here is link on my new video about Saakashvili and his democracy, his lieing , his crimes, and how was trying to start 3WW, his is not 15 years baby, he understand that conflict NATO with Russia will start 3WW and anyway he started his game.
You are blind with hate of Georgians like all those skinheads in Moscow. Russian government does nothing to stop them, government even supports crime. You live in a criminal regime. I understand you, you simply are not allowd to have other oppinion regarding Georgians. It is restricted in your 'democratic' federation which became very similar to Soviet Russia.
it's not hate it's statistic, most of georgians are criminals, all Georgians who ruled USSR were brutal criminals the world ever seen,stop this bullshit i don't live in Russia,your goverment support crimes, and call it as democracy that is fact
seems you are russian who escaped from own country. Calling Georgians criminal is not excuse, it is just another fake reason to defend xenophobic paranoia of russians and killing innocent people. There is no stalin today but Putin.
what paranoia?:) it's not any Russia propaganda, or something like that, everyone who lives in Russia or Ukraine or Baltic oountries Latvia Estonia Lithuanian know that most of caucasians particulary Georgians criminals, and people don't think because they heard it on tv but on their own experience, i've got my own experience of that shit,of corse not all of georgians criminals, it's funny for me to discuss it , but again point on that video that Saakashvili democracy is fake
This is just stereotype promoted by russia and by people like you. And it is not about Georgians, it is about all foreigners in Russia and you know this better than me. Don't speak on behalf of other people what they think about Georgians.
Regarding fake democracy, its not up to you to evaluate level of democracy In Georgia. You'd better take care of your Russian democracy. Georgians will decide who is their leader themselves.
And fortunately we are able to decide who our leader should be as wll as have wide range of choices. Georgia is not Russia with the only candidate in bulletin :)))
i'am afraid fortunatly only for goverment cause any peacefull protest discriminates by Georgian goverment, Russia don't need Georgia, Russia don't want see NATO near Russian boarders
@Pseudologic I am among those who lived in 'real denocracy' as well as what you call 'fake democracy'. I have impression that for you, the real democracy is Russia :)
@mikeurushadze If you haven't lived in the West you haven't lived in a real democracy. Being supported by the US doesn't make you a democracy. They US has supported numerous fascist regimes over the years, and they always abandon them when convinient. Who will you crawl to next then? Keep supporting suckashvili, he'll bring you some more destruction.
@Pseudologic I told you that I lived in the west. And you have never lived in Georgia. So I belive that my evaluation of level of democracy in Georgia would be more accurate. If no democracy in Georgia US and EU would abendon Georgia.This is what they would like to do actually. Who needs headache because of tiny country in Caucasus? But they cannot do this because if they abendon Georgia they go against their fundament values.
@mikeurushadze Your assumptions are wrong once again. You think I've never lived in Georgia and you think the US and Europe cares for 3rd-world countries like yours. Georgians aren't natural thinkers. You're good at making vine and breeding sheep and not much else. I can't blame you for not realizing that you live under a fascist regime.
@Pseudologic why to write so many bad things about Georgians. Just say that you fuck russian pussy :) LOL that will explain your attitued towards Georgian democracy.
P.S. Don't forget to check the definition of fascism.
@mikeurushadze Another peculiar thing about georgians is that they don't seem to be able to hold an intelligent conversation without stooping to swear words. The last defense of the desperate and stupid. You lost the argument, go bow to your glorious leader.
i don't know what you want to say:) democracy it's human rights if you don't agree with that , there is no sence to talk:) just because you don't know meaning of that word
Well facts says that Georgian goverment is racist. cause they want to retake S Ossetia by military, killing people, destroying civilians houses.
Russia got angy with Georgia because your goverment killed a lot of russians citizens and russians peacekeepers, and your goverment were trying to involve NATO to fight Russia
we can talk here for ages, the Reason why i'll never believe that Russia reason of that war, Because when war was started, he said i didn't attack S Ossetia, it's Russians did it, which as everybody knows that was lieing, he said Russian airplanes droped 500 kilograms bombs(was he counting with calculator?) which was lie again, the only excuse he can show it's phone call, which is probably fake, cause he showed month after war , when everybody discovered that there was Attack on Tshkinvali
Its not about 500kg or 5 kg. The fact is that russia dropped bombs and many bombs. it even used cluster bombs on civilian targets. maybe you never believe because you sit in a warm chair watching russia's propaganda tv and started to follow this conflict when you learned about it. But I live in Georgia, I live with this conflict for many years and I was here during the war. The difference is that you evaluate by biased reports and i evaluate according to real facts which i witness with own eyes
i watch any Tv channels, don't watch georgians cant't understand language, i don't know how much there was dropped, and was it bombs or just airplane rockets, ITs not Russian facts, as i said EU agree that Georgia started war, US said it was Georgian mistake to attack S Ossetia , UN proved that Georgia started that war, you can simple watch Saakashvili report and what US and EU said in the begining, and what revealed after,
Russia provoked Georgia was defending itself. Nobody says that Georgia did not open fire. The question is why it started? Georgia has right to defend its territory and its people. Georgia was acting on it own territory and did not violate any borders compared to russia which simply invaded the country and recognized its regions.
it doesn't matter why, you can't call yourself democracy country, and start shelling civilians houses , killing people , peacekeepers, Gerogian army destroyed more than hundreds civilians houses, if you call yourself democracy, you can't do it:)buy book EU law, if person kill another person, only judge can punish the killer, but you can't go and shoot him back, i might understand Saakashvili if he was African, but he call himself democracy :)
Your last message is nonsense. Seems you don't know definition of democracy. What is your profession btw?
Regarding Africa, we are not racist in Georgia as you are in Russia, where every day they kill african and foreign students and caucasian people. Where officially thousends of georgians were hunted and deported by cargo planes to Georgia for very simple reason, Russia got 'angry' with Georgia.
Russians are happy to live in georgia and nobody harass them because we are civilized nation
i don't wana talk how good Georgians are, in Russia live more than 1 milllion Georgians most of them criminals, Stalin and Berie the two bloodiest persons who put shame on USSR, and made all people hate USSR, Holodomor in Ukraine(millions killed), mass deportations to syberia(millions), and other kilings all it Stalin and Berie, and all of them were Georgians. since USSR broke up, most Georgians became criminals, if normal person go to school and university, most of them went to shoot
that why people fed up of it and some of them started orgonize nazi organizations, which go beat people , whithout asking who are you, if you look like caucasian they might beat you without reason, and sometimes they beat simple people who is not involve in mafia, that is the trouble,and georgians one of the reasons,but anyway it's diffrent story,i'am not going discuss it just i don't think that advert georgian nation by saying that is good democracy nation makes benefit for georgia, cause false
plus if Saakashvili was preparing attack on S Ossetia he should do same as S Ossetians president did, evacuate georgian people, but he not only didn't do it he was hidding artilery weapons near Flats houses in Gori, i think the best idea it's build double iron wall between Georgian and S Ossetia boarders
Georgia was not planning this war this is why nobody was evacuated from Georgian villages and cities. Russia needed this war to stop Georgia entering NATO. If Georgia wanted this war it could start it in winter when roki tunnel is closed. Simply Georgia did not want the war, it was focusing on economic development and peaceful negotiations.
There are EU monitors, why nobody allows them to enter S. Ossetia? it became like closed zone. And people there are hostages of Russian regime
:) georgians forces in about 1 hour occupied S Ossetia:) not planned:) if you check videos or press with opinion about that war most people said it was planned war, even the fact that Georgians goverment used civilians flat houses to cover their artilery , and after use it as reason to blame Russia, i mean they used their own people, because US and EU doesn't want to support Russia, and in that situation they were trying to do everything just to put blame on Russia
Russia defend them because it's game between NATO and Russia, NATO want surround Russian territory with missiles and Russia doesn't want it, but both sides trying to get rid of straight conflict, Georgian president was trying to use it, well he actualy wanted to start 3WW it's not only about Ossetia , he put in dangerous whole world
is Ossetia belongs to Georgia or not, that is trouble not from today, and it wasn't USSR idea, cause trouble between Ossetia and Georgia has been going for ages, it's not 1 or 2 years it's been going for centuries,that is fact. It's big game between Russia and NATO but both sides trying to get rid of serious conflict, and they could get rid now as well if not Saakashvili
Stalin splited Ossetia, and after half Ossetia joined Russia and second half joined Georgia,That was made by stalin!BEFORE HE DID IT THE TERRITORY OF OSSETIA WASNT BELONG TO GEORGIA!probably that lieing point describe all yours replies on that video, first Stalin is Georgian, second there are Stalin's Statues in Georgia, third Stalin left big black spot in USSR history, by killing a lot of civilians or even army's famous generals,fourth Saakashvili and Stalin born in one day 21 of december,
Ossetians were relocated to Georgia, on that territory by stalin, as well as thousands of people were relocated from one point to another during USSR. THere was no north and South Ossetia. If you know geography there are caucasus mountains between those territories and they were absolutely isolated from each other before roki tunnel was built. I want to highlight ABSOLUTELY isolated.
Ossetians were on these mountans or lands long time before Stalin splited these territories:) just check wikipedia, the history of georgia, or check nation Ossetians, from 1800 or even early same as Ossetia and same as Georgia were many times occupied so if today Georgia or Ossetia independed tomorrow they were occupied by Russia, or in late time it was USSR,i can't understand what you want to say about Stalin , cause all he did he joined South Ossetia to Georgia,that is + for Georgia it's not -
but again, it's not history video, that fact is that Ossetians've been living on there lands for centuries and they never wanted to live with Georgians, and in our modern world you can't go and erase nation just because they don't want to be in georgia, it's not criminals or gangsters, it's civil nation who doesn't want belong to georgia, and what Saakashvili did that was genocide, but let's be honest i'am not Ossetian, the point of video is that Cloun Saakashvili was trying to start 3WW
one of the big questions is,why should it be "genozide" or "ethnical massmurder": Because it was over 1000 deaths in one night -other scources said,Georgians shooting caused some dozend deaths; or because of historical bad things georgian(tribes?) or connected Menschewiki should have done to Ossetians in 1922 or 1992? Why did Russia on a long-term run give x-1000s of russian passport to Ossetians? Occupying foreign citizens is a case of aggression.Kosovo was different around !
1) "why should it be "genozide" or "ethnical massmurder". Shelling of a helpless town by multiple rocket lunch systems IS a genocide.
2) "Why did Russia on a long-term run give x-1000s of russian passport to Ossetians?" The passport can be given only to whose who wish to get one. Ossetians were eager to get Russian passports because they were not wery happy about Georgians killing them: Ossetians needed somone who can protect them against Georgians.
There was no mass murder of Ossetians. Georgian army is trained well to avoid casualties in civil population. Most people died there because russians started aerial bombardments of Tskhinvali when they were unable to win on the ground. Russia is bombing and blaming Georgia for that, this is welknown soviet strategy. And number of dead is not 2000 as russia said, but less then 100. Do you know how many people died on Georgian side? Probably no. because you don't care
that why i upload that video cause the man who represent himself as victim with EU flag on background, and who said that in Georgia lowest corruption level in Europe(still can't get how Georgia bacame Europe), and the funy thing that cloun who started that war, who was using his own civilians people to covers Artilery, and actualy the person who was trying to start 3WW still not in prison, that is definetly unjustice,
just to clarify something: S.Ossetia is Georgian territory which is controlled by rebel military group sponsored by russia. This militia is constantly threatens georgian population of region. If russia was 'defending' its citizens who live on Georgian territory ilegally, why can't georgia protect its legal citizens in region and its territorial integrity?
at least georgia is democracy where people choose their leader compared to russia where there is no choice. Iran, Korea, Syria, Russia, same classification
what democracy?? 2007 , the police and georgian special forces went on streets and started kill and beat protestants, smash cars , they used started using sound weapons which is not allowed to use, shuting down tv channels, there is videos
watch?v=lRM8Qhhpbb0
watch?v=4JZ_fSXGTIQ&feature=related
watch?v=tHxQZmMRysU
if it's demoracy , it's the fake democracy i ever seen:)with democracy president with Europian flag on background
Regarding democracy, those protests were sponsored by russia and it was attempt to overthrow the government. The channel which was temporarily closed was owned by political leader and was calling people to storm into parliament building and make revolution. There are many ppl who support current government. In democray opinion of minority should be considered and opinion of majority should be defended.
:)so because in 12centurie or even early Mongol push them to caucasians mountains, Georgian goverment wants erase them?? because in 12 century South Ossetia wasn't their land?? i'am not going to get deep in history and find where dinosaurs were in that time, but the fact is that Russians didn't move them to Caucasians mountans(South Ossetia) and Ossetians were there long time before Stalin came,not like you said that Stalin relocate them:)you've got obvious prove that they were there in 12 centu
2. 'Shelling sleeping town'? Tskhinvali was evacuated days earlier. What about Georgian villages which were under fire before all started?
3. only '80 peacekeepers'? Hundreds of Russian tanks entered Georgian territory.
4. Ossetians were minority and stalin relocated other ossetians and made them majority and called that place S.Ossetia autonomy. It was done to have influence over Georgia which was not eager to be part of USSR.
1. that question you have to ask him, he knew that US support Georgian army, by any kind military, he knew that shelling sleeping town might involve US forces fight against Russian forces
2. Tshkinvali was evacuated? where did you get that?:)never heard it from any mass media, except Georgian corrupt TV or press.
Villages? why nobody said about that before war was started??there is no prove that it was made by Russians or Ossetians.
3. Saakashvili said i didn't attack Tskhinvali, the month after war, all world faced that it was lie even US, than Saakashvili found prove(recorded phone call,i can make same one on my pc) that Russian tanks where in South Ossetia before Georgians were shelling Tskhinvali,when he was asked why you showed phone call only month after war, he said it was delay:)there is no any real prove that Russian tanks where in South Ossetia before Georgians shelling tskhinvalli
4. again where did you get these relocation?Stalin joined South Ossetia to Georgian USSR republic, and called it S Ossetia atonomy, but it was under Georgian rule,:) Stalin could easy join S Ossetia to Russia, but because he was Georgian he joined to Georgia
I sent you the link as PM. It proves that Tskhinvali was evacuated days earlier before war started. Ossetians were shooting towards Georgian villages provoking Georgia, but despite this Georgia was not interested in military conflict. OSCE mission was monitoring this and confirmed that fire was coming from Ossetian Side. It was betwwn 1 - 7 August
Still doens't make sense, cause they evacuated children because Georgians started moving their forces to S Ossetia boarders, if they were shooting, Georgians have to inform mass media about it, but as far as i know it's dificult cause Ossetians report that Georgians shelling them two, in that case, Georgian president should request for EU peacekepers(not NATO) or EU police that they control that region or find any other way, but instead Saakashvili go and shelling sleeping town , killing civils
well as S Ossetian president said on video they evacuate children becasue Georgian moved military to S Ossetians boarders,That why Russians moved their millitary to S Ossetian boarder, because everybody know that Georgian preparing to attack, even Russian foreign ministr send massage to EU that Georgia moving forces to S Ossetia boarders, but nobody response on it
earlier you were saying that Georgia attacked unexpectedly. Now you are saying that everybody knew Georgia wanted to attack. It was russia who moved all its military near the border. How can you expalin that all russian military appeared in Georgia in just a few hours?
I repeat again that Georia did not want war and would never start war against its people. And russia bombarded all georgian cities and killed civilians even 500 km away from conflict zone.
i never said that, that was planned , in all my coments for others videos i said same that everybody knows that georgian prepairing attack, but everybody hope that it'll not be started that EU or US will stop them, i've never was in army but from Russia to Tshkinvali about 50 km as far as i know:) it can't be, because 500 km away it'll diffrent country, georgia no so big:)but it does Georgia started, and all world agree with that:) it's only Saakashvili supporters denied it
From Russia to Tskhinvali distance is not big. But all the equipment was stationed near Georgian border. Regarding 500km, Distance from Tskhinvali to Batumi is 500km, so georgia is not that tiny as you think.
it's still not 500 km but anyway as far as you know there is another Region Abhazia, there were some attack on Abhazia as well, it's funny talking the simple sence Saakashvili wanted to joined these regions back to Georgia he's got no brains to do it in diplomacy way , that way he went by military which is crime, and fact, we can discuss it for wild ,all i do i'll upload some vidoes from UN ,US and EU's representatives who says that georgia started war and it's georgia's mistake
that is only words, it was peacefull protest, and if you call yourself democracy you can't go and beat people just because they thing diffrent way, in every country you can see protestants but i've never seen in my life that police went outside and started beat everybody, people don't like that president, and they've got reason for it
you are right in 21st century you cannot erase the entire nation and this is what russia did to chechnia, now they want to repeat it with Georgia. There is no problem between Georgian and Ossetian people. We lived togather and many Ossetians love georgia and live here. Those conflicts are created artificially by Russia, nobody asks ossetian people what they want. Regime in ossetia is fully controlled by russia. They don't even have a right to make their own decesions.
i didn't talk about 21 century, i talked about 19 and 20 centuries, in that time a lot of countries occupied others Germany,Sweden, France,England. When USSR broke up , Georgian became independed.There is no problem between these nations,but Ossetians wants to live separate, and Georgian goverment doesn't want it, and because goverment can't solve problem , they desided to erase nation by military, Georgians people not against Ossetians that why they went on protest in 2007,
Ossetians can live on Georgian territory but cannot demand independance on Georgian land. No country in the world will accept this. Would russia accept if N.Ossetia would declare its independance? Chechnya tried and we saw what happened. I think russia does not have any moral right to say it was defending S. Ossetia
:)again , where did you get that it is Georgian land?? the South Ossetia was given to Georgia by Stalin, if you want get deep into history, we can find that where Georgia is Russian territory, so maybe Russia should turn it's lands back?? and erase georgians??as i said countries like Georgia and Ossetia have full history of occupation, by Russia or other countries, :) the fact is Ossetians live there for wild on that territory, and they never wanted to be in Georgia,but it's not reason to erase
it's nothing about moral, it's fact, Georgian army was shelling sleeping town, in that town was only about 80 peacekeepers, and all others were civilians, and it's not Russian versions,Whole world agree with that, the only reason why Saakashvili not jailed it's because US and EU never support Russia.if talk about moral, i think that Georgian goverment has no any moral right to attack Ossetians, cause that is provocation for 3WW
well, I repeat once again: Do you want to justify the mass murder of Ossetian civilians by the statement of yours: "refused foreign aid to save lives of submarine personnel"???
Does Saakashvili care about his own people? Georgians clame that S. Ossetia is a part of Georgia. Shelling of a helpless town is supposed to be some kind of care? No, it was GENOCIDE: mass murder of ethnical Ossetians.
I am not trying to justify anything compared to you. I already answerd that the only mass murderer in this story is russia and it is you who wants to justify that.
S. Ossetia IS INDEED part of Georgia! Only Russia, Nicaragua and Hamas recognize S. Ossetia as independent. So 'congrats' on your mutual oppinion with terrorists..
your 'third principle' was well planned by russian but it did not work because simply it did not happen. I repeat again, victims of genoide are georgians and not ossetians. russia is trying to justify its actioans after it violated all existing principals of international law when invaded sovereign state.
Russian peacekeepers did have a mandate for peacekeeping operation. Did Georgian peacekeepers have a mandate to open fire on Ossetian civilians?
I see you are angry that Russia "was well prepared for the conflict", and Russian actions were "well planned". You would prefer Russia just watch Russian citizens being mass murdered by Georgians? Would you?
peacekeepers should keep peace and avoid this conflict. Instead they did everything to fuel it up. The night when it started, after ossetians were shooting towards georgian villages for several days, russian 'peackeeper'leader said he lost control over the situation and asked georgians for assistance. Tskhinvali was evacuated days earlier because russia knew its intensions very well. "mass murder of russian citizens" is just a fake reason of russia to justify this aggression.
You say "russian peacekeepers asked georgians for assistance". That is something new. Now I understand: Georgians just came to Ossetia in order to help Russians, and the shelling of the Russian peacekeeping mission by Georgian artillery was some kind of friendly fire...
Excuse me but who is really criminal in this story is russia. Make some research regarding Chechnya and Beslan. There are many similar stories but those are sufficient to see who russia really is. AND PLEASE STOP BLAMING TINY GORGIA FOR EVERYTHING! It is making me mad that some european countries are 'selling' their values for gas. In human relations it is called something which I cannot write here. btw I don't mean UK.
Indeed, Georgia us not the only war criminal in that story. Georgia was backed by the US. Saakashvili was able to kill helpless Ossetians, since he got a huge PR-support from the US-controlled media.
Btw, do you suupose that the Beslan-tragedy is some kind of justification of Georgian war crimes in Ossetia?
I did not say beslan is justification of ossetian events. It is just a clear example that russia does not care about their own people. Suddenly they started to care about Ossetians. For some reason everybody forgot about Georgians who live there and actually live on their own land. (ethnic Osetians were relocated from N. Ossetia by Stalin) Nobody mentions any single prase about genocide of Georgians and dozens of thousand refugees.
You say that "Osetians were relocated from N. Ossetia by Stalin". That is a lie. I see that you are completely brainwashed by Georgian-nazi propaganda.
Watch Georgian genociders in Tskhinvali before Russians strike back
Osetians were relocated from N. Ossetia by Stalin" - this is not propaganda, but a welknown fact.Russians try to rewrite history as they alwyas used to do,but there are other more reliable sources.You don't need much brains to understand that S. Ossetia is Georgia when you look at anciend Georgian monuments and historic sights.
Regarding brainwashing, Kremlin can do it better than enyon else.I was studying at school with Russian books and after USSR I realized that I was taught russian lies.
Regarding video you sent. It is clear that you was not the one who recorded it and please don't behave like you know what was happenning in Georgia. I was here during the war, within actual war zone in the middle of military operations and my position is based on what I saw in real compared to yours which is based on some anti georgian reports, probably broadcasted by Kremlin funded TVs.
Let us take a look at facts, confirmed by international organizations and by common sense:
1) After the Kosovo precedent, Ossetia (de facto independent form Georgia) had a very good chance for international recognition. Georgians had to do something quickly
2) Georgian army attacked the demilitarized city of Tskhinvaly at 23:30, Aug 7.
3) Georgian officials were telling about "restoration of constitutional order". They were telling NOTHING about Ossetian provocations, because there were no any
maybe you include referencies? Do you know that Ossetian separatist were shooting at Georgian villages for several days before all started. Is this called demilitarized?? Georgian president gave order not to respond. But then Russian military started to flood S. Ossetia via Roki tunnel and shelling of georgian villages intensified. Georgia had to protect itself. If no antagonism from Georgia russians would be in tbilisi in few hours and would say that it was Georgians who started everything.
Tskhinvali was in a demilitarized zone, that means Ossetians were not allowed to have any heavy veaponry there. Ossetian militia had to protect the town during the first days of Georgian invasion. I repeat again, Georgian officials were telling NOTHING about Russians going to Rokski-tunnel at that time. Russians went to S. Ossetia only 15 hours after Georgians started shelling Tskhinvali.
Georgians say now, Russians provoke them to attack Ossetia. But during the first days of the conflict (Aug 7 - Aug 10) Georgians were telling about "restoration of constitutional order". The OSCE observers state clearly that Georgian aggression was unprovoked. Moreover, on the evening of Aug 7, Saakashvili told on TV that he loves Ossetia, but exactly at that moment Georgian army was on positions near Tskhinvali ready for invasion.
Russians find suspicious that Saakashvili spends lot of time with US :) They are acting like a jealous wife.
Just 900 000 bucks were enough to buy US? But Russians could offer 9million they definitely can afford that, even much more and overshadow Saakashvili. Why they didn't do that, eh?
But i'm surprised that Sakur is merely repeating this ridiculous russian "accusations". This is not serious for a journalist of his rank. Obviously, Sakur was run off serious points.
here is link on my new video about Saakashvili and his democracy, his lieing , his crimes, and how was trying to start 3WW, his is not 15 years baby, he understand that conflict NATO with Russia will start 3WW and anyway he started his game.
watch?v=ue4KG349yvI
kashelotiks 3 years ago
Kashelotiks,
You are blind with hate of Georgians like all those skinheads in Moscow. Russian government does nothing to stop them, government even supports crime. You live in a criminal regime. I understand you, you simply are not allowd to have other oppinion regarding Georgians. It is restricted in your 'democratic' federation which became very similar to Soviet Russia.
mikeurushadze 3 years ago
it's not hate it's statistic, most of georgians are criminals, all Georgians who ruled USSR were brutal criminals the world ever seen,stop this bullshit i don't live in Russia,your goverment support crimes, and call it as democracy that is fact
kashelotiks 3 years ago
seems you are russian who escaped from own country. Calling Georgians criminal is not excuse, it is just another fake reason to defend xenophobic paranoia of russians and killing innocent people. There is no stalin today but Putin.
mikeurushadze 3 years ago
what paranoia?:) it's not any Russia propaganda, or something like that, everyone who lives in Russia or Ukraine or Baltic oountries Latvia Estonia Lithuanian know that most of caucasians particulary Georgians criminals, and people don't think because they heard it on tv but on their own experience, i've got my own experience of that shit,of corse not all of georgians criminals, it's funny for me to discuss it , but again point on that video that Saakashvili democracy is fake
kashelotiks 3 years ago
This is just stereotype promoted by russia and by people like you. And it is not about Georgians, it is about all foreigners in Russia and you know this better than me. Don't speak on behalf of other people what they think about Georgians.
Regarding fake democracy, its not up to you to evaluate level of democracy In Georgia. You'd better take care of your Russian democracy. Georgians will decide who is their leader themselves.
mikeurushadze 3 years ago
And fortunately we are able to decide who our leader should be as wll as have wide range of choices. Georgia is not Russia with the only candidate in bulletin :)))
mikeurushadze 3 years ago
i'am afraid fortunatly only for goverment cause any peacefull protest discriminates by Georgian goverment, Russia don't need Georgia, Russia don't want see NATO near Russian boarders
kashelotiks 3 years ago
@mikeurushadze People who lived in real democracies can see right through your fake democracy. But keep thinking you're better/smarter than Russians.
Pseudologic 1 year ago
@Pseudologic I am among those who lived in 'real denocracy' as well as what you call 'fake democracy'. I have impression that for you, the real democracy is Russia :)
mikeurushadze 1 year ago
@mikeurushadze If you haven't lived in the West you haven't lived in a real democracy. Being supported by the US doesn't make you a democracy. They US has supported numerous fascist regimes over the years, and they always abandon them when convinient. Who will you crawl to next then? Keep supporting suckashvili, he'll bring you some more destruction.
Pseudologic 1 year ago
@Pseudologic I told you that I lived in the west. And you have never lived in Georgia. So I belive that my evaluation of level of democracy in Georgia would be more accurate. If no democracy in Georgia US and EU would abendon Georgia.This is what they would like to do actually. Who needs headache because of tiny country in Caucasus? But they cannot do this because if they abendon Georgia they go against their fundament values.
mikeurushadze 1 year ago
@mikeurushadze Your assumptions are wrong once again. You think I've never lived in Georgia and you think the US and Europe cares for 3rd-world countries like yours. Georgians aren't natural thinkers. You're good at making vine and breeding sheep and not much else. I can't blame you for not realizing that you live under a fascist regime.
Pseudologic 1 year ago
@Pseudologic why to write so many bad things about Georgians. Just say that you fuck russian pussy :) LOL that will explain your attitued towards Georgian democracy.
P.S. Don't forget to check the definition of fascism.
mikeurushadze 1 year ago
@mikeurushadze Another peculiar thing about georgians is that they don't seem to be able to hold an intelligent conversation without stooping to swear words. The last defense of the desperate and stupid. You lost the argument, go bow to your glorious leader.
Pseudologic 1 year ago
i don't know what you want to say:) democracy it's human rights if you don't agree with that , there is no sence to talk:) just because you don't know meaning of that word
Well facts says that Georgian goverment is racist. cause they want to retake S Ossetia by military, killing people, destroying civilians houses.
Russia got angy with Georgia because your goverment killed a lot of russians citizens and russians peacekeepers, and your goverment were trying to involve NATO to fight Russia
kashelotiks 3 years ago
we can talk here for ages, the Reason why i'll never believe that Russia reason of that war, Because when war was started, he said i didn't attack S Ossetia, it's Russians did it, which as everybody knows that was lieing, he said Russian airplanes droped 500 kilograms bombs(was he counting with calculator?) which was lie again, the only excuse he can show it's phone call, which is probably fake, cause he showed month after war , when everybody discovered that there was Attack on Tshkinvali
kashelotiks 3 years ago
Its not about 500kg or 5 kg. The fact is that russia dropped bombs and many bombs. it even used cluster bombs on civilian targets. maybe you never believe because you sit in a warm chair watching russia's propaganda tv and started to follow this conflict when you learned about it. But I live in Georgia, I live with this conflict for many years and I was here during the war. The difference is that you evaluate by biased reports and i evaluate according to real facts which i witness with own eyes
mikeurushadze 3 years ago
i watch any Tv channels, don't watch georgians cant't understand language, i don't know how much there was dropped, and was it bombs or just airplane rockets, ITs not Russian facts, as i said EU agree that Georgia started war, US said it was Georgian mistake to attack S Ossetia , UN proved that Georgia started that war, you can simple watch Saakashvili report and what US and EU said in the begining, and what revealed after,
kashelotiks 3 years ago
Russia provoked Georgia was defending itself. Nobody says that Georgia did not open fire. The question is why it started? Georgia has right to defend its territory and its people. Georgia was acting on it own territory and did not violate any borders compared to russia which simply invaded the country and recognized its regions.
mikeurushadze 3 years ago
it doesn't matter why, you can't call yourself democracy country, and start shelling civilians houses , killing people , peacekeepers, Gerogian army destroyed more than hundreds civilians houses, if you call yourself democracy, you can't do it:)buy book EU law, if person kill another person, only judge can punish the killer, but you can't go and shoot him back, i might understand Saakashvili if he was African, but he call himself democracy :)
kashelotiks 3 years ago
Your last message is nonsense. Seems you don't know definition of democracy. What is your profession btw?
Regarding Africa, we are not racist in Georgia as you are in Russia, where every day they kill african and foreign students and caucasian people. Where officially thousends of georgians were hunted and deported by cargo planes to Georgia for very simple reason, Russia got 'angry' with Georgia.
Russians are happy to live in georgia and nobody harass them because we are civilized nation
mikeurushadze 3 years ago
i don't wana talk how good Georgians are, in Russia live more than 1 milllion Georgians most of them criminals, Stalin and Berie the two bloodiest persons who put shame on USSR, and made all people hate USSR, Holodomor in Ukraine(millions killed), mass deportations to syberia(millions), and other kilings all it Stalin and Berie, and all of them were Georgians. since USSR broke up, most Georgians became criminals, if normal person go to school and university, most of them went to shoot
kashelotiks 3 years ago
that why people fed up of it and some of them started orgonize nazi organizations, which go beat people , whithout asking who are you, if you look like caucasian they might beat you without reason, and sometimes they beat simple people who is not involve in mafia, that is the trouble,and georgians one of the reasons,but anyway it's diffrent story,i'am not going discuss it just i don't think that advert georgian nation by saying that is good democracy nation makes benefit for georgia, cause false
kashelotiks 3 years ago
plus if Saakashvili was preparing attack on S Ossetia he should do same as S Ossetians president did, evacuate georgian people, but he not only didn't do it he was hidding artilery weapons near Flats houses in Gori, i think the best idea it's build double iron wall between Georgian and S Ossetia boarders
kashelotiks 3 years ago
Georgia was not planning this war this is why nobody was evacuated from Georgian villages and cities. Russia needed this war to stop Georgia entering NATO. If Georgia wanted this war it could start it in winter when roki tunnel is closed. Simply Georgia did not want the war, it was focusing on economic development and peaceful negotiations.
There are EU monitors, why nobody allows them to enter S. Ossetia? it became like closed zone. And people there are hostages of Russian regime
mikeurushadze 3 years ago
:) georgians forces in about 1 hour occupied S Ossetia:) not planned:) if you check videos or press with opinion about that war most people said it was planned war, even the fact that Georgians goverment used civilians flat houses to cover their artilery , and after use it as reason to blame Russia, i mean they used their own people, because US and EU doesn't want to support Russia, and in that situation they were trying to do everything just to put blame on Russia
kashelotiks 3 years ago
Russia defend them because it's game between NATO and Russia, NATO want surround Russian territory with missiles and Russia doesn't want it, but both sides trying to get rid of straight conflict, Georgian president was trying to use it, well he actualy wanted to start 3WW it's not only about Ossetia , he put in dangerous whole world
kashelotiks 3 years ago
is Ossetia belongs to Georgia or not, that is trouble not from today, and it wasn't USSR idea, cause trouble between Ossetia and Georgia has been going for ages, it's not 1 or 2 years it's been going for centuries,that is fact. It's big game between Russia and NATO but both sides trying to get rid of serious conflict, and they could get rid now as well if not Saakashvili
kashelotiks 3 years ago
Trouble began because of USSR and Stalin who moved Ossetians to Georgia.
mikeurushadze 3 years ago
Stalin splited Ossetia, and after half Ossetia joined Russia and second half joined Georgia,That was made by stalin!BEFORE HE DID IT THE TERRITORY OF OSSETIA WASNT BELONG TO GEORGIA!probably that lieing point describe all yours replies on that video, first Stalin is Georgian, second there are Stalin's Statues in Georgia, third Stalin left big black spot in USSR history, by killing a lot of civilians or even army's famous generals,fourth Saakashvili and Stalin born in one day 21 of december,
kashelotiks 3 years ago
history of Ossetia which has got period during centuries, and it began long time before USSR
kashelotiks 3 years ago
Ossetians were relocated to Georgia, on that territory by stalin, as well as thousands of people were relocated from one point to another during USSR. THere was no north and South Ossetia. If you know geography there are caucasus mountains between those territories and they were absolutely isolated from each other before roki tunnel was built. I want to highlight ABSOLUTELY isolated.
mikeurushadze 3 years ago
Ossetians were on these mountans or lands long time before Stalin splited these territories:) just check wikipedia, the history of georgia, or check nation Ossetians, from 1800 or even early same as Ossetia and same as Georgia were many times occupied so if today Georgia or Ossetia independed tomorrow they were occupied by Russia, or in late time it was USSR,i can't understand what you want to say about Stalin , cause all he did he joined South Ossetia to Georgia,that is + for Georgia it's not -
kashelotiks 3 years ago
but again, it's not history video, that fact is that Ossetians've been living on there lands for centuries and they never wanted to live with Georgians, and in our modern world you can't go and erase nation just because they don't want to be in georgia, it's not criminals or gangsters, it's civil nation who doesn't want belong to georgia, and what Saakashvili did that was genocide, but let's be honest i'am not Ossetian, the point of video is that Cloun Saakashvili was trying to start 3WW
kashelotiks 3 years ago
Mr.M.
one of the big questions is,why should it be "genozide" or "ethnical massmurder": Because it was over 1000 deaths in one night -other scources said,Georgians shooting caused some dozend deaths; or because of historical bad things georgian(tribes?) or connected Menschewiki should have done to Ossetians in 1922 or 1992? Why did Russia on a long-term run give x-1000s of russian passport to Ossetians? Occupying foreign citizens is a case of aggression.Kosovo was different around !
Kreatorix 3 years ago
Kreatorix
1) "why should it be "genozide" or "ethnical massmurder". Shelling of a helpless town by multiple rocket lunch systems IS a genocide.
2) "Why did Russia on a long-term run give x-1000s of russian passport to Ossetians?" The passport can be given only to whose who wish to get one. Ossetians were eager to get Russian passports because they were not wery happy about Georgians killing them: Ossetians needed somone who can protect them against Georgians.
HerrMoppel 3 years ago
There was no mass murder of Ossetians. Georgian army is trained well to avoid casualties in civil population. Most people died there because russians started aerial bombardments of Tskhinvali when they were unable to win on the ground. Russia is bombing and blaming Georgia for that, this is welknown soviet strategy. And number of dead is not 2000 as russia said, but less then 100. Do you know how many people died on Georgian side? Probably no. because you don't care
mikeurushadze 3 years ago
mikeurushadze
Georgian soldiers were trained well to kill helpless civilians
watch?v=Qe_-ubW98m0
But Georgian army can do nothin agains any regular army
HerrMoppel 3 years ago
Russians are masters of mass killings. genocide in Chechnya, Beslan Tragedy, Ingushetia, Moscow Nord Ost theatre, submarine Kursk, and others...
Back from the history: Tbilisi 9 April tragedy, golodomor in Ukraine, etc...
mikeurushadze 3 years ago
mikeurushadze
1) Chechnya is horrible episode of Russian history. Why should Russians want a civil war on the Russian territory???
2) Beslan, Nord Ost and many other tragedies were organized by islamic extrimists to weaken Ruissia.
3) Submarine Kursk... well, I repeat once again: Do you want to justify the mass murder of Ossetian civilians by the Kursk-tragedy???
HerrMoppel 3 years ago
mikeurushadze
It seems to me that you hate Russia, and that hatred makes you blind.
HerrMoppel 3 years ago
I don't hate russia, i hate injustice!
mikeurushadze 3 years ago
that why i upload that video cause the man who represent himself as victim with EU flag on background, and who said that in Georgia lowest corruption level in Europe(still can't get how Georgia bacame Europe), and the funy thing that cloun who started that war, who was using his own civilians people to covers Artilery, and actualy the person who was trying to start 3WW still not in prison, that is definetly unjustice,
kashelotiks 3 years ago
just to clarify something: S.Ossetia is Georgian territory which is controlled by rebel military group sponsored by russia. This militia is constantly threatens georgian population of region. If russia was 'defending' its citizens who live on Georgian territory ilegally, why can't georgia protect its legal citizens in region and its territorial integrity?
mikeurushadze 3 years ago
kashelotik
at least georgia is democracy where people choose their leader compared to russia where there is no choice. Iran, Korea, Syria, Russia, same classification
mikeurushadze 3 years ago
what democracy?? 2007 , the police and georgian special forces went on streets and started kill and beat protestants, smash cars , they used started using sound weapons which is not allowed to use, shuting down tv channels, there is videos
watch?v=lRM8Qhhpbb0
watch?v=4JZ_fSXGTIQ&feature=related
watch?v=tHxQZmMRysU
if it's demoracy , it's the fake democracy i ever seen:)with democracy president with Europian flag on background
kashelotiks 3 years ago
Regarding democracy, those protests were sponsored by russia and it was attempt to overthrow the government. The channel which was temporarily closed was owned by political leader and was calling people to storm into parliament building and make revolution. There are many ppl who support current government. In democray opinion of minority should be considered and opinion of majority should be defended.
mikeurushadze 3 years ago
Here are soem quotes from Wikipedia:
Under Mongol rule, they (Ossetians) were pushed out of their medieval homeland south of the Don River in present-day Russia...
what is now South Ossetia, part of the historical Georgian principality of Samachablo where Ossetians found refuge from Mongol invaders.
mikeurushadze 3 years ago
:)so because in 12centurie or even early Mongol push them to caucasians mountains, Georgian goverment wants erase them?? because in 12 century South Ossetia wasn't their land?? i'am not going to get deep in history and find where dinosaurs were in that time, but the fact is that Russians didn't move them to Caucasians mountans(South Ossetia) and Ossetians were there long time before Stalin came,not like you said that Stalin relocate them:)you've got obvious prove that they were there in 12 centu
kashelotiks 3 years ago
1. WW3? and why saakashvili would want that?
2. 'Shelling sleeping town'? Tskhinvali was evacuated days earlier. What about Georgian villages which were under fire before all started?
3. only '80 peacekeepers'? Hundreds of Russian tanks entered Georgian territory.
4. Ossetians were minority and stalin relocated other ossetians and made them majority and called that place S.Ossetia autonomy. It was done to have influence over Georgia which was not eager to be part of USSR.
mikeurushadze 3 years ago
1. that question you have to ask him, he knew that US support Georgian army, by any kind military, he knew that shelling sleeping town might involve US forces fight against Russian forces
2. Tshkinvali was evacuated? where did you get that?:)never heard it from any mass media, except Georgian corrupt TV or press.
Villages? why nobody said about that before war was started??there is no prove that it was made by Russians or Ossetians.
kashelotiks 3 years ago
3. Saakashvili said i didn't attack Tskhinvali, the month after war, all world faced that it was lie even US, than Saakashvili found prove(recorded phone call,i can make same one on my pc) that Russian tanks where in South Ossetia before Georgians were shelling Tskhinvali,when he was asked why you showed phone call only month after war, he said it was delay:)there is no any real prove that Russian tanks where in South Ossetia before Georgians shelling tskhinvalli
kashelotiks 3 years ago
4. again where did you get these relocation?Stalin joined South Ossetia to Georgian USSR republic, and called it S Ossetia atonomy, but it was under Georgian rule,:) Stalin could easy join S Ossetia to Russia, but because he was Georgian he joined to Georgia
kashelotiks 3 years ago
did you receive the bbc link I sent you or it was blocked by youtube?
Simply look at the map and it is very easy to tell that that territory belongs to Georgia. It is heart of Georgia.
mikeurushadze 3 years ago
you can't post link here, it'll be blocked, you can try send as PM
kashelotiks 3 years ago
news bbc co uk/2/hi/7542230.stm here is correct one. hope it goes thru.
mikeurushadze 3 years ago
no no one goes thru
kashelotiks 3 years ago
I sent you the link as PM. It proves that Tskhinvali was evacuated days earlier before war started. Ossetians were shooting towards Georgian villages provoking Georgia, but despite this Georgia was not interested in military conflict. OSCE mission was monitoring this and confirmed that fire was coming from Ossetian Side. It was betwwn 1 - 7 August
mikeurushadze 3 years ago
Still doens't make sense, cause they evacuated children because Georgians started moving their forces to S Ossetia boarders, if they were shooting, Georgians have to inform mass media about it, but as far as i know it's dificult cause Ossetians report that Georgians shelling them two, in that case, Georgian president should request for EU peacekepers(not NATO) or EU police that they control that region or find any other way, but instead Saakashvili go and shelling sleeping town , killing civils
kashelotiks 3 years ago
Those type of shootings used to happen there often but nobody never evacuated anyone. Why they evacuated now?
mikeurushadze 3 years ago
well as S Ossetian president said on video they evacuate children becasue Georgian moved military to S Ossetians boarders,That why Russians moved their millitary to S Ossetian boarder, because everybody know that Georgian preparing to attack, even Russian foreign ministr send massage to EU that Georgia moving forces to S Ossetia boarders, but nobody response on it
kashelotiks 3 years ago
to Kashelotiks,
earlier you were saying that Georgia attacked unexpectedly. Now you are saying that everybody knew Georgia wanted to attack. It was russia who moved all its military near the border. How can you expalin that all russian military appeared in Georgia in just a few hours?
I repeat again that Georia did not want war and would never start war against its people. And russia bombarded all georgian cities and killed civilians even 500 km away from conflict zone.
mikeurushadze 3 years ago
i never said that, that was planned , in all my coments for others videos i said same that everybody knows that georgian prepairing attack, but everybody hope that it'll not be started that EU or US will stop them, i've never was in army but from Russia to Tshkinvali about 50 km as far as i know:) it can't be, because 500 km away it'll diffrent country, georgia no so big:)but it does Georgia started, and all world agree with that:) it's only Saakashvili supporters denied it
kashelotiks 3 years ago
From Russia to Tskhinvali distance is not big. But all the equipment was stationed near Georgian border. Regarding 500km, Distance from Tskhinvali to Batumi is 500km, so georgia is not that tiny as you think.
mikeurushadze 3 years ago
it's still not 500 km but anyway as far as you know there is another Region Abhazia, there were some attack on Abhazia as well, it's funny talking the simple sence Saakashvili wanted to joined these regions back to Georgia he's got no brains to do it in diplomacy way , that way he went by military which is crime, and fact, we can discuss it for wild ,all i do i'll upload some vidoes from UN ,US and EU's representatives who says that georgia started war and it's georgia's mistake
kashelotiks 3 years ago
bbc co uk /2/hi/7542230.stm here is it
mikeurushadze 3 years ago
that is only words, it was peacefull protest, and if you call yourself democracy you can't go and beat people just because they thing diffrent way, in every country you can see protestants but i've never seen in my life that police went outside and started beat everybody, people don't like that president, and they've got reason for it
kashelotiks 3 years ago
Kashelotiks,
you are right in 21st century you cannot erase the entire nation and this is what russia did to chechnia, now they want to repeat it with Georgia. There is no problem between Georgian and Ossetian people. We lived togather and many Ossetians love georgia and live here. Those conflicts are created artificially by Russia, nobody asks ossetian people what they want. Regime in ossetia is fully controlled by russia. They don't even have a right to make their own decesions.
mikeurushadze 3 years ago
i didn't talk about 21 century, i talked about 19 and 20 centuries, in that time a lot of countries occupied others Germany,Sweden, France,England. When USSR broke up , Georgian became independed.There is no problem between these nations,but Ossetians wants to live separate, and Georgian goverment doesn't want it, and because goverment can't solve problem , they desided to erase nation by military, Georgians people not against Ossetians that why they went on protest in 2007,
kashelotiks 3 years ago
Ossetians can live on Georgian territory but cannot demand independance on Georgian land. No country in the world will accept this. Would russia accept if N.Ossetia would declare its independance? Chechnya tried and we saw what happened. I think russia does not have any moral right to say it was defending S. Ossetia
mikeurushadze 3 years ago
:)again , where did you get that it is Georgian land?? the South Ossetia was given to Georgia by Stalin, if you want get deep into history, we can find that where Georgia is Russian territory, so maybe Russia should turn it's lands back?? and erase georgians??as i said countries like Georgia and Ossetia have full history of occupation, by Russia or other countries, :) the fact is Ossetians live there for wild on that territory, and they never wanted to be in Georgia,but it's not reason to erase
kashelotiks 3 years ago
it's nothing about moral, it's fact, Georgian army was shelling sleeping town, in that town was only about 80 peacekeepers, and all others were civilians, and it's not Russian versions,Whole world agree with that, the only reason why Saakashvili not jailed it's because US and EU never support Russia.if talk about moral, i think that Georgian goverment has no any moral right to attack Ossetians, cause that is provocation for 3WW
kashelotiks 3 years ago
1. it was chechens who wanted independance and russia ethnically cleansed and destroyed entire chechen nation.
2. 3. It is about mass killings.
**Nord Ost, russia poisoned its own citizens.
**Beslan, russia refused to negotiate and started to attack, killing hundreds of poor kids.
**Kursk, russia refused foreign aid to save lives of submarine personnel. To hide something..
Russia doesn't care about it own people and I will never believe that russia cares about ossetians.
mikeurushadze 3 years ago
mikeurushadze
well, I repeat once again: Do you want to justify the mass murder of Ossetian civilians by the statement of yours: "refused foreign aid to save lives of submarine personnel"???
Does Saakashvili care about his own people? Georgians clame that S. Ossetia is a part of Georgia. Shelling of a helpless town is supposed to be some kind of care? No, it was GENOCIDE: mass murder of ethnical Ossetians.
HerrMoppel 3 years ago
I am not trying to justify anything compared to you. I already answerd that the only mass murderer in this story is russia and it is you who wants to justify that.
S. Ossetia IS INDEED part of Georgia! Only Russia, Nicaragua and Hamas recognize S. Ossetia as independent. So 'congrats' on your mutual oppinion with terrorists..
mikeurushadze 3 years ago
mikeurushadze
There are two basic principles in solving conflict situations like this one:
1) the principle of territorial integrity.
2) the right for self-determination.
Georgians introduced the third principle:
3) Kill all Ossetians and the problem is solved.
Fortunately, that did not work.
HerrMoppel 3 years ago
HerrMoppel
your 'third principle' was well planned by russian but it did not work because simply it did not happen. I repeat again, victims of genoide are georgians and not ossetians. russia is trying to justify its actioans after it violated all existing principals of international law when invaded sovereign state.
mikeurushadze 3 years ago
mikeurushadze
Russian peacekeepers did have a mandate for peacekeeping operation. Did Georgian peacekeepers have a mandate to open fire on Ossetian civilians?
I see you are angry that Russia "was well prepared for the conflict", and Russian actions were "well planned". You would prefer Russia just watch Russian citizens being mass murdered by Georgians? Would you?
HerrMoppel 3 years ago
HerrMoppel,
peacekeepers should keep peace and avoid this conflict. Instead they did everything to fuel it up. The night when it started, after ossetians were shooting towards georgian villages for several days, russian 'peackeeper'leader said he lost control over the situation and asked georgians for assistance. Tskhinvali was evacuated days earlier because russia knew its intensions very well. "mass murder of russian citizens" is just a fake reason of russia to justify this aggression.
mikeurushadze 3 years ago
mikeurushadze
You say "russian peacekeepers asked georgians for assistance". That is something new. Now I understand: Georgians just came to Ossetia in order to help Russians, and the shelling of the Russian peacekeeping mission by Georgian artillery was some kind of friendly fire...
HerrMoppel 3 years ago
to HerryMoppel
In this war Russian 'peacekeepers' were togather with Ossetians fighting against Georgia.
mikeurushadze 3 years ago
The fact is that the majority of people in the US still don't realize that Saaka is a war criminal
HerrMoppel 3 years ago
Excuse me but who is really criminal in this story is russia. Make some research regarding Chechnya and Beslan. There are many similar stories but those are sufficient to see who russia really is. AND PLEASE STOP BLAMING TINY GORGIA FOR EVERYTHING! It is making me mad that some european countries are 'selling' their values for gas. In human relations it is called something which I cannot write here. btw I don't mean UK.
mikeurushadze 3 years ago
mikeurushadze
Indeed, Georgia us not the only war criminal in that story. Georgia was backed by the US. Saakashvili was able to kill helpless Ossetians, since he got a huge PR-support from the US-controlled media.
Btw, do you suupose that the Beslan-tragedy is some kind of justification of Georgian war crimes in Ossetia?
HerrMoppel 3 years ago
I did not say beslan is justification of ossetian events. It is just a clear example that russia does not care about their own people. Suddenly they started to care about Ossetians. For some reason everybody forgot about Georgians who live there and actually live on their own land. (ethnic Osetians were relocated from N. Ossetia by Stalin) Nobody mentions any single prase about genocide of Georgians and dozens of thousand refugees.
mikeurushadze 3 years ago
mikeurushadze
You say that "Osetians were relocated from N. Ossetia by Stalin". That is a lie. I see that you are completely brainwashed by Georgian-nazi propaganda.
Watch Georgian genociders in Tskhinvali before Russians strike back
watch?v=Qe_-ubW98m0
HerrMoppel 3 years ago
Osetians were relocated from N. Ossetia by Stalin" - this is not propaganda, but a welknown fact.Russians try to rewrite history as they alwyas used to do,but there are other more reliable sources.You don't need much brains to understand that S. Ossetia is Georgia when you look at anciend Georgian monuments and historic sights.
Regarding brainwashing, Kremlin can do it better than enyon else.I was studying at school with Russian books and after USSR I realized that I was taught russian lies.
mikeurushadze 3 years ago
Regarding video you sent. It is clear that you was not the one who recorded it and please don't behave like you know what was happenning in Georgia. I was here during the war, within actual war zone in the middle of military operations and my position is based on what I saw in real compared to yours which is based on some anti georgian reports, probably broadcasted by Kremlin funded TVs.
mikeurushadze 3 years ago
Let us take a look at facts, confirmed by international organizations and by common sense:
1) After the Kosovo precedent, Ossetia (de facto independent form Georgia) had a very good chance for international recognition. Georgians had to do something quickly
2) Georgian army attacked the demilitarized city of Tskhinvaly at 23:30, Aug 7.
3) Georgian officials were telling about "restoration of constitutional order". They were telling NOTHING about Ossetian provocations, because there were no any
HerrMoppel 3 years ago
maybe you include referencies? Do you know that Ossetian separatist were shooting at Georgian villages for several days before all started. Is this called demilitarized?? Georgian president gave order not to respond. But then Russian military started to flood S. Ossetia via Roki tunnel and shelling of georgian villages intensified. Georgia had to protect itself. If no antagonism from Georgia russians would be in tbilisi in few hours and would say that it was Georgians who started everything.
mikeurushadze 3 years ago
i.e. they would overthrw the government of Georgia.
This military operation helped georgia to earn time. So that word leaders respond and stop russia.
mikeurushadze 3 years ago
Tskhinvali was in a demilitarized zone, that means Ossetians were not allowed to have any heavy veaponry there. Ossetian militia had to protect the town during the first days of Georgian invasion. I repeat again, Georgian officials were telling NOTHING about Russians going to Rokski-tunnel at that time. Russians went to S. Ossetia only 15 hours after Georgians started shelling Tskhinvali.
HerrMoppel 3 years ago
Georgians say now, Russians provoke them to attack Ossetia. But during the first days of the conflict (Aug 7 - Aug 10) Georgians were telling about "restoration of constitutional order". The OSCE observers state clearly that Georgian aggression was unprovoked. Moreover, on the evening of Aug 7, Saakashvili told on TV that he loves Ossetia, but exactly at that moment Georgian army was on positions near Tskhinvali ready for invasion.
HerrMoppel 3 years ago
You say that "This military operation helped georgia to earn time". In other words, you try to justify the mass murder of Ossetian civilians.
HerrMoppel 3 years ago
Russians find suspicious that Saakashvili spends lot of time with US :) They are acting like a jealous wife.
Just 900 000 bucks were enough to buy US? But Russians could offer 9million they definitely can afford that, even much more and overshadow Saakashvili. Why they didn't do that, eh?
But i'm surprised that Sakur is merely repeating this ridiculous russian "accusations". This is not serious for a journalist of his rank. Obviously, Sakur was run off serious points.
pirveliskola 3 years ago