@rattondeldesierto Zappa claimed most often to be a "pragmatic conservative". He was fiscally conservative, very much a capitalist. But socially , and as strict politics, he claimed a wide libertarian streak. I suggest reading more from his own lips, and video interviews. Zappa also had his own share of inconsistencies- that's the way we're built.
Great stuff. It is so refreshing to see America ( as we knew it ) embracing true artistry. Nowadays we are lucky to find anything of true value being promoted by the mass media, with few exceptions, which I won't take time to mention here. Lady gaga and justin beebler are not among them. Thank you for posting a true moment of American idealism and an icon who was and will forever be remebered as a pioneer.
I was born in November 1976 and a devoted Zappa fan and supporter, just not in the athletic sense. I know what you older fans are saying I'm maybe too young, but I WAS AROUND
RIP FZ. Ever notice how boring music, TV, movies became since reptiles & 'political correctness" took over? killing creativity+ free expression..We have no good music anymore. No good movies, TV is an absolute WASTELAND of BS. Forget about radio! Total shit. Nothing thought stimulating or conscience elevating. No depth or meaning, to encourage critical thinking. Just wasteland of mindless, spiritless, corporate business class drivel. Music has been reduced to dumbed-down image dominated cat food
@rg2027x Much of life is sifting through the useless shit and taking away only what you believe to be worthwhile. I wouldn't go so far as to say that there is absolutely nothing worthwhile out there, because that would be generalizing, but it certainly is true that things have really gone downhill. One of the few benefits we do enjoy now is instant freedom of viewing, thanks to the Web. Could you imagine how much travel and labor would be involved trying to hunt all this shit down back then?
@GeorgeDRange True, but back then we didn't have to hunt for it. the consciousness was different. Great works and music were mainstreamed, nationwide. to the collective. Not hidden, buried where you must search wide & far if to find at all. We have all this amazing technology & internet now, but less soul+ humanity. And the music has, shall we say, "taken a dive into the proverbial shit hole" :) Yah there's good stuff out now but doesn't speak to me emotionally..just surface level
@rg2027x That is, you didn't have to hunt for it unless you had a reason. As a onetime volunteer scene writer, I found the Internet to be an invaluable and irreplaceable tool. I literally found thing that simply would have been impossible back in the day (i.e., a cellphone video of Taimane Gardner shredding "Wipeout" on her ukulele on the streets of Waikiki. See: "Crazy Ukulele Girl") It really added life to my article to be able to share something spontaneous like that!
@rg2027x In short, the research I could do on an artist online in an hour would have taken days on library research, as well as digging through archives, (where allowed!) and that one gem I found would have sat in somebody's home movies, occasionally viewed by a very few, for decades.
@rattondeldesierto Contrary to what frank said,he was a major far left liberal guy.A true secular progressive.His admission of being a conservative was a bunch of shit coming from him. Maybe he was very strict with his discipline on his musical approach and behaved with a conservative touch,totally against drugs,a strict family man etc. but he was a true secular.
@fadethetrade : what makes you think that secular ( i think you mean secular in the sense of humanist) must be Liberal. There are secular Humanist conservatives and Libertarians.
Zappa was NOT a 'liberal', regardless of anything, though. he lampooned 'liberals' mercilessly.
WIKIPEDIA REFERENCE: "In another sense, it refers to the view that human activities and decisions, especially political ones, should be unbiased by religious influence". Zappa was extremely biased against Reagans ideals of conservative far right theorcratic fascism.
@rattondeldesierto You forgot,"almost towards Atilla the hun" then he was interrupted by that schmuck john lofton from the washington post who said "well you must be an anarchist frank because every society has to have some type of morality frank. Frank replied,"morality in terms of behavior,not in terms of theocracy
@rattondeldesierto ----I think I saw that one. Watch his debate with Candy Shroud on the "NightWatch", that may have been the one I mentioned. If not, it may have been the "Frank Zappa on Crossfire" one, either way, they're both entertaining.
@rattondeldesierto --------Frank referred to himself as a conservative during one of his PMRC-related debates in the 80's. He's certainly less conservative than any of the conservatives I know. Keep in mind that "conservative" doesn't necessarily mean "republican"... Frank wasn't really on either political "side".
@rattondeldesierto ----Frank was a conservative, and he referred to himself as a "conservative". He didn't think much of Reagan or his conservative method, he probably thought that Reagan's conservative attitude was inferior to his own.
I can't criticize the video quality because the content is so wonderful. Kenny Rogers, JJ Walker and Frank Zappa? Freakin' awesome!! And I remember that music video (I'm old). Thank you!!!!
I love that melody at the end of inca roads. among other things, zappa could really write some beautiful melodies, not to mention was one hell of a songwriter too
@ 1:29 is he talking about Captain Beefheart? He didn't have a proper education and he didn't start teaching himself about the normal world til he was like 30 years old and he went pretty nuts I think. I know it's rumored (pretty much fact) that Captain Beefheart took a ton of LSD, and not just assumedly because he was so far out...this is actually from close personal friends' first hand accounts.
If it is that's the first time Frank referenced it publicly.
Songcycle67, I don't think FZ is talking about Captain Beefheart. CB did his share of hallucinogens, but he also carefully crafted his public image and those rumors were part of it. Off camera he was always very together. The Captain was a very eloquent (and sober) spokesman for some environmental causes after the age range that FZ mentions. Also check the Captain's two appearances on David Letterman, CB's clearly in control of himself.
It applies to Sugarcane in any case, whether this was who Frank had in mind or not. Let the record show: Even when Harris "couldn't tie his shoes", (or make it to the stage on his own power), he always put on a great show once he'd had his shoes tied for him, (& was put on stage0.
Yes and no. I've seen the concert footage before here on youtube. However, you can buy the FZ movie "Baby Snakes" which has all of this same Bickford animation but with different (a later concert) intermixed with it. I highly recommend it. The music is fantastic and the animation is really great too.
The Inca Roads film is on the "Dub Room Special" DVD that you can get just about anywhere, like Borders or something. The DVD is lacking some stuff that was in the original VHS version, though.
Actually, the misdiagnosis of his original prostate condition meant that he failed to get any treatment until it was to late - and by then the cancer had already spread to other oragans which then led to his premature passing - (NOTE TO SELF AND OTHER BLOKES TO GET PROSTATE CHECKED)]
Zappa would probably have been President of the U.S.A. instead of Bush if he had lived.
So many of the fans at Zappa's concerts were shit-faced and stoned out of their heads, I think Frank developed a real distaste for drug and alcohol abusers. I don't think he actually cared whether people did drugs themselves, he just didn't use them himself. Except he chain smoked horribly.
I agree with bobjb999 that smoking likely contributed to Frank's contracting prostate cancer, as a link has been made, but something is going to kill us.
That sounds a radical treatment for a sinus infection, and if he passed the pellets, they could very well have been close enough to his prostate to have an effect.
That doesn't change the fact that a lifetime of chain smoking causes chronic inflammation and introduces known carcinogens (often additives put into the cigarets by the manufacturers to make them more addicting) that can cause cancer in almost every organ system.
Mike disses tobacco & Frank fails to admit his own HYPOCRISY as unrepentent smoker & defender of his own DRUG ADDICTION to tobacco, "my favourite vegetable", he said! We now know smoking raises risk for lots of cancers,not just the obvious ones, & tobacco may have helped cause Frank's own fatal prostate cancer. -But smokers can always tie their shoes, tobacco doesn't mess up your BRAIN?? Well smoking likely KILLED Frank's BRAIN along with his body, & he can't do shoe (or guitar) strings now..
You've got a point. Same as Ian Anderson. Ian was always very adamant in his dislike of drugs but he was a maniacal cigarette smoker and a heavy drinker. At least Ian is still alive. I believe he quit smoking some years back.
I didn't know that about Ian. It sounds like possible " projection" in both cases, where people project their own unrecognized faults onto others, instead of being honest, recognizing and admitting a similar faults exist in themselves too!
I believe that FZ's dislike of drugs was aimed at the mind-altering drugs, specifically. He wanted people who could think, or at least able to perform their respective tasks. Tobacco is bad, but it didn't fall in that category.
No, smoking didn't "kill" his brain. There's no real evidence to suggest that tobacco was the cause of his prostate cancer. So your point is moot. And Zappa's hypocrisy was minimal seeing as he already described specifically what he meant by drugs and why he considered tobacco the exception. Besides, so what if tobacco killed him? It's very much NOT the same as being an addict of the hard drugs Zappa was against.
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"Middle-aged men who are long-term heavy SMOKERS face TWICE THE RISK OF developing aggressive forms of PROSTATE CANCER than men who have never smoked, according to findings of the Public Health Sciences Div. [U. of Washington]." Smoking kills brains (& bodies) of 400,000+ Americans each year. Many musicians using MUCH LESS LETHAL coke/ junk /pot Frank demonized,are highly&happily making good music still. But BRAIN-DEAD FRANK'S been rendered INCAPABLE of playing/singing/writing EVER AGAIN!
That still doesn't prove that Zappa got Prostate Cancer specifically from smoking. Just because his risk was higher, doesn't mean that correlation was the causation. And really, coke less lethal? I don't think Zappa was ever against being killed from a drug, it was the stupid behavior a particular drug can cause. I don't know about you, but potheads when stoned are more annoying to me then smokers of tobacco.
#3349. Season 15, Ep 49: November 11, 1976Jimmie Walker co-hosts; guests include singer Kenny Rogers, Frank Zappa and comedienne Elayne Boosler. Mike visits Donny & Marie Osmond in Hollywood. And Michael Medvin & David Wallechinsky, authors talk about what has happened to the Class of 1965. Highlights: Frank Zappa performs "Black Napkins" from "Zoot Allures" album.
A couple of things which stand out quite pleasantly from these two episodes:
1) Mike Douglas seems to be one of the most genuine and understanding hosts ever to talk to Zappa - specifically that he seems to recognise Zappa was quite nervous and allows him to find his own pace in order to express himself.
2) Zappa's guitar playing was quite stunningly inventive and fearless.The influence on Vai is quite easy to hear.
Also - two-hand tapping in '76 as a means of musical expression. Fantastic :)
what was great about this show is the slower pace and longer guest spots that would allow a relaxed discussion, a live performance AND a 2 minute video. and remember, Frank Zappa was the third guest. makes leno, letterman and the rest seem such a rip off.
That performance of Token of My Extreme is on From the Dub Room Floor. Ruth on vibes! HFC-Almighty! What a band. It switches between that and a Halloween show with Steve Vai.
This is the COOLEST!!! How 'bout that just walking out to the cheesy little stage on the Mike Douglas Show, plugging into unfamiliar amp and belting out Zoot sounding fantastic. Man the guy could play. Thanks for posting this.
@Iwasateenagemaltshop Damn. You're right. I don't know why I thought that was some larger amp. must have been tired or something... How 'bout that back-up though? Not exactly the real band, eh. God I miss this guy...
a great guy, i miss him very much. i met him once and also had the opportunity to speak to him on the telephone in 1984. he was very pleasant. it was a chance thing. RIP
What a breath of fresh air to see Zappa with Douglas -- a reminder that American TV was not always dominated by screamers and right wing scum. I was too young to appreciate this at the time; god, what a wasteland has replaced it.
@v1m Hello. I am a Zappa fanatic. And I am also a right wing scum, surrounded by kind, compassionate tolerant and open minded people who are doing all they can to sway me over to their side by referring to me as "scum", etc.
@pazzensutra Yeah, and Frank was a conservative btw. Everyone always wants to feel this "well things were different in THE OLD TIMES!" sentiment. Dig this; most tv sucked back then. Most of it sucks today (to include Fox AND msnbc). And tv's future sure ain't bright.
You know, back in MYYYY DAYYYYY, people weren't quite so simple.
Of course it works! And that was the genius of the first generation of talkshows! To get three or four intelligent, creative people who, otherwise, would have nothing in common, in the same place at the same time, and get them to interact, and let us eavesdrop! I remember a Dick Cavett with a very young Richard Pryor and a very old Bette Davis. He was in awe of her, she didn't even know who he was, but was very nice to him, and it was fantastic!
I buy the DVD Baby Snaks because I want to see the animation and listen the music in your full size. But isn't there!?!!?! I want to know where I found this video because this is not included in Baby Snakes, please...some one knows?!?!? PLEEEEEASE!!!!!
I buy, yesterday Baby Snakes. But I don't see this video. have some animations but THAT IN THIS VIDEO, ... dont have. Every day I cry and I want to see all, please, sombody knows where I found it?
It was re-released 2004 by 101 Entertainment, it's a DVD called "A token of his extreme"; made out of two shows in LA. Amazing stuff. I saw it the first time on german television in the late 70ies and since then searched for it...
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Great Interview and a ood glimpse of some of the other people whoo wer catching the public's eye at the time. For the little Peckary who complained about the edit. You can see the whole thing on the dvd, Baby Snakes.
Ha ha. That reminds me of a quote from Grace Slick from her '70s boozing days, lamenting the high price of Dom Perignon champagne. "Now THAT'S what I call a drug problem!", she said.
Gah! I SAW this episode when it was broadcast! I've had that image in my head of the guitarists finger biting the other finger since I was thirteen! I've never seen it since until now.
Take Note!~ Keep in mind what year this was, and watch that animation clip they played closely...20 years later Peter Gabriel decides to use animation very similar in his "Sledgehammer" video!
yeah, he knew what Frank stood for musically and respectfully acknowledged buying into it and FZ doesn't knock him for it--Frank was a consummate gentleman in many ways
45 times from 1974-1993 I saw Frank.Saw Baby Snakes at the new york Premier.Was at the old Ritz on 11th St when Ladies and Gentleman Another Great Italian,Al Dimeola showed up to play Clowns on Velvet.Frank opened up the show playing one of Hendrix's burned STrats.He played like he had just beaten the Devil at the Crossroads.I saw this appearance when it originally aired.I cant stop crying.The Modern Day Composer Has Died.
Frank Zappa was the best at whatever he did! Play guitar,interviews,compose & my favorite live concerts for I had the chance to see him 2 times best shows I ever saw. Zappa fan 4ever
There is almost an hour of the bickford claymation on the zappa movie "Baby Snakes" 1977. VERY hard to find and I have seen none of it posted here. Excellent concert footage and claymation. I bought a bootleg copy of the video years ago, lots of luck. I could post some but have no idea how
The animation is from Inca Roads (not Florentine Pogen), and there's a clip of the entire tune posted on YouTube. It features lots more Bickford animation, plus some incredible live footage of the Roxy and Elsewhere/One Size Fits All-era Mothers -- especially Ruth Underwood on marimba and timpani. Just search on "Inca Roads".
I just recently join youtube. I been a big FZ fan just about all my life. I been looking for this bickford animation since 75 74, somewhere in there, since I saw FZ on the midnight special. I never seen him on the M. Douglas Show, this was great. I wish the the band and him could have rehearsed longer and the audio was better.
I think it's funny that Jimmy Walker seems almost apoligetic that he's into James Taylor. Even Kenny Rogers seemed like he had to "justify" the type of classical music he liked to Frank.
well, the problem is most music stores still reject zappas music. sure you can find the occasional dvd but for the most part only the true zappa fans have kept his music alive buying online. also, mike douglas as "square" as he seemed has always been a friend to many great musicians. keep the videos coming and thanks. pappap999 @ california, pa.
No problem Multuminipapapa, the excerpt(animation) that you see is FZ's fabulous guitar solo during 'Florentine Pogen' for that TV special. YOu can get this commercially on the 'Dub Room special' DVD that should be in stock at your local store or online.
I wish someone had a cleaner longer video of the guy who did the animation, his stuff is sooo wild!The Amazing Bruce Bickford, :) What ever happend to him I wonder?
YOu can now buy the DVD of it in major record stores for 25 bucks. It has tons of animation, plus songs from two different shows. One from 74 and one from 81. It's called the "Dub Room Special"
BACH & Segovia Joni Mitchell yup.
Boldstrummer 2 months ago
@toneshards
"A Night On Freak Mountain!"
5jerry1 4 months ago
Who's the guy with a beard on the right? He looks familiar.
DimensionsofChange 5 months ago
@DimensionsofChange Kenny Rogers
glenndp 4 months ago
@glenndp ah.....nope, I have no idea who that is, but I'm 19 and like Frank Zappa. Ergo I deserve a million thumbs ups
DimensionsofChange 4 months ago
Kenny Rogers
glenndp 4 months ago
@rattondeldesierto Zappa claimed most often to be a "pragmatic conservative". He was fiscally conservative, very much a capitalist. But socially , and as strict politics, he claimed a wide libertarian streak. I suggest reading more from his own lips, and video interviews. Zappa also had his own share of inconsistencies- that's the way we're built.
jtzeyes1 5 months ago
Great stuff. It is so refreshing to see America ( as we knew it ) embracing true artistry. Nowadays we are lucky to find anything of true value being promoted by the mass media, with few exceptions, which I won't take time to mention here. Lady gaga and justin beebler are not among them. Thank you for posting a true moment of American idealism and an icon who was and will forever be remebered as a pioneer.
mynameisjbone 6 months ago
i'm getting da seizures
Diosukekun 9 months ago
Thank you SO much for posting this invaluable piece of footage.
jonsilence 10 months ago
FRANK ZAPPA WAS PURE GENIUS
Pukeman44 1 year ago
I was born in November 1976 and a devoted Zappa fan and supporter, just not in the athletic sense. I know what you older fans are saying I'm maybe too young, but I WAS AROUND
MrMyfmyf 1 year ago
RIP FZ. Ever notice how boring music, TV, movies became since reptiles & 'political correctness" took over? killing creativity+ free expression..We have no good music anymore. No good movies, TV is an absolute WASTELAND of BS. Forget about radio! Total shit. Nothing thought stimulating or conscience elevating. No depth or meaning, to encourage critical thinking. Just wasteland of mindless, spiritless, corporate business class drivel. Music has been reduced to dumbed-down image dominated cat food
rg2027x 1 year ago 5
@rg2027x Much of life is sifting through the useless shit and taking away only what you believe to be worthwhile. I wouldn't go so far as to say that there is absolutely nothing worthwhile out there, because that would be generalizing, but it certainly is true that things have really gone downhill. One of the few benefits we do enjoy now is instant freedom of viewing, thanks to the Web. Could you imagine how much travel and labor would be involved trying to hunt all this shit down back then?
GeorgeDRange 1 month ago
@GeorgeDRange Actually, I mean to say "choice of viewing". "Freedom" would be a bit pretentious!
GeorgeDRange 1 month ago
@GeorgeDRange True, but back then we didn't have to hunt for it. the consciousness was different. Great works and music were mainstreamed, nationwide. to the collective. Not hidden, buried where you must search wide & far if to find at all. We have all this amazing technology & internet now, but less soul+ humanity. And the music has, shall we say, "taken a dive into the proverbial shit hole" :) Yah there's good stuff out now but doesn't speak to me emotionally..just surface level
rg2027x 1 month ago
@rg2027x That is, you didn't have to hunt for it unless you had a reason. As a onetime volunteer scene writer, I found the Internet to be an invaluable and irreplaceable tool. I literally found thing that simply would have been impossible back in the day (i.e., a cellphone video of Taimane Gardner shredding "Wipeout" on her ukulele on the streets of Waikiki. See: "Crazy Ukulele Girl") It really added life to my article to be able to share something spontaneous like that!
GeorgeDRange 1 month ago
@rg2027x In short, the research I could do on an artist online in an hour would have taken days on library research, as well as digging through archives, (where allowed!) and that one gem I found would have sat in somebody's home movies, occasionally viewed by a very few, for decades.
GeorgeDRange 1 month ago
@rattondeldesierto Contrary to what frank said,he was a major far left liberal guy.A true secular progressive.His admission of being a conservative was a bunch of shit coming from him. Maybe he was very strict with his discipline on his musical approach and behaved with a conservative touch,totally against drugs,a strict family man etc. but he was a true secular.
fadethetrade 1 year ago
@fadethetrade : what makes you think that secular ( i think you mean secular in the sense of humanist) must be Liberal. There are secular Humanist conservatives and Libertarians.
Zappa was NOT a 'liberal', regardless of anything, though. he lampooned 'liberals' mercilessly.
BobTheRecordGuy 8 months ago
@BobTheRecordGuy He was a secular progressive.
WIKIPEDIA REFERENCE: "In another sense, it refers to the view that human activities and decisions, especially political ones, should be unbiased by religious influence". Zappa was extremely biased against Reagans ideals of conservative far right theorcratic fascism.
fadethetrade 8 months ago
@rattondeldesierto I meant ,"theology" not theocracy.My mistake.
fadethetrade 1 year ago
@rattondeldesierto You forgot,"almost towards Atilla the hun" then he was interrupted by that schmuck john lofton from the washington post who said "well you must be an anarchist frank because every society has to have some type of morality frank. Frank replied,"morality in terms of behavior,not in terms of theocracy
fadethetrade 1 year ago
@rattondeldesierto -----Exactly.
Alex11710 1 year ago
@rattondeldesierto ----I think I saw that one. Watch his debate with Candy Shroud on the "NightWatch", that may have been the one I mentioned. If not, it may have been the "Frank Zappa on Crossfire" one, either way, they're both entertaining.
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@rattondeldesierto --------Frank referred to himself as a conservative during one of his PMRC-related debates in the 80's. He's certainly less conservative than any of the conservatives I know. Keep in mind that "conservative" doesn't necessarily mean "republican"... Frank wasn't really on either political "side".
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Alex11710 1 year ago
@rattondeldesierto ----Frank was a conservative, and he referred to himself as a "conservative". He didn't think much of Reagan or his conservative method, he probably thought that Reagan's conservative attitude was inferior to his own.
Alex11710 1 year ago
The other two dudes were squares, but seemed somewhat self-aware. I was honestly impressed.
sybo59 1 year ago
Poor Kenny had no fucking clue.
angie4josh 1 year ago
I can't criticize the video quality because the content is so wonderful. Kenny Rogers, JJ Walker and Frank Zappa? Freakin' awesome!! And I remember that music video (I'm old). Thank you!!!!
RoadDog8444 1 year ago
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thn91506 1 year ago
I love that melody at the end of inca roads. among other things, zappa could really write some beautiful melodies, not to mention was one hell of a songwriter too
mightyafrowhitey 1 year ago
@mightyafrowhitey Yes.
Alex11710 1 year ago
This was 1976 by which time the excesses of drug use were common knowledge and there was already a backlash against the drug culture.
WestVirginiaRebel 1 year ago
Mike douglass was a class act.
judasplow25 1 year ago 2
Mike Douglas was a fantastic man.
Compare him to anything today and you see what an amazing show he had.
ronoman88 2 years ago 3
FRANK ZAPPA is a GIANT... of the UNITED STATES of AMERIKA...
he chanced the world
DIZZIELOVER 2 years ago
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kcper1 2 years ago
FZ was so far ahead of the times that modern artists are still decades behind...
cheebawobanu 2 years ago 18
Dude Abides
LittleLarrySellers 2 years ago
@ 1:29 is he talking about Captain Beefheart? He didn't have a proper education and he didn't start teaching himself about the normal world til he was like 30 years old and he went pretty nuts I think. I know it's rumored (pretty much fact) that Captain Beefheart took a ton of LSD, and not just assumedly because he was so far out...this is actually from close personal friends' first hand accounts.
If it is that's the first time Frank referenced it publicly.
songcycle67 2 years ago
Hmmmm---I dunno, but you may be right. Don Van Vliet (Capt. Beefheart) definitely fried himself a bit. He was born far-out though.
chinacat 2 years ago
Songcycle67, I don't think FZ is talking about Captain Beefheart. CB did his share of hallucinogens, but he also carefully crafted his public image and those rumors were part of it. Off camera he was always very together. The Captain was a very eloquent (and sober) spokesman for some environmental causes after the age range that FZ mentions. Also check the Captain's two appearances on David Letterman, CB's clearly in control of himself.
drhowarddrfinedrhowa 2 years ago
drhowarddrfinedrhowa has it right about Frank. I think he might have meant Don "Sugarcane" Harris, unless it was Motorhead
urwclwg 2 years ago
It applies to Sugarcane in any case, whether this was who Frank had in mind or not. Let the record show: Even when Harris "couldn't tie his shoes", (or make it to the stage on his own power), he always put on a great show once he'd had his shoes tied for him, (& was put on stage0.
lazur1 2 years ago
Now I know Tool got their ideas from videos from :p
kafcin 2 years ago 4
And their musical ideas from King Crimson, quite a combo of great influences.
progpunk76 2 years ago
this
PhongLopez 2 years ago
mike douglas talks too much!!!
give the guests a chance.....
scullpolisher 2 years ago 3
inca roads. good. adding to the archival old stuff. thanks.
uploandos 2 years ago 2
Wow is that film available today? Looks incredible.
((((((Long live FZ))))))
Sunflower0122Z 2 years ago
Yeah.....Long Live the genius FZ!!!
VedantaSutra 2 years ago 2
Yes and no. I've seen the concert footage before here on youtube. However, you can buy the FZ movie "Baby Snakes" which has all of this same Bickford animation but with different (a later concert) intermixed with it. I highly recommend it. The music is fantastic and the animation is really great too.
klesh1 2 years ago
Get "The Dub Room Special" which contains that particular clip and much more.
quicknessstyle 2 years ago
The Inca Roads film is on the "Dub Room Special" DVD that you can get just about anywhere, like Borders or something. The DVD is lacking some stuff that was in the original VHS version, though.
pazzensutra 2 years ago
Actually, the misdiagnosis of his original prostate condition meant that he failed to get any treatment until it was to late - and by then the cancer had already spread to other oragans which then led to his premature passing - (NOTE TO SELF AND OTHER BLOKES TO GET PROSTATE CHECKED)]
Zappa would probably have been President of the U.S.A. instead of Bush if he had lived.
royism 2 years ago
So many of the fans at Zappa's concerts were shit-faced and stoned out of their heads, I think Frank developed a real distaste for drug and alcohol abusers. I don't think he actually cared whether people did drugs themselves, he just didn't use them himself. Except he chain smoked horribly.
I agree with bobjb999 that smoking likely contributed to Frank's contracting prostate cancer, as a link has been made, but something is going to kill us.
It's just too bad Frank went so young.
ROLtheWolf 2 years ago
Or it could have been the radium pellets he was given as a child to clear up his sinus problems.
p0llenp0ny 2 years ago
I hadn't heard about that.
That sounds a radical treatment for a sinus infection, and if he passed the pellets, they could very well have been close enough to his prostate to have an effect.
That doesn't change the fact that a lifetime of chain smoking causes chronic inflammation and introduces known carcinogens (often additives put into the cigarets by the manufacturers to make them more addicting) that can cause cancer in almost every organ system.
ROLtheWolf 2 years ago
is that kenny rodgers?
fohnjrusciante 2 years ago
hell yeah!
reasonformirrors 2 years ago
Listen closely, either that's fake or the audience is going crazy over that snippet of Inca Roads
Rajhoul 3 years ago
I'll do just that
urwclwg 2 years ago
I heard them laughing at the images during Frank's solo, but they burst into applause after Ruth's closing.
urwclwg 2 years ago
Mike disses tobacco & Frank fails to admit his own HYPOCRISY as unrepentent smoker & defender of his own DRUG ADDICTION to tobacco, "my favourite vegetable", he said! We now know smoking raises risk for lots of cancers,not just the obvious ones, & tobacco may have helped cause Frank's own fatal prostate cancer. -But smokers can always tie their shoes, tobacco doesn't mess up your BRAIN?? Well smoking likely KILLED Frank's BRAIN along with his body, & he can't do shoe (or guitar) strings now..
Bobjb999 3 years ago
You've got a point. Same as Ian Anderson. Ian was always very adamant in his dislike of drugs but he was a maniacal cigarette smoker and a heavy drinker. At least Ian is still alive. I believe he quit smoking some years back.
Chrisdrumz 3 years ago
I didn't know that about Ian. It sounds like possible " projection" in both cases, where people project their own unrecognized faults onto others, instead of being honest, recognizing and admitting a similar faults exist in themselves too!
Bobjb999 3 years ago
what you gonna do, dig him up and shake him?
MFJVIDEO 3 years ago
I believe that FZ's dislike of drugs was aimed at the mind-altering drugs, specifically. He wanted people who could think, or at least able to perform their respective tasks. Tobacco is bad, but it didn't fall in that category.
Oxmustube 3 years ago 2
No, smoking didn't "kill" his brain. There's no real evidence to suggest that tobacco was the cause of his prostate cancer. So your point is moot. And Zappa's hypocrisy was minimal seeing as he already described specifically what he meant by drugs and why he considered tobacco the exception. Besides, so what if tobacco killed him? It's very much NOT the same as being an addict of the hard drugs Zappa was against.
SuzyandtheZodiac 2 years ago 4
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"Middle-aged men who are long-term heavy SMOKERS face TWICE THE RISK OF developing aggressive forms of PROSTATE CANCER than men who have never smoked, according to findings of the Public Health Sciences Div. [U. of Washington]." Smoking kills brains (& bodies) of 400,000+ Americans each year. Many musicians using MUCH LESS LETHAL coke/ junk /pot Frank demonized,are highly&happily making good music still. But BRAIN-DEAD FRANK'S been rendered INCAPABLE of playing/singing/writing EVER AGAIN!
Bobjb999 2 years ago
That still doesn't prove that Zappa got Prostate Cancer specifically from smoking. Just because his risk was higher, doesn't mean that correlation was the causation. And really, coke less lethal? I don't think Zappa was ever against being killed from a drug, it was the stupid behavior a particular drug can cause. I don't know about you, but potheads when stoned are more annoying to me then smokers of tobacco.
SuzyandtheZodiac 2 years ago
Very true.... sad, but true.
deweypug 2 years ago
This video just won't play back with my dial up .Anyone else experiencing touble replaying this clip?
hazyzogtoe 3 years ago
Mike Douglas Show / Philadelphia, PA
#3349. Season 15, Ep 49: November 11, 1976Jimmie Walker co-hosts; guests include singer Kenny Rogers, Frank Zappa and comedienne Elayne Boosler. Mike visits Donny & Marie Osmond in Hollywood. And Michael Medvin & David Wallechinsky, authors talk about what has happened to the Class of 1965. Highlights: Frank Zappa performs "Black Napkins" from "Zoot Allures" album.
Wharfomatic 3 years ago
A couple of things which stand out quite pleasantly from these two episodes:
1) Mike Douglas seems to be one of the most genuine and understanding hosts ever to talk to Zappa - specifically that he seems to recognise Zappa was quite nervous and allows him to find his own pace in order to express himself.
2) Zappa's guitar playing was quite stunningly inventive and fearless.The influence on Vai is quite easy to hear.
Also - two-hand tapping in '76 as a means of musical expression. Fantastic :)
MercutioUK2006 3 years ago 3
what was great about this show is the slower pace and longer guest spots that would allow a relaxed discussion, a live performance AND a 2 minute video. and remember, Frank Zappa was the third guest. makes leno, letterman and the rest seem such a rip off.
Gnillob802 3 years ago 5
People take drugs to be like Frank
Like Salvador Dali said : I am drugs..
gjazz22 3 years ago
Lol, he also said that you should try hashish but only once. Great vid-- wish it was better quality.
fingerminger 3 years ago
That performance of Token of My Extreme is on From the Dub Room Floor. Ruth on vibes! HFC-Almighty! What a band. It switches between that and a Halloween show with Steve Vai.
noreeaster 3 years ago
This is the COOLEST!!! How 'bout that just walking out to the cheesy little stage on the Mike Douglas Show, plugging into unfamiliar amp and belting out Zoot sounding fantastic. Man the guy could play. Thanks for posting this.
jlanham62 3 years ago 2
It wasn't an unfamiliar amp. It was a Pignose which he did a major amount of his studio work with.
Iwasateenagemaltshop 2 years ago
@Iwasateenagemaltshop Damn. You're right. I don't know why I thought that was some larger amp. must have been tired or something... How 'bout that back-up though? Not exactly the real band, eh. God I miss this guy...
jlanham62 9 months ago
a great guy, i miss him very much. i met him once and also had the opportunity to speak to him on the telephone in 1984. he was very pleasant. it was a chance thing. RIP
semtex2you 3 years ago
Too advanced for the planet! HAIL ZAPPA!
Bopalena 3 years ago 2
What a breath of fresh air to see Zappa with Douglas -- a reminder that American TV was not always dominated by screamers and right wing scum. I was too young to appreciate this at the time; god, what a wasteland has replaced it.
v1m 3 years ago 19
@v1m Hello. I am a Zappa fanatic. And I am also a right wing scum, surrounded by kind, compassionate tolerant and open minded people who are doing all they can to sway me over to their side by referring to me as "scum", etc.
pazzensutra 1 year ago 2
@pazzensutra Yeah, and Frank was a conservative btw. Everyone always wants to feel this "well things were different in THE OLD TIMES!" sentiment. Dig this; most tv sucked back then. Most of it sucks today (to include Fox AND msnbc). And tv's future sure ain't bright.
You know, back in MYYYY DAYYYYY, people weren't quite so simple.
sybo59 1 year ago
@v1m Frank would probably be considered right wing in a lot of ways today.... In other words, you have no clue what you're talking about.
Mohammets 10 months ago
@v1m What makes you think Zappa was not 'right wing'? If anything he was a Libertarian, which is certainly not 'Left Wing'.
BobTheRecordGuy 8 months ago
Frank, I would would love to hear your comments on the world today....miss you.......
racevidfreak 3 years ago 5
Bach by The Swingle Singers?
Hihihihihi!
johnnyjolijt 3 years ago 2
Yes!
urwclwg 2 years ago
Beautiful.
onebigeye 3 years ago
Frank Zappa must be the worlds most talented and most influencial guy in the galaxy!
love you zappa!!!
exodyssey 4 years ago 4
I wish there was more guys like him
jasmincar 3 years ago 2
If my musical trinity was Lennon (Father), Peter Gabriel (Son) and Bowie (Holy Spirit), Zappa was the Devil's advocate.
Oxmustube 3 years ago
This is definitely from The Dub Room Special.
TheBlackPage1 4 years ago
What a screwed up lineup for a daytime tv show. It all works though lol
BenMisfit84 4 years ago 3
Of course it works! And that was the genius of the first generation of talkshows! To get three or four intelligent, creative people who, otherwise, would have nothing in common, in the same place at the same time, and get them to interact, and let us eavesdrop! I remember a Dick Cavett with a very young Richard Pryor and a very old Bette Davis. He was in awe of her, she didn't even know who he was, but was very nice to him, and it was fantastic!
tuxguys 3 years ago 6
SWEET GOD REST HIS superb
222222hot 4 years ago 3
I buy the DVD Baby Snaks because I want to see the animation and listen the music in your full size. But isn't there!?!!?! I want to know where I found this video because this is not included in Baby Snakes, please...some one knows?!?!? PLEEEEEASE!!!!!
dtytdjk 4 years ago
I buy, yesterday Baby Snakes. But I don't see this video. have some animations but THAT IN THIS VIDEO, ... dont have. Every day I cry and I want to see all, please, sombody knows where I found it?
dtytdjk 4 years ago
It was re-released 2004 by 101 Entertainment, it's a DVD called "A token of his extreme"; made out of two shows in LA. Amazing stuff. I saw it the first time on german television in the late 70ies and since then searched for it...
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123456elvis74 4 years ago
Great Interview and a ood glimpse of some of the other people whoo wer catching the public's eye at the time. For the little Peckary who complained about the edit. You can see the whole thing on the dvd, Baby Snakes.
FrankDamage 4 years ago
Take it back, you`re wrong! Its the Dub room special!!!
GreggaryPeccary 4 years ago
WrONG! I am watching it on video (Baby Snakes) right now.
FrankDamage 4 years ago
But NOT in combination with INCA ROADS!!
GreggaryPeccary 4 years ago 3
Visitad el FORO DE LA MÚSICA DE FRANK ZAPPA.
Buscad "Frank Zappa Indice" en vuestro buscador.
Para todo aquellos que conoceis al maestro, como para todos aquellos que serán privilegiados de conocerlo!!!!
Un Saludo!!!
zappawazoo 4 years ago
anybody know who were the other famous people doing the anti-drug commericals but were into the junk?
mp01juve 4 years ago
I specifically remember Gregg Allman doing an anti-drug PSA. Hah!
"I used to have a drug problem; now I make enough money." -David Lee Roth
tattoofu 4 years ago
Ha ha. That reminds me of a quote from Grace Slick from her '70s boozing days, lamenting the high price of Dom Perignon champagne. "Now THAT'S what I call a drug problem!", she said.
Bobjb999 3 years ago
Put a Fidora hat and dark glasses....and you've got Leon Redbone!
JimDeYoung1 4 years ago
AAaaaargh!! You dick, (excuse my foul language)you chopped out the best 7 seconds of the entire song!!
GreggaryPeccary 4 years ago
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what was the song called??
Nuxunumo 4 years ago
How about reading the comment about the video?
GreggaryPeccary 4 years ago
Bruce Bickford rules. Watch "Monster Road" if you haven't already seen this documentary on him.
splendidmike 4 years ago
"I turned green and it wasn't St Patrick's Day". Whoa, a talkshow host with humor. :)
DaVince21 4 years ago
yeah, Mike was sincere, without guile and ego, and although low-key, he practically never missed a beat--great talk show host
lyricessence 4 years ago
Gah! I SAW this episode when it was broadcast! I've had that image in my head of the guitarists finger biting the other finger since I was thirteen! I've never seen it since until now.
Oh Happy Day!
Love and Fun from Detroit Rock City!
taopagan 4 years ago
Gotta love inca roads. Steve vai transcribed Frank's solo on the bus ride home from memory.
Braskysforeskin 4 years ago
Take Note!~ Keep in mind what year this was, and watch that animation clip they played closely...20 years later Peter Gabriel decides to use animation very similar in his "Sledgehammer" video!
Trianglelover 4 years ago
But at least Mike was willing to give it a whirl. He m
MKFaizi 4 years ago
Jesus, I remember watching this. J.J. saying "Commercial and crass". And the perry mason guy reference.
56BUICKRiviera 4 years ago
yeah, he knew what Frank stood for musically and respectfully acknowledged buying into it and FZ doesn't knock him for it--Frank was a consummate gentleman in many ways
lyricessence 4 years ago
Gotta give it up for Mike Douglas. Sadly, you won't find anything like this making its way onto broadcast TV these days.
NewtNoho 4 years ago
45 times from 1974-1993 I saw Frank.Saw Baby Snakes at the new york Premier.Was at the old Ritz on 11th St when Ladies and Gentleman Another Great Italian,Al Dimeola showed up to play Clowns on Velvet.Frank opened up the show playing one of Hendrix's burned STrats.He played like he had just beaten the Devil at the Crossroads.I saw this appearance when it originally aired.I cant stop crying.The Modern Day Composer Has Died.
duster71 4 years ago
Frank Zappa was the best at whatever he did! Play guitar,interviews,compose & my favorite live concerts for I had the chance to see him 2 times best shows I ever saw. Zappa fan 4ever
Zappa2324 4 years ago
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i taught zappa how to play all his licks.
lickableplum 4 years ago
I can't beieve that the complete Roxy DVD never saw the light of day. The trailer that was on the Baby Snakes DVD made me drool all over myself.
guy72b 4 years ago
No kidding...
Gaz0175 4 years ago
Seriously though - if you haven't seen Baby Snakes - do so now.
Zappa rules.
Gaz0175 4 years ago
napoleon murphy brock is a GOD!
itchyweasel62 4 years ago
"chemical alteration process . ." zappa has a way with words . . lol
GaryNull 5 years ago
excellent- thanks for sharing ,frank - one of the true under rated greats
dhawk6522 5 years ago
There is almost an hour of the bickford claymation on the zappa movie "Baby Snakes" 1977. VERY hard to find and I have seen none of it posted here. Excellent concert footage and claymation. I bought a bootleg copy of the video years ago, lots of luck. I could post some but have no idea how
frankfrink 5 years ago
The Baby Snakes dvd has been available for ages now.
DMA65 5 years ago
The animation is from Inca Roads (not Florentine Pogen), and there's a clip of the entire tune posted on YouTube. It features lots more Bickford animation, plus some incredible live footage of the Roxy and Elsewhere/One Size Fits All-era Mothers -- especially Ruth Underwood on marimba and timpani. Just search on "Inca Roads".
jamesakin 5 years ago
I just recently join youtube. I been a big FZ fan just about all my life. I been looking for this bickford animation since 75 74, somewhere in there, since I saw FZ on the midnight special. I never seen him on the M. Douglas Show, this was great. I wish the the band and him could have rehearsed longer and the audio was better.
ptrck1 5 years ago
A true original, wonder if this can be classified as a music video, maybe the first. Definitely a visionary.
AprilFox58 5 years ago
I think it's funny that Jimmy Walker seems almost apoligetic that he's into James Taylor. Even Kenny Rogers seemed like he had to "justify" the type of classical music he liked to Frank.
qpine 5 years ago
people know, and are nervous, when they are sittng next to a person many times smarter (in every way) than they are.
gregrs 4 years ago
This is the strangest guest panel I have ever seen on ANY tv show in the history of TV Mike Douglas was a genious.
bunnyhead71 5 years ago
well, the problem is most music stores still reject zappas music. sure you can find the occasional dvd but for the most part only the true zappa fans have kept his music alive buying online. also, mike douglas as "square" as he seemed has always been a friend to many great musicians. keep the videos coming and thanks. pappap999 @ california, pa.
pappap666 5 years ago
No problem Multuminipapapa, the excerpt(animation) that you see is FZ's fabulous guitar solo during 'Florentine Pogen' for that TV special. YOu can get this commercially on the 'Dub Room special' DVD that should be in stock at your local store or online.
deepindercheema 5 years ago
I wish someone had a cleaner longer video of the guy who did the animation, his stuff is sooo wild!The Amazing Bruce Bickford, :) What ever happend to him I wonder?
multuminparvo 5 years ago
YOu can now buy the DVD of it in major record stores for 25 bucks. It has tons of animation, plus songs from two different shows. One from 74 and one from 81. It's called the "Dub Room Special"
qpine 5 years ago
Kenny rodgers is a good photographer.
spacepatrolman 5 years ago
wish they would've focused on Jimmie more.
ghanasoul 5 years ago
Yeah and also Jimmy "DYNOMITE!" Walker! 70's tv at it's most surreal.
pamdawbersdrughabit 5 years ago
Lol, he's talking to Kenny Rogers!
Hailey2006 5 years ago