With Or without craig in the band it will be an amazing band! A band is only as good as EVERYONE IN IT! And I trust the other members of chiodos have made a good decision on who will replace craig. Lets also pray that this does not blow up into another "Ronnie Radke vs. Craig Mabbit" battle or we are all fucked.
I say, just move on...Craig Owens can actually be with a band more suited for his talent and song style, chiodos was trying to mold Craig to how they are, but you can't do that to a strong willed person
are u kidding me buddy? if u replace a drummer or anyone in the band. the band will sound diffrent..... so obvi u have no idea what ur talking about if u even say that
@loliliketocomment just look at sum 41 loosing brownsound...right after that, they came out with underclass hero, sounded nothing the same, so you sir are correct
he dint "create them"...he dint write all the lyrics, or music sheets, he helped out, he was a member of a band...they kicked him out get over it fuck
Craig was pretty much what made Chiodos, Chiodos. You can't replace him. You can replace a guitarist and tell him to place whatever you want, same with a drummer or a bassist, but his voice, and his lyrics..it made the band great, he was the leader.
@sbdkilla ok i literally just came back from a chiodos concert in cleveland, the new guy sounded EXACTLY the same if not better than craig. his screams were DEFINALTY better. and craig wasnt the only one writing lyrics. the lead singer doesnt always write lyrics. im the guitarist in my band and ive written all the lyrics we have so far
i will always love craig i just hope the band will relize how much they need him this song gives me goose bumps any who i will always love chiodos no mater what
Chiodos really fucked up when they kicked craig.. You cant kick the person who makes the band. His voice is what separated and what made chiodos better than any other band. Craig's singing mixed with the rest of chiodos was the perfect combination. Its truely a shame and I wish craig and whats left of chiodos the best with whatever they may do in the future.
I remember seeing them back in 2002 when they were still The chiodos Bros, I was instantly taken in by their music and followed them since then, from their first year to search and rescue records all the way until today, I consider the band dead now that Craig is gone but I hope the rest of the guys the best.
I remember seeing them back in 2002 when they were still The chiodos Bros, I was instantly taken in by their music and followed them since then, from their first year to search and rescue records all the way until today, I consider the band dead now that Craig is gone but I hope the rest of the guys the best.
This almost made me cry. At least hes not dead thats what i thought when my brother first told me something bad happened to Craig and the rest of Chiodos. it doesnt seem sad as I write it but believe me, it was hard. Craig has just made Everything great for everyone. Good luck to him. Thx Craig
i rather have a band end knowing they were amazing then a band being staying together and slowly sucking and people losing interest. Craig's lagacy >:O
This is the first time in awhile that I've listened to Chiodos... it's depressing. All my friends make fun of me but I'm serious, it was one of the saddest days of my life when I found out about Craig =/ Good luck Craig I love you!
I Really Wish The Best For Craig ... I Was Lucky Enough To Know Him Through Middle School and He is Seriously Amazing. He Was Beyond Talented Way Back Then Too ... I Just Never Knew He Could Sing. He Seriously Made School Hilarious. Best Wishes To The Rest of The Guys Too ... Dirty D Alumni! Woo!
Well, most people on here do seem pretty young. It must be a trend thing. But it's kind of scary in a way because there are like 8 year olds on youtube.
at the end...the waving goodbye in the mirror........i just think of craig and thats like me waving goodbye to craig from the band. Chiodos willl never be the same and letting go of Craig was a huge mistake. All i can say is they better come back together one day
Derrick has a wife and decided to be with her and plus the band just had problem with his "Mood" compared to theirs. He left in May. Craig was officially let go due to MAJOR issues that they couldn't get him over. The four guy left have decided that they needed a new start and i will follow them and i hope you do too. I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST CRAIG OWENS OR DERRICK FROST... I LOVE THIS VIDEO. I realize now that my statement was misunderstood
ha i wouldnt judge those ppl who cut cuz its there life and you shouldnt tell them what they cant do or can do. i think cutting is wrong and would never do it. TWLOHA <3
yeah, check my channel. i have two crappy "a letter from janelle's" because my camera kept dying. i got a minute and a half of him playing baby you wouldnt last a minute on the creek when i was RIGHT next to him on the front of the stage.
I love my life at this point because I finally found this cd at a record alley. It was used but the cds are in a perfect state. I explode just by hearing his voice........:*)
Omk Ppl Jusdt The Fuck Up About Him Needign To Grow A Pair Of Balls Yha He Might Be Hidding That Hes Gay But That Dosent Concerne Us And Fuck He Has The Most Beautiful Voice In The God Damn World Soo Shut Up About All Of That Stupid Shit
wats your prob against avenged sevenfold???? they r like the shit!?!?!?!?! he sounds like a chick AND he can't scream, but his voice is VERY pretty and good, i like the tune to this song, but seriously wats your deal?
well you see you can just chill and listen to craig owens however with a7x you feel like you got to jump up and beat your dog but for the record they do have some ok songs
240p? its like fucking 8-bit...
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blackxwingz 2 months ago
My girlfriend is named Lindsay :D
TheBuzdog 6 months ago
this is so sad to watch
SecondVision10 8 months ago
Thumbs up if there was one person on your mind the whole time you were listening to this :'( I know I did.......
dannijulio 8 months ago
so sad... :(
rainwhitefang 8 months ago
Is this a real dvd?
AttACkiiVORy 1 year ago
i miss craig.
GiZzGORE 1 year ago
WE LOVE CRAIG :)
21alexp 1 year ago 3
this... just makes me cry..
Craig.. :(
NarutoFireFly 1 year ago 6
Why did they kick out Craig????? What was the reason?
JesusFreak532 1 year ago
@JesusFreak532 craig had so many side projects and everything was getting crazy so they just kicked him. it was a fucking huge mistake
zacharylongston199 1 year ago
@zacharylongston199 BIG mistake.
JesusFreak532 1 year ago
he helped produce the new cd for the band these hearts from fargo north dakota. so hes doing pretty good
noCLOSURE4darkness 1 year ago
Man...i can't stand how talented the keyboardist is.. it's amazing how Craig and him always make masterpieces together. Craig will be missed.
DanceGDance 1 year ago
This always makes me cry. I want this band back.
ChelseaChiodos 1 year ago 2
With Or without craig in the band it will be an amazing band! A band is only as good as EVERYONE IN IT! And I trust the other members of chiodos have made a good decision on who will replace craig. Lets also pray that this does not blow up into another "Ronnie Radke vs. Craig Mabbit" battle or we are all fucked.
Maako17 1 year ago
He has a Solo album out though.
bloomxcore 1 year ago
i really miss craig
this used to be my fav band
and i cried when i found out htey kicked him out
he was amazimg
his voic is just awesome
wihtout him it will never be the same
sqishydancer29 1 year ago
what happened to crag?
snookion899 1 year ago
This made me sad :/
Ughh Craig Owens is awesome with Chiodos or not!
NeverrShoutDesi 1 year ago
i have no idea why, but this video inspires me soo much. makes me feel like i can do anything i set my mind to :)
i love chiodos regardless of lineup changes etc because they still made amazing music & memories and thats all that truely matters <3
timetraveler190 1 year ago
I say, just move on...Craig Owens can actually be with a band more suited for his talent and song style, chiodos was trying to mold Craig to how they are, but you can't do that to a strong willed person
sinfulscreamer 1 year ago
i still don't get why they got rid of Craig...
roxygirl402 1 year ago
are u kidding me buddy? if u replace a drummer or anyone in the band. the band will sound diffrent..... so obvi u have no idea what ur talking about if u even say that
loliliketocomment 1 year ago
@loliliketocomment just look at sum 41 loosing brownsound...right after that, they came out with underclass hero, sounded nothing the same, so you sir are correct
cky2793 1 year ago
he dint "create them"...he dint write all the lyrics, or music sheets, he helped out, he was a member of a band...they kicked him out get over it fuck
loliliketocomment 2 years ago
@loliliketocomment
Craig was pretty much what made Chiodos, Chiodos. You can't replace him. You can replace a guitarist and tell him to place whatever you want, same with a drummer or a bassist, but his voice, and his lyrics..it made the band great, he was the leader.
sbdkilla 1 year ago
@sbdkilla ok i literally just came back from a chiodos concert in cleveland, the new guy sounded EXACTLY the same if not better than craig. his screams were DEFINALTY better. and craig wasnt the only one writing lyrics. the lead singer doesnt always write lyrics. im the guitarist in my band and ive written all the lyrics we have so far
againstallpractices 1 year ago
@againstallpractices well its not gonna be the same because Craig Owens is MuthaFawkin Craig Owens!! :/
NeverrShoutDesi 1 year ago
0:31 did he say ryan bueller?
kade56 2 years ago
@kade56
Brian Bueller.
SUBDUCTIONxZERO 2 years ago
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the lyrics are really gay and cheezy .
mcr08901 2 years ago
@mcr08901 trueeee
batmbile 2 years ago
i think that chiodos should get rody walker =P
but serioiusly the only reason i liked chiodos was cause of craig... i dislike remenessing about how amazing it was
ShmahoogaleMusicProj 2 years ago 2
They have Brandon Bolmer now
maxxm123 1 year ago
I dislike how every youtube comment on videos I watch have horrible spelling
haha just messing.
but yeah that'd be like led zeppelin kicking out john bonham :P stupid chiodos :/
braedonizzle1 1 year ago
Favorite song<3 Gonna miss craig. ): What a shame.
killcheyennedead01 2 years ago
hmm this is exactly how escape the fate mmesed up. kicking out the person that created them in the first place
McrLuverDynamite 2 years ago 2
@McrLuverDynamite exactly
Airsofta17 2 years ago
they wont ever be the same withouth craig, his voice made the difference. a really talented singer...the best in my opinion.
sarinaliar 2 years ago
to bad anthony green blows him out of the park
AKCA49 2 years ago
@AKCA49 i totally agree although i like both of their voices
m1r4nd4lynn 2 years ago
i will always love craig i just hope the band will relize how much they need him this song gives me goose bumps any who i will always love chiodos no mater what
STFUN008 2 years ago
Chiodos really fucked up when they kicked craig.. You cant kick the person who makes the band. His voice is what separated and what made chiodos better than any other band. Craig's singing mixed with the rest of chiodos was the perfect combination. Its truely a shame and I wish craig and whats left of chiodos the best with whatever they may do in the future.
snowboardPRO62 2 years ago
he's adorable.
popsiclepaige 2 years ago
Craig D:
spritendrpepper 2 years ago
Shudnt of kicked Craig.
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I remember seeing them back in 2002 when they were still The chiodos Bros, I was instantly taken in by their music and followed them since then, from their first year to search and rescue records all the way until today, I consider the band dead now that Craig is gone but I hope the rest of the guys the best.
thispentalks 2 years ago
I remember seeing them back in 2002 when they were still The chiodos Bros, I was instantly taken in by their music and followed them since then, from their first year to search and rescue records all the way until today, I consider the band dead now that Craig is gone but I hope the rest of the guys the best.
thispentalks 2 years ago 3
this makes my cry.
ugh it hurts.
sarahlush07 2 years ago
This almost made me cry. At least hes not dead thats what i thought when my brother first told me something bad happened to Craig and the rest of Chiodos. it doesnt seem sad as I write it but believe me, it was hard. Craig has just made Everything great for everyone. Good luck to him. Thx Craig
ThatsKoolCrew 2 years ago
i rather have a band end knowing they were amazing then a band being staying together and slowly sucking and people losing interest. Craig's lagacy >:O
itachikillz 2 years ago
this is sad, being that this is no longer...=[[ bring him back chiodos! =[[
Sinaka92 2 years ago
actually never mind but it was the same set up just 3 years later=P
reesespieces976 2 years ago
This is the first time in awhile that I've listened to Chiodos... it's depressing. All my friends make fun of me but I'm serious, it was one of the saddest days of my life when I found out about Craig =/ Good luck Craig I love you!
ninjakz2 2 years ago 3
SAD VIDEO
mrsadboix3 2 years ago
Im gonna miss this band. With out craig it will never be the same. I wave my goodbyes to craig and hope the best for him
rockerpep4188 2 years ago 49
what do you mean
breakingbenhitsugaya 2 years ago
It was a depressing day when i heard they dropped him
AdamAddiction09 2 years ago
@rockerpep4188 listen to D.R.U.G.S. he lives onnnnn lol
banderse 1 year ago 6
I Really Wish The Best For Craig ... I Was Lucky Enough To Know Him Through Middle School and He is Seriously Amazing. He Was Beyond Talented Way Back Then Too ... I Just Never Knew He Could Sing. He Seriously Made School Hilarious. Best Wishes To The Rest of The Guys Too ... Dirty D Alumni! Woo!
EmmyJane83 2 years ago 4
you and craig became classmates? ;O
tezzaism 2 years ago
We were in some classes together through middle school ... he's awesome.
EmmyJane83 2 years ago
First of all if you smoke weed, you can't sing that high because your lungs would be full of smoke. OneTuffCookiee, I'm thinking you smoke weed!
iclesnowpop 2 years ago
Hahaa (:
Nope.
I'm a child.
I dont know what im talking about so dont listen to me (:
im just a crazy liddo girl.
i have nothing against this band. and craig is hot so dont think i hate him (:
OneTuffCookiee 2 years ago
Well, most people on here do seem pretty young. It must be a trend thing. But it's kind of scary in a way because there are like 8 year olds on youtube.
iclesnowpop 2 years ago
at the end...the waving goodbye in the mirror........i just think of craig and thats like me waving goodbye to craig from the band. Chiodos willl never be the same and letting go of Craig was a huge mistake. All i can say is they better come back together one day
sabrefreak30 2 years ago
...all good things come to an end.
JCRoadie 2 years ago
:[ This makes me sad now
damnitsashlee 2 years ago
im pretty sure derrick left before warped tour.
dukesucksballs 2 years ago
:[ depressing.
justjoshin2 2 years ago
Craig got kicked out because he was smoking weeed.
OneTuffCookiee 2 years ago
who told u thats
babyfat96 2 years ago
WRONG! I know them and it was far worse than weed.
JCRoadie 2 years ago
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JCRoadie 2 years ago
Now that Derrick and Craig are gone... I am going to enjoy this video.
JCRoadie 2 years ago
When the fuck did Derrick and Craig leave??
killabeezJO 2 years ago
i really wonna know why the fuck the left!??
Down4Beats 2 years ago
they didn't leave they both were let go
XXmyheroinexX 2 years ago
well y did they let them go?
Down4Beats 2 years ago
Derrick has a wife and decided to be with her and plus the band just had problem with his "Mood" compared to theirs. He left in May. Craig was officially let go due to MAJOR issues that they couldn't get him over. The four guy left have decided that they needed a new start and i will follow them and i hope you do too. I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST CRAIG OWENS OR DERRICK FROST... I LOVE THIS VIDEO. I realize now that my statement was misunderstood
JCRoadie 2 years ago
I'm reading some other comments and I'm assuming that major issue is smoking pot?
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I FUCKIN LOVE THIS SONG
lunchbox2ill 2 years ago
This made me sad. Awesome, slow music and slow motion video makes me depressed. In a good way...if their is one.
SikeGhostvale 2 years ago 2
i know the girl they named the song after.
SOAD525 2 years ago
Lindsay?
Just a possibility
ATVcRaZy369 2 years ago
i do
SOAD525 2 years ago
i live in michigan and my old baby sitter name lindsay told me at my brothers open house they had a inside joke.
i havent seen her in a while but i dont think she would lie
SOAD525 2 years ago
Ask chiodos, hah. Don't trust what someone tells you, unless it's them, duhhh.
& caring about who the songs about is so 12 years old, lol. No offense, just is.
PandaFacelovesyou 2 years ago
wow
SOAD525 2 years ago
Agreed. lol
702homie 2 years ago
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of course you do
gamerman124 2 years ago
does ANYONE out there know how to get this version???
dude i met craig this weekend. he is sooo cool.
jpien 2 years ago
I have this version on my ipod, but I don't know how to get it other than that. I LOVE this song tho.
jmijackson2020 2 years ago
yeah i heard this version first. so i like it wayy better. can u somehow send it to me maybe?
jpien 2 years ago
Well, my brother put it on my ipod for me. I have no clue how to work the darn thing, lol.
jmijackson2020 2 years ago
haha alright. well thanks anyway.
jpien 2 years ago
You need the deluxe cd, you can find it on the equalvision site.
Idontgiveafdotcom 2 years ago
thanks!
jpien 2 years ago
torrent bitch!
SOAD525 2 years ago
Then two years later you try to kill yourself. Shame shame. I assume a Xanax coma to be a rather chill one
enjoivolcom2 2 years ago
the original version of this song is so much more raw and a little more enjoyable, find the ep called "the best way to ruin your life."
thispentalks 2 years ago
does anyone know what kind of mic they're using?
kickasswhiteboyz 2 years ago
dont know but its amazing :)
emopolkadot99 2 years ago
original version's better.
safetosaydontquoteme 2 years ago
nah, this ones a lot better.
jtoepfer24 2 years ago
To my ex boyfriend ):
nikigore666 2 years ago
watch?v=HMXLTkTF9lQ
dblink182v 2 years ago
this is completely amazing.
<3
jennylynnxxx 2 years ago
His voice is super awesum!:)
This is a kute song(:
reTRoGLAMo23 2 years ago
his voice is completlly amazing,
and hes so goodloooking hah.
kaylapwnzz 2 years ago
amazing voice.......... just like mine... kidding
enzym13 2 years ago
it's pronounced "Chee-Oh-Dose" NOT "Key-Oh-Dose" or "Ch-I-Oh-Dose" or Cheetos lol
Sephitachi123 2 years ago 9
lol whenever people ask me what my favorite band is im like, chiodos, and theyre like cheetos!?!? what?!?!?!! ahahah
chloe272 2 years ago 3
ahaha omg!! ur totally correct people always say that. the Key-oh-Dose one anooyysss mee!!!!!!!!!!
ThatMusicChick 2 years ago
its okay i didnt no how to say it either just type in chiodos interview click the first 1 and they say it
tdwpfan100 2 years ago
absolutley wonderful! i feel moved when i listen to this!
new to chiodos, wondering how you pronounce their name?? help!!
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BootersLyrics 2 years ago
This song reminds me of my Current Girlfriend, but theres a problem. It has my Ex's Name in it..
RevivalXMatt 2 years ago
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WonderxPets 2 years ago
such a great song.
dkgourd 2 years ago 2
i lve tis song <3
anitaxbelen 2 years ago
lovely
<3
celticprincess01 2 years ago 3
somebody should post queen of diamonds thing from the dvd on youtube i cant find it
atruprince17 2 years ago
love you! <3
enjoi4life411 2 years ago
Hah. My name is Lindsay <3
I LOVE YOU CRAIG.
CHIODOS IS LIFE. <333333333
I love you all.
LindsayAndBecca 2 years ago
the funny thing is that my dogs name is also lindsay :3
AvarageAmerican 2 years ago
Hahaha... thats not good :P
BnRpro 2 years ago
hahah sweeeet :] I love Chiodos. That dog has a coooool name. pffft :]
LindsayAndBecca 2 years ago 3
i like the acoustic version so much better. but this song is still amazing
kjandharrison 2 years ago
No, no one should ever cut.
Loving yourself first is the only way to learn to love the world. The world needs a little more love. <3 :]
shadowxxxremnants 2 years ago 8
Nat rly
ReaganAndSandra 2 years ago
this song is my life story.
njboi94 2 years ago
its most of the peoples story.
AvarageAmerican 2 years ago
ha i wouldnt judge those ppl who cut cuz its there life and you shouldnt tell them what they cant do or can do. i think cutting is wrong and would never do it. TWLOHA <3
rawrtwatfuck 2 years ago 6
Eh. Cutting is just like cocaine, heroine, etc. Releases chemicals to your brain that give you a 'high' sensation.
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People that cut themselves are fucking cunts.
SandraVegaaa 2 years ago
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imagine a huge walking vagina
AvarageAmerican 2 years ago
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sandravegaaa-
if thats so then what does that make you?, a person who puts others down for no reason.
you think cutting is stupid, that is your opinion and no one can say otherwise.
but acting like you opinion is a fact is just ignorence
jonomocookie 2 years ago
u.u this song is sad =/
I love it!
ScarleTHx09 2 years ago
beautiful song.
<3
TanTan5500 2 years ago
wtf? you cut your wrists?!
why you silly cunt!
get a grip
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2.say a name of someone u like.
3.that person will ask u out or say they love u tomarrow.
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M0NK3YB4LLB0I 2 years ago
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this song made me cut my rrists =[
strfire75 2 years ago
haha stupid fucking emo suck it up
pbgeegee 2 years ago
leave him alone cutting releases a hormone that makes your body feel good(i dont do it btw)
ErickandMiguelTV 2 years ago
is that your reason it makes you feal good SUCK IT UP life can be hard
pbgeegee 2 years ago
i said in the comment that i dont do it you tard
ErickandMiguelTV 2 years ago
wow. wait till you have real troubles in your life fucker.
MesocycloneEvo 2 years ago
so getting beat as a child does not count im guessing???im not gunna be weak and cutt myself
pbgeegee 2 years ago
Why?
FindTheForest 2 years ago
this song actually made me cry
kflipbdon 2 years ago
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i seriously thought that song sucked, and the lyrics where not even creative at all.
supermaques 2 years ago
I bought that album, and I watched the video that came with it. And when off stage or out of session, they have a great sense of humor.XD
jriveraiv 2 years ago
seriously think of it like this clearly the band doesnt give a fuck that he is gay or whatever so neither should fucking you
Kouterry 2 years ago
he isent gay but good point
pbgeegee 2 years ago
Jesus fuck i'm sick of people. IT'S CHIODOS. NOT Craig Owens!!
TitsMcAssh0le 2 years ago 5
craig owens is the pickle to my pickle juice... //sigh :S
lOVESKULLX 2 years ago
I got to be on stage with him last night!
AntiGraceProduction 2 years ago 3
sweet
do you have any vids?
barws 2 years ago
yeah, check my channel. i have two crappy "a letter from janelle's" because my camera kept dying. i got a minute and a half of him playing baby you wouldnt last a minute on the creek when i was RIGHT next to him on the front of the stage.
AntiGraceProduction 2 years ago
I love my life at this point because I finally found this cd at a record alley. It was used but the cds are in a perfect state. I explode just by hearing his voice........:*)
xXFFTLChiodos4everXx 2 years ago
Arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics.... Even if you win, your still retarded =/
Rocker000911 3 years ago
no, you learn stuff by seeing other people's points of view.
asicstitan 3 years ago
SCREW U! i'm PISSED!!!!!!!!!
deathforavengeance 2 years ago
Omk Ppl Jusdt The Fuck Up About Him Needign To Grow A Pair Of Balls Yha He Might Be Hidding That Hes Gay But That Dosent Concerne Us And Fuck He Has The Most Beautiful Voice In The God Damn World Soo Shut Up About All Of That Stupid Shit
PrincessKikiBrutal33 3 years ago 2
Why do you write every word with a capital letter in your sentences?
albadow 3 years ago 3
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wow their singer needs to grow a pair and i dont know... quit pretending to be straight... bad singer in general
A7XBS 3 years ago
are you serious? you listen to a7x and you judge chiodos? i just threw up in my mouth.
asicstitan 3 years ago 2
wats your prob against avenged sevenfold???? they r like the shit!?!?!?!?! he sounds like a chick AND he can't scream, but his voice is VERY pretty and good, i like the tune to this song, but seriously wats your deal?
deathforavengeance 3 years ago
well you see you can just chill and listen to craig owens however with a7x you feel like you got to jump up and beat your dog but for the record they do have some ok songs
thetake0125 3 years ago
a7x is ok from a simply hardcore standpoint but,
A: i am a musician and i study music,
B: this is a chiodos video and he's hatin with a7x in his name.
compared to chiodos, a7x is genaric and pretty sloppy live from some stuff i've seen.
i like both bands but i also like random arguments.
asicstitan 3 years ago