Arc Flash Incident Palo Verde Arizonia 2008

[normellow]

Human Relay !

[kompradorantigo]

boa tarde sou operador de sistemas elétricos e gostaria de saber se alguém poeria postar este mesmo vídeo com legendas ou doublado por favo desde já grato.

[mtristepin]

SVP ne lisez pas ou vous serez piégés comme moi. Bon désolé ...En 1945,une jeune fille nommée lata kulu vint en Amérique dans un bateau gris venu d' Afrique. Un homme étrange la tua en gravant le mot "LATUALATUKA" dans son dos. Maintenant si tu as lu ce message elle viendra pendant une pleine lune dans ta maison et volera ton âme à moins que tu ne suives ces instructions : réécris ce message en tant que commentaire dans 3 vidéo Désolé moi aussi je me suis fait piéger

I'm sorry

[tkirby115]

Just before the flash it shows two people putting on beekeeper suits. Then during the flash you really can't see what the man's head is covered with but he's not wearing the beekeeper outfit.

[PilotVBall]

They need a weight loss program!

[bobbj77]

This is why most European countries now use SCADA

[LinemanRailfain]

@bobbj77 My little "hick" town in Tennessee has SCADA!!!

[bobbj77]

@LinemanRailfain Cool, what make of SCADA do you have?, any pics or videos of it?

[LinemanRailfain]

@bobbj77 i will ask one of the engineers, i have no clue! we just ran fiber to all the subs for the ami system and they are running the scada off of that now!

[trainman071]

safety first always. excellent job

[erichonda30]

Where is Arizonia?

[bobbj77]

all modern switchgear has flash diverters to the rear and upwards, also they have interlocks to prevent racking in with an open door

[MoreLikeCappuccino]

I wonder what REALLY happened lol

[bobbj77]

@MoreLikeCappuccino I guess a fuck up

[afiler]

@ScotsLyon, @Dragonx0562, the video shown at 4:00 is not from an incident that happened in the United States, it appears it was from a Barranca Ecopetrol oil refinery in Colombia. You can find longer versions of that video on YouTube.

[gblueslover2]

The explaination as to what happened the night before when switching was done as compared to what they did the next morning doesn't make much sense. I listened 4 times and it seems somewhat contradictory. -Whatever- I'm glad this young man survived. My main question would be Why are these operators SWITCHING? Sounds as though there was a fault caused the night before, breakers tripped on the "even" side and these guys come in the next day and closed the tie and THEN the odd breakers in, . WTF?

[lakewood85]

This video is bullshit! Why would you even have something so unsafe in a modern plant today???

[guiltyguildleader]

@lakewood85

because safety costs money.

something like this would be prohibited in most parts of europe.

but this happened in america

[ScotsLyon]

Why in this day and age are they using gear you wind in?

FFS the uk RECS got rid of this antiquated gear years ago.

This place should have switches that are operated on time delay to ensure that everyone is clear when it closes.

Also where any checks done on the gear before it was closed especially when they knew they had a problem.

I also dont understand the bomb disposal PPE why put ppl at risk when you can use gear the mentioned above where there is no risk personnel.

[Dragonx0562]

@ScotsLyon because the UK is the UK. the other question is how much of those parts you speak of is cleared by FM, UL, OSHA, IEEE? also how much of that gear is less expensive than what is in use in the US? saying safety has no price is all well and good, but if you have no RRS, then would you rather they just let the LC swing int he wind because they can't do it manually?

[ScotsLyon]

@Dragonx0562 your asking me if these parts are cleared, I'm asking you why are they not, why does it take some poor guy to die before ppl take notice. also why are you talking about cost , thats sad. Im glad im in the uk coz id rather be worrying about safety than price

[Dragonx0562]

as to clearance who the hell knows.

As far as cost. I'm talking about cost, because frankly, unless they cost less, no one will buy them unless mandated, either by NFPA, or by OSHA. you can worry about safety all you bloody want. if I have a functioning unit, I'm not going to replace it out of hand if that replacement costs oh... let's see 20-30,000 US$ per unit.

because it's not an issue until someone dies. every warning in every maintenance manual I've seen was there in blood.

[ScotsLyon]

@Dragonx0562 And your manuals will continue to be written in blood if all you care about is cost.

Make them manadtory if thats what it takes to save lives and yes i will continue to talk about "bloody safety" but not to you so don't even bother replying ok

[1rccarnut]

the video of the arc flash is not the same incident as what the people are talking about it was just to show what happens when you dont do the right thing. the guy in the video does not have on any arc flash gear it doesnt even look like he has gloves on. when we watched this at work the safety instructor told us it was a 4160v switchgear.

[DjTestar]

Where's the 6 foot clearence that it states in the NEC book???

[gblueslover2]

@DjTestar I'm not so sure what you mean. BUT most switchgear/and or breakers can be racked in with its main door CLOSED. He obviously did this with the damn door OPENED. Not sure of the brand of switchgear used here but that's just one point. Also, most switchgear rack handles are no longer than 48 inches, so I'm unsure of that 6 ft. clearance you mention. Finally- Companiesws/trains non-electrical personell to do switching is inherently dangerous- EXP.electricians knows not to close on a FAULT

[bobbj77]

@gblueslover2 The day you train non electrical people to switch is a bad day for the industry, im a 30 year+ electrician and I dont know it all ( close tho )

[gblueslover2]

@bobbj77 indeed. Operators switching...whew

[DjTestar]

I wounder if that gut would had survived if he had the proper PPE. in refineries they have some crazy high voltages, it's not like commercial building where 120/208 or 277/480. it's higher than that, so they need to have a suit that withstand a blast that is industrial standards. I myself never used a suit before, but after watching this video it makes me more aware of the dangers of doing my everyday job as a electrician. Thanks for posting this. I also work in oil refineries, not as a electric

[DjTestar]

My boss got hit with 480 Vost and now he's luck to survive it. He had to get skin graphs and a whole lot more and also his skin cant stand the sun because of the radiation from the sun. So people be very carefull when handling electric. I myself got hit with 277 and that wasn't good at all. The job working inside refineries pays well but not well enough to rish your life.

[higingbotham]

Utter shit. "Industry supplied video". Meaning no one in this video is the guy in the arc flash video. He didn't live.

[Electricienbatard]

4:00 for the video

[tigerdigm]

looks to me like he had the PPE appropriate for a Category 0 requirement.

[gblueslover2]

@tigerdigm Ther vid CLEARLY shows he wasn't wearing a  Arc flash hood. it's very decieving. Also these guys switching in this vid were plant OPERATORS, not skilled journey level electricians. From what I gather these idiots closed a breaker in on a fault. The vid doesnt show ether this was the tie breaker or a load breaker after the tie breaker (that they claimed they closed first) -Whichever no matter if this was Type 0 or not, wear THE HELL were their electricans ??? Foolish company !

[gblueslover2]

@tigerdigm Ther vid CLEARLY shows he wasn't wearing a Arc flash hood. it's very decieving. Also these guys switching in this vid were plant OPERATORS, not skilled journey level electricians. From what I gather these idiots closed a breaker in on a fault. The vid doesnt show ether this was the tie breaker or a load breaker after the tie breaker (that they claimed they closed first) -Whichever no matter if this was Type 0 or not, where THE HELL were their electricans ??? Foolish company !

[1mperator87]

its seems like he´s the fireball ...

[wbaker82]

Did that guy just explode? I tried to stop the video right after that big fireball, but he's just... gone.

[jro9001]

lights out

[Nivicoman]

From what I've seen breaker failure like this is not unknown. What fails in them? The one in Bogota Columbia was caused by moisture soaked into the breaker. When they racked it in KABOOM!!!

[vf4000]

From what I see of this video the PPE was NOT correct nor sufficient. The video shows employees dressed very differently than what the people behind Harry Beiling are wearing; also, they are behind a barrier NOT shown in the accident video. These posts are bullshit because their inconsistencies cause confusion and doubt. It's hard enough to get management to give consistent application of laws and procedures, and employees to practice consistent safe work practices without this kind of crap.

[bobbj77]

@vf4000 We have just had a lecture from our authorising engineer, "if your not happy dont do it if you want back up you got it, just remember that you will be the one in font of the man with the wig and not the bean counters"

[Nivicoman]

Procedures were followed and PPE was used. One story I saw about the arc flash accident shown here is that the breaker had been left outside in the rain then brought in and "dried" off. Well ladee da it was wet enough to do this with 13.8 kv. Moral of the story: Take the time safety is more important than timetables. This sounds like a great place to work if you're safety minded. I've been in some real shit holes with bare 480 conductors hanging at head height and oil all over the floor.

[Nivicoman]

@Nivicoman Correction on the wet breaker. It was in Bogota Columbia. A safety concious place like Palo Verde would never leave a breaker outside in the rain. My apologies to Palo Verde.

[feisch1]

vergiß niemals strom verzeit nicht