The Cave where David was found is 1000 ft lower down than the place where Himex had their own people saved in 2001: Below the First Step the distance from the Cave to the high camp is quite short - about 300 ft.
In 2001 a total of 12 people; 9 Sherpas and 3 climbers helped to rescue 2 Himex climbers [Andy and Jaime], one guide and a client, from close to the summit of Everest The three men found Andy and Jaime alive at third step at around 7 am in the morning. They could talk but not move. David, Tap and Jason administered high flow oxygen for almost two hours in addition to high altitude drugs and water to the two men. Next they took Andy and Jaime down, slowly from 8700 meters all the way to camp.
Asked if he would have acted differently had Sharp been a Himex client, Mark Woodward says, "I guess yes. Because as a guide I'm primarily responsible for the people on my expedition. So if he was part of our expedition, yeah, definitely.
Looks like a nice promo for that climbing company. LOL at the use of the word "client."
You do realize Sharp signed on with an expedition company that didn't provide climber support, radios, or Sherpa help. He knew what a massive risk he was taking by climbing alone.
Your multiple posts don't address Sharp's circumstances. No two rescues are the same.
@loner1878 Yes it does look like a promo doesnt it , trouble is it isnt ,these are not my words these are the cold hard facts that I came across. As I have said before ,I am not blaming any one person but it does make you think .As I've also stated before ,I think they did the wrong thing leaving him, my opinion and that will never change.
@loner1878 Before you comment back,read what is posted . Apart from that guys opinion,there is actual fact and the words of mark woodward himself so why dont you go argue with that.Tell you what ,I'll keep my opinion to myself when you keep yours to yourself ,hope that helps.
@loner1878 .I am aware that he signed on with 'Asian Trekking' and he also took on one hell of a risk going alone without the proper support or gear.Ive read the facts, still doesnt change what happened does it ? You can see in one of my 'multiple posts' what mark woodward himself said ,those are his own words ,no arguing with that really is there.
Eric Simonson, an expedition leader on Everest that runs Everest expeditions every year and a man with first hand knowledge in rescuing clients on Everest was appalled at the actions so many climbers. Eric's expedition in 2001 rescued 2 members of the Russell Brice expedition in 2001 from a much higher and much more difficult location (the Third Step) on the mountain "Climbers can be too selfish, "I don't know how those people can sleep at night. It's abhorrent." Simonson was quoted.
There was no chance of rescue. It was too dark, not enough sherpas or climbers w/ knowledge of how to do a rescue. Sharp was already doomed.
Its called the "Death Zone" for a fucking reason. You can't just set up a tent there.
Sharp climbed alone, with no radio, at the wrong time of day and w/out proper gloves. Everyone who climbs knows they cannot expect rescue. Even Sharpe's family knows the other climbers are not to blame. So stuff it, you fucking idiot.
Quit the pathetic argument of yours. The point is, that the problem with rescuing Sharp was that it would have needed about 20 skilled sherpas to get him down. But there were only a few sherpas, many exhausted climbing newbies, with one of them disabled, all trying to stay alive. Even if they had tried a rescue it would have been as if a bunch of nonswimmers would jump into open water and try to rescue someone from drowning. They were just too few, too exhausted and too unskilled.
You wanted them to ditch him and go back down? Down?
You can't stay still in that environment when climbing. Sharp was doomed by his own actions. There was nothing they could do.
"Down to safety"
LOL. Its not a five minute jog to the bottom, sweetie. Its a very narrow, dangerous path that takes several hours.
Get it through your head. A rescue was not possible. What, did you want them to strap Sharpe to a sherpa's back and carry him down the narrow ledges and overhangs?
@loner1878 yes down to safety, i mean because they were "TRYING TO STAY ALIVE" by imbing UP the mountian?!? LOL. Nope. They left him there him there to die. That's a fact.
@loner1878 You're so busy trying to argue with someone, you don't get that I'm saying their excuse for not helping him(yes he could have been saved) is bullshit :) if they were all were on survival mode like you say they were, then they wouldn't have kept on going up. SWEETIE.
And no, a rescue was not possible at the time. The temperature, lack of light and qualified sherpas/rescuers all were serious factors. Your arguments are whats bullshit :)
@loner1878 nope. It even overshadowed this double amputee guy. I'm not the only one who knows he could have been saved :) oh and stop picking arguements then. simple Haha.
Keep telling yourself that, honey. Try and get over your own hangups before trying to lecture others on the issue, m'kay? Don't post on a public forum if you're not prepared for someone to reply to you.
@loner1878 then feel free to pick as many arguements as you want and stay obsessed :D but that double amputee guy will ALWAYS be overshadowed by the man that him and 8 other ppl could have saved. :)
Some of these comments are extremely rude. Are you really going to call some of these climbers killers for not helping. It's not like if they help, it doesn't hurt them, if they help, it increases their chances of dying too.
If you ever needed any proof that "mountaineers" are self-righteous, selfish, narcissistic assholes, just watch this video. And for any of you "purist" mountaineers who think this is all part of "harshness of the environment" and the "hard calls" of mountaineering, fuck off. I read a story on the tons of trash left up on Everest. Pigs. Every year 35,000 people visit the region accompanied by 80,000 porters, all there to show how big and tough and strong they are - *YAWN* it's been done!
Wrong. This is more proof that people ike you are ignorant, loudmouthed, fucking idiots. Its so easy to sit on cushy on your fat ass behind a computer screen and spew crap about something you have no clue about, isn't it?
LOL, so you're more pissed about trash than the dead guy? LOL, good one.
Like you would last five minutes on base camp at Everest.
@LolEYEHasFun That 'old man',is Sir Edmund Hilary,one of the first people to climb Mt Everest successfully and one of THE most famous /New Zealanders of all time.He said,"He was a human being.They want to reach the summit and to hell with anybody else."If Sir Edmund believes he shouldn't have been left alone to die,so do I.
I think the answer to that one is a definate no. They would have done everything in their power to get them down no matter how hard ,one human life is not worth more than another .David sharpe went up there ill equipped and should never have attempted it that way ,this much is true ,asian trekking are also at fault for letting him go but the overall thoughts that I have is what a total lack of humanity these climbers showed another fellow climber ,now thats just my opinion and you have yours.
When you are low on oxygen, heavily fatigued and suffering with severe frostbite, any rescue attempt is very very difficult. Your first concern is staying alive no matter what.
When taking on the challenges of climbing Everest, you go to the mountain understanding that, if things go wrong, it means certain death.
David knew the risks, he lost his life doing what he loved. He was not alone, 11 other climbers died that year on Everest.
The lack of a human touch or a gentle voice as he sat there dying for hours on end .Whatever it took ,he should have been helped ,that was a human being there,no question about it.
What's shocking to me is these people passed him on the way up and he was still alive and breathing ,then some 9 hours or so later ,he was still alive ,he was given some oxygen and was able to say his name and he was with Asian Trekking ,so his mind was lucid ,what must those nine hours have been like for this man ,sat there with no human contact,no help?My God ,I cannot even imagine how horrendous that must have been .
@igadiz Yes I understand that ,and he chose to climb alone and with all the risks that entails ,I also know it was a particularly deadly year and 11 others lost their lives, I am not particularly blaming anybody ,it just seems harsh to me as a human being ,that anybody could pass another person in that way whatever the rights and wrongs of the situation. I couldnt do it and I couldnt live with the fact I left another soul to die alone without trying to do something.
The golden rule is don't do anything that puts your life or that of other mountaineers in jeopardy... If you find someone in that condition and they can walk then try to help but, if they can't walk, staying with them puts your own life in real danger. It is just a matter of your own survival. Is nothing personal or in -human about it. It is sad of course but, these people die doing what they love and you draw consolation from that fact.
Also, I find it disgusting that the company he paid to look after him did nothing.
David's was handicapped from the word go. He arrived at Everest with inadequate equipment and Asian Trekking should have prevented him from attempting the climb.
Instead, they took his money and abandoned him to his ill fate.
@igadiz Yes well you could argue that climbing Mount Everest itself puts even the most experienced mountaineer's life in danger so..,I agree with you about Asian Trekking however ,they did indeed just take his money and did nothing ,then again they didnt pass him carrying radio's .A sherpa managed to carry Mark inglis down on his back when he could go no further although of course that was much further down ,it just doesnt sit right with me and its just my take on it .
I don't think for a minute that abandoning a dying human being sits right with anyone, much less, the person who has to make that decision in order to preserve their own life.
Some people are very strong and, like the Sherpa you mention, are able to carry another in their backs. Sadly others struggle to carry themselves, so much so, they leave their lives on the mountain. Is just the nature of the challenge, if it was easy no one will be doing it.
@igadiz It shouldnt sit right with anybody but seems it has done with some more than others .This is my thoughts on it,Inglis and the rest had sherpa's ,carried the proper equipment and very importantly had the radio's ,now why is that ? Is it in case they needed help? I assume so, now if one of their own had been stricken in this way ,maybe rendered immobile and couldnt walk down,do you think for one second they would have left him there to die alone,no matter how high up they were?
Difficult to say, if high enough, chances are the answer is yes. It would have become near impossible to carry them down.
Some rescue enterprises have been successful and rightly celebrated but, the vast majority ends in failure.
It won't let me post the links but, search for the touching story of Francys and Sergei Arsentiev who lost their lives to the mountain back in 1998. It was a heart breaking story for all involved.
Sadly, some 120 bodies lie along the north and south routes (80 others have been pushed in to crevasses or otherwise out of view). All of them were abandoned by their team members, paid agency (that being Asian trekking or other) and all mountaineers that passed them by while they were dying. Even today, every person that attempts the climb has to pass by their lifeless bodies. A stark reminder that given the slightest opportunity, the mountain will take your life.
The body of Fancy's was pushed down the mountain and out of view in 2007 by no other than Ian Woodall who, back in 1998 had to make that hardest of decisions and leave her to die where they found her. He came back to Everest with the intention of giving her a decent burial, her words of "don't leave me here to die" still ringing in his ears. Sadly the weather was un cooperative and a Push down "Mountain burial" was all they could do for her
Severe frost bite, Brain and pulmonary edema, and exhaustion are constant and very real threats. So attempting a recue or leaving them behind is a difficult decision to make while you are fighting for your own life.
Don't judge those who were confronted with such dilemmas too harshly.
David Sharp was left behind like an empty bottle of oxigen... useless... But if the almost 40 alpinists that passed through were in his place, what had they wanted? To be left agonizing? A chance to survive?
Selfishness prevailed.
In that same expedition year, australian Lincoln Hall was also dying at 8600m in a place next where David was. But american Daniel Mazur and his team gave up reaching the summit to save Lincoln´s life. What a double blessing!
@reginouh As I understand it Hall was better prepared (proper gloves) and had been with a larger party and could walk. David Sharp had no guide or Sherpa and people did stop but he couldn't get up.
must be heavy up there... I think people talk about these things because most other 8000-ers are more difficult and deathlier then mt. everest, but that does not mean everest is probably one of the most heavy stuff one can do in their lifes...respect!
@drew2pac... i guess sitting on your fat ass typing these lines is very easy... I was at 7000 asshole and it's very tough up there. so quit being stupid and SHUT THE FUCK UP
@gullf1sk So I guess fuck all of the soldiers too, right? All the people that worked in the mines. Let's not forget about those who risked their lives on 9/11 or, actually, any other time they were needed. FUCK those people that helped out in the oil spills, and any time there's ever been a hurricane. Man, fuck all those people for risking their lives to do something they love (like mountain climbers do), & fuck them for putting their loved ones through such pain. No, wait, fuck you.
боюсь что радетели моральных принципов никогда не были в горах. каждый кто идет туда (а тем более - в одиночку) должен понимать что его ждет и чем он рискует. и требовать помощи от людей, которые сами еле передвигаются - чистейший эгоизм. ведь одиночки ни с кем не делят свой успех и победу. так что в случае поражения, каждый сам себе доктор, как бы цинично это не звучало. люди, которые идут группой, отвечают друг за друга. и, когда стоит жесткий выбор, выбирают жизнь своего напарника, а не чужую
@MrBotva знаете в чем заключается истинное покорение Эвереста в милосердии. Посмотрите кто истинный покоритель, или у вас на самом деле мозгов нет чтобы это понять
И зачем спрашивается туда переться?! Чтобы стать такой же сволочью, которая бросает умирающего ради достижения своей эгоистичной цели или для того, чтобы тебя бросили умирать свои же, а потом слагали песни о благородстве альпинистов. Булщит одним словом.
This is B.S.! They sacrificed the man for the glory of getting to the top. David Sharp was was lucid and answering questions when they first passed him on their glory quest to the top. Sharp was only 800 feet above camp 3, but 10 days later Thomas Weber was saved from much higher at the second step. But Brice Russell has paying clients he needs to get to the top so the David Sharp was left to die. Shameful.
Sharp was not lucid nor could he move. It would have been impossible for the climbers to lower Sharp down the steep ledges (this according to Sherpas).
Thomas Weber was conscious, able to walk, and the temperatue was not as low. All these critical factors contributed to his rescue.
@loner1878 - I don't think you're actually familiar with the facts regarding David Sharp. The raw video footage from the discovery channel show directly contradicts your statements. Sharp was lucid when the first of Brice Russell's climbers stop, talked to him, then moved on to the go for the summit. Given the number of sherpas Brice had on the mountain, the fact that they carried down the amputee, etc. If Russell actually put human life above profit his team could have saved the man.
The problem with rescuing Sharpe was that it would have needed a large number of skilled sherpas to get him down. But there were only a few sherpas, many exhausted rookie climbers, with one of them disabled, and all barely trying to stay alive. Even if they would've tried a rescue it would have been as if a bunch of nonswimmers had jumped into open water and try to rescue someone from drowning. Just a bigger mess. When you climb Mt Everest you have to accept that you could die.
@loner1878 -you're obviously not an actual mountaineer. It doesn't matter that the guy paid a bargain company or that he wasn't a client of Russell. Real mountaineers don't leave a man to die in a summit attempt when they could save him. 800 feet from camp 3, below the 1st step, he could have been saved but the people that could have saved him choose profit and glory over a person's life. You really need to learn the real facts before posting again. You're making false statements left and right.
Whatever you say dude. You're the one pointing fingers and throwing around blame while ignoring the fact that a rescue attempt would have likely failed due to the few Sherpas, the fact that it was night and Sharp's deteriorated condition.
@loner1878 -"ignoring the fact..." do you know what you're talking about? How many sherpas do you think were there? Why do you keep saying it would be a night rescue? It was the early morning (3-4 a.m.) assent that he was encountered on. The rescue would have been a daytime rescue. There were plenty of sherpas. I'm not ignoring the facts, you're just ignorant of what the facts actually were. Russell flat out lied in what he said in this video as been proven by the raw audio and video.
@loner1878 - you should stop talking now because you just keep showing how completely uninformed and ignorant you are of the facts, as well how inexperienced you are at climbing.
I did see that footage. By "lucid" you seem to imply he was awake and talking, but in reality he could not stand and could only slightly move his head. He identified himself, but that's not going to help you get down a mountain. Once again, there were too few Sherpas to attempt a rescue. Sherpas said it would have been near impossible to maneuver him down. Add to that the factor of a night rescue.
Inlgis was not carried down until the final stretch when his prostetic broke.
@loner1878 - you saw the footage from when they were coming down from the summit, not from when they went past on the way up. Everyone knows you have to accept that you could die when you climb Everest. You keep say that but that's not the issue. The fact that you could die isn't the issue. Russell had enough equipment and sherpas to get a person down from above the 2nd step if he wanted. But he decided to let a man die rather than tell his clients they couldn't summit. A life for money, Period.
@loner1878 - you're welcome to your opinion but you're not a big mountain climber, you have little knowledge of the actual facts, and you don't know the people involved. I do.
You can have your little opinion too. You can claim you know things, but I think you lack much rationality or reasoning on this particualr issue. I sure hope you don't try climbing Everest anytime soon.
LOL, didn't I already tell you I have climbed mountains and been part of a search and rescue team? Playing dumb I see. But whatever makes you happy.
@loner1878 -"I already tell you I have climbed mountains and been part of a search and rescue team", I read it but to be honest I think you're a "weekend warrior" and not a real climber and mountaineer. What real mountains have you climbed? I sure hope you're not climbing on any mountain I'm on, because if we were I'd remind you of your callous inhuman statements, and then my group would still save your inexperienced ass.
I think you're a bigmouthed self righteous youtube poster who is full of it. There's a reason I would never climb Everest, I know my experience level is not suited for it and I'm not willing to risk freezing to death. Even if I were, I wouldn't be delusional enough to expect other climbers to save me and risk themselves getting killed. My statements are rational (rather than your emotionally based wishful thoughts). Seems you've got nothing but insults left in your verbal arsenal.
@loner1878 - you have now admitted that you're not an experienced mountaineer who doesn't have a clue yet you keep insulting me and calling me a bigmouth. I'm an experienced mountaineer and guide who knows the facts. You're just a weekend warrior who thinks he knows everything. Thanks for sharing your uninformed opinion but it's worth absolutely nothing. If you were actually in the climbing community you'd know why Russell is blamed.
LOL, where did I admit that? I can tell you're just looking for insults to toss around. Frankly I'm tired of your little game and don't need to prove shit to you.
The reason I don't climb anymore is that I have had knee injuries that make it difficult for me to run, let alone climb anymore. But back when I was a climber I was no "weekend warrior."
If you were right the entire climbing community would have a unified opinion. Fact is, they don't. Keep on pointing fingers.
I find it very ridiculous that Russell is continually being blamed when Asian Trekking should be. Are you are three more climbers who singed with that company died climbing Mt Everest mere weeks after Sharpe?
@loner1878 - Russell is blamed because he had the ability to save the man. It's not about what company he was climbing with. Actual mountaineers know the code, you're not a mountaineer and you obvious don't care about your fellow man. Mountaineers don't put profit ahead of people's lives. Russell does, and that's why people blame him.
Yeah, even though Russell was at base camp you make it sound as though he was right there climbing with them. Then again you made the same dumb accusation at Mark Ingils. Obviously you're completely unaware that many experienced mountaineers have agreed that any rescue of Sharp would have been near impossible. Most of the people who haved criticized the entire situation are ones with zero mountaineering experience. Sharp's own family doesn't blame the other climbers. Take a hint.
@loner1878 - actually most of the real mountaineers have said it would have been completely possible given his location and the large number of sherpas available. I'm not making it sound as though Russell was climbing, he hasn't climbed in 20 years and isn't really a mountaineer, he's a profiteer.
LOL "real" mountaineers. On the actual climbing expedition, there were few available sherpas. Too few to have tried to maneuver Sharp down the mountainside. Man, I wonder how the criticism would be had they managed to drop him?
@loner1878 - you said "I know my experience level is not suited for it" meaning you haven't climbed large mountains before and don't actually know what you're talking about. Now you're saying you don't even climb at all. Keep talking weedend warrior, you just keep showing your lack of experience and how little weight your opinion should count for.
@2011blueman LOl, that doesn't mean I haven't climber mountains before, it means I haven't climbed a mountain as high or cold as Mt Everest. Keep jumping to your conclusions. I already explained I was no "weekend warrior" and my climbing days are behind me.
Anyway, I find it interesting that someone with less mountaineering knowledge than you would be far more rational on an Everest rescue than such a self-professed expert like yourself.
Are you familiar with the case of Francys Arsentiev?
@loner1878 - you sure have a high opinion of yourself and the rationality of your opinion. Not sure why you think Francys Arsentiev is relevant to this situation, but since your "rationality" precludes you from actually investigating the facts of this case before making your "rational" (a.k.a. asinine) statements , I'm done discussing this with you. I'd be happen to come back when you actually have high altitude experience and learn the facts surround Sharp's death.
Sorry for the absence (took a few weeks beach vacation. It was very nice, thank you).
Anyways, I'd like to point out your attempt to engage me in a pissing contest over who's climbed what was pointless to begin with. How much experience you or I have has no relevance on the fact that a rescue for Sharp was not feasible.
Even Sharp's own mother knows the other climbers are not to blame and has said so.
Sharp made many critical mistakes - he climbed with a bargain company that did not give him a radio, oxygen or Sherpa help. He climbed alone and at the wrong time of day. He did not have proper gloves. Anyone who climbs Everest knows they can die at any time and can't rely on other climbers for rescue.
You obvioulsy have no idea what the reality of climbing Everest is.
@loner1878 - "You obvioulsy [sic] have no idea what the reality of climbing Everest is."
I've climbed Dhaulagiri and K2. I know the realities of climbing. I also know the reality of Everest and the heartless profiteering operators that have come to dominate that mountain. Had the climbers on that mountain that day been real climbers and/or Russell had chosen to put life over profit and peak (as real climbers do) then Sharp would be alive today.
Sharp pretty much doomed himself. He signed with a bargain climbing company (Asia Trekkers - which you negelected to blame for taking his money and letting him go off to the mountain. For soem reason you blame a company he wasn't even participating with) that gave him no radio or oxygen or Sherpa help. He chose to climb alone, at the wrong time of day and did not have proper gloves.
I've climbed quite a few mountains myself and have been part of on search-and-rescue teams.
The problem was that they walked by David Sharpe on the way up and didn't try to help until they were coming back. He was more alert earlier and if given DEX and O2 he may have had a chance.
When they passed Sharpe it was dark. Many thought he was a dead body, some didn't see him. Either way, odds are he was doomed even before the expedition came across him.
Sharpe's own mother has said the other climbers are not to blame. Sharpe knew the risks.
If it was so impossible to rescue David Sharpe that day how did David Masur and 3 others rescue Lincoln Hall just a few days later and he was at a higher altitude?
@MikefrMd Because Lincoln Hall was able to get up on his feet. David Sharpe was not. Had Lincoln Hall not been able to get up and aid his rescuers, he probably would have been left to die as well.
@Aiellu Hi friend, have you been able to identify any other bodies? So Fischer is the body with the skull, but all the Sharp pictures are censored. Would be interesting to see a picture of Sharp sitting next to Green Boots- Im sure someone has taken one. I know its morbid but its just so interesting to me finding out who these dead climbers are and why they died.
пидарасы, "адреналина" им мало. Из серии тех "адреналинщиков", которые зажариваются катаясь на крышах электропоездов. Ага, "победа над собой" еба. На муай-тай запишитесь или на рукопашку. Хоть польза будет. И адреналина хоть отбавляй.
чванливая сволочь из личного тщеславия, прихотей и "экстрима" забирается на гору. "Герои" еп. Уроды. Я понимаю цель там была бы научная или еще какая. Тем более даже она не стоит человеческой жизни. О семьях своих они подумали? или о семье того кого оставили умирать?
@Aiellu It isn't. If you search david sharp on yahoo picture there's one there somewhere, he's lying back on his backpack and his head is a skeleton now.
@Aiellu ..continue...There has been records of people being saved from more perilous locations on everest. They didn't use altitude sickness or were not in their right mind as their defense. So I'd say they are selfish - selfish to get up there.
@Aiellu And there has been records of people being saved from more perilous locations on everest. As a defense to their decision, they don't say there were in severe altitude sickness or they were not in their right mind; so I'm ruling them out. The only rational reason would be selfishness - selfishness to get up there.
@Aiellu Base on article from Everestpress, it was head-mounted camera that was used to shoot DS scene because main camera was frozen. So I presume this wasn't real. After reading that article and some others, I can't help but wonder how these mountaineers sleep at night, especially the team leader, when they could help him. Sure, he was high up there. But, considering, how big their group was(over 10 people), it isn't too much/risky to ask to spare each of crew energy.
Тотчас же все экспедиции, находившиеся на северной стороне, договорились между собой и выслали отряд из десяти шерпов ему на помощь. Сообща они сняли его с гребня и вернули к жизни.
Немного позднее был один эпизод, который окончательно разрешит споры о том, можно или нет оказывать помощь умирающему на Эвересте. Гид Гарри Кикстра получил задание вести одну группу, в которой среди его клиентов фигурировал Томас Вебер, имевший проблемы со зрением вследствие удаления в прошлом опухоли мозга. В день подъёма на вершину Кикстра, Вебер, пять шерпов и второй клиент, Линкольн Холл, вышли вместе из третьего лагеря ночью при хороших климатических условиях.
Обильно глотая кислород, немного более чем через два часа они наткнулись на труп Дэвида Шарпа, с брезгливостью обошли его и продолжили путь на вершину. Вопреки проблемам со зрением, которые высота должна была бы обострить, Вебер взбирался самостоятельно, используя перила. Всё происходило, как было предусмотрено. Линкольн Холл со своими двумя шерпами продвинулся вперёд, но в это время у Вебера серьёзно ухудшилось зрение.
В 50 метрах от вершины Кикстра решил закончить восхождение и направился со своим шерпом и Вебером обратно. Мало - помалу группа стала спускаться с третьей ступени, затем со второй… пока вдруг Вебер, казавшийся обессиленным и потерявший координацию, не бросил панический взгляд на Кикстру и не огорошил его: «Я умираю». И умер, падая ему на руки посреди гребня. Никто не мог его оживить.
Сверх того, Линкольн Холл, возвращаясь с вершины, стал чувствовать себя плохо. Предупреждённый по радио Кикстра, всё ещё находясь в состоянии шока от смерти Вебера, послал одного из своих шерпов навстречу Холлу, но последний рухнул на 8700 метрах и, несмотря на помощь шерпов, на протяжении девяти часов пытавшихся его оживить, не смог подняться. В семь часов они сообщили, что он мёртв.
Руководители экспедиции посоветовали шерпам, обеспокоенным начинающейся темнотой, оставить Линкольна Холла и спасать свои жизни, что они и сделали.Тем же самым утром, спустя семь часов, гид Дан Мазур, следовавший с клиентами по дороге на вершину, наткнулся на Холла, который, к удивлению, оказался жив. После того как ему дали чай, кислород и лекарства, Холл смог сам поговорить по радио со своей группой на базе.
Несколько дней спустя двух членов одной экспедиции из Кастилии Ла Манчи хватило, чтобы эвакуировать одного полуживого канадца по имени Винс с Северного седла (на высоте 7000 метров) под равнодушными взглядами многих из тех, кто там проходил.
Три дня спустя после гибели Дэвида Шарпа руководитель «Peace Project» Джеми Мак Гиннес и десять его шерпов спасли одного из его клиентов, вошедшего в штопор, немного погодя после восхождения на вершину. На это потратили 36 часов, но на импровизированных носилках его эвакуировали с вершины, донеся до базового лагеря. Можно или нельзя спасти умирающего? Он, конечно, немало заплатил, и это спасло ему жизнь.
Идите нахуй все кто пишут,что нельзя спасти человека на таких высотах,можно блять и если незнаете не пиздите втупую умники блять!.Дэвида Шарпа которого показывали на этом видео просто бросили подыхать как собаку,а в общем мимо него прошло 40 человек,но он нахуй не нужен был некому,правильно кто будет прерывать дорогую экспедицию,ради какого то оборванца,который имел в базовом лагере лишь повара и палатку.
Why the fuck is a double amputee climbing Everest and risking other people's lives? That's why he got blamed. In fact all 30 of them were fucking heartless and David Sharp was fucking stupid.
Там физически невозможно спасти умирающего - это все равно, что будучи с 60 кг груза на спине пытаться поднять человека и тащить - нехватка кислорода, штормовой ветер и усталость - такие дела...
don't blame them its not their fault, they were given info to walk on and leave him for their own good. if they had to tried to get him down they would have failed !! it is impossible, and even if they could have it was not their problem it was Asian Treckings problem David Sharp (RIP) was with them and they did not act because they are a cheap everest company who only give the min amount of support to their customers, they are to blame. David Sharp knew the risks !!!!
"agree with Edmond Hillary,If they had Even to get down the ladders they could have lowered him enough fresh men, or Sherpas Or slide him on a sled. a ll this shows is pride, better than their fellow man , rescue him if you can far more noble than the summit"
Я могу хоть сейчас поспорить что все "критики" до единого ни разу не поднимались выше десятиэтажки и просто не знают об условиях на Эвересте, где даже желудок перестает переваривать пищу и организм берет энергию напрямую из мышц, сжигая их. Неужели вы и вправду думаете что одни такие умные и порядочные а все другие за 50 лет активного освоения Эвереста так и не додумались похоронить погибших? Вы не в курсе сколько было отправлено экспедиций чтобы просто забрать тело? Ни одна не кончилась успешно
I can respect Sir Hillarys opinion. If he had been climbing that mountain at that time he may have stopped and checked on the climber. But, I doubt if there was anything he could have done either. There are places on Everest where you have the option of assisting another climber, even one unable to assist in their rescue. This was not one of those places.
I am judging neither of the decisions I posed to you. I simply put the question in a form non climbers can relate to. There are those who would rather die than to see someone else die. There are those who will survive even if doing so prevents them from saving another. Ask yourself what should they have done? Carrying him was not an option in that terain and at that altitude. If sitting with him for a bit or even sharing oxygen with him would have saved him, they may have done so.
Those who critize climbers for not stopping and trying to rescue him in the death zone, think of this. Think of a raging flood where you are barely going from hand hold to hand hold trying not to be swept away and drowning. A man is being swept by you and grabs one of your arms. You feel your grip on your hand hold slipping from the added pull. What do you do? Do you loose your grip allowing both of you to be swept away and drown? Do you try to get him loose so you can save yourself? Quick now!
the guy went up alone with no gloves and no oxygen. im not saying he deserved to die, but he wasnt exactly prepared. why should all these other climbers risk their lives to save him then?
All these revolted people... put in the same situation would do NOTHING, even if they wanted. All of these heroes, I bet they haven't been higher than 4 km, or even on a mountain at all. You either pull your own weight or you don't. You either follow the rules, or you die.
Осуждающие видно не понимают... на таких экстремальных высотах попытаться кого-то спасти = погибнуть самому в 99% случаях + потянуть за собой всю группу. Вы думаете тела никто не забирает и не хоронит просто так? Да на это нужна отдельная экспедиция из десятков человек, это долгая подготовка, это огромный риск. Да и те, кто пытается покорить Эверест / К-2 должны понимать всё огромную степень риска, должны быть готовы там остаться навсегда в конце концов...
Что-то мы в одной кавказской республике на "выходах" своих не бросали. Наоборот, под пулями еще и тела вытаскивали, чтоб с собой унести. Там тоже была куча вариантов, что "помог,растратил силы, погиб сам, убил группу, сорвал поставленную задачу".
Хотя - о чем это я? Альпинисты - они крутые и святые. Куда мне, пехотинцу со свиным рылом в калашный ряд лезть.
Так что Ваши отмазки про "тысячники" не более чем отмазки. Которые очень "хорошо" Вас характеризуют.
I hope Mark Inglis burns in hell. After all the people that helped him get off Mount Cook (where he lost his legs due to frostbite) - he ignored a dying man for his own selfish ambitions.
Not only that, but then lied to cover his own back - but forgetting that all the calls were logged, and the discovery chanel were filming them.
LOL, why is everyone blaming the double amputee for not strapping a frozen man to his back when there were 40 other people on the expedition? Blame somebody with legs, you fucking idiot.
You have zero clue what a rescue on My Everest entails. Its not like Mt Cook.
I've seen the recording, so quit making that excuse. Even Sharpe's own mother has said the other climbers are not to blame.
Sherpas on the expedition said it would have been near impossible to maneuver Sharpe down the steep cliffs. Sharpe was doomed before the expedition even reached him for a number of factors.
Its called the DEATH ZONE for a good reason.
Sorry if you consider 10 minutes on youtube a lack of a life. So why do you have an account here?
@zelmedvedzh , там дело не в достижениях. Просто там нагрузка за гранью человеческого понимания. Я помню, как однажды чуть не начал мочиться в штаны, идя с солнечным ударом в группе.
"Невозможно позволить себе роскошь нравственности на высоте более 8000 метров"
Эти слова хорошо передают то, что творится там. И те кто думаю "Как так? Сволочи" и т.д. Да вы себя представьте там...! На себе тащить его? Потом вас обоих так же будут обходить стороной.
@NiceShimoN Людей кричащих про нравственность, было бы хорошо заставить подняться и спуститься хотя бы на 3000 метра вверх, с хотя бы 50 кг рюкзаком. Послушали бы потом от них про нравственность и морализм.
@zelmedvedzh Вот послушайте этого человека @Aiellu В горах (особенно на такой высоте) не действуют законы и правила которые действуют в обычных условиях человека. На больших высотах каждый за себя, т.к. каждый шаг это борьба за собственную жизнь.
The Cave where David was found is 1000 ft lower down than the place where Himex had their own people saved in 2001: Below the First Step the distance from the Cave to the high camp is quite short - about 300 ft.
shawent 6 days ago
In 2001 a total of 12 people; 9 Sherpas and 3 climbers helped to rescue 2 Himex climbers [Andy and Jaime], one guide and a client, from close to the summit of Everest The three men found Andy and Jaime alive at third step at around 7 am in the morning. They could talk but not move. David, Tap and Jason administered high flow oxygen for almost two hours in addition to high altitude drugs and water to the two men. Next they took Andy and Jaime down, slowly from 8700 meters all the way to camp.
shawent 6 days ago 2
Asked if he would have acted differently had Sharp been a Himex client, Mark Woodward says, "I guess yes. Because as a guide I'm primarily responsible for the people on my expedition. So if he was part of our expedition, yeah, definitely.
shawent 6 days ago
@shawent
Looks like a nice promo for that climbing company. LOL at the use of the word "client."
You do realize Sharp signed on with an expedition company that didn't provide climber support, radios, or Sherpa help. He knew what a massive risk he was taking by climbing alone.
Your multiple posts don't address Sharp's circumstances. No two rescues are the same.
loner1878 6 days ago
@loner1878 Yes it does look like a promo doesnt it , trouble is it isnt ,these are not my words these are the cold hard facts that I came across. As I have said before ,I am not blaming any one person but it does make you think .As I've also stated before ,I think they did the wrong thing leaving him, my opinion and that will never change.
shawent 6 days ago
@shawent
Some guy's opinion doesn't count as "facts." Keep your opinion, like anyone cares.
loner1878 4 days ago
@loner1878 Before you comment back,read what is posted . Apart from that guys opinion,there is actual fact and the words of mark woodward himself so why dont you go argue with that.Tell you what ,I'll keep my opinion to myself when you keep yours to yourself ,hope that helps.
shawent 4 days ago
@shawent
What "fact?" There's nothing but an opinion and a company promo there. And two rescues done under different conditions.
loner1878 3 days ago
@loner1878 .I am aware that he signed on with 'Asian Trekking' and he also took on one hell of a risk going alone without the proper support or gear.Ive read the facts, still doesnt change what happened does it ? You can see in one of my 'multiple posts' what mark woodward himself said ,those are his own words ,no arguing with that really is there.
shawent 6 days ago
Eric Simonson, an expedition leader on Everest that runs Everest expeditions every year and a man with first hand knowledge in rescuing clients on Everest was appalled at the actions so many climbers. Eric's expedition in 2001 rescued 2 members of the Russell Brice expedition in 2001 from a much higher and much more difficult location (the Third Step) on the mountain "Climbers can be too selfish, "I don't know how those people can sleep at night. It's abhorrent." Simonson was quoted.
shawent 6 days ago
The response from them that he couldnt be helped doesnt wash really,here are some interesting facts to mull over .
shawent 6 days ago
australians are so fucking selffish. Give him a tent, give him oxygen, help him down you fucking assholes.
LolEYEHasFun 1 week ago
@LolEYEHasFun, на высоте 8000 км нравственность совсем другая, чем внизу.
Mappykid 1 week ago
@Mappykid english please
LolEYEHasFun 1 week ago
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@LolEYEHasFun
There was no chance of rescue. It was too dark, not enough sherpas or climbers w/ knowledge of how to do a rescue. Sharp was already doomed.
Its called the "Death Zone" for a fucking reason. You can't just set up a tent there.
Sharp climbed alone, with no radio, at the wrong time of day and w/out proper gloves. Everyone who climbs knows they cannot expect rescue. Even Sharpe's family knows the other climbers are not to blame. So stuff it, you fucking idiot.
loner1878 1 week ago
When they recorded him for their documentary... HE WAS STILL ALIVE??? WTF.
MzChelxoxo 1 week ago
@MzChelxoxo It's a reenactment dumbass
Cephlophile 1 week ago
@Cephlophile that's not my point. the fact that even after they saw him still alive they still kept going up.
MzChelxoxo 1 week ago
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loner1878 1 week ago
@MzChelxoxo
A rescue was not possible. Its not so simple as you wish it to be.
loner1878 1 week ago
@loner1878 yeah, because they were so "busy" climbing UP the mountain.
MzChelxoxo 1 week ago
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@MzChelxoxo
Quit the pathetic argument of yours. The point is, that the problem with rescuing Sharp was that it would have needed about 20 skilled sherpas to get him down. But there were only a few sherpas, many exhausted climbing newbies, with one of them disabled, all trying to stay alive. Even if they had tried a rescue it would have been as if a bunch of nonswimmers would jump into open water and try to rescue someone from drowning. They were just too few, too exhausted and too unskilled.
loner1878 1 week ago
@loner187 nope. They werent "trying" to stay alive, they were trying to get to the top of the mountain. not down to safety. Up.
MzChelxoxo 1 week ago
@MzChelxoxo
You wanted them to ditch him and go back down? Down?
You can't stay still in that environment when climbing. Sharp was doomed by his own actions. There was nothing they could do.
"Down to safety"
LOL. Its not a five minute jog to the bottom, sweetie. Its a very narrow, dangerous path that takes several hours.
Get it through your head. A rescue was not possible. What, did you want them to strap Sharpe to a sherpa's back and carry him down the narrow ledges and overhangs?
loner1878 1 week ago
@loner1878 yes down to safety, i mean because they were "TRYING TO STAY ALIVE" by imbing UP the mountian?!? LOL. Nope. They left him there him there to die. That's a fact.
MzChelxoxo 1 week ago
@loner1878 You're so busy trying to argue with someone, you don't get that I'm saying their excuse for not helping him(yes he could have been saved) is bullshit :) if they were all were on survival mode like you say they were, then they wouldn't have kept on going up. SWEETIE.
MzChelxoxo 1 week ago
@MzChelxoxo
You're ALWAYS in survival mode on Everest, honey.
And no, a rescue was not possible at the time. The temperature, lack of light and qualified sherpas/rescuers all were serious factors. Your arguments are whats bullshit :)
loner1878 6 days ago
@loner1878 nope. It even overshadowed this double amputee guy. I'm not the only one who knows he could have been saved :) oh and stop picking arguements then. simple Haha.
MzChelxoxo 6 days ago
@MzChelxoxo
LOL, "knows." Its just your uninformed opinion, honey.
loner1878 4 days ago
@loner1878 yup. everyone knows he could have been saved. Stop being obsessed and get over it :D
MzChelxoxo 4 days ago
@MzChelxoxo
LOL, "everyone." Who, your imaginary friends?
"Stop being obsessed and get over it :D"
Maybe you should follow your own advice rather than being a flagrant hypocrite XD
loner1878 3 days ago
@loner1878 sweetie you picked the arugement with me. Like you do with the other commenters on this vid. you're wrong. Get over it already x)
MzChelxoxo 3 days ago
@MzChelxoxo
Keep telling yourself that, honey. Try and get over your own hangups before trying to lecture others on the issue, m'kay? Don't post on a public forum if you're not prepared for someone to reply to you.
loner1878 1 day ago
@loner1878 then feel free to pick as many arguements as you want and stay obsessed :D but that double amputee guy will ALWAYS be overshadowed by the man that him and 8 other ppl could have saved. :)
MzChelxoxo 1 day ago
is he still up there?
greyknight7 1 week ago
@greyknight7 yes
Starwars1442 1 week ago
Some of these comments are extremely rude. Are you really going to call some of these climbers killers for not helping. It's not like if they help, it doesn't hurt them, if they help, it increases their chances of dying too.
Fluffy4020 1 week ago
If you ever needed any proof that "mountaineers" are self-righteous, selfish, narcissistic assholes, just watch this video. And for any of you "purist" mountaineers who think this is all part of "harshness of the environment" and the "hard calls" of mountaineering, fuck off. I read a story on the tons of trash left up on Everest. Pigs. Every year 35,000 people visit the region accompanied by 80,000 porters, all there to show how big and tough and strong they are - *YAWN* it's been done!
JRCrowley 1 week ago
@JRCrowley
Wrong. This is more proof that people ike you are ignorant, loudmouthed, fucking idiots. Its so easy to sit on cushy on your fat ass behind a computer screen and spew crap about something you have no clue about, isn't it?
LOL, so you're more pissed about trash than the dead guy? LOL, good one.
Like you would last five minutes on base camp at Everest.
loner1878 1 week ago
wtf did that old man say?
LolEYEHasFun 1 week ago
@LolEYEHasFun That 'old man',is Sir Edmund Hilary,one of the first people to climb Mt Everest successfully and one of THE most famous /New Zealanders of all time.He said,"He was a human being.They want to reach the summit and to hell with anybody else."If Sir Edmund believes he shouldn't have been left alone to die,so do I.
ScattySafari 19 hours ago
I think the answer to that one is a definate no. They would have done everything in their power to get them down no matter how hard ,one human life is not worth more than another .David sharpe went up there ill equipped and should never have attempted it that way ,this much is true ,asian trekking are also at fault for letting him go but the overall thoughts that I have is what a total lack of humanity these climbers showed another fellow climber ,now thats just my opinion and you have yours.
shawent 2 weeks ago
When you are low on oxygen, heavily fatigued and suffering with severe frostbite, any rescue attempt is very very difficult. Your first concern is staying alive no matter what.
When taking on the challenges of climbing Everest, you go to the mountain understanding that, if things go wrong, it means certain death.
David knew the risks, he lost his life doing what he loved. He was not alone, 11 other climbers died that year on Everest.
igadiz 2 weeks ago
The lack of a human touch or a gentle voice as he sat there dying for hours on end .Whatever it took ,he should have been helped ,that was a human being there,no question about it.
shawent 2 weeks ago
What's shocking to me is these people passed him on the way up and he was still alive and breathing ,then some 9 hours or so later ,he was still alive ,he was given some oxygen and was able to say his name and he was with Asian Trekking ,so his mind was lucid ,what must those nine hours have been like for this man ,sat there with no human contact,no help?My God ,I cannot even imagine how horrendous that must have been .
shawent 2 weeks ago
@shawent
Up there your limbs freeze rendering them useless, in effect, you are dead weight to anyone trying to help.
At those altitudes, carrying yourself is already a struggle. If the person can move then great, stop and help get them down.
If their extremities are frozen, there is nothing anyone can do and every second spent with them puts your life in danger. It really is that harsh.
igadiz 2 weeks ago
@igadiz Yes I understand that ,and he chose to climb alone and with all the risks that entails ,I also know it was a particularly deadly year and 11 others lost their lives, I am not particularly blaming anybody ,it just seems harsh to me as a human being ,that anybody could pass another person in that way whatever the rights and wrongs of the situation. I couldnt do it and I couldnt live with the fact I left another soul to die alone without trying to do something.
shawent 2 weeks ago
@shawent
The golden rule is don't do anything that puts your life or that of other mountaineers in jeopardy... If you find someone in that condition and they can walk then try to help but, if they can't walk, staying with them puts your own life in real danger. It is just a matter of your own survival. Is nothing personal or in -human about it. It is sad of course but, these people die doing what they love and you draw consolation from that fact.
igadiz 2 weeks ago
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Also, I find it disgusting that the company he paid to look after him did nothing.
David's was handicapped from the word go. He arrived at Everest with inadequate equipment and Asian Trekking should have prevented him from attempting the climb.
Instead, they took his money and abandoned him to his ill fate.
igadiz 2 weeks ago
@igadiz Yes well you could argue that climbing Mount Everest itself puts even the most experienced mountaineer's life in danger so..,I agree with you about Asian Trekking however ,they did indeed just take his money and did nothing ,then again they didnt pass him carrying radio's .A sherpa managed to carry Mark inglis down on his back when he could go no further although of course that was much further down ,it just doesnt sit right with me and its just my take on it .
shawent 2 weeks ago
@shawent
I don't think for a minute that abandoning a dying human being sits right with anyone, much less, the person who has to make that decision in order to preserve their own life.
Some people are very strong and, like the Sherpa you mention, are able to carry another in their backs. Sadly others struggle to carry themselves, so much so, they leave their lives on the mountain. Is just the nature of the challenge, if it was easy no one will be doing it.
igadiz 2 weeks ago
@igadiz It shouldnt sit right with anybody but seems it has done with some more than others .This is my thoughts on it,Inglis and the rest had sherpa's ,carried the proper equipment and very importantly had the radio's ,now why is that ? Is it in case they needed help? I assume so, now if one of their own had been stricken in this way ,maybe rendered immobile and couldnt walk down,do you think for one second they would have left him there to die alone,no matter how high up they were?
shawent 2 weeks ago
@shawent
Difficult to say, if high enough, chances are the answer is yes. It would have become near impossible to carry them down.
Some rescue enterprises have been successful and rightly celebrated but, the vast majority ends in failure.
It won't let me post the links but, search for the touching story of Francys and Sergei Arsentiev who lost their lives to the mountain back in 1998. It was a heart breaking story for all involved.
igadiz 2 weeks ago
@igadiz Ah yes I have read about them and that is indeed a heartbreaking story .
shawent 2 weeks ago
@shawent
Sadly, some 120 bodies lie along the north and south routes (80 others have been pushed in to crevasses or otherwise out of view). All of them were abandoned by their team members, paid agency (that being Asian trekking or other) and all mountaineers that passed them by while they were dying. Even today, every person that attempts the climb has to pass by their lifeless bodies. A stark reminder that given the slightest opportunity, the mountain will take your life.
igadiz 2 weeks ago
The body of Fancy's was pushed down the mountain and out of view in 2007 by no other than Ian Woodall who, back in 1998 had to make that hardest of decisions and leave her to die where they found her. He came back to Everest with the intention of giving her a decent burial, her words of "don't leave me here to die" still ringing in his ears. Sadly the weather was un cooperative and a Push down "Mountain burial" was all they could do for her
igadiz 2 weeks ago
Severe frost bite, Brain and pulmonary edema, and exhaustion are constant and very real threats. So attempting a recue or leaving them behind is a difficult decision to make while you are fighting for your own life.
Don't judge those who were confronted with such dilemmas too harshly.
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reginouh 3 months ago
David Sharp was left behind like an empty bottle of oxigen... useless... But if the almost 40 alpinists that passed through were in his place, what had they wanted? To be left agonizing? A chance to survive?
Selfishness prevailed.
In that same expedition year, australian Lincoln Hall was also dying at 8600m in a place next where David was. But american Daniel Mazur and his team gave up reaching the summit to save Lincoln´s life. What a double blessing!
This comment is my homage to David.
reginouh 3 months ago
@reginouh As I understand it Hall was better prepared (proper gloves) and had been with a larger party and could walk. David Sharp had no guide or Sherpa and people did stop but he couldn't get up.
wikichris 2 months ago 2
must be heavy up there... I think people talk about these things because most other 8000-ers are more difficult and deathlier then mt. everest, but that does not mean everest is probably one of the most heavy stuff one can do in their lifes...respect!
frankiboy1111 4 months ago
Does anyone have any pics of Francys Arsentiev on the mountain? I am sure *somebody* must have a picture of her.
ImoenOfTelengard 5 months ago
@drew2pac... i guess sitting on your fat ass typing these lines is very easy... I was at 7000 asshole and it's very tough up there. so quit being stupid and SHUT THE FUCK UP
codywinterful 6 months ago 12
@codywinterful Go fuck yourself for putting your loved ones through the agony of not knowing if you'll come home alive or not.
FUCK you, and all the people who died up there.
gullf1sk 1 week ago
@gullf1sk So I guess fuck all of the soldiers too, right? All the people that worked in the mines. Let's not forget about those who risked their lives on 9/11 or, actually, any other time they were needed. FUCK those people that helped out in the oil spills, and any time there's ever been a hurricane. Man, fuck all those people for risking their lives to do something they love (like mountain climbers do), & fuck them for putting their loved ones through such pain. No, wait, fuck you.
vogueology 1 week ago
@vogueology Yeah, not even close to the same fucking thing.
Climbing that fucking rock is POINTLESS.
Soldiers fight for whats right, and liberty for those who cant defend them selves.
The heroic people during 9\11 did it to save the lives of the people who were trapped.
The people who helped out with the oil spills literally saved the entire east coast of the US.
Fuck mountain climbers who achieve NOTHING but a hardon over they accomplishment and causing pain to others.
FUCK THEM.
gullf1sk 6 days ago
боюсь что радетели моральных принципов никогда не были в горах. каждый кто идет туда (а тем более - в одиночку) должен понимать что его ждет и чем он рискует. и требовать помощи от людей, которые сами еле передвигаются - чистейший эгоизм. ведь одиночки ни с кем не делят свой успех и победу. так что в случае поражения, каждый сам себе доктор, как бы цинично это не звучало. люди, которые идут группой, отвечают друг за друга. и, когда стоит жесткий выбор, выбирают жизнь своего напарника, а не чужую
MrBotva 7 months ago
@MrBotva знаете в чем заключается истинное покорение Эвереста в милосердии. Посмотрите кто истинный покоритель, или у вас на самом деле мозгов нет чтобы это понять
akulinaaa1 1 month ago
И зачем спрашивается туда переться?! Чтобы стать такой же сволочью, которая бросает умирающего ради достижения своей эгоистичной цели или для того, чтобы тебя бросили умирать свои же, а потом слагали песни о благородстве альпинистов. Булщит одним словом.
UbejSebiaObStol 7 months ago
This is B.S.! They sacrificed the man for the glory of getting to the top. David Sharp was was lucid and answering questions when they first passed him on their glory quest to the top. Sharp was only 800 feet above camp 3, but 10 days later Thomas Weber was saved from much higher at the second step. But Brice Russell has paying clients he needs to get to the top so the David Sharp was left to die. Shameful.
2011blueman 8 months ago
@2011blueman
THAT is B.S
Sharp was not lucid nor could he move. It would have been impossible for the climbers to lower Sharp down the steep ledges (this according to Sherpas).
Thomas Weber was conscious, able to walk, and the temperatue was not as low. All these critical factors contributed to his rescue.
loner1878 7 months ago
@loner1878 - I don't think you're actually familiar with the facts regarding David Sharp. The raw video footage from the discovery channel show directly contradicts your statements. Sharp was lucid when the first of Brice Russell's climbers stop, talked to him, then moved on to the go for the summit. Given the number of sherpas Brice had on the mountain, the fact that they carried down the amputee, etc. If Russell actually put human life above profit his team could have saved the man.
2011blueman 7 months ago
@2011blueman
The problem with rescuing Sharpe was that it would have needed a large number of skilled sherpas to get him down. But there were only a few sherpas, many exhausted rookie climbers, with one of them disabled, and all barely trying to stay alive. Even if they would've tried a rescue it would have been as if a bunch of nonswimmers had jumped into open water and try to rescue someone from drowning. Just a bigger mess. When you climb Mt Everest you have to accept that you could die.
loner1878 7 months ago
@loner1878 -you're obviously not an actual mountaineer. It doesn't matter that the guy paid a bargain company or that he wasn't a client of Russell. Real mountaineers don't leave a man to die in a summit attempt when they could save him. 800 feet from camp 3, below the 1st step, he could have been saved but the people that could have saved him choose profit and glory over a person's life. You really need to learn the real facts before posting again. You're making false statements left and right.
2011blueman 7 months ago 2
@2011blueman
Whatever you say dude. You're the one pointing fingers and throwing around blame while ignoring the fact that a rescue attempt would have likely failed due to the few Sherpas, the fact that it was night and Sharp's deteriorated condition.
loner1878 7 months ago
@loner1878 -"ignoring the fact..." do you know what you're talking about? How many sherpas do you think were there? Why do you keep saying it would be a night rescue? It was the early morning (3-4 a.m.) assent that he was encountered on. The rescue would have been a daytime rescue. There were plenty of sherpas. I'm not ignoring the facts, you're just ignorant of what the facts actually were. Russell flat out lied in what he said in this video as been proven by the raw audio and video.
2011blueman 7 months ago
@2011blueman
When they found him it was still dark. Sending for help would take time, by when Sharp was already as good as gone.
loner1878 7 months ago
@loner1878 - you should stop talking now because you just keep showing how completely uninformed and ignorant you are of the facts, as well how inexperienced you are at climbing.
2011blueman 7 months ago
@2011blueman
Are you claiming to be psychic now? Cool, what card am I holding in my hand right now?
loner1878 7 months ago
@2011blueman
I did see that footage. By "lucid" you seem to imply he was awake and talking, but in reality he could not stand and could only slightly move his head. He identified himself, but that's not going to help you get down a mountain. Once again, there were too few Sherpas to attempt a rescue. Sherpas said it would have been near impossible to maneuver him down. Add to that the factor of a night rescue.
Inlgis was not carried down until the final stretch when his prostetic broke.
loner1878 7 months ago
@loner1878 - you saw the footage from when they were coming down from the summit, not from when they went past on the way up. Everyone knows you have to accept that you could die when you climb Everest. You keep say that but that's not the issue. The fact that you could die isn't the issue. Russell had enough equipment and sherpas to get a person down from above the 2nd step if he wanted. But he decided to let a man die rather than tell his clients they couldn't summit. A life for money, Period.
2011blueman 7 months ago
@2011blueman
Wrong, in the footage I saw they were going up. No, there weren't enough Sherpas or equipment for that sort of rescue. Period.
loner1878 7 months ago
@loner1878 - you're welcome to your opinion but you're not a big mountain climber, you have little knowledge of the actual facts, and you don't know the people involved. I do.
2011blueman 7 months ago
@2011blueman
You can have your little opinion too. You can claim you know things, but I think you lack much rationality or reasoning on this particualr issue. I sure hope you don't try climbing Everest anytime soon.
LOL, didn't I already tell you I have climbed mountains and been part of a search and rescue team? Playing dumb I see. But whatever makes you happy.
loner1878 7 months ago
@loner1878 -"I already tell you I have climbed mountains and been part of a search and rescue team", I read it but to be honest I think you're a "weekend warrior" and not a real climber and mountaineer. What real mountains have you climbed? I sure hope you're not climbing on any mountain I'm on, because if we were I'd remind you of your callous inhuman statements, and then my group would still save your inexperienced ass.
2011blueman 7 months ago
@2011blueman
I think you're a bigmouthed self righteous youtube poster who is full of it. There's a reason I would never climb Everest, I know my experience level is not suited for it and I'm not willing to risk freezing to death. Even if I were, I wouldn't be delusional enough to expect other climbers to save me and risk themselves getting killed. My statements are rational (rather than your emotionally based wishful thoughts). Seems you've got nothing but insults left in your verbal arsenal.
loner1878 7 months ago
@loner1878 - you have now admitted that you're not an experienced mountaineer who doesn't have a clue yet you keep insulting me and calling me a bigmouth. I'm an experienced mountaineer and guide who knows the facts. You're just a weekend warrior who thinks he knows everything. Thanks for sharing your uninformed opinion but it's worth absolutely nothing. If you were actually in the climbing community you'd know why Russell is blamed.
2011blueman 7 months ago
@2011blueman
LOL, where did I admit that? I can tell you're just looking for insults to toss around. Frankly I'm tired of your little game and don't need to prove shit to you.
The reason I don't climb anymore is that I have had knee injuries that make it difficult for me to run, let alone climb anymore. But back when I was a climber I was no "weekend warrior."
If you were right the entire climbing community would have a unified opinion. Fact is, they don't. Keep on pointing fingers.
loner1878 7 months ago
@2011blueman
I find it very ridiculous that Russell is continually being blamed when Asian Trekking should be. Are you are three more climbers who singed with that company died climbing Mt Everest mere weeks after Sharpe?
loner1878 7 months ago
@loner1878 - Russell is blamed because he had the ability to save the man. It's not about what company he was climbing with. Actual mountaineers know the code, you're not a mountaineer and you obvious don't care about your fellow man. Mountaineers don't put profit ahead of people's lives. Russell does, and that's why people blame him.
2011blueman 7 months ago
@2011blueman
Yeah, even though Russell was at base camp you make it sound as though he was right there climbing with them. Then again you made the same dumb accusation at Mark Ingils. Obviously you're completely unaware that many experienced mountaineers have agreed that any rescue of Sharp would have been near impossible. Most of the people who haved criticized the entire situation are ones with zero mountaineering experience. Sharp's own family doesn't blame the other climbers. Take a hint.
loner1878 7 months ago
@loner1878 - actually most of the real mountaineers have said it would have been completely possible given his location and the large number of sherpas available. I'm not making it sound as though Russell was climbing, he hasn't climbed in 20 years and isn't really a mountaineer, he's a profiteer.
2011blueman 7 months ago
@2011blueman
LOL "real" mountaineers. On the actual climbing expedition, there were few available sherpas. Too few to have tried to maneuver Sharp down the mountainside. Man, I wonder how the criticism would be had they managed to drop him?
loner1878 7 months ago
@loner1878 - you said "I know my experience level is not suited for it" meaning you haven't climbed large mountains before and don't actually know what you're talking about. Now you're saying you don't even climb at all. Keep talking weedend warrior, you just keep showing your lack of experience and how little weight your opinion should count for.
2011blueman 7 months ago
@2011blueman LOl, that doesn't mean I haven't climber mountains before, it means I haven't climbed a mountain as high or cold as Mt Everest. Keep jumping to your conclusions. I already explained I was no "weekend warrior" and my climbing days are behind me.
Anyway, I find it interesting that someone with less mountaineering knowledge than you would be far more rational on an Everest rescue than such a self-professed expert like yourself.
Are you familiar with the case of Francys Arsentiev?
loner1878 7 months ago
@loner1878 - you sure have a high opinion of yourself and the rationality of your opinion. Not sure why you think Francys Arsentiev is relevant to this situation, but since your "rationality" precludes you from actually investigating the facts of this case before making your "rational" (a.k.a. asinine) statements , I'm done discussing this with you. I'd be happen to come back when you actually have high altitude experience and learn the facts surround Sharp's death.
2011blueman 7 months ago
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@2011blueman
Sorry for the absence (took a few weeks beach vacation. It was very nice, thank you).
Anyways, I'd like to point out your attempt to engage me in a pissing contest over who's climbed what was pointless to begin with. How much experience you or I have has no relevance on the fact that a rescue for Sharp was not feasible.
loner1878 6 months ago 5
@2011blueman
Even Sharp's own mother knows the other climbers are not to blame and has said so.
Sharp made many critical mistakes - he climbed with a bargain company that did not give him a radio, oxygen or Sherpa help. He climbed alone and at the wrong time of day. He did not have proper gloves. Anyone who climbs Everest knows they can die at any time and can't rely on other climbers for rescue.
You obvioulsy have no idea what the reality of climbing Everest is.
loner1878 7 months ago
@loner1878 - "You obvioulsy [sic] have no idea what the reality of climbing Everest is."
I've climbed Dhaulagiri and K2. I know the realities of climbing. I also know the reality of Everest and the heartless profiteering operators that have come to dominate that mountain. Had the climbers on that mountain that day been real climbers and/or Russell had chosen to put life over profit and peak (as real climbers do) then Sharp would be alive today.
2011blueman 7 months ago
@2011blueman
Sharp pretty much doomed himself. He signed with a bargain climbing company (Asia Trekkers - which you negelected to blame for taking his money and letting him go off to the mountain. For soem reason you blame a company he wasn't even participating with) that gave him no radio or oxygen or Sherpa help. He chose to climb alone, at the wrong time of day and did not have proper gloves.
I've climbed quite a few mountains myself and have been part of on search-and-rescue teams.
loner1878 7 months ago
@loner1878 - I have yet to successfully summit an 8000er, but I think I have a better idea than you what the reality of climbing Everest is.
2011blueman 7 months ago
The problem was that they walked by David Sharpe on the way up and didn't try to help until they were coming back. He was more alert earlier and if given DEX and O2 he may have had a chance.
MikefrMd 9 months ago
@MikefrMd
When they passed Sharpe it was dark. Many thought he was a dead body, some didn't see him. Either way, odds are he was doomed even before the expedition came across him.
Sharpe's own mother has said the other climbers are not to blame. Sharpe knew the risks.
loner1878 7 months ago
If it was so impossible to rescue David Sharpe that day how did David Masur and 3 others rescue Lincoln Hall just a few days later and he was at a higher altitude?
MikefrMd 9 months ago
@MikefrMd Because Lincoln Hall was able to get up on his feet. David Sharpe was not. Had Lincoln Hall not been able to get up and aid his rescuers, he probably would have been left to die as well.
4everplus1day 9 months ago
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freddyminchia 9 months ago
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freddyminchia 9 months ago
@Aiellu Hi friend, have you been able to identify any other bodies? So Fischer is the body with the skull, but all the Sharp pictures are censored. Would be interesting to see a picture of Sharp sitting next to Green Boots- Im sure someone has taken one. I know its morbid but its just so interesting to me finding out who these dead climbers are and why they died.
Pentdad 10 months ago 2
пидарасы, "адреналина" им мало. Из серии тех "адреналинщиков", которые зажариваются катаясь на крышах электропоездов. Ага, "победа над собой" еба. На муай-тай запишитесь или на рукопашку. Хоть польза будет. И адреналина хоть отбавляй.
orbitalhomicide88 10 months ago
чванливая сволочь из личного тщеславия, прихотей и "экстрима" забирается на гору. "Герои" еп. Уроды. Я понимаю цель там была бы научная или еще какая. Тем более даже она не стоит человеческой жизни. О семьях своих они подумали? или о семье того кого оставили умирать?
orbitalhomicide88 10 months ago
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NiceShimoN 11 months ago
@Aiellu It isn't. If you search david sharp on yahoo picture there's one there somewhere, he's lying back on his backpack and his head is a skeleton now.
cantroos 11 months ago
@Aiellu ..continue...There has been records of people being saved from more perilous locations on everest. They didn't use altitude sickness or were not in their right mind as their defense. So I'd say they are selfish - selfish to get up there.
AndrewSmith00000007 11 months ago
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@Aiellu And there has been records of people being saved from more perilous locations on everest. As a defense to their decision, they don't say there were in severe altitude sickness or they were not in their right mind; so I'm ruling them out. The only rational reason would be selfishness - selfishness to get up there.
AndrewSmith00000007 11 months ago
@Aiellu Base on article from Everestpress, it was head-mounted camera that was used to shoot DS scene because main camera was frozen. So I presume this wasn't real. After reading that article and some others, I can't help but wonder how these mountaineers sleep at night, especially the team leader, when they could help him. Sure, he was high up there. But, considering, how big their group was(over 10 people), it isn't too much/risky to ask to spare each of crew energy.
AndrewSmith00000007 11 months ago
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AndrewSmith00000007 11 months ago
Ужасно. У менпросто слов нет... немею от увиденного...
Djeta1000 11 months ago
Тотчас же все экспедиции, находившиеся на северной стороне, договорились между собой и выслали отряд из десяти шерпов ему на помощь. Сообща они сняли его с гребня и вернули к жизни.
TheDjRublev 1 year ago
Немного позднее был один эпизод, который окончательно разрешит споры о том, можно или нет оказывать помощь умирающему на Эвересте. Гид Гарри Кикстра получил задание вести одну группу, в которой среди его клиентов фигурировал Томас Вебер, имевший проблемы со зрением вследствие удаления в прошлом опухоли мозга. В день подъёма на вершину Кикстра, Вебер, пять шерпов и второй клиент, Линкольн Холл, вышли вместе из третьего лагеря ночью при хороших климатических условиях.
TheDjRublev 1 year ago
Обильно глотая кислород, немного более чем через два часа они наткнулись на труп Дэвида Шарпа, с брезгливостью обошли его и продолжили путь на вершину. Вопреки проблемам со зрением, которые высота должна была бы обострить, Вебер взбирался самостоятельно, используя перила. Всё происходило, как было предусмотрено. Линкольн Холл со своими двумя шерпами продвинулся вперёд, но в это время у Вебера серьёзно ухудшилось зрение.
TheDjRublev 1 year ago
В 50 метрах от вершины Кикстра решил закончить восхождение и направился со своим шерпом и Вебером обратно. Мало - помалу группа стала спускаться с третьей ступени, затем со второй… пока вдруг Вебер, казавшийся обессиленным и потерявший координацию, не бросил панический взгляд на Кикстру и не огорошил его: «Я умираю». И умер, падая ему на руки посреди гребня. Никто не мог его оживить.
TheDjRublev 1 year ago
Сверх того, Линкольн Холл, возвращаясь с вершины, стал чувствовать себя плохо. Предупреждённый по радио Кикстра, всё ещё находясь в состоянии шока от смерти Вебера, послал одного из своих шерпов навстречу Холлу, но последний рухнул на 8700 метрах и, несмотря на помощь шерпов, на протяжении девяти часов пытавшихся его оживить, не смог подняться. В семь часов они сообщили, что он мёртв.
TheDjRublev 1 year ago
Руководители экспедиции посоветовали шерпам, обеспокоенным начинающейся темнотой, оставить Линкольна Холла и спасать свои жизни, что они и сделали.Тем же самым утром, спустя семь часов, гид Дан Мазур, следовавший с клиентами по дороге на вершину, наткнулся на Холла, который, к удивлению, оказался жив. После того как ему дали чай, кислород и лекарства, Холл смог сам поговорить по радио со своей группой на базе.
TheDjRublev 1 year ago
Несколько дней спустя двух членов одной экспедиции из Кастилии Ла Манчи хватило, чтобы эвакуировать одного полуживого канадца по имени Винс с Северного седла (на высоте 7000 метров) под равнодушными взглядами многих из тех, кто там проходил.
TheDjRublev 1 year ago
Три дня спустя после гибели Дэвида Шарпа руководитель «Peace Project» Джеми Мак Гиннес и десять его шерпов спасли одного из его клиентов, вошедшего в штопор, немного погодя после восхождения на вершину. На это потратили 36 часов, но на импровизированных носилках его эвакуировали с вершины, донеся до базового лагеря. Можно или нельзя спасти умирающего? Он, конечно, немало заплатил, и это спасло ему жизнь.
TheDjRublev 1 year ago
Идите нахуй все кто пишут,что нельзя спасти человека на таких высотах,можно блять и если незнаете не пиздите втупую умники блять!.Дэвида Шарпа которого показывали на этом видео просто бросили подыхать как собаку,а в общем мимо него прошло 40 человек,но он нахуй не нужен был некому,правильно кто будет прерывать дорогую экспедицию,ради какого то оборванца,который имел в базовом лагере лишь повара и палатку.
TheDjRublev 1 year ago
Why the fuck is a double amputee climbing Everest and risking other people's lives? That's why he got blamed. In fact all 30 of them were fucking heartless and David Sharp was fucking stupid.
rishian222 1 year ago
Там физически невозможно спасти умирающего - это все равно, что будучи с 60 кг груза на спине пытаться поднять человека и тащить - нехватка кислорода, штормовой ветер и усталость - такие дела...
Strats13 1 year ago
Залезьте все ТУДА НАХУЙ И НЕ СЛАЗЬТЕ!!!Идиоты блядь.Я в шоке от вас.
Magnat678 1 year ago
don't blame them its not their fault, they were given info to walk on and leave him for their own good. if they had to tried to get him down they would have failed !! it is impossible, and even if they could have it was not their problem it was Asian Treckings problem David Sharp (RIP) was with them and they did not act because they are a cheap everest company who only give the min amount of support to their customers, they are to blame. David Sharp knew the risks !!!!
MrPoohbear40 1 year ago 2
вы долбаебы люди ВАМ ЧТО БЛЯТЬ НЕВМОГОТУ ПО ЗЕМЛЕ ХОДИТЬ? НАХУЙ ЕБАНЫЙ ЭВЕРЕСТ И ГОРЫ
ShyxBola 1 year ago
increible
MrJavierastorga 1 year ago
"agree with Edmond Hillary,If they had Even to get down the ladders they could have lowered him enough fresh men, or Sherpas Or slide him on a sled. a ll this shows is pride, better than their fellow man , rescue him if you can far more noble than the summit"
80mphtracks 1 year ago
Это не люди, это хуже дьявола во плоти. Во вторую мировую войну наши бойцы
своих с поля боя забирали, а здесь эти чмошники в мирное время так поступают со своими.
Pustahanov1 1 year ago
Fuck these mother fuckers.
Portilloizay 1 year ago
Я могу хоть сейчас поспорить что все "критики" до единого ни разу не поднимались выше десятиэтажки и просто не знают об условиях на Эвересте, где даже желудок перестает переваривать пищу и организм берет энергию напрямую из мышц, сжигая их. Неужели вы и вправду думаете что одни такие умные и порядочные а все другие за 50 лет активного освоения Эвереста так и не додумались похоронить погибших? Вы не в курсе сколько было отправлено экспедиций чтобы просто забрать тело? Ни одна не кончилась успешно
eushan 1 year ago 15
@eushan Они не понимают, что на такой высоте невозможно себе позволить роскошь нравственности
Chadiarov 1 year ago
Конченные выродки человеческого рода.... как жаль, что земля таких носит!
litvinovsm 1 year ago
I can respect Sir Hillarys opinion. If he had been climbing that mountain at that time he may have stopped and checked on the climber. But, I doubt if there was anything he could have done either. There are places on Everest where you have the option of assisting another climber, even one unable to assist in their rescue. This was not one of those places.
DouglasMiles1 1 year ago
I am judging neither of the decisions I posed to you. I simply put the question in a form non climbers can relate to. There are those who would rather die than to see someone else die. There are those who will survive even if doing so prevents them from saving another. Ask yourself what should they have done? Carrying him was not an option in that terain and at that altitude. If sitting with him for a bit or even sharing oxygen with him would have saved him, they may have done so.
DouglasMiles1 1 year ago
Those who critize climbers for not stopping and trying to rescue him in the death zone, think of this. Think of a raging flood where you are barely going from hand hold to hand hold trying not to be swept away and drowning. A man is being swept by you and grabs one of your arms. You feel your grip on your hand hold slipping from the added pull. What do you do? Do you loose your grip allowing both of you to be swept away and drown? Do you try to get him loose so you can save yourself? Quick now!
DouglasMiles1 1 year ago
the guy went up alone with no gloves and no oxygen. im not saying he deserved to die, but he wasnt exactly prepared. why should all these other climbers risk their lives to save him then?
frenchydawg 1 year ago
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@frenchydawg Because we are human being?
Sklb 1 year ago
anatoly (boukreev) rulez!!!
44gags 1 year ago
All these revolted people... put in the same situation would do NOTHING, even if they wanted. All of these heroes, I bet they haven't been higher than 4 km, or even on a mountain at all. You either pull your own weight or you don't. You either follow the rules, or you die.
FrozenHeart05 1 year ago
Осуждающие видно не понимают... на таких экстремальных высотах попытаться кого-то спасти = погибнуть самому в 99% случаях + потянуть за собой всю группу. Вы думаете тела никто не забирает и не хоронит просто так? Да на это нужна отдельная экспедиция из десятков человек, это долгая подготовка, это огромный риск. Да и те, кто пытается покорить Эверест / К-2 должны понимать всё огромную степень риска, должны быть готовы там остаться навсегда в конце концов...
CKkarasu 1 year ago
Комментаторы видать не разу на тысячники не восходили.
Там невозможно позволить себе роскошь нравственности! Помог=растратил свои силы=погиб сам и возможно убил свою группу!
MrShuravy 1 year ago
Да ну?
Что-то мы в одной кавказской республике на "выходах" своих не бросали. Наоборот, под пулями еще и тела вытаскивали, чтоб с собой унести. Там тоже была куча вариантов, что "помог,растратил силы, погиб сам, убил группу, сорвал поставленную задачу".
Хотя - о чем это я? Альпинисты - они крутые и святые. Куда мне, пехотинцу со свиным рылом в калашный ряд лезть.
Так что Ваши отмазки про "тысячники" не более чем отмазки. Которые очень "хорошо" Вас характеризуют.
NordTa 1 year ago 4
Вот уроды! (С)
ktulich 1 year ago
I hope Mark Inglis burns in hell. After all the people that helped him get off Mount Cook (where he lost his legs due to frostbite) - he ignored a dying man for his own selfish ambitions.
Not only that, but then lied to cover his own back - but forgetting that all the calls were logged, and the discovery chanel were filming them.
I hope you rot in hell Marl. You are a murderer
drew2pac 1 year ago 6
@drew2pac
LOL, why is everyone blaming the double amputee for not strapping a frozen man to his back when there were 40 other people on the expedition? Blame somebody with legs, you fucking idiot.
You have zero clue what a rescue on My Everest entails. Its not like Mt Cook.
loner1878 7 months ago
@loner1878 no true, but he left him to die as he was running out of time to summit. and dude, quit with the name calling, grow up.
also the incident is recorded in part on tv, so think before you talk. i see you have replied to everyone on here! get a life dude
drew2pac 7 months ago
@drew2pac
I've seen the recording, so quit making that excuse. Even Sharpe's own mother has said the other climbers are not to blame.
Sherpas on the expedition said it would have been near impossible to maneuver Sharpe down the steep cliffs. Sharpe was doomed before the expedition even reached him for a number of factors.
Its called the DEATH ZONE for a good reason.
Sorry if you consider 10 minutes on youtube a lack of a life. So why do you have an account here?
loner1878 7 months ago
@drew2pac
LOL if you think three comments out of 7+ pages of comments is "everyone on here." Not exactly an accurate insult. Try again, will you?
loner1878 7 months ago
@drew2pac Well him but all of them 40 or so of them.
BlueTransAm83 6 months ago
Козлы! И Дискавери тоже уроды!
YaropolkMSK 1 year ago
ни одно спортивное достижение не компенсирует моральную низость людей, не оказавших помощь погибающему. Нет оправданий. Сволочи.
zelmedvedzh 1 year ago 31
@zelmedvedzh , там дело не в достижениях. Просто там нагрузка за гранью человеческого понимания. Я помню, как однажды чуть не начал мочиться в штаны, идя с солнечным ударом в группе.
А на Эвересте ведь гораздо сложнее.
intershull 1 year ago
@zelmedvedzh
на высоте выше 6ти тысяч метров люди, которые спасают погибающих умирают вместе с ними...
успешних случаев спасения единицы!
Farkas013 1 year ago
@zelmedvedzh
Посмотрел бы я на тебя на высоте 8000 метров. Там лишь бы самому дойти, хоть куда-нибудь.
SevloPeresvet 11 months ago
"Невозможно позволить себе роскошь нравственности на высоте более 8000 метров"
Эти слова хорошо передают то, что творится там. И те кто думаю "Как так? Сволочи" и т.д. Да вы себя представьте там...! На себе тащить его? Потом вас обоих так же будут обходить стороной.
NiceShimoN 11 months ago 4
@NiceShimoN Людей кричащих про нравственность, было бы хорошо заставить подняться и спуститься хотя бы на 3000 метра вверх, с хотя бы 50 кг рюкзаком. Послушали бы потом от них про нравственность и морализм.
Avelachim 9 months ago
@NiceShimoN Если для тебя роскошь - нравственность( не важно на какой высоте)
я представляю себе какой ты человек и какая у тебя " нравственность"
akulinaaa1 1 month ago
@zelmedvedzh
городской обыватель закукарекал
alcoholismus777 10 months ago
@zelmedvedzh Вот послушайте этого человека @Aiellu В горах (особенно на такой высоте) не действуют законы и правила которые действуют в обычных условиях человека. На больших высотах каждый за себя, т.к. каждый шаг это борьба за собственную жизнь.
Avelachim 9 months ago