The catheram is awesome, but I suspect that the Ferrari driver is either inexperienced or doesn't want to risk anything in his car. He is taking those turns really slowly and the only time that Ferrari seems to be doing any kind of racing speed is in the straight. He is breaking early, missing the apex in most turns. So I don't think it's a real race, however, I think the catheram is a much better choice for this kind of things. Fast and inexpensive.
I'll take either... for completely different reasons. Caterham would be sheer exhilaration, but the Ferrari is an actual CAR. Ferrari could build something like the Caterham, easily. They don't want to and the company would have all kinds of internal disagreements if they started the idea. But the technology? Please, they could build something better than the Caterham in that same layout.
@abbeykroeter That's half of what makes the Caterham so cool...the design is from the Fifties, and it's STILL kicking ass and taking names. I'd take the Cat' over any Ferrari; it does what it does WITHOUT a half-million worth of technology to help it. Of the two, I'd say the Cat' is more "car" than any Ferrari.
*Not that I dislike Ferraris, I just prefer the Caterham. David vs Goliath, and all that. Nice to see a 4-banger kicking the shite out of multi-hundred-K V-12's...even motorcycles!
@SuperBentley88 Sure, I wasn't specifically talking about the F40 when I said V12...I was thinking of other videos I've seen of Caterhams blowing various vehicles away. Either way, a twin-turbo V8 vs a natural-aspiration four-banger is something to see.
Why can't we love both cars for what they are? Sure, I could spend an entire day just staring at the Peninfarina-penned lines of the F40, as it is an amazingly beautiful automobile, and, fifteen years ago, was the fastest in the world. Fifteen years later, though, something CAN be said about the engineering that has made it possible to bring performance that can trump that to the (almost) common man. Give credit where it's due, I have room in my heart for both.
If I owned an F40, I definitely wouldn't be driving it to the limit on a track unless I was a hell of a driver with the skill to handle a machine like that. With no traction control, driving an extremely high performance mid-engined car beyond your skill threshold is almost suicide. I'm sure the F40 driver in this video knows that pretty well.
Well, I know a Golf should not have any chance... but search for "Caterham versus Golf" and see..
These videos are fun wathing, but you can't think they really show which car is doing better.. there's all private drivers with very different driving skills.. just because they can afford a race car it's not said that they know how to drive it fast... no matter if Golf, F40 or Ford Focus try to race the Caterham :)
@minidisk75 I just went and looked, and the thing that isn't mentioned is that was a (very) novice driver playing around (not racing) a stripped Golf (800kg) with a blown Audi engine, sequential gearbox, and full slicks. Not really a "Golf" at all. Might as well say that you saw a Porsche beaten by a Renault Megane, while leaving out that it was a Megane Trophy full-spec race car (which might not beat a GT3 even so).
what's your problem, guys? don't you think, it also depents, just a little bit maybe, on the driver? there's videos where a fu**ing vw golf beats a caterham.. so what? give me an F40 and watch everyone beating an F40... :)
Where is this video? No golf is even close to what the caterham can do. Caterham is pretty much as fast as the fastest cars made. Yes the driver makes a difference. Only a great driver can get the most out of a caterham as its a very high powered and has incredible grip.
Face palm HA! Well I see You didn't read what i said to "dickiesbike 1"
What I'm getting at is; comparing an F40 and a Caterham is like pitting a skateboard against a shopping cart! They are TWO ENTIRELY DIFFERENT BEASTS! Read down four posts and see the facts!!
The Caterham has some of The WORST aerodynamics of any production car, while the F40 is covered in curves and NACA ducts. The Caterham really slides more than it turns. Power to weight the Caterham wins. The stats are all there just look
@Shegal1535 The F40 has a bare carbon interior, no ac, no leather or anything. Do some research. 478 hp and it weighs a shade over a ton with a driver.
@xuser48 Alright ! Fuck me! you guys have proven your point, and obviously no one managed to pull mine down through all this BS. I Said "unfair comparison" and all you guys saw was "Stereo" and thought WRONG!!! well you've convinced me of one thing Posting comments is an invitation for 13 year old boys to fill you email inbox with You-Tube notifications...total waste of time.
@Shegal1535 This is hilarious; but really, I feel for ya, man. I'm going to consciously ignore every word in your post except "email." ...What?!! The F40 doesn't have email!! It doesn't have a stereo. It's surround sound, you jerk! If you want a car with email, go buy a computer ....and put wheels on it.
I like the R300 Caterham body, but i'd have to swap the 2 liter Ford engine out of it. I'd put in a turbocharged straight six or maybe even a Subaru 4 cyl . Look up STI ATV~its a subaru engine with an atv body mated to fit and its fucking beast ,full boost ,20 inch wheels , classic scooby growl and bov......
@gabealexander88 You cannot fit a straight six as it is far too long, a boxer is too wide. But then again, you could modify one, making it longer but you will probably lose out in handling big time with heavier engines.
agreed. they are fairly aerodynamic. the car has such a small frontal surface area it doesn't really matter if it's a brick, no matter what, if it disturbs less air, it's more aerodynamic. now if you scaled a lotus up to the size of a typical car then yes, it would probably be considered not very aerodynamic
You really cant compare a Super go Kart that weighs half as much as a F40 to really anything but other go carts.. thats like comparing the Radical to a two seater... Lame.. and epic fail. In the end sure the Catbox is fast, but still a freaking POS kit car.. Ferrari F40= EPIC beauty.
Nice weather anyways, so really caterham took advantage of this and made the car to suit this. Plus, I don't care what kind of car enthusiast you are, if you say you wouldn't like to drive this car at least one time, you're lying to everyone and yourself included.
I really don't know why people insist on knocking cars that they've probably never even seen in person, let alone drive. Each car is better than every other car in one way. The Caterham happens to be extremely fast around a track. But, pretty much any car beats a caterham when it comes to having a radio. The car is hard to compare really. Also whoever said,"A real car has 4 doors, a top, can be driven in snow and rain" Is dumb. If you owned a car that fast, you wouldn't drive it except for in
@varflane@varflane Italian crapmobile? you truly have no idea! please get something resembling a clue before you post stupid comments. The F40 is one of the rawest most hardcore Ferraris EVER produced..
@varflane Real car???? The caterham is great for the track, but a real car has doors, sides, at least a convertible top, windshield, etc... This is a moddified go cart. Real cars can drive in the rain or cold and transport passengers or luggage. As for the F-40, it is one of the all-time great supercars. Get a clue.
@RecklessDrift OK, watch the video again. this car has a 3 inch windscreen, no doors, sides and clearly no way of attaching any type of convertible top as it has no windscreen pillars. This is a very fast go cart and not a fully functioning car.
Definition of car according to the English dictionary: a motor vehicle with four wheels; usually propelled by an internal combustion engine.
Therefore this IS a fully functioning car, Granted it is not road legal in its current configuration, but I suspect, like many people who drive Caterhams on track-days, he has removed the windscreen and put the aero piece on instead ect ect(pretty sure the convertible attaches to the top of the regular windscreen)
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@RecklessDrift Yeah and so is a motorcycle with 4 wheels... this is a POS go kart kit car... only someone who is a fanboy of this car would consider this a piece of art or worthy of saying its a actual car... piece of junk that needs to have its own section for the Green Hell.. shit any car that weighs 1200lbs with a decent engine is going to be fast.. Caterham = EPIC Fail.. ugly piece of crap. but thumbs up for inginuity.
@worldtravel101 Its not that Iam full of hate... Its just the ludicracy of people trying to compare a Legend to a gokart. I know the car is English, so there is some bias.. but really, the Caterham is not even in the same Orbit as a F40. I saw a Caterham here in the states, sure I recogonize its fast, it weighs next to nothing, has an engine... wow.. but its ugly as sin. I can strip down a Mustang and make it just as fast.
@JuergenGDB Interesting. You are aware that the Caterham is a classic too? If you're unfamiliar, it was originally the Lotus Seven, and I think goes back to the early sixties, and allowed more people to access motorsport. It's pedigree far predates the F40. As to strippin down a 'Stang, good luck! It'll only be as a fast in a straight line, then the dynamics of the Caterham will kick it into orbit.
@migasson I agree that the Caterham has racing pedigree however comparing it to an F40 as far as being a classic is foolhardy. The Caterham is simply a kit car Lotus Seven. Perhaps if an original Super Seven was facing off against the F40 it could be a battle of classics. The F40 is one of a few pieces of automotive history representing the first turbocharged Ferrari, and an absolute monster at that. I wonder if the Driver of the F40 was really pushing it...
@giantmidget08 Then you dont know what this car is. Its based on a lotus 7 from the 50s, this is a road legal car, doesn need doors as the sides you step over. This is far larger than a go-cart, if youve never seen one in person or driven one, its a small sports car, that goes quite well. Its well over 1000 lbs and seats 2 and has seat belts, lights fenders the whole deal...geez..read up some.!
a damn fine car if it wasn't so ridiculous looking... ugly from the outside. and even when you're in it, you still have to suffer from the sight of those front lights.
Walsteadhouse, What I'm trying to say is there are other alternatives to stodgy and traditional for the less money and effort. A Cobra kit car with a stroked 500 hp V8, or how about a 405hp 2002 C5 ZO6 with the body removed and a tacked on roll cage, that would create a vehicle to scare the bejesus out of you. The ZO6 could be converted over a long weekend and save you $15K over the cost of a Chopped Ham. Camilla Parker Bowles over Princess Di, REALLY.........?
@4lostinamerica none of those cars will handle as well as the Caterham. Americans such as yourself can lord yourselves over others in your attractive posermobiles, but true car enthusiasts will get past the looks and be moved by the EXPERIENCE! (btw I don't even own a car, my only transportation is a motorbike, and if you're asking, Ducati Multistrada 1000).
Walsteadhouse, Are you saying Americans have poor taste because we think an Aston Martin is beautiful and your Catered Ham with the Tweed Exterior option not so much? The only Americans that I know who would think the Canned Ham is remotely attractive are guys who thought Benny Hill was Prime Minister and still live in their parents basement.
How can the British build some of the most beautiful cars in the world and then think this box of non matching parts can be the slightest bit attractive? Sure you can make a fast car by putting a V8 on a skateboard, but I think the not so "Hot Shoe" in the F40 was laughing so hard at what was in his rearview mirror, he had to pull over for medical reasons. I'm sorry, but driving this car, you couldn't get laid in a Monkey House with a bag full of bananas .
@4lostinamerica There's your answer. You want to get laid by monkeys while the we, the Brits are kicking the stuffing out of a pretentious overrated Italian toy. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Give me the rawcaterham experience over the Ferrari any day. You go back to your monkeys - and good luck. Beauty is the eye of the boholder for them too - your Bananas won't be enough.
O n just because it's enjine is at the front doesn't mean it has bad handling, just means it's a bit tail happy. But if u know how to race a car that thing will out corner pritty much anything!!! Fact.
It may not be the best when it comes to top speed but it will still go road the top gear track faster than a million pound bugatti veyron!!! So I wouldn't knock it to much.
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no way kid. do you know what ferrari is? f40 ,f50,enzo -tree best cars in world. ferrari driver on this tape is rookie or he let that pice of shit caterham let this lap won, but caterham driver put it on youtube
Obviously you dont know that a caterham is also a very high performance car. The caterham does 0-60 in 3.7 seconds and the f40 does it in 3.8. the ferrari f40 was one of the top super cars in THE LATE 80's AND EARLY 90's. The caterham out performs the f40. If this were an f50 or enzo the caterham would not have won. You are a dumbass.
caterham is superlightweight car. that cind of cars are not good at very high speeds, and caterham has engine at fron-that makes him bad handle, but f40 is super car with MR- engine at midlle-which has great handle type. you are dumbass kid
@tuner1967 Say what you like - the caterham kicked the Ferrari into next week. . Top speed is irelevant on that track - it's about cornering speed. You're the dumbass.
@tuner1967 it is weight that affects handling more than engine lay-out. The Caterham is extremely light which means it needs less power and therefore a really small engine meaning less weight on the front wheels which improves turn-in response. Also if you want to get technical, the engine in the caterham is mounted almost entirely BEHIND the front axle, thus making it a mid-engine car.
@tuner1967 you think caterhams handle bad?you clearly need to do some research,as a well driven caterham can woop a superbike on a country lane,never mind a car,i admit its not fun doing 140 in one!
For sheer fun, that caterham looks like a blast! Just being out on the track like this looks amazing and makes me wish I were there! Though, I would have some supercharged Ariel Atom if I had the resources. Then, I would probably kill myself. But, that's fine because you wouldn't be able to take my helmut off due to the huge smile from ear to ear pressing the helmut in place and must be barried with it as is. Yes, that is what would happen.
that caterham is a superlight r500 (265 bhp and weights around 1000 lbs or less than 500 kg) it has the same power to weight of the f40 so yes it is faster (at least under 120 mph) so in track its a lot more fun because you spend like 50 grand on your car and not 500.. lightweights are the way to go man..
The F40 is an LM version, you can hear him short shifting, he's no way near push ing it. as for Caterham being designed by Colin Chapman the "genius" lol Colin Chapman caused more serious F1 accidents in his short era than anyone else. Not sure if he qualifies as a "genius" for that lol. The F40 was the best of it's tome and still is a pheonominal car in any terms...
Champman was a genius. He pioneered wings, ground effect, advertisement, and winning the championship on a very tight budget. Now go and lol while you try something similar.....
+ i'm pretty sure the F40 in this vid is an LM, due to the different rear wing and side intakes... + the decals.
so to be fair... there's absolutely no way that the caterham should be quicker - given a decent driver in the F40. if it's an LM then it should have over 800 bhp, reasonable downforce and presumably slick tyres... with that in mind... the guy in the F40 looks like he's out for a sunday cruise.
@ Philmen, when you get your Ferrari, make sure you don't try it on with a Caterham...unless you are on a long enough straight, otherwise the Caterham will make the Ferrari look a complete donkey. Of course you did know the Caterham was originally a Lotus, designed by it's founder Colin Chapman; automotive engineering genius and the most innovative F1 designer in history...
er....what? Do you even know what the F40 is? If you don't, here's an experiment you can try.
Go find a plastic garbage bin, flip it over, and sit on it. Sit on it for 24 hours straight.
That's about how comfortable the F40 is. As for options, there aren't any. There are no carpets, nothing to hide the pedals, no interior panels, no radio, no air conditioning (I think) and the car is abut as comfortable as standing on your head.
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granted rain driving would suck, but caterham's are quite safe; they have a nice cage and survive insane crashes quite well. just look up "caterham crash" and see for yourself.
As for the F40 vs argument; nobody buys a F40 for convenience bad weather handling or even pure performance; you buy one to draw attention away from your pencil dick...
I'd go caterham, atom. xbow, radical sr* etc. long before buying a 200K penile replacement....
Not sure who got it into their head that people who like a car and can afford it have small penises... it's a rather foolish thing to say.
...and yes, you DO buy an F40 for the performance, that is what it was designed for. It doesn't even have carpeting or door handles. It has a 2.9L V8 engine... that is a tiny V8, straight up F1 technology. Not to mention the looks... the thing is bonkers. It's got three exhaust pipes for crying out loud!
My point is, around here people who buy ferrari's, lambos etc. mostly drive them on busy boullevards on friday and saturday nights, as slowly as possible to make sure their 65+ yr old asses are seen driving their status symbols by as many people as possible.
Those same nights, if you go to the local track you'll see S2k's, 240's, miatas, wrx's, vw's, audi's etc. doing what the "prancing horces" were designed to do...
that farrari was not racing a top of the line caterham. That farrari also cost over 200K american, caterhams cost only 60 k american, really 50 but im adding 10k for transport from england. With an engine modification to raise bhp to over 500 you have a car that breaks track records in nearly every field from 0-60 to road courses, i'll take soemthing superiour for 80 k over inferior bs for 200k.
But the other car is a ferrari, with a roof and other creature comforts. Plus its a ferrari, so people will looka t you and say, holy shit hes got a ferrari, not wtf is that? Not dissing the caterham but id take the ferrari if given the choice.
what is that over there, like 5 litres? sorry but I think in gallons and dollars. If thats the same as putting in 10 dollars for about 4 gallons, then i understand what you mean.
45GBP (75USD) would get u about 40 liters (10.5 US gallons) of 95 octane petrol in the UK. (Though I guess the Ferrari needs slightly more expensive 97octane)
10 gallons isn't much for a Ferrari which makes less than 10mpg even if you drive like an undertaker.
1.10 GBP/l is about 6.50 USD/gallon
I think that's about 2.5x what u pay for petrol in the USA, is it?
Have you ever heard the company motto - 'too fast to race'? Caterhams were so good they were banned from most forms of motorsport. Obviously I have one :-)
Hehe exactly, a four cylinder that actually sounds really EXCITING!
Probably one of the best, but don't forget the sound of Mk1 and Mk1 Escort RS2000's !
In racing or rally spec those also revved high (up to 9k me thinks or maybe higher) and also sounded awesome!
Again on this Caterham.. So is this what we know today as CSR260 or...I'm bit nitpicking about un-important stuff, but i really love this Colin Chapman masterpiece!
In the vid it has the "old" dashboard, not like modern csr & r500.
Like in any car you have to pay extra money for luxeries... Ok in a caterham is even a heater an optional extra but you don´t need becouse of the heat of it´s engine which is right beside of your legs! :) So you have to pay for anything in this car even for a new revcounter and speedometer.
Ferrari fans always have an excuse when their beloved (but flabby arsed) Ferraris are shown up. Face facts, Ferraris aren't the fastest cars out there. Have you seen the electric car vs the Ferrari here on Youtube. It's hilarious.
You're the one who's ignoring facts. The F40 is a 20-30 year old sports coupé. It wasn't intended for competition but it fared reasonably through privateers. It makes sense that this - a death-wish crumple zone-less go-kart with suspensions - will beat a car with a 20-years-older suspension design and a worse power-per-weight ratio in a non-competitive weekend track day. Really, do you know anything about cars? At all?
Also, the "electric car versus Ferrari" video is another similar misleading example. First, all they did was a drag race, and the guy in the Ferrari decides that peeling at the start is a better idea than actually accelerating. A non-working example. Second, the Atom is half a car - no top, no place to put anything; a street-legal track car. The Ferrari is a non-race-formatted street car specifically outfitted to be comfortable for day-to-day use.
Lastly, the Atom was an electric car. The extra torque may help in a straight line (and didn't someone say it was AWD?), but the shit-ton of weight that the electric battery (and motor, possibly) adds means it'd be much closer to - if not beaten by - the Ferrari on an actual course.
Bottom line? If you want to crush people on a track at the expense of crushing yourself if you crash - in addition to having a car without any kind of real road usability, and the unknown reliability of some third-party manufacturer, you can go ahead and buy an Atom or a Caterham. If you have the cash, and you want something that will actually protect you in a crash while still being a good track machine and having noted reliability, you can buy a Ferrari. Or really, any real sports car.
Funny how you don't mention the price difference between these 2 cars. Top of the range Caterham is about £30,000. A ferrari F40 is going to set you back AT LEAST quarter of a million. Caterham wins on speed AND value!
Why blatantly risk your life on a recreational day at the track?
Modern racing is built with safety in mind. A man can't build a legacy if he dies within his first few races in a fender-bender and a team can't win if it needs new, unfamiliar-to-their-vehicle drivers all the time, ignoring all empathy-related issues.
Why make excuses for the Ferrari? All these cars are built for nothing but speed. How they achieve it is immaterial. The only thing that matters is that the electric car & the caterham win & the Ferrari loses.
First of all, a car that cannot maintain speed is still slow. How long do you think this third-party Caterham is going to last? Or the Atom? How would it do in an endurance race? Ferrari has a history of winning enduros, and still does with the F430. This car hasn't won anythingl And judging from the Atom's spin-out during the very simple autocross session at the end of the video, it won't beat the F40 on a track, much less a modern Ferrari.
So seeing as the performance is therefore the same, if not better, with the Ferrari, let's see what you get for the extra 200K. Reliability, looks (really, this is just a tube with headlights), safety (you won't die if you get in a 40kph collision), comfort, and prestige (It's a Ferrari).
The F40 isn't good looking. Who gives a shit about prestige. You're just one of those sycophantic Ferrari fans who kiss Ferrari's butt no matter what they do.
with a cheap trackday rollcage installed, caterhams are one of the safest sports cars out there. ferraris, porsches etc will crush, bend, etc, while I have seen caterhams get airbone 140mph+, roll several times, and the driver walk away. Face it, caterhams are faster than most anything and are as cheap as a nice luxury sedan
I'm not saying it isn't fast. I'm saying that it's a rickety death trap and that you get what you pay for in some way or another - in this case, it's safety, daily usability, and (probably) reliability. The same goes for almost anything you will ever spend money on.
Just because the Caterham can roll over with a rollcage and leave its driver alive doesn't mean it's safe. With the improvement of safety-cage resilience, it's deceleration that will most likely kill you in an accident, not structural damage.
You miserable sod!!! People drive these cars for the thrill. It may be dangerous but that adds to the adrenaline rush you get when you drive such a lightweight and agile sports car. There are few cars which handle as well as a caterham.
It's the same "thrill" people get from bungee-jumping. Not really doing much but risking your life.
I would much, much rather trade some entertainment (manoeuvrability increase) for not-dying-in-a-potential-accident. I suppose everyone is entitled to their own tastes.
What utter bullshit. You can call the Caterham many things but to call it slow is pure lunacy. How do you know the Caterham isnt going to last anyway? It uses a Ford engine. far more reliable than a highly strung Ferrari engine.
i was hoping he would hit the red button on the dash board and scream TURBO BOOST!!!! and everything woud become all blurry....
Senioritis012 4 days ago
Like @mrcheeseface says, the F40 is worth so much he is just on. Sunday relaxing drive!
wizsoft 2 months ago
The Ferrari driver is a shit.
coelhoteixeira 2 months ago
beautiful!
cxbra 3 months ago
caterham - for sissies. thing is just a go kart.
2girls1freak 4 months ago
the caterham and the F40 have one similarity
they're offer the same driving comfort
onpsxmember 5 months ago 2
lol
renorti 6 months ago
The catheram is awesome, but I suspect that the Ferrari driver is either inexperienced or doesn't want to risk anything in his car. He is taking those turns really slowly and the only time that Ferrari seems to be doing any kind of racing speed is in the straight. He is breaking early, missing the apex in most turns. So I don't think it's a real race, however, I think the catheram is a much better choice for this kind of things. Fast and inexpensive.
feszty 6 months ago
@feszty unless u can afford an F40 that is
rafa281 5 months ago
Cant believe this is at PPIR! Awesome, btw ive got a Caterham r400 half built in my garage right now :)
FocSrallyX 7 months ago
@FocSrallyX Woo-hoo PPIR! Vintage racing at the end of October(2011)!!
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FocSrallyX 3 months ago
I'll take either... for completely different reasons. Caterham would be sheer exhilaration, but the Ferrari is an actual CAR. Ferrari could build something like the Caterham, easily. They don't want to and the company would have all kinds of internal disagreements if they started the idea. But the technology? Please, they could build something better than the Caterham in that same layout.
abbeykroeter 7 months ago
@abbeykroeter That's half of what makes the Caterham so cool...the design is from the Fifties, and it's STILL kicking ass and taking names. I'd take the Cat' over any Ferrari; it does what it does WITHOUT a half-million worth of technology to help it. Of the two, I'd say the Cat' is more "car" than any Ferrari.
*Not that I dislike Ferraris, I just prefer the Caterham. David vs Goliath, and all that. Nice to see a 4-banger kicking the shite out of multi-hundred-K V-12's...even motorcycles!
justforever96 7 months ago
@justforever96 Agreed!!! (F40 has a twin turbo V8 BTW) :-)
SuperBentley88 4 months ago
@SuperBentley88 Sure, I wasn't specifically talking about the F40 when I said V12...I was thinking of other videos I've seen of Caterhams blowing various vehicles away. Either way, a twin-turbo V8 vs a natural-aspiration four-banger is something to see.
justforever96 4 months ago
Why can't we love both cars for what they are? Sure, I could spend an entire day just staring at the Peninfarina-penned lines of the F40, as it is an amazingly beautiful automobile, and, fifteen years ago, was the fastest in the world. Fifteen years later, though, something CAN be said about the engineering that has made it possible to bring performance that can trump that to the (almost) common man. Give credit where it's due, I have room in my heart for both.
xxsmokeymcpotxx 8 months ago 2
no roll cage?
rw5791 8 months ago
Great noises from both cars.
Arthurzeiro 9 months ago
go Caterham !
sean050483 9 months ago
Need to kick the habit of shuffling the wheel through your hands, have them at 10 and 2 or 9 and 3.
Groinsome 10 months ago
If I owned an F40, I definitely wouldn't be driving it to the limit on a track unless I was a hell of a driver with the skill to handle a machine like that. With no traction control, driving an extremely high performance mid-engined car beyond your skill threshold is almost suicide. I'm sure the F40 driver in this video knows that pretty well.
jlthiess 10 months ago
you can see the guy in the f40 is driving no way near it''s limit. Think about the damage costs etc
MrCheeseface1000 10 months ago
@kevintomb
Well, I know a Golf should not have any chance... but search for "Caterham versus Golf" and see..
These videos are fun wathing, but you can't think they really show which car is doing better.. there's all private drivers with very different driving skills.. just because they can afford a race car it's not said that they know how to drive it fast... no matter if Golf, F40 or Ford Focus try to race the Caterham :)
minidisk75 11 months ago
@minidisk75 I just went and looked, and the thing that isn't mentioned is that was a (very) novice driver playing around (not racing) a stripped Golf (800kg) with a blown Audi engine, sequential gearbox, and full slicks. Not really a "Golf" at all. Might as well say that you saw a Porsche beaten by a Renault Megane, while leaving out that it was a Megane Trophy full-spec race car (which might not beat a GT3 even so).
justforever96 7 months ago
what's your problem, guys? don't you think, it also depents, just a little bit maybe, on the driver? there's videos where a fu**ing vw golf beats a caterham.. so what? give me an F40 and watch everyone beating an F40... :)
minidisk75 11 months ago 21
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Where is this video? No golf is even close to what the caterham can do. Caterham is pretty much as fast as the fastest cars made. Yes the driver makes a difference. Only a great driver can get the most out of a caterham as its a very high powered and has incredible grip.
kevintomb 11 months ago
@minidisk75 a tuned vw golf is able to beat a ferrari f40. truth is, caterham is superior to ferrari in every way. it doesn't depend on the driver.
ImpressivePilot 2 months ago
Both wonderful cars. But since I don't care about comfort, I'll take the Caterham please.
mcgherkinstudios 1 year ago
Face palm HA! Well I see You didn't read what i said to "dickiesbike 1"
What I'm getting at is; comparing an F40 and a Caterham is like pitting a skateboard against a shopping cart! They are TWO ENTIRELY DIFFERENT BEASTS! Read down four posts and see the facts!!
The Caterham has some of The WORST aerodynamics of any production car, while the F40 is covered in curves and NACA ducts. The Caterham really slides more than it turns. Power to weight the Caterham wins. The stats are all there just look
Shegal1535 1 year ago
Think you'll find that's PGR4 on the Xbox, folled me for a second to. lol
80BSY 1 year ago
it's all about one thing!
Power:weight
F40=over 400bhp/ton (nothing shy of amazing)
Caterham R500 500bhp/ton (thus the "500" in the name)
Got to remember though, The ferrari (stock) is carrying power leather seats, heater, stereo, etc.
One's a luxury super-car and the other is a thorough bred race machine Go-Kart disguised as street legal sunday driver!
Shegal1535 1 year ago
@Shegal1535 The F40 has a bare carbon interior, no ac, no leather or anything. Do some research. 478 hp and it weighs a shade over a ton with a driver.
dickiesbike1 1 year ago
@dickiesbike1 Alright research done:
It doesn't have an AC, and the seats aren't Power leather, stereos are after market add ons.
Caterham R500 superlight...1,115.5 lbs.vs F40's 2,425
R500 with the new Duratec...263 bhp.....vs F40's 471bhp
Bhp/ton.....R500-520 vs F40-400
My point is this, The R500 doesn't carry any glass, roof or doors.
One is midengine 50:50 balance the other is well a mess
Not a fair comparison!
P.S. its not bare carbon there are two BIG red upholstered seats and carpet
Shegal1535 1 year ago 3
@Shegal1535 God your comments about the F40 make me face palm. Don't defend it when you don't know anything about it.
P.S. I love the F40, and the Caterham is a nice track car.
LaenPvP 1 year ago
@dickiesbike1
F40 does have AC. That's actually the only luxury you get with this car.
xuser48 1 year ago
@Shegal1535
No. F40 does not have a radio. No fancy seats. No inboard door handle; you open it by pulling a wire.
The only luxury is AC. The wall between the engine bay and the cabin is so thin and unisolated that heat from the engine bay passes right through.
xuser48 1 year ago
@xuser48 Alright ! Fuck me! you guys have proven your point, and obviously no one managed to pull mine down through all this BS. I Said "unfair comparison" and all you guys saw was "Stereo" and thought WRONG!!! well you've convinced me of one thing Posting comments is an invitation for 13 year old boys to fill you email inbox with You-Tube notifications...total waste of time.
Shegal1535 1 year ago
@Shegal1535 This is hilarious; but really, I feel for ya, man. I'm going to consciously ignore every word in your post except "email." ...What?!! The F40 doesn't have email!! It doesn't have a stereo. It's surround sound, you jerk! If you want a car with email, go buy a computer ....and put wheels on it.
auntjemima52 1 year ago
From safety point of view - Caterham looks like death capsule, coffin on weels.
keldn 1 year ago
I like the R300 Caterham body, but i'd have to swap the 2 liter Ford engine out of it. I'd put in a turbocharged straight six or maybe even a Subaru 4 cyl . Look up STI ATV~its a subaru engine with an atv body mated to fit and its fucking beast ,full boost ,20 inch wheels , classic scooby growl and bov......
gabealexander88 1 year ago
@gabealexander88 You cannot fit a straight six as it is far too long, a boxer is too wide. But then again, you could modify one, making it longer but you will probably lose out in handling big time with heavier engines.
jcadlols 1 year ago
Caterhams are about as aerodynamic as a brick.
JasonTyberiusKirk 1 year ago
agreed. they are fairly aerodynamic. the car has such a small frontal surface area it doesn't really matter if it's a brick, no matter what, if it disturbs less air, it's more aerodynamic. now if you scaled a lotus up to the size of a typical car then yes, it would probably be considered not very aerodynamic
happymerc 1 year ago
its not really chasing the fezza, more like being held up by the fezza
H22A7 1 year ago 2
You can't compare a fast go-kart with a Ferrari F40...
kilagon10 1 year ago
'av' it! :-)
Turino's finest v's bits of old Ford put together in some blokes shed.
TheLiquidKnight 1 year ago
Looks pretty evenly matched, just the F40 driver has terrible lines.
Runiteshark 1 year ago
You really cant compare a Super go Kart that weighs half as much as a F40 to really anything but other go carts.. thats like comparing the Radical to a two seater... Lame.. and epic fail. In the end sure the Catbox is fast, but still a freaking POS kit car.. Ferrari F40= EPIC beauty.
JuergenGDB 1 year ago
i feel for that catty, i HATE when my 2 liter gets stuck behind a ferrari v8... hahaha
PooPoo2U 1 year ago
geil so hätt ich das auch gemacht, epic overtaking I meant, wollte mal was mit
dem Lotus 7 (Caterham) machen, hat aba no it hingehauen, egal irgendwann
mach i mal bei einem Memorial mit
KarachoHacho 1 year ago
wow that speed with no rollcage .. he is a bit on the crazy side
ZachMitch1994 1 year ago
caterham = track rapist
ilikeimports 1 year ago
OMG who is driving that F40?? Grandma maybe?? he is not hitting the appex at all!!
milvio42 1 year ago
Nailed it! :)
austerace 1 year ago
Nice weather anyways, so really caterham took advantage of this and made the car to suit this. Plus, I don't care what kind of car enthusiast you are, if you say you wouldn't like to drive this car at least one time, you're lying to everyone and yourself included.
Fordtrck86 1 year ago
I really don't know why people insist on knocking cars that they've probably never even seen in person, let alone drive. Each car is better than every other car in one way. The Caterham happens to be extremely fast around a track. But, pretty much any car beats a caterham when it comes to having a radio. The car is hard to compare really. Also whoever said,"A real car has 4 doors, a top, can be driven in snow and rain" Is dumb. If you owned a car that fast, you wouldn't drive it except for in
Fordtrck86 1 year ago
Real car vs Italian crapmobile, what do you expect?
varflane 1 year ago
@varflane @varflane Italian crapmobile? you truly have no idea! please get something resembling a clue before you post stupid comments. The F40 is one of the rawest most hardcore Ferraris EVER produced..
jomokariuki 1 year ago
@varflane Real car???? The caterham is great for the track, but a real car has doors, sides, at least a convertible top, windshield, etc... This is a moddified go cart. Real cars can drive in the rain or cold and transport passengers or luggage. As for the F-40, it is one of the all-time great supercars. Get a clue.
giantmidget08 1 year ago
@giantmidget08 Cough, Cough, Caterhams are convertible, have a wind shield and can be driven in the rain, probably better then the F40 can.
RecklessDrift 1 year ago
@RecklessDrift OK, watch the video again. this car has a 3 inch windscreen, no doors, sides and clearly no way of attaching any type of convertible top as it has no windscreen pillars. This is a very fast go cart and not a fully functioning car.
giantmidget08 1 year ago
@giantmidget08 You don't get my point.
Definition of car according to the English dictionary: a motor vehicle with four wheels; usually propelled by an internal combustion engine.
Therefore this IS a fully functioning car, Granted it is not road legal in its current configuration, but I suspect, like many people who drive Caterhams on track-days, he has removed the windscreen and put the aero piece on instead ect ect(pretty sure the convertible attaches to the top of the regular windscreen)
RecklessDrift 1 year ago
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@RecklessDrift Yeah and so is a motorcycle with 4 wheels... this is a POS go kart kit car... only someone who is a fanboy of this car would consider this a piece of art or worthy of saying its a actual car... piece of junk that needs to have its own section for the Green Hell.. shit any car that weighs 1200lbs with a decent engine is going to be fast.. Caterham = EPIC Fail.. ugly piece of crap. but thumbs up for inginuity.
JuergenGDB 1 year ago
@JuergenGDB Would like to point out that at no point did i say the caterham is a pretty car, i agree its very ugly...
RecklessDrift 1 year ago
@JuergenGDB POS "Go kart kit car"
That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard.
cyberhendrix 1 year ago
@JuergenGDB full of hate much? calm down mate. its just a car, one that happens to go like mad #LOL
worldtravel101 1 year ago 2
@worldtravel101 Its not that Iam full of hate... Its just the ludicracy of people trying to compare a Legend to a gokart. I know the car is English, so there is some bias.. but really, the Caterham is not even in the same Orbit as a F40. I saw a Caterham here in the states, sure I recogonize its fast, it weighs next to nothing, has an engine... wow.. but its ugly as sin. I can strip down a Mustang and make it just as fast.
JuergenGDB 1 year ago
@JuergenGDB Interesting. You are aware that the Caterham is a classic too? If you're unfamiliar, it was originally the Lotus Seven, and I think goes back to the early sixties, and allowed more people to access motorsport. It's pedigree far predates the F40. As to strippin down a 'Stang, good luck! It'll only be as a fast in a straight line, then the dynamics of the Caterham will kick it into orbit.
migasson 1 year ago
@migasson I agree that the Caterham has racing pedigree however comparing it to an F40 as far as being a classic is foolhardy. The Caterham is simply a kit car Lotus Seven. Perhaps if an original Super Seven was facing off against the F40 it could be a battle of classics. The F40 is one of a few pieces of automotive history representing the first turbocharged Ferrari, and an absolute monster at that. I wonder if the Driver of the F40 was really pushing it...
SmokeyTh3Bear 1 year ago
@giantmidget08 they all attach on... ive been in one
soarer205 1 year ago
@giantmidget08 Then you dont know what this car is. Its based on a lotus 7 from the 50s, this is a road legal car, doesn need doors as the sides you step over. This is far larger than a go-cart, if youve never seen one in person or driven one, its a small sports car, that goes quite well. Its well over 1000 lbs and seats 2 and has seat belts, lights fenders the whole deal...geez..read up some.!
kevintomb 1 year ago
@RecklessDrift Lol, I love everything you just said.
jesuschrist18 1 year ago
Boring track but i'd gladly sit in that Caterham behind that Ferrari F40 all day long and listen to both engines!
beanhead1996 1 year ago
bye bye ferrari
Lilou772 1 year ago 2
very nice video.
bobbyfastjr 1 year ago
a damn fine car if it wasn't so ridiculous looking... ugly from the outside. and even when you're in it, you still have to suffer from the sight of those front lights.
hansiipansii 1 year ago
i think caterham should put a straight-6 in one of their cars, that would be sick... maybe a 2JZ, that would be insaaanely quick =D
dan19evans 1 year ago
put ferrari engine into caterham.
needleonthevinyl 1 year ago
Ma se ti ha fatto passare idiota.
Piasintei71 1 year ago
Walsteadhouse, What I'm trying to say is there are other alternatives to stodgy and traditional for the less money and effort. A Cobra kit car with a stroked 500 hp V8, or how about a 405hp 2002 C5 ZO6 with the body removed and a tacked on roll cage, that would create a vehicle to scare the bejesus out of you. The ZO6 could be converted over a long weekend and save you $15K over the cost of a Chopped Ham. Camilla Parker Bowles over Princess Di, REALLY.........?
4lostinamerica 1 year ago
@4lostinamerica none of those cars will handle as well as the Caterham. Americans such as yourself can lord yourselves over others in your attractive posermobiles, but true car enthusiasts will get past the looks and be moved by the EXPERIENCE! (btw I don't even own a car, my only transportation is a motorbike, and if you're asking, Ducati Multistrada 1000).
StigRossi 1 year ago
Walsteadhouse, Are you saying Americans have poor taste because we think an Aston Martin is beautiful and your Catered Ham with the Tweed Exterior option not so much? The only Americans that I know who would think the Canned Ham is remotely attractive are guys who thought Benny Hill was Prime Minister and still live in their parents basement.
4lostinamerica 1 year ago
How can the British build some of the most beautiful cars in the world and then think this box of non matching parts can be the slightest bit attractive? Sure you can make a fast car by putting a V8 on a skateboard, but I think the not so "Hot Shoe" in the F40 was laughing so hard at what was in his rearview mirror, he had to pull over for medical reasons. I'm sorry, but driving this car, you couldn't get laid in a Monkey House with a bag full of bananas .
4lostinamerica 1 year ago
@4lostinamerica There's your answer. You want to get laid by monkeys while the we, the Brits are kicking the stuffing out of a pretentious overrated Italian toy. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Give me the rawcaterham experience over the Ferrari any day. You go back to your monkeys - and good luck. Beauty is the eye of the boholder for them too - your Bananas won't be enough.
WALSTEADH0USE 1 year ago
O n just because it's enjine is at the front doesn't mean it has bad handling, just means it's a bit tail happy. But if u know how to race a car that thing will out corner pritty much anything!!! Fact.
1521209383 1 year ago
It may not be the best when it comes to top speed but it will still go road the top gear track faster than a million pound bugatti veyron!!! So I wouldn't knock it to much.
1521209383 1 year ago
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no way kid. do you know what ferrari is? f40 ,f50,enzo -tree best cars in world. ferrari driver on this tape is rookie or he let that pice of shit caterham let this lap won, but caterham driver put it on youtube
tuner1967 1 year ago
Obviously you dont know that a caterham is also a very high performance car. The caterham does 0-60 in 3.7 seconds and the f40 does it in 3.8. the ferrari f40 was one of the top super cars in THE LATE 80's AND EARLY 90's. The caterham out performs the f40. If this were an f50 or enzo the caterham would not have won. You are a dumbass.
TheHulk523 1 year ago 2
caterham is superlightweight car. that cind of cars are not good at very high speeds, and caterham has engine at fron-that makes him bad handle, but f40 is super car with MR- engine at midlle-which has great handle type. you are dumbass kid
tuner1967 1 year ago
@tuner1967 Say what you like - the caterham kicked the Ferrari into next week. . Top speed is irelevant on that track - it's about cornering speed. You're the dumbass.
WALSTEADH0USE 1 year ago
@tuner1967 it is weight that affects handling more than engine lay-out. The Caterham is extremely light which means it needs less power and therefore a really small engine meaning less weight on the front wheels which improves turn-in response. Also if you want to get technical, the engine in the caterham is mounted almost entirely BEHIND the front axle, thus making it a mid-engine car.
dmac1390 1 year ago
@tuner1967 you think caterhams handle bad?you clearly need to do some research,as a well driven caterham can woop a superbike on a country lane,never mind a car,i admit its not fun doing 140 in one!
sidewayssam 1 year ago
wow that is hard meat ! the caterham costs £30,000+ ,man thats cheap for F40 beatin shit
superbrad1100 1 year ago
that shit looks dangerous to me. does this thing have a roll cage of some sort?
livewoutlimit 1 year ago
@livewoutlimit
yes but search at google - pictures - caterham & than u know how it looks like
HudstylOr 1 year ago
For sheer fun, that caterham looks like a blast! Just being out on the track like this looks amazing and makes me wish I were there! Though, I would have some supercharged Ariel Atom if I had the resources. Then, I would probably kill myself. But, that's fine because you wouldn't be able to take my helmut off due to the huge smile from ear to ear pressing the helmut in place and must be barried with it as is. Yes, that is what would happen.
SpiaggiaVita 1 year ago 25
F40 LM nice
timboness1 1 year ago
that caterham is a superlight r500 (265 bhp and weights around 1000 lbs or less than 500 kg) it has the same power to weight of the f40 so yes it is faster (at least under 120 mph) so in track its a lot more fun because you spend like 50 grand on your car and not 500.. lightweights are the way to go man..
gonzalo85 1 year ago 2
The F40 is an LM version, you can hear him short shifting, he's no way near push ing it. as for Caterham being designed by Colin Chapman the "genius" lol Colin Chapman caused more serious F1 accidents in his short era than anyone else. Not sure if he qualifies as a "genius" for that lol. The F40 was the best of it's tome and still is a pheonominal car in any terms...
MrFiat131 1 year ago
Champman was a genius. He pioneered wings, ground effect, advertisement, and winning the championship on a very tight budget. Now go and lol while you try something similar.....
ceSniperFactor 1 year ago
+ i'm pretty sure the F40 in this vid is an LM, due to the different rear wing and side intakes... + the decals.
so to be fair... there's absolutely no way that the caterham should be quicker - given a decent driver in the F40. if it's an LM then it should have over 800 bhp, reasonable downforce and presumably slick tyres... with that in mind... the guy in the F40 looks like he's out for a sunday cruise.
trackspeed 1 year ago 2
@ Philmen, when you get your Ferrari, make sure you don't try it on with a Caterham...unless you are on a long enough straight, otherwise the Caterham will make the Ferrari look a complete donkey. Of course you did know the Caterham was originally a Lotus, designed by it's founder Colin Chapman; automotive engineering genius and the most innovative F1 designer in history...
GrummanBearcat 1 year ago
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caterham = piece of shit Ferrari = master piece
Philmen 2 years ago
Ferrari = unnaffordable to 99 % of population
Caterham = does same thing as Ferrari for 1/10 the price
omamder5 1 year ago 2
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Caterham is a toy compared to the Ferrari which has a lot of options and comfort.
Philmen 1 year ago
lol.... a lot of options? the F40 doesn't even have a radio...
trackspeed 1 year ago 24
@trackspeed It doesn't even have door handles actually!
zepedrofd 1 year ago
@trackspeed good one ;d
unrealman657 1 year ago
@trackspeed Yes it does ...its connected to the headers lol
gabealexander88 1 year ago
@trackspeed
true.. the F40 doesn't have a radio but you can get so much more pussy with it then the Caterham.
R0o0g3r 9 months ago
er....what? Do you even know what the F40 is? If you don't, here's an experiment you can try.
Go find a plastic garbage bin, flip it over, and sit on it. Sit on it for 24 hours straight.
That's about how comfortable the F40 is. As for options, there aren't any. There are no carpets, nothing to hide the pedals, no interior panels, no radio, no air conditioning (I think) and the car is abut as comfortable as standing on your head.
omamder5 1 year ago
I am not talking especially about the F40 but about a Ferrari .
The f40 has some options , and at least has A ROOF.
Philmen 1 year ago
Most Caterhams come with a ragtop. That would be a roof.
screamosux 1 year ago
@omamder5
US Market F40s do have A/C. That's the solitary concession to comfort in a car that is otherwise 100% built for hauling ass and nothing else.
cmccarthy 1 year ago
Right. You've never seen an F40, have you?
peter94e 1 year ago
I saw one at a Ferrari meeting some months ago... Why ?
Philmen 1 year ago
wow.listen to that ferrari on the straight
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FriendlyDriver 2 years ago
Nice camparison
FXR786 2 years ago
What a boring track
andyglb 2 years ago 39
@andyglb That's what happens when you go racing in America.
deejaymode 1 year ago
@andyglb better than nothing....
dbl84 1 year ago
Best buy a Volvo then......
Then you'll br nice and safe...... Board shitless but safe
big500 2 years ago 5
Well put lol
cyberhendrix 2 years ago
@big500 The Volvo P1800 was a very cool car.
And have you seen what some people can do in a Volvo 850 turbo?
zoobtoob 1 year ago
I would like how they do in the rain.lol caterham looks like a very unsafe car. Would hate to have to drive in the rain or crash in that thing!!!
kciaccio 2 years ago
granted rain driving would suck, but caterham's are quite safe; they have a nice cage and survive insane crashes quite well. just look up "caterham crash" and see for yourself.
As for the F40 vs argument; nobody buys a F40 for convenience bad weather handling or even pure performance; you buy one to draw attention away from your pencil dick...
I'd go caterham, atom. xbow, radical sr* etc. long before buying a 200K penile replacement....
aflipz 2 years ago
Not sure who got it into their head that people who like a car and can afford it have small penises... it's a rather foolish thing to say.
...and yes, you DO buy an F40 for the performance, that is what it was designed for. It doesn't even have carpeting or door handles. It has a 2.9L V8 engine... that is a tiny V8, straight up F1 technology. Not to mention the looks... the thing is bonkers. It's got three exhaust pipes for crying out loud!
Also, they're more like $400k - $600k.
ElhaymRabbit 2 years ago
My point is, around here people who buy ferrari's, lambos etc. mostly drive them on busy boullevards on friday and saturday nights, as slowly as possible to make sure their 65+ yr old asses are seen driving their status symbols by as many people as possible.
Those same nights, if you go to the local track you'll see S2k's, 240's, miatas, wrx's, vw's, audi's etc. doing what the "prancing horces" were designed to do...
aflipz 2 years ago 3
@ElhaymRabbit you forgot two turbochargers from your engine spec list...
garhailija 2 years ago
I would buy an F40 because its an amazing car. It also has the briliant prancing stallion on the there and oh, its a Ferrari.
Nothing to do with my microscopic dick.
cyberhendrix 2 years ago 8
Don't crash it!!! LOL
TheSchumi4ever 2 years ago
that farrari was not racing a top of the line caterham. That farrari also cost over 200K american, caterhams cost only 60 k american, really 50 but im adding 10k for transport from england. With an engine modification to raise bhp to over 500 you have a car that breaks track records in nearly every field from 0-60 to road courses, i'll take soemthing superiour for 80 k over inferior bs for 200k.
azreal289 2 years ago
But the other car is a ferrari, with a roof and other creature comforts. Plus its a ferrari, so people will looka t you and say, holy shit hes got a ferrari, not wtf is that? Not dissing the caterham but id take the ferrari if given the choice.
Slothrop91 2 years ago
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both drivers suck. especially the ferrari.
junoseki 2 years ago
Nothing better than caning your kitcars arse and wiping the floor of all other track users ;) Good job.
02uksam 2 years ago 2
I saw a Ferrari F40 yesterday on the petrol station forecourt, it was absolutely STUNNING. He only put £45 in the tank tho lol
Doo0ne 2 years ago
what is that over there, like 5 litres? sorry but I think in gallons and dollars. If thats the same as putting in 10 dollars for about 4 gallons, then i understand what you mean.
azreal289 2 years ago
45GBP (75USD) would get u about 40 liters (10.5 US gallons) of 95 octane petrol in the UK. (Though I guess the Ferrari needs slightly more expensive 97octane)
10 gallons isn't much for a Ferrari which makes less than 10mpg even if you drive like an undertaker.
1.10 GBP/l is about 6.50 USD/gallon
I think that's about 2.5x what u pay for petrol in the USA, is it?
Molo9000 2 years ago
You can't beat power to weight radio not even with a ferrari :)
3L3CTR0static 2 years ago
Have you ever heard the company motto - 'too fast to race'? Caterhams were so good they were banned from most forms of motorsport. Obviously I have one :-)
MolecularMark 2 years ago
I'm getting a feeling I'm being trolled. I'm done here.
Barcode711 2 years ago
Caterhams rule!
grassingtongreen 2 years ago
pissed all over that ferrari
atreewithnolife 2 years ago
Anyone has idea what engine this one uses?
simematejure 2 years ago
2.3 l stright four cosworth engine... 260 BHP and only 500 kilos.
klramon 2 years ago
...which corresponds to CSR 260 specs.
I asked because video looked kinda old-ish, didn't know when the CSR 260 production started.
If the video is old, that is :)
I first tought this one uses some K-series variant, perhaps 1.8 VVC or maybe that Vauxhall btcc engine...
Again if the video is old :D
...thanks for the info!
simematejure 2 years ago
Yes it is a cosworth engine and it has meybe one of the best sounds of four cylinders. And yeah it is a highrev one! :)
you are welcome!
klramon 2 years ago
Hehe exactly, a four cylinder that actually sounds really EXCITING!
Probably one of the best, but don't forget the sound of Mk1 and Mk1 Escort RS2000's !
In racing or rally spec those also revved high (up to 9k me thinks or maybe higher) and also sounded awesome!
Again on this Caterham.. So is this what we know today as CSR260 or...I'm bit nitpicking about un-important stuff, but i really love this Colin Chapman masterpiece!
In the vid it has the "old" dashboard, not like modern csr & r500.
simematejure 2 years ago
Like in any car you have to pay extra money for luxeries... Ok in a caterham is even a heater an optional extra but you don´t need becouse of the heat of it´s engine which is right beside of your legs! :) So you have to pay for anything in this car even for a new revcounter and speedometer.
klramon 2 years ago
I love seeing Ferraris destroyed.
digbycurrents 2 years ago 2
You mean you like seeing old cars and incompetents being beaten by skilled drivers in modern sports/race cars.
Barcode711 2 years ago
Ferrari fans always have an excuse when their beloved (but flabby arsed) Ferraris are shown up. Face facts, Ferraris aren't the fastest cars out there. Have you seen the electric car vs the Ferrari here on Youtube. It's hilarious.
grahamblood 2 years ago
You're the one who's ignoring facts. The F40 is a 20-30 year old sports coupé. It wasn't intended for competition but it fared reasonably through privateers. It makes sense that this - a death-wish crumple zone-less go-kart with suspensions - will beat a car with a 20-years-older suspension design and a worse power-per-weight ratio in a non-competitive weekend track day. Really, do you know anything about cars? At all?
Barcode711 2 years ago
Also, the "electric car versus Ferrari" video is another similar misleading example. First, all they did was a drag race, and the guy in the Ferrari decides that peeling at the start is a better idea than actually accelerating. A non-working example. Second, the Atom is half a car - no top, no place to put anything; a street-legal track car. The Ferrari is a non-race-formatted street car specifically outfitted to be comfortable for day-to-day use.
Barcode711 2 years ago
Lastly, the Atom was an electric car. The extra torque may help in a straight line (and didn't someone say it was AWD?), but the shit-ton of weight that the electric battery (and motor, possibly) adds means it'd be much closer to - if not beaten by - the Ferrari on an actual course.
Barcode711 2 years ago
Bottom line? If you want to crush people on a track at the expense of crushing yourself if you crash - in addition to having a car without any kind of real road usability, and the unknown reliability of some third-party manufacturer, you can go ahead and buy an Atom or a Caterham. If you have the cash, and you want something that will actually protect you in a crash while still being a good track machine and having noted reliability, you can buy a Ferrari. Or really, any real sports car.
Barcode711 2 years ago
Funny how you don't mention the price difference between these 2 cars. Top of the range Caterham is about £30,000. A ferrari F40 is going to set you back AT LEAST quarter of a million. Caterham wins on speed AND value!
digbycurrents 2 years ago
See my other comment.
Barcode711 2 years ago
If you're worried about crashing at high speed, racing isn't really for you, is it? Choose a hobby like table tennis instead.
digbycurrents 2 years ago
Why blatantly risk your life on a recreational day at the track?
Modern racing is built with safety in mind. A man can't build a legacy if he dies within his first few races in a fender-bender and a team can't win if it needs new, unfamiliar-to-their-vehicle drivers all the time, ignoring all empathy-related issues.
Barcode711 2 years ago
You keep banging on about safety. These guys know the risks. Face facts, the Caterham pissed on the Ferarri's parade. It's faster & you know it.
grassingtongreen 2 years ago
Why make excuses for the Ferrari? All these cars are built for nothing but speed. How they achieve it is immaterial. The only thing that matters is that the electric car & the caterham win & the Ferrari loses.
digbycurrents 2 years ago
First of all, a car that cannot maintain speed is still slow. How long do you think this third-party Caterham is going to last? Or the Atom? How would it do in an endurance race? Ferrari has a history of winning enduros, and still does with the F430. This car hasn't won anythingl And judging from the Atom's spin-out during the very simple autocross session at the end of the video, it won't beat the F40 on a track, much less a modern Ferrari.
Barcode711 2 years ago
So seeing as the performance is therefore the same, if not better, with the Ferrari, let's see what you get for the extra 200K. Reliability, looks (really, this is just a tube with headlights), safety (you won't die if you get in a 40kph collision), comfort, and prestige (It's a Ferrari).
Barcode711 2 years ago
The F40 isn't good looking. Who gives a shit about prestige. You're just one of those sycophantic Ferrari fans who kiss Ferrari's butt no matter what they do.
grassingtongreen 2 years ago
with a cheap trackday rollcage installed, caterhams are one of the safest sports cars out there. ferraris, porsches etc will crush, bend, etc, while I have seen caterhams get airbone 140mph+, roll several times, and the driver walk away. Face it, caterhams are faster than most anything and are as cheap as a nice luxury sedan
Jon124 2 years ago
I'm not saying it isn't fast. I'm saying that it's a rickety death trap and that you get what you pay for in some way or another - in this case, it's safety, daily usability, and (probably) reliability. The same goes for almost anything you will ever spend money on.
Barcode711 2 years ago
Just because the Caterham can roll over with a rollcage and leave its driver alive doesn't mean it's safe. With the improvement of safety-cage resilience, it's deceleration that will most likely kill you in an accident, not structural damage.
Barcode711 2 years ago
You miserable sod!!! People drive these cars for the thrill. It may be dangerous but that adds to the adrenaline rush you get when you drive such a lightweight and agile sports car. There are few cars which handle as well as a caterham.
mrhobnob 2 years ago
It's the same "thrill" people get from bungee-jumping. Not really doing much but risking your life.
I would much, much rather trade some entertainment (manoeuvrability increase) for not-dying-in-a-potential-accident. I suppose everyone is entitled to their own tastes.
Barcode711 2 years ago
Bullshit! Ferrari road cars have a history of being tempremental & always being in the garage.
grassingtongreen 2 years ago
What utter bullshit. You can call the Caterham many things but to call it slow is pure lunacy. How do you know the Caterham isnt going to last anyway? It uses a Ford engine. far more reliable than a highly strung Ferrari engine.
grassingtongreen 2 years ago
You're an idiot. End of story