The Casual Terrorist - Pigs Will Pay

[mrshartbreaker]

Life is pretty fuckin good.say all you want but none of us want a world with no one to police it. Theres nothing we can do to change anything so why waste time bitching? Just deal with it

[punxlukk]

workers rights are human rights

[XBloodyRevolutionX]

I like the lyrics, the beat not so much but still, A DAMN GOOD SONG.

[richard20bris]

I bet anarchists can't WAIT to get rid of YouTube...along with the iPhones, Logitech keybaords and mice, Samsung monitors, and other assorted computer hardware and software which is used to transfer videos of them getting pwned by the police onto YouTube.

I'm sure they'd love nothing more than to be sitting around, "chilling" with their Muslim terrorist mates, and talking about women's rights, gay rights, racial equality, and a world free from religion.

[NoPigsNoProblems]

@richard20bris Obvious troll is obvious.

[Laviedusurrealisme]

Well, I was gonna say something and state my opinion on what ever the hell it was I thought I had an opinion about. Then I realized that I just hate people and no longer see the point in debating, arguing or fighting about it. Huh maybe my belief is that of disbelief. No government of any kind, no religion. Fuck it. Eat, drink, smoke, fuck, die. The more I learn, the less I know. The more I understand how little I know, is all the more I could care less. I really don't understand people.

[Zantar17]

@Laviedusurrealisme Will you marry me?

[Laviedusurrealisme]

@Zantar17 HAHAHA! That is a loaded question. A: I'm a dude... dude. B: Marriage like insanity is a legal term. I don't believe in either of them.

[Zantar17]

@Laviedusurrealisme LOL im Just kidding man. I like the way you think is all im saying ;)

[assmunchtv]

man your musics cool n thats what its all about. but anarchy? i hate the government but anarchy will never work i know because theres always somone who would want power ha if i could i would take over countrys n shit. also im guessing your european or american. americans have everything they dont have to worry bout getting killed for everything i know alot of people who got there parents killed cuz they have more money. americans are such spoiled brats

[jordanlivig]

Its starts with raising conciousness and awareness. We need a lot more anarchists for this revolution to get done.

[jordanlivig]

Its starts with raising conciousness and awareness.

[Triixcee]

lol funny how something so angry makes you feel so peaceful :)

[vilehabbit]

why not simply just have the rich pay taxes and only allow people to have up to a certain amount of money. for example many celebrities and business owners have more money than they can even think to spend it on and once there rich they get most things free any ways, so what harm would it do for them to donate it to a social cause?.

[PsychChick]

Miss you Raines

[Jmuske492]

to whom ever posted this message me and lets talk politics.... i have always been fascinated with 'anarchist' punk perspectives..... i am not a nark but i am a conservative libertarian.... i am sure our philosophies intertwine a lot more often than not...

[SuperAcab666]

-A-

[weimer495]

i wish there were anarchist activists near me

[emofelix23]

@weimer495 Actually what I did I got up at my school and quoted Emma Goldman and made my own speech. I converted a few people granted I got in trouble got forced to the principles office and sit in a concilers office where he tried to convince me that a representative democracy was the best system. Still anarchist was made from my speech so I won.

[weimer495]

@emofelix23 nice, glad to see some people still have the balls to stand up to a dumb teacher that always thinks their right

[shmee10]

@emofelix23 1936 Catalonia was the result of three generations of constant education efforts like yours. I know that's a little simplified, but it works.

[mckeegaunt]

@weimer495

Become one!

If you want a better world and want to make a difference, take up local action.

Revolutions aren't made by nice little protests, we need to change the world around us.

[Machao6]

What exactly happens after "The Revolution"?

What stops history from repeating?

Don't get me wrong, there's plenty I hate about the Way Things Are, but I see a whole lot of posturing and slating people for having different opinions and not a lot else.

[ClownBoy41]

this song is the fucking shit.

[upperlefthandcorner]

shhiiittt at 1:13

[ChildofConflict]

Beautiful song, something in acoustic that conveys emotion that electric cant.

[Gatakumo]

I'm so performing this at school, goona sove it down theyre throats

[skathecar]

Haha awesome i would love to see that!

[Gatakumo]

@skathecar I'll get some one to record it. i just need to igure out the chods, dont sound to hard

[RealEros1]

if anarchist keep looking that way and doing protest that way nothing will ever change :(

[btjc123]

So you wouldn't listen to what we have to say just because of the way we dress? So what, if we put on suits and ties, cut out hair, and carried around briefcases you would be more apt to listen to what we're saying? It doesn't matter how we look, it is the message that counts.

[RealEros1]

no your getting me wrong am sorry to say this but its the truth. the anarchist belief has been ruined how can our message mean anything if we keep doing this over and over, no one even truely knows what anarchy is they will always think it means chaos.we need something new like a name to give it so they think their hearing something new and then some might listen for a start

[njlacrosse9]

reformationsts!

[blobperson]

if enough of them do it yes it will... but i know what ur talking about, if you wanna take down a power find its weakness, not its strong suit...

[RealEros1]

@blobperson yes but theres more to a higher power then how it manages factorys and states.People have religlion and believe theres few ways to see things,we need to now focus on their morals and beliefs then their viewpoints on government

[blobperson]

I know...

[RealEros1]

Good :) good day

[timothyxmcveigh]

Between youtube limiting characters, and placing comments in a weird order I'm having a hard time responding here, but Ill keep on trying. And I would say things like Marxist style uprisings would be considered violating the freedom of others.

[PunkSkaOi]

The right to own property is not a freedom, or a 'God-given Right', if anything it's a hindrance to true human progress, and actual freedom. If you want real anarchism, look at Spain in 1936. If you want your phoney right-wing bullshit in practice, look at Somalia.

[timothyxmcveigh]

Sorry for the spelling errors. I ran out of characters.

[timothyxmcveigh]

And finally, how would we know if capitalism works or not? We've barely employed it except a few choice times (Ancient ireland, ancient iceland, the old west). What we have in the U.S. is fascism, not capitalism. There's a huge difference between laisezz faire and the 'corporate state'.

[PunkSkaOi]

It's been employed in ancient times, and never since then, because it creates more problems than it seeks to get rid of. I don't know about you, but I like not having products made with lead paint, I certainly don't like working 70 hours a week, I certainly don't like being deprived of needs such as food, water, and shelter. There are so many things that can, and will always go wrong as long as ANY capitalist system exists. Capitalism inevitably leads to corporatism.

[MrJoeCage]

yes, capitalism is wrong. it creates such an imbalance that it always implodes. such a state is rapidly being reached. there is a larger gulf between the poor and the rich, here in america, then existed in the great depression. there will come a time, not in my lifetime (probably), in which the poor will rise up and society will restructure itself. it always has, and it always will. but, for now, the middle american class, whose consumption is the economic engine for the world, is comfortable.

[MrJoeCage]

and as long as that is the case, then we will continue to be enthralled to our owners. the same men who get paid, (pay themselves) hundreds of millions of dollars while they outsource hundreds of thousands of jobs, just so they can give themselves bigger bonuses. they are the ones who own our lawmakers and dictate policies through "campaign contributions". they are the true evil, not government. government is just complicit, complacent, and corrupt. and totally, totally inefficient.

[timothyxmcveigh]

Do you think its a coincidence that the more governments gotten involved with private business and private lifestyles and private whatever the more people demonize laisez faire. It's like saying selling drugs is immoral because lots of people go to jail for it and kill others. Its not the sale of drugs thats the problem its the government getting their hands into it. Just like it's not capitalism that's the problem its things like trademark/copyright laws, politicians investing in companies etc.

[timothyxmcveigh]

Yes. Capitalism is what brought down ancient Ireland. Come on man, societies will never last forever under ANY system or anti system. It was an extremely admired and well run country. There was no real police force, free trade was plentiful, and shit worked. I'm not against the idea of anarcho collectevism, but when the collectevist part is forced on individualist anarchists such as myself it's no longer anarchy, it's hierarchy. Your town can have a Bakunin statue and mine can have Thoreau.

[PunkSkaOi]

The police force is an invention of capitalism. The first police forces were private security forces funded and upheld by the rich; Capitalism leads to coercive force, to a state. You know what's actually hiearchy? Working for a boss, and having organization of the workplace to be top-down, as oppossed to being run democratically, without bosses, by the worker's themselves. My theoretic town would have a statue of no one; we follow ideas, not people.

Way to not confront my points, at all.

[timothyxmcveigh]

Any society needs some kind of protection. For a city or town to hire one of the security forces to protect their town is rational and acceptable. If you don't want police in your town, fine. And it isn't against the idea of complete freedom to decide you are willing to work for a boss. It's only wrong if you are forced into a situation. Not everyone agrees with the idea that we should live in a collective manner. Forcing that is just as hierarchal as any of capitalism's features.

[PunkSkaOi]

O.K., let me get this straight: You think it would be perfectly 'rational' and 'acceptable' if the people in an 'anarchist' society, were governed by private security forces funded by the rich? So basically, you're fine with the formation of the state? For most people, there is no choice in a capitalist society but to work for a boss. For capitalism to function, people have to sell their labour, so automatically a large amount of people have no choice BUT to work for a boss, steal, or starve.

[PunkSkaOi]

Why would workers want to live in a society where they're exploited? Workers don't need their bosses, their bosses need them. But suppose anyway, that workers in your capitalist society went on strike. Would your private security forces 'compell' them back to work?

I fail to see how removing hierarchy from society is 'hierarchial'.

You must be one of the most confused people I've ever had a discussion with. You ought to just remove the 'anarcho' prefix from your label.

[timothyxmcveigh]

Nobody wants to be exploited, but you assume that because someone is working for someone else that they are being exploited. If my dad says "Will you do chores every week for allowance?" I'm not being exploited, I'm making a compromise. Just like the christian anarchists like Lef Tolstoy, if they were forced to obey god it would be wrong, but when they choose their leader (and can reject him/her at any time) the voluntary nature of the situation cancels out any exploitive factor.

[maagonzalez888]

mmno thats why they have unions. like my uncles in a union and deosnt go to work for half a year and still gets paid fulltime n cant get fired juss cuase hes in a union..

n people wonder why the worlds in a depresiion...

i wouldnt want to live in a socialist or even a communist society, where people half ass stuuf all the time it would just collapse on its self...

but at the same time i wouldnt want to live in a aristrocrasy or hierarchy,

its all about checks and balances dude :)

[timothyxmcveigh]

Anarchism is a state of mind for the most part. No society will ever be 100% without hierarchy, but it could be very close. But as long as you are free in your own daily life, you are in you're own government free society. My friend lives in the boonies and hasnt seen a cop in 3 years I am officially a Libertarian now because they spend more time moving forward instead of getting drunk and arguing amongst themselves about minor details People say anarchy doesnt work but government doesnt either!

[lowerclassrock]

well government can work but not for big countries, i live in america and what i think would work is just have each state have more power and be like its own country and it be part of America but not be all control by one big central government because it doesnt work

[anarchopunk69]

Problem is its not just the feds that are corrupt its in the the state govs too.

[timothyxmcveigh]

The bottom line is - if people are good then they dont need government. And if theyre bad, then the government (made up of these people) is also inherently bad, which defeats the purpose. Theres no perfect solution, but I am confident that no government is always preferable to government.

[lowerclassrock]

Yeah but there will always be bad people unless its just a small ass country, which you could just o around killing the bad but then you be just as bad as the government. And someone will gain power one way or another.

[timothyxmcveigh]

Small ass countries are exactly the point. Sovereignty. And you don't have to kill the bad, just evict them from your area. There should always be a general moral code, but no law. And its not like the government is stopping the bad shit from happening. Has government stopped murders and rapes? Or do you think it's a coincidence that murder rates have increased along with bigger and bigger government?

[lowerclassrock]

I see your point and agree to a point, Our Government is not really solving problems there just here to make a buck. But i am saying anarchy won't ever last long, sooner or later another leader with another government will come along and take control. Thats the cycle of things you can't have total chaos or total order thats human nature.

[timothyxmcveigh]

If its the cycle of things then why not let it go into the next phase for a while? If anarchy is always destined to turn back into government run societies, then fine. But it's about time to shift out of this government phase because it's not working one bit. They don't stop anything bad from happening, and they do very minimal good. Most of what they do is intentional bad things like wasting money on busting legal medical marijuana dispensaries and blowing up muslims.

[MrJoeCage]

fuck yes! FUCK YES! that may be the most concise summing up of the ills of modern society.

[timothyxmcveigh]

Why thank you

[lowerclassrock]

anarchy could never work if it ever was to happen it would be a transition state before another government is put in place thats why i never really bought into the idea of anarchy which many people think is weird because im a punk but whatever.

[timothyxmcveigh]

Its not weird to be a punk and not be an anarchist at all. Most punks whos preach anarchy are idiots anyways. Anarchism could infact work. But not the branch of anarcho-socialism we're all so familiar with. Contrary to popular belief capitalism is not the problem. The problem is the centralization of government and the assumption that a small amount of idiots can run a huge amount of idiots successfully.

[PunkSkaOi]

Capitalism IS the problem. In case you haven't notice, capitalism is a system which puts a majority of the wealth in a minority of hands. In a capitalist society, wealth means power, and the ones with the wealth are your rulers. By definition, capitalism cannot exist without a state, and even if it could, it's still inherently hiearchial and exploitive.

But, your name is 'timothy mcveigh', so naturally I shouldn't expect much sense from someone such as yourself.

[timothyxmcveigh]

Give a break douche bag. Your name PunkSkaOi! My name is ironic, your name is just lame. Capitalism is not a system which does anything. Capitalism in it's truest form is almost an absence of a system. It's only rules are "anyone can sell anything at any price". It's a system which goes along with anarchism quite better than any socialist ideas do, since socialism seems to create true oppression wherever it goes, as opposed to this "slave labor" you say capitalism causes.

[PunkSkaOi]

Capitalism in it's truest form is exploitation, environmental destruction, murder, and misery. It is incompatible with anarchism simply because capitalism would create a ruling elite, thus dividing society into spheres of class. Anarchism must be classless.

Private business would inevitably become the state, ruling through private militaries. The idea of property is incompitable with anarchism. How will the capitalist's property be insured, if no state exists to protect it?

[Cagedand3nRaged]

By going on youtube, we're contributing to the ever growing money making business this website has become. That's not anarchy at all. That's also why I can't be a true anarchist, it's too hard.

[Heyjude702]

I'd have to agree. Anarchy is difficult in today's society. Anarchy is difficult in any society with a government - because it's an entirely different life. In order to be anarchist we'd have to be in anarchy. You couldn't survive in this country living a 100% anarchist lifestyle. I like to consider myself anarchist under the terms that I believe it is a good idea though.

[PunkSkaOi]

Anarchism isn't a lifestyle, and no matter what you do in this society, you're still going to be a part of it. 'Dropping out' and squatting isn't going to change anything, in fact, it's probably going to alienate you from the working class. Want to be an 'true anarchist'? Be a regular-ass working class person, and do what you can to agitate, educate, and organize in your place of work, and your community.

This lifestylist approach to anarchism is detrimental to the movement.

[Cagedand3nRaged]

I see. So beat the system at it's own game. :P

[anarkopunk84]

fucking hell this video has a lot of comments! haha

[GalfordHeat]

we are many

[MegalonsRevenge]

jorty-

anarchists have been labeled as "the bad guys" since the 1800s in the haymarket and sacco and vanzetti days. we are almost always perpetuated as the mad bombers. while millitant action is most effective, it hurts our public image. if you want the revolution to be a success you have to have the public agree with you. you cant force anyone into a political system they dont want to be in. which is why so many revolutions have failed.

[jortylbro]

Having some kind of positive pubic image is a quite important. However, I do not expect this image to come from the corporate media, who will either ignore us or paint us as trouble makers no matter what. So I see no reason to stop performing more militant actions just because this media will demonize us for it. The positive image can only be created by us ourselves.

[jortylbro]

"you cant force anyone into a political system they dont want to be in. which is why so many revolutions have failed. "

I have to disagree with you here. As anarchists, we aren't forcing anything on anyone, but we are removing coercive institutions by which the privileged exploit others. Yes, it will change the way society needs to be structured, but this should be inevitable in the end anyway if we wish for a more just society.

[jortylbro]

The general population is complacent with the violence that goes around them. Trying to water down a struggle to make it more palatable for them is pointless.

[OneRadRudeboy]

they're complacent with violence from the state, NOT with violence from "rabble rouser rioters"

which is how you will be portrayed if you take part in violent protest, whether you like it or not.

[jortylbro]

"they're complacent with violence from the state, NOT with violence from "rabble rouser rioters""

That's what I meant. But see, if they're complacent with the state's violence, they are not going to voluntarily begin to change society for the better if the state is opposed to the change. Many believe the state has a legitimate right to use violence against those that work against it. Violent protests at least attempt to shatter this monopoly over violence.

[topazio92]

damn goood song

[OpIvyCrass91]

to an extent what they are doing is dumb and to the other it's smart

but how can a message get across if there is violence?

will anyone listen? do you destroy private priority?

or just state owned? will it matter in the end? you need a plan a plan for after violence.

Look at Spain 1936 they had a plan

not just throwing rocks

Read Homage to Catalonia by George Orwell

he fought along side the anarchist, took a bullet though the neck and lived. a great writer

[OneRadRudeboy]

half of these kids don't even realize that their surplus gas masks won't do shit against gas with old filters.

in fact old filters can give you cancer.

[OneRadRudeboy]

if you REALLY want to be taken seriously, take off the bandannas an balaclavas.

I tried it, put on a dress shirt and tie, people actually seemed to listen.

[anarkopunk84]

would you be changing the system from the inside then?

Good luck with that :p

[OneRadRudeboy]

no, just dress like something that people don't expect to throw a rock at them

[melvinleopoo]

@anarkopunk84 or simply an anarchist in a suit.... with something people will take seriously on the exterior.

[Pi11z3ury]

@OneRadRudeboy We don't wear masks to look scary dude, we wear them to protect ourselves, our friends and our families from the security culture that is filming us and building databases with our names, addresses and personal relationships.

[OneRadRudeboy]

@Pi11z3ury read: Paranoia

[ammoMtaFoY]

@OneRadRudeboy Police infiltrate anarchist groups, asking questions about personal information and any illegal actions that members may have done. They also film protesters' faces, tattoos, shoes, and anything else that can be used to identify them. These things have been witnessed time and time again; this "paranoia" is actually a precaution based on events that happen all the time.

[OneRadRudeboy]

@ammoMtaFoY honestly, how many cops have infiltrated your protests? Fearing big brother is just as much of obeying him as actually doing his bidding sometimes.

[ammoMtaFoY]

@OneRadRudeboy They do that all the time (either to gather information or to incite riots), and they have been filmed doing it in many cases. The prevalence of nosy cops is the reason security culture had to be adopted by our movement in the first place; it is an indisputable fact that they document protesters, and they particularly love to document the radical left. If you choose not to believe that, that's fine. I'm just telling you what I've seen based on my and many others' experiences.

[OneRadRudeboy]

@ammoMtaFoY regardless, I know not every one of those kids with bandannas is a cop.

[stolisoldier]

@OneRadRudeboy

That would be called "selling out"

[shmee10]

@OneRadRudeboy I agree with you to a certain extent. I don't know if anyone's pretending that acute rioting is going to spark a revolution, at least as opposed to unionizing workers, collectivizing land, rallying intellectual support--less exciting, but more in touch with real anarchism. But I do also believe that such riotous behavior is great to conjure up some (mostly bad) attention to issues, creating temporary semi-autonomous zones, and reminding us all just how real our movement is.

[OneRadRudeboy]

@shmee10 if you really want to prove anarchism can work.

volunteer to do things that the state does, sanitation, mow the lawn at your local park, set up community watches, police each other, etc.

[roadfaeries]

@OneRadRudeboy i dont think anyone put you incharge of deciding who will be taken anything...last of the rudeboys...who the fuk take you seriously holdeover from a bygone erra yurself.

[TheManolakis]

@OneRadRudeboy sucker

[anticonformist777]

dont ignore or hate the ways they corrupt people and hurt us but use it aganist them use the myspace to spend the truth use youtube to spend the truth go to mcdonnels and find a way to spend truth use it aganist them because the things we hate(myspace and stuff like that) are the ways into destroying them and we will be a step closer to a free world not an anarchist or christian or whatever but freedom for all and peace

[keg64]

great song

[jackingoff777x]

to be honest just go to whatever mcdonnels,buy what brand clothes etc it wont make a diff but by doing a speech,spending the truth,helping the poor and those who need it etc thats making a diff not making a diff is just saying anarchy and all you do is complain,dress crazy,get drunk ,go to shows

[DESTROYriaa]

awesome song and video.

[fuckwithfire1984]

Propagandhi did a song called Pigs Will Pay.

[liquidfreak]

and it is much better than this!!!

[Mennismervice]

wtf? myspace is owned by news corp, they make over 25 billion $ a year, and even if you don't click advertisements, your STILL making money for myspace!!

[stillsaveusall]

if you boycott myspace with in the capitalist system workers at the bottom of the corporation would simply be laid off.

use myspace to spread the message, use their own tools against them

[Mennismervice]

great idea! but shit I was makin my own website already.

[Xm3ndilloX]

hey man, your against the use of myspace and thats good because half the people claiming to be anti capitalists talk all about how much they hate the system and what not, but youtube is just as much as a corporation as myspace, companis pay to put adds on youtube so if your gonan bag on myspace bag on youtube

[SmashTheStAte199]

im listening to casual terrorists on myspace.

this is great tho!

[crackrocksteady14]

garn christian

[majorMcpharter]

Fraternally yours for a Classless Moneyless Stateless society of common ownership.

[poispo]

really good!

[cafhatch]

Great video!

[marisiriella]

great job!

xoxo

[JonasSelander]

Awesome! Did you film this yourself?