Le Havre - with Tom Vasel

[Blahdabbadoo]

I think I'd like something to control those tiles from spiralling into a complete mess. Any ideas?

I can't go through the whole game tidying the stack for everyone. It'll also make others more mindful of making a mess and I don't want my finicky neatness to cause unease to others. It's a game, enjoy it.

Well I try, but the mess!

[TurdCaptain]

Easily the most boring game ever made. Wow, I can change one material into another? And it only took 4 turns? Wow! That's exciting! After playing this stupid game with 10 other people(just to be fair and see if I was missing anything), with the exception of two who thought it was just ok, we thought is sucked. How many different spins can you put on a Euro game? We grats - they found one more painfully boring we to make one. Changing one material to another?

[Gerstein1]

Underated....It's 6 on boardgamegeek!

[alexisduseptsix]

Je vis dans cette ville.

[Darklordbrink]

I played this once and I had 15 food production from ships by the middle of the game. I found steel to be way to important to ignore so i personally like Agricola better but really you can's go wrong with either game. Just depends what you are looking for.

[brocantoise]

je ne connais pas ce jeu, mais je vis dans la ville : LE HAVRE en FRANCE

BISOUS

[BertisWorldYT]

@brocantoise cool, c'est où, le havre?

bisous

[alexisduseptsix]

@BertisWorldYT En Haute Normandie

[Zendrig]

Great game! I can really recommend it for anybody who's not afraid of the numerous parts and options it provides. You'll need quite some time, 1-4 likeminded friends and an interest in tactical optimization.

[Nickthetoast]

Looks kinda similar to Puerto Rico?

[Pozer714]

Cool, I have this game, not even opened yet. Looks really fun though. Thanks Tom!

[ertytref]

5:23

"and so this is a really useful way of changing grain into wood"

Hehe.

[Darklordbrink]

@ertytref that would be some interesting wood lol

[bovalexia]

Thanks Tom, Le Havre is an excellent game. It's not really like Agricola at all once you get past the surface--and it's deep.

[senorcoo]

This game is wonderful! If the myriad of bits scares you, just buy some round bead trays or petri dishes that fit right on the spaces. Makes setup a snap!

[aznlillucy]

woah that's confusing

[msosa01]

Le Havre feels overwhelming with too options (which is why I have done poorly) is longer than Agricola and less interesting thematically. I pass on this one.

[pukerslaker]

Thanks for the indepth review of one of the newer, metier games. I really like the look of this one - shame it begins to drag with the full quota of players as games normally fill up to max at our group. I am certainly going to pick it up though.

[bjacob0923]

Thanks for this video, we have had the game for about a month but have just been a bit overwhelmed on where to start to even get a game going. I have read and looked over everything again and with the help of this video have a clearer understanding of what is going on. (i think)

[jfridy]

This is a game that can cause option overload easily. Once you've played it some and know what you want to do, you can start really building strategies.

[sonofabippi]

You can do a solo game or two to get the feel for it before going 'primetime' with it.

[bblindreality]

Interesting how opinions can vary. I love Agricola but I don't care for this game at all. It just takes waaaaay to long. Even with three players.

Still, a good review.

[Arvias]

Le Havre > Agricola

[StexeGod]

Found an error in the video.

At 5:14 you say "wood is only worth one food," while in reality wood isn't worth food and neither is grain.

[BassDad77]

O my a slip of the tongue I can't believe you even bothered to point this out. lol

[StexeGod]

Probably because it could confuse someone watching the video? Especially if you're trying to learn some of the basic rules from it, this could throw you a curve ball.

[StexeGod]

Le Havre is like a mix between Agricola and Caylus, with a little bit of some other games mixed in. I found it fairly interesting and plan to get it eventually, but I can understand the complaints with the game (too many buildings to keep track of, resources are double sided and flip over easily, ect). Still a good game in my books.

[Fardog45]

Great review Tom. Thanks.

[tempusavatar]

I would have liked to have seen a comparison to Agricola, seeing how similar the two products appear.

Something like, "If you liked Agricola, here's justification for trying/buying Le Havre" or "If you DIDN'T like Agricola, here's justification why you should try Le Havre anyway."

[StexeGod]

Here is my try at your questions.

If you liked Agricola, you should buy/try Le Havre because it has a lot of similarities in the worker placement aspect. You also collect resources and use them to build and expand. Also you have to pay a rising food cost each round so you're constantly feeling the pressure like in Agricola.

If you didn't like Agricola, Le Harve features less randomness because there are no special player cards and there is more interaction from the buildings owned.

[Areopagus]

It's Puerto Rico and Agricola all over again... What a bunch of crap

[retroarcadefan]

What's the oozing theme in this game that you like so much Tom? Wow.. Looks like the board game equivalent of a sleeping pill to me.

[Ogma01]

Good lord, I despise games like this! Caylus, Agricola, this... They're too close to business simulations, for my taste.

[ForbiddianSC]

Omg, how is this DIFFERENT than Agricola?

It looks like the same damn game, even down to the Beggar/Loan cards and the circular chits representing guys.

The cards add some randomization. Each turn, you move the ship to get resources, and you choose to pick between gaining resources or using the resources. Every few turns, you need to feed your guys.

[tchock622]

thanks tom, big fan of uwe and thought you did a great job with the review! nice to know you enjoy the game as much as i do!

[Serp1313]

Great review.