Has the PAP succeeded? or over-succeeded? - part 1

[hong619]

@greyrubberbands:

4. Finally, pertaining to 'parental unconditional love toward children' & 'decisions made by parents on behalf of their children', please do not mistake my comments on 'gratitude' & that I assume. I was merely speaking from the perspective that I believe parents in general, have their children's best interest at heart. Yes, parents make mistakes & not all parents make the best of decisions, but you can't deny that MOST parents will do almost ANYTHING to protect their young.

[hong619]

@greyrubberbands:

3. The electoral process is most certainly not a "leader changing" mechanism that we can exploit or make use of, per se. It should be something taken into serious consideration prior to execution (ie: ballot, vote). It is a process that allows the 'people to rate & remind' the incumbent, but yes, when extreme times/needs call for it, a 'required change'. Imagine your leader being changed every five years, there will be a reduction in long-term stability.

[hong619]

@greyrubberbands:

2. Again, I agree with you, that parents do not necessarily provide 'unconditional love' for their children, & most certainly does not extend to the relationships between leaders and the people. That said, do be reminded that because leaders ARE children and parents themselves, & not unmarried family-less people, they have mentalities that, together with education & experiences, should allow for decisions & judgments that "makes sense" to the majority & general public.

[hong619]

@greyrubberbands:

hello! Thank you for your comments!

1. I specifically mentioned that I was not referring to the 'parents' as the PAP & the 'children' as the citizens. How viewers draw their conclusions are up to them, am merely providing an analogy to how we could lead our lives. Again, it's merely my personal opinion. Indeed, children do not have the opportunity to choose their parents, but in someway or another, it is because of our parents' hardwork that allowed for our opportunities.

[greyrubberbands]

Thirdly, we cannot change our parents. But the electoral process is a platform to "change" our leaders. More specifically, I'm also saying that the PAP of the past might not be the same as the current PAP. It is NOT a given that parents always have their child's best interests at heart. If they mistreat their children, parents have to face consequences as well. This is not ingratitute.

Fourthly, why are are you assuming that guardians cant be more caring than biological parents?

[greyrubberbands]

I think that you presented your case well and coherently. However, it is fallacious, almost deceptive to use the family unit as an analogy.

Firstly, the relationship between a government and the people is nothing like a family. The "people" appoint their leaders. Children do not "choose" their parents.

Secondly, one cant presume that there is an unrefutable, "unconditional love" that exists between parents and their children, and by extension exists between the leaders and the "people"

[hong619]

@faizalle - Let me offer my opinion. If we spend every five years voting in and voting out a government and it's leaders, then every five years, there will be no consistency. Without a long-term consistency, there will be no stability. Without a lone-term stability, there will be no progress and thus no future. I cannot reiterate enough, the importance of a small nation to be continually united and stable for us to 'fight off external factors' better.

:-)

[iamabee1]

@hong619 Agree. Sometimes, I think coz Singapore is so successful that we fail to realise that we are actually just a very small island surrounded by big boys. We are so absorbed in ourselves, that we fail to see how a disruptive government can crumble the whole nation within a very short time.

[hong619]

@faizallee - Indeed! You are absolutely right to say that we as informed & educated citizens should not worry nor fear the government. I do not think the goverment should 'fear' the people as well. Nonetheless, there are political realities in Singapore we have to be cautious about.

[hong619]

@TheBlim004 - Look, I ain't here looking for a fight, nor creating a 'who has better English' contest. If the videos I make offend you, look elsewhere. Maybe you are smarter than most and thus do not require examples and analogies to 'get the bigger picture'.

Chill.

[faizallee]

The general elections are about voting in/out a party based upon their past actions, not from the 60s but from 2006 (previous GE). We cannot fall into a being a society which ends up 'kowtowing' to the government for their 'good service' for citizens owe politicians nothing. I am not advocating ungratefulness, since they are well rewarded with corporate rate wages. "When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny." - Thomas Jefferson

[hong619]

@TheBlim004 -

as I mentioned in my 'rebuttal video', it will be absolutely pointless for me to be 'direct' by saying something like "Vote PAP", without giving examples to substantiate my claim...

think about it... if i said "You like men with six-pack abs", that will merely be a statement without substance. If I said "You like men with six-packs abs because you live a healthy lifestyle", that will have been more effective..

to some people, examples are needed to exemplify...

:-)

[TheBlim004]

@hong619 HTW do you come up with lines like "...examples are needed to exemplify". Luckily you're neither a spin doctor nor speech writer. I'll get to the point, your analogies are tiresome and irrelevant. Maybe you should use type in Mandarin or speak in Cantonese who knows... either that or go become a story teller.

And yes I want 6 pack abs. Vanity is constant.

[TheBlim004]

I hate analogies. Two stints at uni and you haven't learnt how to be succinct.



[wako407]

We are not overly well protected. We are just really ignorant and ill informed. Recently I have moved overseas to study, and I got to say it has been an eye opening experience for me. The shelter we live in is to create generations to boost the economy in Singapore and not talk back against the parliament. It is true that Singapore does really well protecting its people. But when it comes to morality and empathy to other countries, that's where Singapore has fucked up. Say no to the WTO.

[hong619]

thanks for all the comments thus far.. I will incorporate all my rebuttal in the 3rd video I am currently preparing..

That said, apologies to all who find this a waste of time, I appreciate you people the most because you remind me why I am doing this.

To the mother of 2 "iamabee", just for being a mother, I salute you! Happy Mothers Day in advance, and all the best raising your two boys!

:-)

[iamabee1]

@hong619 thank you ;)

[WoodlandSpore]

We have been brainwashed into thinking the alternative of current govt will be chaos and despair. Using your analogy, is the boat steady in the first place? Do you only have 1 boat now? With our external economy, we have more than 1 Sampan.

If we think clearly Singapore's economy is largest FX trading center in Asia, 4th largest economy in ASEAN. unless you think all the bureacrats will abandon their jobs on 9th May, there is no worry on changing crew.

[Jazpy]

@WoodlandSpore I think the boat is steady.. but is not moving as fast as b4....I agree tat there is no worry on changing crew.. tats provided that the new crew is as good as the old if not better.. but currently i dun see how the opp are as gd or better than the current govt... everyone can point finger when things goes wrg..no one is perfect, no policies is perfect.. imagine u are an artist.. when your art work cant sell... everyone can tell u that it is no gd but can they do better???

[iamabee1]

hi, i'm a mum of 2 and I have many times think of the similarities between running a country & running a household. It is tough to educate 2 boys at home, to bring out the best in them & to see that they grow into responsible individuals. What more a govt. I think our govt has done a superb job - not without mistakes but no one is perfect.

At least, I know they do it out of love for Singapore.

I thank you for this video done ;) (althou i'd like it more if there's no profanity used)

[iamabee1]

hi, i'm a mum of 2 and I have many times think of the similarities between running a country & running a household. It is tough to educate 2 boys at home, to bring out the best in them & to see that they grow into responsible individuals. What more a govt. I think our govt has done a superb job - not without mistakes but no one is perfect.

At least, I know they do it out of love for Singapore.

I thank you for this video done ;) (althou i'd like it more if there's no profanity used)

[AstroninjaTV]

...less ideal in the face of global changes. Nevertheless, very eloquent post, although you still kind of sound and look like a douchie - but that's just my subjective biased opinion :P

[chamauricese]

@AstroninjaTV Thumbs up for the apophasis mention!

No hard feelings but that is 10 minutes I will never see again in my life. Get to the point and do wipe that smirk off the face.

But of course knowing your types, you'd be hasty to discount our comments and deem us as random veiled Netizens who speak before they think.

cheers.

[AstroninjaTV]

@chamauricese Actually, I totally admire the power of Netizens. Remember what happened in Malaysia recently in their elections? The collective power of Netizenship has the impetus to change the political landscape in Singapore. I am an active participant myself, otherwise I wouldn't have even encountered this video in the first place.

[AstroninjaTV]

If your degrees don't matter, there's no need to mention them in the first place. That's an apophasis, when in saying that you won't mention something, you mention it. So now, I won't mention that I'm a Ph.D candidate in Political Science, since it is irrelevant in my insinuation that your logic is based upon erroneous presumptions. The PAP have largely adopted a paternal stance to governance - as you have implied - but such a top-down approach to ruling have been historically shown to be...

[newaube]

Well said, but when the parents have 2 children of their own, adopted 2 more and baby sit another 4. The 2 children were neglected as most of their basic needs were not addressed. In addition, they have to share the same house and household amenities with 6 other children whom don't speak their language. What the children want is to have some adults to tell their parents about their problems. Hopefully their parents could listen.

[hong619]

hi Meow7983:

thanks for the comments.. i fully agree with you on believing that many Singaporeans have began taking things for granted.. it is unfortunate that there does not seem to be any solutions..

[meow7983]

I so agree with what you said. I being to many countries and I have seen how the living conditions there. I dare to say that singaporeans are too well cared for that we start to take things for granted