@UncleTrucker81 .did you know that a load of nazis SS murderers ect joined the cia after the war ?..some doctors from ausschwitz for example did some cruel mind control experiments on american citizen...persons like prescott bush or the father of jf kennedy nevery denied their sympathy for the nazis...you have a fascist problem in your goverment.and fascism is a child of the vatican (anticommunism, antisemitism)...watch the video on my channel !!...robert hanssen for sure was aware of this facts
just goes to show, doesnt matter how bad a crime you commit if you're white, the police won't tackle you to the ground. if that was a black dude going ten over the speed limit, he woula been on the ground with a knee in his face
I see that a few people put that this man's sentence was harsh. Well lets see if I understand the story of Robert Hanssen, he spied for the Russians from '79 to '01 against his own country where at least 3 KGB spies who worked for the US were killed, possibly more, he put this country in danger all those years, even in the periods of hibernation. So Treason is what he committed, I think he deserves every minute. Now a person who commits murder out of raw emotion may get more than deserved.
He told the Soviets about the tunnel we dug under their embassy, the Presidential designated survivor plan, and a lot of other damaging secrets. He deserves to be in ADX Florence for the rest of his life.
@cazzo53 True, we dont know if what they say is true - did he sell nuclear secrets, defense strategies, spy lists, top secret documents for 20 years? I mean, I dont think they would imprison someone for life "cause he's not needed anymore". Then again, I guess they dont want to reveal what secrets he sold and tip your hand like that to the bad guys, hoping they would miss it. But we'll never know. I guess only Hanssen knows. Still, intriging story
@trentmuch1 Um, you do realize this started in 1979, dont you? He did it for 20 years, the FBI was too dumb to think it was one of their own. Additionally, Aldrich and Pitts were caught during the same time, so when they surfaced, they thought they got everyone. Hanssen slipped thru the cracks. They arrested him in 2001 because despite cold war being over, all the updated secrets he sold - how we would respond to a nuclear attack, our defenses, current spy lists, Harldy penny-ante secrets.
@trentmuch1 Countries, even during peace times, would love to know what the other folks have. He could still sell - people always want an edge. Oh and Im not disputing it wasn't vengnece - do you want to send out a message to current spies that 'eh, you'll only get 10 years for treason'? They'd risk it knowing only have to wait 10 years to spend money hidden. His betrayal caused the death of agents on both sides. If your loved one was one of those killed, would you ever want him to be free?
Would I ever want him to be free? I think it's clear that I would - Even under the circumstances you mentioned.
You've also made the serious mistake of equating vengeance and cruelty, with 'deterrence'.
People rarely consider the consequences of their actions, since the democratic promise of a fair trial means that you could defend yourself well, and "get away with it". So people who WANT to break the law, for whatever prize, often WILL break the law, because the outcome isn't set.
@trentmuch1 WOW! Glad Im not related to you lol :) JK. If a spy caused my brothers murder, I wouldnt want him free. And you are dead on right - not much deterrence - people do what they want anyway. But here's something we debated in our law class and Id love to get your view since you seem intelligent - do you think MORE people would spy if punishment was lenient. I.e., do you think it deters anyone? Or are you saying it only deters those on the fence.
The commision of this type of espionage seems largely counter-intuitive. Effectively, it would not be in your interest to 'spy' on your own soil UNLESS the remuneration was sufficient. If the FBI paid this man a pittance (With respect to his expectations), then any 'higher-offer' - even from an enemy state - would have been attractive.
He made an error of judgement that ought not to be taken lightly. But I still feel that the sentence passed was excessive! :P
And so to reply to your question - "Do you think it deters anyone"?
No. It doesn't deter anyone. The money is good, and the prospect of being caught is nominal.
However, if Mr. Hanssen had KNOWN he was walking into hell, as it were, then I doubt he'd have been stupid enough to do it. So the sentence is overly severe and cruel (And unusual,..?), because the expectation of the imposition of such a sentence was not considered by the defendant, at the time.
@trentmuch1 I never interviewed him, but as an investigator, I have studied the criminal mind. I really dont think Hanssen did it for the gain...but the game. He hated that he was inferior, that he thought he was smarter than everyone else. And when they didnt make him a field agent, he was like 'Ill show you'. One could argue he didnt ask for much money to be under the radar. Possible. But this guy I think is different. I think he liked the power, revenge, slightened in some sick way.
@trentmuch1 Your response if Hanssen known...his last letter to the russians said he knew he was under surveillance - radio tipping off a GPS. I dont know if he knew he would get caught that particular day, but if on the radar, why make a drop? Why not wait until cooled down? Arrested, he is reported as acting non-chalant and saying 'what took you so long'. Maybe he wanted it over. I dunno. I like and respect your views tho, maybe you are right. Only Hanssen knows, I guess
@trentmuch1 ...cont'd do you think if there was someone who was considering would not do it but someone like Robert Hanssen who NEEDED that victory, or Ear Pitts who NEEDED that money and was VERY disgruntled, it wouldnt deter them. But someone who was eh, either way. Does it deter anyone? Your thoughts on that.
Sorry Im so chatty, I like discussions. Oh and thanks for not flaming me or insulting me - youve been professional and I thank you, unlike some on the Internet...
Well I appreciate the opportunity to debate, without having to debase!
You mentioned that Mr. Hanssen was reasonably aware that he was being watched (I didn't know that).
Is it possible, perhaps, that his continuation of espionage (under the circumstances) was fuelled by a Narcissistic personality disorder? In which case, a psychiatrist would be far more useful than a prison guard...
That is sad. I think he's intelligent and cool. I hope he's okay in the joint! One hour out a day. They better give him a computer to work on as he was a genius.
why u people hate himso much!?
99681655 1 week ago
I just got through watching a movie called Breach based on this. I am glad the FBI nailed his ass to the wall.
msinclair1991 1 month ago
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I like this video better its got all the action shots they left out.
smoky1ful 2 months ago
Always good seeing traitors get what they deserve.
0neofthem 2 months ago
In the old days of America, he would be hanged in front of a crowd of people for treason. Too bad that's 'immoral' not.. pffft!
JoshNM24 3 months ago
@JoshNM24
Wow. You're incredibly stupid :S
trentmuch1 2 weeks ago
I wish they could track down those trillions missing from the treasury.
LittleCupCakez 3 months ago
sucker
PeytonManningguy 4 months ago
Hanssen is such a butthole...
300Spartans 6 months ago
I think Robert Hansen got what he deserved for what he did to our country. I grew up near where Robert Hanssen was arrested.
UncleTrucker81 6 months ago
@UncleTrucker81 .did you know that a load of nazis SS murderers ect joined the cia after the war ?..some doctors from ausschwitz for example did some cruel mind control experiments on american citizen...persons like prescott bush or the father of jf kennedy nevery denied their sympathy for the nazis...you have a fascist problem in your goverment.and fascism is a child of the vatican (anticommunism, antisemitism)...watch the video on my channel !!...robert hanssen for sure was aware of this facts
05giacomo 6 months ago
@UncleTrucker81 nevertheless i understand how you thinking of course !..but sometimes things are a little more complex ;))
05giacomo 6 months ago
i'm so happy the FBI took this animal off our streets.. we dont need traitors in our country
VEDER41 6 months ago
just goes to show, doesnt matter how bad a crime you commit if you're white, the police won't tackle you to the ground. if that was a black dude going ten over the speed limit, he woula been on the ground with a knee in his face
r0llskyay0 7 months ago
@r0llskyay0 this is the FBI doing this takedown, not the cops, big difference there in training and professionalism. are you black?
lndrpol 7 months ago
@r0llskyay0 Give us a second to get our miniture violins out for you.
MerryGoFuckYourself 7 months ago
@r0llskyay0 You cretin... He was an old man. A spy, not a drug dealer. No need for force.
treenster999 6 months ago
@r0llskyay0 Blacks like to resist arrest that's why.
0neofthem 6 months ago
Love seeing this guy get arrested. What a scumbag.
Stophocles 8 months ago 2
The first 10 seconds of this video... last time he ever walks a free man. After that, his life = over. Game over. The final chapter ended.
tqsuited 11 months ago 4
I see that a few people put that this man's sentence was harsh. Well lets see if I understand the story of Robert Hanssen, he spied for the Russians from '79 to '01 against his own country where at least 3 KGB spies who worked for the US were killed, possibly more, he put this country in danger all those years, even in the periods of hibernation. So Treason is what he committed, I think he deserves every minute. Now a person who commits murder out of raw emotion may get more than deserved.
1Bawden 11 months ago 12
@1Bawden I could not agree more!
arofluv 10 months ago
@1Bawden
He told the Soviets about the tunnel we dug under their embassy, the Presidential designated survivor plan, and a lot of other damaging secrets. He deserves to be in ADX Florence for the rest of his life.
NeilFraudstrong 8 months ago 2
@1Bawden very very well spoken my friend.
littlecarrey 5 months ago
@cazzo53 True, we dont know if what they say is true - did he sell nuclear secrets, defense strategies, spy lists, top secret documents for 20 years? I mean, I dont think they would imprison someone for life "cause he's not needed anymore". Then again, I guess they dont want to reveal what secrets he sold and tip your hand like that to the bad guys, hoping they would miss it. But we'll never know. I guess only Hanssen knows. Still, intriging story
tellurye 1 year ago
Isn't the 'Cold War' over?
The secrets he shared (Penny-Ante secrets at that...) are surely now a source of humour between both Nations?
Oh, but of course a VENGEFUL example must be made, yada yada.....
trentmuch1 1 year ago
@trentmuch1 Um, you do realize this started in 1979, dont you? He did it for 20 years, the FBI was too dumb to think it was one of their own. Additionally, Aldrich and Pitts were caught during the same time, so when they surfaced, they thought they got everyone. Hanssen slipped thru the cracks. They arrested him in 2001 because despite cold war being over, all the updated secrets he sold - how we would respond to a nuclear attack, our defenses, current spy lists, Harldy penny-ante secrets.
tellurye 1 year ago
@tellurye
You're right. Kinda :P. They were serious secrets... AT THE TIME.
Today.
Life without parole? In Segregation? Still??
Vengenace. NOT Justice. Let the worm go. He couldn't sell any more secrets to the "Soviets" at a dollar a-piece if he tried!
trentmuch1 1 year ago
@trentmuch1 Countries, even during peace times, would love to know what the other folks have. He could still sell - people always want an edge. Oh and Im not disputing it wasn't vengnece - do you want to send out a message to current spies that 'eh, you'll only get 10 years for treason'? They'd risk it knowing only have to wait 10 years to spend money hidden. His betrayal caused the death of agents on both sides. If your loved one was one of those killed, would you ever want him to be free?
tellurye 1 year ago
@tellurye
Would I ever want him to be free? I think it's clear that I would - Even under the circumstances you mentioned.
You've also made the serious mistake of equating vengeance and cruelty, with 'deterrence'.
People rarely consider the consequences of their actions, since the democratic promise of a fair trial means that you could defend yourself well, and "get away with it". So people who WANT to break the law, for whatever prize, often WILL break the law, because the outcome isn't set.
trentmuch1 1 year ago
@trentmuch1 WOW! Glad Im not related to you lol :) JK. If a spy caused my brothers murder, I wouldnt want him free. And you are dead on right - not much deterrence - people do what they want anyway. But here's something we debated in our law class and Id love to get your view since you seem intelligent - do you think MORE people would spy if punishment was lenient. I.e., do you think it deters anyone? Or are you saying it only deters those on the fence.
tellurye 1 year ago
@tellurye
Interesting posit...
The commision of this type of espionage seems largely counter-intuitive. Effectively, it would not be in your interest to 'spy' on your own soil UNLESS the remuneration was sufficient. If the FBI paid this man a pittance (With respect to his expectations), then any 'higher-offer' - even from an enemy state - would have been attractive.
He made an error of judgement that ought not to be taken lightly. But I still feel that the sentence passed was excessive! :P
trentmuch1 1 year ago
And so to reply to your question - "Do you think it deters anyone"?
No. It doesn't deter anyone. The money is good, and the prospect of being caught is nominal.
However, if Mr. Hanssen had KNOWN he was walking into hell, as it were, then I doubt he'd have been stupid enough to do it. So the sentence is overly severe and cruel (And unusual,..?), because the expectation of the imposition of such a sentence was not considered by the defendant, at the time.
He simply didn't know better.
trentmuch1 1 year ago
@trentmuch1 I never interviewed him, but as an investigator, I have studied the criminal mind. I really dont think Hanssen did it for the gain...but the game. He hated that he was inferior, that he thought he was smarter than everyone else. And when they didnt make him a field agent, he was like 'Ill show you'. One could argue he didnt ask for much money to be under the radar. Possible. But this guy I think is different. I think he liked the power, revenge, slightened in some sick way.
tellurye 1 year ago
@trentmuch1 Your response if Hanssen known...his last letter to the russians said he knew he was under surveillance - radio tipping off a GPS. I dont know if he knew he would get caught that particular day, but if on the radar, why make a drop? Why not wait until cooled down? Arrested, he is reported as acting non-chalant and saying 'what took you so long'. Maybe he wanted it over. I dunno. I like and respect your views tho, maybe you are right. Only Hanssen knows, I guess
tellurye 1 year ago
@trentmuch1 ...cont'd do you think if there was someone who was considering would not do it but someone like Robert Hanssen who NEEDED that victory, or Ear Pitts who NEEDED that money and was VERY disgruntled, it wouldnt deter them. But someone who was eh, either way. Does it deter anyone? Your thoughts on that.
Sorry Im so chatty, I like discussions. Oh and thanks for not flaming me or insulting me - youve been professional and I thank you, unlike some on the Internet...
tellurye 1 year ago
@tellurye
Well I appreciate the opportunity to debate, without having to debase!
You mentioned that Mr. Hanssen was reasonably aware that he was being watched (I didn't know that).
Is it possible, perhaps, that his continuation of espionage (under the circumstances) was fuelled by a Narcissistic personality disorder? In which case, a psychiatrist would be far more useful than a prison guard...
trentmuch1 1 year ago
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@trentmuch1
"Someone who was eh, either way."
No, I don't think the sentence would be a deterrent to those people either.
I'll accept that the motive wasn't 'financial gain' - Because you don't think it was, and I don't know any different.
That leaves the issue of motivation open. He didn't do what he did just for the hell of it, so just what exactly WAS his motive?
If it wasn't for want of "x,y and z", then...what? :P
trentmuch1 1 year ago
time for a little water boarding
tomjohnson1974 1 year ago
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Better idea about Russain women gettop5.info
alizanorrellfht 1 year ago
im glad he's spending 23 hours a day in solitary confinement for the rest of his life.
0neofthem 1 year ago
Careful with what you write... they are watching us.
FeverBelieber 1 year ago
traitor giving intel to the russian how create communism are you nuts.
Juan777fl 1 year ago
That is sad. I think he's intelligent and cool. I hope he's okay in the joint! One hour out a day. They better give him a computer to work on as he was a genius.
LadyLostInBooks 1 year ago
I love how the one FBI agent takes out his badge and throws it on the ground like a piece of garbage.
zarathustra135 1 year ago
@zarathustra135 he didn't throw his badge down. It was a roll of tape that he used to mark the sign to signal the Russians.
ADROKMCA 1 year ago
OMG. Is this the real thing? THis is when it really happened?
How cool!
scottohscott 1 year ago