago
@OrthodoxDarwinist Links please. No unsupported baseless claims here. As i said, it's difficult to take your word for it given that he says much to the opposite of your claim on a regular basis.
AndreisEntaro 5 months ago
"Harris then gained some notoriety for defending Israeli government military actions in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict" - Wiki.
He is a vehement Zionist and has written in his essay (pretty shit essay for someone supposedly so educated): "Head-in-the-Sand Liberals" which attacks Liberals for not supporting Israel more.
So yea. But then again I somehow get the feeling that truth and reality might not be what you are looking for -- you want to ignore the "inconvenient facts".
OrthodoxDarwinist 5 months ago
@OrthodoxDarwinist For instance, [liberals] ignore the fact that Muslims intentionally murder noncombatants, while we and the Israelis (as a rule) seek to avoid doing so. Muslims routinely use human shields, and this accounts for much of the collateral damage we and the Israelis cause; the political discourse throughout much of the Muslim world, especially with respect to Jews, is explicitly and unabashedly genocidal. ...
AndreisEntaro 5 months ago
@AndreisEntaro "Given these distinctions, there is no question that the Israelis now hold the moral high ground in their conflict with Hamas and Hezbollah". -wiki Is that be what you are referring to? He is completely anti-extremism and mostly anti-Islam. If his facts are straight then his critique is valid. It's practically trivial to say one warring group has the moral high ground atm. The distinction here is the method of conducting said war. Both are still crazy for fighting a religious war.
AndreisEntaro 5 months ago
@AndreisEntaro But say what you will, having read your argument I believe it is untenable and anyone who cares to have a look will find his positions on these matters quite different from those you wish to assign to him.
AndreisEntaro 5 months ago
@AndreisEntaro
Exactly, and in that he ignores that Israel kills civilians at a rate of 11.3:1 and that the IDF itself argued in the Israeli courts that it should continue to be allowed to use Palestinian kids as human shields....
Funny how he doesn't these facts. Could it be because he himself is Jewish???? I think the answer is pretty obvious. He is a h-y-p-o-c-r-i-t-e, and hypocrites, just like liars are the scum of the academic world.
OrthodoxDarwinist 5 months ago
@OrthodoxDarwinist It seems you are merely annoyed at him for not talking down all religions equally; you also seem a bit desperate to have others agree with you about this. So here's what you can do, shoot him an email or show up at his next public appearance and raise the issue. Tell him you think his facts are off and see what he says when pressed on this. All I will say is that it seems highly unlikely that he is a secret jew or zionist.
AndreisEntaro 5 months ago
@AndreisEntaro
You've got to be kidding me. Of course he's a Zionist, you would have to be a freaking idiot not to see that.
OrthodoxDarwinist 5 months ago
@OrthodoxDarwinist On the contrary, you have continuously made this assertion which, whether you can see it or not, conflicts with much of what Harris says publicly about religions, and made only cursory attempts to support it. I offer you a different perspective on the matter and and method by which you might prove your own; you would actually be foolish to assume the worst in others without at least considering that your chosen point of view on this could be wrong.
AndreisEntaro 5 months ago
@AndreisEntaro
Then why won't you answer my question:
Why does Sam Harris support the killing of civilians by Israeli Jews, but spends his life going about about Muslim terrorism? Also, name one time and provide a link where he has ever been critical of Judaism.
And if you can't answer these two questions then the fact remains that he is a hypocrite.
You're attempts to hide these facts are rather pathetic and clearly desperate/biased.
OrthodoxDarwinist 5 months ago
@OrthodoxDarwinist Your question is so loaded it serves no other purpose that to show your bias. As such, I will answer that as soon as you tell when you stopped beating your wife and why? Or perhaps, why did you give up supporting terrorists yourself?
It is quite clear that, far from being willing to discuss the facts, you wish so dearly to discredit this man that you are perhaps incapable of seeing anything but your pre-selected disposition.
wikipedia(dot)org/wiki/Sam_Harris_(author)#judaism
AndreisEntaro 5 months ago
@OrthodoxDarwinist I, again, raise my challenge to you: Talk to Sam Harris, bring up the very issues you have addressed here in a calm and rational manner and see what the man says publicly about this. You are then free to take the entirety of his response and spread it around for the good judgment of his supporters and detractors alike. If you will not do this, I find little reason to take you seriously.
AndreisEntaro 5 months ago
@OrthodoxDarwinist I further give you a proposition. Let's assume, for the sake of the argument, that you are correct and Sam Harris is a secret Zionist. Let's say he actually thinks as you say and hopes to see the Jews as a people reclaim all of the land assigned them by the UN at the end of WWII Palestine be damned. He mother was Jewish after all. This internal disposition changes nothing about his public positions on the faith of the Jews or on the dangers of Islam.
AndreisEntaro 5 months ago
@OrthodoxDarwinist If he is partial to the Jews, and this gives him a blind eye to their transgressions, this ineptitude would do little to no damage to the arguments he makes against faith in general and the extremism of Islam in particular. He has even been publicly partial to Christians, chastising secularists for saying they are just as bad as Islamic extremists. He has defended this position by pointing out that Islam is the more dangerous at the moment and should be dealt with as such.
AndreisEntaro 5 months ago
@OrthodoxDarwinist Finally, I give you this to address your civilian casualty rate concerns, which you quote incorrectly. commentarymagazine(dot)com/2010/10/25/wikileaks-and-the-gaza-war/
The article points out that the IDF has, in fact, been successful in it's very real attempts to minimize civilian casualties by even the most anti-Israel measurements.
So, as it happens, Sam Harris is right in his commentary on that matter. Which lends further support to the case for your own bias.
AndreisEntaro 5 months ago
@AndreisEntaro
Ah and now the TRUTH comes out!!! You're a rabid Zionist YOURSELF!!! How am I not at all surprised by that? Did I not say before that there was a very foul smelling BIAS to your views?
OrthodoxDarwinist 5 months ago
@OrthodoxDarwinist I'm rolling right now, you are too predictable and hilarious. I promise you right now, no person with anything like a sane mind will ever take you seriously.
You have completely discredited yourself now.
AndreisEntaro 5 months ago
@AndreisEntaro
That's it, avoid the facts my little Zio-nazi.
OrthodoxDarwinist 5 months ago
@OrthodoxDarwinist Insults get you no where at all. Are you trying to convince people to consider your position or just ranting and calling names on anyone who disagrees with you?
All you have are loaded questions and name calling. I presented one singular piece that refutes you on a factual point and now, rather that addressing your drop, you have name calling and more loaded questions. I am so far from a position on the Gaza conflict that I refuse to debate it with you.
AndreisEntaro 5 months ago
@AndreisEntaro
'Israel used human shields: Amnesty,' Amnesty International/ The Age July 3, 2009.
"A 117-page Amnesty report charges Israeli forces with killing hundreds of unarmed Palestinian civilians, cynically using human shields and wanton destruction of thousands of homes. It accuses the Israel Defence Forces of launching attacks from buildings in which Palestinian civilians were sheltering."
Then again you do not see Palestinians as human beings so this is quite pointless...
OrthodoxDarwinist 5 months ago
@AndreisEntaro
QUESTION:
How is the Zionists calling for their "right" to ethnically cleanse & ILLEGALLY (get that word through your head) occupy and blockade Palestinian land so that they can appropriate that land for living space for the "Chosen People" (Jews ONLY) in any way at all different to Hitler annexing Poland for "living space" for the "Master Race"??????
YOU Zionists are ideologically identical in every single way to the Nazis!! And the world is now waking up to this racism.
OrthodoxDarwinist 5 months ago
@OrthodoxDarwinist In fact, the only thing I care about in that conflict is that the US is giving a rather large amount of money to Israel for no good reason while also giving a rather large amount to Islamic nations for no good reason. That is just stupid.
AndreisEntaro 5 months ago
@AndreisEntaro
WHY ARE YOU AVOIDING THE QUESTION???????
How is the Zionists calling for their "right" to ethnically cleanse & ILLEGALLY (get that word through your head) occupy and blockade Palestinian land so that they can appropriate that land for living space for the "Chosen People" (Jews ONLY) in any way at all different to Hitler annexing Poland for "living space" for the "Master Race"??????
OrthodoxDarwinist 5 months ago
@OrthodoxDarwinist It's only too bad you refuse to operate on facts or stand up and ask Harris his to address what you see as an inconsistent position. But, if you wish to continue in this manner and hide in fear being satisfied only to accuse him behind his back then I am done talking to you. I leave you with only the reminder that your current methods only serve to discredit you and your position.
AndreisEntaro 5 months ago
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@AndreisEntaro
FOR THE SECOND TIME, WHY ARE YOU SO PATHETICALLY AND OBVIOUSLY AVOIDING THE QUESTION???????????????????????????????????
How is the Zionists calling for their "right" to ethnically cleanse & ILLEGALLY (get that word through your head) occupy and blockade Palestinian land so that they can appropriate that land for living space for the "Chosen People" (Jews ONLY) in any way at all different to Hitler annexing Poland for "living space" for the "Master Race"??????
OrthodoxDarwinist 5 months ago
Jesus? Allah? Thor? C'mon...don't be ridiculous...
There's only one true god and that's JUPITER!!
IU-PPI-TER!! IU-PPI-TER!! IU-PPI-TER!! IU-PPI-TER!!
Salve Iuppiter, almighty master of the sky, holder of the thunder!
Iuppiter Optimus Maximus!
0299792458 6 months ago
AS LONG AS SCIENCE CANNOT PROVIDE METAPHYSICAL TRUTH, RELIGION WILL NEVER DISAPPEAR.
FYI SCIENCE CAN NEVER DO THAT, THIS IS AN OBVIOUS AXIOM OF LOGIC.
METAPHYSICS ARE BY DEFINITION NON MEASURABLE, SCIENCE IS EMPIRICALLY BASED.
FURTHERMORE BECAUSE SCIENCE CAN'T PROVIDE THIS TRUTH, RELIGIONS' EXISTENCE IS WARRANTED.
ALSO EXTREMIST ISLAM IS NOT ALL ISLAM. WHAT THOSE PEOPLE NEED IS EDUCATION TO UNDERSTAND THAT THEY ARE BEING TAUGHT A PERVERTED VERSION OF ISLAM, NOT THE RELIGION BE EXTERMINATED.
lFlash4 6 months ago
@lFlash4 Non-overlapping magisteria did not come along until about 1999 with Stephen Gould. If you espouse this point of view that's fine. It does have some very substantial criticisms lodged against it which I think makes the position untenable. However, you may not be allowed to pass the metaphysics off as defined away from the sciences at the outset. This is simply untrue. Metaphysics simply seeks to define the essence of things we find in reality. By definition, science may help with that.
AndreisEntaro 5 months ago
@AndreisEntaro im sorry i suppose the word metaphysics is a bit vague... what i meant was things not physical.
lFlash4 5 months ago
@uncleady1 "OR SO I HAVE BEEN TOLD TIME AND AGAIN BY ISLAMIC NIT-JOBS." Actually it's nut-jobs, not nit-jobs. Nuts not nits, no?
However, upon reflection, I think you're right - they're all nit-jobs too!
Pleendriver 6 months ago
Religion is an expression of mans relationship with God. Man needs forms of self expression in his life.
TheGhostFromPlanetX 6 months ago
islam is the way to peace
u r the way to hell
i feel sorry for u man
wavesdancer 7 months ago
To Non-religious men, the world you live in was founded on religion, imagine a world without religion...their wouldn't be no presidents or government, nothing like that...Each religion has one thing in common, we are all looking for Love. Non-religious and religious men, all of your questions have been answered.
- Divine Principle.
cristian12melendez 7 months ago
@cristian12melendez
RELIGION = FAIRY TALES FOR ADULTS
MrKGatl 6 months ago
@MrKGatl I can understand where you are coming from, and the truth is that Christians have actually been misinterpreting the Bible for years.
We can now know the Bible's true message trough a more modern and scientific explanation.
cristian12melendez 6 months ago
@cristian12melendez Modern and scientific explanation? Either way you look at the bible, it is clear that it was not written in any way by the divine. The bible is full of all kinds of terrible things, and the god of the bible is not a good god. Who would want the judeo/christian god? Christianity and the bible, need to be thought of as mythology. Just like the greek and roman gods before. But for now, people just prefer there fairy tales.
MrKGatl 6 months ago
@MrKGatl The World is full of terrible things, friend.
To answer your question.
Yes, but not just the Bible. Where we come from, our purpose in life,"Good" and "Bad", human history, the universe, physical mind and body, spiritual mind and body, God,Adam, Eve,Lucifer, Jesus, Symbols, religion and science, Heaven, Hell, Paradise, physical World, spirit World, Energy, the energy to create life on earth, etc..
cristian12melendez 6 months ago
@cristian12melendez Thomas Jefferson: "To talk of immaterial existences is to talk of nothings. To say that the human soul, angels, God, are immaterial, is to say they are nothings, or that there is no God, no angels, no soul. I cannot reason otherwise: but I believe I am supported in my creed of materialism by Locke, Tracy, and Stewart. At what age of the Christian church this heresy of immaterialism, this masked atheism, crept in, I do not know. But a heresy it certainly is."
MrKGatl 6 months ago
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@MrKGatl I do not understand the point you are trying to make here friend.
cristian12melendez 6 months ago
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Truth is eternal. It is only one. It is because there is only one God and He is the original entity of truth. God is the Parent of humankind and we are His children. Under that premise, what is the purpose of having numerous religions? God should feel joy when He sees many children. But if they are fighting against each other, would His heart not ache? Dear religious believers and non believers! Do not fight. Become one in harmony. God will be with us at the place where we unite as 1.
cristian12melendez 7 months ago
Atheist, you may fool the world, but you can't fool God, and you can't fool me. Your war against religion is only a diversion. Your war should be against sin, not against religion. You are all God DAMM hypocrites, you don't want to talk about the real problem, because u all know, that u will be found guilty of sin. I'm watching you.
cmpresents 7 months ago
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therabbithole999 7 months ago
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@cmpresents Sin is made up. Morality can be reasoned without faith. You are a "god damn hypocrite". Using the lords name in vain, that's punishable by death, still want to argue for God's wrath? Look at the statistics of atheists vs. religious or just christian's in prison. Atheists make up <1% of the American prison system. So who's doing the sinning? Your belief makes you look down on others, that moral? I dont think so...
therabbithole999 7 months ago
@cmpresents moron -.-
thekingjoker25 7 months ago
@thekingjoker25 queer, wow, you are a true atheist. You ppl refuse to come to God because you want to continue in your sins. You want to be able to call people names, insult ppl when ever the hell you want to. You are pathetic.
cmpresents 7 months ago
@cmpresents What a stupid and crazy christian, but im not surprised most of you are the same. Bible thumping fairy tale believers. One day all religions will be taught as mythology. Since there is zero evidence for god I dont think that im fooling your imaginary friend. The Christian god is a terrible god anyways, who would want it to exist.
MrKGatl 6 months ago
Islam is not an Extremist Religion its that some people make it appear so.. and There is far less 'Stupid Stuff' in Islam than any other religion in the world..
Islam is Quite compatible with since for that matter..
And Science is only a Tool and we have just stated to scratch the surface of things around us and why we are here.
Moreover I think If religion and The Idea of God is completely abolished, we might have societies with really weak social Structures. We might just not be human anymore
akib89 8 months ago
@akib89 That's absurd! If we were truly free of the hateful bond of religion we would have morality based on the truths in society (don't steal because we don't want our stuff stolen, don't kill because we don't want to be killed)! Science would be free from the handcuffs religion has implemented for 2000 years! I think living in a rational society, based on human reasoning & logic, would be a paradise compared to the nonsense we put up with now! We'd live longer & have social peace & equality!
AmericanGayAtheist 7 months ago
Religion is bullshit, it provides a Santa Clause for grown-ups and a way for people to get away commiting terrible acts against each other. We don't need anymore...PEACE
mtsafaroff 8 months ago
Christians think They(the Bible Authors) knew so much!
Truth: They Did Not Know!
flightkiller09 8 months ago
speak for yourself , use I ,, me ,
not we , or you
szlagjasny 9 months ago
Evil exists. Demonic possessions and epilepsy exist. Demonic possessions are rare but they exist. The supernatural reveals itself to us. There are records. There have been sightings of ghosts and poltergeists and etc. I know people who have seen ghosts. I have seen one myself. How would you explain phenomenas such as the Amityville murders? Surely there is evil. I will remain a believer until science provides enough proof and a convincing arguement.
Egghead123123123 9 months ago
You shold be a muslim !
Are we creating for nothing. ?? we're just slaves ! we born to pray not to taking beers ! this life is just a part of a lesson, this life don't mean somthing .. we gona live 70 or 80 or 120 years ! but in judjment day some will withing a 50,000 year !! read the quran .. and be a muslim that the only way .. PS: jeus is not god or son of god !!! if jesus a god why he died ?? he just a messanger .. i will tell it again read the holy quran is the only way to know the good way
SlimSpirit 9 months ago
@SlimSpirit Jesus' death is an act of submission. He died so that we could live. You Muslims question how anyone could believe that their God would submit Himself to the whims of humankind, dying in the process. This is how a Good shepherd acts. Good shephers die for their sheep. They do not leave their sheep behind. Jesus spread the word through love. Muhammad spread the word via the sword. Muhammad killed people, married a 9 year old, rob and stole, and threatened his people with the sword.
Egghead123123123 9 months ago
@Egghead123123123 Listen bro! Jesus(peace upon him) his not dead! he still alive up in the sky, whiting the time until the anti-Christ came! and he Jesus will coming to kill the Anti-Christ and he will deprive the Cross and the pork & the ransom of the Church! The thing that all the Christines don't know is the man who was dying is not Jesus is a follower of jesus! whene Allah(god) Inspired him to tell to one of her followers "who accept be like me and die for me will have wage like my wage.....
SlimSpirit 9 months ago
@SlimSpirit LoL! Two idiots fighting over who has the best imaginary friend !
*pulls up deck chair, takes out popcorn...
Drweavil 9 months ago 12
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SlimSpirit 9 months ago
We need religion. It provides for us the moral compass. We would not know right from wrong. Sure there is what we call "gut feeling." So Aetheists, living in a Christian neighborhood is different from living in a Muslim neighborhood. So does living in an Aetheist neighborhood is different from living in a Buddhist neighborhood etc. How would you explain this phenomena?
Egghead123123123 10 months ago
He calls himself a "freethinker"!? A free person will never call himself FREE, that we'll do only those who are cannot stand some facts! You know which facts...
enter08com 10 months ago
"WE" don't need Religion, Priests and other professional parasites NEED Religion in order to keep from having to do anything resembling "Real Work." Any Priest, Minister, Mullah, or whatever who doesn't support themself by their own efforts, but instead "Skims" the collections is a fraud and deserves the roasting they threaten everyone else with.
LeoAutodidact 11 months ago
Not all religions are equal. You can not put them into the same bag.
Christianity is without any comparison to Islam or Hinduism.
1. Jesus was expected to come.
2. He performed many miracles and we have miracles in our religion even today for example in Lourdes and Fatima and etc..
3. His infallible teaching.
If only Christians lived according to His teaching...
franciszek8D 11 months ago
@franciszek8D -there hasn't ever been even one proven miracle. and Jesus has been "expected to come" for centuries, problem is he hasn't.
Bakersfieldsucks777 11 months ago
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ATHEISTS....LICK MY ASSHOLE!
atheistdestroyer1 11 months ago
do we need religion?yes, we do. but don't undermine other religions. wanna proof?just look at yourself, your body.
KaKaGaNu 11 months ago
Why do we need another poor thinker?
BeLogicalWillU 11 months ago
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Sam Harris is right we dont need religion we need JESUS! AMEN!!!
icemancopeland 11 months ago
How come people's opinions are always so radical? Whether religion diminishes or not makes little difference if we still fight for our differences instead of our common beliefs.
loasolidsnakemgs 1 year ago
It's not about do you need or not any religion. It's about DID THAT WHAT THE RELIGION TEACHES REALY HAPPEND? It's easy to say things you say. But that's because you're born in this age and you have no clue why are you living. Aguess you know if you are an atheist WHAT YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE! You have to believe that the world is just a conicidence! Everything in nature is made by some measure. Everything is proportioned and synchronised! The biggest illusion is to thing there is no God. Seriously..
enter08com 1 year ago
@enter08com But it's not synchronised.You only believe that because you happen to live in one of the good portions of the world.There are places where it hardly ever rains but people are there who lived back when the conditions were more favorable for human life.There are places that are perpetually cold, where hardly anything grows.Most of the water on this world is not naturally fit for human consumption.You dismiss all that and focus on the parts you like and say "it's perfect".It's not.
gamesmaster35 10 months ago
@gamesmaster35 I didn't said that the world is a paradise... That's a typical story for the people of nowadays... You always want more and more!!
A suggestion: Watch the documentary HOME.
P.S.
This man has no clue what he's talking about. Maybe he's doing this because he thinks so, but maybe not. He said: "JIHAD IS THE HIGHEST OBLIGATION IN ISLAM!" WHAT?! Do you know what Jihad is?! There is a hadith: "No, your biggest enemy dwells within each one of you; each must fight one's own ego."
enter08com 10 months ago
@enter08com You said the world is proportioned not so.Tell the people in Ethopia that it is.There are places in the world that have more food than they know what to do with while that place most of the people don't have a pot to piss in.I'm just saying you have this idea of the world that is not realistic at all.And then when someone brings up it's not the way you think it is you want to make me seem like some spoiled child .Your argument was one of fine tuning and I'm saying it's not ...
gamesmaster35 10 months ago
@enter08com as fine tuned as you seem to think it is... As far as Jihad.I'm not a muslim and I came from a baptist background so I know little to nothing of their religion.I THINK Jihad means holy war and at least coming from the terrorist's anyway they do consider it a honor to die in service to their god.So his claim isn't completely baseless unless you know something that the rest of us don't.
gamesmaster35 10 months ago
@gamesmaster35 Jihad in arabic means EFFORT. Jihad as war means defending the religion. There is no such thing as a muslim terrorist because Islam is against terror:
“…if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole mankind: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole mankind.” (5:32)
Only a fool wouldn't defend the Truth! And I would kill too for Islam. In the name of God.
enter08com 10 months ago
@enter08com as I said I know very little of anything about the muslim religion.Don't blame the people that simply take the words said by those people who also seemingly practice your faith and don't seem to have the good ol boy spirit that you seem to have. Although even you admit you would kill in your god's name so who knows you might strap a bomb on for the right circumstances.
gamesmaster35 10 months ago
@enter08com I always found the concept of dying for a god kind of strange.What can you do that a god cannot?I'm sure Allah if he exists is quite capable of standing up for himself being all powerful and all why would he need defenders.When people have been stoned to death for example why bother?If god wanted the infidel dead couldn't he just cause a heart attack and kill him on the spot himself.
gamesmaster35 10 months ago
@enter08com ok I looked up Jihad it actually means struggle.What you're struggling for or against depends on context.You referred to one type of struggle which is a inner struggle.Whether it's a inner struggle to do what is right or just or to follow the tenants of your religion.The other struggle is to defend your faith which is what the terrorists use of the word jihad is referring to.heh learn something new everyday.
gamesmaster35 10 months ago
@gamesmaster35 Look... If a person is a terrorist (kills innocent, no reasons to attack and similar) than you cannot talk about Jihad, Islam, muslims... But if a person deffends from aggression, kills for justice (!), fights against the enemy, than you cannot talk about terrosits. But muslims! And thank God, I'm a muslim!
enter08com 10 months ago
@enter08com Ok but can't you see where that is a matter of interpretation?I'm sure if you could find and ask Bin Laden he would say he was fighting for justice, fighting for his god and his religion's right to exist in what he sees as western encroachment on his religion and his way of life.I personally see it as closed minded people who are scared of change trying to halt progress in the name of religious purity.Not because of any one religion but because that's what dogma does.
gamesmaster35 10 months ago
@gamesmaster35 It doesn't matter what people say. Because people can be wrong! Islam and the Qur'an can't be. Qur'an is a perfect book. So don' judge a religion by it's followers. You're trusting the media too much! Bin Laden did so much wrong. There are stories that he works actualy for the CIA. (search Tim Osman on Google) Watch the Arrivals on YT.
But if people would be so much addicted to the media, everyone would support any attack on the USA and Israel bacuase you have idea what's going on
enter08com 10 months ago
@enter08com That is just ridiculous!How else would you judge a religion if not by the actions of the followers within it.If Islam or Christianity for that matter produced a near eutopian society with people that loved each other and made war and disease obsolete you wouldn't be hearing a word from me and there probablly wouldn't be as many atheist as there are.But it doesn't and much of why it doesn't is directly related to the holy books you hold dear.
gamesmaster35 10 months ago
@gamesmaster35 As much Islam has bad muslim, the more Christianity has bad Christians! If I want to learn something about Christianiy, I'll read the Bible! People can be wrong! Muslims today and muslims 1400 years ago are not the same, which is a proof that if you want to learn something about Islam, read the Qur'an! If not... Christianity is the worst religion of all becuse Hitler and Mouslini were Christians! And talking about the people... Noone can even point a finger to muslims in any area.
enter08com 10 months ago
@enter08com Apparently you aren't listening.The problem isn't just the followers but the book itself is flawed to.Anything that advocates death simply because someone disagrees with your way of doing things can't be that good.Both books advocate killing a woman if she is not a virgin on her wedding night for example.Both advocate stoning to death someone who was of the faith who decided to leave it as another example.Following these books to the letter would create a terrible world.
gamesmaster35 10 months ago
@enter08com ...thank goodness most of you cherry pick what you wish to continue to believe.
gamesmaster35 10 months ago
@gamesmaster35 Islam is a perfect religion! The Qur'an is perfect! And it can be prooven in any way. Esspecialy in the scienitific one, because we live in the age of science. I think you just have no courage to study Islam. It's a lot of easier to sit in front of the TV and listen to any shit THEY want you to hear!
enter08com 10 months ago
@enter08com If it was perfect it would produce perfection.How else but through a ideology's results can you judge that?Judging just from what I see of the religion the more strictly they follow their religion the less perfect things are.Islam is not so different from christianity and I figured out Christianity was B.S. by age 15 so why would I want to be reshackled under the same idea only repackaged?
gamesmaster35 10 months ago
@enter08com I think it is you who is afraid of facing the world without Islam.You would have to think for yourself.You would have to come up with reasons for what you think is right and wrong rather than bashing someone over the head with your holy book claiming that it is so.You would actually have to have discourse with people you disagree with rather than just killing them out right because you disagree.And that scares you because if they're right what does that mean for Allah and Islam?
gamesmaster35 10 months ago
@gamesmaster35 Are you all programmed for that story?! Thinking for myself!? Killing people? Do you know anything about Islam!? And you live the free and comlete life!? Knowing in every moment what's your purpose in life? You're just so scared of knowing that there is a God and that death is realy not the end. You're so bragging that you are over muslims but don't realise that the biggest stupidity is tha Earth and life on it is here just by chance.
enter08com 10 months ago
@enter08com programmed?No... I made a valid response to you saying I was afraid to look at your religion.I think at least from the look of it (not being muslim myself) that it is not much different from Christianity.And I don't see why if I've already been hit by a dodge Ram why I would think getting hit by a Ford F-150 would be any different or better.I asked you a question if not through the works that are produced by a theology how else do you decide which is best if any?
gamesmaster35 10 months ago
@gamesmaster35 And the worst thing is... That you know that! But you just don't have the courage to admit it! You don't have to! For me... No! But, you're gonna die... And then, there is no comming back! And it won't end! It's eternal!
enter08com 10 months ago
@enter08com Chance has something to do with everything.It's not that hard to get over.Just in our lives the chance that my mom would meet my dad out of the 300 million people that live in this country let alone the 4 billion that exist in this world.For their relationship to last long enough for them to have sex.For out of the millions of potential sperm that could have penetrated that egg the one that would grow to eventually become me ?Is a astronomical number but it happened!
gamesmaster35 10 months ago
@enter08com and it happened without a all powerful, all knowing being at the helm.This universe has countless millions of galaxies,stars,planets.With such a huge number of worlds the miraculous isn't that hard to accept.
So here's a question for you.Why did he put things in space?Why all the other galaxies?All the other planets not only in this solar system but millions of others.What did Allah need practice?
gamesmaster35 10 months ago
@gamesmaster35 1. Because He wanted so. And you can't go against He's Will.
2. Who guarantee you that there is no life in the rest of the Universe?
"He knows what you don't." (Qur'an)
3. This is the best way for us to realise that we are just small beings, to realise that God is The Greatest. The Creator of the Universe. You cannot be smaller, but still, people worship other people, creations of God.
enter08com 10 months ago
@enter08com Are you fucking serious? How can you get schooled that many times in a row and still be talking your bullshit?? It's amazing. Fuck the Qur'an! And fuck any backwoods theistic conception of god!! YOU PEOPLE ARE THE PROBLEM!! And by "you people" I don't mean just Muslims, I mean ALL religious people. The rational for believing that Allah or the Christian god is real is just as valid as the rational for believing Harry Potter is real, so it's unreasonable to believe so. Grow up.
JoshwithaJ 10 months ago
@JoshwithaJ If you weren't just a product of a project of the illuminati called: "Brainwash the people trought TV.", nobody would talk as that. No GOD? Are you fucking serious? Look at the universe? Everything is made in a proportion. Ever heard for the golden mean? 1.61803! EVERYTHING! Your body is made by that measure. The plants, the planets, the animals... The whole universe! BY COINCIDENCE! Problems with the brain?
enter08com 10 months ago
@enter08com OK, conspiracy dolt. One, I barely even watch TV. Two, I was criticizing the THEISTIC conception of god, which is the stupidest thing anyone can believe. It's possible there is a god of some sort but, if so, how do you get from that (a DEISTIC conception of god) to: there is a god and it's the god of the Qur'an, or the god of the Bible or whatever? You validate faith, which is the greatest evil humans have ever devised, and keep us chained to the worst of history. Thanks, dick.
JoshwithaJ 10 months ago
@JoshwithaJ Did you read ever the Qur'an? There is One God, The Creator of the Universe. There is nothing like unto Him! The Qur'an is the Last Book to mankind. Before Qur'an, Allah s.w.t. sent The Gospel/Injjil to Jesus p.b.u.h.. Before than the Zebur to Dawood, and Tewrat to Moses. There were 124.000 messenger from God. 300 from them with new Laws. And the teaching of Hinduism, Bhudism, Zoroastrianism... In the base are all the same. There is ONE UNIVERSAL RELIGION! We call it Islam.
enter08com 10 months ago
@enter08com Congratulations on being THAT fucking deluded. I hope that works out for you.
JoshwithaJ 10 months ago 5
@JoshwithaJ I studied all religions. When you search enought, you can easily find the Truth.
enter08com 10 months ago
@gamesmaster35 That's called justice, not terror!
"Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loves not transgressors...." (Qur'an)
enter08com 10 months ago
@enter08com "and you have no clue why are you living."
I could be wrong, but I'm almost 100% certain that the reason why I'm alive is because my parents did the nasty. But it's possible that god propelled that particular sperm in my father's balls and that particular egg in my mother's fallopian tube. Somehow, I just can't picture god playing with sperms and eggs, all day, all over the world. You can?
Meurglys33 6 months ago
@Meurglys33 From that drop a human being is formed. BY ITSELF?! And it always works? We were accidentily formed as this and can reproduce just so... BY COINCIDENCE?! Everything is made from a single point from 0 volume and BANG... You are here... BY COINCIDENCE! Try to break a glass and expect to get a few smaller perfect glasses! Atheists are the most stupid people in the world. So unlogical! So brainwashed! Try to think with your own mind.
enter08com 6 months ago
@enter08com Are you able to just answer a simple question???
Can you picture god playing with sperms and eggs, all day, all over the world?
Yes or no.
Should be simple.
No name-calling. No explaining what you think atheists think. You just answer the question.
Meurglys33 6 months ago
@Meurglys33 Life is more comlicated than you think and can't be answered with "yes or no". It's your personal problem that you imagine God in human form. That is how they learned you. There is nothing like unto Him.
enter08com 6 months ago
@enter08com "Life is more comlicated than you think and can't be answered with "yes or no"."
I never asked you to answer "life", you illiterate. The question was quite simple, and "yes" or "no" would have been enough. But it appears it was beyond your capabilities at that precise moment. God is happy to have you as a cheerleader...
"And it always works?"
If you don't count birth defects, and childhood mortality, about which your god did nothing because babies are sinners, yes, it works.
Meurglys33 6 months ago
@enter08com As to your drinking glass analogy, I don't see the reproductive process involving the destruction of the parents. but in your case, well maybe. Oh and I also have never seen drinking glasses fucking.
ChiefRunningScissors 6 months ago
@ChiefRunningScissors Are you on some drugs? Did you even get what I was trying to tell you? 1. Calm down. 2. ">Drinking< (??) glasses"? 3. Atheists believe that there is no God. So, all the universe with all the planets and it's order and synchronization were, by you theory, made by coincidence! The analogy to this is as you would have a glass (moment before BIG BANG) which you can break so that it forms after perfect little glasses (planets). Can't tell it simplier, really.
enter08com 6 months ago
@enter08com Why do you think rejection of the idea of some deity juggling planets around automatically assumes everything happened by chance?
Not by chance but by F=Gm1m2/r^2
Also, as hard as it must be for you to see that you're committing a logical fallacy, I invite you to google "straw man" and "reductio ad absurdum"
iansaidhi 6 months ago
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@enter08com As to your drinking glass analogy, I don't see the reproductive process involving the destruction of the parents. but in your case, well maybe. Oh and I also have never seen drinking glasses fucking.
ChiefRunningScissors 6 months ago
@enter08com The universe is very big my friend, and rare things happen all the time.The occasion of a star exploding is only about 1 in a century per galaxy, however; if you look outside on a clear night, you can see 10 of them in an about a square inch with a powerful enough telescope.
Have a look at this on 'A Universe from Nothing' which may assist in your understanding of what we now know about the universe: watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo
and why us atheists just don't seem to see it your way.
AndreisEntaro 5 months ago
@enter08com See also: 'Climbing Mount Improbable' by Richard Dawkins for an understanding of how life may come to be so complex with such humble beginnings and just a couple of natural principles.
I know this stuff is difficult to grasp, it was for each person that holds this knowledge when they first learned of it. But if you can imagine that everyone is not just crazy and might just have a reason for thinking the way they do then you stand to gain great insight and maybe even have an epiphany.
AndreisEntaro 5 months ago
Yes!!!!!!
Eyeballll4 1 year ago