#152 - Manatee Tech Roundtable part 9 of at least 16?

[oryxchannel]

good people

[joecap02]

Hi Z, i conclude on this project that we need enough pressure or voltage to break the hy

drogen from the water to run the car alone with water with........minimal input, what can u say?

[uawwildbob]

these round tables are the best thing I've seen in the HHO movement. wish there was one near where I live .

[insAneTunA]

I really like to know if somebody was able to convince the professor that the fuel cells are really able to improve the gas millage?

[mikeyidh]

Thanks Zero I learned alot from watching these videos. You encouraged me to convert my 2  12" by 6" plate wet cells into dry cells.. I want to know where I can network with the Manatee Tech Roundtable. I am a member of the ebn forum with d3 and ssc. But the more the better. By the way take a look at noryl as a material for the cell. Bob boyce has made one and so did general electrics. Keep me in the circle.

[GBH2o4u]

Stanley Myeers had discovered something important!, he found the right frequncy with his P.W.M and we have yet to rediscover that special frequency,on his web site it was a progressive freq. with a dwell time,with a certain amount of waves & off time, his pattern repeated itself, allowing the bonds between the 2 hydrogens and 1 oxygen too release easier! Somehow "john Kanzius" stumbled on a simular finding in his indever to find a cure for cancer! Gods speed to those who care for the people!

[billmorgan914]

Hi GBH2o4u: I like these debates. Kanzius uses radio waves. Most tranmitters are at 75% efficient at most, my DX77 transceiver uses 276 Watts to get out 100 Watts. Zero's cells are much better than any radio transmitter. Unlike pure H2, we can not store HHO as it is too combustable. And as for Cl2, at some point it will exceed its solubity in H2O and will be pull into the engine. Thanks. Bill

[GBH2o4u]

Thanks Bill I enjoy these debates too...I rented a real cool movie last night, have you seen it :"Chain reaction" I realy like the beginning and the end, but if you havent seen it I dont want to give it away, but for those into this technolegy will Love this movie! Have you been able to seperate water with radio waves? Heres another cool youtube vidio to check out"Perendev magnetic motor" Id like to make a small one into a generator, to produce enough energy for the HHO to completly run a car!

[GBH2o4u]

I believe you need to produce the HHO on demand, with some presure only in the line going to your cars fuel injection system, enough for the cars quick responce to go up to full throttle? the cars timming should be advanced and the computer needs to be fooled or even bypassed into thinking the system is opperating normally? I am excited with radio waves!, See how much HHO he was getting from that small testube? I however think there was gold particals inside the salt water?its worth testing!

[GBH2o4u]

Hey, Zero&Bill what do you fill about amplifing the right frequency of radio waves, I know you said that most transmitters are at about 75% efficient, but cant you strenghten it with some kind of amplifier, Please tell me if you guys have tried this or are wanting too?What happens when the cell with the salts CL2 is gone from the cell wont you just have the Sodium, and will that remain in the cell to be used as a great electrolyte? Any news on anyone trying this solid polymer poris electrolyte?

[billmorgan914]

No, the 75% is mainly from the amplifer as that is where most of the power is used. After the Cl2 is gone, the sodium reamains as an ion, and if you where to let it dry you would have NaOH, or lye, which you could have use in the frist place as an electrolite. Don't know anything about the solid polymer. Thanks

[BigFireDave]

HiZ, the gentleman talking about feeding hydroxy into a biesle at idle is one of the projects I am trying to work on. No spak plug so o way to run pure nhydroxy but at idle the fuel consumption would be terrifiic. Perhapse if you would care to pass it on to him I am making a modification to Mr Myers gas control valve as seen in his patent for a hydroxy carburator to feed the diesle. I have the patent number somewhere and a copy of the patent if he is interested.

[BikoHatna]

Hi Zero,

Been busy but as I was watching these and the comments I noticed that that there is not very large increases in mileage. However I have been noticing that when my vehicle is under load, such as up a hill or when pulling a 2000 lb trailer That is when I see the same mileage as when I am driving unloaded on a level road. Has anyone tested this? It seems HHO works best under load.

Again thank you for all the effort posting all this it is Great!

[jwsoup]

Thank you for posting this zero! When and where was this forum held? (manatee county?)I would love to attend stuff like this and I live in clearwater.

[Dimmett40]

Zero, I'm curious, did the professor get what he came for?

[Dimmett40]

Zero, where are videos 10 through at least 16? Am I missing something?

[GBH2o4u]

hey z.f.f I just thought of a radical concept,how do you feel about a Hydrogen overunity system,one that would work by producing enough hydrogen to completly run your veical+use some of the HHo to create power to run the cell, since Hydrogen and Oxygen can produce energy,I was allways tought you cant get more energy out then you put in,but i know thats not true, with the p.w.m it takes less power to produce the same amount of gas then hooked directly,Stanly M. was on to something...

[billmorgan914]

Sorry, HHO systems have only reached about 80% of the Faraday limit, not 101% needed for overunity.

[GBH2o4u]

hi, z.f.f I believe you guys are right about all of us as a community should help with this great indever, to get cars 2run more effeciant with gas but soon to give everyone the abilty to convert there car to become "zero fossil fuel",I would like to share some ideas, stainless has a resistance to it,using copper plates that could be plated with gold,or cromimum,do you think that this would increase the cells eff.?copper is one of our best conducters,and gold has great propertes it wont oxidize

[lynel1985]

from memory both gold and platinum have less resistance then copper and are both very oxidisation resistant. Cost is a big reason not many have toiled with this idea, but yes you are on the right track, if that a stainless constructed cell can have energy in = energy out then more efficient cell plates would surely come close to overunity (energy out is greater then energy in)

[GBH2o4u]

Thanks, have you ever thought what might happen say if someone built a dry cell,with alittle wider gaps maybe 1/8" this could bring even more effeciantcy,now I also know that there is the best way to wire the cell, now what that configuration is I dont know?Do you?Ok then the cells plate material is critical for max. eff. Surface area is also a factor.Optimum temperature of the cell another factor! even the electrolyte,Ive heard of a polymer solide electrolyte?P.W.M is critical+right v & amps!

[lynel1985]

with the results ive seen plate spacing is best kept to a minimum, as the plates are already resisting current, having less water to pass through would be a benefit (even though water is far better conductor then the plate material) For all experiements tho i would like to see people just using salt water, ultaimtely thats where our 'unlimited' supply is; in our oceans. I think we need 2 work on making a cell make 10L/min b4 try and make it efficient. Until then its not doing anything for us.

[GBH2o4u]

Optimum gap spacing? Do you think the spacing needs to increases with the increase of the voltage, And what could be the right amount of amps to push the voltage, I think that number might be around 10+or-, but we need to do the experiment? I noticed on one vidio that when each - + plate was isolated from the rest, hudge produation! with the dry cells this could be achieved with plastic plates dividing each set of -+ plates, you would just need a hole drilled in top and bottom,competing forces?

[GBH2o4u]

Another theory I have is that pot. hydroxide is not the very best electrolyte it has some apparent flaws one is it makes some narly foam,+ it is very costic,and I also think that the electrons flowing threw the water have to overcome resistance jumping from molecule to molecule of the pot. hydroxide! could be wrong about that, but if we can discover a substance that works as well as salt, this would be perfect!Maybe the answer is plain old salt,after the cloride is striped from it!please respond

[ZeroFossilFuel]

I see. So by salt without the chloride you're referring to pure sodium? Have you ever seen how sodium reacts in water?

[GBH2o4u]

I used sea salt along time ago and it worked great, but I stoped using it because it did seperate the sodium from the cloride, but the sodium left behind seemed stable supended in the cell,it never spontaniously combusted or anything, some how it was stable!I thought the whitesh floatys in the water was ugly so I ruled out salt, but maybe in that state it would be our best choice as a electrolyte Please try salt and share discoveries!Thanks. Experimented with a solid poris polymer electrolyte?

[lynel1985]

hahah yeah i have its brilliant. Ive posted this elsewhere, but filtered sea water would be a good benchmark to start using, ultimately its where our 'limitless' supply of H2O will be. Besides crud in the water, wouldnt all seawater have the same salinity? give or take

[billmorgan914]

Okay time for basic chemisity. NaCl is the same no matter where you get it. It just has other ions with it. At the anode, along with the O(2), you get Cl(2) which mainly stays in solution, but you do not get a 1 to 2 ratio of H(2) to 0(2) because of the Cl(2) production. The Na stays in solution as an ion because at the catode the H(2) is so strong, but even if Na metal was produced it would react with water and go back into solution. If you use salt long it will start producing Cl(2) gas. Tks.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Thank you, Bill. Absolutely correct. Chlorine gas is a very bad thing.

[GBH2o4u]

Zero, with all due respect the clorinaters on swimming pools make clorine all the time, it uses rock salt and has a cathode and anode and the clorine is used for the pool,Im not sure why my ideas are shut down,I disagree clorine is not a bad thing! it should remain inside the unit,I think the potasium hydroxide is a bad choice for a electrolyte!

[GBH2o4u]

Dear Zero please check on youtube:"kanzius" He found a way to use radio waves to seperate sea water! and a possible cure for cancer!now we should be able to get clues from his findings to improve the Hydrogen cells production expanentally!!!please post a response to his findings, Thanks...

[proventionlab]

With the next HHO seminar being so close to this one, and the fact that you are unable to attend, I don't believe the crowd will be as large. Nor do I think it will be as informative as this gathering (I'm still going). There were quite a few great minds coming together here and we thank you for recording and sharing it with us.

[TimeOverMatter]

WOW, as I said before... can't wait to see the rest of this series.

Maybe you answered this down the line but, What prompted this gathering, the audience size looks fairly large, where is this Manatee Tech? I would guess somewhere in Florida going by the name.

Did you get releases from those people to put them on your channel? Just kidding about that one, I am sure they saw the camera...

[mikeyidh]

Zero SS is not the only material that can be used. There is another material that I am familiar with. In fact its actually a plastic. Both bob boyce and GE made cells with the material I am speaking of. From what I understand this is a conductive plastic that is resistant to corrosion from the powerful electrolyte in the water. When you can research the material NORYL.

I hope this can help.

[eandatoo]

mikeyidh, I read a little about NORYL from Wikipedia. You're right. It says "Noryl has possible applications in the production of hydrogen, where it could serve as cost-effective electrodes in an electrolyzer, replacing expensive rare elements. It is highly resistant against the alkaline potassium hydroxide. For conductivity the plastic is sprayed with a nickel-based catalyst.[1]" It's been around since 1966. Very interesting

[mikeyidh]

Im glad I could help. I found it a while back. I was doing a lot of research then I came across it in an article on General electrics. They made a prototype. I tried to find out more about a reproduction. This to me was a REAL BRAKE THROUGH. I found no information on reproduction. We need to get this technology in the right hands. I make a plastic cell. I hope EBN will take a look at this. I could use their help.

[mikeyidh]

Wow Zero you can really draw a crowd.

[fergus247]

you guys are the future

[czarwright]

Thank You Zero, I'm very interested in this stuff. I will be there this year with my car.

I'm glad to see this all starting to come together now.

[bartley440]

Are they Talking about Hydrogen or HHO? Or both?

I know Ravi has mentioned that over time HHO can damage a gasoline engine. Possible due to the additives that people use to generate the electrolysis process. Not to mention some of these chemicals are hazards and adds to the cost over time. That's why Stanley Meyer used tap water. I know, I know good luck in duplicating his process..... I'll keep trying! :0)

[LarryMReed]

Zero is there anyway you could send me this in it's entirety? I'm extermly interested in the gentelman from Nashville, since I'm 30 or so miles away.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

These 9 clips were chopped up from one very large original .MOD file. I discarded the original. The 2nd half has not been chopped up yet. I can burn them as-is to a disk of you like. PM me with your mailing address.