time IS NOT RUNNING OUT, SHUT THE FUCK UP. rELGION IS JUST BLIND FAITH. HAVE YOU EVER SEEN God himself? If so, take me to him right now and don't quote the bible because the bible was written by neither God nor Jesus but by mortal man. The bible isn't God's word.
@angelsgravity It is not my job to convince you. You already have all the proof you need. Read Romans 1:18-20 (really read through the end of the chapter at least). Here is some more Bible for you: "The fool has said in his heart, There is no God" (Ps 14:1a KJV). Do not die in your sins. That is the most foolish thing you can possibly do. Repent while you still have time. God's longsuffering does not last forever. You really are in grave danger.
Again, prove to me that God exists without quoting the Bible. If you knew exactly where God is and you know God, you wouldn't need to look in a bible to try to convince somebody.
@angelsgravity We are repeating ourselves, but again, it is not my job to convince you.
I've never agreed to any condition to disregard the Bible in this discussion. The verses I referred to were not meant to prove God's existence. They are a reminder to you that you do not have any valid excuse before God.
However, if you are willing to consider it, you are the proof.
again prove to me God exists without looking in a book. Obviously you can't since you keep reverting to the bible. I'm not the proof God exists, I became about because of my parents. If it weren't for them loving each other then I wouldn't be. By the way, it says in bible since you want to go there that only God can judge and that's what you're doing in your video judging. so you are sinning. Bible is mortal man's words not God's, God never wrote the bible.
@angelsgravity Sorry for the delay in responding, I was on the road...
You addressed four different topics in your last post.
1) Proof-not my problem. I keep referring to the Bible because it is the Word of God. If you will hear, you can be saved (John 5:5). It has a sanctifying effect on those that will listen (John 17:17). Skeptics always say "show me and I'll believe". But they won't. Miracles do not produce faith. People typically do not want to believe because they hate God.
@angelsgravity 2) You are proof. You are a somewhat intelligent, moral, personal being. Cause is greater than effect. You must have a Cause that is of greater intelligence, morality and personality (not some impersonal "force"). You are fearfully and wonderfully made (Ps 139:14). You are made in the image of God (Gen 1:27) but you choose to live like an animal. That is possibly the worst kind of blasphemy.
@angelsgravity 3) Where does it say in the Bible "only God can judge"? I ask the question because most people I've encountered that make statements like that do not know anything about what they are talking about. Feel free to do your own study on the subject and we can talk more. While you are thinking about it, consider that Jesus taught His followers that they were the light of the world (MT 5:14). Light exposes what is in darkness (Eph 5:11-13). Darkness does not like it.
OMG< I say to prove that God exists and without quoting the bible and what do you do quote the bible! Proves what dumb ass you truly are. How do I know that God didn't write the Bible and mortal man did? Simple really, God wouldn't discriminate against His children or condone killing people or slavery. Ever curse at your parents even once? Then according to bible you should be put to death, but wouldn't that be breaking one of 10 commandments, Though shall not kill.
@angelsgravity You have all the proof you need, but you can obviously use much more Bible.
The God of the Bible does not conform to your standard and you do not understand many things about Him. That is not proof that He does not exist. If you are seriously interested in discussing these issues I can address them.
It is true that according to the Bible I deserve Hell. So do you. The good news is that because of the gospel, neither of us have to go there. Which way will you go?
God is about love not hate, and you people say that people are on your way to Hell and not going to Heaven, That's Judging. There are so many contradictions in bible and IF God wrote it there would be no contradictions. Ever know anybody who cheated on their wife/husband? According to Leviticus 20:10 they shall be put to death. So seriously shut the fuck up!
@angelsgravity God loves and hates. Warning people that they are on their way to Hell does often involve some judgment, but is actually loving. People do not have to go to Hell. They can heed the warning. The Bible teaches much about judging. It teaches not to judge hypocritically and to judge righteous judgment. I do not think you studied much about it as I suggested.
There are no contradictions in the Bible. Arrogant, superficial examinations of the Bible will not discover this.
and yet in ALL your comments you retort to the Bible, when it's not God's words. IF it were God he wouldn't need a book and mortal people to preach it. You are a judgmental jerk who tries to hide behind religion to try to justify their hate in people.
@angelsgravity The Bible is what matters, not my opinion or yours. Be honest. You vehemently hate the Bible and the God that gave it to us. God does not need a book or man, but He gave us His word in written form and through preaching because He loves us and knows that we are lost without Him. God cries out to His enemies. He offers them the opportunity to be reconciled to Himself. He gives them time to think about it, but the opportunity does not last forever.
@angelsgravity You accuse me of hatred, yet throughout this entire discussion you have heaped insult after insult upon me and other preachers. Who hates who? You judge me to be judgmental. Kinda hypocritical isn't it. I'm not complaining, just hoping you will see the truth. I do not take it personal. It is really between you and the Lord Jesus Christ who loved you enough to die for you. Will you love Him back?
@angelsgravity Concerning your Leviticus 20:10 point: God's justice cries out for our eternal punishment, yet He offers us His grace and mercy instead. "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord" (Rom 6:23). Take your pick.
and isn't God supposed to love the sinner but hate the sin. If God loved the sinner he wouldn't have wrote that verse in bible IF he wrote it, which He didn't. You see you people twist the words of the bible to your own beliefs and will use it against people to how YOU interpret the bible. The Bible is NOT GOD'S WORDS. and besides, have you even seen God himself?
@angelsgravity The saying "love the sinner, but hate the sin" is not in the Bible. Romans 5:8 tells us that "God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us". That is not the problem. The problem is whether you will love God. If the great love that Christ shed abroad for us on that old rugged cross will not break your heart over your sin, nothing else will. You will die as His enemy, and He will treat you accordingly.
@angelsgravity Saying "the Bible is not God's words" in all capital letters does not prove anything. You do not want it to be God's word. You are "interpreting" it in such a way that you feel consoled that you do not believe it.
Still, God will judge you according to His word. You have been fairly warned (repeatedly).
You telling me I have been warned, are you God? No. How do you know what God wants, if you have never talked to God himself. Again, prove to me God exists without quoting the Bible? Like I said before I am here because of my parents.
@angelsgravity I am not God. I know some of what God wants because He has told me. I have talked to God. You asked the question. That is my answer. Any chance that you will believe it? If not, why are you asking?
Why do you keep asking me to prove God's existence? It is not my job. He has already done so. What you need is more Bible. You apparently refuse to even consider it, and not because it's not worth considering, but simply because you do not want to.
@angelsgravity I have offered you the evidence of creation. It is a self-evident truth. Your self-imposed myopia will not let you see past your own parents. What is the First Cause? This is a very important question because one day you will have to give an account to Him (and you know it).
and the posters in your video saying that people deserve Hell says it all, you are saying everybody deserves Hell. Who are you to say what God wants? You've never seen God. Who are you to tell people how they should communicate with God or how to live their lives? People like like are what give religious people a bad rep. Whatever happened to love one another?
@angelsgravity I am saying that, according to the Bible, everybody deserves Hell (are we actually making progress here?). Thanks to the gospel though, none of us have to go. God says what He wants. God tells us how we should communicate with Him. God tells us how we are to live our lives. God tells us in the Bible. You refuse to listen. I'm passing on the message (again per the Bible) hoping you will change your mind.
and God has different plans for each of us. What God has planned for me is different than what he has planned for you. Don't judge me for how I communicate with God. I don't believe in the bible, but I believe in God and communicate with God in my own way.
@angelsgravity "God has different plans for each of us". I agree. God does not have a different standard for us though. His standard is perfection. We have all fallen short. Therefore, we all need a Savior. Thank God for the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ.
@angelsgravity "Don't judge me for how I communicate with God". Until now I did not know that you believed in God.
My mistake.
What do you believe?
I recommend that you answer this question in a "message" to me as opposed to a "comment" here so you will have room to explain your belief. I'll reply accordingly.
@angelsgravity A bad rep? Actually, Jesus repeatedly warned His followers that they would be hated by the world because the world hates Him. He tells us why in John 7:7. He was talking to unbelievers when He said "The world cannot hate you, but me it hateth, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil." That is why you hate Him (and us).
Love one another? That is what we are doing. Love warns of judgment.
and here you go again quoting the bible..... I said to prove to me that God exists without quoting the bible. Man wrote the bile and you know it. Don't tell me how I choose to communicate with God and how to live my life. What you are doing is judgmental and I never said I hate you. All I said was a simple request prove to me that God exists without quoting the Bible and you can't do it. How I communicate with God is my business, not yours. you and that woman are so annoying
@angelsgravity "here you again quoting the Bible..." Yep.
Here's more: "(7) And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, (8) In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:" (2 Thes 1:7-8).
I am going to use the Bible. It is non-negotiable.
@angelsgravity "prove to me that God exists..." Why? You apparently believe that He does?
Also, I have offered you now two brief arguments for a Creator that you have largely or totally ignored.
Come clean now. Do you really want to discuss this? If so, respond with a reasonable argument in a message (as opposed to a comment here) what your point is. Of course, I'm going to argue for the Biblical view.
If you only want to insult me, you have already accomplished that.
@angelsgravity "Don't tell me..." I'm going to tell you what the Bible teaches about these subjects. Take it or leave it. Still, I hope that you would wisely consider it.
"judgmental". I already agreed that what I am doing "often involves some judgment". Are you actually reading my responses? What else did I already say about the subject?
Keep proving my point. The bible is how you intrepret it. You ever curse at your parents? Ever know of someone who cheated on their spouse? If so they should be killed according to the bible. but wouldn't that be breaking 1 of the 10 commandments, though shall not kill?
@angelsgravity "Interpret". You've never answered my question "How do you "interpret" "except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish" (Lu 13:3 & 5)?" You had better start interpreting correctly. Your eternal future is at stake.
Keep proving my point....... All I have said prove to me God exists without looking in a book, and you CAn't do it, which is sad. God is the only person who can judge, and the bile is NOT God, and neither are you. You are as annoying as the loud annoying bitch woman screaming in he megaphone
@angelsgravity Capital punishment vs. "Thou shall not kill"? It is hard not to be sarcastic at this point. This false dichotomy is easily (and obviously) refuted. Please show me that you are actually somewhat serious about this discussion and do your own simple research. See if you can find the counter-argument to your point.
@angelsgravity "I never said I hate you". I am willing to possibly concede the point, but you are doing a poor job of convincing me. "All I said..." I don't want to repeat probably 80% of what you've said in this discussion. I believe that the average neutral observer who read what you've said thus far would conclude that you deeply hate me. Furthermore, to make your point about not hating me, you strangely end your above post with yet another insult. I'm not offended, just the facts.
You can try and say what you are doing is love, but it is not. and you say I hate God, do you even know me? No. All I have said is prove to me God exists without quoting the bible and that the Bible is not God's words. So quit judging people for how you think what God wants. What you think God wants and what God actually wants are 2 different things. You see you twists verses of the bible to how you interpret it or to your own benefit to judge people.
@angelsgravity "love, but it is not". How do you know my motives? You want to correct me for judging your motives, but then you judge mine. I've told you some of my motivation. Believe it or don't believe it.
"Do you even know me?" No I do not. Let me clarify a point. I believe that you hate the God of the Bible. You clearly do not love Him. According to the Bible there is no middle ground. I can give you scripture, but evidence suggests that you hate that. Kinda proves my point.
and that one woman who has the sign that says "You Deserve Hell" so are you guys saying that everybody deserved Hell? YOu don't know people and you are so quick to judge. You see all you do is scream at people with quotes from people saying people deserve Hell, but you don't see people as humans, you look down on people. Did it ever occur to you that you are sinning by judging people without knowing them?
@angelsgravity "everybody deserves Hell?" Yes. I already answered this above:
" I am saying that, according to the Bible, everybody deserves Hell (are we actually making progress here?). Thanks to the gospel though, none of us have to go."
There is no point in me discussing anything with any depth if you are going to ignore my comments.
@angelsgravity "you don't see people as humans". Yes I do. Humans are going to spend eternity in one of two places. We are either going to respond to the gospel, and follow Jesus Christ to Heaven (which He prefers), or we are going to die in our sins and wear out a long eternity in a lake of fire and brimstone. People need to hear this very important truth, whether they like it or not, because the ramifications of it are eternal.
@angelsgravity "judging people w/out knowing them?" I do not have to know them. The Bible tells us that "they are all under sin" (Rom 3:9). We all need a Saviour.
I've responded earlier to your concerns about the "judgment" issue, but I do not see where you are actually considering my responses.
Repost: "The Bible...teaches not to judge hypocritically and to judge righteous judgment". I'm willing to elaborate. Are you willing to listen?
@angelsgravity "You twist verses of the Bible..." How? Give an example. I've been quoting scripture throughout this discussion, so you should have plenty of ammunition.
Also, I'll repeat my earlier question about interpretation, which so far you have ignored.
How do you "interpret" "except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish" (Lu 13:3 & 5)?
You only quote a few lines from the bible for your benefit, but won't quote verses of bible that talk about women slaves, killing people for cursing at their parents, killing a whole city of people osimply 4 loving someone of the same sex. Does that sond like a loving God? No, but that's not God that wrote the bible mortal man did. I communicate w/God in my own way, I don't need a book to tell me how to live my life or talk to God
@angelsgravity "only quote a few lines from the Bible". You have been quite upset with the scripture I have used, and now you complain because I don't use more. Do you have a Bible?
"for your benefit". No, they are not for my benefit, but for yours if you will listen to them and believe.
@angelsgravity "Does that sound like a loving God?" Yes.
This point illustrates the whole problem though. People hate the God of the Bible. You have judged the good God of the Bible unfit for command and so you rebel against Him. You will not do things His way, so you make a god to suit your needs. This is called idolatry. It is also sinful. You communicate with your god your way. Sounds nice, but it won't work for eternity. God has revealed Himself. We are accountable to Him.
Easy to say because I'm posting on a computer, you can always trace the computer. Can you find something that is from God, that proves beyond a shadow of doubt that God exists without quoting any verses from the Bible
God bless these soldiers proclaiming the TRUTH.
jordan7787 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
Shut the hell up about this religion shit. if people wanted to join your religion than they would have already joined. damn bible thumpers!
angelsgravity 9 months ago
@angelsgravity That's your conscience speaking. You had better listen. Time is running out.
BroPatOC 9 months ago
@BroPatOC
time IS NOT RUNNING OUT, SHUT THE FUCK UP. rELGION IS JUST BLIND FAITH. HAVE YOU EVER SEEN God himself? If so, take me to him right now and don't quote the bible because the bible was written by neither God nor Jesus but by mortal man. The bible isn't God's word.
angelsgravity 9 months ago
@angelsgravity You know the truth in your heart. You are without excuse. Time is running out.
"...it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment" (Heb 9:27, KJV of the Bible).
Turn from your sins through real repentance and believe in the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ before it is too late.
BroPatOC 9 months ago
@BroPatOC
I said prove to me that God exists without quoting the bible and what do you do? Quote the bible. Haha such an idiot you are!
angelsgravity 9 months ago
@angelsgravity It is not my job to convince you. You already have all the proof you need. Read Romans 1:18-20 (really read through the end of the chapter at least). Here is some more Bible for you: "The fool has said in his heart, There is no God" (Ps 14:1a KJV). Do not die in your sins. That is the most foolish thing you can possibly do. Repent while you still have time. God's longsuffering does not last forever. You really are in grave danger.
BroPatOC 9 months ago
@BroPatOC
Again, prove to me that God exists without quoting the Bible. If you knew exactly where God is and you know God, you wouldn't need to look in a bible to try to convince somebody.
angelsgravity 8 months ago
@angelsgravity We are repeating ourselves, but again, it is not my job to convince you.
I've never agreed to any condition to disregard the Bible in this discussion. The verses I referred to were not meant to prove God's existence. They are a reminder to you that you do not have any valid excuse before God.
However, if you are willing to consider it, you are the proof.
BroPatOC 8 months ago
@BroPatOC
again prove to me God exists without looking in a book. Obviously you can't since you keep reverting to the bible. I'm not the proof God exists, I became about because of my parents. If it weren't for them loving each other then I wouldn't be. By the way, it says in bible since you want to go there that only God can judge and that's what you're doing in your video judging. so you are sinning. Bible is mortal man's words not God's, God never wrote the bible.
angelsgravity 8 months ago
@angelsgravity Sorry for the delay in responding, I was on the road...
You addressed four different topics in your last post.
1) Proof-not my problem. I keep referring to the Bible because it is the Word of God. If you will hear, you can be saved (John 5:5). It has a sanctifying effect on those that will listen (John 17:17). Skeptics always say "show me and I'll believe". But they won't. Miracles do not produce faith. People typically do not want to believe because they hate God.
BroPatOC 8 months ago
@angelsgravity 2) You are proof. You are a somewhat intelligent, moral, personal being. Cause is greater than effect. You must have a Cause that is of greater intelligence, morality and personality (not some impersonal "force"). You are fearfully and wonderfully made (Ps 139:14). You are made in the image of God (Gen 1:27) but you choose to live like an animal. That is possibly the worst kind of blasphemy.
BroPatOC 8 months ago
@angelsgravity 3) Where does it say in the Bible "only God can judge"? I ask the question because most people I've encountered that make statements like that do not know anything about what they are talking about. Feel free to do your own study on the subject and we can talk more. While you are thinking about it, consider that Jesus taught His followers that they were the light of the world (MT 5:14). Light exposes what is in darkness (Eph 5:11-13). Darkness does not like it.
BroPatOC 8 months ago
@BroPatOC
OMG< I say to prove that God exists and without quoting the bible and what do you do quote the bible! Proves what dumb ass you truly are. How do I know that God didn't write the Bible and mortal man did? Simple really, God wouldn't discriminate against His children or condone killing people or slavery. Ever curse at your parents even once? Then according to bible you should be put to death, but wouldn't that be breaking one of 10 commandments, Though shall not kill.
angelsgravity 8 months ago
@angelsgravity You have all the proof you need, but you can obviously use much more Bible.
The God of the Bible does not conform to your standard and you do not understand many things about Him. That is not proof that He does not exist. If you are seriously interested in discussing these issues I can address them.
It is true that according to the Bible I deserve Hell. So do you. The good news is that because of the gospel, neither of us have to go there. Which way will you go?
BroPatOC 8 months ago
@angelsgravity 4) How do you know that the Bible is only the work of men and not the Word of God? Why do you believe that?
Thanks for your time.
BroPatOC 8 months ago
@BroPatOC
God is about love not hate, and you people say that people are on your way to Hell and not going to Heaven, That's Judging. There are so many contradictions in bible and IF God wrote it there would be no contradictions. Ever know anybody who cheated on their wife/husband? According to Leviticus 20:10 they shall be put to death. So seriously shut the fuck up!
angelsgravity 8 months ago
@angelsgravity God loves and hates. Warning people that they are on their way to Hell does often involve some judgment, but is actually loving. People do not have to go to Hell. They can heed the warning. The Bible teaches much about judging. It teaches not to judge hypocritically and to judge righteous judgment. I do not think you studied much about it as I suggested.
There are no contradictions in the Bible. Arrogant, superficial examinations of the Bible will not discover this.
BroPatOC 8 months ago
@BroPatOC
and yet in ALL your comments you retort to the Bible, when it's not God's words. IF it were God he wouldn't need a book and mortal people to preach it. You are a judgmental jerk who tries to hide behind religion to try to justify their hate in people.
angelsgravity 8 months ago
@angelsgravity The Bible is what matters, not my opinion or yours. Be honest. You vehemently hate the Bible and the God that gave it to us. God does not need a book or man, but He gave us His word in written form and through preaching because He loves us and knows that we are lost without Him. God cries out to His enemies. He offers them the opportunity to be reconciled to Himself. He gives them time to think about it, but the opportunity does not last forever.
BroPatOC 8 months ago
@angelsgravity You accuse me of hatred, yet throughout this entire discussion you have heaped insult after insult upon me and other preachers. Who hates who? You judge me to be judgmental. Kinda hypocritical isn't it. I'm not complaining, just hoping you will see the truth. I do not take it personal. It is really between you and the Lord Jesus Christ who loved you enough to die for you. Will you love Him back?
BroPatOC 8 months ago
@angelsgravity Concerning your Leviticus 20:10 point: God's justice cries out for our eternal punishment, yet He offers us His grace and mercy instead. "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord" (Rom 6:23). Take your pick.
BroPatOC 8 months ago
@BroPatOC
and isn't God supposed to love the sinner but hate the sin. If God loved the sinner he wouldn't have wrote that verse in bible IF he wrote it, which He didn't. You see you people twist the words of the bible to your own beliefs and will use it against people to how YOU interpret the bible. The Bible is NOT GOD'S WORDS. and besides, have you even seen God himself?
angelsgravity 8 months ago
@angelsgravity The saying "love the sinner, but hate the sin" is not in the Bible. Romans 5:8 tells us that "God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us". That is not the problem. The problem is whether you will love God. If the great love that Christ shed abroad for us on that old rugged cross will not break your heart over your sin, nothing else will. You will die as His enemy, and He will treat you accordingly.
BroPatOC 8 months ago
@angelsgravity How do you "interpret" "except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish" (Lu 13:3 & 5)?
BroPatOC 8 months ago
@angelsgravity Saying "the Bible is not God's words" in all capital letters does not prove anything. You do not want it to be God's word. You are "interpreting" it in such a way that you feel consoled that you do not believe it.
Still, God will judge you according to His word. You have been fairly warned (repeatedly).
BroPatOC 8 months ago
@BroPatOC
You telling me I have been warned, are you God? No. How do you know what God wants, if you have never talked to God himself. Again, prove to me God exists without quoting the Bible? Like I said before I am here because of my parents.
angelsgravity 8 months ago
@angelsgravity I am not God. I know some of what God wants because He has told me. I have talked to God. You asked the question. That is my answer. Any chance that you will believe it? If not, why are you asking?
Why do you keep asking me to prove God's existence? It is not my job. He has already done so. What you need is more Bible. You apparently refuse to even consider it, and not because it's not worth considering, but simply because you do not want to.
BroPatOC 8 months ago
@angelsgravity I have offered you the evidence of creation. It is a self-evident truth. Your self-imposed myopia will not let you see past your own parents. What is the First Cause? This is a very important question because one day you will have to give an account to Him (and you know it).
You have been warned. Heed it or not.
BroPatOC 8 months ago
@BroPatOC
and please tell that woman in the video that's screaming in the megaphone to shut up, she's more annoying than you
angelsgravity 8 months ago
@BroPatOC
and the posters in your video saying that people deserve Hell says it all, you are saying everybody deserves Hell. Who are you to say what God wants? You've never seen God. Who are you to tell people how they should communicate with God or how to live their lives? People like like are what give religious people a bad rep. Whatever happened to love one another?
angelsgravity 8 months ago
@angelsgravity I am saying that, according to the Bible, everybody deserves Hell (are we actually making progress here?). Thanks to the gospel though, none of us have to go. God says what He wants. God tells us how we should communicate with Him. God tells us how we are to live our lives. God tells us in the Bible. You refuse to listen. I'm passing on the message (again per the Bible) hoping you will change your mind.
BroPatOC 8 months ago
@BroPatOC
and God has different plans for each of us. What God has planned for me is different than what he has planned for you. Don't judge me for how I communicate with God. I don't believe in the bible, but I believe in God and communicate with God in my own way.
angelsgravity 8 months ago
@angelsgravity "God has different plans for each of us". I agree. God does not have a different standard for us though. His standard is perfection. We have all fallen short. Therefore, we all need a Savior. Thank God for the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ.
BroPatOC 8 months ago
@angelsgravity "Don't judge me for how I communicate with God". Until now I did not know that you believed in God.
My mistake.
What do you believe?
I recommend that you answer this question in a "message" to me as opposed to a "comment" here so you will have room to explain your belief. I'll reply accordingly.
BroPatOC 8 months ago
@angelsgravity A bad rep? Actually, Jesus repeatedly warned His followers that they would be hated by the world because the world hates Him. He tells us why in John 7:7. He was talking to unbelievers when He said "The world cannot hate you, but me it hateth, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil." That is why you hate Him (and us).
Love one another? That is what we are doing. Love warns of judgment.
BroPatOC 8 months ago
@BroPatOC
and here you go again quoting the bible..... I said to prove to me that God exists without quoting the bible. Man wrote the bile and you know it. Don't tell me how I choose to communicate with God and how to live my life. What you are doing is judgmental and I never said I hate you. All I said was a simple request prove to me that God exists without quoting the Bible and you can't do it. How I communicate with God is my business, not yours. you and that woman are so annoying
angelsgravity 8 months ago
@angelsgravity "here you again quoting the Bible..." Yep.
Here's more: "(7) And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, (8) In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:" (2 Thes 1:7-8).
I am going to use the Bible. It is non-negotiable.
Why do you insist on the restriction?
BroPatOC 8 months ago
@angelsgravity "prove to me that God exists..." Why? You apparently believe that He does?
Also, I have offered you now two brief arguments for a Creator that you have largely or totally ignored.
Come clean now. Do you really want to discuss this? If so, respond with a reasonable argument in a message (as opposed to a comment here) what your point is. Of course, I'm going to argue for the Biblical view.
If you only want to insult me, you have already accomplished that.
BroPatOC 8 months ago
@angelsgravity "Don't tell me..." I'm going to tell you what the Bible teaches about these subjects. Take it or leave it. Still, I hope that you would wisely consider it.
"judgmental". I already agreed that what I am doing "often involves some judgment". Are you actually reading my responses? What else did I already say about the subject?
BroPatOC 8 months ago
@BroPatOC
Keep proving my point. The bible is how you intrepret it. You ever curse at your parents? Ever know of someone who cheated on their spouse? If so they should be killed according to the bible. but wouldn't that be breaking 1 of the 10 commandments, though shall not kill?
angelsgravity 8 months ago
@angelsgravity "Interpret". You've never answered my question "How do you "interpret" "except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish" (Lu 13:3 & 5)?" You had better start interpreting correctly. Your eternal future is at stake.
BroPatOC 8 months ago
@BroPatOC
Keep proving my point....... All I have said prove to me God exists without looking in a book, and you CAn't do it, which is sad. God is the only person who can judge, and the bile is NOT God, and neither are you. You are as annoying as the loud annoying bitch woman screaming in he megaphone
angelsgravity 7 months ago
@angelsgravity Capital punishment vs. "Thou shall not kill"? It is hard not to be sarcastic at this point. This false dichotomy is easily (and obviously) refuted. Please show me that you are actually somewhat serious about this discussion and do your own simple research. See if you can find the counter-argument to your point.
BroPatOC 8 months ago
@angelsgravity "I never said I hate you". I am willing to possibly concede the point, but you are doing a poor job of convincing me. "All I said..." I don't want to repeat probably 80% of what you've said in this discussion. I believe that the average neutral observer who read what you've said thus far would conclude that you deeply hate me. Furthermore, to make your point about not hating me, you strangely end your above post with yet another insult. I'm not offended, just the facts.
BroPatOC 8 months ago
@BroPatOC
You can try and say what you are doing is love, but it is not. and you say I hate God, do you even know me? No. All I have said is prove to me God exists without quoting the bible and that the Bible is not God's words. So quit judging people for how you think what God wants. What you think God wants and what God actually wants are 2 different things. You see you twists verses of the bible to how you interpret it or to your own benefit to judge people.
angelsgravity 8 months ago
@angelsgravity "love, but it is not". How do you know my motives? You want to correct me for judging your motives, but then you judge mine. I've told you some of my motivation. Believe it or don't believe it.
"Do you even know me?" No I do not. Let me clarify a point. I believe that you hate the God of the Bible. You clearly do not love Him. According to the Bible there is no middle ground. I can give you scripture, but evidence suggests that you hate that. Kinda proves my point.
BroPatOC 8 months ago
@BroPatOC
and that one woman who has the sign that says "You Deserve Hell" so are you guys saying that everybody deserved Hell? YOu don't know people and you are so quick to judge. You see all you do is scream at people with quotes from people saying people deserve Hell, but you don't see people as humans, you look down on people. Did it ever occur to you that you are sinning by judging people without knowing them?
angelsgravity 8 months ago
@angelsgravity "everybody deserves Hell?" Yes. I already answered this above:
" I am saying that, according to the Bible, everybody deserves Hell (are we actually making progress here?). Thanks to the gospel though, none of us have to go."
There is no point in me discussing anything with any depth if you are going to ignore my comments.
BroPatOC 8 months ago
@angelsgravity "you don't see people as humans". Yes I do. Humans are going to spend eternity in one of two places. We are either going to respond to the gospel, and follow Jesus Christ to Heaven (which He prefers), or we are going to die in our sins and wear out a long eternity in a lake of fire and brimstone. People need to hear this very important truth, whether they like it or not, because the ramifications of it are eternal.
BroPatOC 8 months ago
@angelsgravity "judging people w/out knowing them?" I do not have to know them. The Bible tells us that "they are all under sin" (Rom 3:9). We all need a Saviour.
I've responded earlier to your concerns about the "judgment" issue, but I do not see where you are actually considering my responses.
Repost: "The Bible...teaches not to judge hypocritically and to judge righteous judgment". I'm willing to elaborate. Are you willing to listen?
BroPatOC 8 months ago
@angelsgravity "You twist verses of the Bible..." How? Give an example. I've been quoting scripture throughout this discussion, so you should have plenty of ammunition.
Also, I'll repeat my earlier question about interpretation, which so far you have ignored.
How do you "interpret" "except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish" (Lu 13:3 & 5)?
BroPatOC 8 months ago
@BroPatOC
You only quote a few lines from the bible for your benefit, but won't quote verses of bible that talk about women slaves, killing people for cursing at their parents, killing a whole city of people osimply 4 loving someone of the same sex. Does that sond like a loving God? No, but that's not God that wrote the bible mortal man did. I communicate w/God in my own way, I don't need a book to tell me how to live my life or talk to God
angelsgravity 8 months ago
@angelsgravity "only quote a few lines from the Bible". You have been quite upset with the scripture I have used, and now you complain because I don't use more. Do you have a Bible?
"for your benefit". No, they are not for my benefit, but for yours if you will listen to them and believe.
BroPatOC 8 months ago
@angelsgravity "Does that sound like a loving God?" Yes.
This point illustrates the whole problem though. People hate the God of the Bible. You have judged the good God of the Bible unfit for command and so you rebel against Him. You will not do things His way, so you make a god to suit your needs. This is called idolatry. It is also sinful. You communicate with your god your way. Sounds nice, but it won't work for eternity. God has revealed Himself. We are accountable to Him.
BroPatOC 8 months ago
@angelsgravity I have never seen you, yet I do believe that you exist.
BroPatOC 8 months ago
@BroPatOC
Easy to say because I'm posting on a computer, you can always trace the computer. Can you find something that is from God, that proves beyond a shadow of doubt that God exists without quoting any verses from the Bible
angelsgravity 8 months ago
@angelsgravity I don't have to trace anything. We are communicating (hopefully). That is reasonable enough evidence that you exist.
We are exchanging information. Really, in a physical sense, that is what we are. Information. The extremely complex code found in our DNA.
There is only one identifiable source for information, and that is Intelligence.
You are fearfully and wonderfully made (Ps 139:14).
BroPatOC 8 months ago
Good preaching!!!
mcraevid 9 months ago
That's Good ole Preaching and witnessing guys and girls!
Amen, and keep it up!
Briancranford 9 months ago
Great compilation brother! Thanks...
skellys3 9 months ago
Great job, gang.
buddyfisher1 9 months ago