What the hell is with these dreamers. Some of you must be delusional. I know you read in each review how the Camaros IRS didn't pull as high of G force in lateral acceleration then the Mustang. The 5.0's live axle out handled the SS, and the Boss 302 out handled the ZL1. The ZL1 beat the Boss on the track because it had 140 more hp. Currently, no Camaro out handles any mustang in the same class.
Hitler and Henry Ford were best friends. Wow what a History buff you are. Could you tell me if Walter P Chrysler and Benito Mussolini were best friends too.
@Greendude33. Are you kidding me. Your vortec motors burn oil like a oil rig on fire and need the top ends rebuilt at 25k miles. Your new camaros are nothing but electrical nightmares and catching fire which GM has had problems with since they have been in buisness and look like a pontiac solstice stretched out 8ft. The standard gt smokes the SS in every single performance category and proven.
@rickzmustang That's a bullshit lie care to cite your assertions using credible 3rd party sources? All American trucks are good but Silverado's have been known to last longer than F Series trucks. Ha 25K miles bullshit.
Ford is only lucky the Camaro was rushed out using a sedan chassis. The ZL1 will have the proper chassis tech to still beat the new GT500 and the 3300lb Alpha chassis Camaros of the 2014 model year with C7 tech will murder the Stang.
I haven't been so cracked up by one of these Hitler videos in such a long time, I'd almost given up on them. But you, sir, had me laughing the whole time. Bravo.
I am sure the Germans of all people are not stupid enough to believe that a HP bump alone makes a car faster... Hitler would still prefer a ZL1 b/c it would make the GT500 look like a joke at his Nurburgring.
PS Ford fan boys the Camaro is getting the Alpha chassis in 2014 models which weighs under 3400lbs with an advanced IRS. It will only get worse for Stang fanboys when the alpha Camaro's get parts from the new C7 Corvette like new dual clutch 7 speed transmission to put the power down.
@Greendude33 Wake up Alice, this aint Wonderland. And you Chevy clown boys and the ZL1 chief engineer better pray the ZL1 is faster than the 2013 GT500 on a road course after that pathetic letter he wrote. I would have fired him for that alone. Putting hypereutectic pistons in a blown engine is just dumbo or is it cheap. You Gm clown boys can thank unions for them shitty cast pistons when they start blwing up engines at the track. Ford's been whoopin GM for 10 years little boy.
the ZL1 is a boat trying to race on land. I would rather have a car hundreds of pounds lighter then a car with the ZL1s IRS. If you haven't seen the '13 GT500 video on the 'ring you should watch it, its extremely smooth going through corners. GT500 not only has the performance but the heritage to match.
@3NOSHITSHERLOCK3 My buddies 03 CObra and a solid axle ran a lot better than my 03 with the IRS. I am glad the GT500 has a solid axle. We are muscle car fans. Funny when GM clown boys had the LS1 to the 4.6 32V NA Cobra they said there was no replacement for displacement. Now all GM talks about is handling. You'll never see NASCAR with an IRS.
the zl1 was tuned on the track. the gt500 was tuned for... well... idk what its for. You get more hp, top speed, and acceleration, but no where to use it. the zl1 has a high tech suspension and the gt500 still has a solid rear axle. The nurburgring time for the zl1 was released and the gt500s....wasnt. Theres only a few good reasons for that.
@nafoonthebaboon Really. Like For dholding back the power numbers for the 2013 GT500 and popped GM's cherry? It's going otbe hillarious when the GT500 whoops the ZL1 on a raod course. We know the butt raping the GT500 will do to a ZL1 on a drag strip. The place where ALL muscle car fans care about. 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 percent of muscle car owners will never put their car on a raod course.
@kb2010gt500 judging by the education level of mustang fans, i can see why ford stretches their numbers... You really have no idea what you are talking about. no one is ever going to take you seriously (let alone hold back their laughs at your stupidity) if you cant even type a comment on youtube. go home, and enjoy your mustang. Looks are purely opinion, but the camaro looks better, too. just ask anyone what would be cooler to see on the road: a mustang or a camaro? camaro. simple.
@rotaryjunkie GM has held an overprotective stance about vette 0-60/1/4 mile #'s for some time and alot of people NEVER aspire to own one. An LS7 is a proper high rev track motor whose ci matches camaros weight. A 3,900lb LS7 camaro is hardly causing a vette an image prob. how is an LS7 more expensive than an LSAw blower complexities?? LS9 ZL1 w MORE boost than a ZR1 would be GT500s match and still underperform the 900lb lighter ZR1
@05EVORS I agree with this statement... They should have just gotten over it and dropped an LS9 in the ZL1... It would still be way slower than the ZR1 and wouldn't steal its thunder in any way really.
@05EVORS I completely agree. The LS7 is a $14k engine while the LSA is around $20k (crate prices). The LS7 is also lighter than the LSA. Either way, for the ZL1, the LS9 would have been a better way to go. The GT500 has a much bigger blower, more like the LS9's. And it would not step on the ZL1's toes as the ZL1 will kill it on a track no matter what. Besides, the Corvette is getting replaced soon. Hopefully they drop the LS9 in in a a year or two.
I would nuke the zl1 if I were gm. Form didn't take a decade off from the sport coupe, and it shows in their constant ass kicking of the camaro. I am a huge camaro fan saying this.
yep.....shoulda badged it(upcoming zl1) Z28 and brought out the LS9 for the ZL1(no mag suspension) ....ZL1 should be a straight-up drag car and mag ride for Z28/boss 302 segment. Z28 coulda had NA LS7 for $46k (skip LSA altogether)
@05EVORS Or a hopped up high rpm 5.3 to be a better match for the Ford 5.0. I'm not saying the LS7 is bad don't get me wrong, a "big block" just seems wrong in a car that handles to me.
@Tcatracing Yes I know, they are all part of the LS engine family. I put big block in quotation marks because the LS7 is the classic 427 Big Block displacement. The 5.3 truck motor is heavier because it has an iron block but they make an aluminum crate motor don't they?
@05EVORS LS7 is very likely much more expensive to produce than the LSA.
A detuned version of it would also be very close to pointless considering there's only an 80hp difference between the LS3 and the LS7... Going blown is the only way to make something that doesn't step on the ZR1's toes too much without being seen as pointless by the consumer.
@kb2010gt500 svt head has already said it finish the 1320 in 3rd gear! doesnt matter what you think it will do you didnt build or have any input on the 13
@Jayturbo71 sounds like your gt500 is a "lemon"... Thats sucks but hey from what you claim on youtube, just sell it and get the 2013... Looks like you do pretty well for yourself and you can probrably afford it.
GM fan boys have been posting for months how they "know the ZL1" will be faster. Ford releases the 2013 GT500 right after GM releases the numbers on the ZL1 and the stallion stomps a mud puddle in the ZL1's ass and walks it dry.
It is even going to be worse after the ZL1's chief engineer sends out that white flag of a letter boasting that the ZL1 will be faster on a road course. No it won't. Its gonna be bad for GM in the coming months. Jest like their idiot CEO Barack Odumbo. Ass clowns.
@AnimepimpYT They were loaned money years ago, sonny. They never went bankrupt or got a bailout. And no, I w ill not keep the politics out of it. Barack Odumbo put the politics in it. Their former loud mouth CEO Whitaker put politics in it when he said "GM put THEIR money where their mouths were" whne they were bailed out and then lied about paying back the bailout money. GM is still in trouble because they did nuthin to change what bankrupted them
Pretty fitting video considering GM's CEO is Barack Odumbo the socialist. They have 2-3 years before they are either out of business or they end up a division of Toyota.
I thank GM for bringing back the camaro because it has pushed Ford to make kick-ass cars. Unfortunately for GM the mustang just keeps getting better and after this monster is done, the mustang will be on a smaller, lighter more european sized chassis. Weight is the key for real performance and ford is figuring that out while Gm makes their camaro a truck
@Jayturbo71 i think ford fixed the traction issues with the new suspension on the 2013 shelby.. Its said to go 0-60 in 3.7 secs and if this is true, i think they did something right.. But man your car is still a beast. Im in love with my 302 boss, its not as fast as you but it hooks up!!
Parody VERY well done! But you gotta remember 650HP is kinda useless. I have a 2012 GT500 and only with 550HP, I can't fully accelerate in 1st or 2nd gear. The tires spin all the way til the end of second gear. So, there you go. What will a 650HP car do? It will most likely spin all the way til the second gear plus MAYBE til the third gear. Useless unless they go with the AWD like the GTR or the Turbo S.
@Jayturbo71 Good point, but according to SVT's chief engineer, Jamal Hameedi, the 2013 Shelby GT500 receives launch control, updated gearing in every gear except fourth, and other measures that will supposedly aide the new Shelby in hooking up. SVT Performance conducted the interview I'm referring to and the video's on Youtube.
@Gradeau I wish so, too, but trust me, I'm into cars (Viper 8.4; 700HP Z06; M6; F430; 458 Italia; GTR;ZR1, etc...) and I do everything possible to launch the cars right but it never works with RWD setup unless you modify to full drag setup. It simply does not work... My GT500 loses 0-60 to my FX50 that I also have, for example.
@Jayturbo71 Hey Jay, I hear you, man. There's no denying the limitations of RWD when you're pushing that much power. Again, though, the 2013 is upgraded considerably when compared to your 2012 GT500 in terms of putting the proverbial power to the pavement. Ford SVT's chief engineer described some of the details with SVT Performance. SVT Performance has other videos too that describe the new engine, tire selection, etc. Check them out; as a gearhead I think you'll find them very interesting.
@Jayturbo71 That's the typical go-to response, as if American OEM's simply cannot match the engineering prowess of Nissan, Porsche, Ferrari. I don't think that's the case, personally, but let's look at it for a second. Both Nissan and Porsche utilize AWD to achieve otherworldly handling and grip, so that's out (I don't see Mustang ever utilizing AWD). Apples-to-apples, compare the $35K 2011+ 5.0L Mustang to the $70K BMW M3. The Boss performs even better, still yet at a fraction of the cost.
@Gradeau My point is,... Why make a car that can't even accelerate? The reason GTR and 911 Turbo are made AWD is not because they chose to, but because they had to. Why? RWD setup would simply not handle the torque so it would be worthless.
@Jayturbo71 No one's tested the 2013, yet; all we have to go on is what SVT and Ford themselves have stated and that's that the car's been thoroughly reworked to ensure that it will handle the 650 horsepower, 600 lb-ft 5.8L engine. If Ford were allowed to price this car in the realm of the Nissan GT-R (which is a bargain-basement supercar compared to any Ferrari), I can assure you it would be that much better. It's pretty remarkable what Ford's been able to do with such a bargain-priced car.
@Gradeau I wasn't talking about the BOSS or M3. Both of these cars "CAN" fully accelerate in most circumstances. I'm talking about the GT500. This car CANNOT fully accelerate in any circumstances. So, why did they not make it AWD? That's what I mean! If they wanted to maintain it RWD, then they should not increase the power too much. If they increase the power too much, then they should have gone to AWD setup.
@Jayturbo71 It's a Mustang, that's why it isn't AWD. Can you imagine the backlash from the Mustang faithful -- the demographic to which this car is designed and built; the people who actually buy these cars in large part? If America does produce an AWD supercar, it will undoubtedly be an all-new vehicle with the pricetag to match Nissan's GT-R, Ferrari's 458 Italia, etc.
@Gradeau Don't have any videos on the GT500 or the GTR. But I have several 458 videos put on youtube by other friends. Just search for "458 vs" and you will find many videos of my 458 running against a few other cars such as 911 Turbo S, GTR...
@kb2010gt500 I have a 458 and a GT500 (2012). You can ask around (GTR forums, Ferrarichat or 6speedonline who Jayturbo is if you don't know how to believe the truth...
@Gradeau Plus, this car does not have a good 1-to-2 gear quick shift. If you try too quickly, then you will grind the gear. Don't quite understand why they made it like that.
@Jayturbo71 Germane to the 2013 Shelby GT500, you can hit 60 in first gear and run the quarter-mile in second. Jamal Hameedi, SVT's chief engineer, mentioned the notchy 1-2 shift specifically and stated that SVT has addressed it with the upcoming 650-horsepower GT500.
@kb2010gt500 Yeah, you're right, I made a typo. The '13 GT500 will hit sixty in first and run the quarter in third gear. Of course, you all can research this yourself: search above for "SVTPerformance," "2013 GT500" and "Jamal Hameedi." It's explained in detail in the interview videos SVTPerformance did at the LA Auto Show.
@Gradeau I would have to see it finish the 1/4 in third. I need to see the gear ratios. The only thing I could see helping it finish in third would be the 7k redline. I still do not think it will be in third.
@kb2010gt500 You're right, the new 5.8L features a 7K RPM redline. The final gear ratio is 3.31 (down from 3.55 and 3.73 for the SVTPP). First gear on the 2013 is 2.66, down from 2.97); the remainder of the gears have all been changed, too, except for fourth. I'm not just making this stuff up. It's all in the video SVT Performance did entitled "Why the 2013 GT500 has 285 rear tires." Start said video at around 2:00, and I think you'll gain a lot of knowledge regarding the upcoming Shelby.
@Gradeau The rear right suspension squeaks too much. The Sync music system does not remember the last music that was played on USB. Every time I start the car, I have to search for the right music. How stupid. The Homelink sometimes works and sometimes it does not. The side driver's airbag interferes with the side bolster that ever time I get out of the car, it makes funny noise...
@Gradeau The list goes on and on. In one word, I hate this car. I should have never gone back an American car. Should have stuck with the Germans and Italians... :-(
@Jayturbo71 And if you search around, you'll find people who've sworn off German, Italian, Japanese, etc cars. I hate that you've had such bad experiences with your 2012 but, to steal a line from you, we're talking about the 2013 GT500 here. It's a new car; I'm not sure if they've updated SYNC or taken measures to ensure the seats are more comfortable but, according to SVT (the people that make the car), they HAVE taken measures that will help the car hook up.
@1vdn992 also they copy somethings from the FORD GT so i think it wil be better but i really glad ford is doing it's homework now since no1 before think the mustang gt will be as good as bmw M3 no even thinking about a mustang could ever handle as good as any supercar but here is the boss, boss laguna seca so all this have proof that ford can do it right.
@Jayturbo71 About as uselss as a street racing punk. I have 700 at the tire on my GT500. At 60 in second you can not give it half throttle and it will boil the tires. In third gear at 80 mph it will boil the tires if you mash on it. I will get it on the track this spring after I get a 1-piece DS, line locks, wheels/slicks. Also adding a 4.10 gear. Take it to the track and gouge GM cars in the ass.
@kb2010gt500 you should try to get some STEEDA suspencion on you GT500 they make really good stuff and also they have their version of the GT500 is call Q650 with 650 hp but theirs do handle very well.
@junkymuscle I could care less about street racing. The only suspension/drive traian mods I will do this winter to finally gret my GT500 on a drag strip is a set up springs for drag racing, shocks, 1-piece drive shaft, 4.10 gears, 28 inch tall ET Drags, better heat exhanger and add 3 more pounds of boost to my Kenne Bell.
@Jayturbo71 Have you tried putting drag radials on it or some wider tires...If you have did it hook up and what did the 1/4mile look like after the change
@Jayturbo71 You can't drive. Personally I do not believe you have a GT500. My GT500 bonestock would hook fine, if you can drive. But, now I am at 700 rwhp and it has traction problems at 80-100 mph in thrid. And who cares except street raing punks. Go to the track with slicks.
@kb2010gt500 I have a 2008 Gt500 and it got awful traction with the stock goodyears with stock power. Im not a professional driver but they do get bad traction from the factory. My GT500 now has power similar to yours, but the first thing i did was get good tires. Better tires is probably the first thing a gt500 owner should invest in.
@kb2010gt500 I can't drive? Please ask people around who knows me... (6speedonline, nagtroc and ferrarichat). Haha... You are attacking me because you have your GT500 and you love it. Well... It happens to be that I also own it and it's the cheapest car I have among 6 other cars I have and it sucks and I hate it. OK?
@kb2010gt500 My 08 gt with a little 100 shot, and bolt-ons has traction problems, bad traction problems. And, that's at 5,000 feet above sea level on the trac. I've seen a factory 11 GT eat the wall on factory tires. So you must be driving around with the Traction Controller on.
I guess you would think it was funny if you liked the early parody about hitler losing his xbox account fDQugE1xpuc WHICH WAS IN 2008! It has been done hundreds of times by every genre on the internet and vehicle manufactures like the Dodge Viper, Nissan and countless others. Its so great that someone on a Ford forum finally put together there version what a relief. I'm just glad they got this done before 2013 because we would have look like really silly. Current and trendy!
@uRnotEL337 What's your point got to do with the price of broiled cat in Malaysia? He took the time to add the captions and it is funny as hell because it really is close to reality because of Barack Odumbo.
I dont know what the Camaro has to do with Germany but alrighty then. I would still rather have the Camaro over the dated looking mustang thats looked like the same car for the last 10 years. Even the Challenger is a nicer looking car. Sorry, just my opinion. I have some good friends with Mustangs too.
You'd have to be a blind 'tard to think a 2005+ Mustang looks like a 2001 Mustang (that's what 10 years is, after all, a 2001). Then again, since the Australian designed, Canadian built foreign Camaro looks like a Hyundai, maybe most Chevy fanbois are blind.
Wow, the GM brand whores are really humping these comments like it is their day job. LMFAO, shows how they are running scared and totally playing defense.
@TheOffficialKC UM DUDE, IM PRETTY SURE IT'S JUST.... AC CURRENT FLOWING THROUGH ELECTROMAGNETS CONTROLLED BY AN ACCELEROMETER. Do you EVEN KNOW what LITERS OF DISPLACEMENT ARE?! LOOK @ THE #'again boss 5.8eng-2.3s/c total LOD=8.1 6.2eng-1.9s/c TOTAL LOD=8.1...FORD's BEEN ON TOP FOR YEARS. THE CARS HAD SUPERCAR DRIVETRAINS SINCE 95. U HAD TO B SMART ENOUGH TO PUT IT TOGETHER.
Im a mustang guy but it doesnt matter what either of them could do because with the same amout of money you could build one that faster in every catagory and still have money left
@fdjizm lol 99% of ZL1 owners will never even drive it on the nurburgring and hardly any of them would do any autocross or anything besides a dragrace or racing between lights
Never saw something stupid and primitive like this video. Obviously you guys in US didn't get it, right?
Greez from a German GT500 driver.
SHELBYFORUM1 5 minutes ago
I'm in stitches. LMFAO
azturbort 12 hours ago
Lol chevy runs deep.... Kinda gay dont ya think... GO MUSTANGS!!!!
xXSRS24Xx 15 hours ago
Fuk camaro
viciousxharminex 20 hours ago
I agree with Hitler kill the camaro and dont bring it back lol
illegalfuture 1 day ago
Hitler can't head up GM, he refused to take a bailout at the end of this war ;)
attananightshadow 2 days ago
Lol
RayG707 2 days ago
Wow...strangely enough there's a lot of truth to this video, lol.
man36021 3 days ago 2
camaro fanboys can SUCK IT!.... MUSTANGS FOREVER!
texasbradley 1 week ago
Why is hitler talking about a vette? Shouldn't he be worried about VW or something?
k0olguy163 1 week ago
What the hell is with these dreamers. Some of you must be delusional. I know you read in each review how the Camaros IRS didn't pull as high of G force in lateral acceleration then the Mustang. The 5.0's live axle out handled the SS, and the Boss 302 out handled the ZL1. The ZL1 beat the Boss on the track because it had 140 more hp. Currently, no Camaro out handles any mustang in the same class.
StangpedePlus1 1 week ago 5
Haha this is the best thing iv ever seen on YouTube or anything else for that matter made my week!! That zl1's a joke from day 1
fordfool420 1 week ago 2
GM sucks!
UndeadArmy4O 2 weeks ago 6
Lol. Gt500 FTW!!! Just got to reading mm&ff
The 5.8 makes 500tq at 2000rpm and the speedo stops at 220mph. Chevy zl1 might be fast but the gt500 is truely going to be the winner! YOU MAD BRO???
Mangobrain82 2 weeks ago
lmao toyota commercial?
linkthemain 2 weeks ago in playlist Liked videos
they're gonna perform exactly the same idk what hitler is bitching about
chinchillawrangler 2 weeks ago
What's funny is that Henry ford and hitler were best friends back when they were alive. Ford rules!!
UndeadArmy4O 2 weeks ago
Hitler and Henry Ford were best friends. Wow what a History buff you are. Could you tell me if Walter P Chrysler and Benito Mussolini were best friends too.
dominatorishere 1 week ago
@dominatorishere no but i can tell you about your history, your family tree is like a cactus cuz everybody on it is a prick
UndeadArmy4O 3 days ago
OMG this is funny, and what makes it funny is it's true!!!!
svtmattUT 2 weeks ago
OMG this is funny, and what makes it funny is it's true!!!!
svtmattUT 2 weeks ago
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redsnake75 2 weeks ago
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gpaje 3 weeks ago
@usdx329 an M3 cant even defeat the GT 5.0 what are u talking about!!
MySupercharged03 3 weeks ago
The new Viper will smoke them both so who really gives a fuck?
3982mb 3 weeks ago
@3982mb the viper isn't the same class you dumb fuck
HottestGuyOnInternet 1 week ago
wouldn't an m3 fit better because of germany and all.....oh wait an m3 would own it!!!
usdx329 3 weeks ago
@usdx329 Own what?
Maybe a normal 400 hp Camaro SS or Mustang GT, on a tight twisty track, maybe.
gpaje 3 weeks ago
Mustang: a real woman's car! Bunch of faggots.
uplandassault 3 weeks ago
@uplandassault Haha, whatever you say, its a MUCH BETTER CAR than the Challenger or the Camaro
BL80488 2 weeks ago
@uplandassault camaro: a real faggot's car
HottestGuyOnInternet 1 week ago
up next... THE SADDOM HUSSEIN BREAKDOWN LOL...
kernal616 3 weeks ago
I'm just glad that chevrolet does'nt use a war criminal in their adds.
kernal616 3 weeks ago
@kernal616 too bad chevy is run by criminals
HottestGuyOnInternet 1 week ago
NOT FORD> HITLER...
kernal616 3 weeks ago
my guess is hitler can kill. kill .kill
kernal616 3 weeks ago
HITLER MUST BE IN HEAVEN> his name is still alive.
kernal616 3 weeks ago
great video for HITLER..... that sends a great "MESAGE"?
kernal616 3 weeks ago
@Greendude33. Are you kidding me. Your vortec motors burn oil like a oil rig on fire and need the top ends rebuilt at 25k miles. Your new camaros are nothing but electrical nightmares and catching fire which GM has had problems with since they have been in buisness and look like a pontiac solstice stretched out 8ft. The standard gt smokes the SS in every single performance category and proven.
rickzmustang 3 weeks ago
@rickzmustang That's a bullshit lie care to cite your assertions using credible 3rd party sources? All American trucks are good but Silverado's have been known to last longer than F Series trucks. Ha 25K miles bullshit.
Ford is only lucky the Camaro was rushed out using a sedan chassis. The ZL1 will have the proper chassis tech to still beat the new GT500 and the 3300lb Alpha chassis Camaros of the 2014 model year with C7 tech will murder the Stang.
Greendude33 3 weeks ago
Excellent! "twatwaddle" LOL!
Heewack2 3 weeks ago
I haven't been so cracked up by one of these Hitler videos in such a long time, I'd almost given up on them. But you, sir, had me laughing the whole time. Bravo.
ThatFastXSport 3 weeks ago
Mustangs are for girls and fags
karma661 3 weeks ago
I am sure the Germans of all people are not stupid enough to believe that a HP bump alone makes a car faster... Hitler would still prefer a ZL1 b/c it would make the GT500 look like a joke at his Nurburgring.
PS Ford fan boys the Camaro is getting the Alpha chassis in 2014 models which weighs under 3400lbs with an advanced IRS. It will only get worse for Stang fanboys when the alpha Camaro's get parts from the new C7 Corvette like new dual clutch 7 speed transmission to put the power down.
Greendude33 4 weeks ago
@Greendude33 Wake up Alice, this aint Wonderland. And you Chevy clown boys and the ZL1 chief engineer better pray the ZL1 is faster than the 2013 GT500 on a road course after that pathetic letter he wrote. I would have fired him for that alone. Putting hypereutectic pistons in a blown engine is just dumbo or is it cheap. You Gm clown boys can thank unions for them shitty cast pistons when they start blwing up engines at the track. Ford's been whoopin GM for 10 years little boy.
kb2010gt500 4 weeks ago
@kb2010gt500 Ford has never had better reliability rating than GM esp with V8 engines.
Greendude33 3 weeks ago
Woke up laughin at this
mrmikehal 4 weeks ago
the ZL1 is a boat trying to race on land. I would rather have a car hundreds of pounds lighter then a car with the ZL1s IRS. If you haven't seen the '13 GT500 video on the 'ring you should watch it, its extremely smooth going through corners. GT500 not only has the performance but the heritage to match.
3NOSHITSHERLOCK3 1 month ago
@3NOSHITSHERLOCK3 have you even had the chance to drive either one of them?? how about a regular SS model or the GT??
Bizzylizzy9000 1 month ago
@3NOSHITSHERLOCK3 My buddies 03 CObra and a solid axle ran a lot better than my 03 with the IRS. I am glad the GT500 has a solid axle. We are muscle car fans. Funny when GM clown boys had the LS1 to the 4.6 32V NA Cobra they said there was no replacement for displacement. Now all GM talks about is handling. You'll never see NASCAR with an IRS.
kb2010gt500 4 weeks ago
I guess Ford is gonna have to pull out the Boss 429 badge...
MySupercharged03 1 month ago
the zl1 was tuned on the track. the gt500 was tuned for... well... idk what its for. You get more hp, top speed, and acceleration, but no where to use it. the zl1 has a high tech suspension and the gt500 still has a solid rear axle. The nurburgring time for the zl1 was released and the gt500s....wasnt. Theres only a few good reasons for that.
nafoonthebaboon 1 month ago
@nafoonthebaboon Really. Like For dholding back the power numbers for the 2013 GT500 and popped GM's cherry? It's going otbe hillarious when the GT500 whoops the ZL1 on a raod course. We know the butt raping the GT500 will do to a ZL1 on a drag strip. The place where ALL muscle car fans care about. 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 percent of muscle car owners will never put their car on a raod course.
kb2010gt500 4 weeks ago
@kb2010gt500 judging by the education level of mustang fans, i can see why ford stretches their numbers... You really have no idea what you are talking about. no one is ever going to take you seriously (let alone hold back their laughs at your stupidity) if you cant even type a comment on youtube. go home, and enjoy your mustang. Looks are purely opinion, but the camaro looks better, too. just ask anyone what would be cooler to see on the road: a mustang or a camaro? camaro. simple.
nafoonthebaboon 3 weeks ago
@rotaryjunkie GM has held an overprotective stance about vette 0-60/1/4 mile #'s for some time and alot of people NEVER aspire to own one. An LS7 is a proper high rev track motor whose ci matches camaros weight. A 3,900lb LS7 camaro is hardly causing a vette an image prob. how is an LS7 more expensive than an LSAw blower complexities?? LS9 ZL1 w MORE boost than a ZR1 would be GT500s match and still underperform the 900lb lighter ZR1
05EVORS 1 month ago
@05EVORS I agree with this statement... They should have just gotten over it and dropped an LS9 in the ZL1... It would still be way slower than the ZR1 and wouldn't steal its thunder in any way really.
twztd28 1 month ago
@05EVORS I completely agree. The LS7 is a $14k engine while the LSA is around $20k (crate prices). The LS7 is also lighter than the LSA. Either way, for the ZL1, the LS9 would have been a better way to go. The GT500 has a much bigger blower, more like the LS9's. And it would not step on the ZL1's toes as the ZL1 will kill it on a track no matter what. Besides, the Corvette is getting replaced soon. Hopefully they drop the LS9 in in a a year or two.
TheOfficialKC 1 month ago
I would nuke the zl1 if I were gm. Form didn't take a decade off from the sport coupe, and it shows in their constant ass kicking of the camaro. I am a huge camaro fan saying this.
89silverbullet 1 month ago
This was extremely well done!
mikeferndz 1 month ago
"Not like it's catching on fire or anything" LMFAO. Needed that, thank you.
Kalyska 1 month ago
funniest shit Hitler ever did since the Beetle.
tranchedevie2 1 month ago
yep.....shoulda badged it(upcoming zl1) Z28 and brought out the LS9 for the ZL1(no mag suspension) ....ZL1 should be a straight-up drag car and mag ride for Z28/boss 302 segment. Z28 coulda had NA LS7 for $46k (skip LSA altogether)
05EVORS 1 month ago
@05EVORS Or a hopped up high rpm 5.3 to be a better match for the Ford 5.0. I'm not saying the LS7 is bad don't get me wrong, a "big block" just seems wrong in a car that handles to me.
GMdrivingMOPARguy 1 month ago
@GMdrivingMOPARguy
LS7 is a small block, and it is lighter than the 5.3
~they share a block and the 7.0 is just bored and stroked
Tcatracing 1 month ago
@Tcatracing Yes I know, they are all part of the LS engine family. I put big block in quotation marks because the LS7 is the classic 427 Big Block displacement. The 5.3 truck motor is heavier because it has an iron block but they make an aluminum crate motor don't they?
GMdrivingMOPARguy 1 month ago
@05EVORS LS7 is very likely much more expensive to produce than the LSA.
A detuned version of it would also be very close to pointless considering there's only an 80hp difference between the LS3 and the LS7... Going blown is the only way to make something that doesn't step on the ZR1's toes too much without being seen as pointless by the consumer.
RotaryJunkie 1 month ago
I wonder what Hitler will do once he finds out the 13 gt500 was dynoed by hot rod magazine and put down 670hp @ 7000rpm!
braddfordy 1 month ago
Good shit but the Viper ACR was still the best.
nomellocreampig 1 month ago
Best video I have seen in a very long time. Hilarious.
universalbreeze 1 month ago
So much for, "But what if we had a blower too" lmao Best part
97bluenuts 1 month ago
LMFAOO!!! This video is Hilarious! Excellent work!
97bluenuts 1 month ago
No matter where you stand on the camaro vs mustang debate this video is downright hilarious!
Ultimatemxcn 1 month ago
Ahhhh...... Great video. I love fords Special Vehicle Team.
68dylan68 1 month ago
"you managed to get bitch slapped at your own release party" LMFAO. i feel bad for the people that preordered the ZL1....
svtcobra1992 1 month ago
id still buy a camaro
thewraith2143 1 month ago
lmao that how "deep" chevy runs haha
JohnnyMakeitRain 1 month ago
This video is great!!! It's so funny!!!
cesarhidalgo23 1 month ago
jaajajaja esta poca madre el videoooo mustanggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg
reinoaventura1988 1 month ago
3:16 "not like its catching on fire or anything" lmao
DMasterMensionz 1 month ago
The guy at time-frame 1:03 (on the left) looks like an animated corpse (or zombie if you will).
myron73 1 month ago
@kb2010gt500 svt head has already said it finish the 1320 in 3rd gear! doesnt matter what you think it will do you didnt build or have any input on the 13
braddfordy 1 month ago
"Just wait until ZL1 is on youtube getting pulled on the highway" LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Mangobrain82 1 month ago
I laughed my ass off
camaroslayer50 1 month ago
The mullets line got me.
otakujhp 1 month ago
LOL, nobody told him about the Volt issue the NHSTA lied about.
7t2z28 1 month ago
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7t2z28 1 month ago
This is epic, Ford should buy the rights to this and run it on t.v., awesome!
scrochy66 1 month ago
The 12 dislikes must have an office at GM......
kevinkpk1 1 month ago 2
Brillant! I might have to sell my SS. lol
TheMjackson1977 1 month ago
Chevy is supposed to run deep! LOL - Great line.
TheBrodeo3833 1 month ago
Somehow, I suspect that this is Fergeline's fault.
simpsonfan13 1 month ago
HAHAHAHAHA AWESOME! GM waited too long to release the ZL1. Now the 2013 GT500 is stealing the headlines. Maybe it's time to bring out the mighty LS9.
elr456 1 month ago
"Don't even try saying "no replacement for displacement" is over because their engine is even bigger you twatwaffle!! Best line.
greendayrules11 1 month ago
This is sooo funny!!! Chevy sucks
RizeeyRee32 1 month ago
This is some funny stuff
tyrone121285 1 month ago
@Jayturbo71 sounds like your gt500 is a "lemon"... Thats sucks but hey from what you claim on youtube, just sell it and get the 2013... Looks like you do pretty well for yourself and you can probrably afford it.
dtdeb99 2 months ago
@dtdeb99 No, it's not lemon...
Jayturbo71 2 months ago
@Jayturbo71 You make it out to be one.
kb2010gt500 1 month ago
Awsome way too funny looool
DonnieSabik 2 months ago
Excellent.
Demonbfg 2 months ago
this is why we always buy Ford MUSTANGS hitler. also why you couldn't rn from the cops because they drove mustangs.
TheTigeressAmber 2 months ago
I cant stop watching this!
Mattjosh50 2 months ago
GM fan boys have been posting for months how they "know the ZL1" will be faster. Ford releases the 2013 GT500 right after GM releases the numbers on the ZL1 and the stallion stomps a mud puddle in the ZL1's ass and walks it dry.
It is even going to be worse after the ZL1's chief engineer sends out that white flag of a letter boasting that the ZL1 will be faster on a road course. No it won't. Its gonna be bad for GM in the coming months. Jest like their idiot CEO Barack Odumbo. Ass clowns.
kb2010gt500 2 months ago
@kb2010gt500 ford took Govt money too, go read jalopniks article. keep the politics out of it.
AnimepimpYT 1 month ago
@AnimepimpYT They were loaned money years ago, sonny. They never went bankrupt or got a bailout. And no, I w ill not keep the politics out of it. Barack Odumbo put the politics in it. Their former loud mouth CEO Whitaker put politics in it when he said "GM put THEIR money where their mouths were" whne they were bailed out and then lied about paying back the bailout money. GM is still in trouble because they did nuthin to change what bankrupted them
kb2010gt500 1 month ago
Pretty fitting video considering GM's CEO is Barack Odumbo the socialist. They have 2-3 years before they are either out of business or they end up a division of Toyota.
kb2010gt500 2 months ago
I thank GM for bringing back the camaro because it has pushed Ford to make kick-ass cars. Unfortunately for GM the mustang just keeps getting better and after this monster is done, the mustang will be on a smaller, lighter more european sized chassis. Weight is the key for real performance and ford is figuring that out while Gm makes their camaro a truck
NoUtubeDegree 2 months ago
@NoUtubeDegree Really. How do you explain the 2003 Cobra that kicked LS1 owners in the ass. Low 7's for $1200 in mods.
kb2010gt500 1 month ago
Very witty Hitler parody! I'm a ZR1 owner, but that was a funny clip! Nice job.
quikagc5 2 months ago
Yeap, best one so far!
Vffr123 2 months ago
@Jayturbo71 i think ford fixed the traction issues with the new suspension on the 2013 shelby.. Its said to go 0-60 in 3.7 secs and if this is true, i think they did something right.. But man your car is still a beast. Im in love with my 302 boss, its not as fast as you but it hooks up!!
dtdeb99 2 months ago
lol thats real talent in comedy
ZR1KingOfTheHillZR1 2 months ago
Parody VERY well done! But you gotta remember 650HP is kinda useless. I have a 2012 GT500 and only with 550HP, I can't fully accelerate in 1st or 2nd gear. The tires spin all the way til the end of second gear. So, there you go. What will a 650HP car do? It will most likely spin all the way til the second gear plus MAYBE til the third gear. Useless unless they go with the AWD like the GTR or the Turbo S.
Jayturbo71 2 months ago
@Jayturbo71 Good point, but according to SVT's chief engineer, Jamal Hameedi, the 2013 Shelby GT500 receives launch control, updated gearing in every gear except fourth, and other measures that will supposedly aide the new Shelby in hooking up. SVT Performance conducted the interview I'm referring to and the video's on Youtube.
Gradeau 2 months ago 2
@Gradeau I wish so, too, but trust me, I'm into cars (Viper 8.4; 700HP Z06; M6; F430; 458 Italia; GTR;ZR1, etc...) and I do everything possible to launch the cars right but it never works with RWD setup unless you modify to full drag setup. It simply does not work... My GT500 loses 0-60 to my FX50 that I also have, for example.
Jayturbo71 2 months ago
@Jayturbo71 Hey Jay, I hear you, man. There's no denying the limitations of RWD when you're pushing that much power. Again, though, the 2013 is upgraded considerably when compared to your 2012 GT500 in terms of putting the proverbial power to the pavement. Ford SVT's chief engineer described some of the details with SVT Performance. SVT Performance has other videos too that describe the new engine, tire selection, etc. Check them out; as a gearhead I think you'll find them very interesting.
Gradeau 2 months ago
@Gradeau Nevertheless, American cars need to study hard to catch up to cars such as Nissan GTR, 911 Turbo and Ferraris...
Jayturbo71 2 months ago
@Jayturbo71 That's the typical go-to response, as if American OEM's simply cannot match the engineering prowess of Nissan, Porsche, Ferrari. I don't think that's the case, personally, but let's look at it for a second. Both Nissan and Porsche utilize AWD to achieve otherworldly handling and grip, so that's out (I don't see Mustang ever utilizing AWD). Apples-to-apples, compare the $35K 2011+ 5.0L Mustang to the $70K BMW M3. The Boss performs even better, still yet at a fraction of the cost.
Gradeau 2 months ago
@Gradeau My point is,... Why make a car that can't even accelerate? The reason GTR and 911 Turbo are made AWD is not because they chose to, but because they had to. Why? RWD setup would simply not handle the torque so it would be worthless.
Jayturbo71 2 months ago
@Jayturbo71 No one's tested the 2013, yet; all we have to go on is what SVT and Ford themselves have stated and that's that the car's been thoroughly reworked to ensure that it will handle the 650 horsepower, 600 lb-ft 5.8L engine. If Ford were allowed to price this car in the realm of the Nissan GT-R (which is a bargain-basement supercar compared to any Ferrari), I can assure you it would be that much better. It's pretty remarkable what Ford's been able to do with such a bargain-priced car.
Gradeau 2 months ago
@Gradeau I wasn't talking about the BOSS or M3. Both of these cars "CAN" fully accelerate in most circumstances. I'm talking about the GT500. This car CANNOT fully accelerate in any circumstances. So, why did they not make it AWD? That's what I mean! If they wanted to maintain it RWD, then they should not increase the power too much. If they increase the power too much, then they should have gone to AWD setup.
Jayturbo71 2 months ago
@Jayturbo71 It's a Mustang, that's why it isn't AWD. Can you imagine the backlash from the Mustang faithful -- the demographic to which this car is designed and built; the people who actually buy these cars in large part? If America does produce an AWD supercar, it will undoubtedly be an all-new vehicle with the pricetag to match Nissan's GT-R, Ferrari's 458 Italia, etc.
Gradeau 2 months ago
@Gradeau Yeah... You are right... I went into the wrong demographics when I belong to another... :-( Another mistake...
Jayturbo71 2 months ago
@Jayturbo71 Post some videos of your 2012 GT500, Ferrari 458 Italia and Nissan GT-R. I'd love to check them out!
Gradeau 2 months ago
@Gradeau Don't have any videos on the GT500 or the GTR. But I have several 458 videos put on youtube by other friends. Just search for "458 vs" and you will find many videos of my 458 running against a few other cars such as 911 Turbo S, GTR...
Jayturbo71 2 months ago
@Gradeau He has 458 vidoes or a 458? yet none on his GT500. He doesn't have one.
kb2010gt500 2 months ago
@kb2010gt500 I have a 458 and a GT500 (2012). You can ask around (GTR forums, Ferrarichat or 6speedonline who Jayturbo is if you don't know how to believe the truth...
Jayturbo71 2 months ago
@Gradeau Plus, this car does not have a good 1-to-2 gear quick shift. If you try too quickly, then you will grind the gear. Don't quite understand why they made it like that.
Jayturbo71 2 months ago
@Jayturbo71 Germane to the 2013 Shelby GT500, you can hit 60 in first gear and run the quarter-mile in second. Jamal Hameedi, SVT's chief engineer, mentioned the notchy 1-2 shift specifically and stated that SVT has addressed it with the upcoming 650-horsepower GT500.
Gradeau 2 months ago
@Gradeau Bull flocking shit. Only if you were at 20,000 rpm. You will be in third on an 1/8.
kb2010gt500 2 months ago
@kb2010gt500 Yeah, you're right, I made a typo. The '13 GT500 will hit sixty in first and run the quarter in third gear. Of course, you all can research this yourself: search above for "SVTPerformance," "2013 GT500" and "Jamal Hameedi." It's explained in detail in the interview videos SVTPerformance did at the LA Auto Show.
Gradeau 1 month ago
@Gradeau I would have to see it finish the 1/4 in third. I need to see the gear ratios. The only thing I could see helping it finish in third would be the 7k redline. I still do not think it will be in third.
kb2010gt500 1 month ago
@kb2010gt500 You're right, the new 5.8L features a 7K RPM redline. The final gear ratio is 3.31 (down from 3.55 and 3.73 for the SVTPP). First gear on the 2013 is 2.66, down from 2.97); the remainder of the gears have all been changed, too, except for fourth. I'm not just making this stuff up. It's all in the video SVT Performance did entitled "Why the 2013 GT500 has 285 rear tires." Start said video at around 2:00, and I think you'll gain a lot of knowledge regarding the upcoming Shelby.
Gradeau 1 month ago
@Gradeau The rear right suspension squeaks too much. The Sync music system does not remember the last music that was played on USB. Every time I start the car, I have to search for the right music. How stupid. The Homelink sometimes works and sometimes it does not. The side driver's airbag interferes with the side bolster that ever time I get out of the car, it makes funny noise...
Jayturbo71 2 months ago
@Gradeau The list goes on and on. In one word, I hate this car. I should have never gone back an American car. Should have stuck with the Germans and Italians... :-(
Jayturbo71 2 months ago
@Jayturbo71 And if you search around, you'll find people who've sworn off German, Italian, Japanese, etc cars. I hate that you've had such bad experiences with your 2012 but, to steal a line from you, we're talking about the 2013 GT500 here. It's a new car; I'm not sure if they've updated SYNC or taken measures to ensure the seats are more comfortable but, according to SVT (the people that make the car), they HAVE taken measures that will help the car hook up.
Gradeau 2 months ago
@Jayturbo71 Do you really own a GT500? I think not.
kb2010gt500 2 months ago
@kb2010gt500 Not everyone posts videos of their cars. I had videos of my Gt500 on another account until google decided to delete my old account.
NoUtubeDegree 2 months ago in playlist Liked videos
@kb2010gt500 Very funny. Search jayturbo on 6speedonline, ferrarichat and nagtroc and you will know who I am...
Jayturbo71 2 months ago
@Jayturbo71 Or get real tires...
JustinStrife 2 months ago
@Jayturbo71 The 2013 has a new transmission with new gearing and launch control, Genius.
1vdn992 2 months ago
@1vdn992 also they copy somethings from the FORD GT so i think it wil be better but i really glad ford is doing it's homework now since no1 before think the mustang gt will be as good as bmw M3 no even thinking about a mustang could ever handle as good as any supercar but here is the boss, boss laguna seca so all this have proof that ford can do it right.
junkymuscle 1 month ago
@Jayturbo71 About as uselss as a street racing punk. I have 700 at the tire on my GT500. At 60 in second you can not give it half throttle and it will boil the tires. In third gear at 80 mph it will boil the tires if you mash on it. I will get it on the track this spring after I get a 1-piece DS, line locks, wheels/slicks. Also adding a 4.10 gear. Take it to the track and gouge GM cars in the ass.
kb2010gt500 2 months ago
@kb2010gt500 you should try to get some STEEDA suspencion on you GT500 they make really good stuff and also they have their version of the GT500 is call Q650 with 650 hp but theirs do handle very well.
junkymuscle 1 month ago
@junkymuscle I could care less about street racing. The only suspension/drive traian mods I will do this winter to finally gret my GT500 on a drag strip is a set up springs for drag racing, shocks, 1-piece drive shaft, 4.10 gears, 28 inch tall ET Drags, better heat exhanger and add 3 more pounds of boost to my Kenne Bell.
kb2010gt500 1 month ago
@Jayturbo71 Have you tried putting drag radials on it or some wider tires...If you have did it hook up and what did the 1/4mile look like after the change
Mattjosh50 2 months ago
@Mattjosh50 No and don't really want to. My other cars are 458 Italia and Nissan GTR so don't really need to do that...
Jayturbo71 2 months ago
@Jayturbo71 You can't drive. Personally I do not believe you have a GT500. My GT500 bonestock would hook fine, if you can drive. But, now I am at 700 rwhp and it has traction problems at 80-100 mph in thrid. And who cares except street raing punks. Go to the track with slicks.
kb2010gt500 2 months ago
@kb2010gt500 I have a 2008 Gt500 and it got awful traction with the stock goodyears with stock power. Im not a professional driver but they do get bad traction from the factory. My GT500 now has power similar to yours, but the first thing i did was get good tires. Better tires is probably the first thing a gt500 owner should invest in.
NoUtubeDegree 2 months ago in playlist Liked videos
@NoUtubeDegree 2008~2010 GTRs didn't have the traction problem the 2012 has...
Jayturbo71 2 months ago
@Jayturbo71 I was talking about the Gt500
NoUtubeDegree 1 month ago
@NoUtubeDegree I don't street race so I want my street tires to be as hard as stones.
kb2010gt500 1 month ago
@kb2010gt500 I can't drive? Please ask people around who knows me... (6speedonline, nagtroc and ferrarichat). Haha... You are attacking me because you have your GT500 and you love it. Well... It happens to be that I also own it and it's the cheapest car I have among 6 other cars I have and it sucks and I hate it. OK?
Jayturbo71 2 months ago
@Jayturbo71 That's my opinion, And I'm sticking to it.
kb2010gt500 1 month ago
@kb2010gt500 My 08 gt with a little 100 shot, and bolt-ons has traction problems, bad traction problems. And, that's at 5,000 feet above sea level on the trac. I've seen a factory 11 GT eat the wall on factory tires. So you must be driving around with the Traction Controller on.
ptbelttactics 1 month ago
@Jayturbo71 Dude I can solve your problems in two words. Mickey Thompson.
608gamer07 1 month ago
Best Hitler Parody. EVER!
aepack2006 2 months ago 11
@aepack2006 Thank you sir
fordgtforum 2 months ago
I guess you would think it was funny if you liked the early parody about hitler losing his xbox account fDQugE1xpuc WHICH WAS IN 2008! It has been done hundreds of times by every genre on the internet and vehicle manufactures like the Dodge Viper, Nissan and countless others. Its so great that someone on a Ford forum finally put together there version what a relief. I'm just glad they got this done before 2013 because we would have look like really silly. Current and trendy!
uRnotEL337 2 months ago
@uRnotEL337 What's your point got to do with the price of broiled cat in Malaysia? He took the time to add the captions and it is funny as hell because it really is close to reality because of Barack Odumbo.
kb2010gt500 1 month ago
I dont know what the Camaro has to do with Germany but alrighty then. I would still rather have the Camaro over the dated looking mustang thats looked like the same car for the last 10 years. Even the Challenger is a nicer looking car. Sorry, just my opinion. I have some good friends with Mustangs too.
chevelle396guy 2 months ago
@chevelle396guy
You'd have to be a blind 'tard to think a 2005+ Mustang looks like a 2001 Mustang (that's what 10 years is, after all, a 2001). Then again, since the Australian designed, Canadian built foreign Camaro looks like a Hyundai, maybe most Chevy fanbois are blind.
SixVodkas 2 months ago
Wow, the GM brand whores are really humping these comments like it is their day job. LMFAO, shows how they are running scared and totally playing defense.
KewlV8 2 months ago
@TheOffficialKC UM DUDE, IM PRETTY SURE IT'S JUST.... AC CURRENT FLOWING THROUGH ELECTROMAGNETS CONTROLLED BY AN ACCELEROMETER. Do you EVEN KNOW what LITERS OF DISPLACEMENT ARE?! LOOK @ THE #'again boss 5.8eng-2.3s/c total LOD=8.1 6.2eng-1.9s/c TOTAL LOD=8.1...FORD's BEEN ON TOP FOR YEARS. THE CARS HAD SUPERCAR DRIVETRAINS SINCE 95. U HAD TO B SMART ENOUGH TO PUT IT TOGETHER.
Speedmccool385bitch 2 months ago
Doesn't matter, Ford is still garbage. I'd rather own a 315hp 4th gen LS1 Camaro over any newer Mustang.
LS1350Camaroz28 2 months ago
@LS1350Camaroz28 That's what happens when both your car and your house have a parking spot, you have a hard time letting go of your old ass camaro.
fdjizm 2 months ago
The camaro is nothing but a CTS-V without the luxury!
Mattjosh50 2 months ago
Im a mustang guy but it doesnt matter what either of them could do because with the same amout of money you could build one that faster in every catagory and still have money left
Mattjosh50 2 months ago
GM fans still holding on to their nurburgring times like it's the cure for aids. lol
fdjizm 2 months ago
@fdjizm lol 99% of ZL1 owners will never even drive it on the nurburgring and hardly any of them would do any autocross or anything besides a dragrace or racing between lights
Mattjosh50 2 months ago