I think they are planting 'sick' seeds in people's minds. Placebos have helped alot of people also. And, those med companies like most doctors HATE 'Healers' that heal most of their customers for little to nothing and take their customers away from them. Commercials are exactly like Black Magic. Parma meds used to be safe, but no more. It can kill people faster than they would if they didn't take them.
Oh dear. What the presenters seem to have done here is just read an article in the Guardian and assumed it was true. Hint: don't believe everything you read in the papers.
Read the original (can't seem to post the link, but just google "How drug companies' PR tactics skew the presentation of medical research"), and have a look at the comments, where a number of people who actually know what they're talking about point out the many ways in which the article is just plain inaccurate.
There are no payments made to physicians for authorship of primary data in medical journals. Young Turks have this plain wrong here. Also, the papers are NOT ghostwritten – the professional writers who help are acknowledged. Politicians ARE talking about this too. Really, you have to check your facts before you start waving your arms about like this. AND, Vioxx was YEARS ago; there has been plenty of regulation put in place since then. Hint: read the comments on the Guardian article!!!!
Know how many billions of dollars a year R spent on medical research that advances 'yet more research' while failing 2 garner adequate cures? This from tha nation that spends more on health care than any other. Call it tha government/academic/medical/industrial complex scam. Know how many billions of dollars in royalty payments R generated by bureaucrats complicit in fabricating positive drug trials that eventually get patented & wind up on tha u.s. market? Public Health Service??? Think again.
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Seriously TYT, you need to hire someone who knows something about audio. I can't hear Mike, and Ana's mic keeps distorting. Not to mention that friggin ads blow away my speakers whenever they come on because I had to turn my speakers all the way up to hear your show.
Leave my corrupt medical journals with their misleading information, biased viewpoints & political lobbying alone damnit. And oh yeah... down with Obamacare!
So the idea is that these guys are thinking they're doing something good for mankind "in the longterm" by making their clients money in the shortterm until someone spots the side effects of the drug and bans it...so I suppose that gets it banned and that's good in the long term...so they're just doing good in the end...I think I need a drink.
Again, the science peices by TYT are twisted around due to the lack of knowledge by the hosts. They don't understand how the drug approval process works.
@NevermoreJones That's like commenting on a video about GPS and asking me to "explain how time slows down in a strong gravitational field". 500 characters just won't cut it. Suffice to say, pharma companies aren't exactly keen on 100,000 law suits because they forgot to put one of the side effects on the bottle.
This is a relatively concise summary of the process. drugs.com/fda-approval-process.html
@G0lfYankee These have had impact on the drug approval process. Something that shouldn't have made it past say phase 1 would already have impact on hundreds of people in the phase 2 process. People that otherwise would have gotten standard tx.
Secondarily, there has been times where drug companies actively used the money to suppress journal articles that are bad for their drugs, ones that are showing off an important side effect that they don't want people to know about. The problem's real.
@kennyc002 There are tiers of medical journals, some more respectable/credible than others. Also, the hosts are talking about the opinion/review pieces, NOT the peer-reviewed research papers. ALSO, the drug trials have literally nothing to do with it. This is post efficacy (phase III) marketing. It costs almost $1billion to bring a drug to market, if it didn't work or had 'secret' side effects, it would be a financial DISASTER for the drug company. The hosts are stumbling in the dark.
@G0lfYankee It's because it costs $1billion that they would WANT to push drugs out even if they aren't good. Considering the costs and time required for the process to happen, it's to the drug company's advantage to sell and recoup as much of the money they would have lost in the process than to just cut it off well into phase 3 when they've already spent millions. That's a definite problem in it that there is a conflict of interest. Note that I'm not defending the hosts either.
We already have laws on the books to handle this kind of thing. All we need to do is remove the BS protections we give people for crimes committed while acting within a corporation, and they can be charged with thousands of counts of anything from manslaughter to 1st degree murder depending on the situation and jurisdiction. Just remove a couple of corrupt protections of corporate actions and many problems like this could be solved with no additional regulation.
@JoelCornah Its not like any useful drug will ever come out of the US anyway... They are too focused on finding something that ''relieve'', but most importantly DOES NOT CURE, erectile dysfunction and hair loss.
Vioxx killed 56,000 people and caused injury to 140,000 in just 5-years!!!!
The Senate Finance Committee was warned that FDA regulators are "virtually incapable of protecting America" from unsafe drugs.
Dr. David Graham (FDA Inspector for 20 years) said, "We are faced with what may be the single greatest drug safety catastrophe in the history of this country or the history of the world."
This is what happens when you have people re-reporting sensationalistic journalism, when nobody understands anything they are talking about and everyone is latching onto some "conspiracy" idea because hey, it sounds plausible!
Oh no! Look out everyone, "Big Pharma" is coming to get you!!!!!!1
...Do some research on this topic instead of taking everything you hear or read as the honest truth because it sounds reasonable. And always check your sources. Bias is rampant in journalism these days.
... This is exactly why I started watching TYT in the first place. They were one of the most honest and unbiased news programs available. However, I have to say since Cenk started doing pieces for MSNBC they have slowly but steadily begun to tread down the path of becoming either dishonest or at least being willfully ignorant when repeating stories from "Liberal" sources.
If we start doing that, then we are no better than the idiots who eat up FOX without a second thought. Have some dignity.
I thought we already knew that the drug companies were doing stuff like this. This isn't new news. Governments don't give a shit because they make money out of all this corruption in the drug industry.
@busboysanalogy In a perfect world, yes. But a new doctor who has just started practicing might feel overwhelmed and want to help a patient that's come in to see them and go check out the samples that pharma has given them without knowing much about the drug. Sadly I've had this happen to me. A doctor sit with me and scroll through a list of samples she had for migraine and read about how they work to see what might be best. She didn't already KNOW what might be best.
Who's talking about it? I've been sadly hearing this for years and years. Usually by people who everyone else laughs at, but even by many respected doctors. Natural News talks about this all the time and has for years, as well as many many other sources. There are documentaries as well.
THIS is proof that "free market" capitalism can't work. Yes, yes, I know that our politicians are corrupt and blah, blah, but we can elect new people in there. We have the power to change that system. What power do we have, outside of government intervention, to stop this kind of bullshit? There isn't really any other way beyond all of us becoming an expert on all things... and omniscience isn't a human trait.
While this is unethical, there is still the peer-review mechanism that stops most outrageously biased papers. I get a strange impression that the TYT crew doesn't really understand the science publishing mechanisms
There is nothing new in this practice but dates back at least a decade if not more. Drug companies do their own research, and they do get published in journals. Usually it is stated in the article that the research was done or funded by the drug company. If the medical profession doesn't get independent testing of these claims & their are problems with the drug, it is their fault, not of the company who did them. These agencies do not thwart independent studies which should occur anyways
As I understand the article they don't skew the science but merely make it seem more important by having the names of important researchers on the paper. As long as they don't screw with the science and facts I really don't have a problem with this. This to me is the same as celebrities lending their name to a product. I doubt that doctors really are dumb enough to not look at the paper but merely at the ones who wrote.
doctors are not scientists but practitioners. they put into practice information they got from someone else. so yes, doctors can get duped and are duped routinely.
The peer-review publication needs to be reformed. The peer-review process is not the issue. It's the publishers and their insatiable greed, which leads to their marginal ethics.
@nilbud Stop bragging with your universal healthcare, population that actually pays attention when someone tries to fuck them, and truly progressive tax rates.
why would doctors be relying on magazines to determine which new medictions to use? aren't they trained to know how to read things chemically? can't they inform themseives simply by looking at the product? the whole medical system is out of whack because it is motivated by dollars versus interest
@cruiscinlan Journals, idiot, not "magazines". Doctors can't just "know" from only "looking" at the chemical structure what treatments work and how well and what the side effects etc. are, they have to do scientific tests. The point is there may be a corrupting process on what "findings" get published in what are supposed to be peer-reviewed scientific journals.
@cruiscinlan Medical journals are not "magazines." They're publications of studies that show clinical trials of treatments and the results of these studies. Ideally, the standard of studies should be determined by a body of experts, and with VERY strict quality control requirements.
You can't learn exactly how a drug is going to affect the body until you actually test it on the body. So when doctors want to get information about a product, they turn to journals.
cont'd - And that's why we need to try as hard as possible to keep medical journals unadulterated by corporate sway. They need to be places where science can prevail, not corporate profit. Corporate green can corrupt the process of science, and the process of science involves trying to remove as many biases on the part of the researchers as possible.
... that the medication will work for that disease or symptom. LASTLY, it is incumbent upon anyone to disclose their ties to companies so that we may be aware of any possible bias. PLEASE! I implore the entire Young Turks team to seek out a MEDICAL CONSULT before you make these statements without any insight again. Its very annoying to see you guys cover a topic and not address the issues that I have brought up. Thank you.
Further, it does not matter who wrote the article as long as the information is valid. You determine if the information is valid or statistically acceptable from reading the "Results" section and the "Methods" section. If you are not comfortable with the information provided in said sections then you don't have to prescribe the medication or follow that guideline. ALSO, doctors will often times prescribe things off label. That means there is little or no conclusive evidence that says that...
YOU NEED A MEDICAL CONSULT! In all hospitals residency programs have something called "Journal Club" where all the interns, residents, and attending physicians get together to discuss different articles. Beyond that that these are peer reviewed articles! You mention side effects and concerns about new medications but don't you realize that there are multiple phases of trials? Articles tell us what the indications are and what the side effects are.
Cenk's stand in is quite underwhelming with his commentary."I..... think.... this.... is.... bad... for.... medicine...". He needs to get a personality of he continues. I'm not saying he needs to be Cenk but just bump it up a couple notches.
The pharmaceutical industry is the biggest problem facing, at least, American health care.
They have the most control over costs and overhead, they do the most marketing, and, being incharge of R&D, essentially, over what we actually GET cured.
If the pharma industry stopped trying to sell you drugs directly through commercials, can you imagine the savings? All of that cost gets put into their pills, which raises the cost of insurance, raising you doctor's malpractice insurance, etc.
I remember when I dated a pharmacist, she was able to go to dinners sponsored by drug companies that counted toward her continuing education requirement for her license. The profit motive should have no part of our medical care.
Ah wtf, I can speak from my perspective as a European social democrat, this problem is easily solved with strict regulations on mega-corps producing poison for the people as well as public distribution of medical products.
Otherwise, obviously, the producers and distributors will be collaborating, cartelling and adverting their poison medicals as the best.
The government trying to step in and stop corruption is the pot calling the kettle black. Also, the article doesn't say that the journals were paid thousands of dollars, but thousands of pounds. Because this happened in the UK, and the journal's in question are British.
And we have federal, state, county and city law enforcement going after medical marijuana and regular marijuana users, growers and dealers, and shit like this is ignored. What a country.
Profiting off of people's illness is the sickest (no pun intended) thing I have ever heard of. There is no excuse and anyone who defends is not human.
Easy, ban these corporate-owned corruption agencies.
Here in the EU there should be a union-wide register for new corporate-made drugs to compare and see how they work out so these filthy mega-corps won't pervert the reality of their posionous products in their favour for profits.
My pal Ralph makes high-end stereo gear. If he advertises in stereo magazines, he gets good reviews. When he doesn't advertise, he either gets lame / shitty reviews, or none at all. That's how the business works.
@THEOWNEROFNOTHING345 You know nothing about history. Without regulations we'd still have child labour, DDT poisoning us, nuclear plants melting down every other month, oil derriks leaking into the oceans, factories pumping sulfer dioxide into the atmosphere, cars burning leaded gas, 7-day 12-hour/day workweeks. to say that there should be no regulations at all and that the market should be 100% free is the utmost in foolishness.
The problem with pharmas is that they sell a product for mass consumption by the public that is wholly made of materials and processes that are completely alien to the public. Food, most people know how its made. Electronics? You have at least an idea of how it works. Drugs? You're clueless. The science behind it, how it works, how it's made. That's why you can't have a free unregulated pharma market, because (99.999...% of) people could never-ever make a truly informed decision.
Ana I hope you continue to follow up on this problem. Not only is it a health problem, but also a financial problem. I have been in the drug industry for more than 30 years and it has been going on longer than that.
peer-reviewed journals are extremely stringent and the scientific community is brutal when critiquing each other, so if there is a journal that is putting this information out, i can assure u that its probably not a vary reputable journal
also its not that easy to publish an article on a peer reviewed journal, there are a few people in that specific field that read your article before it can be published.
@terabrat usually when it is absolutely positively have to, then it means that whatever you had wasn't treated on time. Besides, playing internet doc isn''t the best way to go about meds. As you never read about how positive the effect are only the negative consequences.
Complete loss of ethics for pure corporate greed. Any author that FRONTS for the drug companies should be subject to loss of any/all professional licenses.
Ana didn't quite hit the point on this. It's not that the medications are "highly dangerous," and doctors don't go on blind faith. The problem is that certain medications get promoted, which may be more expensive, less effective, have more side effects etc. than other remedies. The bigger problem is that complementary and alternative solutions get discredited, while less pressure gets placed on big pharma.
This has been going on for decades, besides pushing drugs they also make sure that natural remedies, orthomolecular medicine, and vitamins are not mentioned or only in a derogatory manner.
They also target mainstream journalists. Two years ago an English journalist admitted that the was pushed and paid for writing an article which said taking vitamin supplements will lead to early death.
@AafkeArt orthomolecular medicine? that is because they are never scientifically proven to be effective... hell what is the point in taking vitamins when it has no effect on most deceases. The only vitamin i can recall that is added to medicine is some hiv medication, because of vitamin D loss. but that is measured everytime a bloodsample is taken
this has been happening sinve pharmaceuticals were first made...fucking doctor robotniks snake oil, cures all...people are just guinea pigs for big pharma, its sickening
Well allow big pharma to run rampant in this country, hell in most of Europe they do not even allow advertisements of drugs. Here in the US I can't watch one show on television without an add for some drug every 5 minutes.
This is sooooo wrong on soooo many levels ........ Who can you trust if you can't trust your doctor ....... Because he is working on corrupt information ......... Something has to be done about corruption full stop.
Any author that puts their name on a paper that is questionable in such a manner seems like it opens up the possibility for the legitimacy of other papers that they have published to be questioned, and I wonder why any of them would want to open themselves up to academic embarrassment in this way.
Is the money in the short term really worth ruining their reputation, and lead to potential dismissal of the accuracy their other works, regardless of the actual accuracy of those other works?
It really depends on what they submit to be published. If it's a research paper, obviously they're going to be from the pharma company, but there should be peer review on those papers and many meta analysis about it. Doctors pretty much never prescribe drugs unless the data has been peer reviewed and the results need to be replicated several times by many different labs.
God, I love how things can be so hyped up. Any drugs available to the market through pharmaceutical companies have gone through years and years of Development, including independent testing.
People can not seriously fall for media hype and buy into this whole 'big pharma is evil' bullshit.
@MultiUniv3rsal I hope you realize how bullshit the FDA is. The research takes a long time because pharma actually want to make effective drugs. They do spend tons of money to do legitimate research and even send out their research to independent parties to replicate results and complete an analysis on the conclusion (many universities provide these services to make money). When it appears in a journal, all that's missing is actual human real world testing (where doctors come in).
@MultiUniv3rsal i'm saying that the FDA needs more regulation. I'm not one of those idiots who think that if something is not optimally effective, it needs to be shut down. I'm suggesting that the FDA could be improved.
@rbrtchng did you forget that the FDA provides regulates how to conduct clinical trials, Guidance for Industry, warning Letters, postmarket surveillance programs. If these things aren't in place then companies can test drugs in any way they like and just find set up sister companies that complies to their findings. So there goes drug safety for ya. and You get a China Milk problem but then with drugs.
@robinvan1983 Hm...yea because big pharma couldn't possibly penetrate the fortress of morality the FDA has with large sums of money...that's poppycock.
@PyroHaven07 Not just big pharma, every pharma. cause they also have a profit interest and you don't meds that are polluted or whatever that give more side effects than necessary. If a company doesn't have to refine their medicine(cost benefit) and it adds only some more side effects, no one will check it. especially if the side effect aren''t mentioned. Hell it is a start of a second Homoeopathy med circuit.
Here's an idea: only get a drug if it's recommended by the doctor that you're visiting (you know, the professionals who have personally diagnosed you).
@motombocolombo That's why people have to come into the doctor's office educated and with a legitimate reason to get a drug after having exhausted all other options (for example: when getting a diet pill, one should go into that scenario having naturally dieted and exercised firstly to solve the problem). I do agree that pretty much anywhere you look there's going to be corruption here and there, and the ultimate answer to that is stricter regulation.
great video.
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EducateURselfUK 8 months ago
My pa was a nurse and eventually ran three hospital's night shifts... He has said the standard in hospitals has sunken so low.
oodlesofosz 8 months ago
I think they are planting 'sick' seeds in people's minds. Placebos have helped alot of people also. And, those med companies like most doctors HATE 'Healers' that heal most of their customers for little to nothing and take their customers away from them. Commercials are exactly like Black Magic. Parma meds used to be safe, but no more. It can kill people faster than they would if they didn't take them.
Licmycat 9 months ago
Oh dear. What the presenters seem to have done here is just read an article in the Guardian and assumed it was true. Hint: don't believe everything you read in the papers.
Read the original (can't seem to post the link, but just google "How drug companies' PR tactics skew the presentation of medical research"), and have a look at the comments, where a number of people who actually know what they're talking about point out the many ways in which the article is just plain inaccurate.
adam328119 9 months ago
There are no payments made to physicians for authorship of primary data in medical journals. Young Turks have this plain wrong here. Also, the papers are NOT ghostwritten – the professional writers who help are acknowledged. Politicians ARE talking about this too. Really, you have to check your facts before you start waving your arms about like this. AND, Vioxx was YEARS ago; there has been plenty of regulation put in place since then. Hint: read the comments on the Guardian article!!!!
doctornige1 9 months ago
I hate Ana's stupid fluffy sleeved shirts-it's hard to take fluffy sleeves serious! :P
lorena509 9 months ago
The biggest drug pushers are not on the street corners.
thegibbshow 9 months ago
An excellent story that highlights some disturbing problems with the relationship between Big Pharma & medical journals.
But please Michael, speak up!
AdiRudi 9 months ago
Speak up guy, we can't hear you!
southrules 9 months ago
you cant trust anything medical anymore :(
SneakyxLlama 9 months ago
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aznscyth 9 months ago
Know how many billions of dollars a year R spent on medical research that advances 'yet more research' while failing 2 garner adequate cures? This from tha nation that spends more on health care than any other. Call it tha government/academic/medical/industrial complex scam. Know how many billions of dollars in royalty payments R generated by bureaucrats complicit in fabricating positive drug trials that eventually get patented & wind up on tha u.s. market? Public Health Service??? Think again.
MRrhythmsNflows 9 months ago
I think Ana thinks this is beyond criminal...
Da85vid96 9 months ago
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Shnimberz 9 months ago
Seriously TYT, you need to hire someone who knows something about audio. I can't hear Mike, and Ana's mic keeps distorting. Not to mention that friggin ads blow away my speakers whenever they come on because I had to turn my speakers all the way up to hear your show.
bcoons80 9 months ago
Leave my corrupt medical journals with their misleading information, biased viewpoints & political lobbying alone damnit. And oh yeah... down with Obamacare!
MRrhythmsNflows 9 months ago
So the idea is that these guys are thinking they're doing something good for mankind "in the longterm" by making their clients money in the shortterm until someone spots the side effects of the drug and bans it...so I suppose that gets it banned and that's good in the long term...so they're just doing good in the end...I think I need a drink.
carminethewolf 9 months ago
And in high-school they told me plagiarism was wrong...
wps113 9 months ago
Again, the science peices by TYT are twisted around due to the lack of knowledge by the hosts. They don't understand how the drug approval process works.
G0lfYankee 9 months ago
@G0lfYankee Explain to us how the "drug approval process" works.
NevermoreJones 9 months ago
@NevermoreJones That's like commenting on a video about GPS and asking me to "explain how time slows down in a strong gravitational field". 500 characters just won't cut it. Suffice to say, pharma companies aren't exactly keen on 100,000 law suits because they forgot to put one of the side effects on the bottle.
This is a relatively concise summary of the process. drugs.com/fda-approval-process.html
G0lfYankee 9 months ago
@G0lfYankee These have had impact on the drug approval process. Something that shouldn't have made it past say phase 1 would already have impact on hundreds of people in the phase 2 process. People that otherwise would have gotten standard tx.
Secondarily, there has been times where drug companies actively used the money to suppress journal articles that are bad for their drugs, ones that are showing off an important side effect that they don't want people to know about. The problem's real.
kennyc002 9 months ago
@kennyc002 There are tiers of medical journals, some more respectable/credible than others. Also, the hosts are talking about the opinion/review pieces, NOT the peer-reviewed research papers. ALSO, the drug trials have literally nothing to do with it. This is post efficacy (phase III) marketing. It costs almost $1billion to bring a drug to market, if it didn't work or had 'secret' side effects, it would be a financial DISASTER for the drug company. The hosts are stumbling in the dark.
G0lfYankee 9 months ago
@G0lfYankee It's because it costs $1billion that they would WANT to push drugs out even if they aren't good. Considering the costs and time required for the process to happen, it's to the drug company's advantage to sell and recoup as much of the money they would have lost in the process than to just cut it off well into phase 3 when they've already spent millions. That's a definite problem in it that there is a conflict of interest. Note that I'm not defending the hosts either.
kennyc002 9 months ago
Is this guy related to Joe Franklin??? SchwangWangWaang...BRING CENK BAACK!
dukenthaylor 9 months ago
just when i thought medicare was going to be fucked over
This comes up when i start to feeling meds are starting to be hyped.
t3rr411 9 months ago
the new guy is as boring as wet paper
surethang27 9 months ago
More Propoganda..
20000914 9 months ago
We already have laws on the books to handle this kind of thing. All we need to do is remove the BS protections we give people for crimes committed while acting within a corporation, and they can be charged with thousands of counts of anything from manslaughter to 1st degree murder depending on the situation and jurisdiction. Just remove a couple of corrupt protections of corporate actions and many problems like this could be solved with no additional regulation.
kenkaku111 9 months ago 5
@kenkaku111
If corporations have the rights of a person, they should also be charged like a person.
But that is obviously a socialist, communist, Stalinist position to take, right?
But your post + 100.
mecher3k 9 months ago
that's nothing new.... good ol pharma-mafia / dealers
dAda313 9 months ago
How do these idiot libertarians hope to win the information war against these corporate monsters?
j0hnwi11iams 9 months ago
Lobbyists DO write bills.
j0hnwi11iams 9 months ago
This is why capitalism shouldn't be allowed anywhere near healthcare or science. :(
JoelCornah 9 months ago 56
@JoelCornah Its not like any useful drug will ever come out of the US anyway... They are too focused on finding something that ''relieve'', but most importantly DOES NOT CURE, erectile dysfunction and hair loss.
tommysch 9 months ago
This is a "no government" libertarian's wet dream.
TheNavigateur 9 months ago
Vioxx killed 56,000 people and caused injury to 140,000 in just 5-years!!!!
The Senate Finance Committee was warned that FDA regulators are "virtually incapable of protecting America" from unsafe drugs.
Dr. David Graham (FDA Inspector for 20 years) said, "We are faced with what may be the single greatest drug safety catastrophe in the history of this country or the history of the world."
RBLA818 9 months ago
This is what happens when you have people re-reporting sensationalistic journalism, when nobody understands anything they are talking about and everyone is latching onto some "conspiracy" idea because hey, it sounds plausible!
Oh no! Look out everyone, "Big Pharma" is coming to get you!!!!!!1
...Do some research on this topic instead of taking everything you hear or read as the honest truth because it sounds reasonable. And always check your sources. Bias is rampant in journalism these days.
IanBillings00 9 months ago
... This is exactly why I started watching TYT in the first place. They were one of the most honest and unbiased news programs available. However, I have to say since Cenk started doing pieces for MSNBC they have slowly but steadily begun to tread down the path of becoming either dishonest or at least being willfully ignorant when repeating stories from "Liberal" sources.
If we start doing that, then we are no better than the idiots who eat up FOX without a second thought. Have some dignity.
IanBillings00 9 months ago
@IanBillings00 What's the point of pasting this on every video? Doesn't help your message, just looks like spam.
xyzoneon 9 months ago
@IanBillings00 Cenk has been quoting Liberal sources forever, what the hell are you talking about?
RBLA818 9 months ago
@IanBillings00 So you just discount this allegation without any foundation or details? Yeah, that's nice.
xyzoneon 9 months ago
@IanBillings00 You're just a Paid Pharma whore.
RBLA818 9 months ago
I thought we already knew that the drug companies were doing stuff like this. This isn't new news. Governments don't give a shit because they make money out of all this corruption in the drug industry.
ogrish84 9 months ago
When you allow them to profit more than 1000 times their cost, of course this kind of stuff will occur.
mathers3000 9 months ago
WTF? How much injustice is in this world? how much more of shit are we all suppose to ingest?!!!??
bbphnix 9 months ago 30
@bbphnix watch the wire it will give you a idea how screwed the west is
Chriseycarlyeah324 9 months ago
And this is better then a public healthcare system because?
Richardisdorky 9 months ago
@busboysanalogy In a perfect world, yes. But a new doctor who has just started practicing might feel overwhelmed and want to help a patient that's come in to see them and go check out the samples that pharma has given them without knowing much about the drug. Sadly I've had this happen to me. A doctor sit with me and scroll through a list of samples she had for migraine and read about how they work to see what might be best. She didn't already KNOW what might be best.
intotheinfinite 9 months ago
"Other than that who's talking about it?"
Who's talking about it? I've been sadly hearing this for years and years. Usually by people who everyone else laughs at, but even by many respected doctors. Natural News talks about this all the time and has for years, as well as many many other sources. There are documentaries as well.
intotheinfinite 9 months ago
@intotheinfinite but it's true that no politicians are.
intotheinfinite 9 months ago
THIS is proof that "free market" capitalism can't work. Yes, yes, I know that our politicians are corrupt and blah, blah, but we can elect new people in there. We have the power to change that system. What power do we have, outside of government intervention, to stop this kind of bullshit? There isn't really any other way beyond all of us becoming an expert on all things... and omniscience isn't a human trait.
DisturbedHavok 9 months ago
Button up your shirt, dickweed.
Krifko 9 months ago
The right gets to break the law and murder people with leathal narcotics. The right are traitors.
pistolpete1st 9 months ago
While this is unethical, there is still the peer-review mechanism that stops most outrageously biased papers. I get a strange impression that the TYT crew doesn't really understand the science publishing mechanisms
Qba86 9 months ago
So, Politics, Religions, Corporations and now Science is being corrupted. SON OF A BITCH!!!!
xXRazorSharp101Xx 9 months ago
There is nothing new in this practice but dates back at least a decade if not more. Drug companies do their own research, and they do get published in journals. Usually it is stated in the article that the research was done or funded by the drug company. If the medical profession doesn't get independent testing of these claims & their are problems with the drug, it is their fault, not of the company who did them. These agencies do not thwart independent studies which should occur anyways
ChristianMission 9 months ago
As I understand the article they don't skew the science but merely make it seem more important by having the names of important researchers on the paper. As long as they don't screw with the science and facts I really don't have a problem with this. This to me is the same as celebrities lending their name to a product. I doubt that doctors really are dumb enough to not look at the paper but merely at the ones who wrote.
overlord11111 9 months ago
i like shure the most out of the fill ins for cenk
kkochhar195 9 months ago
Self-regulated capitalism is dangerous, people better wake up.
MostCommonName1 9 months ago 3
Somebody raise this guys mic a few decibels
briperez 9 months ago
@briperez I can't hear a fucking thing every time I'm on my laptop.
SocialDissimulation 9 months ago
BTW - Still - TYT brought to you by retarded loud commercials. You have no choice!
hevyAccel 9 months ago
Ana FTW! She didn't read an article straight from HuffPo!
YAY for dingbat Ana!
hevyAccel 9 months ago
doctors are not scientists but practitioners. they put into practice information they got from someone else. so yes, doctors can get duped and are duped routinely.
Pelonetillo 9 months ago
Alex Jones talks about it.
jaba987 9 months ago
The peer-review publication needs to be reformed. The peer-review process is not the issue. It's the publishers and their insatiable greed, which leads to their marginal ethics.
CSHallo 9 months ago
Thumbs up if TYT should switch to wide screen!
dagrynch 9 months ago
It's illegal in the EU.
nilbud 9 months ago 8
@nilbud Stop bragging with your universal healthcare, population that actually pays attention when someone tries to fuck them, and truly progressive tax rates.
ILikeTheThingsIDo 9 months ago
the host of your show can mumble the whole time. im a mumbler, but im not making videos. get it right turks.
jsmith2144 9 months ago
Michael Sure's comments make me think he's unaware of how often lobbyists write legislation...
odysseus9672 9 months ago
why would doctors be relying on magazines to determine which new medictions to use? aren't they trained to know how to read things chemically? can't they inform themseives simply by looking at the product? the whole medical system is out of whack because it is motivated by dollars versus interest
cruiscinlan 9 months ago
@cruiscinlan Journals, idiot, not "magazines". Doctors can't just "know" from only "looking" at the chemical structure what treatments work and how well and what the side effects etc. are, they have to do scientific tests. The point is there may be a corrupting process on what "findings" get published in what are supposed to be peer-reviewed scientific journals.
genrlcvr 9 months ago
@cruiscinlan Medical journals are not "magazines." They're publications of studies that show clinical trials of treatments and the results of these studies. Ideally, the standard of studies should be determined by a body of experts, and with VERY strict quality control requirements.
You can't learn exactly how a drug is going to affect the body until you actually test it on the body. So when doctors want to get information about a product, they turn to journals.
AdIgnorantiam 9 months ago 2
cont'd - And that's why we need to try as hard as possible to keep medical journals unadulterated by corporate sway. They need to be places where science can prevail, not corporate profit. Corporate green can corrupt the process of science, and the process of science involves trying to remove as many biases on the part of the researchers as possible.
AdIgnorantiam 9 months ago
The United Fascist States of America
Separate Money Politics Please!
Everybody Is On The Take.
benympls 9 months ago
Ummm the FDA regulates and monitors all prescription medications for safety.
biologyprodigy 9 months ago
@biologyprodigy "FDA Approved deadly drugs" 7,800,000 Results - You may want to look up what 'Prodigy' means.
MeltingPointYT 9 months ago
@MeltingPointYT we all suffer. we all suffer.
chiaromontestephen 9 months ago
@MeltingPointYT I guess your name must be shit head then.
biologyprodigy 9 months ago
@busboysanalogy
+1
MrMetallicious 9 months ago
... that the medication will work for that disease or symptom. LASTLY, it is incumbent upon anyone to disclose their ties to companies so that we may be aware of any possible bias. PLEASE! I implore the entire Young Turks team to seek out a MEDICAL CONSULT before you make these statements without any insight again. Its very annoying to see you guys cover a topic and not address the issues that I have brought up. Thank you.
gravelstone8 9 months ago
Further, it does not matter who wrote the article as long as the information is valid. You determine if the information is valid or statistically acceptable from reading the "Results" section and the "Methods" section. If you are not comfortable with the information provided in said sections then you don't have to prescribe the medication or follow that guideline. ALSO, doctors will often times prescribe things off label. That means there is little or no conclusive evidence that says that...
gravelstone8 9 months ago
YOU NEED A MEDICAL CONSULT! In all hospitals residency programs have something called "Journal Club" where all the interns, residents, and attending physicians get together to discuss different articles. Beyond that that these are peer reviewed articles! You mention side effects and concerns about new medications but don't you realize that there are multiple phases of trials? Articles tell us what the indications are and what the side effects are.
gravelstone8 9 months ago
Cenk's stand in is quite underwhelming with his commentary."I..... think.... this.... is.... bad... for.... medicine...". He needs to get a personality of he continues. I'm not saying he needs to be Cenk but just bump it up a couple notches.
82586hollowman 9 months ago
The pharmaceutical industry is the biggest problem facing, at least, American health care.
They have the most control over costs and overhead, they do the most marketing, and, being incharge of R&D, essentially, over what we actually GET cured.
If the pharma industry stopped trying to sell you drugs directly through commercials, can you imagine the savings? All of that cost gets put into their pills, which raises the cost of insurance, raising you doctor's malpractice insurance, etc.
dEdGrimley 9 months ago
I remember when I dated a pharmacist, she was able to go to dinners sponsored by drug companies that counted toward her continuing education requirement for her license. The profit motive should have no part of our medical care.
johnqpublic81 9 months ago
Ah wtf, I can speak from my perspective as a European social democrat, this problem is easily solved with strict regulations on mega-corps producing poison for the people as well as public distribution of medical products.
Otherwise, obviously, the producers and distributors will be collaborating, cartelling and adverting their poison medicals as the best.
underbjorn 9 months ago
The government trying to step in and stop corruption is the pot calling the kettle black. Also, the article doesn't say that the journals were paid thousands of dollars, but thousands of pounds. Because this happened in the UK, and the journal's in question are British.
interstate317 9 months ago
@interstate317 who has a kettle in this day and age? lol. jk.
hollaboutit 9 months ago
And we have federal, state, county and city law enforcement going after medical marijuana and regular marijuana users, growers and dealers, and shit like this is ignored. What a country.
TheUSMetalhead 9 months ago
...You're about 5 years too late, TYT (or however long TYT has been around). Way to stay ahead of the game, Cenk!
Drug companies have doing this sort of thing for DECADES. Publication Planning Agencies is just the newest tactic.
whoo689 9 months ago
Wasn't this Chuck Palahniuk's book Survivor?
unclesaluki 9 months ago
Profiting off of people's illness is the sickest (no pun intended) thing I have ever heard of. There is no excuse and anyone who defends is not human.
Krauserowns 9 months ago
we cant afford corruption in pharmaceuticals
keithbu 9 months ago
Easy, ban these corporate-owned corruption agencies.
Here in the EU there should be a union-wide register for new corporate-made drugs to compare and see how they work out so these filthy mega-corps won't pervert the reality of their posionous products in their favour for profits.
underbjorn 9 months ago
@underbjorn easy for you guys, money has one over here. it is king, no logic, however sound or sensical, will ever defeat it.
MjXllcommando 9 months ago
If it's "beyond criminal" does that means it's terrorist.
tdurran 9 months ago
america fuck yeah!
Deedovich 9 months ago
One of the (many) biggest disappointments from Obama is his collusion with big pharma.
judoyodan 9 months ago
@judoyodan This was exposed in Time Magizine in 2005... Seems to be pre Obama.
unclesaluki 9 months ago
My pal Ralph makes high-end stereo gear. If he advertises in stereo magazines, he gets good reviews. When he doesn't advertise, he either gets lame / shitty reviews, or none at all. That's how the business works.
Just like in medicine...
audadvnc 9 months ago
Move over Religion, capitalism is the new anti-science!
StevenBee2 9 months ago
9/11 was an inside job... stop believing in the institution
peoplz360 9 months ago
there should be NO requaltions. regualtions are the crown of evil sociliasm. regualtions are against free market capatiliasm. regualtions are EVIL!!!
THEOWNEROFNOTHING345 9 months ago
@THEOWNEROFNOTHING345 You know nothing about history. Without regulations we'd still have child labour, DDT poisoning us, nuclear plants melting down every other month, oil derriks leaking into the oceans, factories pumping sulfer dioxide into the atmosphere, cars burning leaded gas, 7-day 12-hour/day workweeks. to say that there should be no regulations at all and that the market should be 100% free is the utmost in foolishness.
StevenBee2 9 months ago
@THEOWNEROFNOTHING345 Yeah because free market capitalism has no flaws whatsoever. It's so perfect.
Herp derp.
Xirbtt 9 months ago
@THEOWNEROFNOTHING345 Moron.
bamboo4tameshigiri 9 months ago
The problem with pharmas is that they sell a product for mass consumption by the public that is wholly made of materials and processes that are completely alien to the public. Food, most people know how its made. Electronics? You have at least an idea of how it works. Drugs? You're clueless. The science behind it, how it works, how it's made. That's why you can't have a free unregulated pharma market, because (99.999...% of) people could never-ever make a truly informed decision.
godthisisannoying 9 months ago
Mike- speak up, anna is at least twice as loud as you !
ajgrovery91 9 months ago
re: Title. Yeah, duh. This isn't news to me.
bamboo4tameshigiri 9 months ago
Ana I hope you continue to follow up on this problem. Not only is it a health problem, but also a financial problem. I have been in the drug industry for more than 30 years and it has been going on longer than that.
cheddyrod 9 months ago
Absolutely great report and absolutely true.
cheddyrod 9 months ago
Jail Time!
TommyTurntables1 9 months ago
if a peer-reviewed journal can't be trusted... how can there be science?
darkcoeficient 9 months ago
peer-reviewed journals are extremely stringent and the scientific community is brutal when critiquing each other, so if there is a journal that is putting this information out, i can assure u that its probably not a vary reputable journal
magnito6699 9 months ago
also its not that easy to publish an article on a peer reviewed journal, there are a few people in that specific field that read your article before it can be published.
magnito6699 9 months ago
I wish I could be surprised by this.
robertrulebirtannia 9 months ago
These journals are peer reviewed by people in the medical profession... if drug companies want to do this they should create their own journal.
demigoddragoness 9 months ago
1. Never take ANY medication unless you absolutely positively HAVE to.
2. Always ask what your options are and what the side effects of the drug are. Then go online and research it yourself.
terabrat 9 months ago
@terabrat usually when it is absolutely positively have to, then it means that whatever you had wasn't treated on time. Besides, playing internet doc isn''t the best way to go about meds. As you never read about how positive the effect are only the negative consequences.
robinvan1983 9 months ago
Ban this.. put them in jail.. end of discussion
IncDeathCreed 9 months ago 35
@IncDeathCreed
END OF THIS.
TheAmericanCanadian 9 months ago
Sure am glad,
this doesn't happen with our political system.
bobbytiger 9 months ago
someone should do that for weed
TheDMD42396 9 months ago 3
this shit has always been known how corrupt drug companys are
alwayshardcore100 9 months ago
Complete loss of ethics for pure corporate greed. Any author that FRONTS for the drug companies should be subject to loss of any/all professional licenses.
kjdayton 9 months ago 15
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AafkeArt 9 months ago
Ana didn't quite hit the point on this. It's not that the medications are "highly dangerous," and doctors don't go on blind faith. The problem is that certain medications get promoted, which may be more expensive, less effective, have more side effects etc. than other remedies. The bigger problem is that complementary and alternative solutions get discredited, while less pressure gets placed on big pharma.
Tanfeliz 9 months ago
money! that's all it boils down to, people dont matter
rad4life1 9 months ago
This has been going on for decades, besides pushing drugs they also make sure that natural remedies, orthomolecular medicine, and vitamins are not mentioned or only in a derogatory manner.
They also target mainstream journalists. Two years ago an English journalist admitted that the was pushed and paid for writing an article which said taking vitamin supplements will lead to early death.
AafkeArt 9 months ago
@AafkeArt orthomolecular medicine? that is because they are never scientifically proven to be effective... hell what is the point in taking vitamins when it has no effect on most deceases. The only vitamin i can recall that is added to medicine is some hiv medication, because of vitamin D loss. but that is measured everytime a bloodsample is taken
robinvan1983 9 months ago
The boring dude needs to speak up...can't hear a fucking thing he's saying compared to Ana's voice. Better yet just get him out of there.
papatoony 9 months ago
money is satans faeces
TheProf1988 9 months ago
this has been happening sinve pharmaceuticals were first made...fucking doctor robotniks snake oil, cures all...people are just guinea pigs for big pharma, its sickening
zythepsarian 9 months ago
Hm...I feel like I saw this coming...it's crazy what a pessimistic view of Corporations and large companies can afford you.
PyroHaven07 9 months ago
Medical Journals are now sales brochures?
Nice!
TruthAndMoreTruth 9 months ago
Well allow big pharma to run rampant in this country, hell in most of Europe they do not even allow advertisements of drugs. Here in the US I can't watch one show on television without an add for some drug every 5 minutes.
Xenite227 9 months ago
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wulf8121 9 months ago
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wulf8121 9 months ago
Dennis Kucinich talks about this; he is the only Moral Congressman. He is the only one that is not bought off by any special interest.
DanielManahan 9 months ago
@DanielManahan He's bought off...you just don't know by who yet.
PyroHaven07 9 months ago
And this is why I use herbs whenever possible.
theallseeingoracle 9 months ago
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Greed. It's killing us.
VivaArsenal4 9 months ago
don't do drugs, smoke herb
supertito123 9 months ago
Mr. Burns looks at America....
"Release the hounds"
dagrimmreepa 9 months ago 15
This is sooooo wrong on soooo many levels ........ Who can you trust if you can't trust your doctor ....... Because he is working on corrupt information ......... Something has to be done about corruption full stop.
edgewayround 9 months ago
Doctors and the health industry don't want us healthy. We are moneybags that need a whack as often as possible.
computerjero 9 months ago
Doctors and the health industry don't want us healthy. We are moneybags that need a whack once in a while.
computerjero 9 months ago
Any author that puts their name on a paper that is questionable in such a manner seems like it opens up the possibility for the legitimacy of other papers that they have published to be questioned, and I wonder why any of them would want to open themselves up to academic embarrassment in this way.
Is the money in the short term really worth ruining their reputation, and lead to potential dismissal of the accuracy their other works, regardless of the actual accuracy of those other works?
EsHammer1001 9 months ago
@EsHammer1001 I guess they won't put their name _just anywhere_, they will probably estimate whether it's worth the risk.
595o 9 months ago
It really depends on what they submit to be published. If it's a research paper, obviously they're going to be from the pharma company, but there should be peer review on those papers and many meta analysis about it. Doctors pretty much never prescribe drugs unless the data has been peer reviewed and the results need to be replicated several times by many different labs.
rbrtchng 9 months ago
doctors prescribe something based on the magazine??? Holy shit, its worth than I thought about. I am surprised I am still alive
PR0H0LDEM 9 months ago
God, I love how things can be so hyped up. Any drugs available to the market through pharmaceutical companies have gone through years and years of Development, including independent testing.
People can not seriously fall for media hype and buy into this whole 'big pharma is evil' bullshit.
willsbanana 9 months ago
@willsbanana The only reason they test for so long is they have a watchdog agency, the FDA.
MultiUniv3rsal 9 months ago
@MultiUniv3rsal I hope you realize how bullshit the FDA is. The research takes a long time because pharma actually want to make effective drugs. They do spend tons of money to do legitimate research and even send out their research to independent parties to replicate results and complete an analysis on the conclusion (many universities provide these services to make money). When it appears in a journal, all that's missing is actual human real world testing (where doctors come in).
rbrtchng 9 months ago
@rbrtchng I agree with everything you said except the FDA being bullshit part. There can be more than precisely 1 reason that something happens.
Vioxx killed people. even with the FDA it got through the cracks. Are you really proposing that we'd be better off without that agency?
MultiUniv3rsal 9 months ago
@MultiUniv3rsal i'm saying that the FDA needs more regulation. I'm not one of those idiots who think that if something is not optimally effective, it needs to be shut down. I'm suggesting that the FDA could be improved.
rbrtchng 9 months ago
@rbrtchng Definitely
MultiUniv3rsal 9 months ago
@rbrtchng I guess I should have said 'one of the reasons' and not 'the only reason'.
That's on me.
MultiUniv3rsal 9 months ago
@rbrtchng did you forget that the FDA provides regulates how to conduct clinical trials, Guidance for Industry, warning Letters, postmarket surveillance programs. If these things aren't in place then companies can test drugs in any way they like and just find set up sister companies that complies to their findings. So there goes drug safety for ya. and You get a China Milk problem but then with drugs.
robinvan1983 9 months ago
@robinvan1983 Hm...yea because big pharma couldn't possibly penetrate the fortress of morality the FDA has with large sums of money...that's poppycock.
PyroHaven07 9 months ago
@PyroHaven07 Not just big pharma, every pharma. cause they also have a profit interest and you don't meds that are polluted or whatever that give more side effects than necessary. If a company doesn't have to refine their medicine(cost benefit) and it adds only some more side effects, no one will check it. especially if the side effect aren''t mentioned. Hell it is a start of a second Homoeopathy med circuit.
robinvan1983 9 months ago
Here's an idea: only get a drug if it's recommended by the doctor that you're visiting (you know, the professionals who have personally diagnosed you).
CalebAlucardtheHagan 9 months ago
@CalebAlucardtheHagan
many doctors are corrupt as well.
they get gifts,expensive trips to luxury hotels and stuff
for free by pharmaceutical agents for prescribing certain
drugs.
motombocolombo 9 months ago
@motombocolombo That's why people have to come into the doctor's office educated and with a legitimate reason to get a drug after having exhausted all other options (for example: when getting a diet pill, one should go into that scenario having naturally dieted and exercised firstly to solve the problem). I do agree that pretty much anywhere you look there's going to be corruption here and there, and the ultimate answer to that is stricter regulation.
CalebAlucardtheHagan 9 months ago