For the Love of God!!

[SpaceMarine2007]

So pointless, just stop trying to convert each other you retards, if you don't want to believe in a god, than don't, if you do, than do. Both sides are constantly in a conversion war of believe or don't believe, everyone just be happy with their own beliefs.

Disregard the irony of this message.

[breeluvscola]

MY DOG LOVED THE BEGINING

[LinkMEP]

Very few Christians would make that claim about you not knowing what love is and your capability love.

[Yamakoto120]

My gosh ! That was good.

[phillip78]

1 John 4:8 God is love. 1 Corinthians 13:8 Love never fails.

Will God's love fail to save the whole entire human race?

[Netwriter]

@phillip78 Considering this bible god sends billions to be tortured for eternity these verses are meaningless.. I offer Mark 4:11-12, Mark 3:29, Matt 22:14, Matt 7:13-14, Deut 32:39-41, Isaiah 59:15-17, Psalm 5:4-5, Psalm 31:5-6, Psalm 45:6-7, Mal 2:16, Rev 2:6-7 and on and on.

[phillip78]

@Netwriter I don't read from the KJV, NIV, New king james, or any other modern day versions. Our modern day bibles have been interpreted, not translated.

Does God teach us to love our enemies while God torments his in a real fire?

[Netwriter]

If your god is unable to protect his word and deliver it to us down the years as he wants it delivered then he is impotent and unworthy of my worship or honor. Next thing you will claim is you need your greek decoder ring. Your credibility is slipping away with each word you type.

[phillip78]

God had absolutely no intentions on revealing the mysteries of God to all at this time.

[Netwriter]

@phillip78 Who says? This explains why there are 38K different sects of the christian cult. I thought the bible says god is not the author of confusion. Are you saying the bible is confusing on purpose? How do you know what god wanted if you also say god didn't want us to know about him? You are talking in circles you know,,,, or maybe you don't.

[phillip78]

@Netwriter i will answer in pm. too little space

[phillip78]

1 Tim 2:6 Who is giving Himself a correspondent Ransom for all (the testimony in its own eras), to be testified in due time.

1 Cor 15:22-23 For even as, in Adam, all are dying, thus also, in Christ, shall all be vivified.

23 Yet each in his OWN class

Ro 6:23 wages of sin is death. when was death defined as life in a place called hell? even the lake of fire is defined as such. rev 20:14. Is that the end result? how is it if death is abolished in 1 Cor 15:26 These Q. are for the fundies.

[TheDogfighter101]

@Netwriter your getting it wrong. by unconditional love, they mean, in luke, the book in the new testiment, god sent his one an d only son to be crusified on the cross. instead of you and me. but god does not send people to hell, they send themselves to hell.

[Netwriter]

@TheDogfighter101 What a load of twisted baloney. It is the bible god who created hell then sends billions there he claims to love there. No one sends themselves to hell only the bible god has that power. If I hold a gun to your head and tell you to give me all your money or I am going to shoot you how is it that you choose to be shot in the head when you say NO to my threats? You need to take a course in logic sonny.

[TheDogfighter101]

@Netwriter i suggest you read john in the new testiment. also, dont ever call me "sonny" agian, you prick

[Strangerinasland]

@TheDogfighter101 I suggest you read the complete Holy Babble several times, sonny. Try thinking instead of repeating ridiculous deceitful doubletalk drilled into your head by con artists, sonny. Try holding a gun to someone & offering a "choice" & see who goes to prison, sonny. Try being a big bad bully like your sadistic imaginary fiend & see where it gets you, sonny.

[TheDogfighter101]

@Strangerinasland when you deny christ as your savior, your basicly saying "I dont want you! i dont ever want to be anywhere near you! I Dont Need You!" and there is only room for people who love God in heaven, the only way to go into heaven is through Jesus. so the only other place to go is hell. Sonny

[Strangerinasland]

@TheDogfighter101 You're funny, sonny. You know how much room is in heaven? I cannot deny someone I do not know exists. You didn't think over anything I said yet you insist on vomiting out your crap. Wake up, sonny.

[phillip78]

The mistranslation of the word eon as everlasting, eternal, forever, and even world,in the King James Version and nearly ALL translations of the Bible, leads to confusion and even often to false doctrine. A study of 'eon' is crucial in knowing what any of the verses you presented originally was.

Romans 11:32 All subject to unbelief, mercy on all

Lam 3:31,32

Isaiah 26:9 The world will learn righteouness through judgment

1 tim 2:4

Ps 90.3

Don't buy into the lie of eternal torment

[Netwriter]

@phillip78 So what? This does nothing to change the pagan story that god had to send himself to die to appease himself before he can forgive his creation for having a sinful nature that he created them with. How ever man is, it is the fault of the creator, not the created. Any torment, even a second, is unjust by a "pass the buck" god of the bronze age. Does a Toyota driver blame his car for speeding out of control or the manufacturer Toyota? Your god blames the car.

[Seektruth1st]

"Basically, some He has chosen to save, others He lets go their own way."

So the ones he "lets go" and does not "choose to save" were created purely for kindling of Hell from the beginning?

What a pathetic analogy.

[Seektruth1st]

Very true, it does have a lot of conditions. "Blood needs to be shed" I ask "Why" Ha ha i replayed that over and over. hilarious monotone voice makes it a crack up.

[thefinalb0ss]

I like the metaphor "more strings than a marionette."

[Dwicker64]

Love does not attach strings or conditions. Love does not condemn. Is there any loving parents out there that would consider casting one of their children away into eternal fire and hell. Isn't god wonderful?

[lapatria100]

Why do athiest ask questions about millions of years ago, and space stuff. It's pretty silly how far Athiest have to go, when we Christians have faith.

[Netwriter]

Folks free of the shackles of faith ask questions about the unknown to find the answers. That is why you are able to sit at your computer, in an air conditioned home with electricity, a phone, a TV, a car in the driveway and when you are sick you have medical science to help you get well and live a much longer and healthier life. If everyone was like you, we would still be living in the dark ages when religion and faith ruled the world.

[truthseek18]

Haha you're asking why humans form complex thoughts instead of just cuddling like small cute animals. It's not silly, it's the greatest aspirations of any living being, to know exactly how the universe was created. This is why most of us oppose religion, it makes people content with the answer they have, regardless of the truth. This is probably where we'll see evolution of the human race take place next, the smart and questioning will colonize space while the religious deal with the meteor.

[luxunity]

the bible's god is incapable to love unconditionally or show any moral value because the bible was written by humans who were influenced by their tribal cultures and regional violence.

[fiveofgrace]

Yet another misconception. God doesn't start to love someone after he/she makes the "decision" for Christ. The person repents and turns to Christ and lives by faith BECAUSE God has loved them from before the foundation of the world. In the beginning, after the fall of man, man and his descendants grew further and further from God.

They worshiped other gods... the thought of no god in ancient times was unheard of, but since the age of "enlightenment," people started living by sight completely.

[Netwriter]

Yeah right. He just loves the billions he sends to eternal torture.

"To state that the god of the bible is loving is like claiming a rattle snake is affectionate or a porcupine is cuddly."

- Gali Yonvadisi

[fiveofgrace]

You didn't really respond to anything I said. He doesn't love the people he will cast into Hell. Why would He send them there if He loved them? What I was trying to say before was that all of man goes their own way until God works in an individual's heart so that he/she repents and lives for the Christ for the rest of their life. Basically, some He has chosen to save, others He lets go their own way. You ask, why would He do that? Because if it was up to man alone, NO ONE would be saved.

[Netwriter]

This god you speak of is the worst of the worst. It is the god of Calvanism. This god creates billions of people with 95% destined for eternal hell fire. What an evil being you worship fiveofgrace, evil beyond imagination. How can you sleep at night believing you will spend eternity with such a evil creature? If it was up to mankind, everyone would go to heaven, everyone. Your evil god belief has your mind twisted in a knot, so you would send everyone but yourself to eternal hell fire.

[fiveofgrace]

Well technically, it is the God of the Bible. Why are they DESTINED for torture, because it is inevitable that they will NOT choose God. No one is forcing them to go their own way, they are doing it themselves. That's why it is said that there is not ONE righteous, there is none who seeks for God. One of the reasons is because they're too busy coming up with their own definitions of what evil is. What I meant was if it was up to man's MERIT, no one. Name's Brian by the way, what's yours?:)

[Netwriter]

Correct, the bible says no one is rightious Romans 3:10 and other places. At the same time it claims many folks were rightious and without sin. Gen 6:9, 7:1, I Kings 15:14, Job1:1-8, Luke 1:6, 2:25, Jas 5:16, II Peter 2:7-8. The bible also says that if you are a christian that you don't sin and can not commit sin. I John 3:6-9. So I ask you Brian, do you ever sin? If you do you are not saved.

[drandersw]

It was a disgusting perversion of those who were stupid in ancient stupid times that killing someone could be a good deed for someone else. Perhaps it stems from a time when someone had to die because there wasn't enough food or someone had to die to defend the tribe from aggressors.

Either way, it is absolutely inexcusable to defend this insanity in this day and age.

Religion has held a taboo but this belief is not worthy of any kind of respect and is instead worthy of ridicule and contempt.

[ClarkeWaldron]

It's sad that this is true. That's why I am opting for cryonic preservation upon death. I hope to be reanimated when religion no longer has such a death-grip on humanity.

[Katalyzt]

★★★★★

[Ep1cure]

0:44 'Let's take a look at this claim' lol. I love that one. I don't think I'll be needing a magnifying glass.

[LaoDecmius]

Great work you are doing Netwriter. Awersome videos!

[cooIbreeze]

Great video Netwriter. Are you superstitious? Or are you only prejudice against those who have superstitions different than you own?

[Netwriter]

I wear a certain jacket when my college team plays, if that counts. I am open to the possibility of there being a spiritual realm to the cosmos, but hold nothing of that subject as a firm belief.

"I am slowly realizing we are not human beings going through a temporary spiritual experience, we are spiritual beings going through a temporary human experience" - Stephen Hawking

[KamratSvenneryd]

where is that last picture from? :)

[Netwriter]

I found it on the web, but don't remember where. It was titled Insanity.

[KamratSvenneryd]

thanks man. :)

[SkyDaddy7]

Excellent video!

[Bedevere13]

Netwriter, I really liked this vid. This one reminded me a bit of Yahtzee's game reviews at Zero Punctuation. There were a lot of points when I was laughing at your funny pictures that went along with the commentary.

Keep up the good work!

[Paxmax]

Hahaha "that unconditional love comes with more strings attached than a marionette"

I also like G.Carlin "... but he loves you!"

[hiddenhobbit]

The Bible also says don't yoke yourselves with unbelievers. You all can keep hating all u want but it won't change a thing. You can't change my beliefs no matter how hard u try. U may yell ignorance but I honestly don't give what you think. I'm done

[Netwriter]

There is no hate here, just pity. I blieve you hiddenhobbit, nothing can change your mind. Truth, nor facts, not even reality can rescue your mind from the brutal bloody bronze age fantasy world in which you live. You are branwashed and in the grip of a death cult. You are a lost cause.

[Aumbomb]

Every time i pray to god, i cut my finger, to give my blood to speak to god. I mean, come on, Jesus my not have existed. I have to make sure my god hears me. And it works. 60% of time, it works all the time. So, cut your finger for god and show those dirty hitler atheist that god is real.

[Paxmax]

AMEN!! Christians should chose atonement all the way! Do it the Jesus way!! Meet your maker! =o)

[a300pilotster]

great vid,

[califoniania]

"Would expect a murderer to get out of life in prison, unless he had someone who instead took his punishment and let the murderer go free. Now u would say, why would anyone let a murderer go free? Because He loves us!"

That's not just, that's not just at all. Letting a murderer go free and punishing another person (no matter how willing) is ludicrous. And what sins did he die for? Original sin (the sin of being born human)? That sin is about as unjust as you can possibly get.

[califoniania]

Original sin is the most bogus sin ever, we never asked to be born. We are born into debt and if we don't repay it we get tortured. What is God, some kind of galactic loan shark? And if it's all sins that are forgiven by Jesus (except apostasy, of course) then it's not just for all the people that are born into the wrong faith or those that work hard to be good people but don't believe. Either way that's SOME "perfect" justice system; it's at about the same level of justness as Saudi Arabia.

[Netwriter]

Well said, califoniania. Too bad the minds of those in the clutches of bronze age superstitions have had their ability to reason warped to the point that they can't even contemplate such crystal clear logic.

[hiddenhobbit]

I understand where u are coming from. I, myself being a follower of Christ, believed that Christ died to satisfy the wrath of God against our sin. God is a just God. Sin cannot be in His presence. Jesus' sacrifice, His blood shed on our behalf, washes us clean of our sin and allows us to come into the presence of Almighty God.

[Netwriter]

Yes hiddenhobbit, this is the mindless twaddle every Christian drones on about. How does blood wash sin away? Why does a being capable of the creating the universe need blood? Please explain your god's obsession with the shedding of blood. Do you ever contemplate that this may all be just the invention of brutal bronze age savages. It seems to fit the mentality of ignorant ancient men, not an omnipotent and omniscient god.

[hiddenhobbit]

Because He is perfect! He is just! Would expect a murderer to get out of life in prison, unless he had someone who instead took his punishment and let the murderer go free. Now u would say, why would anyone let a murderer go free? Because He loves us! Also, why is it ignorant? One more thing, please do not say that you were a Christian for 40 years. You weren't. You will be in my prayers and I hope that you find God someday, and that He saves you from this grievous hate.

[Netwriter]

"God is a just God. Sin cannot be in His presence" - hiddenhobbit

Your bible claims god is omnipresent, yet you claim he can not be in the presence of sin. So which is the truth? Is god everywhere, or can he not be everywhere? Is your god not what the bible claims he is, is his supposed omnipresence limited? Please clear this up for us. Are you intellectually honest enough to admit that your rationalization for blood sacrifice is total crap?

[hiddenhobbit]

If I'm supposed to have an open mind as atheists say I am supposed to, so do you guys. Not that He can't be in the presence of sin, rather sin cannot be in His presence. How are we not eradicated then instantly if God is everywhere? Rather, do u see God face to face every day? Also, the Bible does say that The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.

[Netwriter]

The bible says all kinds of silly things, like it is OK to own slaves, to kill your neighbor for working on the sabbath, to stone your children to death for acting up, that a god can die, that what you do is of no importance, only what you believe. It claims spiritual guidance by the holy spirit yet there are 10K sects of christianity all believing a different interpretation of the same old book. When you can prove your book is trustworthy and by any god, present proof.

[Netwriter]

We are still waiting for you to explain how this blood thing works, hiddenhobbit. Why does a being capable of creating the cosmos need blood? How does blood wash away sin? If my son commits a crime can I cut his puppy's throat and wash that crime away. If not why not. Animal blood did the trick for thousands of years. Why doesn't it work now.  Did your unchanging god change? Please clear this up for us or admit you are both clueless and gullible.

[samsroomie]

"The Bible does say that The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned."

If I ever get around to inventing my own religion, I'm going to include that. "for thou shalt know that it is true, because it makes no sense. And if it seems reasonable, then it is a lie of the evil one. Therefore, believe, and it'll all make sense.

[rjwical]

Probably the most logical thing a theist will try to disagree with. Love the video. Any logical person should promote this video.

[SkullVodka]

It must really suck for god, you know - sending all of the millions of people to hell to burn forever, just because they didn't believe in him. I mean he created us all and loves us. It must be hard up there in heaven with all of that sadness. Or is he happy that all of his children are suffering?

[istofe21]

great vid!

[freedom0f5peech]

That was great!

[JinnJigg]

Hey dude, cute puppy

[sinxcosxtanx]

You got a point for sure here. This is what we call a "paradox"... I challlenge a Creationist to lift that paradox!!

[jissaikun]

lol, i just got done talking with a theist about the " sacrifice." once he/she got to circular reasoning though, i just had to stop talking to him. hes too far gone to be reasoned with or talked to -,-;

[kentmage]

Unconditionally love this video. 5* and favorited.

[SnakeIRye]

5 conditional love? 5 Stars!

[SupportExtantDodo]

I wonder how many christians will watch this video? Netwriter makes a good point is there going to be any attempt to answer it?

5 stars

[G33KN3rd]

I will answer it for my sect is the first Christian sect in the world!

[Netwriter]

So you are an Essene, Geeknerd? I didn't know there were any of them left. Weren't they killed off by the Catholics before they started killing the pagans off?

[G33KN3rd]

now give me all the questions you got!!

[Netwriter]

What is it like living your life with the same beliefs and mentality as bronze age goat herders?

[infinitusverum]

Good points, 5 stars as usual!

Also why does God change personality's throughout the Bible?

Angry,then

Loving,then 

Jelous,then

Wrathful,then

Kind,then

Loving again.

[mecher3k]

Gee all those conditions for this so called "unconditional love."

[puellanivis]

Yeah, I don't understand as well the whole issue between the Christian understanding of "unconditional love" or "all-loving" is. When I pointed out before that one is saved by the grace of their god alone, and not by any action, and that accepting Jesus as a savior would be an action, they quickly rationalize (this is not the same as reasoning) their oddball beliefs that accepting Jesus is not an action, or that "action" means deeds only.

[johnnyk2112]

The reason why I was fooled by x-tianity for ten years is because i thought it explained the experiences i had with energy. X-tians call spiritual feelings, precognitions and synchronicities, the "holy spirit".

[GetMeThere1]

I used to think that saying to xians "I understand how convincing yourself to believe that stuff makes you happy."

But...actually....I DON'T understand HOW they could believe it, or, really, WHY it would even make them happy.

Now I see that what makes them happy is the abandonment of ALL RESPONSIBILITY for difficult, rational dealings with a confusing and often brutal world.

They cast away their mind to avoid....CONFUSION! ;)

[Knowntje]

If you think this is conditional love, you should take a look at calvinism

[SofaKingLoaded]

I unconditionally loved this video..

[calpurnpiso]

Good video but the most important thing is missing. The neurological anomaly that makes people, including the highly educated, to accept absurd irrational deluded beliefs as if they were reality.

Religious beliefs or faith in a god is simply an acceptable name given to a delusions inducing schizotypal disorder that makes people retarded despite their intelligence.

We are born atheist(no belief).A Christian insisting god loves you is no different than a schizophrenic saying Alien Zor loves you

[frankie6092]

"The neurological anomaly that makes people, including the highly educated, to accept absurd irrational deluded beliefs as if they were reality."

My hunch is maybe because they were afraid that there is nothingness after death. And because of this, absurd ideas such as the holy scriptures were readily accepted wide arms open. Not different from the time of osiris.

If we didn't bother when we were not born yet, why would we bother after we die? Ooops I forget they can't be reasoned with.

[calpurnpiso]

frankie6092:"because they were afraid that there is nothingness after death. And because of this, absurd ideas such as the holy scriptures were readily accepted wide arms open"

The problem rest on religious psychosis infected parents & the religious-psychosis infected society in which they live.

If after 7 years of age children begin to be educated in the fact the BRAIN is the creator of gods & this belief can be used as entertainment for the brain, we wouldn't have this retarded problem

[mecher3k]

Religion only survives why brainwashing CHILDREN. They are abusing this children. I child will believe whatever their parents say. Say it enough and it becomes part of them.

This is why I hate religion so much, not because it exists, but how it has continued to exist. Through mind fucking these children.

[diemicro]

clever and insightful

[Rhonda9]

Love Their God or BURN IN HELL....Now that's about as conditional as you can get. And they say if you don't love that idea You Have The Problem...they say! I say to hell with that!

[rednecktrucker1969]

I had to fav this one. I do so love the simple arguments the best.

[bfgoodrik]

Gary, thanks for this video, its like I said, how can any reasonable person love a blood lusting cretin of a god like this even if he was real? Its like this claimed boogeyman of theirs commands love not earns it.

[demaskas]

I enjoyed this video, thanks.

[Clausfarre]

Don't use logic!!! That's totally unfair to the religious hordes of delusion.

Logic applied to religion is like a wind machine next to a house of cards.

[NonStampCollector]

Yeee-haaaaa. I get all that too in my debates on my videos. Nice to know I'm not alone.

I like your "well, I'll be going to heaven too, then!" idea.

[MrBiological]

Also, why do christians, the majority of them on YouTube censor comments, disable ratings and then cruse you out like a dog when you counter argue them? Like you said, they want you to give up all rational thought and reasoning, I mean come on! They claim their god created all things, so god created the problem, then creates the solution, why cause the problem to begin with if your omnipotent? Divine Perfect plan, pure rubbish and mythology.

Bronze Age myths dictated by Iron Fist!

[sonic8005]

Iron fist? I'd say "iron ignorance, and the fear/assertion that there's an iron fist that'll beat the shit outta you if you don't accept whatever they tell you"...

[JustinHampel]

Iron ignorance that seems as though it very well may be the result of being beaten on the head with an iron fist repeatedly.

[MrBiological]

Christians are broken retards, err records I mean.

[sparklingcolors]

I have never understood the need of a blood sacrifice. Why is it necessary for Jesus to be tortured to death so God can forgive our sins? And Jesus is God, also. All of this blood-letting in the past makes no sense to me. It is horrible!

[Rhonda9]

sparklingcolors, This brought to mind something I read out of Dan Barker's book, Losing Faith in Faith:

"A cross is not beautiful. It is an emblem of humiliation, agony, and death, no matter how you look at it. It represents a public execution, like a gallows, guillotine, or gas chamber...Try to picture a steeple supporting an electric chair, or imagine people wearing noose jewelry!"

[Largo64]

Imagine that Jesus was executed by firing squad. Then you'd have people wearing little rifle jewelry, and praying before images of the "holy rifle."

I can hear the altar call now: "Ready on the right. Ready on the left. Ready on the firing line. Ready, take aim, FIRE! OH, THE BLESSED BULLETS! HALLELUJAH!"

[ElusiveAnole]

lol To quote Lenny Bruce, "And youre lucky he [Jesus] didnt come along in the 20th century, or all those parochial school kids would be wearing a little electric chair around their necks."

[Rhonda9]

Dan Barker had something to say about bullets as he continues:

"Suppose someone saved your life by blocking a terrorists attack, but died from the bullets. Would you hang little gold machine guns on your ears? Would you want to be confronted with the grisly details, day after day?"

[hellshade2]

i almost choked on my lunch wehen i read this one largo :P

[hellshade2]

it's interesting you brought up noose jewelry rhonda. back when pirates of the carribean 3 was released there was a jeweler that had made such a set think it was a noose pendant and earings which was supposed to commemorete the movie. many people took great offense at the significance and the line was dropped. and rightly so...

[Rhonda9]

hellshade2, When people venerate brutality and violence as something beautiful, I think its important that people call them out on it. Yet many decent people never give much thought about the symbols they revere, in that way. It would be interesting to know how many Christians took offense to the noose jewelry, yet never gave their cross a second thought.

[ChuckyJesus666]

I've never understood why a deity needs our affection? Why would an infinite being need or want our "praise and worship?" Why would he she or it have affection for us? I would think an infinite intelligence, one which was omniscient, would be beyond emotions of any kind. This is and has always clearly been humans projecting their own emotions on to the universe.

[ulthea]

I too find it amusing that not only is their God's love based purely on their worship to him (vanity), but that the bad actions of one person makes us all sinners forever, while any good deeds do not grant the same.

I am sure you will get many here making excuses for this conditional love.