Bitter-sweet. Shame because i like Laak he's a great personality, but god i was so happy when that river card shut that bitch up. What is a great guy like Laak doing with a woman like Tilly anyway?
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i dont wanna be mean, but i loved it when laak lost. when he sucked out on the flop and went psycho that was just bad table etiquette. patrik deserved this hand. and btw tilly, fuck you.
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I don't understand pot limit, if the pot was 135,000, how come antonius could move all in with 230,000? As I said, i don't understand it, can someone explain plz?
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@c05541235 she was so crazy about this hand cuz I was underneath her and banging her. Then she told me she wasnt in the mood anymore and pushed me off of her :(
I find it rediculous how Laak and Tilly are celebrating when the jack hits. It's Patrik Antonius, pay your fucking respect. He didn't celebrate like a fucking idiot when he hits a king. Pro's should respect eachother and don't over celebrate when you bust someone out, especially with a suckout like J's versus K's.
@UndercoverLdn Dude, I don't think Laak is showing any disrespect to his friend at all. He already said, after hitting his set, "It's harsh on you if you don't hit your King." Laak is just an energetic fella that's all. To be honest, he's actually one of the most genuinely honest and nice pros around, I've never seen him play no tilt before. People have different personas on the table, Laak's just being himself. Tilly on the other hand,yeah, should have been more moderate in her celebrations.
@UndercoverLdn dude its Laak, he always does this. i think its kinda refreshing to see a professional who isnt afraid to let everyone know hes having a good time!
laak is an idiot,i swear idk how antonius didnt tell him to get the fuck off him,LMAO! HE DIDNT EVEN WIN AND EVERYONE BUT ANTONIUS WAS ACTIN LIKE HE HAD THE NUTS, THANK GOSD THAT KING CAME AND SHUT HIS ASS UP THANK GOD,
@DrROFLcopter1 o yea its so refreshing ritte? lol thats so stupid,maybe thats y antoniouus is ballin way harder than this laak fag, poker bout money,not havin a ball
@UndercoverLdn OK mister raincloud... havent you ever celebrated about winning a hand... Dont say no cuz you probably have at least once in a while. Its not disrespect celebrating a hand... that is if you celebrate the right way. Laak DIDNT overdue his celebration to make it disrespect.
Basically, think about it this way, what would happen if ALL 5 cards were flipped at the same time and shuffled, so that we wouldn't know the order in which they were dealt?
We wouldn't say "Oh he hit his set on the flop, but got sucked out on on the river".
What matters are the 5 cards which will come to the river.And after those 5 cards are dealt a 4 to 1 hand will win 4 out of 5 times.And it will sometimes be quads on the flop, only to lose to runner-runner better quads..
It wasn't really a "cooler" nor a suckout though.
Antonius was 4 to 1 favourite preflop.
That means that it doesn't matter what comes on the flop or turn, Antonius will win the pot 80 percent of the time if you run KK vs JJ a million times.
Sometimes Laak will hit quads on the flop, only to get outdrawn by better quads on the turn and on the river.
@bodyboarder79 I agree, but in real, he coul lose that hand :) It would be lucky, if he would win :o) Exploding here??? Why? :) Antonius just won, as he can preflop :D
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I don't think laak is a jerk and wouldn't even say I dislike him, but he is so goddam loud and such an annoying clown. I don't think he's that funny either and his stupid the only thing that matters is her tits girlfriend is about the most annoying fucking person I've ever seen on television
@skupernation You're nuts. Anyone who is part Chinese, part Native American, and part Irish is going to be at least an 8. Besides the fact that she was 50 years old when this video happened.
They actually aren't. A bad beat implies that the hand was better until the turn or usually until the river. A suckout is when you win with a hand that was a big underdog preflop.
From phil and patrik's perspective they were. They didn't know what cards the other players had so to them all other cards were possible on the river.
Its just a way of roughly calculating the percentages of hitting your cards. If the turn and the river are yet to be shown, you can multiply the number of outs by 4 to get a rough percentage of hitting your card on the next 2 cards. I read this in Harringtons book.
your formula is not correct. the actual percentage is 14% and not 12%!
can somebody post a formula that explains the 14%?
I personally have a better working formula than magiccolivier that is generally more correct - its the same one but "add 1%" to the result. So I calculated 13% chance. - but as its not complety true it would be nice if somebody can brign about a formula that explains 14%.
Dude. 14 percent is the exact percentage because the system calculates all odds including the other hole cards. If you are on the table, u wont know what other people hole cards are unlike on TV. Phil Laak calculation is a rough estimation and I've learn that it is actually a basis of poker. 6x2x1.
To formula to get the exact 14% is not one you can calculate in your head and for sure than tou cannot do when you're playing live poker, during the WSOP, etc.
The formula I gave is the most basic and useful one for calculating your outs and odds
Then, I don't think that a 1 or 2% difference is such a big deal... The formula is not about knowing exactly what is your percentage, but to have a global picture of your odds for making a call or not
after determining the number of outs, which in this case is 6 after the turn, times that number by 2, then add 2 and thats your percentage. im not sure the exact reason why u add 2 but it works. you'll never be more than 1% off from the actual percentage.
you calculate the number of outs you have and on the turn you multiply outs by 4 and that is a close number to the percent you have a chance to win. on the river you multiply by 2.
Agreed, very good actress... Donk poker player (YES I know she won a bracelet), but if you were to rate players by that regard, Jamie Gold would be considered the best ever.
i wonder if she sounds like that when laak's going all-in on her.
postflopper 1 month ago
i'd still fuck tilly sideways
siponnilola 3 months ago 2
They are sooo fucked on coke :D
MrJonnyboy36 5 months ago
Laaks personality is great.
ShatiWorks 5 months ago 2
i want his shirt
aaronh250 5 months ago
2:37 Patrik "Vye are you touchin me? "
Foreverguga1 5 months ago
Oh wait phil I think there was an ace in the middle.
Wait phil, why it's always ten thousand your way ?
piplol12345 5 months ago
Bitter-sweet. Shame because i like Laak he's a great personality, but god i was so happy when that river card shut that bitch up. What is a great guy like Laak doing with a woman like Tilly anyway?
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wish this wouldve happened to phil hellmuth!
IMKINDASHY611 7 months ago 3
@IMKINDASHY611 Phil wouldve folded those JJ preflop
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WillyMcWilliness 8 months ago
Why do you all hate Jennifer Tilly? Because it's Jennifer Tilly?
BenjaminFeest 9 months ago
I always like antonius behavior. Gentleman even he saw J on flop.
At the end justice done, the best hand wins
jerarbel 9 months ago
@jerarbel dude, he actually moved when the jack came out. he's usually a brick wall
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Bigbriansc 9 months ago
i dont wanna be mean, but i loved it when laak lost. when he sucked out on the flop and went psycho that was just bad table etiquette. patrik deserved this hand. and btw tilly, fuck you.
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i had her screaming yes yes yes lastnight too
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ComputerGeekoo 10 months ago
that will shut tilly up ! a K on the river - LMAO
jakeyb0i1 10 months ago
Tilly acts so retarded
aptand 11 months ago
2:47 háhá nice one patrik is the best
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johnsmith7490 11 months ago
Antonius is a gentleman.
PVFCFordy 1 year ago
it wasnt a cooler. the best hand won.
shroey20 1 year ago 2
@shroey20 14% after the flop... of course its a cooler
Incubated81 10 months ago
1:22 they are living in sin my friends!!!
speedball1919 1 year ago
wat a lucky man....
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NegreanuBoy87 1 year ago
HAHAHA
TomValedro 1 year ago
Jenny Tilly has a massive cucumber up her?
Harlingtonjnr3 1 year ago
patrick is probably like "dude, get the fuck off of me"
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slbobonis 1 year ago
0:50 : patrick you and me come on no okay i go okay let's go
LOL
pierinski 1 year ago
somebody put a penis in tilly's mouth and shut her up please! no disrespect Laak! haha
germanfritzler 1 year ago
Put that on petty cash!
thedreamdealer 1 year ago
IT IS A KING !!!
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seanFiction 1 year ago
This is what 12 percent feels like.
What a genius.
Master8laster 1 year ago
I don't understand pot limit, if the pot was 135,000, how come antonius could move all in with 230,000? As I said, i don't understand it, can someone explain plz?
taito79 1 year ago
@taito79
The maximum amount a player can raise is the amount in the pot after the call is made. Therefore, if a pot is $100, and someone makes a $50 bet, the next player can call $50 and raise the pot $200, for a total wager of $250.
purpleecstasy 1 year ago 6
@purpleecstasy ok I understand it now, thanks a lot! :D
taito79 1 year ago
Laak showed a lot of class right here definatly.
ShadowBoxer844 1 year ago 3
"Yes, Lon. Yes."
RussellsParadox 1 year ago 9
Sounds like Tilly hit something a lot better than an ace on the flop!
untwerf 1 year ago 2
why do people find tilly attractive? shes so fugly....
bamboo 1 year ago
@bamboo LOL she is NOT, she's HOT! with tig ol' bitties. you must be an uber fag!
pobox113 1 year ago
Lol, check up Laak's bodylangue and Patrik Antonius bodylangue, they are bit driffent
RsVoid 1 year ago
Did Tilly had an orgasm?
dziczki 1 year ago 2
i hate this cunting commentator every poker vid he is there trying his best to be funny nobody thinks ure funny fuck off and die you prick
4kingelle 1 year ago
@4kingelle i agree, but people think he's hilarious for some reason
SurvivingTheHorizon 1 year ago
@4kingelle personally i think the stuff he says is retarted! but that why its funny my friend. GO NORMMMMM! ha
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heavencito 1 year ago
I'll bet Tilly thought He had Pocket Kings!
Swartznoid 1 year ago 17
@Swartznoid ROFL
SuperIns0mnia 1 year ago
antonius is a rock.
orel0r 1 year ago
@c05541235 she was so crazy about this hand cuz I was underneath her and banging her. Then she told me she wasnt in the mood anymore and pushed me off of her :(
Deadganon 1 year ago
"yes lon yes" chad
after tilly keeps shouting lol
91Holdem 1 year ago
yes yes yes yes yes
3 WORDS
SHUT UP BITCH!!!!
janjin46 1 year ago
yes lon yes
deamacks 1 year ago
tilly has something against antonius, or for
strifed169 1 year ago
I find it rediculous how Laak and Tilly are celebrating when the jack hits. It's Patrik Antonius, pay your fucking respect. He didn't celebrate like a fucking idiot when he hits a king. Pro's should respect eachother and don't over celebrate when you bust someone out, especially with a suckout like J's versus K's.
UndercoverLdn 1 year ago
@UndercoverLdn Dude, I don't think Laak is showing any disrespect to his friend at all. He already said, after hitting his set, "It's harsh on you if you don't hit your King." Laak is just an energetic fella that's all. To be honest, he's actually one of the most genuinely honest and nice pros around, I've never seen him play no tilt before. People have different personas on the table, Laak's just being himself. Tilly on the other hand,yeah, should have been more moderate in her celebrations.
barttan 1 year ago
@UndercoverLdn dude its Laak, he always does this. i think its kinda refreshing to see a professional who isnt afraid to let everyone know hes having a good time!
DrROFLcopter1 1 year ago
laak is an idiot,i swear idk how antonius didnt tell him to get the fuck off him,LMAO! HE DIDNT EVEN WIN AND EVERYONE BUT ANTONIUS WAS ACTIN LIKE HE HAD THE NUTS, THANK GOSD THAT KING CAME AND SHUT HIS ASS UP THANK GOD,
myNAMEhighGUY 1 year ago
@DrROFLcopter1 o yea its so refreshing ritte? lol thats so stupid,maybe thats y antoniouus is ballin way harder than this laak fag, poker bout money,not havin a ball
myNAMEhighGUY 1 year ago
@DrROFLcopter1 i know thank you everyone is hating on him for having fun i luv phil laak favoirte poker player
revolutionist2008 1 year ago
@UndercoverLdn OK mister raincloud... havent you ever celebrated about winning a hand... Dont say no cuz you probably have at least once in a while. Its not disrespect celebrating a hand... that is if you celebrate the right way. Laak DIDNT overdue his celebration to make it disrespect.
Deadganon 1 year ago
@Deadganon
True, the only one who I thought was very disrespectful was Tilly.
UndercoverLdn 1 year ago
yes yes yes yes yes yes 2 minutes later no no no no no no no
casinohustler 1 year ago
still alive but crippled
dannyoo2 1 year ago
phil laak is crazy
Bell0my 1 year ago
1:34-1:41, is tilly having sex? hahahah
YES YES YES YES
604PENNYWISE 2 years ago 10
great pokerplayers dont loose their mood when loosing a big pot. phil is one of them. he lives this game with all ups and downs.
jensonlee74 2 years ago
FUCK YOU JENNIFER TILLY PSYCHO BITCH
doflegend291 2 years ago 57
Oh my...I like Jennifer Tilly.
SundiMundi 2 years ago
@doflegend291 ur a wetaaaad
limesoda23 6 months ago
Basically, think about it this way, what would happen if ALL 5 cards were flipped at the same time and shuffled, so that we wouldn't know the order in which they were dealt?
We wouldn't say "Oh he hit his set on the flop, but got sucked out on on the river".
What matters are the 5 cards which will come to the river.And after those 5 cards are dealt a 4 to 1 hand will win 4 out of 5 times.And it will sometimes be quads on the flop, only to lose to runner-runner better quads..
ModeLTU 2 years ago
Phil Laak is a gentleman here. He took that river cooler like a champ.
bodyboarder79 2 years ago 126
It wasn't really a "cooler" nor a suckout though.
Antonius was 4 to 1 favourite preflop.
That means that it doesn't matter what comes on the flop or turn, Antonius will win the pot 80 percent of the time if you run KK vs JJ a million times.
Sometimes Laak will hit quads on the flop, only to get outdrawn by better quads on the turn and on the river.
ModeLTU 2 years ago
@bodyboarder79 wtf? antonius had the better hand, and phil was just lucky on the flop...
wanttf 1 year ago
@bodyboarder79 I agree, but in real, he coul lose that hand :) It would be lucky, if he would win :o) Exploding here??? Why? :) Antonius just won, as he can preflop :D
DukeBalaor 8 months ago
haha
LeetCrime 2 years ago
jennifer has a HUGE BOOBS!!!
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pinafing07 2 years ago
Jacks are 4th best, AK suited is 5th
Ilikemustard 2 years ago
you're not right AK suited is 4th JJ is fifth
landreev 2 years ago
No.
Ilikemustard 2 years ago
Let me guess, you typed 'best hold em starting hands' into google and went to the first link?
That guy is a flip. He is choosing the top ten based on what he thinks, not what is mathematically correct.
Mathematically, JJ is a better starting hand than AKs.
If I was all in JJ vs your AKs than I am a 54% favourite to win.
Ilikemustard 2 years ago 2
i have WSOP 2008 on my ps2 and there is written that AK suited or big slick) is better
landreev 2 years ago
Well it isn't.
Ilikemustard 2 years ago 2
U are just retarded. Go google it fucking asshole
appppppa 2 years ago
ur a dumcunt its not ahead preflop
thugluvin69 2 years ago
ain't it 52% ?
jikke96 2 years ago
yes lon, yes
taito79 2 years ago 4
love phil laak
Rockleerenge 2 years ago 4
DAMN I HATE TILLY
jiffypoops 2 years ago 6
Wow. Tilly goes fucking crazy!
Dan742617000027 2 years ago 5
Tilly is disgusting
mt1221 2 years ago 5
I like Laak man, I think he's funny. Tilly is a real shit player though. She gets airtime for the titty.
ImperialUSA 2 years ago 12
lol yes yes yes.... fucking bitch
Nitioner 2 years ago 7
I don't think laak is a jerk and wouldn't even say I dislike him, but he is so goddam loud and such an annoying clown. I don't think he's that funny either and his stupid the only thing that matters is her tits girlfriend is about the most annoying fucking person I've ever seen on television
elcomedian66 2 years ago 3
tilly gets way to much screen time
hfontane 2 years ago 7
how sick was this final table. antonius, andy bloch, laak, nenad medic, mike sexton, kathy liebert. sick.
postflopper 2 years ago 3
norman chad is gay lol "my man is still alive" lol
t1o2m3a4s 2 years ago
whats with the rebate???
can someone explain please.
millsbucks 2 years ago
phil has patrick covered so he had to call his all in not putting all his stack in
h3ptagrama 2 years ago 2
Calling it a bad beat is bullshit. KK goes in way the fuck ahead so the jack put a bad beat on patrick, not the other way around.
thesickness101 2 years ago 5
big mouth...
BurnedFrets 2 years ago
SICK!!
zoolander260 2 years ago
I would like to see Tilly screaming "YES, YES, YES" in other place! -.-
nayoxz 2 years ago 103
@nayoxz I think many fellas share your thought, lol
Harppuunamies 1 year ago
@nayoxz jennifer tilly is not that attractive
skupernation 1 year ago
@skupernation You're nuts. Anyone who is part Chinese, part Native American, and part Irish is going to be at least an 8. Besides the fact that she was 50 years old when this video happened.
jesusthroughmary 1 year ago
@nayoxz HAHAHA
electro99daaze 1 year ago
@nayoxz Yeah, with antonius after that hand.
TomValedro 1 year ago
This wasn't a bad beat. When the money went in, KK was well ahead of JJ.
4JayeP 2 years ago 5
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it was a bad beat. it wasnt a suckout though.
fibe99999 2 years ago
A bad beat and a suckout are one in the same, amigo.
badbeers 2 years ago
They actually aren't. A bad beat implies that the hand was better until the turn or usually until the river. A suckout is when you win with a hand that was a big underdog preflop.
fibe99999 2 years ago 4
you guys are so mean Jenn Tilly was just excited. Jennifer is a sweet person and Phil is awesome. this was a bad beat though!
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betbackofthenet 2 years ago
Lol is Phil high?
AIDOZ 2 years ago 7
this is actually a pretty sick final table
wasy8 2 years ago 2
what is phil on i want some
Dadge42 2 years ago 6
i'd say a combination of the good stuff
Mugsi 2 years ago
that's poker baby!
tiamat87 2 years ago
respect for antonius
rommi27 2 years ago 4
Yes yes yes yes haha Jennifer is great...and hot :P
shariItachi 2 years ago 6
I like Patrik for never giving idiot reactions.
tozluhikaye 2 years ago 3
Patrik is definetly the motherfacking man (ejem...maya antonius.xD) and jennifer tilly the biggest bitch around the world
zimbreator 2 years ago 5
Im not good in english, sorry. But im good in Maths. I will try to explain.
Antonius had KK and Lakk had JJ.
In the table was 4 cards (A, J, 2, 10)
So, 8 cards was revealed. 44 left.
Antonius need one of 6 possible cards (4 Q, 2 K)
You want to know the percentage.
1st divide: 100% : 44 cards = 2.27(...)
Now multiply: 6 cards x 2.27 = 13.62
Thats 14 %
And that's correct
Slash93B 2 years ago 4
This calculation would be correct if all remaining 44 cards were open to use.
tozluhikaye 2 years ago
From phil and patrik's perspective they were. They didn't know what cards the other players had so to them all other cards were possible on the river.
NishidoKa 2 years ago
how does he need a 4 or 2??
moron much?
CCaldas89 2 years ago
I think he meant 4 Queens and 2 Kings
Anaxagoran 2 years ago
he doesn't need a 4 or a 2. i said that he needs one Q or one K. In the deck left 4 Queen and 2 Kings. I said that my english sucks.
Slash93B 2 years ago
Laak is fucking whacked out of his mind!
chrisbellender 2 years ago 3
2:12 wow. how did phil laak calculate 12 percent, which is really close to 14.
methmade 2 years ago
he did it by multiplying the number of outs that Antonious had by 2, there were 6 outs(4Q, 2K).
drbonzo 2 years ago
hmm, I know the outs thing. Antonious has 6 outs. But why multiply by 2?
methmade 2 years ago
Its just a way of roughly calculating the percentages of hitting your cards. If the turn and the river are yet to be shown, you can multiply the number of outs by 4 to get a rough percentage of hitting your card on the next 2 cards. I read this in Harringtons book.
drbonzo 2 years ago
Calculating your outs/odds and the percentage is the basis of poker...!!
If u don't know that, it might be complete freestyle when u play poker.
By the way, the formula is more than easy:
number of outs x 2 x number of cards to be dealt (turn and/or river)
Ex: you got up and down strgt draw, you got 8 outs : 8 x 2 x number of cards to be shown = 32% chance to hit your stgt on turn or river
or: 8 x 2 x 1 = 16% to hit strgt on river.
Here, Laak calculate 6 outs,
So 6 x 2 x 1 = 12%
magicolivier 2 years ago
Thanks for sharing dude.
methmade 2 years ago
your formula is not correct. the actual percentage is 14% and not 12%!
can somebody post a formula that explains the 14%?
I personally have a better working formula than magiccolivier that is generally more correct - its the same one but "add 1%" to the result. So I calculated 13% chance. - but as its not complety true it would be nice if somebody can brign about a formula that explains 14%.
talrushi 2 years ago
Dude. 14 percent is the exact percentage because the system calculates all odds including the other hole cards. If you are on the table, u wont know what other people hole cards are unlike on TV. Phil Laak calculation is a rough estimation and I've learn that it is actually a basis of poker. 6x2x1.
methmade 2 years ago
To formula to get the exact 14% is not one you can calculate in your head and for sure than tou cannot do when you're playing live poker, during the WSOP, etc.
The formula I gave is the most basic and useful one for calculating your outs and odds
Then, I don't think that a 1 or 2% difference is such a big deal... The formula is not about knowing exactly what is your percentage, but to have a global picture of your odds for making a call or not
magicolivier 2 years ago 2
after determining the number of outs, which in this case is 6 after the turn, times that number by 2, then add 2 and thats your percentage. im not sure the exact reason why u add 2 but it works. you'll never be more than 1% off from the actual percentage.
(# of outs x 2) + 2 = % of outs 12
(6 x 2) + 2 = 14 %
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Slash93B 2 years ago
its called the rule of 4 and 2
you calculate the number of outs you have and on the turn you multiply outs by 4 and that is a close number to the percent you have a chance to win. on the river you multiply by 2.
DropkickNH 2 years ago
Nice sense of humor by Laak!
neopoland171 2 years ago 2
YES! YES! YES! YES!
Shut the fuck up you donk. Hate that woman, hasnt got a clue what she's doing. Laak on the other hand is brilliant entertainment :)
dazzosheps 2 years ago 4
coked up!
XAXAXAXAXAXAXAXAXAXAXA
AGELOS5454 2 years ago
God I hate Tilly
zybron88 2 years ago
i don't like how laak played the river
jonsonn2 2 years ago 3
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t0n1g 2 years ago
rofl that bitch start saying yes to early.
ggnnoohhtt 2 years ago
a dirty bitch too
tibbsy1379 2 years ago 3
that guy folded queen 10 diamonds!
jadm7777777 2 years ago
who?
Nudlaufguss 2 years ago
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t0n1g 2 years ago
Look at PA composure, that's class.. Not like flack the clown.
guido1899 2 years ago 2
is laak girlfriend famous or something???
popeye135 2 years ago
jen tilly is an academy award nominated actress. pretty high profile in hollywood
moshumoshu 2 years ago
Agreed, very good actress... Donk poker player (YES I know she won a bracelet), but if you were to rate players by that regard, Jamie Gold would be considered the best ever.
beeryce88 2 years ago