Perfect Pitch Supercourse - Myth or Reality

[burger1113]

hey it's funny because I only have relative pitch but I knew that note was at least a whole step below C that I sorta remembered lol well and then I checked on my guitar of course...

[scottydscottd]

Bb :]

[roge69charger]

I use to play guitar by ear many yrs ago, And, I guess I developed a good sense of relative pitch.

When they didn't have electronic tuning devices, Back then I would remember the Guitars pitch in A, 440, Most of the time I get it pretty close and go from there.

But, Achieving Perfect Pitch, Even When I studied the Lucas burge Course, "Boring" I got it, But, Didn't, When I'd hear an Orchestra, It's difficult.

A Person with the natural ablility doesn't have to study at all perfect pitch.

[hackingtime88]

was it a b flat?

[alexmcginness]

another can u say another Perfect pitch "con job" Folks, perfect pitch is something you are"born with" 5 year old kids that have PP did not "develop it" They were born with the ability. Any PP course that says you can "develop" this are outright scams. Be wise and save your money...or...hey give it to me, and Ill show you everything Burge (the con man ) says about PP in less than 5 minutes! You still wont be able to "develop" PP but hey...Ill have your money:-)

[bronzevillenews]

@alexmcginness  Do you read music?

[alexmcginness]

@bronzevillenews no i dont...what does that have to do with PP????

[bronzevillenews]

@alexmcginness  Do you play by ear?

[alexmcginness]

@bronzevillenews yes....by "relative pitch" comparing notes to each other like most players do. People have this idea that identifying pitches is perfect pitch...its not. Identifying "frequencies" by ear is. Its not "is that an F# or Eb, but is that a sharp or flat note and by how much. Motzart at the age of 4 could tell if one instrument was a 1/4 semitone sharp or flat from another instrument. He did not "develop" this ability, he was born with it.

[bronzevillenews]

@alexmcginness I think you're being a bit too technical. As far as music is concerned and being a musician, I am mostly concerned with identifying notes, i.e. pitches not frequencies (as most musicians speak in pitch). Electronic keyboards are pretty accurate with frequencies. I'm more concerned with pitch. You can develop and get better with what you want to just as you learned how to interpret sound into speach as a child. Have you even studied an ear course?

[alexmcginness]

@bronzevillenews Ive had the Burge course since the 80's...guess what....no perfect pitch. Everyone Ive talked to thats done that course has the same results.....no perfect pitch....its a con.

[bronzevillenews]

@alexmcginness Sorry to hear of your bad experience. I have studied also, It has helped me to identify keys songs are in (useful when playing behind keyboard instrument), or waking up the ear for transcription. I read music as well as play by ear, and I play with many musicians who only play by ear and can't read. Some musicians didn't have money to learn to read, but were forced to develop their ears in the same way someone that goes blind is forced to learn to live through their ears.

[alexmcginness]

@bronzevillenews you still dont get the difference. Those musicians that "learned" to play by ear developed their "relative" pitch, not "absolute" pitch. Motzart and others like him did not "develop" that ability. They did not have a "degree" of perfect pitch...they were "born" with it. You can not"develop" it no matter what these con men say. Blind people that learned to live thru their ears dont "develop PP" its somethin youre born with.

[bronzevillenews]

@alexmcginness I'm sorry, but I strongly disagree with you. Those musicians and I include myself can tell you what note you are playing. It does help if you start early though. To be able to pick out what key a song is in is one form of absolute pitch. There are various degrees of absolute pitch. I'm only telling you my experience. I believe you develop or become better with practice with whatever you want to be better in. It may not be perfect but you can always improve.

[alexmcginness]

@bronzevillenews There are no "forms" of absolute pitch! You have it or you dont. You have bought into this "con" started by the huckster DL Burge.

[bronzevillenews]

@alexmcginness I know many musicians including myself who disagree with you.

[alexmcginness]

@bronzevillenews those people who have "true"absolute pitch can tell by ear if a note is in tune or out by ear. Motzart could tell that one of his violins was a quarter of a semi tone different than his other, by ear, at the age of 4. He did not "develop"this. You dont "develop"PP you have it or you dont.

[bronzevillenews]

@alexmcginness time was spent developing it. At a younger age your mind is more open and at 3 and 4 your mind like a sponge. Mozart's father, Leopold Mozart was a conductor, taught music and even wrote a violin textbook. He was always around music. Mozart wanted to play as well, he spent a lot of time pecking at the piano until his father gave him lessons at around 5. He spent time pecking the piano developing it at 3 and 4, he didn't just come out of the womb and know it.

[alexmcginness]

@bronzevillenews you do not develop it!!! You have it or you dont. Look, these courses are all bogus. Want proof? Where are the thousands of people that have developed PP from these courses? Nowhere, thats where.

[bronzevillenews]

@alexmcginness Yes you can develop it !!!

[alexmcginness]

@bronzevillenews show me the thousands of people that have developed it then. Where are the proud posts on youtube from these thousands of Burge grads that now have this "born with "ability?...Nowhere..thats where. Show me the people......until then...you and others like you are being coned. I feel sorry for you.

[alexmcginness]

@bronzevillenews You only develop relative pitch. These people that pick out what key a song is in have over time thru playing music, developed a memory of what key other songs are in and when they hear another tune, they "compare" in their heads one to the other. Small kids born with absolute pitch dont need to have a memory of cataloged music in their head to go "Mommy the vacume cleaner is a bee!!!!" and then the kid goes over to the piano and hits the B note to show her.

[bronzevillenews]

@alexmcginness Check out definition of Absolute Pitch online, Wikipedia. This is NOT how I tell what key a song is in. I do not relate it to keys of other songs. I do hum it in my head and I'm pretty good at telling you what key the song is in. I did work on my ear through the years though. I've been playing for over 25 years. After some time your ear does improve if you stick with it.