Dessler does not strike me much like Hitler. His way of being erratic reminds me more of Caligula. Also the Gamilusian salute gesture is more akin to the ancient Roman one than to the Hitlergruss.
However I would think that just some names were randomly selected that sounded sufficiently alien to Japanese ears. Who would for example Talan or Gale correspond to? The latter certainly sounds US-American rather than Nazi to me...
As I said before, they didn't have to be so meticulous in naming when the main viewers were kids and when the producers did not have much specific agenda.
Restitutus, this is not so simple. Talan could be actually Tarrant, which in that case is Welsh. Or it could be just a made-up name. In addition, Translations can modify lots of things both intentionally and unintentionally thus something can never be picked up by foreigners. I didn't say all names on Gamilus' side are only German; there's just a general tendency here.
"They just look like us", huh? Stop pretending to be so naive, Kodai. It is not as if you saw a Gamilusian for the first time. In Ep06 you faced already the tank-drivers, shot one of them and looked the other into the face. And you noticed nothing spectacular about them.
I believe the Gamilusians the Yamato fought in the solar system were Earth humans fighting for Gamilus. This could be the first real Gamalusian they see.
Combat soldiers must speak the common language. Lets say those traitors to Earth spoke English. Ordering Kodai around in English or Gamalusian would amount to the same thing. He wouldn't understand. By the way Congrats to raising your eight year old right.
What the fellow says does not sound like English to me. :-)
And why would any Earthman cooperate in bombing his own planet with meteor bombs? It seems more plausible to assume that like Earthpeople, Gamilusians feature several races (and Dessler, being Everyone's Leader, can switch between them. :-) ).
You're right, there's no mention of earthlings turned into Gamilus combatant; it's a script flaw. Although they may had experiments on captured earthlings...
@Restitutus : Well there could be human terrorists who grown to hate their own species. These co-oporated with the Gamilians. The Terrorists would bombard their own homeplanet. When all the humans on Earth die the terrorist believed that the Gamilians would use the Radiation Vacume Clearer to de-radiate the planet
@Restitutus Perhaps it was an injoke bearing in mind that when he saw the tank driver, he had the same skin tone as Kodi. Now that they have blue skin... it may have been some kind of japanese humour
in the 1st battle they show by pluto, they did little damage agains the gamilans except with missiles, so why are the humans able to hurt the gamilans now? is it new weapons from the message from iscandar? they only tell us about the wave motion engine and adapting it to the yamato gun
Why is it Shultz then? For us Germans this name sounds so humble and mediocre - it is just our most common surname and not associated with anything nazistic.
I'll tell you something interesting. Most German proper names sound totally COOL when converted into Japanese. Although the spelling become too long to easily memorize, German names sound much nobler than almost any other foreign proper names in Japanese language.(Some may disagree with this) Japan has nothing against Germany, but Gamilus was modeled after Nazi, so they wanted some unity there. It's hard to imagine up alien names or costumes from nowhere, you know.
For Japanese they sound probably alien enough to make for plausible extraterrestrials. German SF authors like Chinese-sounding names for the same reason. ;-)
But I am not sure about Gamilus=Nazis. Dessler has an ability to transcend his limits which you would not find in Hitler. Besides, Google shows that Domel is an actual German surname of Slavonic origin, so the equation with Rommel is obsolete.
Gamilus=Nazis is for sure, no doubt. Dessler's ability to transcend his limit? The scale of his evil is worse than any actual criminal against humanity on earth he should have been dead or executed. Some anime really screwed up the sense of justice or even common sense for viewers.
I know what you mean. Anime is cartoon but war anime could be grossly offensive by mixing up various elements from different nationalities and different era to create one kind of bad guys. Gamilus has a lot of other elements possibly from USA and Imperial Japan herself, but it is MAINLY Nazis, unmistakable.
Actually, some Nazis did perform suicidal attacks. The kind with which I am most familiar involves crashing their planes into enemy bombers in an attempt to disable them.
Really? I never thought Aliens appearing in Star Trek would make fo rplausible extraterrestrials, either. Spock just looks like any of us except for the pointed ears. LOL
Don't get any funny ideas about Japan, if you please. Thanks!
Star Trek had to make compromises because whatever the mask you have to put a human actor in. Anime can easily produce non-human aliens - look at the Balanodons! That the Gamilusians appear like Westerners thus is certainly programmatic. Don't you think Domel looks like a grim Superman, THE American archetype?
Lysis was one of my "favorite" Gamilons in "Starblazers". He was stern, steady, smart, and really should have beaten them were it not being sabotaged by his jealous underlings. I think he survived to make a cameo appearance in The Comet Empire shows too, appearing on Desler's (Desslock's)viewscreen when his fleet re-united.
@pbanta62 In the original Japanese version, Lysis killed himself while making a last ditch attempt to blow up the Yamato. The brief appearance of "Lysis" in the Comet Empire episodes was probably a coincidence. I ignored it.
That helmet smurf boy there has, is cool looking.
Kerorofan1990 2 months ago
@2:14 Meanwhile, at the Legion of Doom...
Badgaldinger 3 months ago
who was the woman with the haunting voice in the intro song?
FluffyWesties 6 months ago
It's about time the bad ass Lysis shows up. He's is by far the most competent general the Gamelons have. Should have used him from the beginning.
Doza130 2 years ago
The Gamilons are mixture of elements from numerous countries over the years:
The US (Nuclear weapons/Planet bombs)
Nazi Germany (Desslok/Hitler, the salute)
Japanese Empire (Kamikazes/Ganz's suicide run)
Soviet Union (Pillbox crews blow themselves up to avoid surrendering/Lysis destroys his own ship to destroy the YAMATO)
DLAbaoaqu 2 years ago
Dessler does not strike me much like Hitler. His way of being erratic reminds me more of Caligula. Also the Gamilusian salute gesture is more akin to the ancient Roman one than to the Hitlergruss.
Restitutus 2 years ago
I don't think Mr. Nishizaki went that far back.
Hesuku 2 years ago
However I would think that just some names were randomly selected that sounded sufficiently alien to Japanese ears. Who would for example Talan or Gale correspond to? The latter certainly sounds US-American rather than Nazi to me...
Restitutus 3 years ago
As I said before, they didn't have to be so meticulous in naming when the main viewers were kids and when the producers did not have much specific agenda.
Hesuku 3 years ago
Restitutus, this is not so simple. Talan could be actually Tarrant, which in that case is Welsh. Or it could be just a made-up name. In addition, Translations can modify lots of things both intentionally and unintentionally thus something can never be picked up by foreigners. I didn't say all names on Gamilus' side are only German; there's just a general tendency here.
Hesuku 3 years ago
I found "Talan" is French.
Hesuku 3 years ago
"They just look like us", huh? Stop pretending to be so naive, Kodai. It is not as if you saw a Gamilusian for the first time. In Ep06 you faced already the tank-drivers, shot one of them and looked the other into the face. And you noticed nothing spectacular about them.
Plot oversight, for what it's worth.
Restitutus 3 years ago 10
I believe the Gamilusians the Yamato fought in the solar system were Earth humans fighting for Gamilus. This could be the first real Gamalusian they see.
MARK1HOE 2 years ago
I don't think any Earthian fought for Gamilus.
Why was the Gamilusian soldier on Titan talking Gamilusian then and not Japanese?
Restitutus 2 years ago
Combat soldiers must speak the common language. Lets say those traitors to Earth spoke English. Ordering Kodai around in English or Gamalusian would amount to the same thing. He wouldn't understand. By the way Congrats to raising your eight year old right.
MARK1HOE 2 years ago
What the fellow says does not sound like English to me. :-)
And why would any Earthman cooperate in bombing his own planet with meteor bombs? It seems more plausible to assume that like Earthpeople, Gamilusians feature several races (and Dessler, being Everyone's Leader, can switch between them. :-) ).
Restitutus 2 years ago 2
You're right, there's no mention of earthlings turned into Gamilus combatant; it's a script flaw. Although they may had experiments on captured earthlings...
Hesuku 2 years ago
@Restitutus : Well there could be human terrorists who grown to hate their own species. These co-oporated with the Gamilians. The Terrorists would bombard their own homeplanet. When all the humans on Earth die the terrorist believed that the Gamilians would use the Radiation Vacume Clearer to de-radiate the planet
RocketHarry865 1 year ago
@RocketHarry865 But why would this terrorist talk in Gamilusian language to Kodai - as the fellow on Titan did?
Restitutus 1 year ago
@Restitutus :They could of learn the language from the Gamilians during the preperations for the invasion of the solar system
RocketHarry865 1 year ago
@RocketHarry865 I suppose they could. But why would they use Gamilusian when talking to KODAI???
Restitutus 1 year ago
@Restitutus Perhaps it was an injoke bearing in mind that when he saw the tank driver, he had the same skin tone as Kodi. Now that they have blue skin... it may have been some kind of japanese humour
Trek001 1 year ago
@Trek001
The point clearly is to counter the initial "Gamilusians are beasts", hence they may be examined by a vet.
BTW, I forgot to mention that Kodai also shot some Gamilusians face to face in the Pluto base. What did he THINK these fellows were?
Restitutus 1 year ago
Star Blazers
maxrafaelwaller 3 years ago
in the 1st battle they show by pluto, they did little damage agains the gamilans except with missiles, so why are the humans able to hurt the gamilans now? is it new weapons from the message from iscandar? they only tell us about the wave motion engine and adapting it to the yamato gun
1stb1 3 years ago 2
the notes at the end of the pluto base episode explained that weapons technology was included along with the wave motion gun/engine
iloveyellowelephants 3 years ago
wow i wonder why they translated Domels name into Lysis in starblazers.
whatewer23 4 years ago
Because of the "Rommel" reference...
KronnangDunn 4 years ago
oh i didnt see that one.
thanks for telling :)
whatewer23 4 years ago 6
Delser ~= Hitler
Domel ~= Rommel
6581R4 3 years ago
O_O
wow never thought that in that way.
whatewer23 3 years ago
Why is it Shultz then? For us Germans this name sounds so humble and mediocre - it is just our most common surname and not associated with anything nazistic.
Restitutus 3 years ago
I'll tell you something interesting. Most German proper names sound totally COOL when converted into Japanese. Although the spelling become too long to easily memorize, German names sound much nobler than almost any other foreign proper names in Japanese language.(Some may disagree with this) Japan has nothing against Germany, but Gamilus was modeled after Nazi, so they wanted some unity there. It's hard to imagine up alien names or costumes from nowhere, you know.
Hesuku 3 years ago
Correction: "proper names" -> "proper nouns" or "personal names" Sorry:P
Hesuku 3 years ago
For Japanese they sound probably alien enough to make for plausible extraterrestrials. German SF authors like Chinese-sounding names for the same reason. ;-)
But I am not sure about Gamilus=Nazis. Dessler has an ability to transcend his limits which you would not find in Hitler. Besides, Google shows that Domel is an actual German surname of Slavonic origin, so the equation with Rommel is obsolete.
Restitutus 3 years ago
Gamilus=Nazis is for sure, no doubt. Dessler's ability to transcend his limit? The scale of his evil is worse than any actual criminal against humanity on earth he should have been dead or executed. Some anime really screwed up the sense of justice or even common sense for viewers.
Hesuku 3 years ago
As long as Rommel was an able Nazi general, he is the model of Dommel.
Hesuku 3 years ago
I was thinking of his enlightenment in Y2/24. Inconceivable that any real Nazi would do that! He rather resembles emperor Augustus in that respect.
Besides, the Nazis never made suicide attacks like Shultz and Domel. This was reserved by others.
Restitutus 3 years ago
I know what you mean. Anime is cartoon but war anime could be grossly offensive by mixing up various elements from different nationalities and different era to create one kind of bad guys. Gamilus has a lot of other elements possibly from USA and Imperial Japan herself, but it is MAINLY Nazis, unmistakable.
Hesuku 3 years ago
Actually, some Nazis did perform suicidal attacks. The kind with which I am most familiar involves crashing their planes into enemy bombers in an attempt to disable them.
unMotivator 2 years ago
You are correct. The Germans even made two documentaries about it: "Nazi Kamikaze" and "Hitlers Todespiloten", both by Christoph Weber.
This happened however close to the end of WWII and was obviously inspired by the Japanese kamikaze.
Restitutus 2 years ago
Regardless, I thought it was misleading to say the Nazis never made suicide attacks.
unMotivator 2 years ago
Really? I never thought Aliens appearing in Star Trek would make fo rplausible extraterrestrials, either. Spock just looks like any of us except for the pointed ears. LOL
Don't get any funny ideas about Japan, if you please. Thanks!
bluepond5 3 years ago
Star Trek had to make compromises because whatever the mask you have to put a human actor in. Anime can easily produce non-human aliens - look at the Balanodons! That the Gamilusians appear like Westerners thus is certainly programmatic. Don't you think Domel looks like a grim Superman, THE American archetype?
Restitutus 3 years ago
You got a point there. I have my own thoughts, along with that. Wish that I could have a time to do that now.. Maybe next time. Good night from Tokyo
bluepond5 3 years ago
Restitutus, Japanese anime LOVED drawing good looking enemy officers in 70's(I have no idea what they are doing now). Just that.
Hesuku 2 years ago
But why the Superman class?
Restitutus 2 years ago
Superman is just one good-looking guy. And what's wrong with Superman?
Hesuku 2 years ago
He is so much an American stereotype that I think he was not accidentally chosen as role-model for Domel.
Restitutus 2 years ago
Sorry, to us, Americans and Germans look just the same.
Hesuku 2 years ago
There are no German Supermen.
Restitutus 2 years ago
Accept Americans positively, Restitutus.
Hesuku 2 years ago
*Klink voice* "Schuuuuultz!" */Klink voice*
Sorry, I had to do it.
fephisto 3 years ago
Lysis was one of my "favorite" Gamilons in "Starblazers". He was stern, steady, smart, and really should have beaten them were it not being sabotaged by his jealous underlings. I think he survived to make a cameo appearance in The Comet Empire shows too, appearing on Desler's (Desslock's)viewscreen when his fleet re-united.
pbanta62 3 years ago 2
@pbanta62 In the original Japanese version, Lysis killed himself while making a last ditch attempt to blow up the Yamato. The brief appearance of "Lysis" in the Comet Empire episodes was probably a coincidence. I ignored it.
DaleHusband 2 years ago
Great, great, great.......
Sirob11 4 years ago 2