Ever wonder what it's like to find a WMD?

[danthman114]

they just contaminated that c.a.m. when they touched that round.

[wickstarrr]

thats probably the weapons we sold him before the war

[jonathan12278]

yay first coment this year! where mi prize haha ty for putting ur life on the line to protect me :D mi heros xD

[DDTea]

This is a really interesting video. What is your MOS?

I always figured that more of these would be found; in fact, one was actually used in a bombing (2 or 3 guys had to be treated for nerve agent exposure), but the insurgents screwed up--it was a binary shell and they didn't premix it. Still, it seems more likely that these were old artillery shells than the product of a (then) existing program, which means they still weren't a real threat to the US.

[hrb5711]

HAHA dumb asses. On a 256A1 Detector ticket blue means ALL CLEAR for nerve! And the brown on it means they had it in the sun to long.

3 bars on a CAM is not conclusive enough. A lot of stuff with set off the cam. They didn't find anything, they didn't know how to use the equipment and were to excited to find some rounds.

How do I know? USMC CBRND (this shit is my job).

[CujoTheMadDawg310]

Hooah marine , CBRN Recon US ARMY

[PatriotTK421]

We found 550 metric tons of yellowcake uranium in Iraq. 500+ bombs with chemical agents. But if Saddam SAYS he didn't have any, well, that's good enough for the Liberal puke stains around the world. Who wouldn't believe Saddam over Bush? Al Gore said they had them in 92, so did Billy Clinton. Check the Iraqi Liberation Act. Both Gore and Clinton are on youtube warning of Iraq WMD dangers. But that was before the war was "unpopular". Both are turncoat cowards.

[chinballs2]

everyone knows iraq had chemical weapons, it was nukes that we were allegedly looking for.

[maruf92communist]

well, did they find any. Anyway USA have lot more stock. But who cares......it seams USA is the only one with right to defend itself. Also it have right to use on civilians ( Vietnam for example )

[maruf92communist]

And yah, whatever a government says, to its dumb people...it have to correct right.............ASSHOLE

[eoooooon]

"We thought, in our limited knowledge, that the results were conclusive...

"We sent a copy of the video up the chain of command and never heard about it again."

That's because more detailed tests proved negative.

[johnbrandon1988]

the idiots in the video are doing everything wrong in the first place! you don't use a training only battery compartment on the back of a CAM or ICAM and you always have the retention cord around your waist tied and drawn between your legs!!!

[cdmadison08]

Not if its a Saratoga. only JSLIST have the thong strap, Saratogas have a drawstring around the waist, and tend to ride up alot... and the 256 would stay clear if it was positive. plus its easier to get two or thee D cell battaries then a sealed battery for the CAM how do I know? cause im USMC CBRND. lol

[PatriotKS1975]

Wow, WMD just like the radioactive, chemical and biological weapons the U.S. government tests on its own people?? Scary. Saddam gased his people, so has the U.S. Government. Army "live agent testing program". Hey, im glad my government is "protecting me".

[ColtonThaBigSexyBear]

Reason they will not say they found this shit is because THE US GAVE THEM ALL THIS SHIT! and they know it itll make themselves look even more twisted and preverse that they funded iraq to fight against their troops.theyre playin chess while yall clueless sheep are playing checkers.

[sfbmod]

They have published this. There are even other youtube clips where SECDEF Rumsfeld publically stated they were finding WMD "everyday" followed with other video from other Soldiers testifying their eye-witness finds of WMD ordanence in Iraq. I get the impression you people only look or read for what you want to believe, not the real picture. But hey, you'll say that about people like me. You apparently don't have the wherewithall to look past the media filters. If you did, you'd know the truth.

[deezenutsbiatch]

secretary rumsfeld is a liar and a crook. Thats why hes not SECDEF any more.

[brooksie13]

So, deezenutsbiatch, you're saying Iraq had no WMDs in this post, yet in previous posts you are saying we gave Iraq WMDs. Which is it for you? Did Iraq have WMDs or did it not? You want to discount what other people say with the opposite opinion in order to stick with your hatred of President Bush. Pick a stance and stick with it. Yes, we did supply Iraq with WMDs for the Iran-Iraq war. How do you think we were pretty sure he had them?

[deezenutsbiatch]

you must of missed this part....

"Iraq than fought with iran for the better part of decade with these weapons."

here is a stance..

bush lied about sadaam's involvement in 9/11.

when talking about nukes bush stated "hes got em" multiple occasions. Which has been proven to be a lie.

bush wanted to go after saddam for his attemped assassination of his father. He doesn't give a shit about the american people.

A neuclear program and some empty nerve gas canisters are 2 different things.

[deezenutsbiatch]

oh by the way this video is complete bullshit by the way. Do you not think that if iraq was actually discovered WITH wmd's the bush administration would do everything in its power to make sure this information came to the mainstream media. WTF? Unless of course, all of those weapons could be traced back to the united states anyways.

[SaintMark5]

You know, at the time, and in the years since, vefore it could be analyzed On YouTube by real experts on this shit, I honestly assumed that it would be the ace up the Bush's sleeve, that it would eventually be used as credence for this insanely misjudged war. Knowing now, through the expertise of other NCB guys, that its still bullshit, it's no wonder they never used it, cuz it'd be debunked and ridiculed in an instant... the way Iran's missile test were?

[sfbmod]

I've talked to EOD guys as well, and they all say they're finding live WMD's on an almost daily basis even today. Even in the ISG report it was emphasized to keep what was found classified so as not to tip off al Qaeda from getting a trace or head start in finding other stuff. This is one of those cases where in 20-30 years from now everyone will see the Bush administration as a heroic and self-sacrificing (politically) administration that was honestly looking out for everyone in the world.

[PatriotKS1975]

LMAO. Id rather risk a terrorist attack than give up all of my personal freedoms. More blood has been spilled to protect my rights than any terror attack, thanks to bush those rights are destroyed. We no longer have a bill of rights or constitution.

[ercancubukcu]

My job is developing projects and equipment against CBRNe warfare. I can clearly tell that this is an old ammo which was probably similar to the one that were used in Northern Iraq during Saddam regime and killed thousands. Though, US operation in Iraq has nothing to do with WMD's. It is a total operation of controlling petrol and keeping USD low against Euro which was quite profitable. It is again all about the money. Sorry to say but you died and killed for the rich guys. Not for freedom.

[sfbmod]

I re-enlisted to fight in Iraq in 1998 under Bill Clinton. For all the same exact reasons today as then. You're lousy attempt at promoting pure terrorist and anti-American filth has failed. Everything we do in Iraq and elsewhere in the world is for freedom everywhere. And the Iraqi's and the world love us for it.

[ercancubukcu]

You have to travel, read and observe more about what world population think of US in general. I am against all kind of terrorist activity including governmental types. I also provide support for NATO COE-DAT so please open your eyes and see what you are doing. US used Agent Orange in Vietnam, used the A-Bomb on Japan, set General Ishi free for info on germ warfare, collected samples from Vozrozhdenye and more. SO please don't tell me that this was a war to unarm Iraq of WMD's.

[sfbmod]

I've lived in Asia, Germany, and the Middle East. You are quoting Osama bin Laden verbatim in your anti-American rhetoric. Your and his arguments are exaggorated and false given the fact the Vietnamese who fled and the Japenese still today love us for removing the fascists whom you represent.

No matter who you think you are, you are allied with the worst of humanity in your rhetoric. And we will defeat you.

[ercancubukcu]

I think you are not reading what I write. I am on the same side "who fight against terrorism". But you label anyone who doesn't share your ideas. We are cooperating with all armed forces of NATO including US to fight against terrorism. Yet, you do not accept the fact that WMD's are not created by those "rogue" countries but US, UK, Russia and such powerful countries. Do you think that the information on how to create those complex weapons dropped from sky to these "rogues"?

[ercancubukcu]

By the way, I must add, please watch your words when you are accusing someone. Try to be more objective rather than being an over nationalistic "RAMBO". The day strong countries stop earning money on "defence" contracts, world will be a peacefull place. You only condemn groups or nations as terrorists which are Islamic or communist. The WMD's you found in IRAQ are definitely supplied by former USSR. Try your chances on the SOURCES not TOOLS. Defeat us? Not a good way to treat your allies.

[sfbmod]

I've read the IAEA, UNSCOM, UNMOVIC, ISG, and other sources that have long agreed where Saddam's WMD capabilities have come from. It was kind of Germany to admit being a top provider themselves some years ago. However, my problem with you ercancubukcu, regardless of who's side you 'think' you are on; you agree more with Osama bin Laden based on what you have said here than you do with those who are risking our lives to stop the likes of him. You sir, need to change your rhetoric.

[ercancubukcu]

I am against all kind of terrorism. Personal, governmental, nationalistic or whatever. Osama Bin Laden is one of the terrorists and I am against him by all means. I did my military service just like you in my country trying to do that. We've lost more than 20,000 people on the war against terrorism in our country. Good luck on your cause. You are doing your part and I am doing my own. You can believe in what you are told. I hope you'll accomplish your mission to bring peace.

[dongkong16]

to be honest, i can safely say in this day and age "Who gives a crap?". what, nearly every country has nuclear warheads now so a WMD is well...nothing...

[MokomaSusi]

"nearly every country has nuclear warheads now"

No, not realy.

[dongkong16]

Yeah really, look it up and you'll see.

[MokomaSusi]

List of states with nuclear weapons: USA Russia UK France India China Pakistan N-Korea? Israel? You are aware that those aren't only countries in world?

[fuwad84]

OMG, a WMD, looks like munitions from the Iran-Iraq war. Thats it, the proof we need, Saddam DID have WMD's. We should bomb the capital and every major city of what ever country it was that gave him those.

[dongkong16]

I do hope that you're being sarcastic...

[fuwad84]

No im not,why would I be carcastic, Im entirely against all double standards in all its forms, I say we go ever and bomb the crap outta what ever country it was that gave Saddam those weapons which he used to kill thousands.

[dongkong16]

But that would cost alot, kill innocent people in the process, destroy a chunk of the earth and for WHAT? just to prove some point about a guy with WMD's, which would've done barely ANYTHING to the things that your armed forces have...

Talk about hypocritical...

[fuwad84]

"cost alot, kill innocent people", you mean kidna like we did in Iraq FOR WMDS? Why not, we need to teach rogue nations not to supply evil people with chemical weapons, I say we bomb every major city of what ever country it was that gave Saddam those weapons which he gassed people with. Go look up which country it was.

[dongkong16]

evil doesn't exist, just people with different ideas...WMD's aren't important anymore because the U.S has more then enough firepower to blow a few nations off the map...and where are these "super scary weapons"? i assume you've got things alot more deadly then those tin cans they found in an old bunker...

[fuwad84]

listen what im saying is a satire but its also a demonstration of what a sad set of double standards weve addopted in this country today. BTW go look up which country it was that supplied Saddam with those chemical weapons.

[dongkong16]

i can't find ANY source pointing to Saddam having a supplier of chemical weapons...the only items about dangerous weapons there according to Wikipedia were built by the UK (Chlorine gas factory), Germans and austrians back after WW2...Plus, what has double standards got to do with the war? all i'm concerned about is how much war kills and pollutes and is so stupid...

[sfbmod]

Saddam's illicit chemical and even nuclear weapon capable supplies are all very well detailed in IAEA reports posted for free at their website. Check it out, there was a reason why the U.N. unanimously agreed Saddam was still a threat with WMD capability in 2002. They weren't all lied too by Bush, unless you're saying the world's leaders are all that stupid. In that case, it was nice pretending to know you.

[PaintSniffer07]

so, why hang around in baghdad when you could've just taken those chemical/nuclear supplies and left?

[sfbmod]

Actually the 1,500 tons of yellow cake uranium the IAEA was monitoring in Iraq were shipped out after the war ended in Iraq. But as the Democrats USED to say about foreign policy, "if you break it, you fix it." And Bush is just being a 'good' Democrat while the Democrats are being, well, 'bad'.

[macroofiel]

lol @ u. not only did the CIA put saddam into power originally but the USA directly or indirectly was responsible for majority of regimes weapon systems. LOL.

[sfbmod]

Um, actually Saddam admitted joining the KGB in the 70's when he argued his case to annex Kuwait. But you keep on drinking that kool-aid there kid. Oh, and all that French and Soviet made military equipment Saddam had hanging around killing our guys with was a REAL sign the USA was always responsible for that mass murderer. I can't believe how stupid some people can be these days.

[PaintSniffer07]

"USA was always responsible for that mass murderer" Yeah your country hung him...coulda at least given him leathel injection for an easier death.

[sfbmod]

Further proof the US does not run Iraq. The Iraq Supreme Court held a trial for about a year and when Saddam asked for a military firing squad, the Iraqi High Court denied his request and gave him the lowest form of sentencing in THEIR law; death by hanging. And you really need to learn what the word 'sarcasm' means. The USA is listed as selling less than 1% of Saddam's total arms over his 30 year reign. Even Canada sold arms to Iraq. There's a reason why the UN labels Saddam as Franco-Soviet.

[deezenutsbiatch]

United States gave saddam over 40 billion dollars of weapons and technology through the 1980's with many other transactions "off book".Iraq than fought with iran for the better part of decade with these weapons. Saddam than killed many thousand of his own Kurdish population with chemical weapons supplied by the united states. After this genocide the united states funding INCREASED towards Iraq and responded "We're interested in being involved in a closer dialogue with Iraq".

[sfbmod]

Ok, questions then: if it was "off book" how do you or anyone know about? Saddam or bin Laden told you?

And with so many US weapons and technology, why has Saddam always used Soviet and Chinese equipment throughout his entire regime? Did Saddam just SELL his US weapons and trade them in for Soviet ones?

You need to learn to lie better, your puppet masters have failed you.

[deezenutsbiatch]

learn to READ! united states gave saddam over 40 billion dollars worth of weapons and technology. This is a proven fact. Other transactions were part of a "dont ask dont tell" policy. why dont you read up on "U.S. support for Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war" and get back to me.

[deezenutsbiatch]

to "bomb the crap out of the country that armed saddam" you would need to bomb the united states and cia.

[fuwad84]

NOOOO that couldnt possibly be what I meant, OF COURSE NOT! *cough SARCASM!

[DTHuey]

I couldn't read the print on that paper test, but I looked for a description of it online. In the instructions for a test that looks identical, it states that NO color change in the star indicates the presence of nerve agent, while a colored star means there is none.

[eocrwade]

That is the M-256 test kit. It tests for lewisite, blister, nerve and blood agents

[fredfighteru]

Dear SaintMark5,

One of the soldiers in the video directs our attention to 'tons of exploded ordinance'.

Do you have as estimate as to when it exploded?

Was this a cache hit during the fighting in 2003, or back during 1991, or during the Iran-Iraq war?

If a mortar round is NOT HE, is there anything it reasonably could be other than some sort of WMD (e.g. smoke or incindiery)?

--

FF

[SaintMark5]

All good questions...

Some of the residue on the ground, esp. around 2:25 seemed recent, since no environmental erosion has washed away whatever red shit is on the ground surrounding the UNEXPLODED mortar. The cache was probably bombed first, then we were sent in to run preliminary basic field tests of the aftermath. These rounds were never exploded, though there does seem to be a large amount of shrapnel in the immediate area.

[CultureWar77]

Very nice videos Sir, and I appreciate your service for our great country!

I'm curious, why hasn't this video been broadcasted, so the whole world could see what you guys found? Especially with all the heat Bush and his administration is taking, something like this would stop anti-war Liberals dead in their tracks.

[SaintMark5]

I think thats why I never really advertised this, since it is sort of incriminating. But if somebody would like to take a stab at tipping off the media I'd be curious to see the reaction. The debunking theories in the comments here though are most likely enough to shoot down its prospects.

[SaintMark5]

This was in May or June of 03, when the mission was still looking for possible WMDs, along with Saddam and other high-ranking officials. This was the only place my particular unit ever found anything resembling NBC. All else was regular HE munitions.

The smoke/incindiery might be possible... I'm not sure if any chemicals in those kind of rounds would give those tests a false positive. I'm not an NBC guy, so the accuracy of those readings is unknown to me.

[eocrwade]

I am in the navy and in CBR training and the 256 kit and the CAM are both highly accurate especialy the 256 kit

[gokufievel]

You boys need to get and make a lot more of these VIDEOS! NOW!

Forget about Bush he's lost and has gone from Cowboy to Sissy.

This isn't about Politics or Bush this is about knowing that you BOYS FOUGHT FOR THE RIGHT REASONS AFTER ALL. I do not want you to come back from Iraq the way my Father came back from VietNam.

GET MORE OF THESE VIDEOS UP NOW! EMAIL THEM TO AS MANY NEWS ORGANISATIONS AND TALK SHOWS NOW!

[shlamdchevy]

from the looks of those fishtails and the jslist suits this is prob post OIF1.those CAMS would be set off by the gun powder and what not by the artillery shells. i had a scare with the same thing. so it might not have even been anything

[THEREALimnotyou]

now let me ask, which of these is the legal reason to enter iraq?

[geeezzzberger]

UNSCR 1441 - November 8, 2002,UNSCR 1284 - December 17, 1999,UNSCR 1205 - November 5, 1998,UNSCR 1194 - September 9, 1998,UNSCR 1154 - March 2, 1998,UNSCR 1137 - November 12, 1997,UNSCR 1134 - October 23, 1997,UNSCR 1115 - June 21, 1997,UNSCR 1060 - June 12, 1996,UNSCR 1051 - March 27, 1996,UNSCR 949 - October 15, 1994,UNSCR 715 - October 11, 1991,UNSCR 707 - August 15, 1991,UNSCR 688 - April 5, 1991,UNSCR 687 - April 3, 1991,UNSCR 686 - March 2, 1991,UNSCR 678 - November 29, 1990

[THEREALimnotyou]

well i must say, more than i expected. a non argument though, because you could justify invading japan on that argument. if you petition the court, and then when that isnt satisfying you, make a different petition which falls flat on its face, you cant ignore it, and go back to your original petition.

[geeezzzberger]

legal authorization to enforce the cease fire -

[THEREALimnotyou]

oh, i see. iraq had fired at the usa? you didnt answer the question, which of those 2 situations occured. the rules say you had to have authorization from the security council, or being attacked. which was it? if you wish to continue your argument, do it with the experts who have said different.

[geeezzzberger]

no - read it real - it said Saddam was required to give full disclosure - he did not - no serious legal opposition has been able to develop a case of illegality in this case - morally, it was just the right thing to do

[THEREALimnotyou]

so its moral to violate the same laws that saddam had broke when he invaded kuwait? 1441 said the usa needed second security resolution authorizing invasion, whether he was in compliance or not. 1441 did not authorize invasion, which is why bush tried and failed to get second resolution, they actually withdrew second because had it been voted on, the bush admin couldnt claim saddam wasnt in non compliance, because there would be a decision saying no to second resolution authorizing invasion.

[geeezzzberger]

It said it was the last chance for Saddam to come into compliance and spelled it out as full disclosure and access, neither of which were forthcoming - you see the list of an ongoing pattern of repeating the same offenses - there is more than enough proof there for any reasonable person to make the determination that Saddam had no intention toward compliance.

[fredfighteru]

To the contrary, UNMOVIC which was tasked with determining if Iraq was compliant WAS satisfied with the Iraqi cooperation. Hans Blix described it as 'unprecedented.' Meanwhile, less diplomatic persons in the UNMOVIC field teams described the uS intelligence as 'shit'.

[rickrocker]

WTF? I can justify invading Japan on the grounds that they surprise attacked Pearl Harbor? Don't you know history?!?!?

[THEREALimnotyou]

over the years, scholars have expanded the required trigger for self-defense to include both when an armed attack occurs and when an armed attack is imminent.

[THEREALimnotyou]

take him and the guy who gave him the gun down....dont let one criminal eliminate his accomplice.

[THEREALimnotyou]

oh, and do it legally. Article 2(4) of the U.N. Charter, which prohibits any nation from using force against another. The charter allows for only two exceptions to this rule: when force is required in self-defense (Article 51) or when the Security Council authorizes the use of force to protect international peace and security (Chapter VII).

[geeezzzberger]

because unlike everyone else YOU can see the future and would not do anything that some psycho could twist to their own selfish desires?

[THEREALimnotyou]

you give a madman a weapon while he uses them on one group of people, and think he wont use it elsewheres? doesnt take a psychic, just takes a non-moron

[geeezzzberger]

uh yeah - EVERY world leader since history began just kind of remained happy with their borders and NONE evolved from being reasonable to genocidal lol thanks for the lesson Neville.

[THEREALimnotyou]

your argument is that saddam was at one time reasonable? when was that? look not only do i not want to do this all night, i wont you defend anything america does, will justify and rationalize to the end of the world. i am ideologically against genocide, with you, it depends on who does it. i hope you someday see the light, but it wont be tonight i fear.

[geeezzzberger]

Call it what you want but it just doesn't meet the criteria of genocide. Nice talkin' to ya - link me and we can bs again sometime - it is nice to debate with an intelligent person

[THEREALimnotyou]

and from statements by State Department officials in Washington at the same time publicly disavowing any US security commitments to Kuwait but also from the success of both the Reagan and the Bush administrations in heading off attempts by the US Senate to impose sanctions on Iraq for previous breaches of international law

[THEREALimnotyou]

It seems far more likely that Saddam Hussein went ahead with the invasion because he believed the US would not react with anything more than verbal condemnation. That was an inference he could well have drawn from his meeting with US Ambassador April Glaspie on July 25,

[THEREALimnotyou]

But we have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border disagreement with Kuwait. I was in the American Embassy in Kuwait during the late '60s. The instruction we had during this period was that we should express no opinion on this issue and that the issue is not associated with America.

[THEREALimnotyou]

James Baker has directed our official spokesmen to emphasize this instruction. We hope you can solve this problem using any suitable methods via Klibi [Chadli Klibi, Secretary General of the Arab League] or via President Mubarak. All that we hope is that these issues are solved quickly

[geeezzzberger]

How about an answer? Someone breaks a law say "with the gun I gave him" then several years later starts shooting randomly in a crowd - leave him alone or take him down?

[geeezzzberger]

That is correct - ambassadors cannot comment of border disputes - standard policy

[THEREALimnotyou]

too funny, the saddest part is you believe your own sanctimonious bullshit. if someone else does it, it is wrong, if you do the same it is right. pathetic

[THEREALimnotyou]

i stood against saddam while the usa helped with the first genocide in iraq, and i stand against the neocon genocide in iraq. you are right, thats what a man would do. so why arent you?

[geeezzzberger]

because - I am a good person not a hypocritical liar - 'jes' sayin' lol

[THEREALimnotyou]

you realize you just answered "because-i am a good person" to the question why arent you standing against the neocon genocide.

[geeezzzberger]

bwahahaha - you get the point - hey tell me how you "stood against saddam while the usa helped..." and link me to all those - uh - what'd you say - tortures and genocide - who'd we gas and throw in wood chippers?

[THEREALimnotyou]

you do understand, that if you gave a gun to someone, knowing they would use it, and they killed someone with it, you would be an accomplice? if you need further explanation pick up a history book and look at the usa involvement in iraq before the gulf war. i personally dont have the time to teach you history. oh, and the freudian slip....i dont think it was one.

[geeezzzberger]

haha XD - you don't think it was one? You do realize . . . thanks for that though - funny you'd call me out and then do the same lol

I, unlike you do know the history and guess what? Not a single Canadian made a stink the whole while the Kurds were being gassed - so I know YOU didn't even have it on your radar. lol

[THEREALimnotyou]

you unlike i know the history do you? so you have been misleading and spinning the topic? you know who april gillespie is? how about donald rumsfeld? ronald reagan? how would you know if a single canadian did anything? fox news told you so? did you support reagan? i didnt. reagan supplied the materials.

[geeezzzberger]

Yeah - I supported Reagan while he was defending you and our friends in Canada. lol I also think the Iran, Iraq war helped bring the end of the Cold War . . . so . . . anyway, no one ever authorized Saddam to gas the Kurd villages - he did that on his own. Now there is blood on his hands and on those of his supporters. Are you saying that because he committed crimes against humanity before - he should have been allowed to continue? Great logic.

[THEREALimnotyou]

you defend canada? from who? who threatened canada? you better get on your knees and thank me for defending you. it doesnt matter that no one is attacking you, i want credit because i am aggressive and paranoid and built a huge army to protect myself...and no one else. by your argument, russia and china protects us from you. you are a fool, have fun being one

[geeezzzberger]

oh yeah . . . I forgot the Soviet Union and China didn't have nukes pointed at you roflmao - well, good luck with those delusions

[THEREALimnotyou]

do you understand what a hypocrite is? the last time i checked a dictionary, someone who is against one genocide, but agrees with another, would be a hypocrite. personally i have always been against all genocide, doesnt matter who is doing it. even if its bush and the usa govt

[geeezzzberger]

let me get this straight - removing a genocidal dictator despot and then trying to secure the peace is now called "genocide" lol - boy newspeak really has taken over

[THEREALimnotyou]

this will be my last response. you will continue to deny any culpability of the usa and the neocons. while patting your backs about how after building a dictator who killed his own people with your help, you are the heros for illegally invading and occupying a sovereign nation that couldnt defend itself because of 13 years of sanctions. everyone else is the bad guys for killing....all except you.

[geeezzzberger]

ok - you're off the hook - for future reference - it is "Glaspie"

good try though . . .

[THEREALimnotyou]

there must have been wmd's or else i got sucked in by bush...hahahahaha. anything to keep themselve from admitting they were lied into this illegal invasion. they found some 13 year old shells everyone forgot about which if it was thrown at you, would have done more damge than being exposed to its long expired contents. just be a man and admit you were fooled already. and fix your mistake.

[geeezzzberger]

great! then explode the shells in your backyard - no harm - no damage . . . right? lol

[THEREALimnotyou]

they wouldnt explode, they have a short shelf life. like i said, be a man and just admit you got fooled.

[geeezzzberger]

a "man" would stand up and take a genocidal despot out if he had a chance and support those who do

[THEREALimnotyou]

yeah, we tried when you neocons were shaking hands with the bastard. and now the usa has tortured more people, and killed more people than saddam had since the end of the first gulf war that a neocon named april gillespie gave saddam permission to start.

[johnnyboy6996]

what is a wmd

[sirinferno]

lol tard

[forwardmarch]

watch?v=EYI7JXGqd0o

Best video ever.

WMD lies straight from the horses' asses.

This is what the media isn't showing you. How "liberal" is this media? Hmmm.

[forwardmarch]

"We sent a copy of the video up the chain of command and never heard about it again."

From this, we must deduce that Bush's generals have a "liberal bias." ;-)

[Jonovak77]

never heard anything of it bc at the end they realize that their testers were coming up negative, see posts below.

[KrGsMrNKusinagi0]

The Iraqis were working to develop biological weapons using the poison ricin "right up until" the invasion in March. Officers in the Republican Guard, he said, told interrogators that they believed other guard units had biological or chemical weapons.

ISG report you should read it

[sirinferno]

it's all bollocks

[Jonovak77]

its a common mistake w/ the samplers, the first time i used one i thought i was safe, then re-read the directions to find that colorless for nerve means positive, luckily it was only a trainer kit, i wont make that mistake again. the nerve test seems counterintuitive b/c blood and blister agents show color when its a positive reading. i still say the guy in the last second of the tape caught his mistake upon re-reading the directions.

[Jonovak77]

heres a pic of an actual sampler, google "Figure 3. M256 Chemical Agent Detection Kit", click fig. 3 link.

[Jonovak77]

true about the electronics, that crossed my mind, but the sampler readings stand. That is a M256, theres no doubt, the A1 sampler was issued beginning in 1987, theres only one version, and any blue/green color that appears in the nerve box means negative. I'm a certified CBR-D Officer w/ MSC, its not just theory, thats how those testers work. The blue/green star in actuality is quite light, the film quality doesnt help, but its there.

[Jonovak77]

see for yourselves... google "Figure 8. M256 kit instructions" in parenthesis and click the second listing that says "fig8a.gif".

note the pic: top is safe, bottom is dangerous. notice where the blue reading is.

[SaintMark5]

The theory sounds good, but it doesn't explain the readings from the electronic detector. Also, the pic on the page you referred to had a green star above the detector point, indicating a safe reading. The video at 9:45 shows a white star printed. Maybe a difference in version...

[Jonovak77]

Hang on a sec... A blue signature in the far right window of the M256-A1 sampler indicates a NEGATIVE reading for nerve agent, COLORLESS is positive!!! The video shows blue on their kit, and right at the end, you hear a guy say "wait a minute, it says..." as he apparently started reading the directions printed above it. Kinda debunks the whole thing, dont it? I dont know whats worse, that they're joking about being exposed to a nerve agent, or that they cant read their own detector kits.

[airborneSGT]

I think its real. I was in Afghanistan and Iraq. The radio squelch sounds real to me. I was a radio man in both Afghanistan and Iraq.

[geeezzzberger]

Where the hell is the msm on this?

[BrainB16]

May I get a copy of this video (and any others of WMD's being found) to show others? My e-mail is brainb16 @ hotmail . com.

[praetorin]

Ummm first of all, why aren't any of you carrying a weapon? And only like 2 of you are wearing DCU's I seriously doubt this is real at all. Easily just a faked video. Prove me wrong.

If you are really out in the field then where is your M4 or M16.

[SaintMark5]

Good question, because you'd think, a Marine never goes anywhere without his rifle. Let me see if I can explain...

We were in a Light Armored Reconnaissance company, which uses LAV-25 vehicles everywhere we go. The command decision was made to drop us (scouts and some echelon staff) off a few hundred yards away, then the vehicles set up a perimeter guard.

[SaintMark5]

In order to lessen the amount of stuff to detox afterward, we also left our weapons in the vehicles. It was literally in the middle of nowhere, and the LAVs provided really long-range security, so there was no fear of being overrun with hajjis. As far as DCUs, I'm not sure of what you mean, unless you're referring to our radios, of which we only had a few because, just like every other unit who was there in the beginning, we just didn't get very much good equipment.

[SaintMark5]

You're very right, something like this could be fake, but I promise you it's not... all you have to do is look through the other videos of my time in Iraq under my channel to know it's all legit.

[praetorin]

Ok, you've explained the most of it. By DCU's i mean desert combat uniform. Thats what our unit calls them, anyways it might just be your chemical suit is the old camo style. Why would you call a cache of arty shells WMD'S, wouldn't an ICBM be more like a WMD. I just don't consider Arty rounds to be WMD'S.

[SaintMark5]

Yeah, we were just issued the green style MOPP gear. And yeah, arty shells aren't exactly "massively destructive." I don't pretend to be an expert on this shit, but finding nerve agents in them was certainly a red flag.

[BrainB16]

As an ammunition specialist, I can tell you that artillery shells can and have been used for aerial gas/liquid dispersal. Even though the effected radius is not as large as a rocket or missle warhead, only a few would be needed to cover the area of a small village. If the wind is blowing the "right" direction and speed, only one may be needed.

[BrainB16]

As far as the DCU question, only a few units were issued DCU MOPP gear at the start of the war. I am a combat veteran from an ordnance company. When we were first set to be deployed, only about 1/3rd of us were issued desert colored MOPP gear. Apparently, they wanted to use the green stuff up, first.

[surfacing3579]

just so you guys know... we sold saddam that shit way back when...

[SaintMark5]

no shit, but I find it kind of odd that they were labeled in Russian... not that we couldn't just fake that so we can blame the Russkies.

[swayne64]

You ought to send this to all the national news stations to prove once and for all that WMDs WERE FOUND IN IRAQ!!!

[SaintMark5]

Yeah, I'm kind of curious to see how long this stays posted before 1. It gets noticed by someone who feels it's worth promoting and airing on tv or something, or 2. the government men in black suits and sunglasses come knocking on my door to seize all copies than make me "disappear" forever.

[swayne64]

When was this taken?

[SaintMark5]

This was around June of 2003, only a few months after we first invaded.

I have a feeling that nothing will come of it though, since they already reported finding chem and bio weapons, but they were 20 years old and not the huge stockpiles we were expecting.