In frozen reality, the observations indicate a proliferation of illusion and the replication of spectacle. Subsequently, the sophistication of language and the unification of political ideology will create the template for alleged validity. The abortion of truth occurred long ago as the result of hegemony over spontaneity. The dominant life form would imagine life as a continuous progression. In total, life as it is known is defined within a certain historicity of control. You all support this.
not only is the mainstream media so horribly skewed and biased AGAINST the precious lives of the unborn... check out how youtube is the very same... over to the right, you'll see mostly Pro-Murder videos
shut off your tv! it's no longer reliable, get on the internet learn the truth and start doing something to make a possitive difference in this world!
The media always downplays whatever opposes the inside the beltway accepted truths -you can see in 2003 the media coverage of the worldwide anti war marches which were always vastly underestimated-but this example is very egregious.
The truth of the pro-life message and its inherent joyfulness is what will make the pro-life movement victorious. Not by conquering its opponents, but by winning them over.
If this is true some tough ex military men need to go there and interfere smash the cameras of the terrorist networks. Then use the imprisonment and trial as positive coverage exposing fraud. It's legal if they are terroristic ally misleading America with propaganda journalism.
@payasoinfeliz Animals are tasty and nutritious and were made by God for the support and service of mankind. Human beings in the womb are made in the image and likeness of God, and have an eternal soul... are you unaware of the distinction between people and animals?
@hia999 fetuses that get aborted were made by god for that purpose. its their path. he knows their future before theyre even conceived. nothing happens if not for gods will.
@payasoinfeliz Negative Ghostrider... you're forgetting the free will God gives to everyone. God doesn't will that banks be robbed... people do, in opposition to the will of God. God allows your free will to act on the murder of the person He creates... when what He really wanted was your love. Don't confuse your will with God's... unless you're under the delusion that you are God...
@hia999 god cant see the future then. otherwise, he is making fetuses knowing full well that they will be aborted. free will allows us to surprise god i guess. so he doesnt know it all.
@payasoinfeliz Why would God not be able to see a future He allows you to choose? You write as if God has someone to answer to, as if He must justify Himself to someone. Would it be more accurate to say you're an atheist?
@payasoinfeliz But see you're thinking of God as if He were one of us. God does not live in time, He is outside of time. He is not tied to past or future. If He sees what you will choose in your future, that's not Him making the choice or taking your free will. He can see what you will do and not be responsible for it. He can see what you will do and not want it. You need to turn the lens back on yourself and use the fact that God is limitless and blameless as your guide.
I love it! Left and Right are both recognizing the illegitimacy of major media! There is no excuse for the unabashed bias of these corrupt institutions. Screw major media and their corporate-controlled narrative! Citizen media is on the rise! No matter WHO you are, they will create silence or spin on the actions of grassroots movements! (Tea Party was hijacked by the Koch brothers and Fox, it's falsely labeled as grassroots).
I'm interested in entertaining serious conversation about the documentary, the media clip or the topic of abortion, not asinine questions about non-reality.
I answered your question, abortion should be legal . States can haggle over and restrict the late term ones, but it should be legal on demand through the 1st trimester.
Fairs fair, now answer MY question--- is aboriton murder, and should it be punished like any other murder? Im getting a swelled head from all the running away the pro-loafers do whenever I ask that.
I'm just not getting the pro-"loafer" thing. Exactly what is that intended to mean? The person in the womb achieved that status as person at conception - it's the gift of life and that's when it is given by God. To take that life intentionally is murder, not particularly equal to other murders but actually more heinous since the life taken is innocent completely. The murder is generally one motivated by selfishness.
@Hexl702 In many states, Virginia for example, abortion is still a class 4 felony which was overridden by the Roe v. Wade decision the incorrect interpretation of law by several activist judges. The punishment for these types of murders will either come in this life or the next. The state should and technically does have the right to punish the crime of abortion. That punishment is what many prolife people dance around because they maintain the concept of mercy.
But since abortion is premeditated murder on the part of the "doctor", he or she should face the full extent of legal punishment for the crime of committing abortions, that may include life in prison or the death penalty. The mother should also be punished for the crime of abortion. Most have the mercy complex when considering what that punishment ought to be. If the concept of capital punish is ruled out, then prison, monetary fines and lost citizen privileges might be considered.
LOL --- Hexl's never heard THAT before. Geez, its almost touching the way new pro-loofas come along and think theyre saying this stuff for the first time.
Theres only superficial differences between blacks and slavers. But theres VAST differences between
fetuses and persons. Its not illogical to treat different things differently.
You LOL can't LOL argue LOL with LOL stupid... you force your choice on people in the womb... call it what you want, laugh about it, lap it up... it won't last forever. Later.
YOU elect lawmakers. They act on YOUR behalf. LOL for someone with so much moral certitude, you sure seem hasty to palm off your responsibility onto someone else.
I trust the media far more than a bunch of overemotional, hyped-up prolifters who dont even believe their own shit -- OOPS -- I mean have real trouble with their own rhetoric. They balk at and back away from so much
of they SAY they believe, its not funny. And they believe so much that isnt true -- like prochoicers
think abortion is okay or that Plan Parenthood targets minorities for extinction. What a load of crap.
What are the pro-liquors bawling about ? Their message is out there, and has been all along. Theyre just not persuasive . A million times a year, they fail to make their case to someone. Blaming the media is just crying victim.
This is NOT news -- Hell, the pro-loafers do this every year, its routine and predictable and thats not news. LOL, its also not news that "pro-loafers
I noticed this myself. I was in San Francisco in 2010 and there were about 40,000 pro-life Marchers if I remember correctly and a handful of counter protesters. This was in the rain as well.
What a classic example of projection. The old 60s liberals who inhabit dying institutions like Newsweek need to see their dying ethos of decadence as the future. The children raised under the hideous specter of the abortionists "choice" will not forget their companions that they never got to meet.
"It will not be necessary for any one to fight again against the proposal of a censorship OF the press. We do not need a censorship OF the press. We have a censorship BY the press." ( my caps)
G.K. Chesterton, from Orthodoxy, published in 1908. One of the greatest books ever written.
Perhaps not ironically, today is Ash Wednesday, the beginning of the Catholic Church's focus on the mercy of God and the humility that must be sought after and practiced by the faithful. Feelings of invincibility have nothing to do with it.
@hia999 nothing. it's interesting though how proud, how loyal, how joyful, how knowing they are in their beliefs. The issue of abortion is more complicated than 99.9% of the people at these rallys understand. It's an underlying issue of humanity itself and life itself, which has no easy answer. I'm not sure what to make of "pro-lifers", my comment was merely a witty poke at their shield to anyone who noticed.
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I went to the March for Life January 2010, I went January 2011....Can't wait till next year, to see how God will bless us all, and let us grow in Him!!! =)
you kill millions innocents babies but why do you let to live these murderers?
the killer babies(abortionists and those supporters) are murderer. they are really serious criminals here on earth who should have to put in death not the inocent babies.
I wasn't able to go on the march this year. I am appalled by this, but not in the least bit surprised. The media showed us their true colors YEARS ago. This WILL end. More and more people across the nation are starting to see the propaganda machine for what it is, and turning off their TV's. They don't exist to tell you the truth, they exist to MAKE MONEY. You want the truth? TURN OFF THE TUBE!
Pro-abortion-choice folks, I don't really want to hear us argue choice on this, What I would really like to hear is what you think about the allegations in the video. Do you think the media coverage was fair and accurate or not? If so, tell me why, given what we saw here. If not, YOUR calling the media to account will mean far more than if it's just us anti-abortion-Choice people complaining.
Media Malpractice!!! What is happening with this institution. They are the first to accuse someone from other institutions of infidelity, don't they commit the same sin? You here one or another case but not the others you know why!!! Because they use ppl trying to get somewhere in that institution and if they open their lips, they won't be able to put food in their mouth. This is another problem called sexual harassment. Same story "Silence", they bring down big corporations, sports figures, pr
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I wonder how many young woman will change their tune when they start dieing trying to perform a blotched backroom abortion when they are once again illegal. If you don't want an abortion then DON'T have one. Respect others that want one and RESPECT others religions.
You're idea of respect doesn't meet the definition of respect. By respecting others you mean, let people have abortions if they want... The answer -- No. The problem with communication here is liberals don't wish to live by the rules which have so well protected them from others like them. They're spoiled children who just shove food in their mouths at the table, unable to conceive of what it takes to put the food there. There is no communicating with that... the answer is No.
Quite astute. There is no conversation to be had, no debate, when it comes to the premeditated murder of innocent children in the womb... I would take the same position regarding your life. If someone wanted to put your life on the chopping block and then entertain conversation about whether or not you should be murdered, I would say No! No conversation, no debate, no exceptions, no compromises...
@hia999 no arguement you mean?? you know you hae no arguement because all you can give is your holier than thou attitude and say its wrong to kill unborn babies when you dont have any proof to suggest that this is true pro-choice has concrete facts you dont
@hia999 people who disagree with are automatically wrong not only are they wrong theyr liberals, do you have any idea how retarded you sound i like how you clearly try and wriggle your way out of a debate that you know you would lose by stating there is no communication with such things you are spoiled like everybody else in the western world, i dont get what your problem is youre mad at ppl for providing for their kids?? what a joke you and this whole march is hitler missed a few clearly
@hia999 oh it offends god? its offends your imaginary friend :O can you get confirmation of this? a clump of cells with no mind bones or organs my equal? your equal maybe not mine, i would hardly call what is practically a larvae my equal
@hia999 why is it up to me? your here to prove something why dont you prove that there is a god and that it is my equal, it would make it especially easier since its literally impossible to prove a negative but your a smart person you already knew that you were trying to back me into a wall nice try :)
@joemoin SInce it is impossible to prove there is no God or that human life in the womb is not your equal then we'll consider your position as one based on assumptions. Let's start with human life and the equal status human beings enjoy. Your use of 'larvae' suggests development -- not nothing. Only life grows. The appearance of that life or its developmental stage does not affect the life and its inherent value. If you lost your arms and legs in an accident, you would not be less human.
@hia999 but since it is impossible to prove there is a "god" then logically and rationally you have to assume you are wrong until proven right even you have to see logic in that but since your using the life grows logic does that make me and a embryo equal? no just like it doesnt make me or a frog equal and you are right if i lost my limbs i would still be himan but if someone lost all organs bones and mind along with all that goes with it they would not be my equal growth and development are 1
@joemoin There's tremendous consensus in the scientific community about when life begins. How do scientists distinguish life/non-life? A scientific textbook, Basics of Biology, gives 5 characteristics of living things: 1. Living things are highly organized. 2. All living things have an ability to acquire materials and energy. 3. All living things have an ability to respond to their environment. 4. All living things have an ability to reproduce. 5. All living things have an ability to adapt.
@hia999 im familer witht he characteristics of human life but lets look at this 1.a fetus isnt organised in anyway 2. i have never seen a fetus gather materials or energy by itself 3.a fetus fair enough can respond but not knowingly 4.a fetus cant reproduce at its present state 5.a fetus cant adapt to life outside the womb until its fully developed
@joemoin the cellular structure of the embryonic and fetal stages is nothing but organized, growing by the minute from the moment of conception. In this process material and energy are gathered (ask any scientist). Living things need not be cognitive of their responses to their environment. A six year old and a 90 year old can't reproduce either, although reproductive organs develop in the fetal stage. A born child cannot adapt to its environment, yet are born earlier all the time and sustained
@hia999 ok thats a point i never thought of but why should a poor woman ruin her life, her expectations of life and her dreams just because you want her to believe in an ancient story designed to explain the origins of life when we had no way to comprehend it at that time? you want her to have a child she wont love and in return this will have a negative affect on the child which may lead to wrong choices in life wich can ultimately lead to the same mistakes being made again its a form of mercy
@im sorry but how can somebody end poverty? how do you make a non-renewable resource renewable? to do that you would need to end drought and magically make barren soils come back to life, as for genocide you cant change the way people think, youre on this video after all you should know that, but you turn it around on its head and you have the next hitler or more then likely another life to populate the already overpopulated earth, see abortion has an economical value as well
@joemoin So than Hitler's attempt to curve the population was noble than? Oh well millions of people dead oh well we can't change what the Germans think they will always be using Gas chambers on Jews forever, oh wait we did change the way a culture thinks, Hitler was not a noble guy. Renewing the soil happens with slash and burn and rotating crop cycles. As for your comment you assume and offer conjecture that abortion prevents more poverty and further abortion, thats called a logical fallacy.
@Frankcastle522 i see what youre doing youre trying to twist my words arent you? bravo kid how can you renew soil if there is no soil to renew you fucking moron were do you think soil comes from???? you cant just click your fingers and soil will magically appear, look up desertification dipshit, now im not gonna argue geography with you do you have anything worthwhile to say or is just "what ifs" and "maybes" if not dont reply
@joemoin Kid who are you to pull rank on somebody, friend. Try putting on your big boy pants and not throw around the profanity I know you would be to afraid to say to my face. Now lets start over, your the one who began with comments on what if's remember, I just went with it for some fun, you are the one taking it seriously not me. As for what I am talking about. I am giving you flaws in your logic pointing out the conjecture you are offering as fact, that is whats worthwhile about my words.
@Frankcastle522 look at the fella actin all tough over the internet say it to my face gimme break, your comparing something that saves lives and helps economically to hitler, thats just typical you arent finding any flaws at all your comparing it to something the world dislikes, that is propaganda, that is exactly how you change culture, but not always for the better simply to suit other peoples beliefs which is disgusting now ill ask you show me my flaws (as if their my ideas anyway)
@joemoin Propaganda? Saying that murdering millions of people for the sake of economic and social progress as you are advocating is similar to the Nazi's . Thats not propaganda those are your words and the defense you offer to the topic at hand. If your not smart enough to remember your own argument that you really are just a child trying to comprehend adult topics. Oh, and when was the last time abortion saved a life, abortion is the action of taking someones life, thats just ignorant to say.
@Frankcastle522 id say the last abortion to take place improved someones life with stemcell research actually, of course its propaganda look at the words your using "murdering millions of people" what you meant to say was "aborting millions of random clumps of unwanted cells that can benefit people with illnesses and disabilities" abortion isnt the action of taking someones life thats a fact, id like you to prove otherwise
@joemoin Easy! Human beings can only reproduce other human beings so any pregnancy will result in a human being. And secondly the irreversible structure of growth of a human starts at conception, a lump of cells it may be but any scientist will tell you that single cell organisms are alive. The fetus is another human being when the Independence DNA RNA sequence of of molecular growth takes place. As for stem cells we all know that adult stem cells are as effective as embryonic.
All still irrelevant because the burden of proof sir rest on you defend your words! You claim to speak about bettering the lives of others economically and socially by killing millions of children, every year in the U.S. There has been almost one million abortions a year, multiply that by thirty years and you get a number that exceeds the holocaust several times over. Additionally your straw man argument about stem cells shows you can't stay on point, defend your position or stop talking.
@Frankcastle522 how am i not staying on point my point is abortion isnt a bad thing i think ive done a good job of, now let me question you why is it a bad thing? you've been asking questions and ive answered them now the tables are about to be switched
@joemoin You say that abortion is not a bad thing can you prove that the fetus is not alive? You say that it has prevented continued poverty and poor social conditions, can you defend that? You also claim that their is an economic boom happening due to abortion. Which of these points have you defended, how have you done a good job? Since you have not proved this the burden of proof still lays on you, you know I have been carrying this argument and you have not given anything back so if you don't
@joemoin prove in your next post with actual evidence any of your points than I will just stop talking because you will demonstrate failure to create an argument and thereby default everyone can read your failed rants and no that you are without point on your discussion.
@Frankcastle522 ah ah no im asking the questions now and i dont appreciate your weak attempt to change the subject if you need my evidence or logic or whatever you want to call it read my other comments, now since you know so much tell me what exactly is wrong with abortion? i have a point, my point being abortion is not " murdering defenceless babies" you have yet to make any point which leads me to believe your just arguing for the sake of it now, back yourself up or shut the fuck up
@joemoin Once again you failed and now that I know you can't prove your argument than I am happy to call your position untenable. Abortion is wrong because the fetus is alive, that has been proven. Abortion is murder just because you say its not means nothing, that only means your ignoring facts.
@Frankcastle522 prove its alive, prove its murder, i can just as easily say its not murder i can just say the fetus isnt alive i can also say that you are ignoring facts its easy to do
@joemoin You have already lost so I see no point in continuing this discussion. You could not prove your point or defend it, as for murder, murder can be defined as the taking of someones life by someone else. An abortion is thereby murder. A fetus is alive because of the DNA RNA sequence of the life block is complete and because of the five principles of biology, do you know what those are? To say a fetus is not alive is to ignore facts, and to say its not murder is ignorant
@Frankcastle522 are you serious you keep ignoring questions, i have done more to prove my case than you have i suggest you stop living in your own fantasy world and come to the reality that you just made a fool out of yourself
@joemoin What did I ignore? why is abortion wrong because its murder, how is it murder because the fetus is a living human being, thereby premeditated killing is murder in the first degree. As for your points you still haven't defended one of them or made any attempt to disprove mine, you lost now quit being weak minded apologize to me and everyone else for wasting time and start spreading the word that abortion is wrong.
@Frankcastle522 no you moron prove its a human being, scientific fact a fetus doesnt show any signs of human characteristics until 8 weeks into pregnancy thats like calling a cocoon a butterfly it simply isnt
@joemoin Human beings can only produce other human beings thereby anything after conception is a human being. That is a fact, as for life, life is begins when growth starts starts an irreversible course of creation and recreation that will only be stopped by death, fact. Anymore incoherent rants or lies you would like to continue spreading or can I go back to asking you to defend those positions you never talked about?
In this free society, individuals are granted great leeway , even to the point of taking human life. Abortion is only one of several cases where people can take human life and its not a crime.
@Hexl702 Just because its accepted does not make it right, killing unless for the purpose of self defense is incorrect. Additionally not being charged with a crime is not a moral basis for action. If you don't see that than your not worth talking to.
lol Silly! No one is giving abortion a ringing endorsement or a hearty thumbs up, that's you projecting your
animus at prochoicers. Nothing is too ugly to accuse us of.
Abortion is a bloody mess and it looks awful. But we allow many objectionable, distasteful and unpalatable things to be legal in this country, either because people are acting on their rights, or because illegality
@Frankcastle522 so you would call an embryo a human being? thats the stupidest thing i have ever heard im not exactly surprised it came from you, are you gonna continue to make things up in your head and call them facts or can you actually say something worthwhile, jesus your a waste of time
@joemoin An embryo is a human being that is a fact, I am not the one wasting time I am providing ration so if your done attacking me can you please try and state a fact or argument or are you just going to continue crying about how unfair logic is against your opinions?
@joemoin Look at the logic provided for what life is and is required to be considered alive than tell me I am making shit up. And could you please start using your spell check before you waste my time with more irrational comments that are baseless and without a breath of defense.
@Frankcastle522 ok fine it is simply fetal matter until it starts breathing which occurs at around 16 weeks, it is not a human being as its not a non-human species but it is not an non-entity so it is a preborn human being so how can a pre born be considered breathing thing? without abortion do you have any idea how overpopulated the world would be? this would seriously hamper the social strata which could alseo affect a childs psyche theres a bunch of reasons pick your favorite
@joemoin You asked a lot of questions in that one, but I am confused your saying its not a human being than you state later a preborn human being thats a non-entity? Are arguing the baby is not human, or a non entity? And yes i do have an idea of how overpopulated the U.S. would be without abortion, globally its harder to keep track.
@Frankcastle522 i said its not a non-entity but its not technically a human until it starts breathing which happens at the earliest 16 weeks so is it really murder up until then? if its not a human that is? i mean is killing a squirrel murder? nope because it isnt a human i know it sounds unrealistic but its true
@Hexl702 It is quite illogical. Firstly, because your assumptions are subjective and false, and secondly, because your argument isn;t even internally consistent.
What difference is there in the humanity of your examples? None. What difference is there in the humanity of born and unborn people? None. The only difference, really, is age.
Secondly, if you subjectively define who's OK to kill by how they appear, then why not say that since people with dwarfism look different, they're okay to kill?
LOL Hexl is well-acquainted with pro-lifters & their over-the-top, excessive to-the-point of being counterproductive rhetoric. Youre accusing me of thinking "it's okay to kill." Ive heard your swill for 38 years.
it is NOT subjective that the fetus is enclosed within a woman. Thats unbiased and factual.
What IS subjective, is you thinking you should have the say-so over her physical, body autonomy.
@Hexl702 Hexl talks about him/herself in the 3rd person??
I'm not accusing you of anything - I'm exposing your standard as morally wrong by applying it to another situation.
It's not subjective that a foetus lives in a different room, you're right. Soooo... does that make it okay to kill? I really want to know!
I 100% agree that people should have bodily autonomy. But one person's rights end where another's begins, and you don't have the right to autonomy over their body.
@Hexl702 "Hexl believes in and fights for third-personhood!" - Hahaha :)
Well the idea is that if you know something is wrong, then you are against it, as one's conscience will not allow one to do otherwise. See: cognitive dissonance.
Well presumably those other forms of killing which are not *legally* defines as murder are still wrong, unless they are justified. Eg self-defence is justified. But killing someone who is innocent is not.
I think it should be illegal but I would focus on CONT
@Hexl702 It's not about opinion, though. It's the application of a standard that is held worldwide which is being glossed over in this type of circumstance.
You know, I'm beginning to have a problem with Western society. We are so individualistic! Rights are a good system but consider that rights and freedoms DO have limits. Freedom of speech exists - but not for hatespeech. Bodily autonomy exists - but not for those in prison.If we don't restrict your definition of phys liberty,why not these2?
@Hexl702 CONT performer of the abortion, not so much the mother. So the performer would be performing some kind of muder, and the mother would perhaps be some kind of accessory to it (because I would liken it to paying a contract killer to murder someone for you). However the penalty might be less than that example because of the impersonal nature of abortion in certain subjective midsets.
But other than that I can't say I'm an expert in law - I'd leave it to the lawmakers, really.
@Hexl702 Well that's still precisely like a contract killer...
I don't WANT to let people off lightly - but to establish such a law would require some sort of leeway, even if it's a steadily decreasing amount of leeway over the years - kind of like raises in the minimum wage! The problem is that most pro-abortion people do not see an unborn child as a person. This is more a matter of the will than the intellect - they don't want to have to recognise the genocide happening in their own back yard
@TheHardout2005 thats the same way peta thinks about animals we eat everyday. and animals can actually think and feel pain when we kill them, unlike fetuses that get aborted, or people that get unplugged from life support. if peta cant change peoples minds, what makes you think prolife people will do any better?
@TheHardout2005 i eat meat and know animals experience pain because of my taste for meat. that answer your question? fetuses dont feel pain until well after week 20, by which time most places will not perform abortions anyway.
@payasoinfeliz No I think that's way off the mark of any question I asked.
What I want to know, primarily, from you, is "Is is okay to kill something, so long as it doesn't feel pain (or else, its death is brought about painlessly)"?
What I'm doing, is showing you where you standard fails.
@TheHardout2005 if i knowingly eat animals that suffer pain, do you think pain makes any difference as to whether i think its ok to kill anything? think about it.
@payasoinfeliz Excuse me? You're avoiding the question and changing the subject. The question is one of homicide (or you can extend it to animals, too, if you must), not about eating meat. You gotta kill somethin' to eat it, doncha'?
Sooo if you would do me the honour, I'd like you to answer my question. Then we can relate your answer to abortion (and not the entirely separate subject of ethical judgements on eating meat).
@TheHardout2005 ok, you are a little slow. i do not care if there is pain. if i cared about pain, i would not eat animals. but i do eat animals... because i do not care about pain. pain has absolutely no bearing on whether i think its ok to kill anything. clear now?
In frozen reality, the observations indicate a proliferation of illusion and the replication of spectacle. Subsequently, the sophistication of language and the unification of political ideology will create the template for alleged validity. The abortion of truth occurred long ago as the result of hegemony over spontaneity. The dominant life form would imagine life as a continuous progression. In total, life as it is known is defined within a certain historicity of control. You all support this.
epiksonik 9 hours ago
yay!! peru is represented!! this is so amazing!!! i love and support this!!!! =] <3
lenyta25 3 days ago
not only is the mainstream media so horribly skewed and biased AGAINST the precious lives of the unborn... check out how youtube is the very same... over to the right, you'll see mostly Pro-Murder videos
Cindy7333 3 days ago
shut off your tv! it's no longer reliable, get on the internet learn the truth and start doing something to make a possitive difference in this world!
TruthHungryChannel 3 days ago
The media always downplays whatever opposes the inside the beltway accepted truths -you can see in 2003 the media coverage of the worldwide anti war marches which were always vastly underestimated-but this example is very egregious.
RPenta 3 days ago
Excellent exposition of "yellow journalism."
The media is owned by people of questionable morals, and the American people are opening their eyes to this, more and more.
Fire all yellow journalists, and imprison war criminals, Bush, Cheney, and Obobmer.
RON PAUL 2012
1GodOnlyOne 3 days ago
Newsbusters did a great piece on the MSM (mainstream media's) lack of coverage--gasp--of thsi event again in 2012. Journalism rarely exists anymore.
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The truth of the pro-life message and its inherent joyfulness is what will make the pro-life movement victorious. Not by conquering its opponents, but by winning them over.
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Tubiquitous2 4 days ago
This is the first year that I didn't go. The only network that ever shows the march is ewtn. Didn't see anything on the news today. . .
GriffinElliot 5 days ago
@GriffinElliot Let the local media know. Over 400,000 marched yesterday? The media's pro-abort bias is inexcusable!
pwthcim 4 days ago
wow the media amazes me. so sad.
tp182j 5 days ago 2
Don't waste time with morons.
If this is true some tough ex military men need to go there and interfere smash the cameras of the terrorist networks. Then use the imprisonment and trial as positive coverage exposing fraud. It's legal if they are terroristic ally misleading America with propaganda journalism.
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sweeet when can u realease the full movie??
bambinoto 3 weeks ago
what life experience brings a person to value animal life over human life? I'm just asking because I'm seriously curious...
JaneRoe1984 1 month ago
they (the media and those standing behind them) will fail, as truth is stronger than lie.
Keep on fighting for truth ad for life.
May God bless and shelter you and all other "Pro-life" marchers
prosepp 1 month ago
@payasoinfeliz Animals are tasty and nutritious and were made by God for the support and service of mankind. Human beings in the womb are made in the image and likeness of God, and have an eternal soul... are you unaware of the distinction between people and animals?
hia999 1 month ago
@hia999 fetuses that get aborted were made by god for that purpose. its their path. he knows their future before theyre even conceived. nothing happens if not for gods will.
payasoinfeliz 1 month ago
@payasoinfeliz Negative Ghostrider... you're forgetting the free will God gives to everyone. God doesn't will that banks be robbed... people do, in opposition to the will of God. God allows your free will to act on the murder of the person He creates... when what He really wanted was your love. Don't confuse your will with God's... unless you're under the delusion that you are God...
hia999 1 month ago
@hia999 god cant see the future then. otherwise, he is making fetuses knowing full well that they will be aborted. free will allows us to surprise god i guess. so he doesnt know it all.
payasoinfeliz 1 month ago
@payasoinfeliz Why would God not be able to see a future He allows you to choose? You write as if God has someone to answer to, as if He must justify Himself to someone. Would it be more accurate to say you're an atheist?
hia999 1 month ago
@hia999 because if he sees the future, you cant choose anything that contradicts what he saw, as this would mean he did not see the future.
payasoinfeliz 1 month ago
@payasoinfeliz But see you're thinking of God as if He were one of us. God does not live in time, He is outside of time. He is not tied to past or future. If He sees what you will choose in your future, that's not Him making the choice or taking your free will. He can see what you will do and not be responsible for it. He can see what you will do and not want it. You need to turn the lens back on yourself and use the fact that God is limitless and blameless as your guide.
hia999 1 month ago
@hia999 "yes" or "no" question: with free will, can we deviate from what god knows we will do in the future, proving him wrong?
payasoinfeliz 1 month ago
Fascists?
DeeNeeBug 2 months ago
Good on CNN for not giving the time of day to fascists
LadyAmaltheaUnicorn 2 months ago
I hate the media so much, its not a left or right argument anymore the media has scorned both sides so much.
Frankcastle522 2 months ago
WOW- The left & right, AMERICANS, interests are being outright abused by the corporate media
PtAltmVansanTarr 3 months ago
I love it! Left and Right are both recognizing the illegitimacy of major media! There is no excuse for the unabashed bias of these corrupt institutions. Screw major media and their corporate-controlled narrative! Citizen media is on the rise! No matter WHO you are, they will create silence or spin on the actions of grassroots movements! (Tea Party was hijacked by the Koch brothers and Fox, it's falsely labeled as grassroots).
kishind 4 months ago
Why all this bawling and whining over the number of people that attended a rally?
Hell if we presume most/all of the people who voted GOP in 2008 were pro-lite,
then thats MILLIONS of people on your side. Therefore its no big whoop to
attract some 200,000 to 300,000 to a rally.
Hexl702 7 months ago
My position in a nutshell -- Abortion should be legal.
Hexl702 7 months ago
Lemme ask this -- if one day abortion was as safe for the fetus as it was for the woman -- if we could take it out alive -- would there be anything
"bad" about abortion? Would it still be "pure evil" or 'wrong" because a woman
is able to escape giving birth?
Hexl702 7 months ago
@Hexl702
I'm interested in entertaining serious conversation about the documentary, the media clip or the topic of abortion, not asinine questions about non-reality.
hia999 7 months ago
@hia999
LOL okay, what do YOU think - is abortion murder, and should it be illegal, and if so, what crime is it
and what penalty should the woman face for her considerable part in this act? I asked as
seriously as I know how.
((I trust you are as dliigent in chastizing the antichoicers who ask asinine questions like "What if YOU had been aborted?"" ))
Hexl702 7 months ago
@Hexl702
So clear me up. What's your position in a nutshell?
hia999 7 months ago
@hia999
I answered your question, abortion should be legal . States can haggle over and restrict the late term ones, but it should be legal on demand through the 1st trimester.
Fairs fair, now answer MY question--- is aboriton murder, and should it be punished like any other murder? Im getting a swelled head from all the running away the pro-loafers do whenever I ask that.
Hexl702 7 months ago
@Hexl702
I'm just not getting the pro-"loafer" thing. Exactly what is that intended to mean? The person in the womb achieved that status as person at conception - it's the gift of life and that's when it is given by God. To take that life intentionally is murder, not particularly equal to other murders but actually more heinous since the life taken is innocent completely. The murder is generally one motivated by selfishness.
hia999 7 months ago
@hia999
America is not a xtian nation -- We're a secular country, we dont all believe in your god. America
is not in the bible, they werent talking about us. It doesnt apply to us.
Hexl702 7 months ago
@hia999 what crime did the cow in my happy meal commit? what about the turkey i stuffed for thanksgiving? what was its crime? INNOCENCE MURDERED
payasoinfeliz 1 month ago
@Hexl702 In many states, Virginia for example, abortion is still a class 4 felony which was overridden by the Roe v. Wade decision the incorrect interpretation of law by several activist judges. The punishment for these types of murders will either come in this life or the next. The state should and technically does have the right to punish the crime of abortion. That punishment is what many prolife people dance around because they maintain the concept of mercy.
hia999 7 months ago
@hia999
LOL thats STILL not an answer to my question -- What do YOU think ? What punishment does the
"crime" of abortion merit --
death penalty, life in prison, 10 years for contract killing, picking up highway trash on weekends?
Whatever you come up with, we'll stack that up against "safe, legal and rare," and see which one
goes over better with the people.
Hexl702 7 months ago
Your god forgives abortion, remember? Its not like abortion is some unforgivable sin like blasphemy.
Hexl702 7 months ago
@Hexl702
Your god eats abortion for breakfast.
hia999 7 months ago
@hia999
Hexl has no gods. LOL fundies always tell me gawd will punish us one day for all this abortion.
Geez, 50 millon abortions and he hasnt smited us yet? How many more does he need to see before
he blows his top?
Hexl702 7 months ago
LOL I figure its only a matter of time before Im banned from this video like I have
been a million other places, so lemme just say before I go--
abortion is still legal while I'm gone.
Hexl702 7 months ago
We dont need demonic forces or mystical gods. All we have is the power
of an idea --
Choice is better than force. It truly resonates with free people.
Hexl702 7 months ago
And the pro-lite folks DO treat fetuses differently. Hell look at the answers two
of you just gave. You want to cut the woman every slack, even though
the abortion was HER idea, she contacts the "hit man," she rustles up the funds,
sets the time and place for the "murder," and holds still so the "victim" can be killed.
Could it be even YOU think of fetuses differently, and its not like a "real person"
was killed, hence the leniency?
Hexl702 7 months ago
Any other crimes you go easy on women because theyre pregnant -- burglary,
robbery, larceny ? LOL would you accept that excuse from any other felon --
"he didnt realize the full scale of what he was doing "" --
Looks slightly ridiculous, especially
when the pro-lite message has been out there for 38 years.
Hexl702 7 months ago
@Hexl702
But since abortion is premeditated murder on the part of the "doctor", he or she should face the full extent of legal punishment for the crime of committing abortions, that may include life in prison or the death penalty. The mother should also be punished for the crime of abortion. Most have the mercy complex when considering what that punishment ought to be. If the concept of capital punish is ruled out, then prison, monetary fines and lost citizen privileges might be considered.
hia999 7 months ago
@hia999
They tried that in S. Dakota and it LOST - the people voted to uphold choice. The pro-loofas got
defeated pretty soundly as I recall. lol Did YOu campaign for them?
Hexl702 7 months ago
@Hexl702
Let us take a lesson from the Demonic Democrats then... if at first you don't succeed...
hia999 7 months ago
@hia999
LOL the Master Plan is working BEAUTIFULLY! Obama has been made Supreme Leader! Hail
Lamashtu and a nod of thanks to all our friends in the demon underworld! And wait'll they see
whats coming NEXT::::: evil grin, maniac laughter::
Nah, I love to throw a scare into fundies::bad hexl, slap hehe::: We all know theres no such things
as demons.
Hexl702 7 months ago
@hia999
A medical procedure is not murder.
Hexl702 7 months ago
@Hexl702
And a black man on a southern plantation 150 ago was not a slave... guess what, moral relativism doesn't exist if I don't want it to...
hia999 7 months ago
@hia999 '
LOL --- Hexl's never heard THAT before. Geez, its almost touching the way new pro-loofas come along and think theyre saying this stuff for the first time.
Theres only superficial differences between blacks and slavers. But theres VAST differences between
fetuses and persons. Its not illogical to treat different things differently.
Hexl702 7 months ago
@Hexl702
You LOL can't LOL argue LOL with LOL stupid... you force your choice on people in the womb... call it what you want, laugh about it, lap it up... it won't last forever. Later.
hia999 7 months ago
@hia999
Abortion isnt funny-- But you guys are HILARIOUS, and I cant help it if I think so. When somethings
funny, I laff!
Hexl702 7 months ago
@hia999
You think the democrats are demons. That was funny as -- well, HELL. What could I do but laugh, heh heh.
Hexl702 7 months ago
@TheHardout2005 """I'd leave it to lawmakers""
YOU elect lawmakers. They act on YOUR behalf. LOL for someone with so much moral certitude, you sure seem hasty to palm off your responsibility onto someone else.
Hexl702 7 months ago
We never trust american media anyway
tacotony24 7 months ago
@tacotony24
I trust the media far more than a bunch of overemotional, hyped-up prolifters who dont even believe their own shit -- OOPS -- I mean have real trouble with their own rhetoric. They balk at and back away from so much
of they SAY they believe, its not funny. And they believe so much that isnt true -- like prochoicers
think abortion is okay or that Plan Parenthood targets minorities for extinction. What a load of crap.
Hexl702 7 months ago
@Hexl702
damn, you're absolutely right
shit like you will not be making these statements if you were aborted long time ago
tacotony24 7 months ago
@joemoin
If we're still able to have the cause and effect conversation, what is the cause of nature, what caused it to be?
hia999 8 months ago
What are the pro-liquors bawling about ? Their message is out there, and has been all along. Theyre just not persuasive . A million times a year, they fail to make their case to someone. Blaming the media is just crying victim.
Hexl702 8 months ago
This is NOT news -- Hell, the pro-loafers do this every year, its routine and predictable and thats not news. LOL, its also not news that "pro-loafers
dont like abortion."
Hexl702 8 months ago
lol -- the rightwads have been gloating for years that the "biased lib media has
been losing viewers'"
LOL -- so if the lib media covered the Big Pro Lite rally, theyd be glad nobody watched it? That cracks me up.
Hexl702 8 months ago
I noticed this myself. I was in San Francisco in 2010 and there were about 40,000 pro-life Marchers if I remember correctly and a handful of counter protesters. This was in the rain as well.
BenjaminWirtz 8 months ago
@BenjaminWirtz """a handful of counter protestors'"
Hell, I dunno why any prochoicer would even bother to show up, abortion is legal. Our fight is WON,
why do we need to march LOL !
Hexl702 8 months ago
@BenjaminWirtz """there were about 40,000 pro-lite marchers ""
Theres a reason you clucks have to fight -- because abortion is legal, and you guys have failed at your
message for 38 years, and you suck at what you do.
Hexl702 8 months ago
@Hexl702
How does that prove what you are saying? If we "suck" so much we wouldn't be getting so many marchers.
BenjaminWirtz 8 months ago
Ugly people in clean-kid clothing.
anothernullifidian 9 months ago
more proof our country is not run by the people! WOW there is now hope for this nation!
AllAmericanmana 9 months ago
What a classic example of projection. The old 60s liberals who inhabit dying institutions like Newsweek need to see their dying ethos of decadence as the future. The children raised under the hideous specter of the abortionists "choice" will not forget their companions that they never got to meet.
VictorLepanto 10 months ago
"It will not be necessary for any one to fight again against the proposal of a censorship OF the press. We do not need a censorship OF the press. We have a censorship BY the press." ( my caps)
G.K. Chesterton, from Orthodoxy, published in 1908. One of the greatest books ever written.
r5t9m0 10 months ago
ahhhhhh the soothing warmth of religion. Makes you feel invincible doesn't it?
JesusEclipse 10 months ago
@JesusEclipse
Perhaps not ironically, today is Ash Wednesday, the beginning of the Catholic Church's focus on the mercy of God and the humility that must be sought after and practiced by the faithful. Feelings of invincibility have nothing to do with it.
Incidentally, what makes you feel invincible?
hia999 10 months ago
@hia999 nothing. it's interesting though how proud, how loyal, how joyful, how knowing they are in their beliefs. The issue of abortion is more complicated than 99.9% of the people at these rallys understand. It's an underlying issue of humanity itself and life itself, which has no easy answer. I'm not sure what to make of "pro-lifers", my comment was merely a witty poke at their shield to anyone who noticed.
JesusEclipse 10 months ago
America has been slaughtering women and small children since 1945
do not believe GOP lies
conservatives have always been pro death and anti women
Israel murders toddlers on a daily basis with the weapons we give them
GOP is going after CONTRACEPTION - what Planned Parenthood does, besides pap-smears and breast-exams.
sonbarably 11 months ago
@sonbarably please ppl like you have been doing the same with your boring words for longer
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Theteapartytruther1 11 months ago
When did virgins become experts in sex?
DanceInYourRoom 11 months ago
I went to the March for Life January 2010, I went January 2011....Can't wait till next year, to see how God will bless us all, and let us grow in Him!!! =)
cellostar13 11 months ago
Those dislikes are people who either think the media always tells them the truth without any spin or who are pro-abortion.
chrisgaffrey 1 year ago 2
@chrisgaffrey=SARAH FALIN COCKSUCKER!
mr300ism 11 months ago
@mr300ism If I have said something that is incorrect, explain to me my error. If not, why do you try to offend me by calling me names?
chrisgaffrey 11 months ago
Such a beautiful display of 1/3 million pro lifers marching for life.
tomumstattd 1 year ago
Such a beautiful display of 300,000 pro lifers marching for life.
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i feel really sorry for these babies.
you kill millions innocents babies but why do you let to live these murderers?
the killer babies(abortionists and those supporters) are murderer. they are really serious criminals here on earth who should have to put in death not the inocent babies.
lovencare62 1 year ago
Remember. The MSM is not your friend. Kill your television.
sue200012 1 year ago
I wasn't able to go on the march this year. I am appalled by this, but not in the least bit surprised. The media showed us their true colors YEARS ago. This WILL end. More and more people across the nation are starting to see the propaganda machine for what it is, and turning off their TV's. They don't exist to tell you the truth, they exist to MAKE MONEY. You want the truth? TURN OFF THE TUBE!
impslayer369 1 year ago
OH GOD THEY INFORMED US THERE WERE PRO MURDER CREATURES OUT IN THE MARCH FOR LIFE, FALSE ADVERTISEMENT ALERT!
STarCRAFT4BRITS 1 year ago
abortion is depressing...
paul41251 1 year ago
Pro-abortion-choice folks, I don't really want to hear us argue choice on this, What I would really like to hear is what you think about the allegations in the video. Do you think the media coverage was fair and accurate or not? If so, tell me why, given what we saw here. If not, YOUR calling the media to account will mean far more than if it's just us anti-abortion-Choice people complaining.
amethystmenace 1 year ago 3
Media Malpractice!!! What is happening with this institution. They are the first to accuse someone from other institutions of infidelity, don't they commit the same sin? You here one or another case but not the others you know why!!! Because they use ppl trying to get somewhere in that institution and if they open their lips, they won't be able to put food in their mouth. This is another problem called sexual harassment. Same story "Silence", they bring down big corporations, sports figures, pr
Mppbeing1991 1 year ago
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I wonder how many young woman will change their tune when they start dieing trying to perform a blotched backroom abortion when they are once again illegal. If you don't want an abortion then DON'T have one. Respect others that want one and RESPECT others religions.
microchrome 1 year ago
@microchrome
You're idea of respect doesn't meet the definition of respect. By respecting others you mean, let people have abortions if they want... The answer -- No. The problem with communication here is liberals don't wish to live by the rules which have so well protected them from others like them. They're spoiled children who just shove food in their mouths at the table, unable to conceive of what it takes to put the food there. There is no communicating with that... the answer is No.
hia999 1 year ago 6
@hia999 Nice metaphor, too bad it makes absolutely no sense at all, and adds nothing to the conversation.
SammyClammy 1 year ago
@SammyClammy
Quite astute. There is no conversation to be had, no debate, when it comes to the premeditated murder of innocent children in the womb... I would take the same position regarding your life. If someone wanted to put your life on the chopping block and then entertain conversation about whether or not you should be murdered, I would say No! No conversation, no debate, no exceptions, no compromises...
hia999 1 year ago 8
@hia999 no arguement you mean?? you know you hae no arguement because all you can give is your holier than thou attitude and say its wrong to kill unborn babies when you dont have any proof to suggest that this is true pro-choice has concrete facts you dont
joemoin 8 months ago
@hia999 people who disagree with are automatically wrong not only are they wrong theyr liberals, do you have any idea how retarded you sound i like how you clearly try and wriggle your way out of a debate that you know you would lose by stating there is no communication with such things you are spoiled like everybody else in the western world, i dont get what your problem is youre mad at ppl for providing for their kids?? what a joke you and this whole march is hitler missed a few clearly
joemoin 8 months ago
@joemoin thanks for your post. You sound brilliant. If you'd like to carry on a discussion or debate with me -- here I is...
hia999 8 months ago
@hia999 alright :) why is abortion so wrong to you?
joemoin 8 months ago
@joemoin because the destruction of innocent human life offends God and is the murder of a person who is your equal in every way...
hia999 8 months ago
@hia999 oh it offends god? its offends your imaginary friend :O can you get confirmation of this? a clump of cells with no mind bones or organs my equal? your equal maybe not mine, i would hardly call what is practically a larvae my equal
joemoin 8 months ago
@joemoin Ok, fair enough. You prove there is no God and that this "clump of cells" is not your equal.
hia999 8 months ago
@hia999 why is it up to me? your here to prove something why dont you prove that there is a god and that it is my equal, it would make it especially easier since its literally impossible to prove a negative but your a smart person you already knew that you were trying to back me into a wall nice try :)
joemoin 8 months ago
@joemoin SInce it is impossible to prove there is no God or that human life in the womb is not your equal then we'll consider your position as one based on assumptions. Let's start with human life and the equal status human beings enjoy. Your use of 'larvae' suggests development -- not nothing. Only life grows. The appearance of that life or its developmental stage does not affect the life and its inherent value. If you lost your arms and legs in an accident, you would not be less human.
hia999 8 months ago
@hia999 but since it is impossible to prove there is a "god" then logically and rationally you have to assume you are wrong until proven right even you have to see logic in that but since your using the life grows logic does that make me and a embryo equal? no just like it doesnt make me or a frog equal and you are right if i lost my limbs i would still be himan but if someone lost all organs bones and mind along with all that goes with it they would not be my equal growth and development are 1
joemoin 8 months ago
@joemoin I can say rightly that I am the effect of a cause.
hia999 8 months ago
@hia999 elabortate
joemoin 8 months ago
@joemoin some THING or ACTION caused my to be. I did not BECOME on my own. (I am currently heading home, so I will respond asap)
hia999 8 months ago
@hia999 so something caused everything its called nature
joemoin 8 months ago
@joemoin There's tremendous consensus in the scientific community about when life begins. How do scientists distinguish life/non-life? A scientific textbook, Basics of Biology, gives 5 characteristics of living things: 1. Living things are highly organized. 2. All living things have an ability to acquire materials and energy. 3. All living things have an ability to respond to their environment. 4. All living things have an ability to reproduce. 5. All living things have an ability to adapt.
hia999 8 months ago
@hia999 im familer witht he characteristics of human life but lets look at this 1.a fetus isnt organised in anyway 2. i have never seen a fetus gather materials or energy by itself 3.a fetus fair enough can respond but not knowingly 4.a fetus cant reproduce at its present state 5.a fetus cant adapt to life outside the womb until its fully developed
joemoin 8 months ago
@joemoin the cellular structure of the embryonic and fetal stages is nothing but organized, growing by the minute from the moment of conception. In this process material and energy are gathered (ask any scientist). Living things need not be cognitive of their responses to their environment. A six year old and a 90 year old can't reproduce either, although reproductive organs develop in the fetal stage. A born child cannot adapt to its environment, yet are born earlier all the time and sustained
hia999 8 months ago
@hia999 ok thats a point i never thought of but why should a poor woman ruin her life, her expectations of life and her dreams just because you want her to believe in an ancient story designed to explain the origins of life when we had no way to comprehend it at that time? you want her to have a child she wont love and in return this will have a negative affect on the child which may lead to wrong choices in life wich can ultimately lead to the same mistakes being made again its a form of mercy
joemoin 8 months ago
@joemoin Not to mention how that kid will one day cure cancer end poverty and stop genocide? Aren't what if's fun?
Frankcastle522 8 months ago
@im sorry but how can somebody end poverty? how do you make a non-renewable resource renewable? to do that you would need to end drought and magically make barren soils come back to life, as for genocide you cant change the way people think, youre on this video after all you should know that, but you turn it around on its head and you have the next hitler or more then likely another life to populate the already overpopulated earth, see abortion has an economical value as well
joemoin 8 months ago
@joemoin So than Hitler's attempt to curve the population was noble than? Oh well millions of people dead oh well we can't change what the Germans think they will always be using Gas chambers on Jews forever, oh wait we did change the way a culture thinks, Hitler was not a noble guy. Renewing the soil happens with slash and burn and rotating crop cycles. As for your comment you assume and offer conjecture that abortion prevents more poverty and further abortion, thats called a logical fallacy.
Frankcastle522 8 months ago
@Frankcastle522 i see what youre doing youre trying to twist my words arent you? bravo kid how can you renew soil if there is no soil to renew you fucking moron were do you think soil comes from???? you cant just click your fingers and soil will magically appear, look up desertification dipshit, now im not gonna argue geography with you do you have anything worthwhile to say or is just "what ifs" and "maybes" if not dont reply
joemoin 8 months ago
@joemoin Kid who are you to pull rank on somebody, friend. Try putting on your big boy pants and not throw around the profanity I know you would be to afraid to say to my face. Now lets start over, your the one who began with comments on what if's remember, I just went with it for some fun, you are the one taking it seriously not me. As for what I am talking about. I am giving you flaws in your logic pointing out the conjecture you are offering as fact, that is whats worthwhile about my words.
Frankcastle522 8 months ago
@Frankcastle522 look at the fella actin all tough over the internet say it to my face gimme break, your comparing something that saves lives and helps economically to hitler, thats just typical you arent finding any flaws at all your comparing it to something the world dislikes, that is propaganda, that is exactly how you change culture, but not always for the better simply to suit other peoples beliefs which is disgusting now ill ask you show me my flaws (as if their my ideas anyway)
joemoin 8 months ago
@joemoin Propaganda? Saying that murdering millions of people for the sake of economic and social progress as you are advocating is similar to the Nazi's . Thats not propaganda those are your words and the defense you offer to the topic at hand. If your not smart enough to remember your own argument that you really are just a child trying to comprehend adult topics. Oh, and when was the last time abortion saved a life, abortion is the action of taking someones life, thats just ignorant to say.
Frankcastle522 8 months ago
@Frankcastle522 id say the last abortion to take place improved someones life with stemcell research actually, of course its propaganda look at the words your using "murdering millions of people" what you meant to say was "aborting millions of random clumps of unwanted cells that can benefit people with illnesses and disabilities" abortion isnt the action of taking someones life thats a fact, id like you to prove otherwise
joemoin 8 months ago
@joemoin Easy! Human beings can only reproduce other human beings so any pregnancy will result in a human being. And secondly the irreversible structure of growth of a human starts at conception, a lump of cells it may be but any scientist will tell you that single cell organisms are alive. The fetus is another human being when the Independence DNA RNA sequence of of molecular growth takes place. As for stem cells we all know that adult stem cells are as effective as embryonic.
Frankcastle522 8 months ago
All still irrelevant because the burden of proof sir rest on you defend your words! You claim to speak about bettering the lives of others economically and socially by killing millions of children, every year in the U.S. There has been almost one million abortions a year, multiply that by thirty years and you get a number that exceeds the holocaust several times over. Additionally your straw man argument about stem cells shows you can't stay on point, defend your position or stop talking.
Frankcastle522 8 months ago
@Frankcastle522 how am i not staying on point my point is abortion isnt a bad thing i think ive done a good job of, now let me question you why is it a bad thing? you've been asking questions and ive answered them now the tables are about to be switched
joemoin 8 months ago
@joemoin You say that abortion is not a bad thing can you prove that the fetus is not alive? You say that it has prevented continued poverty and poor social conditions, can you defend that? You also claim that their is an economic boom happening due to abortion. Which of these points have you defended, how have you done a good job? Since you have not proved this the burden of proof still lays on you, you know I have been carrying this argument and you have not given anything back so if you don't
Frankcastle522 8 months ago
@joemoin prove in your next post with actual evidence any of your points than I will just stop talking because you will demonstrate failure to create an argument and thereby default everyone can read your failed rants and no that you are without point on your discussion.
Frankcastle522 8 months ago
@Frankcastle522 ah ah no im asking the questions now and i dont appreciate your weak attempt to change the subject if you need my evidence or logic or whatever you want to call it read my other comments, now since you know so much tell me what exactly is wrong with abortion? i have a point, my point being abortion is not " murdering defenceless babies" you have yet to make any point which leads me to believe your just arguing for the sake of it now, back yourself up or shut the fuck up
joemoin 8 months ago
@joemoin Once again you failed and now that I know you can't prove your argument than I am happy to call your position untenable. Abortion is wrong because the fetus is alive, that has been proven. Abortion is murder just because you say its not means nothing, that only means your ignoring facts.
Frankcastle522 8 months ago
@Frankcastle522 prove its alive, prove its murder, i can just as easily say its not murder i can just say the fetus isnt alive i can also say that you are ignoring facts its easy to do
joemoin 8 months ago
@joemoin You have already lost so I see no point in continuing this discussion. You could not prove your point or defend it, as for murder, murder can be defined as the taking of someones life by someone else. An abortion is thereby murder. A fetus is alive because of the DNA RNA sequence of the life block is complete and because of the five principles of biology, do you know what those are? To say a fetus is not alive is to ignore facts, and to say its not murder is ignorant
Frankcastle522 8 months ago
@joemoin Now that I have completely crushed your rhetoric and you failed to even try and defend your position, I expect you to join the solution.
Frankcastle522 8 months ago
@Frankcastle522 are you serious you keep ignoring questions, i have done more to prove my case than you have i suggest you stop living in your own fantasy world and come to the reality that you just made a fool out of yourself
joemoin 8 months ago
@joemoin What did I ignore? why is abortion wrong because its murder, how is it murder because the fetus is a living human being, thereby premeditated killing is murder in the first degree. As for your points you still haven't defended one of them or made any attempt to disprove mine, you lost now quit being weak minded apologize to me and everyone else for wasting time and start spreading the word that abortion is wrong.
Frankcastle522 8 months ago
@Frankcastle522 no you moron prove its a human being, scientific fact a fetus doesnt show any signs of human characteristics until 8 weeks into pregnancy thats like calling a cocoon a butterfly it simply isnt
joemoin 8 months ago
@joemoin Human beings can only produce other human beings thereby anything after conception is a human being. That is a fact, as for life, life is begins when growth starts starts an irreversible course of creation and recreation that will only be stopped by death, fact. Anymore incoherent rants or lies you would like to continue spreading or can I go back to asking you to defend those positions you never talked about?
Frankcastle522 8 months ago
@Frankcastle522
In this free society, individuals are granted great leeway , even to the point of taking human life. Abortion is only one of several cases where people can take human life and its not a crime.
Hexl702 8 months ago
@Hexl702 Just because its accepted does not make it right, killing unless for the purpose of self defense is incorrect. Additionally not being charged with a crime is not a moral basis for action. If you don't see that than your not worth talking to.
Frankcastle522 8 months ago
@Frankcastle522 ""does not make it right"""
lol Silly! No one is giving abortion a ringing endorsement or a hearty thumbs up, that's you projecting your
animus at prochoicers. Nothing is too ugly to accuse us of.
Abortion is a bloody mess and it looks awful. But we allow many objectionable, distasteful and unpalatable things to be legal in this country, either because people are acting on their rights, or because illegality
would be even worse.
Hexl702 8 months ago
@Hexl702 You just proved my point, thank you for doing it so elegantly.
Frankcastle522 8 months ago
@Frankcastle522
LOL the usual pro-licker spew. Ya know, it really isnt a big deal to win a debate on YouTube why
abortion should be legal,
when it IS legal.
Hexl702 8 months ago
@Frankcastle522 so you would call an embryo a human being? thats the stupidest thing i have ever heard im not exactly surprised it came from you, are you gonna continue to make things up in your head and call them facts or can you actually say something worthwhile, jesus your a waste of time
joemoin 8 months ago
@joemoin An embryo is a human being that is a fact, I am not the one wasting time I am providing ration so if your done attacking me can you please try and state a fact or argument or are you just going to continue crying about how unfair logic is against your opinions?
Frankcastle522 8 months ago
@Frankcastle522 thats not logic thats you saying something everyone knoes isnt true and saying its a fact are you done makin shit up now?
joemoin 8 months ago
@joemoin Look at the logic provided for what life is and is required to be considered alive than tell me I am making shit up. And could you please start using your spell check before you waste my time with more irrational comments that are baseless and without a breath of defense.
Frankcastle522 8 months ago
@Frankcastle522 ok fine it is simply fetal matter until it starts breathing which occurs at around 16 weeks, it is not a human being as its not a non-human species but it is not an non-entity so it is a preborn human being so how can a pre born be considered breathing thing? without abortion do you have any idea how overpopulated the world would be? this would seriously hamper the social strata which could alseo affect a childs psyche theres a bunch of reasons pick your favorite
joemoin 8 months ago
@joemoin You asked a lot of questions in that one, but I am confused your saying its not a human being than you state later a preborn human being thats a non-entity? Are arguing the baby is not human, or a non entity? And yes i do have an idea of how overpopulated the U.S. would be without abortion, globally its harder to keep track.
Frankcastle522 8 months ago
@Frankcastle522 i said its not a non-entity but its not technically a human until it starts breathing which happens at the earliest 16 weeks so is it really murder up until then? if its not a human that is? i mean is killing a squirrel murder? nope because it isnt a human i know it sounds unrealistic but its true
joemoin 8 months ago
The pro-loafers always try to compare fetuses and abortion to slavery and the Holocaust. There were only
superficial differences between blacks and whites, and jews and nazis.
But there are VAST differences between fetuses and humans. Prochoicers arent making this up.
Fetuses would die in our world, and we would die in theirs.
Its not illogical to treat different things differently.
Hexl702 8 months ago
@Hexl702 It is quite illogical. Firstly, because your assumptions are subjective and false, and secondly, because your argument isn;t even internally consistent.
What difference is there in the humanity of your examples? None. What difference is there in the humanity of born and unborn people? None. The only difference, really, is age.
Secondly, if you subjectively define who's OK to kill by how they appear, then why not say that since people with dwarfism look different, they're okay to kill?
TheHardout2005 7 months ago
@TheHardout2005 : "they're okay to kill?""
LOL Hexl is well-acquainted with pro-lifters & their over-the-top, excessive to-the-point of being counterproductive rhetoric. Youre accusing me of thinking "it's okay to kill." Ive heard your swill for 38 years.
it is NOT subjective that the fetus is enclosed within a woman. Thats unbiased and factual.
What IS subjective, is you thinking you should have the say-so over her physical, body autonomy.
How would I get to do that to YOU?
Hexl702 7 months ago
@Hexl702 Hexl talks about him/herself in the 3rd person??
I'm not accusing you of anything - I'm exposing your standard as morally wrong by applying it to another situation.
It's not subjective that a foetus lives in a different room, you're right. Soooo... does that make it okay to kill? I really want to know!
I 100% agree that people should have bodily autonomy. But one person's rights end where another's begins, and you don't have the right to autonomy over their body.
TheHardout2005 7 months ago
@TheHardout2005
Hexl believes in and fights for third-personhood!
Why do these pro-lite folks persist in their belief that prochoicers think abortion is "okay" -- what are they
telling you guys at the meetings? Is this to whip up feelings against us.
Abortion is not okay, but like other forms of killing which are ALSO not murder, it shouldnt be illegal.
Do you think abortion should be illegal -- what crime would it be? !st degree murder, with the
death penalty/life in jail?
Hexl702 7 months ago
@Hexl702 "Hexl believes in and fights for third-personhood!" - Hahaha :)
Well the idea is that if you know something is wrong, then you are against it, as one's conscience will not allow one to do otherwise. See: cognitive dissonance.
Well presumably those other forms of killing which are not *legally* defines as murder are still wrong, unless they are justified. Eg self-defence is justified. But killing someone who is innocent is not.
I think it should be illegal but I would focus on CONT
TheHardout2005 7 months ago
@TheHardout2005 ""If you kow something is wrong, then you are against it'""
Where am I saying that pro-lifters are not entitled to their opinion? Hell, I havent had any trouble
seeing 8348934859328943489 posts about how awful abortion is.
We know pro-loafers dont like abortion. We just ask that you not interfere with the woman's physical liberty and body autonomy.
Hexl702 7 months ago
@Hexl702 It's not about opinion, though. It's the application of a standard that is held worldwide which is being glossed over in this type of circumstance.
You know, I'm beginning to have a problem with Western society. We are so individualistic! Rights are a good system but consider that rights and freedoms DO have limits. Freedom of speech exists - but not for hatespeech. Bodily autonomy exists - but not for those in prison.If we don't restrict your definition of phys liberty,why not these2?
TheHardout2005 7 months ago
@Hexl702 CONT performer of the abortion, not so much the mother. So the performer would be performing some kind of muder, and the mother would perhaps be some kind of accessory to it (because I would liken it to paying a contract killer to murder someone for you). However the penalty might be less than that example because of the impersonal nature of abortion in certain subjective midsets.
But other than that I can't say I'm an expert in law - I'd leave it to the lawmakers, really.
TheHardout2005 7 months ago
@TheHardout2005 """performer of the abortion, not so much the mother""
Dr. doesnt do a damn thing until the woman says so. SHE gives the go-ahead. She
holds the "victim" still so it can be killed. If you really thought a fetus was an actual person, youd never let someone
off that lightly. Contract killers have received the death penalty.
Hexl702 7 months ago
@Hexl702 Well that's still precisely like a contract killer...
I don't WANT to let people off lightly - but to establish such a law would require some sort of leeway, even if it's a steadily decreasing amount of leeway over the years - kind of like raises in the minimum wage! The problem is that most pro-abortion people do not see an unborn child as a person. This is more a matter of the will than the intellect - they don't want to have to recognise the genocide happening in their own back yard
TheHardout2005 7 months ago
@TheHardout2005 thats the same way peta thinks about animals we eat everyday. and animals can actually think and feel pain when we kill them, unlike fetuses that get aborted, or people that get unplugged from life support. if peta cant change peoples minds, what makes you think prolife people will do any better?
payasoinfeliz 1 month ago
@payasoinfeliz Let me try understand this: we should only not kill those living things which feel pain. Is that right?
I saw a documentary about a little girl who felt no pain the other day. Is it okay to kill her? Or is an animal's life worth more.
And as a matter of fact, unborn humans (depending on their stage of development), can feel pain.
Hey, maybe I won't change any minds - although this is kind of a non-point. But I think I have a moral obligation to at least try.
TheHardout2005 1 month ago
@TheHardout2005 i eat meat and know animals experience pain because of my taste for meat. that answer your question? fetuses dont feel pain until well after week 20, by which time most places will not perform abortions anyway.
payasoinfeliz 1 month ago
@payasoinfeliz No I think that's way off the mark of any question I asked.
What I want to know, primarily, from you, is "Is is okay to kill something, so long as it doesn't feel pain (or else, its death is brought about painlessly)"?
What I'm doing, is showing you where you standard fails.
TheHardout2005 1 month ago
@TheHardout2005 if i knowingly eat animals that suffer pain, do you think pain makes any difference as to whether i think its ok to kill anything? think about it.
payasoinfeliz 1 month ago
@payasoinfeliz Excuse me? You're avoiding the question and changing the subject. The question is one of homicide (or you can extend it to animals, too, if you must), not about eating meat. You gotta kill somethin' to eat it, doncha'?
Sooo if you would do me the honour, I'd like you to answer my question. Then we can relate your answer to abortion (and not the entirely separate subject of ethical judgements on eating meat).
TheHardout2005 1 month ago
@TheHardout2005 ok, you are a little slow. i do not care if there is pain. if i cared about pain, i would not eat animals. but i do eat animals... because i do not care about pain. pain has absolutely no bearing on whether i think its ok to kill anything. clear now?
payasoinfeliz 1 month ago
@payasoinfeliz GREAT! So your previous comment about pain was entirely a non-point, correct? So no reason to use it in your argument - right?
And that was your whole argument...
TheHardout2005 1 month ago