The thing about you christians is you act like atheist are the one's name calling, mocking, all that. Yet you do it just as much if not worse. I think it's plain rude and contradicting what you are trying to say. I find you frustrated.
There are over 30 000 Christian denominations in the US alone. Christians don't even get their own house in order by the broken method of theology, yet they apply it recklessly to judge, hurt and ostracise other people.
I don't think you are a mean person, Jack.
But your religion lets you act as one, while nullifying your conscience at the same time.
If that isn't reason to be frustrated, I don't know what is.
Anyone who has dealt with children knows that ignorance can be frustrating, however, it's how maturely you handle the ignorance that determines what kind of person you are and how you should be seen. I don't think anyone should state anything as a fact if it can't be proven or unproven. And where is the logic in teaching these "facts" with no opposing views to those who are too young or too ignorant to know how to really research something and decide what to believe for themselves?
Hmm.. I wonder if these comments are "pending approval..." Btw, which "God" are you referring to? There are so many... Do you mean the Jewish one that's trying to take over the entire planet even though it's only 2,000 years old (somehow a different god from the 6,000 year old one?) BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA what a funny god.
Atheist do not tell you how to teach your children, but tell what you should NOT be teaching your children. Indocrination In my opinion is teaching chlldren non logical rules before a child has the ability of telling the difference logically. Setting up a blueprint in their mind on how to think.
@theshadowify wtf? EVERYBODY indoctrinates thier children. whether you are conscious of it or not. Their language, beliefs, political views, clothes they wear, what they see on TV, ect. Indoctrination is to instruct, to imbue, generally a point of view, opinion, principle. Its socialization. Everybody goes through it. Thats how u can understand my writing, how u believe the stuff u believe, ect. " Setting up a blueprint in their mind on how to think." Exactly. everybody does it. its why u think-
@ikcjjtt Indoctrination is distinguished from education by the fact that the indoctrinated person is expected not to question or critically examine the doctrine they have learned. So yes, parents do indoctrinate their children to keep them safe from harm and teach them to behave. But that is their own children. They know what is best for their children. Christians on the other hand want to indoctrinate everybody. Not just their own children. And what they teach is harmful to others.
@theshadowify no, its distinguished by socialization- getting kids prepared for life in thier culture. (no, u cant question it. U dont step in front of a moving car because it kills u. U dont beat up the cops because they will kill u)
Educate-to instruct. (usually in math, science, history, ect, or some form of trade.
U cant indoctrinate an adult. its too late, u can try to convert them, sell stuff to them, get them to join the team,bribe them, but that is inherently DIFFERENT from-
@ikcjjtt The definition I gave is the correct one. You can make up your own definition if you want, but you would be wrong. If you cant handle the truth, thats not my problem, its yours.
@theshadowify indoctrination. Businesses do that all the time. Turn on the TV right now. Advertisements is what u will see. Are some of them harmful, yes. (drugs and fast food is bad for you). But u have the right to say NO and move on. they are not brainwashing u or indoctrinating you. or forcing u. Same with religion. If u feel that it is harmful, no one is forcing u to believe. People teach thier values to thier kids because they believe it will suit them best as it had them. If u dont-
@ikcjjtt Make up your mind. First you say Business do it all the time, then you say they are not indoctrinating you.
The truth is, YES, they are indoctrinating and brainwashing you. They tell you all the good things about their product but leave out the bad. Yes, you have the right to say no, but you are lead to believe what they want you to believe. I dont think they should be aimed at children.
@theshadowify its called advertising. No such thing as brainwashing, and it's not indoctrinating in any dictionary in the USA. U cant protect children from everything they see on Tv.
@ikcjjtt Yes, it is called advertising. But they go beyond just advertising. They do go into brainwashing and indoctrination. You ever seen the disclaimers at the bottom of the screen. They have to put it there by law. But they print it so small that you cant read it. Have you ever heard that it is against the law to put subliminal messages in comercials. Well, it is against the law. It is a form of brain washing.
@theshadowify its called being smart. and advertising to your selected audience. Of course u dont want them to know smoking causes lung cancer, so u leave that out. It's just the people being ignorant. Not some washing of the brain as seen in movies.
@ikcjjtt Its called being smart???? WTF? Are you just a complete moron?What the hell you mean ofcourse you dont want them to know about lung cancer?What kind of fucking retard are you?That is disgustingly dishonest and immoral.
@ikcjjtt I wouldn't, thats who. Obviously you have already been indoctrinated into thinking money is more important than people. I find that kind of thinking repulsive. In fact, that is the exact type of thinking that got us into this economic mess.
@theshadowify thats probably true, but Americans are the ones who put monetary value on human lives...99.9% of busineeses are profit motivated. When someone dies in an accident, someone gets sued for $. Celebrities are worth $ as well. Repulsive as you may think, it IS the culture.
@ikcjjtt It is a sad truth about America, that there is monetary on human lives. It is true that celbrities and athletes are worth $. But that does not make it justifiable or a SMART advertising to leave out harmful information.
@ikcjjtt No such thing as brainwashing???Are you kidding me? There are documented studies about brainwashing. Not to mention real life examples. No, you cant protect your children from seeing everything. That doesnt mean you dont try to protect them from the things you find most harmful
Indoctrination:to teach (someone) to fully accept the ideas, opinions, and beliefs of a particular group and to not consider other ideas, opinions, and beliefs . That is straight out of the dictionary.
@theshadowify not in any of the 10 dictionaries i just researched, but it's close enough. I did papers on brainwashing as well, and a report. Indoctrination, socialization, education, wutever= brainwashing. That is nothing more than a popular term used by the media to characterize teachings that they dont agree with. When u teach a child about a religion, it's brainwashing. When u teach them to not beleive in any religion its learning. I have debated this with PHD phychologist, and they had-
@ikcjjtt I got the definition online from Meriam Webster. Brainwashing is more than just a term. Have you ever heard of Jones Town. These people were lead to believe that they were going to see God by drinking poisoness koolaid. When you teach a child about religion, it is indoctrination. Telling them to believe in something primitive man wrote thousands of years ago. Teaching a kid about science is based on facts, not superstition.
@theshadowify yea, its a silly term with no real meaning outside of socialization, indoctrination, teaching,advertisements, whatever. Its an example of indoctrination. " Telling them to believe in something primitive man wrote thousands of years ago." Your point? Education differs from indoctrination because its supposed to be based on critical thinking and questioning what is taught...in theory. Doesnt work that way in America though...but thats a discussion for another time.
@theshadowify nothing to say because its a bullshit term used to cover up indoctrination, socialization, education, ect. When ever someone doesnt agree with what is being taught. Teach a kid science and its education, teach him how to kill and its brainwashing. Its double standards is what it is, which America is full of.
@ikcjjtt Your statement is just ignorant. If you teach a child about science, then you are teaching him facts about the scietific world. Teaching him about the bible is just teaching him myths.
@theshadowify ignorance based on research and debate. I think u are missing the point of my discussion. My point is teaching religion is the same as teaching morals,politics,values,socialization ect. Science/education is something completly different. My point is indoctrination/socialization/"brainwashing" is what we all go through, same with education. It doesnt matter if what u r learning is false, as long as u learn it and apply it, the system survives.
@ikcjjtt With teaching politics,socialization, you are educating them to fit into society as the culture is. With indoctrination and brainwashing, you are creating a culture.
@theshadowify politics=socialization=indoctrination="brainwashing". Creating a culture= fitting into a current culture. (particularly in America where the cultures are diverse). All the same stuff.
@theshadowify u have yet to show a single definition of brainwashing. And when i researched it, it was a synonim for indoctrination and socialization.It meant the same thing. Think about it logically. What is the difference between propaganda, advertisements, teaching a religion, ect. if the guy decides to buy that burger, hate that country, learn that religion, is it not the same thing? Why call one socialization, indoctrination, and brainwashing? I made speeches about this, its a silly concept
@theshadowify great example of brainwashing, socialization, indoctrination, conditioning, ect. They did the same thing at my church,elementry,middle, highschool, college, job, and martial arts dojo. One guy even quit the job because he said "This is just brainwashing!". We were in training so of course we had to learn how to use the equipment. Or cut off our hands trying to figure it out. U act as if this is a bad thing. If u dont listen to your training u can get hurt, expecially in jujutsu.
@ikcjjtt I am sorry, but I see this goes farther than socialization. Even farther than indoctrination.This is just all out brainwashing. If they are doing the same thing in your church, and job etc, then they are going to far.They have never done anything like this is at any school that I attended, or job. Nor did they go to such extremes in my karate class. We had to learn some Japanese names of stances, and count to 10 in Japanese. I guess that is how I see it. As different depths.
@theshadowify of course there are different depths, but that doesnt change what it's called. Just as it being bad or good doesnt change the name. It is what it is. strong or weak indoctrination is still indoctrination.
@ikcjjtt If you have 2 hills, one to your left, and one to your right. The one on your left is 50ft high. The one on your right is 5000ft high. The one on your left is no longer called a hill. It is a mountain. Somewhere along the line, a hill becomes a mountain. From the moment that we are born, we are educated, and indoctrinated. This becomes a blueprint on our brain and is who we are. Brainwashing breaks down this blueprint and rebuilds it to a point that you think differently.
@ikcjjtt um no. It becomes a mountain. It is not Hill Everest. It is not The Rocky Hills. It is not The Smokey Hills. It is MOUNT Everest. The Rocky MOUNTAINS. The Smokey MOUNTAINS. In 40yrs you may not think exactly the same, but the basic blueprint is still there. As years go by, you mostly just add to the blueprint you already have. Unless you make a major effort to change your blueprint. I know, it was not easy for me to break down my blueprint of religion that I had.
@theshadowify it doesnt really matter, my point is that brainwashing is not some super form of indoctrination. and socialization is not some weaker form of it. Of course there are different intensities, but they all go by the same name. Brainwashing/indoctrination is brainwashing/indoctrination, whether at level 1 or 10. The intensity doesnt change the word or its meaning. Besides, high level intensity is good for interrigation and torcher.
@ikcjjtt Brainwashing is Indoctrination that forces people to abandon their beliefs in favor of another set of beliefs. Usually associated with military and political interrogation and religious conversion, brainwashing attempts, through prolonged stress, to break down an individual's physical and mental defenses. Brainwashing techniques range from vocal persuasion and threats to punishment, physical deprivation, mind-altering drugs, and severe physical torture.
@theshadowify proves all my points. "Brainwashing is Indoctrination". self explanatory."that forces people to abandon their beliefs in favor of another set of beliefs." so is indoctrination. "Usually associated with military and political interrogation and religious conversion," But when associated with something else, it goes by a different name (socialization). "brainwashing attempts, through prolonged stress, to break down an individual's physical and mental defenses"-
@theshadowify not quite sure what they mean, sounds more like phychological torture. "Brainwashing techniques range from vocal persuasion and threats to punishment, physical deprivation, mind-altering drugs, and severe physical torture."
Indoctrination at its finest-politics love the vocal stuff, punishment is for socialization and religion, deprivation is for martial arts training, military to, drugs is for the medical field, torture is reserved for the government.
@theshadowify that defintion solidify's every point i made. The 1st 3 words says it all. "vocal persuasion" ohhh, you cant even have socialization without that, let alone indoctrination. And i can give you more examples of those other techniques being used all over the usa that even you would consider as indoctrination. and remember when i said levels dont change the word or its meaning? "Brainwashing techniques range from..." All levels r there, and its all the same thing.
@ikcjjtt I did try to come up with some common ground that we might agree on. While going to school, you are taught that gays are bad, evil, and sinful. Then that is indoctrination. But if you instead you were taught that gays are good, not evil, and not sinful. Then that is also indoctrination. But if you just teach that there are gay people and some of them raise families, then that is just edcation, not indoctrination.
@theshadowify though did they ever talk about Jesus in the Jesus camp? I think they are indoctrinating the wrong thing into the kids. It will just make them confused and turn away from religion. They need to be teaching practicality, not jibberish.
@ikcjjtt From what I understand is that they made this documentary about Jesus Camp. When it got televised, so many people got upset and complained about it, that they closed it down. So yes I do think it was a bad thing.
@theshadowify that does nothing more than to strengthen racism, glorify double standards, cause ecocentricism, and mislead the public. Nothing good comes from that word or the concept. If a white guy drinks its called socializing, if a black guy drinks its called being a drunk. Thats all brainwashing does, sets a double standard. Teach politics to kids, its socialization, teach language to kids, its indoctrination. Teach religion to kids its brainwashing. kids didnt get to pick ANY of them.
@ikcjjtt Indoctrination and brainwashing is an attack on someones subconscious. Hypnotist use it all the time. If you have enough repetition in what is being said, then you can alter one's thoughts.
@theshadowify wtf? based on what research? Even the 10 dictionaries said nothing of attack or subconscious.Neither did my research. Hypnosist dont force shit on people, people let them go into their minds. Just because u dont approve of whats being taught, doesnt mean its some mystical attack on helpless children with no choice. Its socialization on kids with no concepts to begin with. Its not an attack, its learning about the culture and its important.
@ikcjjtt It may not be in the dictionary, but that is about what happens when you have a captive audience.A child has no choice but to sit there and learn whatever is being taught. Socialization on kids, is just that, but indoctrination is creating a culture, and goes beyond socialization. If there was no indoctrination, then people would allow gays to marry.
@theshadowify this has nothing to do with marriage and gays. just because someone creates a culture that u dont agree with, doesnt it make it evil.Besides, christianity is part of the American culture. Socialization is closely tied to indoctrination. Thats like saying campaigns are too political. Or water is too wet. no shit? If u want gays to marry, vote on it then but i dont see what that has to do with this debate.
@ikcjjtt This has everything to do with marriage of gays.People were indoctrinated into thinking what they do is sinful, and that they would be sinful to allow them to marry.Just because I dont agree with it???You might as well say that just because I dont agree with slavery, doesn't mean it is wrong.
@theshadowify thats exactly what im saying. But this isnt about right and wrong. This is about double standards. Why is the exact same action viewed different coming from a guy with a different beleif? I dont care if its wrong. just because its wrong doesnt change the standard. The standard is OBJECTIVE. morals, right, wrong IS SUBJECTIVE. OBJECTIVE stays the same, reguardless of your personal beliefs. SUBJECTIVE changes from person to person. Brainwashing is a SUBJECTIVE term.
@theshadowify because teaching politics to a kid is considered socialization. Teaching religion to a kid is considered brainwashing. Different standards for the same thing. The kid chooses none of it. And this is what this video is about. The guy is trying to articulate what im telling you, he is just doing a terrible job at it. Subjective has no "reference point" as he puts it. Objective does. the definition of socialization, indoctrination,brainwashing, ect. falls under the SAME standard.
@theshadowify "It may not be in the dictionary, but that is about what happens when you have a captive audience.A child has no choice but to sit there and learn whatever is being taught"
If its not a REAL, OBJECTIVE definition, it DOESNT exist. Standard is universal. U can accept it or deny it. But to deny objective evidence is the same as ignoring reason and logic. A child has very little to no choice on anything it learns. So everything it learns is done by the same process under that exact-
@theshadowify SAME process. Do u understand that logic? If its done under that definition, its the same thing. To call each and every instance a different name under the exact same process is inaccurate. It also can lead to things like bigotry, racism, intolerance, ignorance, and stupidity. Its like saying "Dinosaurs dont exist, those fossils were put there by Saton to tear us from the path of God." But when asked about fossils from other animals and humans...the answer changes.
@theshadowify ALL fossils were either put their by saton or ALL fossils came from living beings. Mutually exclusive-no overlaps. Same with these difinitions-teaching a kid ANY type of knowledge IS ALL brainwashing or it's ALL just learning (socialization, indoctrination, ect.) No overlaps. mutually exclsuive. Be that guy that believes saton put some fossils on Earth to fool Christians if u want, but dont start covering up faulty logic with admissions of right and wrong.
Indoctrination/"brainwashing" is not some negative attack. That's the profit motivated, biased media that says if u teach christianity, its saving souls. but if u teach Islam its brainwashing. Same with poilitcs and where ever u got your values from. Why not have the SAME standards?
@theshadowify i agree, all the SAME standards. "politics=socialization=indoctrination="brainwashing". Creating a culture= fitting into a current culture. (particularly in America where the cultures are diverse)."
@theshadowify the way u do. U just want to call "norms, customs, and ideologies" that u find negative "brainwashing." and call the beliefs u approve "socialization". Go look this stuff up. I did a speech and a 14 page paper on it. btw, some children who get indoctrinated into religion, dont beleive in it the rest of thier lives. They sometimes stop and go search for other paths.
@ikcjjtt I know that some children get indoctrinated into religion and dont believe in it the rest of their lives. I am one of those. I was indoctrinated with that religious nonsense, but I was able to overcome it and think for myself. Most are not that lucky.
@theshadowify then what are u so worried about? If religion is so harmful then the kids should think thier way out like u did right? and if they don't, well thats just Darwians survival of the fittest theory coming into play.
@ikcjjtt What am I so worried about???Are you kidding me?? Have you not seen all the abortion clinics bombed? Have you not see all the Docters murdered?? Have you not seen them deny gays their basic human right to marry??Have you not seen them try to replace science with religion in the classroom?Have you not seen them try to say that global warming can not happen because God is in control of our climate?Fundi Christians are a bunch idiots that must be stopped.
@theshadowify i couldn't care less about politics and terriorism. Im discussing the definition of indoctrination and examples of it. Im not into crusades of any kind, whether political or religious.
ok... Let's say you have a child that believes in santa clause; and you have decided that the child is now old enough for you to reveal the true source of their christmas gifts. Would it be frustrating to you if the child openly refused to accept the true source of their gifts in favor of maintaining their faith in santa? Would it be even more frustrating if the child continued to refuse reality despite any amount of evidence that you could provide them?
If god exists he did not give me the ability to believe in him. Im not frustrated about that im happy, my life is pretty amazing. Btw the bible is extremely inconsistent, please look it up.
Indoctrination...Let me teach you something about indoctrination, Jack. I would never teach my child that my opinions are truth. Understand? Teach your child things like math and science. If God comes into it, you say "this is my opinion, but nobody really knows for sure...what do you think?" <<<that's not indoctrination. Atheists get mad, because you're playing dirty by never giving the kid a chance to develop his OWN opinion. You're forcing your opinion on him as truth. That's indoctrination.
Indoctrination=You will be like me, cause I cannot accept that you can be like anyone else, since my faith is the ultimate reality, and there is no other.
Open minded raise of a child=Show him everything, all religions and their history, all kinds of peoples and cultures, philosophy, science, etc.
Then sit back and see where your educated child goes to, if the child chooses a path you don't agree on, then so be it, if your child goes for what you like, so be it.
@ateopuertorico open mindedness is a personality trait not something u can teach. Indoctrination is teaching, period. There is your difference. Besides what u r saying is impractical, thus stupid. What parents know " everything, all religions and their history, all kinds of peoples and cultures, philosophy, science, etc."
And what child has the time to study everything? Cant even get these lazy ass kids of today to make As in school and to stop texting when driving and in class.
@ikcjjtt Well, you completely missed the whole point. To educate a child means that you teach him the values of life, culture, history, science, philosophy. This includes letting the child look for the answers. To not try and educate a child would mean to create just another ignorant. And worst, to indoctrinate is to teach your own personal moral and religious values to your child, not allowing your child to develop critical thinking and therefore closing the mind to one point of view.
@ateopuertorico to educate is to teach. A child can't and WON't look for the answers until they are about 15-16...too late by then. Indoctrination is socialization.teaching "values of life, culture, history, science, philosophy" is indoctrination. Look it up. personal moral and other values, including political and riligious goes into that. Critical thinking skills come from practicing them, doesnt matter what your view is. Im a religious man, and a martial artists. I dont believe in all-
@ateopuertorico religious, and i sure as hell dont believe in all martial arts. I use what works for me, yet i developed critical thinking skills throughout highschool and college. I had to, to pass. I had to write papers argeuing two sides of a debate, with peer reviewed journals and a ton of sources. I had to say what i beleive and prove it with facts,statistics, and constant debate with good presentation that bordered on professionalism. Thats how u get and apply critical thinking.
@ateopuertorico it has nothing to do with your "point of view". Everyone has A point of view,not 5 or 6. U develop critical thinking skills by learning/studying about other views and debating them seeking to understand. U dont have to change your view or reach some type of enlightenment, some do, but its not required. U cna only have ONE point of view, not 2 or more. So by your own logic everyone is "closed minded". U obviously dont know what that means. It means not to even listen to other-
@ateopuertorico views. It doesnt mean u have to accept everything to be open minded.Just tolerate them. That's impossible and absurd. U dont even know everything to begin with and that would jus make you naive and gullable. U pick a view that suits you best then build from there or tear it down and find a new foundation like many people do. But your foundation is ALWAYS there.And its ALWAYS from a single view point. U cant beleive two contradictory thoughts at once. God does and doesnt exists.-
@ikcjjtt Where the fuck did I say that god exists and doesn't exist? I said that there is diversity, which means that lots of different people from different cultures have their own set of beliefs. To be intolerant is to pretend that they are wrong just cause they don't agree with YOUR point of view. To tolerate is to accept that YOUR point of view is not absolute and everyone should abide by them. Which takes me back to children, we have to let THEM choose what path in life to take.
@ateopuertorico what dictionary are you reading from? I have read in 5 that tolerant means to endure. It says NOTHING about being right or wrong. intolerant means to not endure or listen to. That has nothing to do with accepting other beleifs or dismantaling yours. Like i said before, u cant believe everything,especialy if its mutualy exclusive. Children do choose when they get older. They cant choose at a young age though, they have no interest.
@ikcjjtt My goodness, you are beyond dumb, I speak of tolerance not about liking what other people do and at the same time dismantling your fucking beliefs. What I mean in a short term is to not try and make others like you cause otherwise you can't accept them. Take homosexuality for example, a very common and natural thing, yet Christians want to turn them into heterosexuals, cause they have zero tolerance to accept that they are gay and always will be gay. Tolerance requires an open mind.
@ateopuertorico nobody dismantles thier beliefs. We all have them, they change from time to time, but we still have a fundamental set of believes. There is nothing wrong with trying to get people to play for your team, that does not mean that u CANT accept them as they are. Take martial arts for example. I try to get people in my self defence class to join my martial arts school, its not that i dont accept them-i train with both. i just feel that they would benefit more from a REAL dojo.
@ateopuertorico converting, educating, socialization, indoctrination, ect. is not done out of a need to accept the other guy. Its done for a higher purpose, generally survival. Whether u accept the guy or not depends on your opinion of him, which is correalated with EDUCATION, not tolerance. Many people have "open minds" but are just as intolerant as the guys they love to critizise for it. And they will tell you they are as well. Many of these youtube video guys will tell u exactly what they-
@ateopuertorico are intolerant of, including the guy in this video and GoGreen18. Yet both claim to have "open minds". Which is probably another FAKE term created by the media and misused by the public, cause it makes no sense. As a matter of fact im going to write a paper on it now.
@ikcjjtt To educate them makes sure they don't end up believing that the earth is 10,000 years old, or homosexuality is some kind of mental disorder or demon possession, or that there is such a thing as a true and exclusive religion. Some quotes basically sums it up. "Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it", "Knowledge is power".
@ateopuertorico once again-no. Education deals with instruction and learning-generally this is done in school with subjects like science, math, history, ect. I couldn't care less about the personal beliefs, preferences, or socialization of some dude. That doesn't make it education. Taking shortcuts and using lame quotes doesn't change the definition of education.
@ikcjjtt And let me be clear about my case, I don't believe in god, but I would not dare to impose my disbelief in my children, I would allow them to educate themselves properly on the subject from an objective point of view, outside the circle, and then let them choose whether they be from religions or non religions. The ONLY reason people believe in god is cause they are raised to do so, there is no such thing as a Muslim or a Christian or a Hindu from birth. Indoctrination pushes it.
@ateopuertorico Educate and indoctrinate your children as you see fit. Just know that exposing them to all religions in an objective way makes them end up choosing not to believe in any,as if they could even comprehend objectivity and religion at such an age. And by doing this you are indoctrinating them into your own beliefs, whether consciously or unconsciously. The last part depends on what culture you are coming from, but some people do become religious later in life.
@ikcjjtt To educate a child enough to understand there is diversity of faith and culture does not imply that the child by default will choose none. It is true that they are going to be less likely to end up in a faith group since they will see things from the outside, but it is not also imposing anything on the child. The big deal here is indoctrination, that no matter how you define it yourself, it is to push your beliefs into your child and not allow the child to develop critical thinking.
@ateopuertorico yea it does, but that doesnt happen anyway. Its a impractical suggestion that doesnt happen, in theory thats what will happen thoughm or the kid will make some shit up. Its like teaching a kid all the laguages of the world so he can have an "open mind''. A messed up mind is what he will have. U can not educate your child on shit u dont even know yourself. U can try but it will be based on your ignorance and biased. Truth is when u have a kid you will install it with YOUR values-
@ateopuertorico culture, language, rulesm wutever that YOU deem important. If you dont, the child will copy what u do ANYWAY. The biggest influence of a child is thier parents. They will emilate u, your voice, actions, attributes, ect. And every child and person views things with bias, some just hide it better. U r still "imposing" all those views and languages on the kid, it will ultimately confuse the kid.
@ateopuertorico "indoctrination- teaching someone to accept doctrines uncritically.the act of indoctrinating, or the condition of being indoctrinated; instruction in the rudiments and principles of any science or system of belief; information.To instruct in a body of doctrine or principles.2. To imbue with a partisan or ideological point of view.is the process of inculcating ideas, attitudes, cognitive strategies or a professional methodology."
@ateopuertorico that is what indoctrination means, its from serveral dictionaries. I dont make shit up and i certainly don't define things by my self. I research and look up,unlike 99% of you youtubers. Critical thinking is correalted with education! it has nothing to do with indoctrination. Hitchens, Dawkins, and those other guys DO NOT define indoctrination. They use "play on words",subjectivity, debates, ect. to attempt to prove "religion is evil and i am the light, follow me".
@ateopuertorico "The ability to think in a critical and decisive manner is one of the fundamental goals of education, and professional educators everywhere should encourage students to develop independent thought and considered opinion. No one should be a slave to dogmatic teaching or indoctrinated ideas."-instructorweb
Education or some form of it is in there twice. And so is students. Proper Education developes critical thinking. Indoctrination doesnt affect it.
@ateopuertorico U can still have political,religious/non-religious,societal, views and still be a critical thinker. Even if u got those views from dogmas, indoctrination, socialization, ect. We all go through that stuff, they may change, but they are still there. All critical thinkers have them, cause they know that have a purpose.
My point is critical thinking is developed through education. Indoctrination has nothing to do with it. In a sense it is the opposite of it.
@ateopuertorico where is the logic in that?! This isnt philosophy class.Use critical thinking, it can only be ONE or the OTHER. Not both, they are mutually exclusive.
@ikcjjtt In this world is not about teaching a child that everyone is different just cause we have different skin tones or different religions, is to point out that there is such a thing called diversity, and just cause someone doesn't believe in what you believe it doesn't make that person automatically evil. It is to teach the core of tolerance hence creating a civilized human being, not a closed minded religious fanatic who hates gays and thinks evolution is a myth.
@ateopuertorico I dont know what this world is about, my point is that indoctriation is teaching any kind of values, principles, morales, ect through various means. Its socialization basically. Its more that just teaching a religion, its language, how to act polite, all of that stuff. Educate means to instruct or provide knowledge, usually done in school-math, science, whatever. Indoctrination is not some brainwahshing techinque used to enslave kids to religion, this isnt the movies.
My reference point is what contributes to the happiness and well-being of mankind and the preservation of resources for future generations (including biodiversity). Yours is a book thousands of years out of context which most people do not even try to put in context and those that do try cannot possibly do so perfectly. How is yours any more absolute than mine? Look at the history of religion. Interpretations, translations, and even which books are divinely inspired has changed drastically.
@TheNikonSevast he's not arguing absolutes here, and honestly speaking both of your references points are lies and bullshit. Both of your reference point is simply passing on knowledge. There is no divine reason for it. U just do it. I dont ask my child what language he would like to learn to speak. I teach him English cause thats the main language i speak. If he wants to learn more, than more power to him (i did-Japanese). But he will learn English 1st living in my country. Cause its practicle.
@ikcjjtt as much as I disagree with this guy on the topic at hand, I have never seen this video before and could not tell you off hand what video this comment was suppose to be left on 5 months ago. That being said, neither using happiness or sustainability as a reference is in any way a lie or bullshit. I cannot even fathom what mental gymnastics you go through to determine that either of those is not a valid and reasonable metric to consider when judging morality
@TheNikonSevast morality doesnt exists. So right there any attempt to judge it is foolishness-something all religious and non-religious people have in common.
Love this! T4P hows atheists to be exactly what they are...inept, incompetent, unrealistic, and totally disconnected from common sense.
More than 400 years ago, French mathematician and Christian apologist hit the nail squarely on the head when he said "...while there may not be exhaustive evidence in support of the Christian faith, there is most certainly SUFFICIENT evidence to convince anyone not pre-disposed against belief".
@tigerlilly66 I find it ironic that "god" created humanity with the primary purpose for us to serve/glorify him, revel in his presence and become more like him, but there is still such a huge debate on the very basic topic of whether or not he exists as well as which supposed (yet mutually exclusive) traits he has and doesn't have. How embarrassing. He's all powerful and timeless? Why doesn't he show himself to each person in a way that's individualized to their needs for belief? Is he shy?
Since you ask your questions in a more or less civil manner, I will be happy to give you my opinions. Just like you, I too hold opinions on just about everything. Not to sound patronizing, but in truth, my OPINIONS (and yours) and $2 will buy us a nice latte at Starbucks. I'm still puzzled at people who rage at we Christians for always wanting to quote scripture to back up our positions, when to do anything else is to just engage in opinion-sharing. I hope this makes sense!
@ErikWithBrain = Why do you find it "ironic" that there is still a debate about whether God exists or not? Since the day that Satan, via the serpent, first introduced doubt into the mind of Eve, mankind has routinely tried to either deny any sort of God, or to make him merely just one of many...take your choice or take none at all. What are these supposed "mutually exclusive" traits that the ONLY true and living God possesses? None of this is "embarrassing" to Christians in the least.
@ErikWithBrain = To conclude my reply to you, God indeed DOES show himself in a manner perfectly suited to the needs of ALL humankind! Since we're all sinners by nature and by choice, (Romans 3:10, 23) the incarnation (putting on of flesh) of Jesus Christ was truly a "one size fits all" plan made available to ANY WHO BELIEVE. Everyone knows John 3:16...I challenge you to read verses 17 and 18 and get the complete picture about the condition of all men and why a Saviour was crucial to us all!
@CaptainVideo890 Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee.
I am not making this up it really is in the Bible. Oh yeah, shrimp and clams are abominations too. Christians have shit to live up to and they do not realize it. Ya'll can fucking keep it too.
... Not to a sky fairy who has already forgiven us our sins (this is moral nihilism)
Think about it Jack. Who are you responsible to? If you hurt someone, who should you apologise to? To them, or to your imaginary friend?
Your religion has dissolved your inherent morality. If you can't work out why it makes sense to treat each other with respect without a celestial dictator then I am glad you have your religion. Some of us grow ups don't need it
Morality is not an invention. Not by us, not by God.
It is the sort of thing that cannot be invented or dictated.
What morality is is a system of behaviours which are intended to avoid unwanted consequences. It is motivated by an inherent empathy we have to our fellow creatures and in the knowledge that by working together we can achieve greater happiness, truth, harmony, for ALL.
The existence of a God is irrelevant to a serious ethical discussion.
Its funny how you talk about atheists creating an imaginary place in their heads. Please explain to me what the hell christians are doing? Your entire philosophy is imaginary, but that's ok right? B/c its "god", and bullshit makes sense when "god" is involved. Believe what you want, at this point I really couldn't give 2 shits.
"biggotry" wow! in my opinion, this is a word that describes the one way veiw that what someone believes is wrong. well where are the biggots in this scenario?
a practising homosexual atheist who hates christians, or a homosexual christian who denies themself and accepts others even if they don't agree with their beliefs? i know what i think... just something to ponder.
oh and by the way, anyone who has any "belief" as to the exact way the universe came into being, is flat out wrong. Atheists and Theists alike are wrong.
I didn't realize TFP was a bigot. But because his imaginary friend tells him to be it's OK to him. And if you don't want to have to deal with people pointing out your bigotry, just pretend those people are frustrated. Those black slaves were just frustrated people because they didn't understand TFP's god's support of slavery.
TFP: "Wah, it's wrong to call me a bigot when I hide behind my imaginary friend! Wah!"
I don't get pissed off that people believe in a god.I find it slightly strange, even amusing but I don't get angry and I'm certainly not frustrated.All this changes of course when religious folk try and defend their world view with badly researched, nonsensical pseudo science and somehow believe that there is some kind of conspiracy amongst real scientists (those that actually seek the truth) to disprove the existence of a creator.Maybe its a fear of having their comfort blanket taken away?
Every day the world is becoming more and more beautifully filled with love and tolerance, and that is magnificent. It's AWESOME.
If you truly believe that love between two people of the same gender is sinful, then it's just really too bad. I am so hopeful that humankind will get over hatred and judgment like this and that we can make our world completely lovely. If you don't want to be a part of that beautiful change, then that's just too bad my friend.
Actually, it doesn't. You can call my beliefs stupid all day long and half as much on Sunday (you've got church after all) and it still wouldn't be intolerant. What would be intolerant if they said. "You're stupid/evil/whatever, you're not allowed a voice to speak, and your opinions should be silenced". While I disagree with Jack, I don't think he should be silenced, nor do most of the posters I've seen judging on their comments. Calling a spade a spade is not intolerance.
We atheists don't normally resort to name calling... We leave that to the "ENLIGHTENED" Christian.
cdickenson64 3 months ago
Inconsistent? Your good book can't even tell us how judas died. Imaginery playground?REALLY?
jasondcone 5 months ago
@MeganSandwich No, if you see hateful, rascist beliefs you should do everything in your power to change that person
TeamWork187 6 months ago
The thing about you christians is you act like atheist are the one's name calling, mocking, all that. Yet you do it just as much if not worse. I think it's plain rude and contradicting what you are trying to say. I find you frustrated.
BatliciousBatgirl 6 months ago
are we all sinners even til death?
Schtayven 7 months ago
There are over 30 000 Christian denominations in the US alone. Christians don't even get their own house in order by the broken method of theology, yet they apply it recklessly to judge, hurt and ostracise other people.
I don't think you are a mean person, Jack.
But your religion lets you act as one, while nullifying your conscience at the same time.
If that isn't reason to be frustrated, I don't know what is.
Weltenweber 7 months ago
WoW!
Krazy!
MRWhiteFolksCakes 8 months ago
Anyone who has dealt with children knows that ignorance can be frustrating, however, it's how maturely you handle the ignorance that determines what kind of person you are and how you should be seen. I don't think anyone should state anything as a fact if it can't be proven or unproven. And where is the logic in teaching these "facts" with no opposing views to those who are too young or too ignorant to know how to really research something and decide what to believe for themselves?
ViridianBile 8 months ago
How about we accept everyone's beliefs? You don't try to make anyone change their beliefs and I don't try to change yours.
MeganSandwich 8 months ago
Those sideburns are sinful.
safarigoo 8 months ago
Hmm.. I wonder if these comments are "pending approval..." Btw, which "God" are you referring to? There are so many... Do you mean the Jewish one that's trying to take over the entire planet even though it's only 2,000 years old (somehow a different god from the 6,000 year old one?) BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA what a funny god.
YourDarkAccomplice 9 months ago
we are born evil? haha so much lolz
MrMiniKG 11 months ago
Atheist do not tell you how to teach your children, but tell what you should NOT be teaching your children. Indocrination In my opinion is teaching chlldren non logical rules before a child has the ability of telling the difference logically. Setting up a blueprint in their mind on how to think.
theshadowify 1 year ago
@theshadowify wtf? EVERYBODY indoctrinates thier children. whether you are conscious of it or not. Their language, beliefs, political views, clothes they wear, what they see on TV, ect. Indoctrination is to instruct, to imbue, generally a point of view, opinion, principle. Its socialization. Everybody goes through it. Thats how u can understand my writing, how u believe the stuff u believe, ect. " Setting up a blueprint in their mind on how to think." Exactly. everybody does it. its why u think-
ikcjjtt 11 months ago
@ikcjjtt Indoctrination is distinguished from education by the fact that the indoctrinated person is expected not to question or critically examine the doctrine they have learned. So yes, parents do indoctrinate their children to keep them safe from harm and teach them to behave. But that is their own children. They know what is best for their children. Christians on the other hand want to indoctrinate everybody. Not just their own children. And what they teach is harmful to others.
theshadowify 11 months ago
@theshadowify no, its distinguished by socialization- getting kids prepared for life in thier culture. (no, u cant question it. U dont step in front of a moving car because it kills u. U dont beat up the cops because they will kill u)
Educate-to instruct. (usually in math, science, history, ect, or some form of trade.
U cant indoctrinate an adult. its too late, u can try to convert them, sell stuff to them, get them to join the team,bribe them, but that is inherently DIFFERENT from-
ikcjjtt 11 months ago
@ikcjjtt The definition I gave is the correct one. You can make up your own definition if you want, but you would be wrong. If you cant handle the truth, thats not my problem, its yours.
theshadowify 11 months ago
@theshadowify indoctrination. Businesses do that all the time. Turn on the TV right now. Advertisements is what u will see. Are some of them harmful, yes. (drugs and fast food is bad for you). But u have the right to say NO and move on. they are not brainwashing u or indoctrinating you. or forcing u. Same with religion. If u feel that it is harmful, no one is forcing u to believe. People teach thier values to thier kids because they believe it will suit them best as it had them. If u dont-
ikcjjtt 11 months ago
@ikcjjtt Make up your mind. First you say Business do it all the time, then you say they are not indoctrinating you.
The truth is, YES, they are indoctrinating and brainwashing you. They tell you all the good things about their product but leave out the bad. Yes, you have the right to say no, but you are lead to believe what they want you to believe. I dont think they should be aimed at children.
theshadowify 11 months ago
@theshadowify its called advertising. No such thing as brainwashing, and it's not indoctrinating in any dictionary in the USA. U cant protect children from everything they see on Tv.
ikcjjtt 11 months ago
@ikcjjtt Yes, it is called advertising. But they go beyond just advertising. They do go into brainwashing and indoctrination. You ever seen the disclaimers at the bottom of the screen. They have to put it there by law. But they print it so small that you cant read it. Have you ever heard that it is against the law to put subliminal messages in comercials. Well, it is against the law. It is a form of brain washing.
theshadowify 11 months ago
@theshadowify its called being smart. and advertising to your selected audience. Of course u dont want them to know smoking causes lung cancer, so u leave that out. It's just the people being ignorant. Not some washing of the brain as seen in movies.
ikcjjtt 11 months ago
@ikcjjtt Its called being smart???? WTF? Are you just a complete moron?What the hell you mean ofcourse you dont want them to know about lung cancer?What kind of fucking retard are you?That is disgustingly dishonest and immoral.
theshadowify 11 months ago
@theshadowify is called america free enterprize business. It may be dishonest and immoral, but for a billion bucks who wouldn't?
ikcjjtt 11 months ago
@ikcjjtt I wouldn't, thats who. Obviously you have already been indoctrinated into thinking money is more important than people. I find that kind of thinking repulsive. In fact, that is the exact type of thinking that got us into this economic mess.
theshadowify 11 months ago
@theshadowify thats probably true, but Americans are the ones who put monetary value on human lives...99.9% of busineeses are profit motivated. When someone dies in an accident, someone gets sued for $. Celebrities are worth $ as well. Repulsive as you may think, it IS the culture.
ikcjjtt 11 months ago
@ikcjjtt It is a sad truth about America, that there is monetary on human lives. It is true that celbrities and athletes are worth $. But that does not make it justifiable or a SMART advertising to leave out harmful information.
theshadowify 11 months ago
@ikcjjtt No such thing as brainwashing???Are you kidding me? There are documented studies about brainwashing. Not to mention real life examples. No, you cant protect your children from seeing everything. That doesnt mean you dont try to protect them from the things you find most harmful
Indoctrination:to teach (someone) to fully accept the ideas, opinions, and beliefs of a particular group and to not consider other ideas, opinions, and beliefs . That is straight out of the dictionary.
theshadowify 11 months ago
@theshadowify not in any of the 10 dictionaries i just researched, but it's close enough. I did papers on brainwashing as well, and a report. Indoctrination, socialization, education, wutever= brainwashing. That is nothing more than a popular term used by the media to characterize teachings that they dont agree with. When u teach a child about a religion, it's brainwashing. When u teach them to not beleive in any religion its learning. I have debated this with PHD phychologist, and they had-
ikcjjtt 11 months ago
@ikcjjtt I got the definition online from Meriam Webster. Brainwashing is more than just a term. Have you ever heard of Jones Town. These people were lead to believe that they were going to see God by drinking poisoness koolaid. When you teach a child about religion, it is indoctrination. Telling them to believe in something primitive man wrote thousands of years ago. Teaching a kid about science is based on facts, not superstition.
theshadowify 11 months ago
@theshadowify yea, its a silly term with no real meaning outside of socialization, indoctrination, teaching,advertisements, whatever. Its an example of indoctrination. " Telling them to believe in something primitive man wrote thousands of years ago." Your point? Education differs from indoctrination because its supposed to be based on critical thinking and questioning what is taught...in theory. Doesnt work that way in America though...but thats a discussion for another time.
ikcjjtt 11 months ago
@ikcjjtt Maybe its time it does work in America.
theshadowify 11 months ago
@theshadowify nothing to say because its a bullshit term used to cover up indoctrination, socialization, education, ect. When ever someone doesnt agree with what is being taught. Teach a kid science and its education, teach him how to kill and its brainwashing. Its double standards is what it is, which America is full of.
ikcjjtt 11 months ago
@ikcjjtt Your statement is just ignorant. If you teach a child about science, then you are teaching him facts about the scietific world. Teaching him about the bible is just teaching him myths.
theshadowify 11 months ago
@theshadowify ignorance based on research and debate. I think u are missing the point of my discussion. My point is teaching religion is the same as teaching morals,politics,values,socialization ect. Science/education is something completly different. My point is indoctrination/socialization/"brainwashing" is what we all go through, same with education. It doesnt matter if what u r learning is false, as long as u learn it and apply it, the system survives.
ikcjjtt 11 months ago
@ikcjjtt With teaching politics,socialization, you are educating them to fit into society as the culture is. With indoctrination and brainwashing, you are creating a culture.
theshadowify 11 months ago
@theshadowify politics=socialization=indoctrination="brainwashing". Creating a culture= fitting into a current culture. (particularly in America where the cultures are diverse). All the same stuff.
ikcjjtt 11 months ago
@ikcjjtt You can claim that indoctrination is the same as socialization, but brainwashing is out there on its own.
theshadowify 11 months ago
@theshadowify u have yet to show a single definition of brainwashing. And when i researched it, it was a synonim for indoctrination and socialization.It meant the same thing. Think about it logically. What is the difference between propaganda, advertisements, teaching a religion, ect. if the guy decides to buy that burger, hate that country, learn that religion, is it not the same thing? Why call one socialization, indoctrination, and brainwashing? I made speeches about this, its a silly concept
ikcjjtt 11 months ago
@ikcjjtt Here is a good example of brainwashing.
youtube.com/watch?v=LACyLTsH4ac
theshadowify 11 months ago
@theshadowify great example of brainwashing, socialization, indoctrination, conditioning, ect. They did the same thing at my church,elementry,middle, highschool, college, job, and martial arts dojo. One guy even quit the job because he said "This is just brainwashing!". We were in training so of course we had to learn how to use the equipment. Or cut off our hands trying to figure it out. U act as if this is a bad thing. If u dont listen to your training u can get hurt, expecially in jujutsu.
ikcjjtt 11 months ago
@ikcjjtt I am sorry, but I see this goes farther than socialization. Even farther than indoctrination.This is just all out brainwashing. If they are doing the same thing in your church, and job etc, then they are going to far.They have never done anything like this is at any school that I attended, or job. Nor did they go to such extremes in my karate class. We had to learn some Japanese names of stances, and count to 10 in Japanese. I guess that is how I see it. As different depths.
theshadowify 11 months ago
@theshadowify of course there are different depths, but that doesnt change what it's called. Just as it being bad or good doesnt change the name. It is what it is. strong or weak indoctrination is still indoctrination.
ikcjjtt 11 months ago
@ikcjjtt If you have 2 hills, one to your left, and one to your right. The one on your left is 50ft high. The one on your right is 5000ft high. The one on your left is no longer called a hill. It is a mountain. Somewhere along the line, a hill becomes a mountain. From the moment that we are born, we are educated, and indoctrinated. This becomes a blueprint on our brain and is who we are. Brainwashing breaks down this blueprint and rebuilds it to a point that you think differently.
theshadowify 11 months ago
@theshadowify um no, it becomes a really big hill. " Brainwashing breaks down this blueprint and rebuilds it to a point that you think differently."
this happens in life anyway. U wont think the same way u do now, 40 yrs from now. Its called growing up. live and learn.
ikcjjtt 11 months ago
@ikcjjtt um no. It becomes a mountain. It is not Hill Everest. It is not The Rocky Hills. It is not The Smokey Hills. It is MOUNT Everest. The Rocky MOUNTAINS. The Smokey MOUNTAINS. In 40yrs you may not think exactly the same, but the basic blueprint is still there. As years go by, you mostly just add to the blueprint you already have. Unless you make a major effort to change your blueprint. I know, it was not easy for me to break down my blueprint of religion that I had.
theshadowify 11 months ago
@theshadowify it doesnt really matter, my point is that brainwashing is not some super form of indoctrination. and socialization is not some weaker form of it. Of course there are different intensities, but they all go by the same name. Brainwashing/indoctrination is brainwashing/indoctrination, whether at level 1 or 10. The intensity doesnt change the word or its meaning. Besides, high level intensity is good for interrigation and torcher.
ikcjjtt 11 months ago
@ikcjjtt Brainwashing is Indoctrination that forces people to abandon their beliefs in favor of another set of beliefs. Usually associated with military and political interrogation and religious conversion, brainwashing attempts, through prolonged stress, to break down an individual's physical and mental defenses. Brainwashing techniques range from vocal persuasion and threats to punishment, physical deprivation, mind-altering drugs, and severe physical torture.
The American Heritage®
theshadowify 11 months ago
@theshadowify proves all my points. "Brainwashing is Indoctrination". self explanatory."that forces people to abandon their beliefs in favor of another set of beliefs." so is indoctrination. "Usually associated with military and political interrogation and religious conversion," But when associated with something else, it goes by a different name (socialization). "brainwashing attempts, through prolonged stress, to break down an individual's physical and mental defenses"-
ikcjjtt 11 months ago
@theshadowify not quite sure what they mean, sounds more like phychological torture. "Brainwashing techniques range from vocal persuasion and threats to punishment, physical deprivation, mind-altering drugs, and severe physical torture."
Indoctrination at its finest-politics love the vocal stuff, punishment is for socialization and religion, deprivation is for martial arts training, military to, drugs is for the medical field, torture is reserved for the government.
ikcjjtt 11 months ago
@theshadowify that defintion solidify's every point i made. The 1st 3 words says it all. "vocal persuasion" ohhh, you cant even have socialization without that, let alone indoctrination. And i can give you more examples of those other techniques being used all over the usa that even you would consider as indoctrination. and remember when i said levels dont change the word or its meaning? "Brainwashing techniques range from..." All levels r there, and its all the same thing.
ikcjjtt 11 months ago
@ikcjjtt I did try to come up with some common ground that we might agree on. While going to school, you are taught that gays are bad, evil, and sinful. Then that is indoctrination. But if you instead you were taught that gays are good, not evil, and not sinful. Then that is also indoctrination. But if you just teach that there are gay people and some of them raise families, then that is just edcation, not indoctrination.
theshadowify 11 months ago
@theshadowify though did they ever talk about Jesus in the Jesus camp? I think they are indoctrinating the wrong thing into the kids. It will just make them confused and turn away from religion. They need to be teaching practicality, not jibberish.
ikcjjtt 11 months ago
@ikcjjtt From what I understand is that they made this documentary about Jesus Camp. When it got televised, so many people got upset and complained about it, that they closed it down. So yes I do think it was a bad thing.
theshadowify 11 months ago
@theshadowify that does nothing more than to strengthen racism, glorify double standards, cause ecocentricism, and mislead the public. Nothing good comes from that word or the concept. If a white guy drinks its called socializing, if a black guy drinks its called being a drunk. Thats all brainwashing does, sets a double standard. Teach politics to kids, its socialization, teach language to kids, its indoctrination. Teach religion to kids its brainwashing. kids didnt get to pick ANY of them.
ikcjjtt 11 months ago
@ikcjjtt They may be interlinked, but they are not the same thing.
theshadowify 11 months ago
@theshadowify whoopy do.There is no indoctriantion done past a certain age, without affective forms of torcher at leasts.
ikcjjtt 11 months ago
@ikcjjtt You can indoctrinate at any age. It is just that children are more susceptible.
theshadowify 11 months ago
@theshadowify but it doesnt happen often in American society. Advertisements are not indoctrination. They are just advertisements.
ikcjjtt 11 months ago
@ikcjjtt No, they are a form of brainwashing. They are NOT just advertisements.
theshadowify 11 months ago
@theshadowify education,brainwashing, socialization, indoctrination, learning, ect. Same thing.
ikcjjtt 11 months ago
@ikcjjtt Indoctrination and brainwashing is an attack on someones subconscious. Hypnotist use it all the time. If you have enough repetition in what is being said, then you can alter one's thoughts.
theshadowify 11 months ago
@theshadowify wtf? based on what research? Even the 10 dictionaries said nothing of attack or subconscious.Neither did my research. Hypnosist dont force shit on people, people let them go into their minds. Just because u dont approve of whats being taught, doesnt mean its some mystical attack on helpless children with no choice. Its socialization on kids with no concepts to begin with. Its not an attack, its learning about the culture and its important.
ikcjjtt 11 months ago
@ikcjjtt It may not be in the dictionary, but that is about what happens when you have a captive audience.A child has no choice but to sit there and learn whatever is being taught. Socialization on kids, is just that, but indoctrination is creating a culture, and goes beyond socialization. If there was no indoctrination, then people would allow gays to marry.
theshadowify 11 months ago
@theshadowify this has nothing to do with marriage and gays. just because someone creates a culture that u dont agree with, doesnt it make it evil.Besides, christianity is part of the American culture. Socialization is closely tied to indoctrination. Thats like saying campaigns are too political. Or water is too wet. no shit? If u want gays to marry, vote on it then but i dont see what that has to do with this debate.
ikcjjtt 11 months ago
@ikcjjtt This has everything to do with marriage of gays.People were indoctrinated into thinking what they do is sinful, and that they would be sinful to allow them to marry.Just because I dont agree with it???You might as well say that just because I dont agree with slavery, doesn't mean it is wrong.
theshadowify 11 months ago
@theshadowify thats exactly what im saying. But this isnt about right and wrong. This is about double standards. Why is the exact same action viewed different coming from a guy with a different beleif? I dont care if its wrong. just because its wrong doesnt change the standard. The standard is OBJECTIVE. morals, right, wrong IS SUBJECTIVE. OBJECTIVE stays the same, reguardless of your personal beliefs. SUBJECTIVE changes from person to person. Brainwashing is a SUBJECTIVE term.
ikcjjtt 11 months ago
@theshadowify because teaching politics to a kid is considered socialization. Teaching religion to a kid is considered brainwashing. Different standards for the same thing. The kid chooses none of it. And this is what this video is about. The guy is trying to articulate what im telling you, he is just doing a terrible job at it. Subjective has no "reference point" as he puts it. Objective does. the definition of socialization, indoctrination,brainwashing, ect. falls under the SAME standard.
ikcjjtt 11 months ago
@theshadowify "It may not be in the dictionary, but that is about what happens when you have a captive audience.A child has no choice but to sit there and learn whatever is being taught"
If its not a REAL, OBJECTIVE definition, it DOESNT exist. Standard is universal. U can accept it or deny it. But to deny objective evidence is the same as ignoring reason and logic. A child has very little to no choice on anything it learns. So everything it learns is done by the same process under that exact-
ikcjjtt 11 months ago
@theshadowify SAME process. Do u understand that logic? If its done under that definition, its the same thing. To call each and every instance a different name under the exact same process is inaccurate. It also can lead to things like bigotry, racism, intolerance, ignorance, and stupidity. Its like saying "Dinosaurs dont exist, those fossils were put there by Saton to tear us from the path of God." But when asked about fossils from other animals and humans...the answer changes.
ikcjjtt 11 months ago
@theshadowify ALL fossils were either put their by saton or ALL fossils came from living beings. Mutually exclusive-no overlaps. Same with these difinitions-teaching a kid ANY type of knowledge IS ALL brainwashing or it's ALL just learning (socialization, indoctrination, ect.) No overlaps. mutually exclsuive. Be that guy that believes saton put some fossils on Earth to fool Christians if u want, but dont start covering up faulty logic with admissions of right and wrong.
ikcjjtt 11 months ago
Indoctrination/"brainwashing" is not some negative attack. That's the profit motivated, biased media that says if u teach christianity, its saving souls. but if u teach Islam its brainwashing. Same with poilitcs and where ever u got your values from. Why not have the SAME standards?
ikcjjtt 11 months ago
@ikcjjtt I think they should have the same standards. Weather it is teaching Christianity, or teaching Islam, they are both brainwashing.
theshadowify 11 months ago
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@theshadowify i agree, all the SAME standards. "politics=socialization=indoctrination="brainwashing". Creating a culture= fitting into a current culture. (particularly in America where the cultures are diverse)."
ikcjjtt 11 months ago
@theshadowify the way u do. U just want to call "norms, customs, and ideologies" that u find negative "brainwashing." and call the beliefs u approve "socialization". Go look this stuff up. I did a speech and a 14 page paper on it. btw, some children who get indoctrinated into religion, dont beleive in it the rest of thier lives. They sometimes stop and go search for other paths.
ikcjjtt 11 months ago
@ikcjjtt I know that some children get indoctrinated into religion and dont believe in it the rest of their lives. I am one of those. I was indoctrinated with that religious nonsense, but I was able to overcome it and think for myself. Most are not that lucky.
theshadowify 11 months ago
@theshadowify then what are u so worried about? If religion is so harmful then the kids should think thier way out like u did right? and if they don't, well thats just Darwians survival of the fittest theory coming into play.
ikcjjtt 11 months ago
@ikcjjtt What am I so worried about???Are you kidding me?? Have you not seen all the abortion clinics bombed? Have you not see all the Docters murdered?? Have you not seen them deny gays their basic human right to marry??Have you not seen them try to replace science with religion in the classroom?Have you not seen them try to say that global warming can not happen because God is in control of our climate?Fundi Christians are a bunch idiots that must be stopped.
theshadowify 11 months ago
@theshadowify i couldn't care less about politics and terriorism. Im discussing the definition of indoctrination and examples of it. Im not into crusades of any kind, whether political or religious.
ikcjjtt 11 months ago
@ikcjjtt Then why and the hell did you bring it up?
theshadowify 11 months ago
btw you look pretty frustrated yourself
MikeDM1987 1 year ago
ok... Let's say you have a child that believes in santa clause; and you have decided that the child is now old enough for you to reveal the true source of their christmas gifts. Would it be frustrating to you if the child openly refused to accept the true source of their gifts in favor of maintaining their faith in santa? Would it be even more frustrating if the child continued to refuse reality despite any amount of evidence that you could provide them?
MikeDM1987 1 year ago
If god exists he did not give me the ability to believe in him. Im not frustrated about that im happy, my life is pretty amazing. Btw the bible is extremely inconsistent, please look it up.
xbetamaster 1 year ago
Indoctrination...Let me teach you something about indoctrination, Jack. I would never teach my child that my opinions are truth. Understand? Teach your child things like math and science. If God comes into it, you say "this is my opinion, but nobody really knows for sure...what do you think?" <<<that's not indoctrination. Atheists get mad, because you're playing dirty by never giving the kid a chance to develop his OWN opinion. You're forcing your opinion on him as truth. That's indoctrination.
DarkMatter2525 1 year ago
You're one messed up dude. "Imaginary playground", what? There is a very good reason Chrisitianity isn't allowed in schools.
charlesfloyb 1 year ago
Teach a child one religion and you indoctrinate them. Teach them many religions and you inoculate them.
bdwilson1000 1 year ago
Indoctrination=You will be like me, cause I cannot accept that you can be like anyone else, since my faith is the ultimate reality, and there is no other.
Open minded raise of a child=Show him everything, all religions and their history, all kinds of peoples and cultures, philosophy, science, etc.
Then sit back and see where your educated child goes to, if the child chooses a path you don't agree on, then so be it, if your child goes for what you like, so be it.
See the difference?
ateopuertorico 1 year ago
@ateopuertorico open mindedness is a personality trait not something u can teach. Indoctrination is teaching, period. There is your difference. Besides what u r saying is impractical, thus stupid. What parents know " everything, all religions and their history, all kinds of peoples and cultures, philosophy, science, etc."
And what child has the time to study everything? Cant even get these lazy ass kids of today to make As in school and to stop texting when driving and in class.
ikcjjtt 11 months ago
@ikcjjtt Well, you completely missed the whole point. To educate a child means that you teach him the values of life, culture, history, science, philosophy. This includes letting the child look for the answers. To not try and educate a child would mean to create just another ignorant. And worst, to indoctrinate is to teach your own personal moral and religious values to your child, not allowing your child to develop critical thinking and therefore closing the mind to one point of view.
ateopuertorico 11 months ago
@ateopuertorico to educate is to teach. A child can't and WON't look for the answers until they are about 15-16...too late by then. Indoctrination is socialization.teaching "values of life, culture, history, science, philosophy" is indoctrination. Look it up. personal moral and other values, including political and riligious goes into that. Critical thinking skills come from practicing them, doesnt matter what your view is. Im a religious man, and a martial artists. I dont believe in all-
ikcjjtt 11 months ago
@ateopuertorico religious, and i sure as hell dont believe in all martial arts. I use what works for me, yet i developed critical thinking skills throughout highschool and college. I had to, to pass. I had to write papers argeuing two sides of a debate, with peer reviewed journals and a ton of sources. I had to say what i beleive and prove it with facts,statistics, and constant debate with good presentation that bordered on professionalism. Thats how u get and apply critical thinking.
ikcjjtt 11 months ago
@ateopuertorico it has nothing to do with your "point of view". Everyone has A point of view,not 5 or 6. U develop critical thinking skills by learning/studying about other views and debating them seeking to understand. U dont have to change your view or reach some type of enlightenment, some do, but its not required. U cna only have ONE point of view, not 2 or more. So by your own logic everyone is "closed minded". U obviously dont know what that means. It means not to even listen to other-
ikcjjtt 11 months ago
@ateopuertorico views. It doesnt mean u have to accept everything to be open minded.Just tolerate them. That's impossible and absurd. U dont even know everything to begin with and that would jus make you naive and gullable. U pick a view that suits you best then build from there or tear it down and find a new foundation like many people do. But your foundation is ALWAYS there.And its ALWAYS from a single view point. U cant beleive two contradictory thoughts at once. God does and doesnt exists.-
ikcjjtt 11 months ago
@ikcjjtt Where the fuck did I say that god exists and doesn't exist? I said that there is diversity, which means that lots of different people from different cultures have their own set of beliefs. To be intolerant is to pretend that they are wrong just cause they don't agree with YOUR point of view. To tolerate is to accept that YOUR point of view is not absolute and everyone should abide by them. Which takes me back to children, we have to let THEM choose what path in life to take.
ateopuertorico 11 months ago
@ateopuertorico what dictionary are you reading from? I have read in 5 that tolerant means to endure. It says NOTHING about being right or wrong. intolerant means to not endure or listen to. That has nothing to do with accepting other beleifs or dismantaling yours. Like i said before, u cant believe everything,especialy if its mutualy exclusive. Children do choose when they get older. They cant choose at a young age though, they have no interest.
ikcjjtt 11 months ago
@ikcjjtt My goodness, you are beyond dumb, I speak of tolerance not about liking what other people do and at the same time dismantling your fucking beliefs. What I mean in a short term is to not try and make others like you cause otherwise you can't accept them. Take homosexuality for example, a very common and natural thing, yet Christians want to turn them into heterosexuals, cause they have zero tolerance to accept that they are gay and always will be gay. Tolerance requires an open mind.
ateopuertorico 11 months ago
@ateopuertorico nobody dismantles thier beliefs. We all have them, they change from time to time, but we still have a fundamental set of believes. There is nothing wrong with trying to get people to play for your team, that does not mean that u CANT accept them as they are. Take martial arts for example. I try to get people in my self defence class to join my martial arts school, its not that i dont accept them-i train with both. i just feel that they would benefit more from a REAL dojo.
ikcjjtt 11 months ago
@ateopuertorico converting, educating, socialization, indoctrination, ect. is not done out of a need to accept the other guy. Its done for a higher purpose, generally survival. Whether u accept the guy or not depends on your opinion of him, which is correalated with EDUCATION, not tolerance. Many people have "open minds" but are just as intolerant as the guys they love to critizise for it. And they will tell you they are as well. Many of these youtube video guys will tell u exactly what they-
ikcjjtt 11 months ago
@ateopuertorico are intolerant of, including the guy in this video and GoGreen18. Yet both claim to have "open minds". Which is probably another FAKE term created by the media and misused by the public, cause it makes no sense. As a matter of fact im going to write a paper on it now.
ikcjjtt 11 months ago
@ikcjjtt To educate them makes sure they don't end up believing that the earth is 10,000 years old, or homosexuality is some kind of mental disorder or demon possession, or that there is such a thing as a true and exclusive religion. Some quotes basically sums it up. "Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it", "Knowledge is power".
ateopuertorico 11 months ago
@ateopuertorico once again-no. Education deals with instruction and learning-generally this is done in school with subjects like science, math, history, ect. I couldn't care less about the personal beliefs, preferences, or socialization of some dude. That doesn't make it education. Taking shortcuts and using lame quotes doesn't change the definition of education.
ikcjjtt 11 months ago
@ikcjjtt And let me be clear about my case, I don't believe in god, but I would not dare to impose my disbelief in my children, I would allow them to educate themselves properly on the subject from an objective point of view, outside the circle, and then let them choose whether they be from religions or non religions. The ONLY reason people believe in god is cause they are raised to do so, there is no such thing as a Muslim or a Christian or a Hindu from birth. Indoctrination pushes it.
ateopuertorico 11 months ago
@ateopuertorico Educate and indoctrinate your children as you see fit. Just know that exposing them to all religions in an objective way makes them end up choosing not to believe in any,as if they could even comprehend objectivity and religion at such an age. And by doing this you are indoctrinating them into your own beliefs, whether consciously or unconsciously. The last part depends on what culture you are coming from, but some people do become religious later in life.
ikcjjtt 11 months ago
@ikcjjtt To educate a child enough to understand there is diversity of faith and culture does not imply that the child by default will choose none. It is true that they are going to be less likely to end up in a faith group since they will see things from the outside, but it is not also imposing anything on the child. The big deal here is indoctrination, that no matter how you define it yourself, it is to push your beliefs into your child and not allow the child to develop critical thinking.
ateopuertorico 11 months ago
@ateopuertorico yea it does, but that doesnt happen anyway. Its a impractical suggestion that doesnt happen, in theory thats what will happen thoughm or the kid will make some shit up. Its like teaching a kid all the laguages of the world so he can have an "open mind''. A messed up mind is what he will have. U can not educate your child on shit u dont even know yourself. U can try but it will be based on your ignorance and biased. Truth is when u have a kid you will install it with YOUR values-
ikcjjtt 11 months ago
@ateopuertorico culture, language, rulesm wutever that YOU deem important. If you dont, the child will copy what u do ANYWAY. The biggest influence of a child is thier parents. They will emilate u, your voice, actions, attributes, ect. And every child and person views things with bias, some just hide it better. U r still "imposing" all those views and languages on the kid, it will ultimately confuse the kid.
ikcjjtt 11 months ago
@ateopuertorico "indoctrination- teaching someone to accept doctrines uncritically.the act of indoctrinating, or the condition of being indoctrinated; instruction in the rudiments and principles of any science or system of belief; information.To instruct in a body of doctrine or principles.2. To imbue with a partisan or ideological point of view.is the process of inculcating ideas, attitudes, cognitive strategies or a professional methodology."
ikcjjtt 11 months ago
@ateopuertorico that is what indoctrination means, its from serveral dictionaries. I dont make shit up and i certainly don't define things by my self. I research and look up,unlike 99% of you youtubers. Critical thinking is correalted with education! it has nothing to do with indoctrination. Hitchens, Dawkins, and those other guys DO NOT define indoctrination. They use "play on words",subjectivity, debates, ect. to attempt to prove "religion is evil and i am the light, follow me".
ikcjjtt 11 months ago
@ateopuertorico "The ability to think in a critical and decisive manner is one of the fundamental goals of education, and professional educators everywhere should encourage students to develop independent thought and considered opinion. No one should be a slave to dogmatic teaching or indoctrinated ideas."-instructorweb
Education or some form of it is in there twice. And so is students. Proper Education developes critical thinking. Indoctrination doesnt affect it.
ikcjjtt 11 months ago
@ateopuertorico U can still have political,religious/non-religious,societal, views and still be a critical thinker. Even if u got those views from dogmas, indoctrination, socialization, ect. We all go through that stuff, they may change, but they are still there. All critical thinkers have them, cause they know that have a purpose.
My point is critical thinking is developed through education. Indoctrination has nothing to do with it. In a sense it is the opposite of it.
ikcjjtt 11 months ago
@ateopuertorico And the reasons for doing it can vary. Not everyone who is a christian was raised to be one. Same with athism, ect.
ikcjjtt 11 months ago
@ateopuertorico where is the logic in that?! This isnt philosophy class.Use critical thinking, it can only be ONE or the OTHER. Not both, they are mutually exclusive.
ikcjjtt 11 months ago
@ikcjjtt In this world is not about teaching a child that everyone is different just cause we have different skin tones or different religions, is to point out that there is such a thing called diversity, and just cause someone doesn't believe in what you believe it doesn't make that person automatically evil. It is to teach the core of tolerance hence creating a civilized human being, not a closed minded religious fanatic who hates gays and thinks evolution is a myth.
ateopuertorico 11 months ago
@ateopuertorico I dont know what this world is about, my point is that indoctriation is teaching any kind of values, principles, morales, ect through various means. Its socialization basically. Its more that just teaching a religion, its language, how to act polite, all of that stuff. Educate means to instruct or provide knowledge, usually done in school-math, science, whatever. Indoctrination is not some brainwahshing techinque used to enslave kids to religion, this isnt the movies.
ikcjjtt 11 months ago
brainwashed
likeroby 1 year ago
My reference point is what contributes to the happiness and well-being of mankind and the preservation of resources for future generations (including biodiversity). Yours is a book thousands of years out of context which most people do not even try to put in context and those that do try cannot possibly do so perfectly. How is yours any more absolute than mine? Look at the history of religion. Interpretations, translations, and even which books are divinely inspired has changed drastically.
TheNikonSevast 1 year ago
@TheNikonSevast he's not arguing absolutes here, and honestly speaking both of your references points are lies and bullshit. Both of your reference point is simply passing on knowledge. There is no divine reason for it. U just do it. I dont ask my child what language he would like to learn to speak. I teach him English cause thats the main language i speak. If he wants to learn more, than more power to him (i did-Japanese). But he will learn English 1st living in my country. Cause its practicle.
ikcjjtt 11 months ago
@ikcjjtt as much as I disagree with this guy on the topic at hand, I have never seen this video before and could not tell you off hand what video this comment was suppose to be left on 5 months ago. That being said, neither using happiness or sustainability as a reference is in any way a lie or bullshit. I cannot even fathom what mental gymnastics you go through to determine that either of those is not a valid and reasonable metric to consider when judging morality
TheNikonSevast 11 months ago
@TheNikonSevast morality doesnt exists. So right there any attempt to judge it is foolishness-something all religious and non-religious people have in common.
ikcjjtt 11 months ago
Just like evolution,it's called trial and error. You should try it sometime. you'll find it quite enlightening.
panterguy 1 year ago
So, homosexuality is wrong because god says it is wrong, and you know this because it's in the bible.
MORON.
imaginenoreligion 1 year ago
Love this! T4P hows atheists to be exactly what they are...inept, incompetent, unrealistic, and totally disconnected from common sense.
More than 400 years ago, French mathematician and Christian apologist hit the nail squarely on the head when he said "...while there may not be exhaustive evidence in support of the Christian faith, there is most certainly SUFFICIENT evidence to convince anyone not pre-disposed against belief".
Atheism = pre-disposition against belief.
tigerlilly66 1 year ago
Oops! Forgot to list the name of the French dude...Blaise Pascal !
Great writer and thinker!
tigerlilly66 1 year ago
@tigerlilly66 I find it ironic that "god" created humanity with the primary purpose for us to serve/glorify him, revel in his presence and become more like him, but there is still such a huge debate on the very basic topic of whether or not he exists as well as which supposed (yet mutually exclusive) traits he has and doesn't have. How embarrassing. He's all powerful and timeless? Why doesn't he show himself to each person in a way that's individualized to their needs for belief? Is he shy?
ErikWithBrain 1 year ago
@ErikWithBrain =
Since you ask your questions in a more or less civil manner, I will be happy to give you my opinions. Just like you, I too hold opinions on just about everything. Not to sound patronizing, but in truth, my OPINIONS (and yours) and $2 will buy us a nice latte at Starbucks. I'm still puzzled at people who rage at we Christians for always wanting to quote scripture to back up our positions, when to do anything else is to just engage in opinion-sharing. I hope this makes sense!
tigerlilly66 1 year ago
@ErikWithBrain = Why do you find it "ironic" that there is still a debate about whether God exists or not? Since the day that Satan, via the serpent, first introduced doubt into the mind of Eve, mankind has routinely tried to either deny any sort of God, or to make him merely just one of many...take your choice or take none at all. What are these supposed "mutually exclusive" traits that the ONLY true and living God possesses? None of this is "embarrassing" to Christians in the least.
tigerlilly66 1 year ago
@ErikWithBrain = To conclude my reply to you, God indeed DOES show himself in a manner perfectly suited to the needs of ALL humankind! Since we're all sinners by nature and by choice, (Romans 3:10, 23) the incarnation (putting on of flesh) of Jesus Christ was truly a "one size fits all" plan made available to ANY WHO BELIEVE. Everyone knows John 3:16...I challenge you to read verses 17 and 18 and get the complete picture about the condition of all men and why a Saviour was crucial to us all!
tigerlilly66 1 year ago
excellent video TFP !
you portrayed all the points very well.
hexusziggurat 1 year ago
If you are saying homosexuality is wrong, and that statement is based off of the OT.
Then, can I finally own slaves again, as long as they are from other countries?
Can I kill farmers for planting two crops next to each other?
Do I have to burn my mother for wearing clothes with two different fibers?
That is OT law. Is this what you advocate?
popebiscuit666 1 year ago
@popebiscuit666 I thought it was two crops in the same field.
CaptainVideo890 1 year ago
@CaptainVideo890 who cares its stupid
popebiscuit666 1 year ago
@popebiscuit666 Well yeah but do't go accusing people of stuff they don't believe.
CaptainVideo890 1 year ago
@CaptainVideo890 nope no cherry picking. take it all or make a Jeffersonian Bible
popebiscuit666 1 year ago
@popebiscuit666 Haha what? You're just making up stuff, that's way worse than cherry picking.
CaptainVideo890 1 year ago
@CaptainVideo890 Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee.
Leviticus 19:19
I am not making this up it really is in the Bible. Oh yeah, shrimp and clams are abominations too. Christians have shit to live up to and they do not realize it. Ya'll can fucking keep it too.
popebiscuit666 1 year ago
@popebiscuit666 Ah, so it is two crops in the same field.
CaptainVideo890 1 year ago
@CaptainVideo890 Doesnt matter you still get stoned for it.
Oh yeah and shrimp and lobsters are evil too. Poor shrimp, they're too damn tasty to be evil.
popebiscuit666 1 year ago
@popebiscuit666 I'm pretty sure the Bible says lol jk you can eat shrimp at another point.
CaptainVideo890 1 year ago
Our moral responsibilities are to each other..
... Not to a sky fairy who has already forgiven us our sins (this is moral nihilism)
Think about it Jack. Who are you responsible to? If you hurt someone, who should you apologise to? To them, or to your imaginary friend?
Your religion has dissolved your inherent morality. If you can't work out why it makes sense to treat each other with respect without a celestial dictator then I am glad you have your religion. Some of us grow ups don't need it
jamesstephenbrown 1 year ago
Together for Peace.
Morality is not an invention. Not by us, not by God.
It is the sort of thing that cannot be invented or dictated.
What morality is is a system of behaviours which are intended to avoid unwanted consequences. It is motivated by an inherent empathy we have to our fellow creatures and in the knowledge that by working together we can achieve greater happiness, truth, harmony, for ALL.
The existence of a God is irrelevant to a serious ethical discussion.
You're being obtuse.
jamesstephenbrown 1 year ago
laughable
kennethh70 1 year ago
Get real.
20cigarrosconfiltro 1 year ago
Don't you think that it's a little pointless to discuss sinfulness with those who don't believe in sin?
Tavereen 1 year ago
Its funny how you talk about atheists creating an imaginary place in their heads. Please explain to me what the hell christians are doing? Your entire philosophy is imaginary, but that's ok right? B/c its "god", and bullshit makes sense when "god" is involved. Believe what you want, at this point I really couldn't give 2 shits.
Nerefar 1 year ago
Oh Jack! How's your relationship with the vengeful one??
bigboy45454545 1 year ago
frustrated...got that right...
toolegit2quittttt 1 year ago
When you tell children that they wll burn and suffer the worst torture imaginable unless they believe in what you believe.....thats just plain wrong.
Bettinajanet 1 year ago
"biggotry" wow! in my opinion, this is a word that describes the one way veiw that what someone believes is wrong. well where are the biggots in this scenario?
a practising homosexual atheist who hates christians, or a homosexual christian who denies themself and accepts others even if they don't agree with their beliefs? i know what i think... just something to ponder.
sezjredeemed 1 year ago
like the christian CapnOAwesome.
oh and by the way, anyone who has any "belief" as to the exact way the universe came into being, is flat out wrong. Atheists and Theists alike are wrong.
DrewBearGameplay 1 year ago
I didn't realize TFP was a bigot. But because his imaginary friend tells him to be it's OK to him. And if you don't want to have to deal with people pointing out your bigotry, just pretend those people are frustrated. Those black slaves were just frustrated people because they didn't understand TFP's god's support of slavery.
TFP: "Wah, it's wrong to call me a bigot when I hide behind my imaginary friend! Wah!"
teaboyaudio 2 years ago
I don't get pissed off that people believe in a god.I find it slightly strange, even amusing but I don't get angry and I'm certainly not frustrated.All this changes of course when religious folk try and defend their world view with badly researched, nonsensical pseudo science and somehow believe that there is some kind of conspiracy amongst real scientists (those that actually seek the truth) to disprove the existence of a creator.Maybe its a fear of having their comfort blanket taken away?
Q3ToPBuZz 2 years ago
What the fuck!
THEWHIPX1 2 years ago
I'm no frustrated atheist! I'm EXCITED!
Every day the world is becoming more and more beautifully filled with love and tolerance, and that is magnificent. It's AWESOME.
If you truly believe that love between two people of the same gender is sinful, then it's just really too bad. I am so hopeful that humankind will get over hatred and judgment like this and that we can make our world completely lovely. If you don't want to be a part of that beautiful change, then that's just too bad my friend.
CompletelyLovely 2 years ago
Everything you do on this subject is great! Your videos and your comments!
bashlet 2 years ago
wtf are you rambling about??
random mutation?? so when someone's born with 3 arms or a pussy and a cock, thats god's work??
piffmonger 2 years ago
Atheists who post comments like the two below me are the real bigots.
They make fun of God and call you a bigot and intolerant. Didn't they just say your belief was stupid? Doesn't that count as INTOLERANT?!
-facepalm-
xdairybastardx 2 years ago
Actually, it doesn't. You can call my beliefs stupid all day long and half as much on Sunday (you've got church after all) and it still wouldn't be intolerant. What would be intolerant if they said. "You're stupid/evil/whatever, you're not allowed a voice to speak, and your opinions should be silenced". While I disagree with Jack, I don't think he should be silenced, nor do most of the posters I've seen judging on their comments. Calling a spade a spade is not intolerance.
Cafeeine 2 years ago
More fundie verbal diarrhea,my god can he wipe his shit everywhere!
Jack the diarrhea dispenser,you need a nappy for your mouth.
Rockster969 2 years ago
The comments from all the atheists is really hilarious xD
xdairybastardx 2 years ago
you need something called faith.
ElLeonidas2009 2 years ago
lol
BBertilson 2 years ago
indoctrination is teaching something that is not rational and has no evidence like god
patrickledford420 2 years ago