I love how society progresses, personally the way I live my life is by working to advanced myself, to evolve myself, its led me to atheism & becoming a vegetarian, I suggest it as a good way of thinking to just look at the logic from science & ethical consistencies and judge your decisions in life and how to live it by that and not simply by what others tell you.
But if this type of thinking leads to realize "life is meaningless" don't worry, all you have to do is not care about that fact.
All religions, arts and sciences are branches of the same tree
- Einstein
What is it name?
The name of this tree is Vacuum
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‘ It might even give us some ground to speculate that
the vacuum itself (and hence the universe) is ‘conscious’
# If we were looking for something that we could conceive
of as God within the universe of the new physics, this ground state, coherent quantum vacuum might be a good place to start - Book - The quantum self page 208 - Danah Zohar
I heard Carl Sagan use and explain his expression "star stuff" and I've never forgotten it, and it often comes to mind when ever the subject of Cosmology comes up.
CARL SAGAN - "Almost no one attempts to educate themselves on the basics of science and technology, yet our society is based on these. TV takes up far too much of our time and is apparently much more attractive to most of us than the beauty and wonder of science. This is a prescription for disaster. We might get away with it for a while, but sooner or later this combustible mixture of ignorance and power is going to blow up in our faces." - CARL SAGAN
What is called science by the *science-worshippers* of the present age and regarded by them as equivalent to the sum total of *reality*, is simply a collection of laws applicable to a single dimension of the world. The result of all human effort and experimentation is a body of knowledge concerning a minute bright dot comparable to the dim light of a candle-surrounded by a dark night enveloping a huge desert of indefinite extent.
All praise is due to ALLAH, the Lord of the Universe.
How could some of the scientists permit themselves to make a claim that would necessitate knowledge as extensive as the scheme of the universe, when their knowledge of the total scheme of being is *close* to zero, when confronted with a whole mass of unknowns concerning this very earth and tangible, lifeless matter, let alone the whole universe?
@1tabligh the people that wrote the quran knew litterally nothing about this universe. they thought, for example, the moon was going to collide with the sun, and it would mean the end of the universe..
@MrWaddefak Do scientific discoveries and knowledge cause such a scientist to conclude that matter, *unknowing and unperceiving *, is his creator and that of all beings?
No?
Then how can you, the duped and brainwashed atheists and some of the scientists delude themselve and *believe* that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?
I assure u that it isn't atheists and science that's deluded. No one more than the theist is fantasy prone. Millions of them declare their god exists but can't even agree on that god. What's more, they can''t remotely define it, but swear it's real!
And I don't know any scientist or atheist who has ever said he believes that particles create themselves, then everything else. The huge mistake theists make about the BB is that it's a creation event, rather than a natural, ongoing process?
@Cootabux How can it be supposed that belief in the existence of God is the acceptance of contradiction, whereas belief in the uncaused nature of an effect such as matter is not contradictory?
How could it be believed that matter should itself be the origin of millions of attributes and characteristics and thus be the equivalent of the purposeful, wise and all-knowing Creator?
Kepler: Yet annother example of the natural talent, depth and sheer energy of the Teutonic mind. Gutenberg would later supply Western Civilization with Rapid Type Printing and the plentiful, cheap books & pamphlets which would unleash an information revolution and eventually liberate the whole of Western Humanity from Medieval superstition. Today we have the INTERNET & our own information revolution.
I would think that by now, god should be immensely tired and frustrated over having to keep moving from knowledge gap to knowledge gap by his followers. Every time science answers or has a better explanation for his magic powers, Zoom off he goes being dragged by the religious nuts. He is like a hunted fox continuously on the run hiding through out the universes dark holes and drainage ditches.
idk if you can call this a "triumph" really. I mean if anything it shows how amazing Kepler was to have constructed these laws during the time of medieval superstition and more than that, despite the fact that Kepler himself held amazingly medieval superstitious beliefs. And yet, YET, Kepler, even with thess medieval beliefs, was able to set us down the road to fulfill his dream of walking on the moon.
Modern science stands on the shoulders of Kepler, so it's not a triumph OVER him but WITH him
@Wittgensteinism But it was not the superstitions that supported science, but rather the overcoming, the renouncement of them that promoted the first generation of scientists in modern times.
@maximkazhenkov11 The superstitions may well be the inspirational driver to pursue such a scientific endeavor. Sure (many of) his superstitions were shown to be wrong, but had he never held such a reverence to know the mind of God, he may have never been interested in the first place why the planets go as they do.
That's the irony behind science; it's built on the shoulders of superstitious men that thought they were discovering the God's rulebook; it was their way of conversing with the divine
@Wittgensteinism As Carl Sagan said, he had to give up his (and the world's) belief of circular orbits of the planets, which was held up for thousands of years by authorities, and chose to believe in hard fact. At least the renouncement of this "sacred truth" (I guess you can call it a superstition as well) was a great leap forward in the history of science.
Until today, it's critical thinking that drives science forward, and it's our duty to carry on where others have left off
@maxim Critical thinking is what makes science WORK, successful, but i wouldn't call it the inspirational driver for science.
The goal of science is to uncover the mysteries to life, but it's effect is not always coterminous with its goals, meaning the Effect of science may well turn out MORE mysteries than it can ever solve.
This can in practice have the effect of creating more superstitions than it solves. But you're right in that scientific progress means eventually breaking free from them
Very informative video, a much needed quick lesson on great imagination, and the intelligence in the mind of man to prove it true. We can indeed call him a seer.
@jshowa2 They owe us all an apology. The Church's dogmatic refusal to accept and allow scientific advancement has held us all back on our climb to a true understanding of the universe we live in. How much more would we know now if there had been no dark age, if all the knowledge and data from the classical age had not been burned, reviled and branded as heresy by the Pope in Rome?
@jshowa2 Free will is just a tag used by religion to talk about concience, shamelessly exploited to make people feel ashamed, and fall in line with THEIR made up morals. In the end, we don't really understand fully where our sapient behaviour comes from yet, but most certainly, something as unreliable as religion and cryptic dogma isn't the right place to look for answers about reality. Religion shouldn't even be allowed near the word knowledge. It belongs among the ranks of creative arts.
Why would something that supposedly existed before the universe be some guy sitting on a throne that is utter nonsense a throne is a human invention a chair for a man to sit on. Why would some all powerful being have to sit in a chair?
You Know I have a theory One of I believe to be the Illuminates secrets is they are devil worshipers, I know how cliché. But what it really means is that if people knew for a Fact not Faith that these people can draw major power from the dark sources, then the light also is very Fact not just Faith, God being just one of many names for the consciousness of everything. We are not bodies with a Soul but souls held in a body! If you attach anything to God it is no longer God as in Catholicism.
@UrbanSubculture You have many stretches in your theory. Is there an Illuminate? Are they devil-worshipers? Can devil-worshippers draw "power" from "dark sources"?
Your final 3 lines need expanding as they make little to not sense...
Darwin, Kepler, Copernicus, Voltaire, Carl Sagan, .. these are my GODS! They don't promise me heaven, they assure a good quality present and a better future for humanity!
To make of Science an integral whole necessitates, indeed, the study of spiritual and psychic, as well as physical Nature. Otherwise it will ever be like the anatomy of man, discussed of old by the profane from the point of view of his shell-side and in ignorance of the interior work.
If you can prove that the "spirtual and psychic" do in fact exist, only THEN would it do any good to study them. You can't attribute ANYTHING to something without first showing that it exists.
Beyond our perception does not mean supernatural. I never said that things we don't understand CAN'T exist, don't misrepresent what I have to say. I said that until you prove something exists, you can't attribute it as the cause of anything.
@flylike1 well thats not true.... if the cause of phenomena is not material you could never prove it physically, but by studying the physical effects of that cause (modern science) you can give that cause certain attributes.
The earth is for all purposes the center of our universe.Can anyone prove the location of the center of the universe?I dont agree with what the church did back in those days.Science has taken its place as a modern day church of desired control over everyone.The arrogance of the scientific community these days is very scary.They want to shut down America when china and other countries do whatever they want .Global warming is a scam.
Science is in NO WAY a 'modern day church' you are reaching only to grasp nothing. Do not compare Religion to Science... From its inception, Knowledge in Religion is FORBIDDEN(adam &eve), Science PROMOTES KNOWLEDGE... FACT.
@turtle5181 Your correct true science is not a church but what we are seeing now is not true science. Although true science does exist.Many scientist for political and social beliefs are pushing thier conclusionsand not accepting any other .This by definition is not true science.Science has to be accepting of many different ideas and conclusions.Many so called scientist want to control other people for whatever reason.This is wrong.
religious suckers are always saying ha ha, most scientists in history were religious. Well that's cause before Darwin the appearance of design was undeniable. The argument they use referring to Newton and Kepler is pretty laughable since they're appealing to the authority of science! - 93% of top American scientists now are atheists. As always, with religious fools the past matters more than the right here right now, the the testable, the real. BITCHES.
@UndercoverCracker Do you have any idea how many different arguments against what you just said there are?...prove santa isn't real....prove unicorns aren't real...shall I go on?
@UndercoverCracker Yes I have seen on some of your posts that you think saying 'LOL' is a way of sort of winning an argument...I agree Santa is a ridiculous idea...how could a man get round the world in a night with toys for everyone...no more ridiculous than a god who can hear,judge and punish the thoughts of every human on the planet at the same time...[by the way over a billion people call their imaginary friend 'Allah' but they've all got it wrong I guess]...Oh and to prove it......LOL!
@pieter292 Punish the thoughts? ....Allah is God it doesn't matter what name you call him. I'll admit I say LOL just out of habit. Seriously though you are far dumber than I had previously thought. Just prove he isn't real or shut it I say.
@UndercoverCracker How about prove he IS real or shut it? The burden of proof is on the person making the claim. So prove your claim that God is real. I am waiting.
@circusmonkey10 I'm not the Athiest. YOU are the Athiest and it should be your mission to prove you are right since you think God isn't real. Since you can't though you should probably shut the fuck up until you can.
@UndercoverCracker Like I said, the burden of proof is on the person making the claim. Atheism makes no claim man. If someone tells me that there are unicorns in their basement it is not all of a sudden my mission to prove that they arent there.. They have to prove it. Do you understand the burden of proof? Or are you just going to use your hostile tactic and tell me to shut the fuck up because I disagree with you? YOU make the claim, YOU provide the proof. Atheism = rejection of God claim.
@circusmonkey10 Athiest CLAIM he isn't real. I claim he MAY be real. I'm agnostic you moron and to say someone has a mission is just stupid quite frankly. lol All other Gods could really be the same God. It doesn;t matter if they call him something different. Athiests always jump to conclusions...Concluding I am religious was your first big fail.
@UndercoverCracker lol, how many times am I going to have to tell you? Atheists REJECT the CLAIM that a GOD EXISTS. Are you too dumb to understand that? I assumed you were religious because you said you weren't atheist and you jumped on the chance to tell me to either prove God doesn't exist or shut up, something an ignorant dumbass would say. I said it's your mission because you said it was my mission, way to make yourself look stupid kiddo ;) I reject the God claim because theres no evidence.
Gnostic/agnostic talks about what you KNOW, not what you believe. Claiming you are agnostic doesn't disclude you from being a theist or an atheist.
"Concluding I am religious was your first big fail."
And based on this statement, you are an atheist. So when you lump atheists in to a huge insulting blanket statement, you're talking about yourself, agnostic atheist.
@UndercoverCracker I'm sorry you feel that way. I'm sorry that you've chosen to be wrong on purpose, either out of vanity or naivety. Words have definitions. If you are unaware of those definitions, so be it, but when someone arrives with the correct definition and you choose to dismiss her or him, then you are doing nothing less than choosing to be a fool.
Here's a short cut. If someone asks you, "Do you believe in a god?" If you answer yes, you're a theist. Anything else, you're an atheist.
@hgryphon Ok since you approached me in a mature way than I am use to on youtube. I will act respectful. Ok so you ask me if there is a God I will say I believe there may be. I also say there is just too much in the universe to be random. That is a short youtube version of my view. I really don't call that being an Athiest. Athiests aren't open to any type of God or spirituality.
@UndercoverCracker Fair enough. Then you may, in fact, be an agnostic theist. I don't think there's anything wrong with that, but I hope you understand that the kinds of things you're describing that shape your beliefs are specific to only you. This is a point of contest between theists and atheists.
Atheists don't write off God or gods or anything. Most of us have yet to find a reason to believe based on the evidence. This doesn't mean we won't believe if the evidence arises.
@UndercoverCrackerLike your avoidance to answer is transparent.
You just can't prove anyhow that the mythology you believe in is more true than any other... The only difference is in your eye and you know it, hence the dodging.
It's even more obvious when I can read in your description box: "Oh and don't start an argument with me you will lose." Where you implicitly admit to be a troll... So I'm the one who should ask why wasting time on you...
@Acrimonator I'm not even Christian in fact I am agnostic. I love how you youtube types always assume everything. lol I'm just arguing trying to get you to give me some type of proof or a truly good argument as to why you think God isn't real but alas you cannot. Unless you count your Zeus/Santa argument as good? When it comes down to it hte universe is way to expansive to just be random, it literally goes on forever. How did it start? What was around before it started? How did it get there? :)
@UndercoverCracker You obviousely set the trap as you specifically said God with a cap, wich implies the christian god? You'd wanted to be clear, you'd said "a god"... Then you goes on saying that I assume something... The only thing I can assume here is that I was right about you being a troll, at that time as YOU create misunderstood.
BTW, your questions are straw men... You're antropomorphizing reality.
@Acrimonator Well I mean come on God is obviously referring to the Christian. Being agnostic I may believe in the Christian God above others. Dismissing someone as a troll is a cop out but it is alright. This is youtube afterall I can't hope to have an educated discussion...How are those questions straw? If so please answer them.
@UndercoverCracker Now I was right at assuming you was tallking about the xtian god... When you'll know what you believe in, perhaps we can talk...
And about your strawmen, saying "How did it start? What was around before it started? How did it get there? " is simply filling gaps in knowledge with god. It's like when a creationist asks, how do we evolve from a rock, and you talk about having an educated discussion. Ridiculous...
@Acrimonator I believe we evolved from monkeys but I also believe there could be a god. I guess it pains you too much to be that open minded. When you can actually answer those questions then perhaps people will stop believeing. That won't be happening though. Of course I was talking about the Christian God. That is what most youtubers are obsessed over.
@UndercoverCracker so for you, open minded means believing without evidence. I leave you to your god of the gap. I personnaly don't feel the need to fill gaps in my knowledge with superstitions. BTW, it's not my role to compensate your ignorance, you want to learn things about reality, open a damn science book.
Re-read yourself, once you say you that I assume your christianity then you say the opposite. Are you afraid to be part of a stupid cult ?
@UndercoverCracker I don't think that myths from 2000 years old middle-east shepherd have more to say about an hypothetical deity and our behaviour in life than had Homere in his Illyad...
Sorry, I can't reconcile these 2 radically opposed views of reality that are science to religions, particulary the abrahamic poor philosophy and very low morals... It only plays on emotions wich we know are not the best part of our brain when it comes to have a rational reasonning.
@UndercoverCracker Nobody exactly knows, we just have names and dates. What we do know is the history of that particular mythology.
You think you do know, I think I don't and nobody does. Arrogant prick... You must feel so special to judge all humans like that, you can't even act in accordance with what you claim to believe.
@UndercoverCracker Maybe the universe always was so why would it need to start? If matter and energy always existed in one form or another why would it ever have to start? So what's the logic to galaxies colliding and destroying each other creating new galaxies? The universe going on forever as you call it or beyond our ability to measure it does not prove any kind of god. Matter and energy in one or more forms was around before the univese was as it is now.
@hydrolito How could something always be. Where did all the things come from to create it all. How would you know if matter and energy was always around. Yes galaxies colliding and creating new galaxies happens all the time but how did these billions of galaxies come to be. All the matter and energy couldn't just have always been..How can the universe go on forever. Have you actually thought about that. FOREVER that seems pretty crazy. Just as crazy as there being a God in my opinion.
@UndercoverCracker Well as Sagan says himself, if you believe that everything couldnt have come from nothing then God must have come from somewhere. If you believe god was always there then why not take away that complication and say that the universe has always been there
@UndercoverCracker Where did your god come from? Everything needs an origin, doesn't it? What would be your god's?
Even for the big bang, science may be able to track back to that moment, but nobody knows what happened before, and science humbly acknowledges this. Religion? It only persists in self-deluding arrogance and absolute certainty that isn't to be questioned or challenged. Pathetic.
@hellhammerz666 From what I've seen there is noting humble about Athiests, they all act like asses. This is coming from an agnostic. Also in the Bible God says "I am that I am." You can't apply things having origins and God. I especially despise people who say there isn't a God but never read the Bible or truly tried to interpret it.
@UndercoverCracker First of all, atheist and agnostic aren't mutually exclusive. In fact, i'm an atheist agnostic. Atheism refers to what you believe, agnosticism to what you know. Both terms are pretty much mutually reinforcing. Second, i don't give a damn about what the bible says. It's just an old book written by primitive, ignorant men, period. Why should your god be the exception to a widely accepted rule of thumb? That's called special pleading, a logical fallacy.
@UndercoverCracker Third, i never claimed there was no god. My position is simple disbelief in regards to an unproven claim (god exists). If you have evidence to support this claim, i'd love to see it. If you don't, i have no reason to believe your claim. It doesn't get any more simple than that. What's there to interpret in the bible? The problem with books like the bible is precisely interpretation. You can twist it's words around to say whatever the fuck you want.
@UndercoverCracker But since you seem to be thrilled about it's contents, let me see how you twist fucked up shit like slavery, mass murder, misogyny and other "peace and love" lessons contained in it. Sure, it may have some fun and even useful lessons, but why disregard the crazy bits and keep the happy ones? Isn't this supposed to be the absolute word of an almighty creator?
My first question remains unanswered: Where did your god come from? Try thinking for yourself.
@hellhammerz666 A popular example among christian apologists: Slavery. They try to twist blatant slavery to portrait it as an employee/employer relationship, completely disregarding the fact that owning another human being is on it's own, and immoral act. Some others: Suffering. God makes us suffer to test if we're worthy of his happy afterlife theme park (heaven). However, isn't god omniscient? Why would he need to test us? Uh oh, one of the hundreds of contradictions in christianity.
@hellhammerz666 Why remove your post? lol Did you read that I'm AGNOSTIC...Religions have been around for a long time who can really say which one is right, perhaps they all re right in some ways.
@UndercoverCracker I made a typo back there. If that's bad, let me know, but it's pretty silly to focus on that rather than actually adressing your oponent's arguments. Even if you're an agnostic, the point still stands: Where did gods come from? Why even believe they exist if no evidence is provided to do so?
And your conception of atheism is still wrong: We don't claim there are no gods, only that there's no evidence to support a positive claim for their existence.
@hellhammerz666 Opponent? And you are concerned about typos on youtube? I don't know where they come from! In the Bible if you actually took the time to read something before bashing it, God states "I am that I am." Get it. That is claiming there are no Gods by the way.
@UndercoverCracker And what makes you think i haven't read the bible? Reading it is one of the main reasons why i turned away from religion. See what you did by "interpreting" a bible quote? You made it say whatever you wanted it to say. That's what everyone does with those cryptic "holy" books, and that's what makes them dangerous. They make ignorant people believe they know things they don't, fueling self righteousness and unjustified prejudices.
@hellhammerz666 So let me guess you think it actually means God created man in his own imagine? How about the Earth was created in seven days? To a nomral person the Bible is nothing dngerous. Humans are dangerous, period. What qualifies as ignorant to you? Caring enough to type properly and typos aren't the same thing. You cannot make it say whatever you want to say if you actually understand it. How do you explain the universe and how it goes on forever? What about how is all this stuff here?
@UndercoverCracker Wrong guess. My objection to biblical interpretations is that they can morph whatever they want into "allegorical" representations when they find something difficult to prove. True, people are dangerous, specially when they are fueled by self righteousness coming from being told they know things they don't. As or the origins of the universe, we don't know. So far, science can track back to the big bang, but what was there before that? Nobody knows.
@UndercoverCracker Ignorant as in not having any clue about how the world works. Back in the day "god did it" may have been a plausible explanation for stuff we didn't understand.. Nowadays we have better ways to understand our universe, and many religions shamelessly attack science because it provides evidence to support it's theories, which happen to destroy primitive myths their belief systems are based on. Sure, we don't know everything, and we may never know it all, but we're working on it.
@UndercoverCracker I'm fully aware of the allegorical nature of many passages in the bible, but it's not those which i'm referring to. When i refer to the fucked up bits, it's stuff like condoning slavery, self-righteous mass murder of thousands of people only for having the "wrong" god, shameless misogyny and so on. I don't expect any sane person to take the whole bible literally, but i find quite curious how they cherrypick certain pretty parts and try to swipe the crazy bits under the rug.
@UndercoverCracker This is a clear sign of the hypocrisy which many are fully soaked into, and on of religions most disgusting traits. What is there to understand in the bible that requires special magical insight anyways, or even a special qualification to grasp? All you gotta do is grab the damn book and read it. I did, and it pushed me away from this disgusting cult. I guess i just couldn't grasp the "wisdom" contained in fucked up shit like exodus or revelation. Poor me....
@hellhammerz666 Religions most disgusting traits? My experience has showed people following the Bibles most kind ways. It is far more than just grabbing the damn Bible and reading it. Disgusting cult? Why are you so angry at it? There has to be something in you to cause you to hate it so much. I find it fascinating I wonder what it could be. As an agnostic It is interesting.
@UndercoverCracker Where to begin.. Brainwashing unformed minds (children), divisive and excluding nature, extreme hypocrisy, condoning immoral acts, psychological blackmail using unproven bullshit, belittleing of the human experience, undeserved reverence, promoting and advertising gullibility as a high virtue while systematically satanizing rational inquiry and skepticism, meddling into politics that don't concern it.
Those are just a few objections to religion out of the top of my head.
@UndercoverCracker What else is there to unveil about the bible that simply can't be understood by reading it? Sure, you can find cool passages with loving lessons, and what about the rest? You would expect a "divinely inspired" book to be entirely understandable by average people, but for someone claiming to be an agnostic, you seem to be awfully certain about it's "truths". Do you even understand what agnosticism means?
@hellhammerz666 Yes it means you believe there could be a God and you believe there may not be one. The Bible isn't some book you can just read and understand, you have to truly think about its words. The Universe goes on forever right? That is just as crazy to me as there being a divine power that created it all. But you still haven't answered the question as to why you have such hate towards religion. Plenty of religous people do A LOT of good.
@UndercoverCracker Ok, you have a flawed concept. Agnosticism only refers to knowledge. When you're an agnostic about anything, it's admitting you don't know. In this respect, you could be an agnostic theist. This means you believe there's a god, yet you can't claim to know there is one. In the same way, i am an agnostic atheist. I don't believe there are any gods, yet i don't claim there isn't one. Theism/atheism refer to what you believe. Gnosticism/agnosticism refer to what you know.
@UndercoverCracker Also, i never claimed the universe goes on forever, but that there were several different possibilities to consider, aside from the god one. In the end, you may be right, and these 2 options could be completely wacky, but they are still there to consider. I've already stated several reasons why i despise religions, at least those 3 crazy cults from the middle east (christianity, islam and judaism). Just read back to find out.
@UndercoverCracker I don't claim some religious people don't do any good. What i oppose isn't people, but the reasons why people buy into this bullshit. The problem with religion is that it makes itself needed by feeding on our mundane fears. As sapient beings, the thought of death terrifies most of us, and religions prey on that. As sapient beings, we want to feel we have a purpose, and religions also feed on that. As sapient beings, we want to know. Guess what, religions also exploit that.
@UndercoverCracker Now, i by no means pretend to suggest searching for those things is a bad thing. The problem is religion provides no ways to develop reliable knowledge. If it did, it wouldn't need gullibility (aka faith) in order to access their "transcendent" prices. It's like selling a useless invisible product. People claim they need religion to be happy, but is it really true? Or is it a product of early indoctrination? I'm happy, and i know i don't need an imaginary friend to be.
@UndercoverCracker In the end, i care wether my beliefs are true or not. Religions haven't provided evidence to make me trust them. In my case, catholicism never offered anything other than intangible bullshit. All these religions do is enthrall the human imagination, making us feel ashamed of ourselves, and believe we're just flawed filthy worthless creatures that need THEM to be good. I simply can't bow down to something as fucked up as this. Nobody should.
@UndercoverCracker Just check the contents of this video. It's a clear example of how religions hold our progress back, in order to keep their mythical paraphernalia starring people's lifes. Back in the day, early scientists were tagged as witches and sorcerers. Nowadays, thanks to the bravery and conviction of those people, we enjoy wonderful inventions and discoveries that let us understand the universe. Gods and other superstitions are on their way to the museum.
@hellhammerz666 I definitely do not believe that Science interferes with religion. They both can co exist. If there is a God he made humans and gave them free will. Science is something humans created so in a sense God created it. Just because you are religous doesn't mean you can't be a great Scientist who discovers new things and ways of doing things. We hardly know anything about the unvierse though...
@UndercoverCracker Oh it does, actively. A few examples: Stemcell research is swamped because some christian bigots in the american government believe its "murdering a child", like a fully formed child was the same as a fertilized egg. More, the catholic pope actively opposed the use of contraceptive methods, because of the same bullshit reason. In american grounds, creatards deliberately spread their propaganda to take over the board of education, to teach creationism in science class. More?
@UndercoverCracker Save the free will discourse. free will is one of the constructs elaborated to control the masses. And god didn't create science Humans developed science to understand the universe. Back in the day god was enough to keep our curiosity still. Now gods aren't an explanation to ANTHING. Remember thor's lightning strikes? Maybe Poseidon messing up the sea to fuck up with sailors? Or Ra, the sun god? We're way beyond primitive myths, and the hypochristian god isn't any different.
@UndercoverCracker And you're right. We don't know a lot about the universe yet. However, that doesn't give people the right to snap their imaginary friends in the gap and claim its an immutable truth. How would you react if i told you a magic space bunny created your god, who after, created the whole universe? That's right, you would probably tag me as an insane lunatic. If you do, you can now understand how i feel about religions and their ridiculous made up imaginary characters.
@UndercoverCracker And yeah, you can go to church and make wonderful discoveries in your scientific career. That's not even my point, though. Why would an otherwise rational skeptic person apply a special kind of logic with his religion? Why not question it as thoroughly as natural phenomena in order to determine if it's real or made up stuff? Beats me....
@UndercoverCracker It doesn't matter if religions were around at the dawn of time, that still doesn't give them free way to claim stupid bullshit to control gullible people and get away with it just because perpetuation of their respective dogmas has built a taboo wall against any sort of questioning or criticism. You're right, PERHAPS they are right in some way, but they have miserably failed at demonstrating they're right at ANYTHING at all. That's why i oppose them.
@UndercoverCracker I don't give a damn how much they claim to be right about unknowable stuff, in order to do so, they have to provide solid arguments to back their extraordinary claims. We do it on our daily lives with pretty much everything, why should religions be privileged by an undeserved right to never be questioned, criticized or offended? Once they provide a shred of evidence for all their trouble-causing bullshit, only then i may start to respect them. Not before.
I encourage all self described Evolutionists, Atheists, Agnostic, Satanists, Buddhists and Luciferians to participate in the facebook group, Lucifer's Constellatory Vanguard.
No Deities, Devils, Ghouls, Ghosts, Spirits, or self deceit...
Just knowledge, light, and understanding...
The staunch propagation of Anti-theistic understanding is paramount at this time in human history!
Under the guidance of Christianity, Western society gained: Universities and degrees, healthcare for the poor, education for the poor, social welfare, codified laws and the rule of law, conflict resolution by mediation. the list goes on.
The dark ages were caused by the collapse of the Roman Empire (which collapsed for financial and political reasons), leaving a power-vacuum, and the various barbarian tribes (mongols, huns, etc) invaded from the east when they found their targets weak
@hartleymartin The latter half of your comment is correct, but the first half is completely ass-backwards and wrong, and a cursory glance at medieval history will tell you that.
Higher Education existed before Christianity, and in fact SUFFERED ENORMOUSLY under Christianity, as 'heretical knowledge' was destroyed and outlawed, and the RIGHT to an education was strictly limited to the priestly caste. It was Christians who burned the great library, after all.[c]
[c] Codified laws also predate Christianity by more than a thousand years, as does the rule of law in general. Egypt and Babylon had well established legal systems, and our modern legal system is based largely on pre-christian ROMAN LAW, and the romans are well known for having skilled lawyers and a very modern legal system for their age.
Welfare and Healthcare both long predate Christianity, and as i recall, church tithes and the siezure of homes and properties hardly counts as welfare.
@hartleymartin The fact that the countries in which the social changes you like in history took place during a period when those nations happened to be largely christian doesnt mean the changes were due to christianity. In fact, more often than not, social advances were made IN SPITE OF christianity, not because of it. The Renaissance is a great place to look for proof of that, as many of our most important scientific and social advances were made only after decades of fighting the church.
I love how society progresses, personally the way I live my life is by working to advanced myself, to evolve myself, its led me to atheism & becoming a vegetarian, I suggest it as a good way of thinking to just look at the logic from science & ethical consistencies and judge your decisions in life and how to live it by that and not simply by what others tell you.
But if this type of thinking leads to realize "life is meaningless" don't worry, all you have to do is not care about that fact.
deanmullen10 1 week ago
Ok.. Gw siap.. Silahkan di mulai.. Good Video..
Flusercom 2 weeks ago
Thanks for shared.. Goood Video.
Spasatcom 2 weeks ago
An inspiring video, because Carl Sagan can relate historical facts and scientific explanations in such an exciting and engaging manner!
dewinthemorning 3 weeks ago
All religions, arts and sciences are branches of the same tree
- Einstein
What is it name?
The name of this tree is Vacuum
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‘ It might even give us some ground to speculate that
the vacuum itself (and hence the universe) is ‘conscious’
# If we were looking for something that we could conceive
of as God within the universe of the new physics, this ground state, coherent quantum vacuum might be a good place to start - Book - The quantum self page 208 - Danah Zohar
socratus1 1 month ago 2
@socratus1 using god to discribe nature is just distracting. nature has allready a name, use it.
gethsoftware 3 weeks ago 3
this guy sounds like agent Smith in good mood :)
art448 2 months ago
I heard Carl Sagan use and explain his expression "star stuff" and I've never forgotten it, and it often comes to mind when ever the subject of Cosmology comes up.
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CARL SAGAN - "Almost no one attempts to educate themselves on the basics of science and technology, yet our society is based on these. TV takes up far too much of our time and is apparently much more attractive to most of us than the beauty and wonder of science. This is a prescription for disaster. We might get away with it for a while, but sooner or later this combustible mixture of ignorance and power is going to blow up in our faces." - CARL SAGAN
TheLogicalBrain 3 months ago
So many nerds in youtube -.-
HowToDoThings04 3 months ago
What is called science by the *science-worshippers* of the present age and regarded by them as equivalent to the sum total of *reality*, is simply a collection of laws applicable to a single dimension of the world. The result of all human effort and experimentation is a body of knowledge concerning a minute bright dot comparable to the dim light of a candle-surrounded by a dark night enveloping a huge desert of indefinite extent.
All praise is due to ALLAH, the Lord of the Universe.
1tabligh 3 months ago in playlist god + science
@1tabligh LMAO!
MrWaddefak 3 months ago
@MrWaddefak The atheist Delusion!
How could some of the scientists permit themselves to make a claim that would necessitate knowledge as extensive as the scheme of the universe, when their knowledge of the total scheme of being is *close* to zero, when confronted with a whole mass of unknowns concerning this very earth and tangible, lifeless matter, let alone the whole universe?
1tabligh 3 months ago
@1tabligh the people that wrote the quran knew litterally nothing about this universe. they thought, for example, the moon was going to collide with the sun, and it would mean the end of the universe..
they were just ignorant goatfuckers.
there is no god, we're not special!
MrWaddefak 3 months ago
@MrWaddefak Do scientific discoveries and knowledge cause such a scientist to conclude that matter, *unknowing and unperceiving *, is his creator and that of all beings?
No?
Then how can you, the duped and brainwashed atheists and some of the scientists delude themselve and *believe* that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?
1tabligh 3 months ago
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I assure u that it isn't atheists and science that's deluded. No one more than the theist is fantasy prone. Millions of them declare their god exists but can't even agree on that god. What's more, they can''t remotely define it, but swear it's real!
And I don't know any scientist or atheist who has ever said he believes that particles create themselves, then everything else. The huge mistake theists make about the BB is that it's a creation event, rather than a natural, ongoing process?
Cootabux 3 months ago in playlist TEMP-2 2
@Cootabux How can it be supposed that belief in the existence of God is the acceptance of contradiction, whereas belief in the uncaused nature of an effect such as matter is not contradictory?
How could it be believed that matter should itself be the origin of millions of attributes and characteristics and thus be the equivalent of the purposeful, wise and all-knowing Creator?
1tabligh 3 months ago
Kepler: Yet annother example of the natural talent, depth and sheer energy of the Teutonic mind. Gutenberg would later supply Western Civilization with Rapid Type Printing and the plentiful, cheap books & pamphlets which would unleash an information revolution and eventually liberate the whole of Western Humanity from Medieval superstition. Today we have the INTERNET & our own information revolution.
Avalon400 5 months ago 2
I would think that by now, god should be immensely tired and frustrated over having to keep moving from knowledge gap to knowledge gap by his followers. Every time science answers or has a better explanation for his magic powers, Zoom off he goes being dragged by the religious nuts. He is like a hunted fox continuously on the run hiding through out the universes dark holes and drainage ditches.
scotttebben 5 months ago 2
how can i not press like on these carl sagan videos
UjioSatashi 5 months ago 2
Sagan is amazing! I like The demon haunted word, you have to read now!
andresrp17 6 months ago
Yea lets disregard the truth and teach ficticious bible shit. The fuckin nerve of religious imbeciles.
MonkeySpecs301 6 months ago
I've always wondered whether all moons remain locked; unable to spin in their orbits?
And why that is?
:D*
ArcadePerfect 6 months ago
idk if you can call this a "triumph" really. I mean if anything it shows how amazing Kepler was to have constructed these laws during the time of medieval superstition and more than that, despite the fact that Kepler himself held amazingly medieval superstitious beliefs. And yet, YET, Kepler, even with thess medieval beliefs, was able to set us down the road to fulfill his dream of walking on the moon.
Modern science stands on the shoulders of Kepler, so it's not a triumph OVER him but WITH him
Wittgensteinism 6 months ago 3
@Wittgensteinism But it was not the superstitions that supported science, but rather the overcoming, the renouncement of them that promoted the first generation of scientists in modern times.
maximkazhenkov11 5 months ago 2
@maximkazhenkov11 The superstitions may well be the inspirational driver to pursue such a scientific endeavor. Sure (many of) his superstitions were shown to be wrong, but had he never held such a reverence to know the mind of God, he may have never been interested in the first place why the planets go as they do.
That's the irony behind science; it's built on the shoulders of superstitious men that thought they were discovering the God's rulebook; it was their way of conversing with the divine
Wittgensteinism 5 months ago
@Wittgensteinism As Carl Sagan said, he had to give up his (and the world's) belief of circular orbits of the planets, which was held up for thousands of years by authorities, and chose to believe in hard fact. At least the renouncement of this "sacred truth" (I guess you can call it a superstition as well) was a great leap forward in the history of science.
Until today, it's critical thinking that drives science forward, and it's our duty to carry on where others have left off
maximkazhenkov11 5 months ago 3
@maxim Critical thinking is what makes science WORK, successful, but i wouldn't call it the inspirational driver for science.
The goal of science is to uncover the mysteries to life, but it's effect is not always coterminous with its goals, meaning the Effect of science may well turn out MORE mysteries than it can ever solve.
This can in practice have the effect of creating more superstitions than it solves. But you're right in that scientific progress means eventually breaking free from them
Wittgensteinism 5 months ago
Very informative video, a much needed quick lesson on great imagination, and the intelligence in the mind of man to prove it true. We can indeed call him a seer.
jamomasha1 6 months ago 4
@jshowa2 Not to diminish that but the church owes apologies to the whole of humanity.
Strangerinasland 6 months ago
@Strangerinasland OOPS. Someone already said that.
Strangerinasland 6 months ago
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"BURN IN HELL FOR ETERNITY" OR "BELIEVE IN JESUS BEFORE TOO LATE"
THE END IS COMING SOON WITH SUDDEN DESTRUCTION ON EARTH.
fuckmania07 6 months ago
what an amazing time to be alive! ... LOVE =)
xbuster17 7 months ago 3
Let's burn the troll! @Bill4Banco
nobrainQQ 7 months ago
@jshowa2 They owe us all an apology. The Church's dogmatic refusal to accept and allow scientific advancement has held us all back on our climb to a true understanding of the universe we live in. How much more would we know now if there had been no dark age, if all the knowledge and data from the classical age had not been burned, reviled and branded as heresy by the Pope in Rome?
Jusoon 7 months ago
Shivers.
DragonMagi 7 months ago in playlist Symphony of Science
500 hundred years and the great majority of mankind is kept in darkness.
=> people buy ipads but still believes in god. WTF
nobrainQQ 7 months ago 4
truTh is wRitten On the bibLe... everything else is bulLshit. @jshowa2
nobrainQQ 7 months ago
@nobrainQQ Bible was written by man.
semiLivedj 7 months ago
Man inspired by DOG @semiLivedj
nobrainQQ 7 months ago
@nobrainQQ Hahaha,hence,dogma
semiLivedj 7 months ago
The ellipse mmmmmatched the observations...
Something remooooveduh from everyday life.... ...
His voice is so strange, lol.
Ledwix 7 months ago
It sucks that these great minds are no longer with us! RIP Carl Sagan!
Lennon4ever1 7 months ago 2
@jshowa2 Thank the Catholic church.
JohnGolbunny 8 months ago
Wow. Kepler. A man way before his time. Amazing vision.
huyked 8 months ago 2
Man, I miss Carl Sagan. We could sure use his reason and critical thinking today.
m0nkey13 8 months ago 42
@jshowa2 Free will is just a tag used by religion to talk about concience, shamelessly exploited to make people feel ashamed, and fall in line with THEIR made up morals. In the end, we don't really understand fully where our sapient behaviour comes from yet, but most certainly, something as unreliable as religion and cryptic dogma isn't the right place to look for answers about reality. Religion shouldn't even be allowed near the word knowledge. It belongs among the ranks of creative arts.
hellhammerz666 8 months ago
5:00 Is that cool for a t-shirt? Or am I being a total nerd?
LesPaul2006 8 months ago
@LesPaul2006 Why can't it be both? ツ
NotDuncan 7 months ago
@NotDuncan Probably :)
LesPaul2006 7 months ago
Can anyone say "list of forbidden books" the way Carl does?
LesPaul2006 8 months ago
138 people prefer medieval superstition even while they use a computer.
There sure are some dumb-ass motherfuckers in this world.
cayetanoluis 8 months ago 67
05:34 Remoooooooooooved :D
horbergaren 8 months ago
Thank you Johannes Kepler :)
tabibitosama 8 months ago
@jshowa2 Imagine his face if you could show him images from Hubble
drewwhonumba22 9 months ago
best facebook hack ever /watch?v=Fd0di5HFboY
HarlandLeanz 9 months ago
Why would something that supposedly existed before the universe be some guy sitting on a throne that is utter nonsense a throne is a human invention a chair for a man to sit on. Why would some all powerful being have to sit in a chair?
hydrolito 9 months ago
Danke Herr Kepler
quietjedi1010101 9 months ago
believe in Jesus to be saved from Eternal Hell Fire !!!
fuckmania07 9 months ago
@fuckmania07 Go away, Fuckmania. You pop up everywhere and say nothing.
suicune690 8 months ago 2
I almost cried.
I could still cry.
Wait...
okay, I cried a little bit.
That was gorgeous.
GuacamoleKun 10 months ago 2
Thank you Kepler!
tron81 10 months ago 3
You Know I have a theory One of I believe to be the Illuminates secrets is they are devil worshipers, I know how cliché. But what it really means is that if people knew for a Fact not Faith that these people can draw major power from the dark sources, then the light also is very Fact not just Faith, God being just one of many names for the consciousness of everything. We are not bodies with a Soul but souls held in a body! If you attach anything to God it is no longer God as in Catholicism.
UrbanSubculture 10 months ago
@UrbanSubculture You have many stretches in your theory. Is there an Illuminate? Are they devil-worshipers? Can devil-worshippers draw "power" from "dark sources"?
Your final 3 lines need expanding as they make little to not sense...
PopeSnowball 10 months ago
Darwin, Kepler, Copernicus, Voltaire, Carl Sagan, .. these are my GODS! They don't promise me heaven, they assure a good quality present and a better future for humanity!
ZZzzzzzWhat 10 months ago
god is stupid and so are the sheep who believe in him
wohodude100 10 months ago 2
To make of Science an integral whole necessitates, indeed, the study of spiritual and psychic, as well as physical Nature. Otherwise it will ever be like the anatomy of man, discussed of old by the profane from the point of view of his shell-side and in ignorance of the interior work.
Alkhemist10 10 months ago
If you can prove that the "spirtual and psychic" do in fact exist, only THEN would it do any good to study them. You can't attribute ANYTHING to something without first showing that it exists.
flylike1 10 months ago
@flylike1 bacteria and microbes were once beyond our perceptions, did that mean they did not exist?
Alkhemist10 10 months ago
Beyond our perception does not mean supernatural. I never said that things we don't understand CAN'T exist, don't misrepresent what I have to say. I said that until you prove something exists, you can't attribute it as the cause of anything.
flylike1 10 months ago
@flylike1 well thats not true.... if the cause of phenomena is not material you could never prove it physically, but by studying the physical effects of that cause (modern science) you can give that cause certain attributes.
Alkhemist10 10 months ago
"by studying the physical effects of that cause (modern science) you can give that cause certain attributes."
Attributes of what? "We don't know what this is"? Saying something is unknown isn't proof that something does/doesn't exist.
flylike1 10 months ago
tHIS VIDEO NEEDS TO BE APPROVED BY THE BANANA MAN RAY COMFORT AND HIS ASS BURGLAR BUT PAL KIRK CAMERON
699backstab 10 months ago
The earth is for all purposes the center of our universe.Can anyone prove the location of the center of the universe?I dont agree with what the church did back in those days.Science has taken its place as a modern day church of desired control over everyone.The arrogance of the scientific community these days is very scary.They want to shut down America when china and other countries do whatever they want .Global warming is a scam.
qynsar 11 months ago
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turtle5181 11 months ago
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Science is in NO WAY a 'modern day church' you are reaching only to grasp nothing. Do not compare Religion to Science... From its inception, Knowledge in Religion is FORBIDDEN(adam &eve), Science PROMOTES KNOWLEDGE... FACT.
turtle5181 11 months ago 2
@turtle5181 LOL...That was funny.
UndercoverCracker 11 months ago
@turtle5181 Your correct true science is not a church but what we are seeing now is not true science. Although true science does exist.Many scientist for political and social beliefs are pushing thier conclusionsand not accepting any other .This by definition is not true science.Science has to be accepting of many different ideas and conclusions.Many so called scientist want to control other people for whatever reason.This is wrong.
qynsar 10 months ago
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@qynsar
And you are a lying twat.
NUTCASE71733 10 months ago
How much does Carl Sagan rock? He is the man
cy4nide23 11 months ago
136 dislikes fail and refuse to admit how religion has retarded science and the discoveries of mankind.
GermanChocolateCake 11 months ago
epic ending
KllswtchOvrDrv 11 months ago
religious suckers are always saying ha ha, most scientists in history were religious. Well that's cause before Darwin the appearance of design was undeniable. The argument they use referring to Newton and Kepler is pretty laughable since they're appealing to the authority of science! - 93% of top American scientists now are atheists. As always, with religious fools the past matters more than the right here right now, the the testable, the real. BITCHES.
ravenouscolonelhart 11 months ago
@graemealee Prove he isnt real. Please go ahead.
UndercoverCracker 11 months ago
@UndercoverCracker Do you have any idea how many different arguments against what you just said there are?...prove santa isn't real....prove unicorns aren't real...shall I go on?
pieter292 11 months ago
@pieter292 LOL are you seriously throwing the Santa argument at me.
UndercoverCracker 11 months ago
@UndercoverCracker Yes I have seen on some of your posts that you think saying 'LOL' is a way of sort of winning an argument...I agree Santa is a ridiculous idea...how could a man get round the world in a night with toys for everyone...no more ridiculous than a god who can hear,judge and punish the thoughts of every human on the planet at the same time...[by the way over a billion people call their imaginary friend 'Allah' but they've all got it wrong I guess]...Oh and to prove it......LOL!
pieter292 11 months ago 3
@pieter292 Punish the thoughts? ....Allah is God it doesn't matter what name you call him. I'll admit I say LOL just out of habit. Seriously though you are far dumber than I had previously thought. Just prove he isn't real or shut it I say.
UndercoverCracker 11 months ago
@UndercoverCracker How about prove he IS real or shut it? The burden of proof is on the person making the claim. So prove your claim that God is real. I am waiting.
circusmonkey10 11 months ago
@circusmonkey10 I'm not the Athiest. YOU are the Athiest and it should be your mission to prove you are right since you think God isn't real. Since you can't though you should probably shut the fuck up until you can.
UndercoverCracker 11 months ago
@UndercoverCracker Like I said, the burden of proof is on the person making the claim. Atheism makes no claim man. If someone tells me that there are unicorns in their basement it is not all of a sudden my mission to prove that they arent there.. They have to prove it. Do you understand the burden of proof? Or are you just going to use your hostile tactic and tell me to shut the fuck up because I disagree with you? YOU make the claim, YOU provide the proof. Atheism = rejection of God claim.
circusmonkey10 11 months ago
@circusmonkey10 Athiest CLAIM he isn't real. I claim he MAY be real. I'm agnostic you moron and to say someone has a mission is just stupid quite frankly. lol All other Gods could really be the same God. It doesn;t matter if they call him something different. Athiests always jump to conclusions...Concluding I am religious was your first big fail.
UndercoverCracker 11 months ago
@UndercoverCracker lol, how many times am I going to have to tell you? Atheists REJECT the CLAIM that a GOD EXISTS. Are you too dumb to understand that? I assumed you were religious because you said you weren't atheist and you jumped on the chance to tell me to either prove God doesn't exist or shut up, something an ignorant dumbass would say. I said it's your mission because you said it was my mission, way to make yourself look stupid kiddo ;) I reject the God claim because theres no evidence.
circusmonkey10 11 months ago
@UndercoverCracker I just want to point something out to you.
"I'm agnostic"
Gnostic/agnostic talks about what you KNOW, not what you believe. Claiming you are agnostic doesn't disclude you from being a theist or an atheist.
"Concluding I am religious was your first big fail."
And based on this statement, you are an atheist. So when you lump atheists in to a huge insulting blanket statement, you're talking about yourself, agnostic atheist.
hgryphon 10 months ago
@hgryphon Well based on your statement I believe you are wrong. I also conclude that you are full of it.
UndercoverCracker 10 months ago
@UndercoverCracker I'm sorry you feel that way. I'm sorry that you've chosen to be wrong on purpose, either out of vanity or naivety. Words have definitions. If you are unaware of those definitions, so be it, but when someone arrives with the correct definition and you choose to dismiss her or him, then you are doing nothing less than choosing to be a fool.
Here's a short cut. If someone asks you, "Do you believe in a god?" If you answer yes, you're a theist. Anything else, you're an atheist.
hgryphon 10 months ago
@hgryphon Ok since you approached me in a mature way than I am use to on youtube. I will act respectful. Ok so you ask me if there is a God I will say I believe there may be. I also say there is just too much in the universe to be random. That is a short youtube version of my view. I really don't call that being an Athiest. Athiests aren't open to any type of God or spirituality.
UndercoverCracker 10 months ago
@UndercoverCracker Fair enough. Then you may, in fact, be an agnostic theist. I don't think there's anything wrong with that, but I hope you understand that the kinds of things you're describing that shape your beliefs are specific to only you. This is a point of contest between theists and atheists.
Atheists don't write off God or gods or anything. Most of us have yet to find a reason to believe based on the evidence. This doesn't mean we won't believe if the evidence arises.
hgryphon 10 months ago
@hgryphon You may not write off God but there are plenty who do.
UndercoverCracker 10 months ago
@UndercoverCracker And by your logic, perhaps it is your mission to prove that all of the other Gods that aren't yours are false too.
circusmonkey10 11 months ago
@UndercoverCracker I'm rejecting a claim, not making a claim. Can your little brain handle that?
circusmonkey10 11 months ago
@circusmonkey10 Apparantly your little brain can't comprehend very much at all.
UndercoverCracker 11 months ago
@UndercoverCracker lol, that's your reply? You make one hell of an argument son.
circusmonkey10 11 months ago
@circusmonkey10 Thanks broski.
UndercoverCracker 11 months ago
@UndercoverCracker Are you an asantaist ? If yes, prove me that Santa does not exist... Pfff...
Acrimonator 10 months ago
@UndercoverCracker as he should use the Zeus argument, the result would be the same...
Acrimonator 10 months ago
@Acrimonator Not quite..
UndercoverCracker 10 months ago
@UndercoverCracker Nice dodging... Don't worry, I wasn't waiting for an answer from you...
Acrimonator 10 months ago
@Acrimonator If you can't grasp the obvious difference between Santa, Zeus, and God then I can't even waste my time with you.
UndercoverCracker 10 months ago
@UndercoverCrackerLike your avoidance to answer is transparent.
You just can't prove anyhow that the mythology you believe in is more true than any other... The only difference is in your eye and you know it, hence the dodging.
It's even more obvious when I can read in your description box: "Oh and don't start an argument with me you will lose." Where you implicitly admit to be a troll... So I'm the one who should ask why wasting time on you...
Acrimonator 10 months ago
@Acrimonator I'm not even Christian in fact I am agnostic. I love how you youtube types always assume everything. lol I'm just arguing trying to get you to give me some type of proof or a truly good argument as to why you think God isn't real but alas you cannot. Unless you count your Zeus/Santa argument as good? When it comes down to it hte universe is way to expansive to just be random, it literally goes on forever. How did it start? What was around before it started? How did it get there? :)
UndercoverCracker 10 months ago
@UndercoverCracker You obviousely set the trap as you specifically said God with a cap, wich implies the christian god? You'd wanted to be clear, you'd said "a god"... Then you goes on saying that I assume something... The only thing I can assume here is that I was right about you being a troll, at that time as YOU create misunderstood.
BTW, your questions are straw men... You're antropomorphizing reality.
Acrimonator 10 months ago
@Acrimonator Well I mean come on God is obviously referring to the Christian. Being agnostic I may believe in the Christian God above others. Dismissing someone as a troll is a cop out but it is alright. This is youtube afterall I can't hope to have an educated discussion...How are those questions straw? If so please answer them.
UndercoverCracker 10 months ago
@UndercoverCracker Now I was right at assuming you was tallking about the xtian god... When you'll know what you believe in, perhaps we can talk...
And about your strawmen, saying "How did it start? What was around before it started? How did it get there? " is simply filling gaps in knowledge with god. It's like when a creationist asks, how do we evolve from a rock, and you talk about having an educated discussion. Ridiculous...
Acrimonator 10 months ago
@Acrimonator I believe we evolved from monkeys but I also believe there could be a god. I guess it pains you too much to be that open minded. When you can actually answer those questions then perhaps people will stop believeing. That won't be happening though. Of course I was talking about the Christian God. That is what most youtubers are obsessed over.
UndercoverCracker 10 months ago
@UndercoverCracker so for you, open minded means believing without evidence. I leave you to your god of the gap. I personnaly don't feel the need to fill gaps in my knowledge with superstitions. BTW, it's not my role to compensate your ignorance, you want to learn things about reality, open a damn science book.
Re-read yourself, once you say you that I assume your christianity then you say the opposite. Are you afraid to be part of a stupid cult ?
N.B.: We don't descend from monkeys but apes.
Acrimonator 10 months ago 2
@Acrimonator You really are a bitch. lol Science and religion can coexist. You bore me though good day.
UndercoverCracker 10 months ago
@UndercoverCracker I don't think that myths from 2000 years old middle-east shepherd have more to say about an hypothetical deity and our behaviour in life than had Homere in his Illyad...
Sorry, I can't reconcile these 2 radically opposed views of reality that are science to religions, particulary the abrahamic poor philosophy and very low morals... It only plays on emotions wich we know are not the best part of our brain when it comes to have a rational reasonning.
Acrimonator 10 months ago
@Acrimonator You dont even know who actually wrote the Bible do you? lol...Humans do suck though.
UndercoverCracker 10 months ago
@UndercoverCracker Nobody exactly knows, we just have names and dates. What we do know is the history of that particular mythology.
You think you do know, I think I don't and nobody does. Arrogant prick... You must feel so special to judge all humans like that, you can't even act in accordance with what you claim to believe.
Acrimonator 10 months ago
@Acrimonator What do I claim to believe? Also it is true just look at what mankind has done to itself, Earth, and the animals on it.
UndercoverCracker 10 months ago
@UndercoverCracker Why believe in the Christian god above others when they have no more evidence than the others and the Bible contradicts itself?
hydrolito 9 months ago
@UndercoverCracker Maybe the universe always was so why would it need to start? If matter and energy always existed in one form or another why would it ever have to start? So what's the logic to galaxies colliding and destroying each other creating new galaxies? The universe going on forever as you call it or beyond our ability to measure it does not prove any kind of god. Matter and energy in one or more forms was around before the univese was as it is now.
hydrolito 9 months ago
@hydrolito How could something always be. Where did all the things come from to create it all. How would you know if matter and energy was always around. Yes galaxies colliding and creating new galaxies happens all the time but how did these billions of galaxies come to be. All the matter and energy couldn't just have always been..How can the universe go on forever. Have you actually thought about that. FOREVER that seems pretty crazy. Just as crazy as there being a God in my opinion.
UndercoverCracker 9 months ago
@UndercoverCracker Well as Sagan says himself, if you believe that everything couldnt have come from nothing then God must have come from somewhere. If you believe god was always there then why not take away that complication and say that the universe has always been there
drewwhonumba22 9 months ago
@drewwhonumba22 Because we have proof there was some type of "big bang" where the universe as we know it began.
UndercoverCracker 9 months ago
@UndercoverCracker Where did your god come from? Everything needs an origin, doesn't it? What would be your god's?
Even for the big bang, science may be able to track back to that moment, but nobody knows what happened before, and science humbly acknowledges this. Religion? It only persists in self-deluding arrogance and absolute certainty that isn't to be questioned or challenged. Pathetic.
hellhammerz666 8 months ago
@hellhammerz666 From what I've seen there is noting humble about Athiests, they all act like asses. This is coming from an agnostic. Also in the Bible God says "I am that I am." You can't apply things having origins and God. I especially despise people who say there isn't a God but never read the Bible or truly tried to interpret it.
UndercoverCracker 8 months ago
@UndercoverCracker First of all, atheist and agnostic aren't mutually exclusive. In fact, i'm an atheist agnostic. Atheism refers to what you believe, agnosticism to what you know. Both terms are pretty much mutually reinforcing. Second, i don't give a damn about what the bible says. It's just an old book written by primitive, ignorant men, period. Why should your god be the exception to a widely accepted rule of thumb? That's called special pleading, a logical fallacy.
hellhammerz666 8 months ago
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hellhammerz666 8 months ago
@UndercoverCracker Third, i never claimed there was no god. My position is simple disbelief in regards to an unproven claim (god exists). If you have evidence to support this claim, i'd love to see it. If you don't, i have no reason to believe your claim. It doesn't get any more simple than that. What's there to interpret in the bible? The problem with books like the bible is precisely interpretation. You can twist it's words around to say whatever the fuck you want.
hellhammerz666 8 months ago
@UndercoverCracker But since you seem to be thrilled about it's contents, let me see how you twist fucked up shit like slavery, mass murder, misogyny and other "peace and love" lessons contained in it. Sure, it may have some fun and even useful lessons, but why disregard the crazy bits and keep the happy ones? Isn't this supposed to be the absolute word of an almighty creator?
My first question remains unanswered: Where did your god come from? Try thinking for yourself.
hellhammerz666 8 months ago
@hellhammerz666 A popular example among christian apologists: Slavery. They try to twist blatant slavery to portrait it as an employee/employer relationship, completely disregarding the fact that owning another human being is on it's own, and immoral act. Some others: Suffering. God makes us suffer to test if we're worthy of his happy afterlife theme park (heaven). However, isn't god omniscient? Why would he need to test us? Uh oh, one of the hundreds of contradictions in christianity.
hellhammerz666 8 months ago
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hellhammerz666 8 months ago
@hellhammerz666 Why remove your post? lol Did you read that I'm AGNOSTIC...Religions have been around for a long time who can really say which one is right, perhaps they all re right in some ways.
UndercoverCracker 8 months ago
@UndercoverCracker I made a typo back there. If that's bad, let me know, but it's pretty silly to focus on that rather than actually adressing your oponent's arguments. Even if you're an agnostic, the point still stands: Where did gods come from? Why even believe they exist if no evidence is provided to do so?
And your conception of atheism is still wrong: We don't claim there are no gods, only that there's no evidence to support a positive claim for their existence.
hellhammerz666 8 months ago
@hellhammerz666 Opponent? And you are concerned about typos on youtube? I don't know where they come from! In the Bible if you actually took the time to read something before bashing it, God states "I am that I am." Get it. That is claiming there are no Gods by the way.
UndercoverCracker 8 months ago
@UndercoverCracker And what makes you think i haven't read the bible? Reading it is one of the main reasons why i turned away from religion. See what you did by "interpreting" a bible quote? You made it say whatever you wanted it to say. That's what everyone does with those cryptic "holy" books, and that's what makes them dangerous. They make ignorant people believe they know things they don't, fueling self righteousness and unjustified prejudices.
About typos, i care enough to type properly.
hellhammerz666 8 months ago
@hellhammerz666 So let me guess you think it actually means God created man in his own imagine? How about the Earth was created in seven days? To a nomral person the Bible is nothing dngerous. Humans are dangerous, period. What qualifies as ignorant to you? Caring enough to type properly and typos aren't the same thing. You cannot make it say whatever you want to say if you actually understand it. How do you explain the universe and how it goes on forever? What about how is all this stuff here?
UndercoverCracker 8 months ago
@UndercoverCracker Wrong guess. My objection to biblical interpretations is that they can morph whatever they want into "allegorical" representations when they find something difficult to prove. True, people are dangerous, specially when they are fueled by self righteousness coming from being told they know things they don't. As or the origins of the universe, we don't know. So far, science can track back to the big bang, but what was there before that? Nobody knows.
hellhammerz666 8 months ago
@UndercoverCracker Ignorant as in not having any clue about how the world works. Back in the day "god did it" may have been a plausible explanation for stuff we didn't understand.. Nowadays we have better ways to understand our universe, and many religions shamelessly attack science because it provides evidence to support it's theories, which happen to destroy primitive myths their belief systems are based on. Sure, we don't know everything, and we may never know it all, but we're working on it.
hellhammerz666 8 months ago
@UndercoverCracker I'm fully aware of the allegorical nature of many passages in the bible, but it's not those which i'm referring to. When i refer to the fucked up bits, it's stuff like condoning slavery, self-righteous mass murder of thousands of people only for having the "wrong" god, shameless misogyny and so on. I don't expect any sane person to take the whole bible literally, but i find quite curious how they cherrypick certain pretty parts and try to swipe the crazy bits under the rug.
hellhammerz666 8 months ago
@UndercoverCracker This is a clear sign of the hypocrisy which many are fully soaked into, and on of religions most disgusting traits. What is there to understand in the bible that requires special magical insight anyways, or even a special qualification to grasp? All you gotta do is grab the damn book and read it. I did, and it pushed me away from this disgusting cult. I guess i just couldn't grasp the "wisdom" contained in fucked up shit like exodus or revelation. Poor me....
hellhammerz666 8 months ago
@hellhammerz666 Religions most disgusting traits? My experience has showed people following the Bibles most kind ways. It is far more than just grabbing the damn Bible and reading it. Disgusting cult? Why are you so angry at it? There has to be something in you to cause you to hate it so much. I find it fascinating I wonder what it could be. As an agnostic It is interesting.
UndercoverCracker 8 months ago
@UndercoverCracker Where to begin.. Brainwashing unformed minds (children), divisive and excluding nature, extreme hypocrisy, condoning immoral acts, psychological blackmail using unproven bullshit, belittleing of the human experience, undeserved reverence, promoting and advertising gullibility as a high virtue while systematically satanizing rational inquiry and skepticism, meddling into politics that don't concern it.
Those are just a few objections to religion out of the top of my head.
hellhammerz666 8 months ago
@UndercoverCracker What else is there to unveil about the bible that simply can't be understood by reading it? Sure, you can find cool passages with loving lessons, and what about the rest? You would expect a "divinely inspired" book to be entirely understandable by average people, but for someone claiming to be an agnostic, you seem to be awfully certain about it's "truths". Do you even understand what agnosticism means?
hellhammerz666 8 months ago
@hellhammerz666 Yes it means you believe there could be a God and you believe there may not be one. The Bible isn't some book you can just read and understand, you have to truly think about its words. The Universe goes on forever right? That is just as crazy to me as there being a divine power that created it all. But you still haven't answered the question as to why you have such hate towards religion. Plenty of religous people do A LOT of good.
UndercoverCracker 8 months ago
@UndercoverCracker Ok, you have a flawed concept. Agnosticism only refers to knowledge. When you're an agnostic about anything, it's admitting you don't know. In this respect, you could be an agnostic theist. This means you believe there's a god, yet you can't claim to know there is one. In the same way, i am an agnostic atheist. I don't believe there are any gods, yet i don't claim there isn't one. Theism/atheism refer to what you believe. Gnosticism/agnosticism refer to what you know.
hellhammerz666 8 months ago
@UndercoverCracker Also, i never claimed the universe goes on forever, but that there were several different possibilities to consider, aside from the god one. In the end, you may be right, and these 2 options could be completely wacky, but they are still there to consider. I've already stated several reasons why i despise religions, at least those 3 crazy cults from the middle east (christianity, islam and judaism). Just read back to find out.
hellhammerz666 8 months ago
@UndercoverCracker I don't claim some religious people don't do any good. What i oppose isn't people, but the reasons why people buy into this bullshit. The problem with religion is that it makes itself needed by feeding on our mundane fears. As sapient beings, the thought of death terrifies most of us, and religions prey on that. As sapient beings, we want to feel we have a purpose, and religions also feed on that. As sapient beings, we want to know. Guess what, religions also exploit that.
hellhammerz666 8 months ago
@UndercoverCracker Now, i by no means pretend to suggest searching for those things is a bad thing. The problem is religion provides no ways to develop reliable knowledge. If it did, it wouldn't need gullibility (aka faith) in order to access their "transcendent" prices. It's like selling a useless invisible product. People claim they need religion to be happy, but is it really true? Or is it a product of early indoctrination? I'm happy, and i know i don't need an imaginary friend to be.
hellhammerz666 8 months ago
@UndercoverCracker In the end, i care wether my beliefs are true or not. Religions haven't provided evidence to make me trust them. In my case, catholicism never offered anything other than intangible bullshit. All these religions do is enthrall the human imagination, making us feel ashamed of ourselves, and believe we're just flawed filthy worthless creatures that need THEM to be good. I simply can't bow down to something as fucked up as this. Nobody should.
hellhammerz666 8 months ago
@UndercoverCracker Just check the contents of this video. It's a clear example of how religions hold our progress back, in order to keep their mythical paraphernalia starring people's lifes. Back in the day, early scientists were tagged as witches and sorcerers. Nowadays, thanks to the bravery and conviction of those people, we enjoy wonderful inventions and discoveries that let us understand the universe. Gods and other superstitions are on their way to the museum.
hellhammerz666 8 months ago
@hellhammerz666 I definitely do not believe that Science interferes with religion. They both can co exist. If there is a God he made humans and gave them free will. Science is something humans created so in a sense God created it. Just because you are religous doesn't mean you can't be a great Scientist who discovers new things and ways of doing things. We hardly know anything about the unvierse though...
UndercoverCracker 8 months ago
@UndercoverCracker Oh it does, actively. A few examples: Stemcell research is swamped because some christian bigots in the american government believe its "murdering a child", like a fully formed child was the same as a fertilized egg. More, the catholic pope actively opposed the use of contraceptive methods, because of the same bullshit reason. In american grounds, creatards deliberately spread their propaganda to take over the board of education, to teach creationism in science class. More?
hellhammerz666 8 months ago
@UndercoverCracker Save the free will discourse. free will is one of the constructs elaborated to control the masses. And god didn't create science Humans developed science to understand the universe. Back in the day god was enough to keep our curiosity still. Now gods aren't an explanation to ANTHING. Remember thor's lightning strikes? Maybe Poseidon messing up the sea to fuck up with sailors? Or Ra, the sun god? We're way beyond primitive myths, and the hypochristian god isn't any different.
hellhammerz666 8 months ago
@UndercoverCracker And you're right. We don't know a lot about the universe yet. However, that doesn't give people the right to snap their imaginary friends in the gap and claim its an immutable truth. How would you react if i told you a magic space bunny created your god, who after, created the whole universe? That's right, you would probably tag me as an insane lunatic. If you do, you can now understand how i feel about religions and their ridiculous made up imaginary characters.
hellhammerz666 8 months ago
@UndercoverCracker And yeah, you can go to church and make wonderful discoveries in your scientific career. That's not even my point, though. Why would an otherwise rational skeptic person apply a special kind of logic with his religion? Why not question it as thoroughly as natural phenomena in order to determine if it's real or made up stuff? Beats me....
hellhammerz666 8 months ago
@UndercoverCracker It doesn't matter if religions were around at the dawn of time, that still doesn't give them free way to claim stupid bullshit to control gullible people and get away with it just because perpetuation of their respective dogmas has built a taboo wall against any sort of questioning or criticism. You're right, PERHAPS they are right in some way, but they have miserably failed at demonstrating they're right at ANYTHING at all. That's why i oppose them.
hellhammerz666 8 months ago
@UndercoverCracker I don't give a damn how much they claim to be right about unknowable stuff, in order to do so, they have to provide solid arguments to back their extraordinary claims. We do it on our daily lives with pretty much everything, why should religions be privileged by an undeserved right to never be questioned, criticized or offended? Once they provide a shred of evidence for all their trouble-causing bullshit, only then i may start to respect them. Not before.
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nycgroove1 1 year ago 2
@Etimos
Under the guidance of Christianity, Western society gained: Universities and degrees, healthcare for the poor, education for the poor, social welfare, codified laws and the rule of law, conflict resolution by mediation. the list goes on.
The dark ages were caused by the collapse of the Roman Empire (which collapsed for financial and political reasons), leaving a power-vacuum, and the various barbarian tribes (mongols, huns, etc) invaded from the east when they found their targets weak
hartleymartin 1 year ago
@hartleymartin The latter half of your comment is correct, but the first half is completely ass-backwards and wrong, and a cursory glance at medieval history will tell you that.
Higher Education existed before Christianity, and in fact SUFFERED ENORMOUSLY under Christianity, as 'heretical knowledge' was destroyed and outlawed, and the RIGHT to an education was strictly limited to the priestly caste. It was Christians who burned the great library, after all.[c]
Etimos 1 year ago
[c] Codified laws also predate Christianity by more than a thousand years, as does the rule of law in general. Egypt and Babylon had well established legal systems, and our modern legal system is based largely on pre-christian ROMAN LAW, and the romans are well known for having skilled lawyers and a very modern legal system for their age.
Welfare and Healthcare both long predate Christianity, and as i recall, church tithes and the siezure of homes and properties hardly counts as welfare.
Etimos 1 year ago
@hartleymartin The fact that the countries in which the social changes you like in history took place during a period when those nations happened to be largely christian doesnt mean the changes were due to christianity. In fact, more often than not, social advances were made IN SPITE OF christianity, not because of it. The Renaissance is a great place to look for proof of that, as many of our most important scientific and social advances were made only after decades of fighting the church.
Etimos 1 year ago