Gruen Nation - Wil Anderson - Voice of Australia

[Soundgarden8497]

i hope you can speak mandarin wil anderson, because you'll be singing the chinese national anthem if gillard remains in power, you fucking left wing moron.

[patrickwright1]

@Soundgarden8497 Slight paranoia much?

[Soundgarden8497]

@patrickwright1 not paranoid at all, just a rational realist. gillard is ruining this country, the longer she remains in power the bigger the slide we take to becoming a communist nation under her dictatorship. the majority of Australians didn't want the carbon tax, but she just rushed it through, because she doesn't care what the people think, she only represents herself and not Australia.

[patrickwright1]

In no way does Gillard support the nationalisation and collectivisation of the means of production. That is communism. Suggesting unpopular politicians have communist agendas is a cheap form of hollow criticism. Governments are entitled to form coalitions, as they do in the majority of countries, and pass unpopular laws. This is perfectly democratic, and people who suffer under dictatorships would appreciate greatly the right to vote out a leader every 3 years.

[patrickwright1]

Not very democratic of you to exclude members from a particular political party from having a say because you oppose their policies. The reality is that some governments become unpopular, but at the election, the government won a majority of votes. Further, preferences are not undemocratic, they have always existed and are an accepted part of Australian democracy. They actually stop candidates winning seats where the majority have voted for different candidates. BTW, how is she a communist?

[Soundgarden8497]

@patrickwright1 preferences are undemocratic because that gives you more than one go. everyone should have 1 vote only and if that vote gets "killed" then you should have no "afterlife" for it to pass onto some other party. voting is basically a peaceful war, once you lose you cant go and join another side, you're finished. businesses are going broke all across the country, and this carbon tax is going to make even more Australians go broke. she's taking away incentives to work.

[patrickwright1]

In most cases, votes do get killed because candidates often win over fifty percent in many seats. However, as a representative democracy, members elected should best represent the political views of their constituents. Therefore, a candidate elected under preferences is more likely to representative of the political views of most of the constituents than a candidate they voted against. Of course, the preference system is a compromise- true democracy= proportional representation.

[patrickwright1]

I would suggest poverty itself is the greatest disincentive to work. Being forced to beg and receive charity, or worse, to see one's innocent children go without meals breeds immense contempt for society and anything they stand for- including working. Welfare is important- children have done nothing to deserve poverty, yet those who oppose welfare will condemn them to a life of disadvantage- and poverty. Adults, not wanting to work but unable to eat, and who distrust society, will turn to crime.

[patrickwright1]

BTW, and I don't like the subject, but most small businesses are not going to be effected greatly by the carbon tax. Small businesses do not have to pay the carbon tax, and the impact of the tax will be low. The government is providing compensation through asset write off, and by providing 240 million in advice to them on cleaner energy. Considering green technology may increase up to forty percent of the energy mix by 2050 because of the tax, business will actually be exponentially better off.

[Soundgarden8497]

@patrickwright1 to begin with, but within a couple of years everyone is going to start paying for the carbon tax more and more. the big companies which actually keep Australia going and the majority of people employed will have to pay a LOT of carbon tax which will unavoidably drive the price of their items up which will effectively make them unable to compete with other countries that produce things without this extra carbon tax burden. it's hard to compete globally already. this is death

[patrickwright1]

Competing overseas is not a priority for non-trade exposed companies The carbon tax will favour companies and products sold here made with less emissions, thereby increasing employment in cleaner companies. However, some companies will continue to produce high emissions and yet need to compete abroad, so the 'Jobs and Competitiveness Program' is to provide 9.2 Billion so companies can compete, and which will cover 94.5 per cent of the highest emitting trade exposed industries' tax burden.

[Soundgarden8497]

@patrickwright1 you do realise that you're a fuckwit? most of Australia's money comes from exporting goods. patrick wright, surely that's not your name... what a fucking embarrassment you're making of yourself. go kiss gillard's autocratic arse some more you muppet.

[patrickwright1]

Most of Australia's wealth does come from export, so that is why high emission, trade exposed industries will have 95.4 percent of their carbon tax charge covered, meaning they can compete with overseas companies that are from countries without a carbon tax. Obviously this doesn't apply to non-trade exposed industries because they will be competing on a level playing field with other carbon taxed companies, and not non-green foreign companies.

[Soundgarden8497]

@patrickwright1 WHAT'S THE POINT OF CARBON TAX THEN? it's just a redistribution of wealth and a LOT of money will be going to developing countries that cannot afford to implement carbon efficient technologies. it's basically throwing away money to other countries when we need it for ourselves. no one else is going to help Australia, so Australia needs to start looking after itself better. people are going broke here, there's a lot of homeless in our own country. carbon tax wont save a thing

[patrickwright1]

The point of the carbon tax is to create an incentive for big business to invest in greener technology. Although this will obviously increase the price of certain goods, not only will consumers be fully compensated for this increase, there will also be a strong incentive for them to buy the cheaper, greener products- therefore making the production of greener product not just economically viable but a necessity of these big companies profitability.

[Soundgarden8497]

@patrickwright1 it all sounds good, but at the end of the day it's just a redistribution of wealth, that's the plain and simple of it. there's other ways to implement green technologies without punishing businesses until they comply, if they instead provided incentives alone eventually everyone would convert when they update their business. i want the world to become cleaner, but the carbon tax is bullshit that is simply giving money away overseas. are you going to admit that at any stage?

[patrickwright1]

No I am not going to admit money is being given away overseas because I have already explained that trade exposed industries are not particularly subject to the tax. This is not about punishing business, it is about rewarding businesses that don't pollute our environment, and making businesses which do pay for it. This is about corporate responsibility, and most businesses will have a great incentive to become cleaner.

[patrickwright1]

By making greener products/services an economic necessity, a relatively small tax has a big impact in reducing carbon emissions. I've already explained that the tax allows companies that trade overseas to remain almost exactly as competitive as before. They will only be subject to the tax over a far longer period, and then, only if other countries introduce carbon taxes. It allows us, the highest per capita carbon emitter in the world, to make a first step without compromising competitiveness.

[patrickwright1]

If the government were more committed to the issues of homelessness and wealth inequality, then it could have addressed those issues better by now, particularly during the pre 2007 period of immense prosperity. However, over ten years of liberal party policies cutting funding for Australia's most vulnerable and poorest citizens, the undermining of unions, and deregulation of the economy, the rich are allowed to become richer, the poor poorer, and greater numbers sent into destitution.

[Soundgarden8497]

@patrickwright1 more people have become homeless now due to labor wasting all the money and sending private business broke

[patrickwright1]

No Labor policy, including tax policy, has seriously harmed private business. Further, the Labor government has increased spending on homeless, directly contrasting the pass efforts of the decade the Liberal government had to do it.

[Soundgarden8497]

@patrickwright1 oh dear, you're just blatantly lying. just the same way wayne swan lies about how healthy our economy is despite a $180 billion debt. you're anti Australian. the truth is if an election was held tomorrow, labor would be fucking annihilated because they are ruining everything except for the bureaucratic fat cats. kevin rudd is flying around the world like a playboy on taxpayer's money. we've got boat people in 5 star accommodation. it's a complete shambles. you're a failure

[patrickwright1]

So while I agree that the issues you mention are more important than the carbon tax, I also realise that Australia is capable of addressing both issues. The reality is that both issues are radically different- Australian governments I'm sure would legislate tomorrow a law if it could solve even a minority of the multiplicity and complexity of issues around homelessness and poverty.

[patrickwright1]

However, when more countries introduce carbon pricing, companies in those countries will be taxed for purchasing from high emitting Australian companies. Therefore, to ensure the companies adopt cleaner practices, the subsidy will reduce 1 percent each year, creating an incentive for consumers to purchase from greener companies, however, this reduction is totally dependent on the international adoption of carbon taxes.

[Soundgarden8497]

@patrickwright1 haha, do you really think developing countries are going to burden themselves with a carbon tax when they've been striving all this time to become rich? are you that stupid? countries are competing against each other for power and security, only a moronic traitorous government would implement a tax scheme which greatly disadvantages businesses within its own country. do you really think the world is going to cooperate fairly? you know nothing about life.

[patrickwright1]

Right now, developing countries are negotiating the risk of a carbon tax and the impact of climate change- and largely, they recognise the serious impact climate change will have on their countries. Their basic request however is that high emission countries make the first steps on climate change. This is reasonable- and it is also reasonable that developing countries will be willing to make changes to protect their food security and social order.

[Soundgarden8497]

@patrickwright1 "their basic request" because they want Australia to be disadvantaged for international trade. by the way, winter was no warmer this year, infact many places had record low temperatures. your stupidity is intolerable, fuck off already.

[patrickwright1]

But don't you think that the wealthiest countries with the people who pollute most should make the first steps? They are in a far greater position than poor countries whose people pollute only to provide for the basics. Again, you don't seem to understand that trade exposed industries, aka, the companies that you claim will be disadvantaged, are not being taxed. By the way, you can't determine the long term effects of climate change according to the weather in your suburb.

[Soundgarden8497]

@patrickwright1 fuck off.

[patrickwright1]

You do know that Ad hominem is a logical fallacy? Does this suggest your argument has self- depleted?

[Soundgarden8497]

@patrickwright1 quit pretending to be clever you fucking moron, everything has been covered, you're just a troll and you stand for disadvantaging Australia. you don't deserve to live in Australia, so once again... FUCK OFF. dont reply cunt, we're done.

[patrickwright1]

Not pretending to be clever, every argument you have produced has systematically, calming been debunked by facts. You have used personal attacks, or ad hominem, to make your point. One one particular assertion, the idea that Australia will be 'disadvantaged', has been debunked by the fact that, overwhelmingly, the tax doesn't apply to trade exposed businesses. You are not angry in frustration at being right, you are profoundly upset that your unfounded beliefs are being exposed as fairy tales.

[Soundgarden8497]

@patrickwright1 thought i told you to fuck off troll, you're a lost cause. talk as much shit as you like, the next election is going to be a wonderful reclamation of the country.

[patrickwright1]

Ha ha cool. Can't wait to find out how Abbott proposes to get rid of the carbon tax or NBN and make the same cuts as promised using scientifically unfounded technologies. You have lost your argument, so you turn desperately to personal insult and avoid the topic. Enjoy another two years under Labor- hope the fundamentalist mad monk is able to keep the public's attention on these two single issues- which together consume more or less all of his policies.

[Soundgarden8497]

@patrickwright1 keep telling yourself whatever you need to prevent yourself from committing suicide.

fuck off now, you're missing some of your abc brainwashing.

[patrickwright1]

@Soundgarden8497 OK. BTW, are you even in Australia?

[Soundgarden8497]

@patrickwright1 regardless of whether i am or not, you shouldn't be.

[patrickwright1]

Never knew you had the authority to decide who could or couldn't be in Australia. Didn't know having to agree with you was a condition of citizenship. If you were in Australia, you would have stated as such- why don't you stop dictating who should be an Australian and what it means to be an Australian or what Australian values are from your American armchair?

[Soundgarden8497]

@patrickwright1 only people with Australia's best interests at heart and loyalty to Australia should be living in Australia. you should move to some other country since u believe Australia should disadvantage its economy and security.

[patrickwright1]

I have Australia's best interests at heart, It's just I happen to disagree with you on what they are. Apparently your opinion is so superior and authoritative, any critic is branded as a traitor. Yet, excluding yourself, who gave you the authority to dictate what views are correct? Why should I be penalised for believing that Australia will not be disadvantaged? Only in communist or fascist states were people ostracised for having dissenting ideas. Dissent is the highest form of patriotism.

[Soundgarden8497]

@patrickwright1 because labor are destroying the Australian way of life. more money than ever before is going to other countries and not even to Australia. your language is typical of a first year arts student. you've read too many textbooks and understood nothing. what the fuck is patriotic about sending businesses across the whole country broke or overseas? you can construct your argument however u like, but the points you're arguing make you a cunt. fuck off leftie scum

[patrickwright1]

Just because you have a personal opinion on the Labor party and hold a personal view that it is 'destroying the Australian way of life', as an equal citizen, I have as just as much right to hold a contrary view to you, and not be branded as a traitor. You are nothing other than fascist in that you conclude that your view is the only valid view, yet rather than mount a coherent argument, you brand people with dissenting ideas with labels such as 'traitor' so as to ostracise them.

[Soundgarden8497]

@patrickwright1 you're still trolling bitch? the difference is i know that what you want for the country is going to fuck it. you're going over the same ground now. i'm sure bob brown will be asking you on a date soon, don't forget the lube.

[patrickwright1]

How can you possibly know objectively that you posses the single, right solution? What makes you so special, or who gave you the authority for you to say that opinions held by you are necessary right? I believe as strongly as you do that I am right. The majority of scientists and economists back the carbon tax. Yet you believe that we are all traitors because we hold a different view, and your supreme insight allows you to know that our policies are wrong. Who exactly do you think you are?

[patrickwright1]

And, try to avoid the homophobic insults- it makes it so patently obvious that you are either an adolescent or an adult stuck with an adolescent mind. I've always wondered though- what would somebody who is as homophobic as you, who is so readily patriotic and 'moral' when persecuting others, do if one of your children were gay? Would you express to that child the same morality and care you show to other gay people? Or are you to obsessed with patriotism etc to care about those around you?

[Soundgarden8497]

@patrickwright1 i will never take advice from an extreme leftist muppet.

patently obvious? that's a good one, kid ;)

[patrickwright1]

Yes, it is patently obvious. By the way, I wasn't offering any advice, though I would now advise you to double check what 'extreme leftist' actually means- you displayed very clearly that you don't even remotely know what a 'communist' is. I was asking a question- how would you reconcile your homophobia if one of your children were gay? What's peculiar is that you are providing advice from an armchair in America or you wanted to pretend you were American rather than Australian. Hypocrite no?

[Soundgarden8497]

@patrickwright1 you obviously don't know what fuck off means either. i've heard enough from you dickhead.

[patrickwright1]

Do know, don't care. :) Obviously you take what you say seriously, but to most intelligent people its hilarious self satire. Making you rage and get worked up over any reason or rational statement presented to you is significantly epic unintentional trolling.

[Soundgarden8497]

@patrickwright1 i'm not raged, i just think you're a fuckwit and i don't want to hear anymore from you, it's quite simple really. what dont u understand about that cunt?

[patrickwright1]

At least I know what words actually mean, sweetie. You are female, aren't you?

[Soundgarden8497]

@patrickwright1 i don't believe that's your excuse for being a faggot... gender confusion. you know you're gay just admit it.

[patrickwright1]

@Soundgarden8497 Oh I am gay, but that's beside the point. The same username just happens to be listed as female on another site. By the way, do you say nigger as much as faggot, or is there a difference between the words?

[Soundgarden8497]

@patrickwright1 do u get off over this? faggot

[Soundgarden8497]

@patrickwright1 basically you're suggesting that we should piss on a bonfire until the fire brigade come. It's completely pointless for Australia to stop polluting when countries like China, India and Brazil are going berserk expanding and polluting at exponential rates. your argument is pathetic and quite frankly you're treasonous.

[patrickwright1]

People who stifle free speech by bandying about the term 'treasonous' exhibit in their own behavior the very meaning of the word they don't actually understand. Yes, I am entitled to express an opinion that disagrees with yous and expect not to be branded as any less Australian or be accused of being less concerned about the countries interest than you. Once again, these countries have the most at stake from climate change- they only want the wealthiest and most polluting people to go first.

[MsCivilwar]

God Will Anderson is a tool. No wonder he can’t make it on the commercial channels.

[8ellybelly8]

haha wil loved this jingle.

but then again, how could you not?

[sultrypoultryness]

I sing this in class to annoy people :D

[CovertConverse007]

@sultrypoultryness

Same here.... Especially in S&E

"You are the voice of Australia..."

[dwoodcobusa]

Best political add ever