not unstopible when Rome invated greece they easy crosset macedon and greeks! they took they shilds and but then against the pikes and then cut them of so its like u only have a stick so rome crossed them!
This is SHODDY. Ok it's a cheap show but they have people talking about how invincible a phalanx was whilst showing video of a few guys ambling around, arms length from each other, in a vague group. Remember '300', "each man covers the next from thigh to neck"
These guys should be standing squeezed in and shoulder to shoulder, each shield overlapping and each man almost propped up by the one behind. Any empty space is somewhere that would buckle if charged, the entire idea is to leave no spaces.
@toetapanter9 dude, you think he conquered the known world and DIDN'T consider this? A phalanx is weaker on it's right side, so veterans were always on the right of every rank, and the right side of the battleline was usually where entire veteran phalanxes were, as well as cavalry. Alexander typically attacked with his right-most units first then the others in a staggered advance, a tactic called a "refused flank" which - surprise surprise - covered any attack on his army's right flank.
@JossJossJoss1 This also meant that any enemy attacking a phalanx' weak right flank was going to end up pinned between it and the next phalanx to the right, as that one advanced. See - using your weaknesses to your advantage. Cool huh?
As for arrows, there has never been a way to fully protect against them. Big bronze shields and helmets helped and the vertically-held spears did too, like a forest of sticks that would knock a lot of arrows out of the air. But like I said, nothing was foolproof.
@JossJossJoss1 who's talking about the right flank? i assume you know that there are multiple flanks. besides, it was just a comment and i never asked you to explain anything now did i?
During Medieval times Zweihanders were developed in order to counter pikes, one bad thing about pike formations is the terrain one slope or hole could ruin everything.
its not invincible against cavalry, they can attack from the flanks, but if the flanks are well guarded, then yes, virtually invincible against cavalry but infantry could still get in between the pike and once the wall was broken, it was down to sword fighting, the Romans proved the phalanx wasn't exactly as invincible as it was thought to be.
@junkietomato their anti cavalry capabilities were a tad limted though, since the pilum wasnt really ment to hit someone in melee and so couldnt really be used to deter horses too well.
@spectraldistortion thats the reason the diadochi lost to the romans the cavalry: infantry ratio was tilted too far to the infantry meaning the men wernt properly supported, thus during the hellinistic period the casualty rates skyrocketed and got even higher against the romans
No, the metal on the ass end of a sarissa isn't a counterweight, it's a pointy bit that the rear ranks can use to finish off the troops that get trodden underfoot by the front 5 ranks.
hey you know what i think we will take a phalanx and make the spears incredibly longer... good thing no ones ever thought of that.... yah lets go conquer the known world with it
@Eagle027 Biggest misconception on "Conquering" is when conquere by battles only/ beating the other countrys army's for a short time is 1 thing but not asimulating the populace which take generations of control is another thing The Mongols never asimulated & changed the cultures of the armys they defeated. they did shit. they just beat army's and it was short lived. Mongols Never became a sophisticated civilization like Greece and Rome. So in essence the Mongols did not truly "Conquer" anybody.
@vinny543210 You only proved how ignorant of history you are. It was the Mongol conquest of China that forever changed world history. Mongols were open to new ideas, and it was Kublia Khan who interfaced with Europe and brought trade and Chinese advancement in science and government to the ignorant west. It was the Mongols who put in motion the European desire for eastern goods, that lead to the European arrival in the Americas.
@Eagle027 WOW big deal they affected china. a pin needle Not "world history" open to new ideas wow proves nothing. Interfaced with the Europe for a sort time so what? Ignorant west? HA The Roman Empire was the most advanced for over a 1000 yrs "Ruled and Controled" the world in all facets. Rome changed and made a lasting effect to the entire Western World. from Philosopy, language, sciences, law, wellbeing, all sophistications. Ask any historian, sry uncomparable. Huns uncivilized barbarians.
@vinny543210 If you took your head out of your bigoted lily white ass, you'd realize Rome controlled a thumbnail size of what is the world. Only contributions Rome gave the world were orgies, debauchery, and human sacrifice. Everything else you mention came from either the Greeks or Egyptians. To prove how ignorant you are, the world isn't the Mediterranean rim.
@vinny543210 The Alphabet come from the Phoenesians. English comes from German, the people who conquered Rome. Just because some ignorant perverted savages on the Tiber didn't know about the rest of the world, didn't mean somebody wasn't aware of it. The Han dynesty of China had already had the great wall 500 years before Hedrian. They had printing and gunpowder, plus civil service exams. Mayan were already using zero in math, and the Toltecs were aware of the Sirius binary star system.
@vinny543210 You're done debating with me, because you don't know shit and can't admit your small Eurocentric mind is ignorant. You call me a racist because its the only defense you have for your ineptitude. At a time Romans were cutting out the entrails of sheep to find out what they didn't know, the Chinese and Indians had libraries of knowledge. Toltecs had successful brain surgery. The Houdenosaunee had a written Constitutional government. Its your own racism keeps you ignorant.
@KerrTeves My suggestion to you is to go out and get an education. When you can converse in in proper English, we'll debate and in the meantime, eat shit and die, or Go back to sucking off your dog.
@Eagle027 funny boy, comedian, you are? stop trolling ok? they say something true and you come to do unecessary corrections. you sir have failed in the internet.
@KerrTeves You addressed me asshole. You also have made senseless attacks on my comments without so much as one shred of evidence to defend your mindless drivel. Now you get all sensitive when I call you for you, are, a complete uneducated idiot, now run along. Sorry, but your pathetic pronouncements are devoid of reality. Europeans are not the superior civilization they claim to be. You've already have been surpassed by the Americas, and soon China . You are part of a decaying society.
@KerrTeves When somebody lies about history, I will point it out and you can't stop me. If you believe rebuffing a delusion is disrespect, I can't help you. Sooner or later a child must know the tooth fairy isn't real.
Evidently you wish to remain a child. Confucius was dead over ten years before Socrates was born. The Chinese were printing three hundred years before Guttenburg was born.
@he didnt intend to lie, but you insist. ok, I understand, you believe you know everything, ok then. remember this, the internet hates that, stfu or gtfo. :)
@KerrTeves I never claimed I know everything, but I guess to a person of your intellect it might appear that I do. I just detest Euro-centric arrogance and conceit . You people are not nor have ever been the center of the universe . The claim that Alexander conquered most of the known world is absurd. Just look at a world map and see how ridicules that claim is. Its like taking pride in being ignorant. Asia and the Americas didn't exist because you didn't know about it?
@Zeubermench You know not many people take pride in their ignorance, you are the exception. Alexander's so called Empire was dwarfed by China, and certainly was scientifically and culturally inferior. "I don't know about it, so it don't exist" complete idiots. No wonder Europe is in decline. Before long you'll be back in mud huts.
@Eagle027 China and the greco-roman world were both very important. It's quite stupid to say that the second was dwarfed by the first, though. When the Chinese people didn't have the right to write the ideogram that represented their emperor, the greek people had a culture of democracy & a mentality that gave them the right to say: "Greeks are not called slaves or minions of anyone" (Aeschylus).
@Lhein33 Only one city state Athens was a democracy. China was united early history, Xia dynasty Greece wasn't. There were plenty of Greek slaves, ever heard of the Spartan helots. Maybe you should study history more before you make a further fool of yourself.
@Eagle027 When I speak about democracy I mean the concept and the ideal that a man exists primarily as citizen, as an organic part of the city (a term that in greek - πόλις - refers not to a great settlement but to a certain political way of existence). For the Greeks, even the cities that had kings, had assemblies of citizens (Apella etc) that had the right to pass laws.
@Eagle027 actually, it was the Crusades which largely introduced such changes (sacking and pillaging, anyone?), but Mongols (and the introducers such as Polo) did extend of the Western "lust" for luxury established ever since the Silk Roads that the West lost access to ever since the division of Rome. But then, your point was world isn't Eurocentric and I will not disagree with that! :)
@vinny543210 your post is as boring as it is stupid...Are you saying Kublai Kahn didn't have centres of culture in the east with the best poets, engineers and astronomers from all corners of the world. The Mongols prefered to let their subjects continue with their local beliefs while the Romans were little more barbarians who destroyed everything they came across. Name one Roman philosopher and mathematican. As for Greeks the only empire of note (macedonian) lasted for a few years.
@vinny543210 you had me until 'asimulating', you obviously have no idea what you are talking about. The Mongol Empire did EXACTLY what you say it did not. Decisive battles lead to a relatively peaceable and very technologically advanced empire, designed to accept all religions, run by a bureaucracy modeled on China's. It was the largest empire in the world and the exact reason that it DID succeed was that it successfully combined Chinese, Indian, Korean, Middle Eastern and European cultures.
@JossJossJoss1 Assimilated by Established Governance Taxes/ Laws Roman way of life & Language propitiated, The diff is ppl Rome conquered were “Romanized”. A Sophisticated Civilization unparalleled. Professional Army,Government,Science,Engineering,Medicine,Technology, alot borrowed but perfected. Any region worth anything in the known world it conquered. Any other 2nd rate power was pacified & in a submissive state. No other could rise against her, It Truly "controlled" the World. Mongols? No
@vinny543210 You seem to have a weird kink for Rome, like you've only ever read about that and not, say, Persia, or the Mongol Empire. Basically, you obviously don't know what you're talking about. Also "pacified & in a submissive state" is tautological, you capitalised a whole mess of unnecessary words, you can't construct proper sentences and you mis-used 'propitiated' (propagated?)
@JossJossJoss1 Masters, Ancient History bub :) Obviously U seem to Not know the "Depth" of them or one would realize the extensive differences. Save the pseudo intelligent front Plz don't flatter urself, its youtube not a fucking grammard essay.. I'm sure I've "forgot more than u will ever know" on the subject & in general lol. Tautological? nah pacified describes what was inflicted, submissive state describes there position. Propagated? hardly, Propitiated is appropriate, u waste my time, Bye.
@vinny543210 no-one with a masters in ancient history uses a word like 'asimulating', or misspells 'countries'. Maybe, MAYBE if you'd said 'high school' I'd have taken you for a pretty dim example, but you - in university? LOL
@vinny543210 You conquer by beating the enemy and that's it, none of the bullshit your typing. Mongols actually used their heads; Rome got big because of her pathetic enemies.
@vinny543210 Didn't the Mongols just want treasure and glory? They certainly acheived their goals in this way but no... They didn't exactly spread their language, culture or anything like that.
@vinny543210 that doesn't do justice to Mongol history and the true extent of their dominance. The last Mongol empire, i.e. the Mughal Empire, fell in the 1800s. Throughout that time, the Asian plateau was dominated by Mongol peoples and empires. The Mongols didn't conquer, the decimated, and turned the lands they conquered into pastures. The reason why their empires suffered from instability wasn't that the mongols couldn't control their enemies, it was their own internal conflicts.
@vinny543210 well the mongols did take over more then half of the known world almost or most likely. and after genghis khan and his grandson kublai khan some 50 yrs or so later, they set their marks in many countries, like when persia got all sacked and raped by the mongols. many countries became vassals though. but still pple like timur leng had blood from the great khan and also the Mughals with akbar as the first important mughal king like 200-300 yrs after the mongols.
@vinny543210 the mongol's totally kicked ass when they wanted too.The Khwarezemi was totally fucked up, that nothing was left of them.The mongol religion ,and Mongol sense of justice only SHOWED when ppl fucked with them.
@vinny543210 The Mongols had more impact on world history then either Rome or Greece. They brought the more advanced achievements of the Chinese to Europe. The push for exploration to the western hemisphere began with the Mongols. All the explorers were looking for routes to trade with the east.
Alexandros used the Greek myths and declared himself a son of a Greek god. But for the classic southern greeks Macedonia was not part of the high culture. The Macedonian speech was regarded by the Greeks of Ionic, Doric and Aeolic dialects as a backward brogue, but there was no doubt that their speech was Greek. Aristotle held that people who were ruled by a king had to be so ruled because they lacked the intelligence to govern themselves. Culturally backward. Apart from court he was right.
@macedonian777 omg..here it goes again...im not trying to steel your identity but you must some time realize that the hole thing you have learn to school is false, is a trick. Greece in ancient times were not ONE country.there were not countries back then as we know them now.You may say Egypt was one country,yes was one but there were not many cities in Egypt with so much power as in Greece.Athens didnt want to be rulled by Sparta for example and vice versa.So they had war.BUT,..
@macedonian777 BUT, they all were GREEK cities. You will ask why?And i will answer you.They were all speaking greek,they were all believed in the same religion, they were all used same currency (drachmas) and many many more (i dont have tha space to wright about them now).
If we think they way you from FYROM think, than Athens and Sparta were not greek cities.And who was greek than? the nothing?
Why you speak slabic if you are macedonians?why pella the hometown of alexander is in greece?Answer..
@macedonian777 do you know what alexander or (Αλέξανδρος) means? no you dont cause its greek word. Do you know what filipp (Φίλιππος) means?no again. I know because im greek and most of the ancient greek names if not all, mean something. so please think before you wright something.Everything they teach you doesnt mean that is true..in fact nothing its true from what you are people learning.
@phoenix1925 then do you know what "Macedonia" means? And before you decide to write that stupidity about "Highland" do some research of your own and you will discover you were not shown the truth and that Macedonia was another civilisation that had (and still has) nothing to do with the greeks, so as to why Aegean Macedonia has to be part of Greece is still unclear...
@maques76 first of all you didnt answered to my questions.Do you know what these names mean?I know what they mean.
Secondly, where do you base what you say?You dont have arguments,I have.You dont have facts,I have.
3rd,Why all historic sources and historians (not greek) say that macedonia and alexander was greek?
4rd,why do all the ancient monuments in skopia have greek sentences?Tell me why?If for just a second say that you are right,why the fuck you speak deferent language than your ancestor?
@maques76 You say that macedonia was an other civilisation that had nothing to do with greeks.THAN WHY THEY WERE SPEAKING GREEK you shithead?Why they had GREEK NAMES?The fact that alexander's teacher was Aristotelis doesnt mean anything to you?Or Aristotelis wasnt greek too? You are fucking MORONS that say things that come from nowhere.. You cant prove not even a single thing, you just talk and say the fake history you've been teached.
@maques76 shut up you asshole phoenix has right in 1992 Fyrom stated that its not anchestor of Macedonians they are pure slavs Fyrom created by USSR and fyromians came from albania and bulgaria you are a hailess spanish chipsie like your own history say
@phoenix1925 then do you know what "Macedonia" means? And before you decide to write that stupidity about "Highland" do some research of your own and you will discover Macedonia was another civilisation that had (and still has) nothing to do with the greeks, so as to why Aegean Macedonia has to be part of Greece is still unclear...
@maques76 shut up you asshole phoenix has right in 1992 Fyrom stated that its not anchestor of Macedonians they are pure slavs Fyrom created by USSR and fyromians came from albania and bulgaria you are a hailess spanish chipsie like your own history say
Alexander the Great's mother's name was OLYMPIAS. Not some shitty Slavic name - fuck off Slav scum, stop stealing Greek history and portraying it as your own.
ΜΑΚΕΔΝΟΣ= MAKEDNOS FROM THE GREEK WORD MAKOS=HIGHLANDER. THE WORD ALEXANDROS=GREEK FROM THE ALEX=AGAINST AND ANDROS=MAN. FILLIPOS=FILOS=FRIEND HIPPOS=HORSE. WELCOME TO THE GREEK WORLD.
@Ibelieve4567 Makedonia derives from the word Makedon... you wish it derives from the greek but it doesnt. Macedonians had already an established culture, language and country (as much as it may hurt your ego)before you! Which reminds me... what is the meaning of the word "Greece"? Nothing! Because your people are hellenes. You dont even know what you are!
Anyway, what is more important, I cant wait to see the expiry date of the treaty of Bucharest, and you? Welcome to the greek lies!
@maques76 Actually, Makedonia derives from the word Μακεδνος, meaning tall/giant. Lolout? The name Greece is actually an anglicized term of the Roman name for Hellas, Graecia.
Well, I'd love to see ancient scripts written in Slavic naming Alexandros Aleksandar! (but then, I never will.)
@iseeallforme you're an idiot...your reference to slavic is invalid...just because people speak that dialect in that region doesn't make their claiming Alexander illegitimate...after all Greeks today don't speak the same language as in the time of Alexander. Instead of this bullshit about history how bout you grt the Greeks off their fat arses and do some work to get their financially and morally bankrupt country out of hock...before you all really become slaves
@alfreddegreat Actually, It does. Slavs came a millenia after the Ancient Kingdom of Makedon and the founding fathers of the Modern Republic of "Macedonia" proudly called themselves Bulgarian. Also, the region that is now called "Macedonia" is actually included in Yugoslavia by the name of Vardarska.
@iseeallforme if ignorance is bliss you must be truly exstatic...Vardar was the main river in the region not the state...in any case this discussion is no longer funny anymore I'll go and annoy other half-wit's ...not unlike yourself...are you really such a loser and have nothing to live for today that you dredge up events from 2500 years ago...does it really matter...like I said I'm bored with you now don't bother responding, I'm not interested
@alfreddegreat But then ignorance isn't bliss. Well, but the people of Former Yugoslav Republic of "Macedonia" does claim that, although they call the language "Macedonian" after making a few modification to the Bulgarian script. Don't believe me? See for yourself. But I'd like to bother you so that you can enlighten me to your glorious wisdom: how is interest in history a thing of the half-wits?
@alfreddegreat Well, Alexandros didn't speak Slavic (the language wouldn't be introduced to the Balkans for a millenia after Alexandros) for sure! The Greek language evolved (Alexandros spoke Koine, which evolved from Ancient Greek, that would evolve into Byzantine and eventually the modern Greek)
@alfreddegreat So, Mr."you're an idiot," I'd love to see what you can conjure against the Greek claim on Alexandros that is supported by most respectable scholars around the world. I'd also love to see how Greeks live in a morally bankrupt (other than the no drinking age, that is) country and how it relates to Alexandros not being Greek.
@iseeallforme the lady doth protest too much...I don't think anyone claimed Alexander spoke slavic...but that doesn't mean the slavic speaking people in Macedonia don't have a claim to the history of their region (by the way I'm not Macedonian so I don't really care) by your reckonning English people don't have a claim to the history of Alfred the great because they now speak a derivative language of Anglo/Saxon...history is all about migration and inter marriage...you're boring, get a life !!!
@Ibelieve4567 Makedonia derives from the word Makedon... you wish it derives from the greek but it doesnt. Macedonians had already an established culture, language and country (as much as it may hurt your ego) before you! Which reminds me... what is the meaning of the word "Greece"? Nothing!!! Because your people are hellenes. You dont even know what you are!
Anyway, what is more important, I cant wait to see the expiry date of the treaty of Bucharest, and you??? Welcome to the greek lies!
@Ibelieve4567 Makedonia derives from the word Makedon... you wish it derives from the greek but it doesnt. Macedonians had already an established culture, language and country (as much as it may hurt your ego)before you! Which reminds me... what is the meaning of the word "Greece"? Nothing! Because your people are hellenes. You dont even know what you are!
Anyway, what is more important, I cant wait to see the expiry date of the treaty of Bucharest, and you? Welcome to the greek lies!
@Ibelieve4567 Makedonia derives from the word Makedon... you wish it derives from the greek but it doesnt. Macedonians had already an established culture, language and country (as much as it may hurt your ego)before you! Which reminds me... what is the meaning of the word "Greece"? Nothing! Because your people are hellenes. You dont even know what you are!
Anyway, what is more important, I cant wait to see the expiry date of the treaty of Bucharest, and you? Welcome to the greek lies!
take a look at the fat old ugly bastards in the in the live re-enactment of the phalanx at 1:24, then look at the tall muscular CG warriors at 1:28. fucking funny.
Listen Greeks, lets not forget what we saw in the movie and how Aristotle MADE A POINT of LYING in his scripture about Alexanders death and told the writer to say he died of an illness rather than being poisoned by his own soldiers because they wanted to go home and see their families and stop fighting. This shows two things. 1) Greeks lie about everything and can never tell the truth. 2) This goes to show how much scriptures get changed over time and how easily the truth can become a lie.
@hoplitespao Yep, isn't an answer, tell me. Which Hollywood movie showed Jews building the pyramids? If you say DeMille's Ten Commandments, go back and look again. They had them building a city, not pyramids. Even DeMille knew all pyramids were built hundreds to over a thousand years before Ramses II
@hoplitespao Hollywood shows jews building piramids as slaves working there. I think thats true since Jews were supposed to be slaves to Egypt. Of course the masterminds and the architects were Egyptians.
@xXAverageDudeXx Listen to who is lying now.....a 23 year old who hasn't yet learned to wipe his bum properly after toilet.........who made the movie IDIOT....your mates the Yanks who support the SKOPIANS because they fear unity in Europe....IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN VARDARSKA AND IT SHOULD STAY THAT WAY....HELLENIC MACEDONIA, UNFORTUNATELY WAS SPLIT BY OUR SO CALLED FRIENDS INTO THREE AND YOU DO NOT HEAR ANY OTHER SHAREHOLDERS CALLING THEMSELVES MACEDONIANS.....GO AWAY BOY.....
3) Patriarch Euthymius of Turnovo (Patriarch of Bulgaria between 1375 and 1393) in his Hagiography of St. Ilarion Maglenski wrote about the Bulgarian Char Kaloyan:
He was very brave, then, CONQUERED a large part of the GREEK LAND, namely Thrace and MACEDONIA, the Tribalia and Dalmatia,
2) On 14 July 1429 (!!!!!!!!!!!), the Senate gave formal replies to a detailed petition presented by an embassy representing the GREEK POPULATION OF THESSALONICA, showing that the inhabitants had become disenchanted with Venetian rule as they years had passed.
The Papacy and the Levant, 1204-1571 Vol. 2: The Fifteenth Century By Kenneth Meyer Setton, page 28
3) Patriarch Euthymius of Turnovo (Patriarch of Bulgaria between 1375 and 1393) in his Hagiography of St. Ilarion Maglenski wrote about the Bulgarian Char Kaloyan:
He was very brave, then, CONQUERED a large part of the GREEK LAND, namely Thrace and MACEDONIA, the Tribalia and Dalmatia,
2) On 14 July 1429 (!!!!!!!!!!!), the Senate gave formal replies to a detailed petition presented by an embassy representing the GREEK POPULATION OF THESSALONICA, showing that the inhabitants had become disenchanted with Venetian rule as they years had passed.
The Papacy and the Levant, 1204-1571 Vol. 2: The Fifteenth Century By Kenneth Meyer Setton, page 28
Fyrom lands were never included in ancient macedonia kingdoms except 3-4% in the south.
After found an inscripted stone in the south of Fyrom they put it in the entrance of government building in Skopje for the pride of Ancient Macedonians :
μακεδονιαρχων των ναων τη πατριδι συν παντι τω κοσμω τω θκτ' ετει
I m sure it will be easy for fyromians without a greek-slavic translator to translate the language of their suposed ancestors ha ha ha
Ancient Macedonian kingdom in which period? In one period Ancient Macedonia was only Pella and very small region. It doesn't means that Salonika is not Macedonia for example! :)
@Blad771 I tottaly agree with you.... I talk for exemple during the peloponissos war 431 BC ( Thessaloniki was not in macedonia land before Philippos )
The concept of Macedonia REGION (included Fyrom, Greece, Bulgaria,...) was made during ottoman empire. As rulers of the region they defined Macedonia (with modern countries) as a province.
And as rulers Hilmi Pasha 1906 made a census of Macedonia province and they noticed that no ethnic macedonians were there but ... bulgarians, greeks, turks, serbs,...
It's because in the Ottoman Empire the Macedonian nation was not recognized like a different nation. However there are censuses in which the Macedonian nation is showed as separated, and there are old maps in which it's showed with different color too.
However it's stupid to say "Ancient Macedonia was from here to here" because Ancient Macedonia in different periods was different territory!
@Blad771 which census? All census before your independance showed not ethnic macedonians but Slavs (as Gligorov said in 1992) or Bulgarians (as Delchev said in his letter)
- In the Bible the nationalities mentioned in MAcedonia were Greeks, Romans and Jews
- In a census in the 13-14th they talked about the greek population
- and in a biography of a bulgarian tzar he was proud to conquer greek land : Thracia, Macedonia,....
There is no ethnic group called Slavs, the Macedonians were showed as Slavs but it's because big part of our origin is from the Slavs (language for example), of course it doesn't means that we are 100.00 Slavs because when Slavs came they mixed with the local people and created the modern Macedonian nation, in all documents and old maps is written that the Greeks in Macedonia are around 200 000 and they lives south from Salonika where in the Ancient times were the Greek colonies.
" I have received all the letters sent by you and through you. Let us not allow the splits and splintering to frighten us. It is, indeed, a pity, but what can we do, since WE ARE BULGARIANS and all suffer from one common disease. If this disease had not been present in our ancestors, from whom we inherited it, they would have never fallen under the sceptre of the Turkish Sultan... "
Patriarch Euthymius of Turnovo (Patriarch of Bulgaria between 1375 and 1393) in his " Hagiography of St. Ilarion Maglenski " wrote about the Bulgarian Char Kaloyan :
" He was very brave, then, conquered a large part of the GREEK LAND, namely Thrace and MACEDONIA, the Tribalia and Dalmatia, in those added Neada (sic) and Ellada and still Aitolia. "
According to a Turkish census of Hilmi Pasha in 1906, in the area of Macedonia lived:
423,000 or 41.71% Turks
259,000 or 27.30% Greeks
178,000 or 18.81% BULGARIANS
13,150 or 1.39% Serbs
73,000 or 7.72% others
It must be noticed here that the Turkish archives are quite indicating of the situation, since, as the rulers of the area, they would certainly emphasize the existence of a "Macedonian" nation if they noticed any, in order to divide the people.
If you try to use your brain a little bit, you would see that in the Ottoman Empire the Macedonian nation was not recognized, and if you follow my quote you would see that there were people who were saying that are Ethnic Macedonians. So this is one truth which is easy to understand a average-IQ person.
3) Patriarch Euthymius of Turnovo (Patriarch of Bulgaria between 1375 and 1393) in his Hagiography of St. Ilarion Maglenski wrote about the Bulgarian Char Kaloyan:
He was very brave, then, CONQUERED a large part of the GREEK LAND, namely Thrace and MACEDONIA, the Tribalia and Dalmatia,
3) Patriarch Euthymius of Turnovo (Patriarch of Bulgaria between 1375 and 1393) in his Hagiography of St. Ilarion Maglenski wrote about the Bulgarian Char Kaloyan:
He was very brave, then, CONQUERED a large part of the GREEK LAND, namely Thrace and MACEDONIA, the Tribalia and Dalmatia,
2) On 14 July 1429 (!!!!!!!!!!!), the Senate gave formal replies to a detailed petition presented by an embassy representing the GREEK POPULATION OF THESSALONICA, showing that the inhabitants had become disenchanted with Venetian rule as they years had passed.
The Papacy and the Levant, 1204-1571 Vol. 2: The Fifteenth Century By Kenneth Meyer Setton, page 28
@Blad771 actually there is no doubt that the romans were.. but if we are realistic it s not really possbile to say because both got their great times in different centuries
The Romans were following the steps of the Macedonians and we were their idols. Also the idols of the Roman kings and imperators was always Alexander.
@Blad771 no they didnt follow the steps of the macedonians,if they did they would of tried and expanded east only and used the phalanx formations. and tactics.If they were thier idols they would of not conquered them
Read the biographies of th Roman leaders and you will see that their greatest idol was Alexander, also same with the steps of the roman empire. This says the historians in documentaries like this one, not me.
@Blad771 Yhe thier greatest idol was alexander along with many other cultures.But they didnt follow in the steps of him,thier politics,military,and empire are were completely different
@Blad771 many ancient greek armies were good. you cant compare them.some periods macedonia was more powerful some periods athens was the ruler,some other sparta..you cant realy say which was the best army because they all were very good.
@vinny543210, not talking about the Greeks. But if you know history you would know that the idols of the Romans were the Macedonians and Aleksandar.... :)
0:09 Taken from Battle For Middle Earth!?
Swooooords!
N0Tomorrow 1 week ago
like if you see the midget phalangite!
RadSacredBand 1 month ago
For every ignorant or propagandist:
Look where "GREECE" is in the end of the vid.
uber1926 4 months ago
i think those macedonians r compensating for something. seriously who needs a 20 ft long stabby stick?
Sheldoggy1 5 months ago
not unstopible when Rome invated greece they easy crosset macedon and greeks! they took they shilds and but then against the pikes and then cut them of so its like u only have a stick so rome crossed them!
sweAndreasFilm 7 months ago
1:16 ROME TOTAL WAR LoL
flamedone991 7 months ago
1:52 :)
Nothing more to say.
ichalkias13 8 months ago
This is SHODDY. Ok it's a cheap show but they have people talking about how invincible a phalanx was whilst showing video of a few guys ambling around, arms length from each other, in a vague group. Remember '300', "each man covers the next from thigh to neck"
These guys should be standing squeezed in and shoulder to shoulder, each shield overlapping and each man almost propped up by the one behind. Any empty space is somewhere that would buckle if charged, the entire idea is to leave no spaces.
JossJossJoss1 9 months ago
Does anyone know how heavy those pikes of that length generally were? I imagine you had to be pretty strong and athletic to wield those.
sourcemaster 9 months ago
what show is this from?
jabames 9 months ago
@jabames History channel
aminoacid1648856 9 months ago
when they face archers, or a commander that knows the word "flanking" they're fucked.
toetapanter9 9 months ago
@toetapanter9 dude, you think he conquered the known world and DIDN'T consider this? A phalanx is weaker on it's right side, so veterans were always on the right of every rank, and the right side of the battleline was usually where entire veteran phalanxes were, as well as cavalry. Alexander typically attacked with his right-most units first then the others in a staggered advance, a tactic called a "refused flank" which - surprise surprise - covered any attack on his army's right flank.
JossJossJoss1 9 months ago
@JossJossJoss1 This also meant that any enemy attacking a phalanx' weak right flank was going to end up pinned between it and the next phalanx to the right, as that one advanced. See - using your weaknesses to your advantage. Cool huh?
As for arrows, there has never been a way to fully protect against them. Big bronze shields and helmets helped and the vertically-held spears did too, like a forest of sticks that would knock a lot of arrows out of the air. But like I said, nothing was foolproof.
JossJossJoss1 9 months ago
@JossJossJoss1 who's talking about the right flank? i assume you know that there are multiple flanks. besides, it was just a comment and i never asked you to explain anything now did i?
toetapanter9 9 months ago
For ever,Macedonian Greece! Glory and Pride to king Phillip of Macedon, one of the greatest hellenic kings.
Glory to the macedonian phalanx!
MACEDONIAN GREECE
SenatorSV40biotech 9 months ago
F*CK GREECE!!!
zeznatdodaska 10 months ago
@zeznatdodaska F*CK yourself you pathetic macadoniar.
MariosBody 10 months ago
During Medieval times Zweihanders were developed in order to counter pikes, one bad thing about pike formations is the terrain one slope or hole could ruin everything.
shan9usfc 11 months ago
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@ThePetardaProductions
Ancient Macedonians were Dorian Greeks and not Bulgarians like you, get real!
SPARTANsenator7 11 months ago
phalanx is the perfect killing machine
Elendil395 1 year ago
@Elendil395 Yep. It's virtually invincible against infantry and cavalry.
junkietomato 11 months ago
@junkietomato
its not invincible against cavalry, they can attack from the flanks, but if the flanks are well guarded, then yes, virtually invincible against cavalry but infantry could still get in between the pike and once the wall was broken, it was down to sword fighting, the Romans proved the phalanx wasn't exactly as invincible as it was thought to be.
spectraldistortion 11 months ago
@spectraldistortion yeah the Romans pretty much perfected melee combat.
junkietomato 11 months ago
@junkietomato their anti cavalry capabilities were a tad limted though, since the pilum wasnt really ment to hit someone in melee and so couldnt really be used to deter horses too well.
elgostine 11 months ago
@spectraldistortion thats the reason the diadochi lost to the romans the cavalry: infantry ratio was tilted too far to the infantry meaning the men wernt properly supported, thus during the hellinistic period the casualty rates skyrocketed and got even higher against the romans
elgostine 11 months ago
МАКЕДОНИЈА НА МАКЕДОНЦИТЕ !
ThePetardaProduction 1 year ago
the macaronian phalanx sucks,
goatrek 1 year ago
i hear they use the Total War game engine in this program.
ajre82 1 year ago
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MACEDONIANS ARE GREEKS
MACEDONIAN LANGUAGE IS GREEK
unfukkkmee 1 year ago
only the front soldier had a shield
mercyfulbill 1 year ago
Counterweight?
No, the metal on the ass end of a sarissa isn't a counterweight, it's a pointy bit that the rear ranks can use to finish off the troops that get trodden underfoot by the front 5 ranks.
Unwardil 1 year ago
@Unwardil it serves both purposes dickwad
alfreddegreat 1 year ago
hey you know what i think we will take a phalanx and make the spears incredibly longer... good thing no ones ever thought of that.... yah lets go conquer the known world with it
misternicksir 1 year ago
1:25
who the fuck would recruit a fucking midget like that into the ancient worlds second best war machine(the first is the roman).
again and again. history channel fails us.
XDlolzilla 1 year ago 3
@XDlolzilla LOL i didnt spot him til you mentioned it. props
xd4ve 1 year ago
Of course, you can't even compare them with the Macedonians! -.-
*Macedonians conquered most of the known world at that time and Spartans done almost nothing, only local wars.
Blad771 1 year ago
@Blad771 Known by who? Europeans? Are you claiming pride in being ignorant?
Eagle027 1 year ago
@Blad771 Only one man in world history can claim to have conquered most of the known world or close to it. Temujin the Mongol.
Eagle027 1 year ago
@Eagle027 Biggest misconception on "Conquering" is when conquere by battles only/ beating the other countrys army's for a short time is 1 thing but not asimulating the populace which take generations of control is another thing The Mongols never asimulated & changed the cultures of the armys they defeated. they did shit. they just beat army's and it was short lived. Mongols Never became a sophisticated civilization like Greece and Rome. So in essence the Mongols did not truly "Conquer" anybody.
vinny543210 1 year ago 24
@vinny543210 You only proved how ignorant of history you are. It was the Mongol conquest of China that forever changed world history. Mongols were open to new ideas, and it was Kublia Khan who interfaced with Europe and brought trade and Chinese advancement in science and government to the ignorant west. It was the Mongols who put in motion the European desire for eastern goods, that lead to the European arrival in the Americas.
Eagle027 1 year ago
@Eagle027 WOW big deal they affected china. a pin needle Not "world history" open to new ideas wow proves nothing. Interfaced with the Europe for a sort time so what? Ignorant west? HA The Roman Empire was the most advanced for over a 1000 yrs "Ruled and Controled" the world in all facets. Rome changed and made a lasting effect to the entire Western World. from Philosopy, language, sciences, law, wellbeing, all sophistications. Ask any historian, sry uncomparable. Huns uncivilized barbarians.
vinny543210 1 year ago 13
@vinny543210 If you took your head out of your bigoted lily white ass, you'd realize Rome controlled a thumbnail size of what is the world. Only contributions Rome gave the world were orgies, debauchery, and human sacrifice. Everything else you mention came from either the Greeks or Egyptians. To prove how ignorant you are, the world isn't the Mediterranean rim.
Eagle027 1 year ago
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vinny543210 1 year ago
@vinny543210 The Alphabet come from the Phoenesians. English comes from German, the people who conquered Rome. Just because some ignorant perverted savages on the Tiber didn't know about the rest of the world, didn't mean somebody wasn't aware of it. The Han dynesty of China had already had the great wall 500 years before Hedrian. They had printing and gunpowder, plus civil service exams. Mayan were already using zero in math, and the Toltecs were aware of the Sirius binary star system.
Eagle027 1 year ago
@vinny543210 You're done debating with me, because you don't know shit and can't admit your small Eurocentric mind is ignorant. You call me a racist because its the only defense you have for your ineptitude. At a time Romans were cutting out the entrails of sheep to find out what they didn't know, the Chinese and Indians had libraries of knowledge. Toltecs had successful brain surgery. The Houdenosaunee had a written Constitutional government. Its your own racism keeps you ignorant.
Eagle027 1 year ago
@Eagle027 why do you sound so stupid? please sound more stupid, entertain me, dog.
KerrTeves 4 months ago
@KerrTeves Bet you stayed up all night thinking of that response. Bet you have also deluded yourself into thinking you are clever.
Eagle027 4 months ago
@Eagle027 yawn, why are you so boring, please make my dog go bored he bark too much due to your retarded know-it-alls that no one cares.
KerrTeves 4 months ago
@KerrTeves My suggestion to you is to go out and get an education. When you can converse in in proper English, we'll debate and in the meantime, eat shit and die, or Go back to sucking off your dog.
Eagle027 4 months ago
@Eagle027 funny boy, comedian, you are? stop trolling ok? they say something true and you come to do unecessary corrections. you sir have failed in the internet.
KerrTeves 4 months ago
@KerrTeves You addressed me asshole. You also have made senseless attacks on my comments without so much as one shred of evidence to defend your mindless drivel. Now you get all sensitive when I call you for you, are, a complete uneducated idiot, now run along. Sorry, but your pathetic pronouncements are devoid of reality. Europeans are not the superior civilization they claim to be. You've already have been surpassed by the Americas, and soon China . You are part of a decaying society.
Eagle027 4 months ago
@Eagle027 your the disrespecting others, clearly your a complete ignorant on the outside world. so please stfu and get back to your pre-school.
KerrTeves 4 months ago
@KerrTeves When somebody lies about history, I will point it out and you can't stop me. If you believe rebuffing a delusion is disrespect, I can't help you. Sooner or later a child must know the tooth fairy isn't real.
Evidently you wish to remain a child. Confucius was dead over ten years before Socrates was born. The Chinese were printing three hundred years before Guttenburg was born.
Eagle027 4 months ago
@he didnt intend to lie, but you insist. ok, I understand, you believe you know everything, ok then. remember this, the internet hates that, stfu or gtfo. :)
KerrTeves 4 months ago
@KerrTeves I never claimed I know everything, but I guess to a person of your intellect it might appear that I do. I just detest Euro-centric arrogance and conceit . You people are not nor have ever been the center of the universe . The claim that Alexander conquered most of the known world is absurd. Just look at a world map and see how ridicules that claim is. Its like taking pride in being ignorant. Asia and the Americas didn't exist because you didn't know about it?
Eagle027 4 months ago
@Eagle027 lol so much effort. such pity that no one cares.
KerrTeves 4 months ago
@KerrTeves Asshole, you cared enough to address me and whine like a girlieman. Now fuck off!!!!!!!
Eagle027 4 months ago
@Eagle027 no you.
KerrTeves 4 months ago
@Eagle027 They conquered the KNOWN world.
Zeubermench 3 months ago
@Zeubermench You know not many people take pride in their ignorance, you are the exception. Alexander's so called Empire was dwarfed by China, and certainly was scientifically and culturally inferior. "I don't know about it, so it don't exist" complete idiots. No wonder Europe is in decline. Before long you'll be back in mud huts.
Eagle027 3 months ago
@Eagle027 China and the greco-roman world were both very important. It's quite stupid to say that the second was dwarfed by the first, though. When the Chinese people didn't have the right to write the ideogram that represented their emperor, the greek people had a culture of democracy & a mentality that gave them the right to say: "Greeks are not called slaves or minions of anyone" (Aeschylus).
Lhein33 6 days ago
@Lhein33 Only one city state Athens was a democracy. China was united early history, Xia dynasty Greece wasn't. There were plenty of Greek slaves, ever heard of the Spartan helots. Maybe you should study history more before you make a further fool of yourself.
Eagle027 5 days ago
@Eagle027 When I speak about democracy I mean the concept and the ideal that a man exists primarily as citizen, as an organic part of the city (a term that in greek - πόλις - refers not to a great settlement but to a certain political way of existence). For the Greeks, even the cities that had kings, had assemblies of citizens (Apella etc) that had the right to pass laws.
Of course the ancient Chinese had slaves too.
Lhein33 2 days ago
@Eagle027 actually, it was the Crusades which largely introduced such changes (sacking and pillaging, anyone?), but Mongols (and the introducers such as Polo) did extend of the Western "lust" for luxury established ever since the Silk Roads that the West lost access to ever since the division of Rome. But then, your point was world isn't Eurocentric and I will not disagree with that! :)
iseeallforme 1 year ago
@vinny543210 your post is as boring as it is stupid...Are you saying Kublai Kahn didn't have centres of culture in the east with the best poets, engineers and astronomers from all corners of the world. The Mongols prefered to let their subjects continue with their local beliefs while the Romans were little more barbarians who destroyed everything they came across. Name one Roman philosopher and mathematican. As for Greeks the only empire of note (macedonian) lasted for a few years.
alfreddegreat 1 year ago
@vinny543210 you had me until 'asimulating', you obviously have no idea what you are talking about. The Mongol Empire did EXACTLY what you say it did not. Decisive battles lead to a relatively peaceable and very technologically advanced empire, designed to accept all religions, run by a bureaucracy modeled on China's. It was the largest empire in the world and the exact reason that it DID succeed was that it successfully combined Chinese, Indian, Korean, Middle Eastern and European cultures.
JossJossJoss1 9 months ago
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vinny543210 9 months ago
@JossJossJoss1 Assimilated by Established Governance Taxes/ Laws Roman way of life & Language propitiated, The diff is ppl Rome conquered were “Romanized”. A Sophisticated Civilization unparalleled. Professional Army,Government,Science,Engineering,Medicine,Technology, alot borrowed but perfected. Any region worth anything in the known world it conquered. Any other 2nd rate power was pacified & in a submissive state. No other could rise against her, It Truly "controlled" the World. Mongols? No
vinny543210 9 months ago 6
@vinny543210 You seem to have a weird kink for Rome, like you've only ever read about that and not, say, Persia, or the Mongol Empire. Basically, you obviously don't know what you're talking about. Also "pacified & in a submissive state" is tautological, you capitalised a whole mess of unnecessary words, you can't construct proper sentences and you mis-used 'propitiated' (propagated?)
JossJossJoss1 9 months ago
@JossJossJoss1 Masters, Ancient History bub :) Obviously U seem to Not know the "Depth" of them or one would realize the extensive differences. Save the pseudo intelligent front Plz don't flatter urself, its youtube not a fucking grammard essay.. I'm sure I've "forgot more than u will ever know" on the subject & in general lol. Tautological? nah pacified describes what was inflicted, submissive state describes there position. Propagated? hardly, Propitiated is appropriate, u waste my time, Bye.
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@vinny543210 no-one with a masters in ancient history uses a word like 'asimulating', or misspells 'countries'. Maybe, MAYBE if you'd said 'high school' I'd have taken you for a pretty dim example, but you - in university? LOL
JossJossJoss1 9 months ago
@vinny543210 You conquer by beating the enemy and that's it, none of the bullshit your typing. Mongols actually used their heads; Rome got big because of her pathetic enemies.
PTR131 8 months ago
@vinny543210 Didn't the Mongols just want treasure and glory? They certainly acheived their goals in this way but no... They didn't exactly spread their language, culture or anything like that.
way2tehdawn 7 months ago
@vinny543210 that doesn't do justice to Mongol history and the true extent of their dominance. The last Mongol empire, i.e. the Mughal Empire, fell in the 1800s. Throughout that time, the Asian plateau was dominated by Mongol peoples and empires. The Mongols didn't conquer, the decimated, and turned the lands they conquered into pastures. The reason why their empires suffered from instability wasn't that the mongols couldn't control their enemies, it was their own internal conflicts.
TheTokkin 7 months ago
@vinny543210 well the mongols did take over more then half of the known world almost or most likely. and after genghis khan and his grandson kublai khan some 50 yrs or so later, they set their marks in many countries, like when persia got all sacked and raped by the mongols. many countries became vassals though. but still pple like timur leng had blood from the great khan and also the Mughals with akbar as the first important mughal king like 200-300 yrs after the mongols.
ROMEMoussolini 6 months ago
@vinny543210 the mongol's totally kicked ass when they wanted too.The Khwarezemi was totally fucked up, that nothing was left of them.The mongol religion ,and Mongol sense of justice only SHOWED when ppl fucked with them.
interstellarwonder 5 months ago
@vinny543210 The Mongols had more impact on world history then either Rome or Greece. They brought the more advanced achievements of the Chinese to Europe. The push for exploration to the western hemisphere began with the Mongols. All the explorers were looking for routes to trade with the east.
Eagle027 4 months ago
@vinny543210 well, they didnt conquer, but they destroyed
capenati 3 months ago
Alexandros used the Greek myths and declared himself a son of a Greek god. But for the classic southern greeks Macedonia was not part of the high culture. The Macedonian speech was regarded by the Greeks of Ionic, Doric and Aeolic dialects as a backward brogue, but there was no doubt that their speech was Greek. Aristotle held that people who were ruled by a king had to be so ruled because they lacked the intelligence to govern themselves. Culturally backward. Apart from court he was right.
crematio 1 year ago
Greeks want to be Macedonians haha you have funny dreams...
Your name is Greece and reconciled with that. Don't theft my identity !
I'M MACEDONIAN, AND I'M PROUD !
macedonian777 1 year ago
@macedonian777 omg..here it goes again...im not trying to steel your identity but you must some time realize that the hole thing you have learn to school is false, is a trick. Greece in ancient times were not ONE country.there were not countries back then as we know them now.You may say Egypt was one country,yes was one but there were not many cities in Egypt with so much power as in Greece.Athens didnt want to be rulled by Sparta for example and vice versa.So they had war.BUT,..
phoenix1925 1 year ago
@macedonian777 BUT, they all were GREEK cities. You will ask why?And i will answer you.They were all speaking greek,they were all believed in the same religion, they were all used same currency (drachmas) and many many more (i dont have tha space to wright about them now).
If we think they way you from FYROM think, than Athens and Sparta were not greek cities.And who was greek than? the nothing?
Why you speak slabic if you are macedonians?why pella the hometown of alexander is in greece?Answer..
phoenix1925 1 year ago
@macedonian777 do you know what alexander or (Αλέξανδρος) means? no you dont cause its greek word. Do you know what filipp (Φίλιππος) means?no again. I know because im greek and most of the ancient greek names if not all, mean something. so please think before you wright something.Everything they teach you doesnt mean that is true..in fact nothing its true from what you are people learning.
phoenix1925 1 year ago
@phoenix1925 then do you know what "Macedonia" means? And before you decide to write that stupidity about "Highland" do some research of your own and you will discover you were not shown the truth and that Macedonia was another civilisation that had (and still has) nothing to do with the greeks, so as to why Aegean Macedonia has to be part of Greece is still unclear...
maques76 1 year ago
@maques76 first of all you didnt answered to my questions.Do you know what these names mean?I know what they mean.
Secondly, where do you base what you say?You dont have arguments,I have.You dont have facts,I have.
3rd,Why all historic sources and historians (not greek) say that macedonia and alexander was greek?
4rd,why do all the ancient monuments in skopia have greek sentences?Tell me why?If for just a second say that you are right,why the fuck you speak deferent language than your ancestor?
phoenix1925 1 year ago
@maques76 You say that macedonia was an other civilisation that had nothing to do with greeks.THAN WHY THEY WERE SPEAKING GREEK you shithead?Why they had GREEK NAMES?The fact that alexander's teacher was Aristotelis doesnt mean anything to you?Or Aristotelis wasnt greek too? You are fucking MORONS that say things that come from nowhere.. You cant prove not even a single thing, you just talk and say the fake history you've been teached.
phoenix1925 1 year ago 3
@phoenix1925 True dat!
scottbotics 1 year ago
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@maques76 shut up you asshole phoenix has right in 1992 Fyrom stated that its not anchestor of Macedonians they are pure slavs Fyrom created by USSR and fyromians came from albania and bulgaria you are a hailess spanish chipsie like your own history say
ikaros332 1 year ago
@phoenix1925 then do you know what "Macedonia" means? And before you decide to write that stupidity about "Highland" do some research of your own and you will discover Macedonia was another civilisation that had (and still has) nothing to do with the greeks, so as to why Aegean Macedonia has to be part of Greece is still unclear...
maques76 1 year ago
@maques76 shut up you asshole phoenix has right in 1992 Fyrom stated that its not anchestor of Macedonians they are pure slavs Fyrom created by USSR and fyromians came from albania and bulgaria you are a hailess spanish chipsie like your own history say
ikaros332 1 year ago
Those things were 20ft long, nobody could touch them! Damn, Alexander was a great general.
Thrawn6211 1 year ago
I like it how these documents often show gameplay image from Rome: Total War and its mods like SPQR etc
Jonza121 1 year ago
the shields look plastic
LegitBacKd00rNiNJa69 1 year ago
the macedonian one of the best greek ever even romans sais in front of phalanx of macedonians legion was nothing
ElassonaG13 1 year ago
Alexander the Great's mother's name was OLYMPIAS. Not some shitty Slavic name - fuck off Slav scum, stop stealing Greek history and portraying it as your own.
TheBaphomet777 1 year ago 5
it is well known that macedonians were greeks
extrememark13 1 year ago
@extrememark13 how you mean is well known? somewhere is writen? on your forehead?
BasshuterZ 1 year ago
@extrememark13 No , no no just Macedoniaa and China is yours and Egypet also , Turkey is yours also and Bulgaria
UVIVERSE IS GREEK !
Па Каков идиот си ти бе.
BasshuterZ 1 year ago
ΜΑΚΕΔΝΟΣ= MAKEDNOS FROM THE GREEK WORD MAKOS=HIGHLANDER. THE WORD ALEXANDROS=GREEK FROM THE ALEX=AGAINST AND ANDROS=MAN. FILLIPOS=FILOS=FRIEND HIPPOS=HORSE. WELCOME TO THE GREEK WORLD.
Ibelieve4567 1 year ago 4
@Ibelieve4567 Makedonia derives from the word Makedon... you wish it derives from the greek but it doesnt. Macedonians had already an established culture, language and country (as much as it may hurt your ego)before you! Which reminds me... what is the meaning of the word "Greece"? Nothing! Because your people are hellenes. You dont even know what you are!
Anyway, what is more important, I cant wait to see the expiry date of the treaty of Bucharest, and you? Welcome to the greek lies!
maques76 1 year ago
@maques76 Actually, Makedonia derives from the word Μακεδνος, meaning tall/giant. Lolout? The name Greece is actually an anglicized term of the Roman name for Hellas, Graecia.
Well, I'd love to see ancient scripts written in Slavic naming Alexandros Aleksandar! (but then, I never will.)
iseeallforme 1 year ago
@iseeallforme you're an idiot...your reference to slavic is invalid...just because people speak that dialect in that region doesn't make their claiming Alexander illegitimate...after all Greeks today don't speak the same language as in the time of Alexander. Instead of this bullshit about history how bout you grt the Greeks off their fat arses and do some work to get their financially and morally bankrupt country out of hock...before you all really become slaves
alfreddegreat 1 year ago
@alfreddegreat Actually, It does. Slavs came a millenia after the Ancient Kingdom of Makedon and the founding fathers of the Modern Republic of "Macedonia" proudly called themselves Bulgarian. Also, the region that is now called "Macedonia" is actually included in Yugoslavia by the name of Vardarska.
iseeallforme 1 year ago
@iseeallforme if ignorance is bliss you must be truly exstatic...Vardar was the main river in the region not the state...in any case this discussion is no longer funny anymore I'll go and annoy other half-wit's ...not unlike yourself...are you really such a loser and have nothing to live for today that you dredge up events from 2500 years ago...does it really matter...like I said I'm bored with you now don't bother responding, I'm not interested
alfreddegreat 1 year ago
@alfreddegreat But then ignorance isn't bliss. Well, but the people of Former Yugoslav Republic of "Macedonia" does claim that, although they call the language "Macedonian" after making a few modification to the Bulgarian script. Don't believe me? See for yourself. But I'd like to bother you so that you can enlighten me to your glorious wisdom: how is interest in history a thing of the half-wits?
iseeallforme 1 year ago
@alfreddegreat Well, Alexandros didn't speak Slavic (the language wouldn't be introduced to the Balkans for a millenia after Alexandros) for sure! The Greek language evolved (Alexandros spoke Koine, which evolved from Ancient Greek, that would evolve into Byzantine and eventually the modern Greek)
iseeallforme 1 year ago
@alfreddegreat So, Mr."you're an idiot," I'd love to see what you can conjure against the Greek claim on Alexandros that is supported by most respectable scholars around the world. I'd also love to see how Greeks live in a morally bankrupt (other than the no drinking age, that is) country and how it relates to Alexandros not being Greek.
iseeallforme 1 year ago
@iseeallforme the lady doth protest too much...I don't think anyone claimed Alexander spoke slavic...but that doesn't mean the slavic speaking people in Macedonia don't have a claim to the history of their region (by the way I'm not Macedonian so I don't really care) by your reckonning English people don't have a claim to the history of Alfred the great because they now speak a derivative language of Anglo/Saxon...history is all about migration and inter marriage...you're boring, get a life !!!
alfreddegreat 1 year ago
@alfreddegreat O... hehe! That's a unique view I never seen before! (I am not Greek either)
iseeallforme 1 year ago
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maques76 1 year ago
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@Ibelieve4567 Makedonia derives from the word Makedon... you wish it derives from the greek but it doesnt. Macedonians had already an established culture, language and country (as much as it may hurt your ego) before you! Which reminds me... what is the meaning of the word "Greece"? Nothing!!! Because your people are hellenes. You dont even know what you are!
Anyway, what is more important, I cant wait to see the expiry date of the treaty of Bucharest, and you??? Welcome to the greek lies!
maques76 1 year ago
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@Ibelieve4567 Makedonia derives from the word Makedon... you wish it derives from the greek but it doesnt. Macedonians had already an established culture, language and country (as much as it may hurt your ego)before you! Which reminds me... what is the meaning of the word "Greece"? Nothing! Because your people are hellenes. You dont even know what you are!
Anyway, what is more important, I cant wait to see the expiry date of the treaty of Bucharest, and you? Welcome to the greek lies!
maques76 1 year ago
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@Ibelieve4567 Makedonia derives from the word Makedon... you wish it derives from the greek but it doesnt. Macedonians had already an established culture, language and country (as much as it may hurt your ego)before you! Which reminds me... what is the meaning of the word "Greece"? Nothing! Because your people are hellenes. You dont even know what you are!
Anyway, what is more important, I cant wait to see the expiry date of the treaty of Bucharest, and you? Welcome to the greek lies!
maques76 1 year ago
take a look at the fat old ugly bastards in the in the live re-enactment of the phalanx at 1:24, then look at the tall muscular CG warriors at 1:28. fucking funny.
TheBaphomet111 1 year ago
Listen Greeks, lets not forget what we saw in the movie and how Aristotle MADE A POINT of LYING in his scripture about Alexanders death and told the writer to say he died of an illness rather than being poisoned by his own soldiers because they wanted to go home and see their families and stop fighting. This shows two things. 1) Greeks lie about everything and can never tell the truth. 2) This goes to show how much scriptures get changed over time and how easily the truth can become a lie.
xXAverageDudeXx 1 year ago
@xXAverageDudeXx
Since when Hollywood shows the reality?
- According to Hollywood : Jews built pyramids.
- According to Historians : Jews didn't build pyramids.
hoplitespao 1 year ago 26
@hoplitespao What Hollywood movie showed Jews building the pyramids?
Eagle027 1 year ago
@Eagle027 yep....
hoplitespao 1 year ago
@hoplitespao Yep, isn't an answer, tell me. Which Hollywood movie showed Jews building the pyramids? If you say DeMille's Ten Commandments, go back and look again. They had them building a city, not pyramids. Even DeMille knew all pyramids were built hundreds to over a thousand years before Ramses II
Eagle027 1 year ago
@hoplitespao they did, in their temples
daggermail1 1 year ago
@daggermail1 They did what?
hoplitespao 1 year ago
@hoplitespao they built pyramids in thier temples
daggermail1 1 year ago
@daggermail1 who?
hoplitespao 1 year ago
@hoplitespao other example
-according to Hollywood : multiculturalism and race-mixing produce better societies.
-according to reality and history : the more diverse a society becomes, the fastest it will collapse and enter civil unrest.
fdesouchecom 10 months ago
@hoplitespao Hollywood shows jews building piramids as slaves working there. I think thats true since Jews were supposed to be slaves to Egypt. Of course the masterminds and the architects were Egyptians.
GeorgeofGondor2 10 months ago
@xXAverageDudeXx Listen to who is lying now.....a 23 year old who hasn't yet learned to wipe his bum properly after toilet.........who made the movie IDIOT....your mates the Yanks who support the SKOPIANS because they fear unity in Europe....IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN VARDARSKA AND IT SHOULD STAY THAT WAY....HELLENIC MACEDONIA, UNFORTUNATELY WAS SPLIT BY OUR SO CALLED FRIENDS INTO THREE AND YOU DO NOT HEAR ANY OTHER SHAREHOLDERS CALLING THEMSELVES MACEDONIANS.....GO AWAY BOY.....
helios180746 1 year ago
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3) Patriarch Euthymius of Turnovo (Patriarch of Bulgaria between 1375 and 1393) in his Hagiography of St. Ilarion Maglenski wrote about the Bulgarian Char Kaloyan:
He was very brave, then, CONQUERED a large part of the GREEK LAND, namely Thrace and MACEDONIA, the Tribalia and Dalmatia,
hoplitespao 1 year ago
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2) On 14 July 1429 (!!!!!!!!!!!), the Senate gave formal replies to a detailed petition presented by an embassy representing the GREEK POPULATION OF THESSALONICA, showing that the inhabitants had become disenchanted with Venetian rule as they years had passed.
The Papacy and the Levant, 1204-1571 Vol. 2: The Fifteenth Century By Kenneth Meyer Setton, page 28
hoplitespao 1 year ago
@Blad771
1) No there are no ethnic macedonians....
Read what Alexander said.... Ancient Macedonians were Greeks.
You need to read Misirkov (on macedonian matter) you will learn that the population of fyrom is Bulgarian
Also Shapkarev who talk about the imposition of the name "Macedonians" by outsiders in 18..
hoplitespao 1 year ago
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3) Patriarch Euthymius of Turnovo (Patriarch of Bulgaria between 1375 and 1393) in his Hagiography of St. Ilarion Maglenski wrote about the Bulgarian Char Kaloyan:
He was very brave, then, CONQUERED a large part of the GREEK LAND, namely Thrace and MACEDONIA, the Tribalia and Dalmatia,
hoplitespao 1 year ago
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2) On 14 July 1429 (!!!!!!!!!!!), the Senate gave formal replies to a detailed petition presented by an embassy representing the GREEK POPULATION OF THESSALONICA, showing that the inhabitants had become disenchanted with Venetian rule as they years had passed.
The Papacy and the Levant, 1204-1571 Vol. 2: The Fifteenth Century By Kenneth Meyer Setton, page 28
hoplitespao 1 year ago
No doubt Macedonians were Greeks
Fyrom lands were never included in ancient macedonia kingdoms except 3-4% in the south.
After found an inscripted stone in the south of Fyrom they put it in the entrance of government building in Skopje for the pride of Ancient Macedonians :
μακεδονιαρχων των ναων τη πατριδι συν παντι τω κοσμω τω θκτ' ετει
I m sure it will be easy for fyromians without a greek-slavic translator to translate the language of their suposed ancestors ha ha ha
hoplitespao 1 year ago
@hoplitespao
Ancient Macedonian kingdom in which period? In one period Ancient Macedonia was only Pella and very small region. It doesn't means that Salonika is not Macedonia for example! :)
Blad771 1 year ago
@Blad771 I tottaly agree with you.... I talk for exemple during the peloponissos war 431 BC ( Thessaloniki was not in macedonia land before Philippos )
hoplitespao 1 year ago
The concept of Macedonia REGION (included Fyrom, Greece, Bulgaria,...) was made during ottoman empire. As rulers of the region they defined Macedonia (with modern countries) as a province.
And as rulers Hilmi Pasha 1906 made a census of Macedonia province and they noticed that no ethnic macedonians were there but ... bulgarians, greeks, turks, serbs,...
hoplitespao 1 year ago
@hoplitespao
It's because in the Ottoman Empire the Macedonian nation was not recognized like a different nation. However there are censuses in which the Macedonian nation is showed as separated, and there are old maps in which it's showed with different color too.
However it's stupid to say "Ancient Macedonia was from here to here" because Ancient Macedonia in different periods was different territory!
Blad771 1 year ago
@Blad771 which census? All census before your independance showed not ethnic macedonians but Slavs (as Gligorov said in 1992) or Bulgarians (as Delchev said in his letter)
- In the Bible the nationalities mentioned in MAcedonia were Greeks, Romans and Jews
- In a census in the 13-14th they talked about the greek population
- and in a biography of a bulgarian tzar he was proud to conquer greek land : Thracia, Macedonia,....
...
hoplitespao 1 year ago
@hoplitespao
There is no ethnic group called Slavs, the Macedonians were showed as Slavs but it's because big part of our origin is from the Slavs (language for example), of course it doesn't means that we are 100.00 Slavs because when Slavs came they mixed with the local people and created the modern Macedonian nation, in all documents and old maps is written that the Greeks in Macedonia are around 200 000 and they lives south from Salonika where in the Ancient times were the Greek colonies.
Blad771 1 year ago
@Blad771 I don't agree....
Letter from Delchev to Maleshevski (1899)
" I have received all the letters sent by you and through you. Let us not allow the splits and splintering to frighten us. It is, indeed, a pity, but what can we do, since WE ARE BULGARIANS and all suffer from one common disease. If this disease had not been present in our ancestors, from whom we inherited it, they would have never fallen under the sceptre of the Turkish Sultan... "
hoplitespao 1 year ago
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hoplitespao 1 year ago
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According to a Turkish census of Hilmi Pasha in 1904, in some areas of Macedonia lived:
a) Vilaeti of THESSALONIKI
- Greeks : 373,227
- BULGARIANS : 207,317
b) Vilaeti of Monastiri
- Greeks : 261,283
- BULGARIANS :178,412
c) Santzaki of Scopje
- Greeks : 13,452
- BULGARIANS : 172,735
hoplitespao 1 year ago
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Patriarch Euthymius of Turnovo (Patriarch of Bulgaria between 1375 and 1393) in his " Hagiography of St. Ilarion Maglenski " wrote about the Bulgarian Char Kaloyan :
" He was very brave, then, conquered a large part of the GREEK LAND, namely Thrace and MACEDONIA, the Tribalia and Dalmatia, in those added Neada (sic) and Ellada and still Aitolia. "
hoplitespao 1 year ago
@hoplitespao
That quote doesn't changes the fact that there were ethnic Macedonians.....
"The Macedonians also are a nation and the place which is theirs is called Macedonia'
-Georgija Pulevski in 1875.
Blad771 1 year ago
According to a Turkish census of Hilmi Pasha in 1906, in the area of Macedonia lived:
423,000 or 41.71% Turks
259,000 or 27.30% Greeks
178,000 or 18.81% BULGARIANS
13,150 or 1.39% Serbs
73,000 or 7.72% others
It must be noticed here that the Turkish archives are quite indicating of the situation, since, as the rulers of the area, they would certainly emphasize the existence of a "Macedonian" nation if they noticed any, in order to divide the people.
hoplitespao 1 year ago
Let's ask Alexander himself....
Alexander said to his Macedonian soldiers :
" WE can move against the barbarians and liberate ourselves from the Persian bondage for AS GREEKS WE should not be slaves to barbarians "
(Callisthenes of Olynthus 1.15.1-4)
hoplitespao 1 year ago
@hoplitespao
If you try to use your brain a little bit, you would see that in the Ottoman Empire the Macedonian nation was not recognized, and if you follow my quote you would see that there were people who were saying that are Ethnic Macedonians. So this is one truth which is easy to understand a average-IQ person.
Blad771 1 year ago
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3) Patriarch Euthymius of Turnovo (Patriarch of Bulgaria between 1375 and 1393) in his Hagiography of St. Ilarion Maglenski wrote about the Bulgarian Char Kaloyan:
He was very brave, then, CONQUERED a large part of the GREEK LAND, namely Thrace and MACEDONIA, the Tribalia and Dalmatia,
hoplitespao 1 year ago
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3) Patriarch Euthymius of Turnovo (Patriarch of Bulgaria between 1375 and 1393) in his Hagiography of St. Ilarion Maglenski wrote about the Bulgarian Char Kaloyan:
He was very brave, then, CONQUERED a large part of the GREEK LAND, namely Thrace and MACEDONIA, the Tribalia and Dalmatia,
hoplitespao 1 year ago
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2) On 14 July 1429 (!!!!!!!!!!!), the Senate gave formal replies to a detailed petition presented by an embassy representing the GREEK POPULATION OF THESSALONICA, showing that the inhabitants had become disenchanted with Venetian rule as they years had passed.
The Papacy and the Levant, 1204-1571 Vol. 2: The Fifteenth Century By Kenneth Meyer Setton, page 28
hoplitespao 1 year ago
Philip invented? What is Epanminodas? Chopped liver?
HConstantine 1 year ago
Did Macedonian Phalangites still wear old Corinthian Helmets by this time, because I see a few men with them on.
jabames 1 year ago
Best army in the Ancient world no doubt. Macedonians were the best!
Blad771 1 year ago 23
@Blad771 I agree !!
LAVOTODGJORCE 1 year ago
@Blad771 actually there is no doubt that the romans were.. but if we are realistic it s not really possbile to say because both got their great times in different centuries
MihYtka 1 year ago
@MihYtka
The Romans were following the steps of the Macedonians and we were their idols. Also the idols of the Roman kings and imperators was always Alexander.
Blad771 1 year ago
@Blad771 no they didnt follow the steps of the macedonians,if they did they would of tried and expanded east only and used the phalanx formations. and tactics.If they were thier idols they would of not conquered them
WRH90059 1 year ago
@WRH90059
Read the biographies of th Roman leaders and you will see that their greatest idol was Alexander, also same with the steps of the roman empire. This says the historians in documentaries like this one, not me.
Blad771 1 year ago
@Blad771 Yhe thier greatest idol was alexander along with many other cultures.But they didnt follow in the steps of him,thier politics,military,and empire are were completely different
WRH90059 1 year ago
@Blad771 Well they were known to suck when their main general (In most cases Alexander the Great) was not around :)
whoa92341 1 year ago
@Blad771 many ancient greek armies were good. you cant compare them.some periods macedonia was more powerful some periods athens was the ruler,some other sparta..you cant realy say which was the best army because they all were very good.
phoenix1925 1 year ago
@Blad771
roman legionaries would beat them any day ; )
meidaniarya 1 year ago
@meidaniarya Your both wrong; THIS IS SPARTA.
dogwolf666 1 year ago
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@Blad771
roman legionaries would beat them any day ; )
meidaniarya 1 year ago
@Blad771 definatly
TheAlexagius 1 year ago
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vinny543210 1 year ago
@vinny543210, not talking about the Greeks. But if you know history you would know that the idols of the Romans were the Macedonians and Aleksandar.... :)
Blad771 1 year ago
@Blad771 Uhh... Aleksandar? Is there ancient scripts with the name Aleksandar instead of Alexandros?
iseeallforme 1 year ago
no thats Rome greece is second and yes i consider macedonia part of greece
lewisgunner1 1 year ago
whats this show called?
jabames 1 year ago