i'd take the ISF the Merc & Bimmer because 1.where the hell am i going to find a race track?.. 2.I'm not going to be doing any top speed runs (i prefer to slide :D).. 3.it looks better.. 4. i'm sure its more luxurious 5. its cheaper.. 6. i'm a die hard fan of Japanese cars ;)
Would anyone here spend USD 60k for a roller coaster ride they have to take to the shop after 1 month? If i am paying that kind of money i expect something that lasts
Manual is always better than automatic ...... If u have a sports car with automatic transmission do ur self a favor and don't post ur opinion here.....
With the sport button on on the ISF is just magnificent, it makes the transmission more hyper and the downshift revs at an high pitch just like the LFA.
@andreakatickles1 these are experts how the fuck would you know? its not like youve driven one...DUMBASS..even the japanese say that the M3 is still better than the ISF...as far as saloons go..germans kick ass..
I think the 8 speed is good because most buyers will be using it for city driving so its good for it economy wise although it may not be that good for racing
Yea, the IS models look pretty sleek. I am a BMW owner, but if you are only talking about exterior, I think all these three cars are fantastic. And Lexus does have a comfortable ride. So interior wise, I think BMW should take something from the other two. I am not saying BMW's interior is not refined, but maybe just needs something extra. Then it comes down to reliability, I know Japanese cars are good in this field, but all BMW owners have a 4-year BMW assist, even if anything happens.
@1006Will And then it comes down to performance, how do you judge performance besides arbitrarily reading HP and Torque numbers off the paper? You take it on the track and test drive the cars by a professional racer. Whichever is the fastest, has the best performance as not all roads in real life are straight, so 0-60 drag race doesn't really mean too much unless you are constantly dragracing someone..And after you watched the second video, the result should be clear.
all ill say is that this is first of the lexus F division so give it a break.. they will change how the car drives. i dont think that first m3 was as good as the first isf.
@RemoAmbasador Cause you're a STUPID german. Japanese only know how to build a grocery getter car , not a performance sports car like a BMW M3 or Porsche .
I don't think they are all much different accept ISF and AMG has too much body fat! If I'm going to shell the money for, AMG interior would win, but BMW would win all around. Though I'm a Lexus fan boy. But, for the price to what you get competition, I might just go for ISF!
well tuned m3 beat tuned c63 from roll race and from start just check :) especialy when both cars have tuned exhaust c63 pushes more power but shifting is so much faster on bmw :) for me bmw better :) for the performance and for the looks
@weed46 ,, not my 3 series and the other 3 series my friends ever owned. They all have electrical problems and my buddys E46 M3 just busted his Vanos, not cheap and not a happy camper.
@inallthatyouare yeaaahhh maaannn. i go german because they reliable enouggh to own, no need to go for less like a lexus lol. Why buy from a company that has no performance reputation.
u buy America - easy and cheap to fix, nice looks and good cars and a long history
u buy european- history, performance, looks, luxury, exoensive to fix, but cheap enough expenses to own
@TheDJDESI obviously u have never owned a BMW or MB. or u have never owned anything else other then BMW or MB! if u had u would know BMW and MB are pretty much trash as far as reliability goes. they are only good for show-off and thats one of the reasons y i can buy a used S600 ($150,000 msrp) or a 7-series for less then 30 grand w/ less then 30K miles on it
@attananightshadow first of all pretty much every year for every European car sold 5 Japanese cars were sold in the US like in 2009 554,148 euro cars were sold compared to 2,861,793 Japanese cars so what ur saying is practically impossible even if a European car lasted three times as long as a Japanese car which is not true.....past has shown that Japanese cars r the longest lasting cars! so u obviously dont know shit about cars so im not even gonna waste my time arguing with ur dumbass
@ricksmiths10 Maybe. While I do see 12 year old Japanese cars as well as German (since I don't see any British cars) on the road, I don't seem to see many more of the Japanese cars than German ones and yet those cars, like your figures, were produced in a higher quantity, at least in Los Angeles. I mean everywhere I drive I ALWAYS see MBs and BMWs, the cheaper ones which don't as many 'stuff' that could cause unreliability.
@unknownunknowns its the same in every big city. its coz people wanna look like they r somewhat "rich" so they tend to buy a 3-5 year old BMW or MB since they are sold cheap as hell compared to a 3-5 year old Acura or lexus! u can go on autotraders and see for urself what kind of used BMW's and MB's u can get for $30 - $20,000 compared to a lexus or acura. and i have alot of people in my family and friend circle who own a BMW and i kno for a fact how unreliable they can be.
@ricksmiths10 If you want to have the best performance, quality, looking, and technology you have to pay extra, caus lexus (toyota) will give some things for free, but the quality of these extras will be really poor.
@n8neiTen8n go ahead tell me what kind of best performance, quality, looks, and technology u get on bimmers that are worth more.....and don't try to bs me as I have driven a lot of bmws and I know a lot of BMW owners
@ricksmiths10 Gearbox, suspension, tracksion, high rpm - which is very sport :) interior - original by BMW (lexus is trying to copy BMW's design), best materials and detail, but lexus is JUST a toyota for suckers - people spending are buying toyota paying like for BMW, Mercedes or Audi, but they get ONLY toyota.
@n8neiTen8n ok first of all learn how to make sense with ur comments....and does BMW really have the best gearbox...nope!....i gonna take it by tracksion u mean G-pad so lets talk about that....M3 sedan and ISF both have the same Grip (.93).....but somehow the 370Z has higher grip pad compared to 135i or Z4 so i gonna say u really dont have to pay more to get more.....and high RPMs dont mean shit....the S2000 reved all the way upto 9000 so does it make it any faster...nope!............
@n8neiTen8n best materials in the BMW huh?........u can get a $3500 mark levinson audio system in lexus compared to a $800 harman kardon logic 7 system in the bimmer........and i have been in a 2010 5-series the leather on the LS460 is way more softer and comfortable compared to that in the 5-series.....and u just proved u dont know shit about lexus by saying "lexus is just a toyota for sucker" u made it quite obvious that u have never actually driven a lexus or been in one!
@inallthatyouare who give a fuck about Reliability scale,you buy a car to drive and have fun with it not think about resale value. If you care resale value go buy bond.
@inallthatyouare True, but remember that BMW produces the most advanced cars in the world, so there are many things to break, and that means the toyota (lexus) build really technological-poor cars.
@inallthatyouare This is complete bullshit. I defy you to name one BMW v8 that is as reliable as the chevy LSx motors. My coworker daily drives a 98 corvette with no engine rebuilds and consistent 30mpg on the highway. show me just one BMW v8 that can do that, or better yet, do that 12 years ago.
@inallthatyouare Lol WTF are you talking about ? "but looks better, performs better, and will last longer than any american rival."? WHAT american rival? I can't tink of a single American Super-sedan...leterially not a one.
American cars due to thier simplicity make them more reliable and eaisier to service than European cars. European cars like BMW, Audi, Ferrari, Lamborghini, and Porsche are some of the most unreliable cars around and that is due to there complicity and overengineering. They do have more problems than american cars and that's a Fact. In the end I would take the Lexus or the Merc. I hate BMW's.
BMW has been making sport sedans for years so im not surprised that its the fastest, mercedes(my fav) is still pretty new to the sport sedans but i give props too Lexus/Toyota for making its first sporty car since wat?? the Supra?? its very out of character for Lexus and i hope they continue to update this car cause its quite nice but for now il keep the C63 ( I hate most bmw's...m engines are weak
I don't think it's boring and ugly. The engine leaves a little to be desired but it's a great car. As far as faster around the track..... The difference between the F and M3 is all in the driver. Most professional drivers are just very used to the M dynamics (which are great btw) and anything different and outside their comfort zone, especially when competing in the same market, is typically not liked on the first go-around. There's still room for improvement from Lexus, but it's great.
the Fat glove short sleave driver..just pissed me off.. and all those sensor for slip etc...all there missing is a sensor for the fat shit driving the car...the car would shut off and drop him off at the nearest fast food joint..pigs
The car is not easy to tune. It has an extremely high compression ratio, and is very edgy as it stands. The ECU's are next to impossible to unlock as well which means no one has come out with updates for it. Exhaust and intakes don't seem to provide much in the way of extra power. There is a turbo kit for it though, but they let the stock ECU compensate for the boost.
Just give lexus more time to make a performance car that will beat many others. This is it's first. BMW has been making them for years. Same with mercedes. I'd say the IS-F is pretty damn good. Also check out the lexus LF-A. That beats any BMW. It comes out in 2010.
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No, in one test called shootout is-f vs. rs4 or something is-f won. And top gear is crap always wins germans cars because that fat guy don't like Japanese cars
Exactly. Oh wait, I saw recently Lexus recalled over 500K of their current GS models. No 5-Series has been recalled by those numbers, neither E-Class or Audi A6. Its ok cause Lexus recalled one of those small defects that could catch the car on fire. The fact is that Lexus is a wanna be Mercedes, BMW and Audi. Fact is simple. German cars out sell, out perform, out style, out value your Japanesse shit. Remember that the IS-F has a higher MSPR too vs the M3. Which the M3 smashed the shit out of.
Where's the proof of that? In the last JD Power Survey, Mercedes did very well, for instance. In the case of the C63, there aren't any specific reports, but the engineers restrained the engine power to guarantee absolute reliability; they say that they could easily have unleashed more power, but they wanted to make absolutely sure it won't go wrong...I'd call that very good reliability
are you kidding? haha Lexus is the most reliable of all the luxury brands. BMW has recalls left and right all the time. Heck, the 5 series had a recall few years ago because the automatic transmission would fail in park and the car would roll down a hill. Ouch!
I have no problems with mine..and the lexus..has had issues. I thought the same about lexus..but they have issues and more so then the bmw..recently..so..do you choose everything you buy based on reliablity..so I guess you got platic everything and really nice teflon suits.. they must last long but are no fun
good god you are just spewing filth to try and prove a point that you lost long ago. Lexus reliability is light years beyond BMW. I own an F, an LX570, and previously the wife had an RX400h. NONE of them had a single problem with them. The LX570 is a daily driver, and I split the F with another vehicle. You can' tunderstand reliability until you own one.
...I guess you would never consider a ferrari or any other product that just did not make the cut on some reliability list..consumer reports.. one thing missing and it understanble that many just don't get it. those who do..do and those who don't...don't.
Hah, it's not surprising you avoid the subject, which was reliability btw. Don't go spreading lies when it's clearly obvious which brand has superior reliability. We were never talking about what I would, or wouldn't buy so you going there, is just avoiding your own stupidity. I also own a 650+hp Diesel Ford F-250, so I guess that pokes a hole in your comment. BTW, you'd better do your research on the difference between Lexus and Toyota before you go spreading more rumors.
Next you have a chance look under the lexus, and see how vulnerable the car is anuwhere outside warm climates..try driving a lexus in very severe winter conditions..no protection and faulty exhaust design...look under the car any German car and then the toyota/lexus..btw same company the toyota brand is actually stronger in some markets and the Lexus who drive goes under Toyota..
Hahaha again with all the mis-information, wow you're a bright one aren't you? The F in particular is purposely smooth on the bottom side. I haven't seen a BMW do it any better, and I have a BMW lover in the family. In fact, his BMW's have all been in the shop numerous times for engine problems, and the shoddy interiors like to fall apart. So much for your german engineering. Seriously now... you should focus on fact, not rumor. You sound like a pimply 16 year old.
Towelman20, are you kidding me, Acura does not outsell Lexus and Infiniti. Where the hell do you get your info? Last i checked, anything that came out Honda/Acura came out ugly. front end ugly, ass end ugly. I don't know if anyone realize but the IS-F was not built to go up against any car, it was built to be driven, read the earlier articles on the IS-F, people have always compared it to the M3.
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The Acura TL is the best selling luxury car in the usa my mistake about acura out selling lexus and infinti.Acura doess out sell them with one car it called the acura TL as i mentioned above.
Fix the steering, and put some more meat on the rear wheels. Finally, this is a small car with a lot of horsepower. Not an 18 wheeler. It does not need an 8 speed trans. with an inefficient torque converter. Believe me, the paddle shifters are not nearly what they're cracked up to be. Scrap that thing, give me a simple 5 or 6 speed REAL manual, and it might be something to consider.
@inallthatyouare But this car was build to be sport. It's comparison (as japs says... HAHAHAHA) to BMW M and C AMG. Well, lexus can make a cheap cars, but never as good as BMW, Mercedes or Audi.
@inallthatyouare soon 8 speeds will be standard and people will be bitching about 10 speeds. The more gears the better as long as they work well with the engine. Toyota makes the best transmissions in the world.
@inallthatyouare not nessesarily man, depends on how you set the gear ratios up... 8speed you can have closer grear ratios so you can have faster shifts....
@mace2142 Yes. Sequential transmissions that are now very popular and can shift in less than .2 Miliseconds without even removing power from the wheels. If stick shifts were the best for racing why wouldn't F1 and all racecars (except nascar) have them?
@inallthatyouare LOL That's just wishful thoughts of bimmer fans back two years ago. Because they didn't have 8 speed transmission. Now bimmer is also going after 8 speed
I have an IS350 (the F wasn't out yet when I got mine) Overall I like the car, but this guy is right on when hes talking about the electric power steering. Its has a very wierd feel to it, with little feedback from the road. Sadly, my Chevy 2500HD pickup has much better road feel, and is easier to figure out what the wheels are doing. This is a problem with most Toyotas I've driven. The steering wheel is so numb that it feels like its not even connected to anything under the hood
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Amazing. The only way a Jap could beat a German car is built it cheep and mod the crap out of it. So what???The Japs can't build a car upto par with it's competition off the production line???
keep your panties on. this is Lexus' first real try into this category. They have plenty of improvement that can be made. If they are able to be compared with these other brands that have years in this category, imagine if they were to fix all these little things they would have an awesome car!
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I am not to sur about that i mean the lexus IS-f is a horible failure and lexus is just a tryhard luxury brand of toyota.
Inifiniti is another failure nissan is trying to hard with Inifinti and embaressly failing evry time and about the sports cars under the nissan name they dont know what there doing the gt-r is aload of manufactor claim nonsense and the 350z,370z is just trying to copy the audi tt.
Acura is a really good luxury brand of honda their is one fabulous car they made the NSX.
sorry but Acura is not really a good luxury brand.... lexus ,and Inifiniti are by far a better luxury brand. i own a lexus 07 gx470 and i would not downgrade to a Acura.
hey honda is really really good ok i love honda and dont you go ripping off the civic si that is what i call a cool car that's better than anything you drive.
The m3 is so much more smoother in the corners i doubt the IS-F could stick to an m3 on any wind road.The problem with the IS-F is that all the power and torque is in the high revs and it just doesnt change directions quik enough the IS-F s handaling is practicly a joke it just seems slopey and doesnt stay on the quickest direction through trickey corners it just doesnt feel like a proper drivers car.
I have a job bud. And I'm only 27, so I have a lot of time to make money.
You're one of those mullet wearing, pot bellied douchbags aren't you? I find it hard to believe that you work for the government, even if it was under the Bush Administration.
What's your REAL job? Milking cows? Tornado chasing? Or do you ride the mechanical bull at some greasy spoon while kids throw pennies at you?
I like all three of them and I would find it hard to pick one, despite the performance differences. It's not like I would push them to the limit everyday or even have the opportunity to do so, without worrying about losing my license! : )
well unless your gay, u probably don't want a converitable. and if you look at Audi's site, 320 hp? I don't think you know, but the RS4 did have 420. How about you?
1. S4 is NOT a convertible, wth are you talking about.
2. New S4 has got 333 bhp.
3. RS4 is no longer in production and it didn't handle well.
4. This new S4 has got much better weight distribution, the engine is behind the frong axel and it's smaller and lighter. It's got new electronic sport differentials that make it handle like no Audi before.
5. If new RS4 is based on that, it'll be perfect but for now S4 is the car of choice.
Because that AWD is made for safety rather then dynamic driving so it tends to understeer a lot. The engine is mounted in front of the front axel and it's a heavy 4.2 litre so that's not a good thing.
New S4 has AWD system that's also very safe but it turns the car into powersliding monster with a press of a button.
Is that all you care about is handling? and Handling should be judged on each person's driving techniques, because you like to power slide, doesn't mean shit to person who might want to drag race it, where horsepower would mean something
yet, it will also understeer everysingle time. I mean, this dude didn't even get any where near sideways as most other test driver did. (AMG and M too) Audi has always been know to understeer and boring to drive. Sure it has the AWD for slippery condition. I highly doubt it would be even close to the IS-F performance. Maybe in the next RS4 but who knows..they might twin charge the V6 then.
Oh? Well, will just have to wait until it arrives at the dealership to test drive one. However, given it's numbers I still have doubts that it will be up to par with M, AMG as well as the F. Maybe in the new and improved RS4 down the road?
You can't change its behaviour with a press of a button to make it either :
1. understeer through corners
2. behave neutrally
3. oversteer
And I don't think it's supposed to compete with AMG and M badges. It's supposed to take on Mitsubishi EVO X. At similar price, it offers comparable driving performance with a lot more luxury and comfort.
No word on the new RS4 yet but the old one behaves horribly through corners.
Hey its Fat Stig!
espjuan 4 days ago
i'd take the ISF the Merc & Bimmer because 1.where the hell am i going to find a race track?.. 2.I'm not going to be doing any top speed runs (i prefer to slide :D).. 3.it looks better.. 4. i'm sure its more luxurious 5. its cheaper.. 6. i'm a die hard fan of Japanese cars ;)
zlyable 3 weeks ago
yucks!!! beemer n benz is still good not for japanese car :)
raihancham 2 months ago
lol narrator so much to talk about on benz and bmw....so quiet on lexus
Frickitt 3 months ago
So who won?
vili567 3 months ago
Would anyone here spend USD 60k for a roller coaster ride they have to take to the shop after 1 month? If i am paying that kind of money i expect something that lasts
MrKbuland 4 months ago
This guy is knocking the car for the drivers short comings. WTF? "hit the rev limiter." So upshift idiot.
iamscoutstfu 5 months ago
@RequestDaLyrics I'm not sure, whichever one is on the online one.
DangerFeder 6 months ago
im sure that anyone who can afford any of these cars wouldnt care about reliability..
shobin05 7 months ago
Manual is always better than automatic ...... If u have a sports car with automatic transmission do ur self a favor and don't post ur opinion here.....
MrColincas 8 months ago
@MrColincas Says the person who probably doesn't even own a sports car.
n00g7 2 days ago
With the sport button on on the ISF is just magnificent, it makes the transmission more hyper and the downshift revs at an high pitch just like the LFA.
andreakatickles1 9 months ago
all ya faggets saying bmw is better than japanese cars find me a Bad Money Wasted (BMW) that is better than the LFA or the GT-R>>???
ztiteoz 9 months ago
@ztiteoz 2011 BMW M3 GT. Came second in the 2011 Nurburgring 24 Hour Race.
200208195 2 months ago
That ISF is sexy and fast, fuck that fat pussy for saying it's doesn't turn like the m3. Benz and BMW are worried and nervous when it comes to Lexus
andreakatickles1 9 months ago
@andreakatickles1 these are experts how the fuck would you know? its not like youve driven one...DUMBASS..even the japanese say that the M3 is still better than the ISF...as far as saloons go..germans kick ass..
shobin05 7 months ago
I owned a used e90 m before my ~410 awhp evo x; and all I can say is that the m sucked more in every single way other than luxury, comfort, and looks
Sadfhorde 11 months ago
1.german
2.Japanese
3.American
dieselrubicon 1 year ago
I think the 8 speed is good because most buyers will be using it for city driving so its good for it economy wise although it may not be that good for racing
skyfaze 1 year ago
Japanese!!! <3
Blueeye900 1 year ago
@2:43 NOOOOO! I dont love the sound of "of that V8" because I cant hear it to love it. All I hear is that music.
joseabreu00 1 year ago
Yea, the IS models look pretty sleek. I am a BMW owner, but if you are only talking about exterior, I think all these three cars are fantastic. And Lexus does have a comfortable ride. So interior wise, I think BMW should take something from the other two. I am not saying BMW's interior is not refined, but maybe just needs something extra. Then it comes down to reliability, I know Japanese cars are good in this field, but all BMW owners have a 4-year BMW assist, even if anything happens.
1006Will 1 year ago
@1006Will And then it comes down to performance, how do you judge performance besides arbitrarily reading HP and Torque numbers off the paper? You take it on the track and test drive the cars by a professional racer. Whichever is the fastest, has the best performance as not all roads in real life are straight, so 0-60 drag race doesn't really mean too much unless you are constantly dragracing someone..And after you watched the second video, the result should be clear.
1006Will 1 year ago
@1006Will BTW, i am waiting to see the how the new IPL stands up against these three cars.
1006Will 1 year ago
Blah blah blah japan cars suxx anyway :D
n8neiTen8n 1 year ago
4 door hot-rod hahaha not even close to BMW or Mercedes ;]
n8neiTen8n 1 year ago
all ill say is that this is first of the lexus F division so give it a break.. they will change how the car drives. i dont think that first m3 was as good as the first isf.
MrThug4Life1 1 year ago
Lexus is das best! Luxurious, quality, refinement and beautiful! Give me a German car that's better than Lexus LFA!
airtouch01 1 year ago
I from Germany but i love Lexus !!
Fuck of Mercedes and BMW !!
RemoAmbasador 1 year ago
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RAK562 1 year ago
@RemoAmbasador Cause you're a STUPID german. Japanese only know how to build a grocery getter car , not a performance sports car like a BMW M3 or Porsche .
RAK562 1 year ago
LEXUS SUCKZZZ
GERMAN 4 EVER
dieselrubicon 1 year ago
whats a LEXUS?
TheDJDESI 1 year ago
amg rules
28exe 1 year ago
nurburgring times
c63 8:02
ISF:8:03
M3:8:05
Miike92 1 year ago
throw a cts-v in there just for fun and see what we get.
darrylistheman 1 year ago
I don't think they are all much different accept ISF and AMG has too much body fat! If I'm going to shell the money for, AMG interior would win, but BMW would win all around. Though I'm a Lexus fan boy. But, for the price to what you get competition, I might just go for ISF!
krittmasta 1 year ago
Where did you get that rating?
kc15c20 1 year ago
lexus is for gays. end of discussion.
davidhindu 1 year ago
1. BMW!
2.Mercedes (more luxury then peformance)
3. Lexus
Oscar1888d 2 years ago
so basicly....
its not more agile then the M3 and its not faster then the Merc....
its more expensive then both of the other 2...
so whats the point????
Its for fukin tools thats who its for, ones who know nothing of performance and qaulity....
German-Engineering just pwned lexus...
sorry...
Epic win...
Howie262 2 years ago
Mercedes is faster not quicker but more luxurios than M3. The lexus does not stand a chance.
And anywans when are u gonna find urself on the track? AMG
stevomwa 2 years ago
@Gonzalor29 total agree!
@inallthatyouare....wtf ..who said that a 8 speed is not sport aand because of what??
sinzeb 2 years ago
well tuned m3 beat tuned c63 from roll race and from start just check :) especialy when both cars have tuned exhaust c63 pushes more power but shifting is so much faster on bmw :) for me bmw better :) for the performance and for the looks
dartasweideris 2 years ago
Reliability scale.
1.Japanese
2.European
3.American
BMW may not have the reputation for reliability like Toyota (Lexus), but looks better, performs better, and will last longer than any american rival.
inallthatyouare 2 years ago 20
Dont be so sure, BMW 3 series had won the reliability survey in the UK
weed46 2 years ago
@weed46 ,, not my 3 series and the other 3 series my friends ever owned. They all have electrical problems and my buddys E46 M3 just busted his Vanos, not cheap and not a happy camper.
Rastamut 1 year ago
@Rastamut I know, I recently bought a e36 M3 3.0 instead of the 3.2 becase the 3.2 has a lot of trouble with vanos.
But, 3 series had won the reliability survey, but as you should know, newer cars aren't as reliable as the older ones in my opinion
weed46 1 year ago
@inallthatyouare
..that reliabilty score is dated...
BMW for one is much more reliable..
8motion 2 years ago
@inallthatyouare yeaaahhh maaannn. i go german because they reliable enouggh to own, no need to go for less like a lexus lol. Why buy from a company that has no performance reputation.
u buy America - easy and cheap to fix, nice looks and good cars and a long history
u buy european- history, performance, looks, luxury, exoensive to fix, but cheap enough expenses to own
u buy japanese- WHY??
TheDJDESI 1 year ago
@TheDJDESI obviously u have never owned a BMW or MB. or u have never owned anything else other then BMW or MB! if u had u would know BMW and MB are pretty much trash as far as reliability goes. they are only good for show-off and thats one of the reasons y i can buy a used S600 ($150,000 msrp) or a 7-series for less then 30 grand w/ less then 30K miles on it
ricksmiths10 1 year ago
@ricksmiths10 there's a hell of a lot more million mile german cars than there are japanese...
attananightshadow 1 year ago
@attananightshadow first of all pretty much every year for every European car sold 5 Japanese cars were sold in the US like in 2009 554,148 euro cars were sold compared to 2,861,793 Japanese cars so what ur saying is practically impossible even if a European car lasted three times as long as a Japanese car which is not true.....past has shown that Japanese cars r the longest lasting cars! so u obviously dont know shit about cars so im not even gonna waste my time arguing with ur dumbass
ricksmiths10 1 year ago
@ricksmiths10 Maybe. While I do see 12 year old Japanese cars as well as German (since I don't see any British cars) on the road, I don't seem to see many more of the Japanese cars than German ones and yet those cars, like your figures, were produced in a higher quantity, at least in Los Angeles. I mean everywhere I drive I ALWAYS see MBs and BMWs, the cheaper ones which don't as many 'stuff' that could cause unreliability.
unknownunknowns 1 year ago
@unknownunknowns its the same in every big city. its coz people wanna look like they r somewhat "rich" so they tend to buy a 3-5 year old BMW or MB since they are sold cheap as hell compared to a 3-5 year old Acura or lexus! u can go on autotraders and see for urself what kind of used BMW's and MB's u can get for $30 - $20,000 compared to a lexus or acura. and i have alot of people in my family and friend circle who own a BMW and i kno for a fact how unreliable they can be.
ricksmiths10 1 year ago
@ricksmiths10 If you want to have the best performance, quality, looking, and technology you have to pay extra, caus lexus (toyota) will give some things for free, but the quality of these extras will be really poor.
n8neiTen8n 1 year ago
@n8neiTen8n go ahead tell me what kind of best performance, quality, looks, and technology u get on bimmers that are worth more.....and don't try to bs me as I have driven a lot of bmws and I know a lot of BMW owners
ricksmiths10 1 year ago
@ricksmiths10 Gearbox, suspension, tracksion, high rpm - which is very sport :) interior - original by BMW (lexus is trying to copy BMW's design), best materials and detail, but lexus is JUST a toyota for suckers - people spending are buying toyota paying like for BMW, Mercedes or Audi, but they get ONLY toyota.
n8neiTen8n 1 year ago
@n8neiTen8n ok first of all learn how to make sense with ur comments....and does BMW really have the best gearbox...nope!....i gonna take it by tracksion u mean G-pad so lets talk about that....M3 sedan and ISF both have the same Grip (.93).....but somehow the 370Z has higher grip pad compared to 135i or Z4 so i gonna say u really dont have to pay more to get more.....and high RPMs dont mean shit....the S2000 reved all the way upto 9000 so does it make it any faster...nope!............
ricksmiths10 1 year ago
@n8neiTen8n best materials in the BMW huh?........u can get a $3500 mark levinson audio system in lexus compared to a $800 harman kardon logic 7 system in the bimmer........and i have been in a 2010 5-series the leather on the LS460 is way more softer and comfortable compared to that in the 5-series.....and u just proved u dont know shit about lexus by saying "lexus is just a toyota for sucker" u made it quite obvious that u have never actually driven a lexus or been in one!
ricksmiths10 1 year ago
@inallthatyouare who give a fuck about Reliability scale,you buy a car to drive and have fun with it not think about resale value. If you care resale value go buy bond.
RAK562 1 year ago
@inallthatyouare True, but remember that BMW produces the most advanced cars in the world, so there are many things to break, and that means the toyota (lexus) build really technological-poor cars.
n8neiTen8n 1 year ago
@inallthatyouare damn wat is up wiht canadians being jealous of america?
windflasher0 10 months ago
@inallthatyouare This is complete bullshit. I defy you to name one BMW v8 that is as reliable as the chevy LSx motors. My coworker daily drives a 98 corvette with no engine rebuilds and consistent 30mpg on the highway. show me just one BMW v8 that can do that, or better yet, do that 12 years ago.
BlueAvenue22 10 months ago
@inallthatyouare
Check your statistics again. BMW, Mercedes, and Audi are the least reliable cars, so here's the real scoop on reliability:
1. Japanese
2. American
3. European
Autoshopwing 7 months ago
@Autoshopwing Consumer reports: 1. Honda 2.Subaru 3. Toyota 4. Volvo 5. FORD 6.Hyundai 7. Mazda 8. Nissan 9. Volkswagen 10. Mercedes 11. Bmw 12. GM 13. Chrysler.
Ford is very good for US reliability, Chrysler and GM suck, but are improving.
IMO Bmw is getting worse, Mercedes is getting better.
DangerFeder 6 months ago
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@inallthatyouare Lol WTF are you talking about ? "but looks better, performs better, and will last longer than any american rival."? WHAT american rival? I can't tink of a single American Super-sedan...leterially not a one.
iamscoutstfu 7 months ago
@inallthatyouare have you ever heard of mercedes benz...
TheDynoSoar 5 months ago
@inallthatyouare Actually The Reliability Scale is.......
1.Japanese
2.American
3.European
American cars due to thier simplicity make them more reliable and eaisier to service than European cars. European cars like BMW, Audi, Ferrari, Lamborghini, and Porsche are some of the most unreliable cars around and that is due to there complicity and overengineering. They do have more problems than american cars and that's a Fact. In the end I would take the Lexus or the Merc. I hate BMW's.
Jared1452 5 months ago
@Jared1452 Check JD powers bro before you talk out you're ass....
Porsche has legendary reliability, and in terms of high performance super cars......
it really doesnt get more simple then a GT3 flat 6 manual putting out huge performance numbers......
And Mercedes has 5 star build reliability on JD powers, the highest in European cars in its class...
As example
-BMW 3 stars
-toyota 3 stars
-chevy 2 stars
you must have a tinny wiener dude.....
Howie262 3 months ago
The new 2010 S4 sedan with DSG kill the IS-F, that's funny.
maxou5757 2 years ago
BMW has been making sport sedans for years so im not surprised that its the fastest, mercedes(my fav) is still pretty new to the sport sedans but i give props too Lexus/Toyota for making its first sporty car since wat?? the Supra?? its very out of character for Lexus and i hope they continue to update this car cause its quite nice but for now il keep the C63 ( I hate most bmw's...m engines are weak
FerrarisRock 2 years ago 5
I don't think it's boring and ugly. The engine leaves a little to be desired but it's a great car. As far as faster around the track..... The difference between the F and M3 is all in the driver. Most professional drivers are just very used to the M dynamics (which are great btw) and anything different and outside their comfort zone, especially when competing in the same market, is typically not liked on the first go-around. There's still room for improvement from Lexus, but it's great.
cfiber 2 years ago
the Fat glove short sleave driver..just pissed me off.. and all those sensor for slip etc...all there missing is a sensor for the fat shit driving the car...the car would shut off and drop him off at the nearest fast food joint..pigs
8motion 2 years ago
F**K You eurosport2006 LEXUS/TOYOTA IS BETTER THAN THE GERMAN SH*T YOU DRIVE
JAPANTUNER100 2 years ago 2
i like the lexus even though its not the fastest its the funest. And its a toyota so its kind of like a tuner so its also an easy car to tune
roadtorupert 2 years ago
The car is not easy to tune. It has an extremely high compression ratio, and is very edgy as it stands. The ECU's are next to impossible to unlock as well which means no one has come out with updates for it. Exhaust and intakes don't seem to provide much in the way of extra power. There is a turbo kit for it though, but they let the stock ECU compensate for the boost.
cfiber 2 years ago
so which one would you guys go for out of the three?
yamaguchiyo 2 years ago
MY GOD THE BMW M3 is a killer. The sedan even owns the CLK 63 AMG Black Series on Top Gears test track! HOLY SHIT!
InfidelityMystiK 2 years ago 3
i know ive seen that fool, hes a lucky bastard. thats whats so great about the is f, it is so easy to tune cause its a toyota.
round4a 2 years ago
is f is not super or turbo charged or anything. imagine that shit if it was
round4a 2 years ago 2
Look up the video
ISF Twin Turbo
GNARLY the guys username is iwillownu
kushnugz 2 years ago
Just give lexus more time to make a performance car that will beat many others. This is it's first. BMW has been making them for years. Same with mercedes. I'd say the IS-F is pretty damn good. Also check out the lexus LF-A. That beats any BMW. It comes out in 2010.
gweeemonster 2 years ago
@gweeemonster You can't compare LFA with any BMW. LFA is a $400k super car, but BMW doesn't have any super cars.
realchimera 3 months ago
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No, in one test called shootout is-f vs. rs4 or something is-f won. And top gear is crap always wins germans cars because that fat guy don't like Japanese cars
Attesa45 2 years ago
So? But if you drive in track all day long? Who gonna win then? Bmw? No! Benz? No! Is-F? Yes!
Attesa45 2 years ago
So, Germany crap not imported. Go study geography.
Attesa45 2 years ago
the fact is lexus is far more reliable the the other 2 german cars
torquemonsterr 2 years ago 2
Exactly. Oh wait, I saw recently Lexus recalled over 500K of their current GS models. No 5-Series has been recalled by those numbers, neither E-Class or Audi A6. Its ok cause Lexus recalled one of those small defects that could catch the car on fire. The fact is that Lexus is a wanna be Mercedes, BMW and Audi. Fact is simple. German cars out sell, out perform, out style, out value your Japanesse shit. Remember that the IS-F has a higher MSPR too vs the M3. Which the M3 smashed the shit out of.
EuroSport2006 2 years ago
How's the reliability on those german cars though? Not so great.
gweeemonster 2 years ago 2
Where's the proof of that? In the last JD Power Survey, Mercedes did very well, for instance. In the case of the C63, there aren't any specific reports, but the engineers restrained the engine power to guarantee absolute reliability; they say that they could easily have unleashed more power, but they wanted to make absolutely sure it won't go wrong...I'd call that very good reliability
0cnpgs0 2 years ago
you gonna get banned soon...
noobiecheez 2 years ago
you probably masturbate to the m3
round4a 2 years ago 2
are you kidding? haha Lexus is the most reliable of all the luxury brands. BMW has recalls left and right all the time. Heck, the 5 series had a recall few years ago because the automatic transmission would fail in park and the car would roll down a hill. Ouch!
normalais 2 years ago 2
I have no problems with mine..and the lexus..has had issues. I thought the same about lexus..but they have issues and more so then the bmw..recently..so..do you choose everything you buy based on reliablity..so I guess you got platic everything and really nice teflon suits.. they must last long but are no fun
8motion 2 years ago
lexus IS-F is no fun?
LOL
whatever you say homer
and lexus is still the most reliable luxo brand
normalais 2 years ago 6
good god you are just spewing filth to try and prove a point that you lost long ago. Lexus reliability is light years beyond BMW. I own an F, an LX570, and previously the wife had an RX400h. NONE of them had a single problem with them. The LX570 is a daily driver, and I split the F with another vehicle. You can' tunderstand reliability until you own one.
cfiber 2 years ago 5
Great...so your happy with your Toyota.
...I guess you would never consider a ferrari or any other product that just did not make the cut on some reliability list..consumer reports.. one thing missing and it understanble that many just don't get it. those who do..do and those who don't...don't.
8motion 2 years ago
Hah, it's not surprising you avoid the subject, which was reliability btw. Don't go spreading lies when it's clearly obvious which brand has superior reliability. We were never talking about what I would, or wouldn't buy so you going there, is just avoiding your own stupidity. I also own a 650+hp Diesel Ford F-250, so I guess that pokes a hole in your comment. BTW, you'd better do your research on the difference between Lexus and Toyota before you go spreading more rumors.
cfiber 2 years ago
Next you have a chance look under the lexus, and see how vulnerable the car is anuwhere outside warm climates..try driving a lexus in very severe winter conditions..no protection and faulty exhaust design...look under the car any German car and then the toyota/lexus..btw same company the toyota brand is actually stronger in some markets and the Lexus who drive goes under Toyota..
8motion 2 years ago
Hahaha again with all the mis-information, wow you're a bright one aren't you? The F in particular is purposely smooth on the bottom side. I haven't seen a BMW do it any better, and I have a BMW lover in the family. In fact, his BMW's have all been in the shop numerous times for engine problems, and the shoddy interiors like to fall apart. So much for your german engineering. Seriously now... you should focus on fact, not rumor. You sound like a pimply 16 year old.
cfiber 2 years ago
You are really exhausting.
8motion 2 years ago
please, just stop farting. your comment is the genuine trademark of hater's dumbness
theannoyingdogpoo 2 years ago
ahhh did i touch your nerve?
Attesa45 2 years ago
Benz and Bmw shitty imports
Attesa45 2 years ago
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Lol,
Lexus looks ugly, like a donkey between stallions with German cars...
Xevisberi 2 years ago
C63 all the way.
wildmandigging 2 years ago
I couldn't agree more.
DaimlerAGbenzPower 2 years ago
Towelman20, are you kidding me, Acura does not outsell Lexus and Infiniti. Where the hell do you get your info? Last i checked, anything that came out Honda/Acura came out ugly. front end ugly, ass end ugly. I don't know if anyone realize but the IS-F was not built to go up against any car, it was built to be driven, read the earlier articles on the IS-F, people have always compared it to the M3.
meng2jzgte 3 years ago 4
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The Acura TL is the best selling luxury car in the usa my mistake about acura out selling lexus and infinti.Acura doess out sell them with one car it called the acura TL as i mentioned above.
Towelman20 2 years ago
Still, Japs can't design worth crap, so they must make it look European to compete visually. BMW and Merc still look better, all other topics aside.
inallthatyouare 2 years ago
Fix the steering, and put some more meat on the rear wheels. Finally, this is a small car with a lot of horsepower. Not an 18 wheeler. It does not need an 8 speed trans. with an inefficient torque converter. Believe me, the paddle shifters are not nearly what they're cracked up to be. Scrap that thing, give me a simple 5 or 6 speed REAL manual, and it might be something to consider.
omniliberation 3 years ago
8 speed = luxury drive...not sport. 5 or 6 spd all the way.
inallthatyouare 2 years ago 13
@inallthatyouare But this car was build to be sport. It's comparison (as japs says... HAHAHAHA) to BMW M and C AMG. Well, lexus can make a cheap cars, but never as good as BMW, Mercedes or Audi.
n8neiTen8n 1 year ago
@inallthatyouare soon 8 speeds will be standard and people will be bitching about 10 speeds. The more gears the better as long as they work well with the engine. Toyota makes the best transmissions in the world.
arnoldt14 10 months ago
@inallthatyouare not nessesarily man, depends on how you set the gear ratios up... 8speed you can have closer grear ratios so you can have faster shifts....
mace2142 9 months ago
@mace2142 Yes. Sequential transmissions that are now very popular and can shift in less than .2 Miliseconds without even removing power from the wheels. If stick shifts were the best for racing why wouldn't F1 and all racecars (except nascar) have them?
DangerFeder 6 months ago
@inallthatyouare LOL That's just wishful thoughts of bimmer fans back two years ago. Because they didn't have 8 speed transmission. Now bimmer is also going after 8 speed
realchimera 3 weeks ago
I have an IS350 (the F wasn't out yet when I got mine) Overall I like the car, but this guy is right on when hes talking about the electric power steering. Its has a very wierd feel to it, with little feedback from the road. Sadly, my Chevy 2500HD pickup has much better road feel, and is easier to figure out what the wheels are doing. This is a problem with most Toyotas I've driven. The steering wheel is so numb that it feels like its not even connected to anything under the hood
omniliberation 3 years ago
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Acura out sells both lexus and infinti and acura looks alot nicer than infintite and lexus.
Towelman20 3 years ago
LOL? really? you like that new transformer you call a car? alright, whatever floats your boat... LOL
Squirrelz 3 years ago
The US made TL is a megatron RL is good but missing power TSX should be an accord. They need to sack the marketing manager
TangoR34 3 years ago
wow ur really clueless arent u?
maplemanY2J 3 years ago
No surprises there. M3 r*ped the IS-F and C63 around a race track by more than 5 seconds.
Consistent with the 20 something comparisons I have seen, M3 consistently r*pes these cars on every track test.
SpeedKlz 3 years ago
oh well, just need bit mod on chassis and sus. It will take few minor changes. Engine is ok. Just follow same path as EVO. then beat Merc and Bmer.
Gosling3 3 years ago
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Amazing. The only way a Jap could beat a German car is built it cheep and mod the crap out of it. So what???The Japs can't build a car upto par with it's competition off the production line???
inallthatyouare 2 years ago
keep your panties on. this is Lexus' first real try into this category. They have plenty of improvement that can be made. If they are able to be compared with these other brands that have years in this category, imagine if they were to fix all these little things they would have an awesome car!
Gonzalor29 2 years ago 14
No the IS-f lost to the m3 by more like 4secs.
Towelman20 3 years ago
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I am not to sur about that i mean the lexus IS-f is a horible failure and lexus is just a tryhard luxury brand of toyota.
Inifiniti is another failure nissan is trying to hard with Inifinti and embaressly failing evry time and about the sports cars under the nissan name they dont know what there doing the gt-r is aload of manufactor claim nonsense and the 350z,370z is just trying to copy the audi tt.
Acura is a really good luxury brand of honda their is one fabulous car they made the NSX.
Towelman20 3 years ago
sorry but Acura is not really a good luxury brand.... lexus ,and Inifiniti are by far a better luxury brand. i own a lexus 07 gx470 and i would not downgrade to a Acura.
kidracerx 3 years ago 4
LMAO
Acura and Honda?? are you serious?
The ONLY "performance" car they even offer is a weak CIVIC Si...come one..lmao
Dont even COMPARE HONDA/ACURA to TOYOTA/LEXUS or even INFINITI/NISSAN.
Go race your Si or your TL and leave the big boys to play....call me when honda does not make a FWD rice box.
Toyota4Life 2 years ago
hey honda is really really good ok i love honda and dont you go ripping off the civic si that is what i call a cool car that's better than anything you drive.
Towelman20 2 years ago
Japan can't compete when it comes to performance cars. They make great economy cars, but Germany rules when it comes to performance and quality.
number1Schumacherfan 3 years ago
Toyota supra, nissan GTR?
alphamarquis 3 years ago
The m3 is so much more smoother in the corners i doubt the IS-F could stick to an m3 on any wind road.The problem with the IS-F is that all the power and torque is in the high revs and it just doesnt change directions quik enough the IS-F s handaling is practicly a joke it just seems slopey and doesnt stay on the quickest direction through trickey corners it just doesnt feel like a proper drivers car.
Towelman20 3 years ago
bullshit! the isf kept up with the m3, in fact it only lost to the isf by .3 of a second you stupid filthy shit!
elmelllo 3 years ago
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toyota lexus japan car you bullshit idiot stupid
ustaiwan01 3 years ago
i love how lexus rapes german cars for fun! TOYOTA!!!!!!!!!!
c3dwin5412 3 years ago
rapes? it just lost yet ANOTHER comparison....
8MunchenBayern8 3 years ago
Does "comparison? means nothing.
These are people just like everyone else and not everything they say is what other people think.
Anyone can get behinde these cars and "talk"
Toyota4Life 2 years ago
no recap? wtf? Who posted best times?
hifivnmutha 3 years ago 2
Wow. Your video is really clear. Whenever I upload videos onto youtube, it never comes out that clear. What did you do differently?
Chick6517 3 years ago
As for these magnificent machines. I'd pick the M3....sexy refined and practical. A typical BMW. The lexus is nice too tho.
cheers.
Six4a9 3 years ago
To bad you will never none of these hunks of shit! Get up and get a job fool. Government is NOT the answer!
kansaskid6969 3 years ago
I have a job bud. And I'm only 27, so I have a lot of time to make money.
You're one of those mullet wearing, pot bellied douchbags aren't you? I find it hard to believe that you work for the government, even if it was under the Bush Administration.
What's your REAL job? Milking cows? Tornado chasing? Or do you ride the mechanical bull at some greasy spoon while kids throw pennies at you?
Six4a9 3 years ago 4
I like all three of them and I would find it hard to pick one, despite the performance differences. It's not like I would push them to the limit everyday or even have the opportunity to do so, without worrying about losing my license! : )
Quinn5 3 years ago
Why wasn't the Audi RS4 in this comparison?
Rutteman 3 years ago
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It's no longer in production.
sspope 3 years ago
i know right. But the RS4 isnt made anymore, hopefully a new design maybe?
alex49698 3 years ago
Nice!! This car looks sooooo nice in person!
Lemac87 3 years ago
uh poor audi. i hope they come back out with the RS4 :(
alex49698 3 years ago
The new S4 - best handling Audi, much better than old RS4.
sspope 3 years ago
no its not
alex49698 3 years ago
Have you got any arguments?
sspope 3 years ago
well unless your gay, u probably don't want a converitable. and if you look at Audi's site, 320 hp? I don't think you know, but the RS4 did have 420. How about you?
alex49698 3 years ago
1. S4 is NOT a convertible, wth are you talking about.
2. New S4 has got 333 bhp.
3. RS4 is no longer in production and it didn't handle well.
4. This new S4 has got much better weight distribution, the engine is behind the frong axel and it's smaller and lighter. It's got new electronic sport differentials that make it handle like no Audi before.
5. If new RS4 is based on that, it'll be perfect but for now S4 is the car of choice.
sspope 3 years ago
ha, ok i'm sorry. it has 333, wow, well that has so much on 420. you have everyone convinced.
No shit its not in production, but that doesnt make it better then the RS4.
The RS4 had 50:50 weight distrubtion.
How could you say it didnt handle as well ,are you kidding me, it has AWD and it was an audi.
alex49698 3 years ago
Because that AWD is made for safety rather then dynamic driving so it tends to understeer a lot. The engine is mounted in front of the front axel and it's a heavy 4.2 litre so that's not a good thing.
New S4 has AWD system that's also very safe but it turns the car into powersliding monster with a press of a button.
sspope 3 years ago 2
Is that all you care about is handling? and Handling should be judged on each person's driving techniques, because you like to power slide, doesn't mean shit to person who might want to drag race it, where horsepower would mean something
alex49698 3 years ago
Whether you care about handling or not, new S4 is simply a giant leap forward in terms of handling. But if you want a rocket ship, I understand that.
sspope 3 years ago
im with you, the RS4 was an awesome car
8MunchenBayern8 3 years ago
haha thank you
alex49698 3 years ago
btw. it has 340 horsepower. You dont even know what the car you like has.
alex49698 3 years ago
What the hell? You don't even know what car I'm talking about, wake up!! There's a new S4 2009 model, 2010 in US.
Is horspowers all you care about? What about handling. New S4 will outhandle any other Audi.
sspope 3 years ago
yet, it will also understeer everysingle time. I mean, this dude didn't even get any where near sideways as most other test driver did. (AMG and M too) Audi has always been know to understeer and boring to drive. Sure it has the AWD for slippery condition. I highly doubt it would be even close to the IS-F performance. Maybe in the next RS4 but who knows..they might twin charge the V6 then.
koukiR32 3 years ago
New S4 has got brand new sport differential unique to this model. Just go try it. In a sport mode, it just doesn't understeer anymore.
sspope 3 years ago
Oh? Well, will just have to wait until it arrives at the dealership to test drive one. However, given it's numbers I still have doubts that it will be up to par with M, AMG as well as the F. Maybe in the new and improved RS4 down the road?
koukiR32 3 years ago
You can't change its behaviour with a press of a button to make it either :
1. understeer through corners
2. behave neutrally
3. oversteer
And I don't think it's supposed to compete with AMG and M badges. It's supposed to take on Mitsubishi EVO X. At similar price, it offers comparable driving performance with a lot more luxury and comfort.
No word on the new RS4 yet but the old one behaves horribly through corners.
sspope 3 years ago