@Greyshark09 The Sicarii were fanatics, but they weren't any more murderous than our Navy SEALS. I'm a fanatic, too. Does that make me murderous?
Oh, and it wasn't suicide. The occupiers of Masada killed each other. Then Eleazar killed himself. Much preferable to being tortured, (probably) sodomized, and murdered by the Romans.
this comes across as a crappy matching of a credible first-hand historical account versus some modern speculations and opinions of unqualified "experts" debunking a "myth".
@c0smicbyte Quote from Assassin's Creed: "Anyone could write a book, and he can put anything in it. I remembered there is a book that said the world was created in 6 days, and a best seller too".
Whoever the Jewish historian was, it is sure that:
- He was not at the siege.
- Certainly, if no Jews survived the siege, none could have told him the story.
- Romans ... surely won't talk to a Jew about a battle they fought.
So ... how "first hand" is this Jewish historian account ?
Rabbinic judaism (today the mainstream) discourages suicide, while Massada was taken by the murderous fanatic Sicarii. I see little similarities between Sicarii and what you know as Judaism today. Joseph was found to be most credible source (exaggeration?), while the speculations of archaeologists are doubtful in some cases.
@Greyshark09 The guy was sitting on his arse in Rome and he was a chronicler for the Roman (watched the first part). How the hell could 7 seven survivors go all the way from Israel to Rome to tell the guy.
Probably he heard stories from the Romans.commanders or troops. Then made the whole thing up.
@Deadman1709 Shot reply re "6 days": Dr. Gerals Schroeder, former MIT professor now teaching in Israel, explains this in his book, "The Science of God", and also in his YouTube video, "The Age of the Universe". A span of time if we consider here for a moment Einstein's theory of relativity, could be six days or fifteen billion years depending on how and where you are observing it.
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MrLimborace 1 day ago
And the moral lesson left by the Romans "Mess with the Best, Die like the Rest"
gaiusscipio 11 months ago 2
@Greyshark09 The Sicarii were fanatics, but they weren't any more murderous than our Navy SEALS. I'm a fanatic, too. Does that make me murderous?
Oh, and it wasn't suicide. The occupiers of Masada killed each other. Then Eleazar killed himself. Much preferable to being tortured, (probably) sodomized, and murdered by the Romans.
callmejesusfreak 1 year ago
this comes across as a crappy matching of a credible first-hand historical account versus some modern speculations and opinions of unqualified "experts" debunking a "myth".
c0smicbyte 1 year ago
@c0smicbyte Quote from Assassin's Creed: "Anyone could write a book, and he can put anything in it. I remembered there is a book that said the world was created in 6 days, and a best seller too".
Whoever the Jewish historian was, it is sure that:
- He was not at the siege.
- Certainly, if no Jews survived the siege, none could have told him the story.
- Romans ... surely won't talk to a Jew about a battle they fought.
So ... how "first hand" is this Jewish historian account ?
Deadman1709 1 year ago
@Deadman1709
He is talking about the book by Joseph ben Matityahu.
There were 7 survivors in Masada siege, who escaped before the suicide and told the story to Joseph.
Greyshark09 1 year ago
@Greyshark09 several things are pretty doubtful:
- Judaism discourage suicide.
- Is it possible that the survivors told an incorrect story? or Joseph report it incorrectly? Or full of speculations?
- Joseph has a history of exaggeration. As well as a lot of historians.
And as I said: anyone can write a book, and he can put anything into it. A few thousand years later, it can very well be the last surviving source.
Deadman1709 1 year ago
@Deadman1709
Rabbinic judaism (today the mainstream) discourages suicide, while Massada was taken by the murderous fanatic Sicarii. I see little similarities between Sicarii and what you know as Judaism today. Joseph was found to be most credible source (exaggeration?), while the speculations of archaeologists are doubtful in some cases.
Greyshark09 1 year ago
@Greyshark09 The guy was sitting on his arse in Rome and he was a chronicler for the Roman (watched the first part). How the hell could 7 seven survivors go all the way from Israel to Rome to tell the guy.
Probably he heard stories from the Romans.commanders or troops. Then made the whole thing up.
Deadman1709 1 year ago
@Deadman1709 Shot reply re "6 days": Dr. Gerals Schroeder, former MIT professor now teaching in Israel, explains this in his book, "The Science of God", and also in his YouTube video, "The Age of the Universe". A span of time if we consider here for a moment Einstein's theory of relativity, could be six days or fifteen billion years depending on how and where you are observing it.
c0smicbyte 1 year ago