Chopin "Ocean" Study op.25 n.12. How to study (1 of 2)

[ceratti1]

I love the butterfly shirt!

[Pianoantics]

This piece not doubt is about tranporting the hands to many postions that interlock and if one has to go through as many of the things he suggests to learn it then be prepared to spend a lot of time that may be wasted depending on your ability to learn this work form top to bottom where you need to memorize it from day one a page at a time of from one bar to the next and slowly at first hands alone and think of what harmony you are moving to as well as outlining the melody and blocking chords..

[ImmortalSpecies]

I assure you people, the technique for improving the learning curve used at 2:55 - 3:05 is a traditional method for perfect play. I suggest you all do it.

[AnnMarry19]

Thank you, because your advice help me. Really help me!!! Thank you very much :)

[AnnMarry19]

Thank you, because your advice help me. Really help mi!!! Thank you very much :)

[maxizone41]

bravo!! bravo!!

[Vesivian]

Do you have any advice on how to play this piece better besides practicing slowly? I cant seem to switch my fingers fast enough when playing at a fast tempo.

[SarrasaniPianoCircus]

@Vesivian

Try to "give velocity" a few bars, alternating fast and slow bars. Then more and more fast bars....

[kei19690113]

Very nice! Thank you. (TS)

[EIPtuningR32]

thickest italian accent i have ever heard..... ever..... lol...

[cldpt]

it's great! Don't you have the same type of tutorial for the Chopin study op.25 n.11? thanks

[SarrasaniPianoCircus]

@cldpt

Thank you for attention. No, I have not.

All the best,

Sandro

[FeuVache]

Very, Very helpful! Thanks alot!

[GIULIOPT95]

Sei grande :D bravo, un grande bacio da un tuo connazionale!

[wiitubeaccount]

how do you finger this piece?

[GlimpseInTheLife]

Il tuo inglese è raccapricciante, ma sei fantastico e ho imparato un sacco, grande!

[SarrasaniPianoCircus]

@GlimpseInTheLife

"raccapricciante" è un complimento......ciao!!

[yannhk]

grazie, it's very helpful.

[SarrasaniPianoCircus]

@benfleet17

Thank you! not only ok, imho necessary to invent excercises....

[benfleet17]

Wonderful stuff ! Am I right in thinking that it is ok to invent exercises, if you are careful about it ?

[Classifused]

Would someone be able to send me the sheet music for this?

I wanna learn this!

Or at least something similar.

[Nurple007]

It's really hard to understand what you're saying, but the points you make really are very, very helpful.

[Wakame44]

Hi Sandro thanks for posting this very useful video. I have been following your advice. I have been playing this piece for about 6 weeks now and increasingly I find I am stumbling on the black notes. Have you any advice to offer me?

[SarrasaniPianoCircus]

@Wakame44

<hi, and thank you. and you are absolutely right about my english, eheh.

[ClemsonMusic]

This is amazing. I'm trying to learn this piece quickly for an upcoming performance, and it's really helping. Thank you so much!

[SarrasaniPianoCircus]

@ClemsonMusic

happy you find it useful.

Bye!

S.

[92frg]

secondo voi qual'è la migliore velocità per studiare questo pezzo? :)

[SarrasaniPianoCircus]

@92frg

lentissimo e articolato, anche con varianti ritmiche e di accenti, poi via via più veloce (anche con varianti), poi iniziare a suonare molto veloce (più di quanto si vorrà suonate veloce) per anche solo 1-2-3 battute, alternandole ad altre fatte lentamente. Ciao!

[SarrasaniPianoCircus]

@92frg

lentissimo e articolato, anche con varianti ritmiche e di accenti, poi via via più veloce (anche con varianti), poi iniziare a suonare molto veloce (più di quanto si vorrà suonate veloce) per anche solo 1-2-3 battute, alternandole ad altre fatte lentamente. Ciao!

[92frg]

@SarrasaniPianoCircus grazieeeeeee :D

[Chopin1986]

You helped me very very much!!!

Thank you for your great video!!!!

All my best wishes!!!

Mille Grazie!!!

[Jaggen22]

Im learning the beginning part only for now. Which fingers are you using? 1-2-5 fingers? Do you switch to different fingers depending on which direction?

[SarrasaniPianoCircus]

yes , 1.2.5, also for l.h. , often 1.3.5, rarely 1.4.5..  Same fingering in both directions of the same arpeggio.

[charlieinslidell]

Some of the point of these rhythmic and accent variations are to make the piece more difficult than what was written so that when finally playing the original version, you have a feeling that it is a more simple task. It is equivalent to lifting 50lbs. weights before having to lift 20lbs. boxes you normally handle at work. It also helps with providing a much more even and precise sound. Your fingers will really feel precise and firm when playing this way.

[SarrasaniPianoCircus]

@charlieinslidell

it's so, you are completely right.

Thank you for attention and all the best,

Sandro

[cody55909]

You need to learn better English

[AlZBol]

Très bonne vidéo. Bravo.

[SarrasaniPianoCircus]

too much kind, thank you!

[cl23731]

i studied chopin's fantaisie impromptu in this way and it's very useful! try it !

[lovesGenet]

WOW .I will thankyou too.I  have Cortot's Brahms-Paganini but dont have his notes on the Chopin etudes .this video gave me some ideas .difficult but well worth a try .WOW. cortot had a fine mine !

[SarrasaniPianoCircus]

I love Cortot and I know his Chopin editions. Here thare are only some simple ideas about some tecnical skills useful in the piece. Not more than some simple and "in freedom" ideas...

[modelstatue]

It sounds like jazz when you start putting the accents in different places. It is really cool!

[SarrasaniPianoCircus]

Thank you. About Chopin-Jazz....I find very fine and interesting the Nocturnes versions of Loussier.

[348Frate]

you are very talented! where did you study and with whom?

[SarrasaniPianoCircus]

Too much kind! I studied when boy with am italian teacher of napolitan school.

Then many years of no-piano, and now again to play as amateur.

[stefomate]

thank you, this helps so much, it shows wat the rhythms sound like clrealy without the pedal, its hard to hear in most recordings

[ReturnOfTheStienway]

Thank you for this! Your information was VERY helpful.

[regretsmyl]

thank you for the lesson.i have problem with this study.i cant go fast.

[musicioso]

Well...stay playing...speed can be just a matter of time.

I am learning this too, and my speed is becoming better and better every week..

Good luck!

[Phrygian12]

thank you! Im actually a guitarist but Ive trying this piece on guitar and your teaching has help me understand this piece alot more.

[SarrasaniPianoCircus]

You are very kind, thank you.

And please make me know if and when you'll upload a recording of you guitar version.

[dmcII]

I'd love to hear this on guitar too. Hope you'll post something on this when you have it ready.

[goldayumi]

Thanks for posting the excellent lesson. I appreciate that! Your teaching will be very useful and I'll practise the piece, following your advice. If it is possible, could you post a lesson for Chopin etude op.10 no.5 as well? Although I've played the piece, I'm still struggling with it...Thanks again.

[SarrasaniPianoCircus]

Really kind, thank you.

Happy to find interest in these "lessons", then I'll continue. About 10-5, I do not play it.....

Again thank you.

[Dd4V]

Thanks for this vid and the practise methodes, especially your rhytmical training methods are still is a big help for me. :)

[SarrasaniPianoCircus]

thank you for feedback. happy if it is useful for someone. bye.

[GREENHAYZZZ]

I am starting to work on the "Ocean Etude", and I am also an amateur pianist of 15 years. How long did you study this piece to get it up to your performance level? I find it very difficult to get up to proper speed with it. My piano teacher has me continue to work it quite slow.

Thank you for posting your study methods and  the complete performance. Congratulations! I thought you played it quite well!

[SarrasaniPianoCircus]

I studied (and I study) it as technical excercise, but at a certain point (after 6-7 months of 10-15 mins daily work) I recognized I was able to play it about decently, then the video.

Slow work is ok, but also play it (fragments

so and so longer) faster and with variations:

only (faster) if the clarity is absolute, in contrary case to return to slow study and to accelerate only groups of 2-3-4-......notes.

All the best, and thank you much for your comment.

[GerdLinden]

S. Richter described is method of practising as follows:

"Only 1 page. I only go to the next page when I'm able to play this page."

What do you think about this? I have some problems to repeat a page until I can play it perfectly.

[SarrasaniPianoCircus]

Seriously. For Richter it's ok one page.

For me one bar can be enough (for a so difficult piece). probably better to learn one fragment after the other at the necessary speed than to play all slow and then to begin to search velocity.

[j67123]

I've never tried this etude but you playing it slowly and without the pedal gives me a good idea of how difficult it must be.

I'd be unable to play this piece now (if ever I was) but your methods of practicing make good sense and would be quite fun since the tempo variations are still musical.

Great post! Happy playing to all those whose ability is good enough to let them have a go at this piece.

[SarrasaniPianoCircus]

Thank you much for attention and comment.

But believe me, there are many Chopin studies more difficult than this one.

[flugelmaniac]

note the practice methods...........

[Fryderyk1980]

Grazie Sandro per queste belle lezioni per lo studio del nostro stupendo strumento.

Penso che questo sia un ottimo metodo di studio per ogni tipo di brano,certo più è tosto il passaggio e più indicate sono queste strategie.Oltre che accentare su 1,2,3,4,5,tu cosa ne dici anche di fermarsi su 1,2,3,4,5?

forse l'hai detto e non me ne sono accorto.

Un saluto e grazie ancora per i tuoi video.

Ciao.

[SarrasaniPianoCircus]

Grazie del commento. Hai ragione, ma tieni conto che i miei esempi vanno presi appunto come esempi di un metodo. Ci saranno di sicuro altre varianti migliori, ma è così, solo qualche idea....Ciao!

[Achtelnote]

thx

[Achtelnote]

i think what you show here is very good,but it should be clear to everyone who is on the level to play this piece.main problem is the lenght,tempo and forte of the piece.how can you avoid that your right arm begins to hurt?after the middle part before forte possible im already at the end.

[SarrasaniPianoCircus]

Thank you, very kind.

You are right on the problem you tell.

I've no remedy for this....

To record with one or two "cut and paste" eheh, let me joke.....

All the best

[xAmandine]

I don't play but I'm still curious about how this works. It must be hard to keep the musical feeling while training muscles and strength like an athlete, I also guess you must love the piece even more if you can practise this much without getting tired of it, can you ever get tired of Chopin even if practicing the same piece for months

[SarrasaniPianoCircus]

very interesting question. It's not my case, but if one stay 6 hours X day at piano, He will not make music for all the time.

Here, for example, I do not make music, only

I prepare myself to the moments when I'll try to make music. It's fundamental to hold separate these two moments, IMHO.

Also better is to obtain a good technique without working, as here, on the pieces (in other words, working on pure tecnique):

to not make confusion of technical-athletic moment and artistic moment. Bye.

[dadinothebest]

trovo molto utile..ma non capisco una cavolo!!!

[SarrasaniPianoCircus]

Ciao! Beh, il pezzo devi già conoscerlo e un po' suonarlo, saperlo quasi a memoria. Poi a quel punto le varianti che faccio le capisci

(almeno, così mi dice qualcuno).

[dadinothebest]

no io intendo l'inglese! dei 9 min ho capito solo ciao ea tutti e op25 n12!!

[SarrasaniPianoCircus]

E tu non devi mica imparare il mio (terribile) inglese! E fai gli esercizi, no?

Ahah, hai ragione, però queste lezioncine comunque le capiscono, mi arrivano commenti di gente che dimostra di aver capito, quindi continuo a uploadarle lo stesso anche se so che l'inglese fa pena....

[dadinothebest]

comunque il metodo per le variazio ne l'ho capito, una mia amica fa lo stesso su op10 n 12

[SarrasaniPianoCircus]

Hi! No, not for all the piece, one time 1-2 pages each rythm-variation, changing pages each time (or some variants on a part, other variants on another part, then inversion...)

You are right, this is an important aspect.

[go9zu]

Hello Sandro,you made a good video but I have one question-perhaps you could talk about that in part2.could you give solutions to the problem of endurance/assiduittà/persevera­nza?this piece is very long and we have to repeat for about 6 pages the same rhythm.