A huge percentage of people that are stuck in traffic daily, have a deskjob. they spend all workingday in the same room, mostly working on a pc. get them to work from home. video conferencing if necessary, link the phone through. it's really doable, practical, and I honestly dont get why it isnt being done loads more. other than lack of selfdiscipline in modern day western civilisation.
I always wondered how economic public transport is. I'd be the only person on the bus some days...I really don't think my $3.60 would pay for the fuel to get me to my destination, and it would always take twice as long as driving as we'd always have to stop. I suppose you get what you pay for. Traffic would also be a lot easier if there were about 99% less wanks on the road.
You know what I would like? a public transport system that ISN'T SHIT, one that is resonably priced and gets me where I need to get to in a reasonable amount of time.
Marcus. For the sake of humour you're quite good. But for fucks sake, leave the average working man who doesn't have a choice i.e. Those who can't travel 60 miles a day on a fucking bicycle with 50kg of plaster on his back a break...you rich, idealistic twat.
Now...plastering is a great skill, something that you won't learn at school and something that is truly necessary. Someday, you too will require the services of a plasterer and I'll bet you'll be more than happy that said plasterer is either too knackered from his 'eco' friendly journey to complete the job or just couldn't be arsed in the first place because there's no money in it.
Speaking for friends of course. I did pay attention at school and I'm not a plasterer.
Carbon footprint arguments are terrible. Calculating your CO2 footprint is so complicated that when everything is taken into account it's more eco friendly to drive to the supermarket than take a bicycle (food emissions). Five people in a bus is less eco friendly than five people in a small car.
Whilst road pricing would have succeeded in reducing congestion, the proposed costs were so great that some people would have quit work due to the cost of commuting.
I don't dislike road pricing OR the increased price in petrol, because I don't drive, I've been forced to use crappy public transport for 27 years. It's about time those of us with a low carbon footprint got some sort of satisfaction over anything. Perhaps we can have some better trains, now? Stop fucking driving, stop fucking whining.
Here, Here!!! By increasing the petrol price, and introducing road pricing, you could spend money gained from said taxes on improving the public transport, thus killing two or three birds with one stone. The public transport would be brilliant, you would no longer need to drive. The planet would be better off, and there would be less congestion. Better for everybody in the long run.
We need more people like this. The funds for public transport are lackluster and, yet we are encouraged to use it and apart from self atisfaction and a better planet we have no benifits, its time to stand up and do something!
Road pricing is one of the dumbest ideas ever, it charges people more to use buisy roads, more if the have a car which uses alot of fuel and more to drive through built up areas, it's identical to fuel duty, but rather than just increase fuel duty the government comes up with a far more complex, expensive and burocratic way of achieving the same goal.
you only need to to a level economics to realise road pricing is a good idea. fuel duty may reduce people on the road but is innefective because it does not target the specific time of day when congestion is at its highest. road pricing charges you based on the business of the road. It is aimed to reduce the social costs of congestion (eg people getting to work late and thus their productivity being reduces) by internalising the social cost of congestion to the driver.
randomer, road pricing will do little to ease congestion, as you have an A-level in economics you will probably be aware of the term "Price Elasticity of demand" its a pretty basic concept, you may also be aware that the Price Elasticity of demand for road usage is "Inelastic" To those unsure in basic terms this means "The % change in quantity demanded is smaller than the % change in price"
Therefor if you increase the cost of using roads, it will have a much smaller effect on the number of road users compared with the % increase in revenue generated.
The real solution would be to build roads with more lanes to ease conjestion, increasing the supply of roads thus removing the excess demand for roads
it has been shown repeatedly that in the long run increasing the lanes on roads does not ease congestion as it makes road travel more appealing and traffic levels expand to fill the road space.
by definition, if you make people pay for the entire social cost of driving, this will move it back to a socially optimum level however
people need to get to get work. Pricing people out of using the roads and forcing them into public transport is the wrong way to do it.
if youve ever been on a bus or the tube during rush hour you would know that public transport is already streched to limits and cant operate on time, nevermind completely overcrowded, the government should be doing its bit to help the driver, they do pay an awful lot of tax compared with the rest of the world.
I never took economis, but i am an engineering student and can tell you that a car uses more fuel when in congested trafic, so more fuel will be used and therefore more cost to the motorist, from what you're saying fleible work hours seem an equally realistic solution.
We're going to spend billions of pounds on a completely pointless system of taxation, when fuel duty already provides a system that is not only fair, but virtually free for the government. So we can either continue to use fuel as a means of taxation and spend the savings on, say, education, defence, health, aid for those affected by global warming in the third world, etc, or we could buy a completely pointless system. Hmmm, tough choice.
"Public transport is much more expensive fool, try getting about the country by train and do the maths. If u actually had the problem of commuting to work or travelling around the country in order to make a living u would know what u r talking about."
Its only more expensive in the short term, if you work it out over a year you will see that a car is much more expensive.
Bloody true, with current fuel prices, insurance rates, I end up spending at least £2,000 a year. However, with public transport it's less than £700. The problem with public transport is how crowded it can be :S
Taxes on roads are necessary to internalize 'externalities' of pollution and congestion. Building larger roads without increasing the price would make these problems even worse.
What's this carbon footprint hazzar rubbish? Hey presto raise taxes and save the planet...do u honestly believe that? I take it that u subscribe to this flawed politically correct nonsense that CO2 drives climate...it's just another tax grab from the thieving bastards in Whitehall under the pretext that they r saving the environment. See beyond the propaganda u read in the leftist rags. Do u drive? Do u work? Somehow I doubt it ;-)
How many cars on the road are driven by people who are driving for "no desernable reason"?? not many! Most people drive for more practical reasons like say doing the shopping, picking the kids up from school etc etc...how many cars on the road for the love of driving...r u freaking kidding me?
Absolute rubbish. I NEED to drive to get about as do millions of others who for example work on an industrial estate. Public transport is TOO EXPENSIVE.
PUBLIC TRANSPORT IS TOO EXPENSIVE! LOL!!!! So you have to pay for insurence, petrol and the bus itself when you pay for a bus? No. Get a grip. It is not more expensive to use public transport
Public transport is much more expensive fool, try getting about the country by train and do the maths. If u actually had the problem of commuting to work or travelling around the country in order to make a living u would know what u r talking about.
Yes, we do have the most expensive Public Transportation system in Europe. It's a pretty crap system too. It's this delightful Catch 22 situation you see - Public transport will still be horrible and expensive, so long as nobody is using it and therefore spreading the cost both of running and improving it. However no one will use it while it's still crap. You see the predicament here?
ah in trhwe country is very difrent considering this road tax thingy would be a hell of a lot cheeper on country roads, the main intended target of this tax thing is peoeple who drive around cities like london or birmingham which have perfectly good pubilc transport.
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Brigstoke is a complete cock who is probably in the pay of the Blairite regime through the state's Orwellian TV licence fees, he's on the beeb a fair bit and I bet they pay him handsomely for spouting his crap.
Do you know ANYTHING about Brigstocke? He doesn't like Blair, he criticises nearly everything, and no it isn't crap. Okay road pricing will line the pockets of MPS on the whole, but ALOT of people (not all but alot) will be discouraged by it, thereby reducing global warming and helping to save the planet.
Not so. People still need to use their cars to get to work, if hey raise the price the demand is fairly constant so it will not significantly reduce car usage. In either case there is no evidence that reducing car usage in Britain will lower global temperatures or "save the planet." Brigstoke is just a trendy liberal who talks utter crap.
People don't NEED their car to get to work, i mean not NEED they WANT not NEED. It will singnifcatly reduce car use cos next time you go, "hmm lets go for a drive for no desernable reson" you'd think "oh wait i have to pay" and then your carbon footprint is reduced right there. hazzar. plus MArcus isnt all that trendy, he supports Fox Hunting.
Oh, utter genius, that one. Because of course normally, I run my car for free, of course I do. I don't put petrol in it, or buy tyres, or get it serviced.
and infact i don't care you can, the point is that you can save that money and you chose to spend it, the Gov is not making you pay upwards of £500 so you can't complaine, well you can but you have no reson to.
Marcus is a very opinionated left wing man, and, IMO, right more often than he is wrong. He criticises what he sees as wrong and isn't afraid of telling people what he things - whether that's being anti-war, anti-Trident, anti-4x4s (and good on him for that!).
It would suprise me immensely if he was pro-hunting.
do u honestly need to be shown a motive? lol Raising taxes on car use does nothing but line the pockets of the parasitic autocrats' who are supposed to serve us. Were they remotely serious about reducing car usage they would reduce the cost of public transport yet we have the most expensive transport system in Europe.
so you don't like lining the pockets of the Tax office who may use that money to better the country, but you do like giivving money to some fat cat car dealier who will use it to.... i dunno Buy some cloths some vitnamies kid made for 3p..... intresting.
What do u know about the tax office or taxes? Very little I'd imagine. Car dealers r not "fat cats" they employ people who in turn pay tax (in theory at least)to support public services.making money is not a crime!! it's the principle, fundamental basis on which civilisation depends. U don't understand how the world works Comrade lefty.
Has it occurred to you that people might take your political stance a bit more seriously if you could get through a single post without name-calling and accusations of communism? I mean you can disagree with them all you want, but can we leave the hair-pulling and bitchiness for the House of Commons please?
That comment betrays your true agenda, which has nothing to do with the environment but more to do with righteous preaching to make u feel better about yourself. Idiots like u have hijacked the environmental movement and it makes me sick.
shill? Fool? Puppet? Why are you not suspicious that the only solution they find for congestion is yet another Big Brother clamp on UK citizens? Oh i'm just a zany conspiracy nut i suppose??
Well unless you can show me a motive for the goevernment spying on us I think its far more important to get cars off the road and for people to use public transport
A huge percentage of people that are stuck in traffic daily, have a deskjob. they spend all workingday in the same room, mostly working on a pc. get them to work from home. video conferencing if necessary, link the phone through. it's really doable, practical, and I honestly dont get why it isnt being done loads more. other than lack of selfdiscipline in modern day western civilisation.
FeanorDae 1 year ago
grow up, you MORONS !
wda013 2 years ago
I always wondered how economic public transport is. I'd be the only person on the bus some days...I really don't think my $3.60 would pay for the fuel to get me to my destination, and it would always take twice as long as driving as we'd always have to stop. I suppose you get what you pay for. Traffic would also be a lot easier if there were about 99% less wanks on the road.
DemstarAus 2 years ago
You know what I would like? a public transport system that ISN'T SHIT, one that is resonably priced and gets me where I need to get to in a reasonable amount of time.
Until then I'm keeping my car.
leapoffaith20 3 years ago 12
Marcus. For the sake of humour you're quite good. But for fucks sake, leave the average working man who doesn't have a choice i.e. Those who can't travel 60 miles a day on a fucking bicycle with 50kg of plaster on his back a break...you rich, idealistic twat.
scudlington 3 years ago
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He didn't choose your job, you should have payed more attention at school
DareToFail1989 3 years ago
Now...plastering is a great skill, something that you won't learn at school and something that is truly necessary. Someday, you too will require the services of a plasterer and I'll bet you'll be more than happy that said plasterer is either too knackered from his 'eco' friendly journey to complete the job or just couldn't be arsed in the first place because there's no money in it.
Speaking for friends of course. I did pay attention at school and I'm not a plasterer.
scudlington 3 years ago 2
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Exactly! Well said that man!
mangahead21 2 years ago
Carbon footprint arguments are terrible. Calculating your CO2 footprint is so complicated that when everything is taken into account it's more eco friendly to drive to the supermarket than take a bicycle (food emissions). Five people in a bus is less eco friendly than five people in a small car.
Whilst road pricing would have succeeded in reducing congestion, the proposed costs were so great that some people would have quit work due to the cost of commuting.
Archie2K 3 years ago
I don't dislike road pricing OR the increased price in petrol, because I don't drive, I've been forced to use crappy public transport for 27 years. It's about time those of us with a low carbon footprint got some sort of satisfaction over anything. Perhaps we can have some better trains, now? Stop fucking driving, stop fucking whining.
Spacecat42 3 years ago 3
Here, Here!!! By increasing the petrol price, and introducing road pricing, you could spend money gained from said taxes on improving the public transport, thus killing two or three birds with one stone. The public transport would be brilliant, you would no longer need to drive. The planet would be better off, and there would be less congestion. Better for everybody in the long run.
heddingham 3 years ago
Good lord, someone agrees with me! Yay!
Spacecat42 3 years ago
We need more people like this. The funds for public transport are lackluster and, yet we are encouraged to use it and apart from self atisfaction and a better planet we have no benifits, its time to stand up and do something!
J4CK2709 3 years ago
Thanks for understanding.
Spacecat42 3 years ago
Road pricing is one of the dumbest ideas ever, it charges people more to use buisy roads, more if the have a car which uses alot of fuel and more to drive through built up areas, it's identical to fuel duty, but rather than just increase fuel duty the government comes up with a far more complex, expensive and burocratic way of achieving the same goal.
ChrisBenit 4 years ago
you only need to to a level economics to realise road pricing is a good idea. fuel duty may reduce people on the road but is innefective because it does not target the specific time of day when congestion is at its highest. road pricing charges you based on the business of the road. It is aimed to reduce the social costs of congestion (eg people getting to work late and thus their productivity being reduces) by internalising the social cost of congestion to the driver.
somerandomer 3 years ago 2
randomer, road pricing will do little to ease congestion, as you have an A-level in economics you will probably be aware of the term "Price Elasticity of demand" its a pretty basic concept, you may also be aware that the Price Elasticity of demand for road usage is "Inelastic" To those unsure in basic terms this means "The % change in quantity demanded is smaller than the % change in price"
dude157 3 years ago
Therefor if you increase the cost of using roads, it will have a much smaller effect on the number of road users compared with the % increase in revenue generated.
The real solution would be to build roads with more lanes to ease conjestion, increasing the supply of roads thus removing the excess demand for roads
dude157 3 years ago
it has been shown repeatedly that in the long run increasing the lanes on roads does not ease congestion as it makes road travel more appealing and traffic levels expand to fill the road space.
by definition, if you make people pay for the entire social cost of driving, this will move it back to a socially optimum level however
somerandomer 3 years ago
people need to get to get work. Pricing people out of using the roads and forcing them into public transport is the wrong way to do it.
if youve ever been on a bus or the tube during rush hour you would know that public transport is already streched to limits and cant operate on time, nevermind completely overcrowded, the government should be doing its bit to help the driver, they do pay an awful lot of tax compared with the rest of the world.
dude157 3 years ago
I never took economis, but i am an engineering student and can tell you that a car uses more fuel when in congested trafic, so more fuel will be used and therefore more cost to the motorist, from what you're saying fleible work hours seem an equally realistic solution.
ChrisBenit 3 years ago 2
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i like him, he's funny...but what a cock
obsidian348 4 years ago
you like cock?
synchc 4 years ago
no...i dislike road pricing and disagree with his amusing speach
obsidian348 4 years ago
Oh. Is that it? Where's the rest of the rant?
BobTKaye 4 years ago
We're going to spend billions of pounds on a completely pointless system of taxation, when fuel duty already provides a system that is not only fair, but virtually free for the government. So we can either continue to use fuel as a means of taxation and spend the savings on, say, education, defence, health, aid for those affected by global warming in the third world, etc, or we could buy a completely pointless system. Hmmm, tough choice.
jellyfishdave 4 years ago
So we've worked out that people already have to pay money to drive, so the point of road pricing is what exactly?
jellyfishdave 4 years ago
"Public transport is much more expensive fool, try getting about the country by train and do the maths. If u actually had the problem of commuting to work or travelling around the country in order to make a living u would know what u r talking about."
Its only more expensive in the short term, if you work it out over a year you will see that a car is much more expensive.
LalVeritas 4 years ago
PIFFLE
anyfekinnamewilldo 4 years ago
Right, so you can't answer me so you just use insults...
LalVeritas 4 years ago
@LalVeritas
Bloody true, with current fuel prices, insurance rates, I end up spending at least £2,000 a year. However, with public transport it's less than £700. The problem with public transport is how crowded it can be :S
TurboDally 1 year ago
Taxes on roads are necessary to internalize 'externalities' of pollution and congestion. Building larger roads without increasing the price would make these problems even worse.
Cassin123 4 years ago
What's this carbon footprint hazzar rubbish? Hey presto raise taxes and save the planet...do u honestly believe that? I take it that u subscribe to this flawed politically correct nonsense that CO2 drives climate...it's just another tax grab from the thieving bastards in Whitehall under the pretext that they r saving the environment. See beyond the propaganda u read in the leftist rags. Do u drive? Do u work? Somehow I doubt it ;-)
anyfekinnamewilldo 4 years ago
How many cars on the road are driven by people who are driving for "no desernable reason"?? not many! Most people drive for more practical reasons like say doing the shopping, picking the kids up from school etc etc...how many cars on the road for the love of driving...r u freaking kidding me?
anyfekinnamewilldo 4 years ago
Absolute rubbish. I NEED to drive to get about as do millions of others who for example work on an industrial estate. Public transport is TOO EXPENSIVE.
anyfekinnamewilldo 4 years ago
PUBLIC TRANSPORT IS TOO EXPENSIVE! LOL!!!! So you have to pay for insurence, petrol and the bus itself when you pay for a bus? No. Get a grip. It is not more expensive to use public transport
LalVeritas 4 years ago
Public transport is much more expensive fool, try getting about the country by train and do the maths. If u actually had the problem of commuting to work or travelling around the country in order to make a living u would know what u r talking about.
anyfekinnamewilldo 4 years ago
Yes, we do have the most expensive Public Transportation system in Europe. It's a pretty crap system too. It's this delightful Catch 22 situation you see - Public transport will still be horrible and expensive, so long as nobody is using it and therefore spreading the cost both of running and improving it. However no one will use it while it's still crap. You see the predicament here?
OneWarpedCookie 4 years ago
ah in trhwe country is very difrent considering this road tax thingy would be a hell of a lot cheeper on country roads, the main intended target of this tax thing is peoeple who drive around cities like london or birmingham which have perfectly good pubilc transport.
Comradesnowball 4 years ago
so your telling me that the cost of
the road tax
the petrol
the Tyre changes
the MOT
and the car itself
are all less expencive that 90p a day?
Comradesnowball 4 years ago
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Brigstoke is a complete cock who is probably in the pay of the Blairite regime through the state's Orwellian TV licence fees, he's on the beeb a fair bit and I bet they pay him handsomely for spouting his crap.
anyfekinnamewilldo 4 years ago
Do you know ANYTHING about Brigstocke? He doesn't like Blair, he criticises nearly everything, and no it isn't crap. Okay road pricing will line the pockets of MPS on the whole, but ALOT of people (not all but alot) will be discouraged by it, thereby reducing global warming and helping to save the planet.
welshdevondragon 4 years ago
Not so. People still need to use their cars to get to work, if hey raise the price the demand is fairly constant so it will not significantly reduce car usage. In either case there is no evidence that reducing car usage in Britain will lower global temperatures or "save the planet." Brigstoke is just a trendy liberal who talks utter crap.
anyfekinnamewilldo 4 years ago
People don't NEED their car to get to work, i mean not NEED they WANT not NEED. It will singnifcatly reduce car use cos next time you go, "hmm lets go for a drive for no desernable reson" you'd think "oh wait i have to pay" and then your carbon footprint is reduced right there. hazzar. plus MArcus isnt all that trendy, he supports Fox Hunting.
Comradesnowball 4 years ago
Oh, utter genius, that one. Because of course normally, I run my car for free, of course I do. I don't put petrol in it, or buy tyres, or get it serviced.
jellyfishdave 4 years ago
and think of all the money you'll save on petrol and Tyres when you decide to walk or get the bus.
Comradesnowball 4 years ago
No, I think I'd much rather spend upwards of £500 a month running my car than catch the bus, thank you very much.
jellyfishdave 4 years ago
why? don't want to mix with the plebs?
Comradesnowball 4 years ago
and infact i don't care you can, the point is that you can save that money and you chose to spend it, the Gov is not making you pay upwards of £500 so you can't complaine, well you can but you have no reson to.
Comradesnowball 4 years ago
You clearly know nothing about him, since he was an outspoken critic of the war in Iraq as well as the decision to renew Trident
LalVeritas 4 years ago 3
Marcus is a very opinionated left wing man, and, IMO, right more often than he is wrong. He criticises what he sees as wrong and isn't afraid of telling people what he things - whether that's being anti-war, anti-Trident, anti-4x4s (and good on him for that!).
It would suprise me immensely if he was pro-hunting.
gibberingfool 4 years ago
do u honestly need to be shown a motive? lol Raising taxes on car use does nothing but line the pockets of the parasitic autocrats' who are supposed to serve us. Were they remotely serious about reducing car usage they would reduce the cost of public transport yet we have the most expensive transport system in Europe.
anyfekinnamewilldo 4 years ago
so you don't like lining the pockets of the Tax office who may use that money to better the country, but you do like giivving money to some fat cat car dealier who will use it to.... i dunno Buy some cloths some vitnamies kid made for 3p..... intresting.
Comradesnowball 4 years ago
What do u know about the tax office or taxes? Very little I'd imagine. Car dealers r not "fat cats" they employ people who in turn pay tax (in theory at least)to support public services.making money is not a crime!! it's the principle, fundamental basis on which civilisation depends. U don't understand how the world works Comrade lefty.
anyfekinnamewilldo 4 years ago
"Comrade Lefty" ? Are you kidding me?
Has it occurred to you that people might take your political stance a bit more seriously if you could get through a single post without name-calling and accusations of communism? I mean you can disagree with them all you want, but can we leave the hair-pulling and bitchiness for the House of Commons please?
OneWarpedCookie 4 years ago 3
That comment betrays your true agenda, which has nothing to do with the environment but more to do with righteous preaching to make u feel better about yourself. Idiots like u have hijacked the environmental movement and it makes me sick.
anyfekinnamewilldo 4 years ago
shill? Fool? Puppet? Why are you not suspicious that the only solution they find for congestion is yet another Big Brother clamp on UK citizens? Oh i'm just a zany conspiracy nut i suppose??
podpages 5 years ago 2
Well unless you can show me a motive for the goevernment spying on us I think its far more important to get cars off the road and for people to use public transport
LalVeritas 5 years ago