What it does not mean is that God died on the cross. Christ died as a Man being always One with God in Spirit. The Christ died physically as a Man. But many Christions say God died on the cross , impossible. Jesus Diety never died andwas always alive Spirit connected to the Father and Spirit
It's great how he can layout where the New Age/Occult beliefs steam from. I think if people could connect the dots and open their eyes, more would come to Jesus. And he is talking about pride being evil. We should have worth in Jesus. After I found my worth in him, I actually realized how precious I truly am and as a result starting to accept my image. That is true esteem...esteem from the Father, not from one's self. Finding worth in the Father (for I am lacking).
You say we don't have an aspect of divinity in us but i'm not sure about this because we have an essence of God in that we're all made in the image of God and have huge potential, not to be God but to do great things, Jesus says (John 14:12) that we will do greater things than Him, through Him. But yea, agree it's about humility, good work
Pride can be destructive but self esteem is important to have even though at its core it is a type of pride self esteem is what keeps people from hating God and prevents some suicides if one were to have no self esteem living would mean nothing this life is a test we are made in God's image so that we may be able to follow after his son and to truly call ourselves the children of God no self esteem no belief in a greater purpose than the depression you'd feel
"I like how Mark is teaching people basic systematic theology to his congregations. So many churches lack this very crucial aspect of spiritual formation"
I don't agree with Mark's theology, but I definitely agree. He has a great church and his sermons are excellent and honest.
wow.... what a bunch of.... idiocy....People believing in a god just as an idea is sad.. but when people like this guy start spouting extreme idiocy and others actually think he is serious.. its so heartbreakingly sad. :(
I like how Mark is teaching people basic systematic theology to his congregations. So many churches lack this very crucial aspect of spiritual formation
Jesus Christ did not become God through self realization, He is God. He Created EVERYTHING. He existed before time and space and he Laid aside His Glory to become a man, He became a willing sacrifice for all those who would accept God's gift of eternal life. All men, including you and I are sinners from birth, and in need of a Savior, We are not nor will we ever be Gods. our hearts are wicked and we have no hope of heaven apart from the blood Of Jesus Christ, Who paid our sin debt on the cross.
And every claim he ever made was confirmed by the fact that he was resurrected three days after his death.... That's the gospel
"And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in HIS SON.
He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God HAS NOT LIFE.
These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God."
and alas im not here to argue just maybe link my upcoming videos pertaining to deity of christ and the inner self within each human .. the inner self jesus taught.. he was christ.. we can all be as christ we can be christed we can be like krishna like the buddha.. but if you have pride and are unable to see past your dogma.. but this is all in vein because true peace of mind comes in knowing and trusting yourself, not needing reassurance by arguing points. I hope everyone knows this is friendly
You may think you can be as Christ, but Jesus himself said That HE was The WAY The TRUTH and the LIFE,and you will not come to the Father EXCEPT THROUGH HIM... Jesus also said that ALL who EVER came before him are thieves and robbers, (Krishna , Buddha?) You can delude yourself into thinking you can become a god, yet you accuse me of pride? You quote one text from the entire bible to prove your point, and accuse me of not knowing my Bible, that I was brought up on since my youth?...strange..
ohh and damien8 you should be better versed and understand the context in which jesus adds onto the verse.. You are gods.. because he is quoting Psalms 82:6 in which it blatently says.. Ye are Gods Children of the most high.. oh and perhps read in the new testament john chap10 vers22 -39 ... Im not trying to be an asshole but I shouldn't be able to know your holy text better then you if I am just some foolish dude trying to start arguments.. i just want to shed some light on lies..
You claim to be the redeemed with such an arrogant pride. If you would humble yourself and read what I am saying you would realize that I am speaking of a truth far greater then dogma and creed and religious thought. Jesus despised the religious teachers of the day because they too were caught up in the religious self serving aspects of their faith. Im not here to argue either if you want to continue in your pride that is fine.. after all believing in nonsense keeps you from hell. Joshua lives
Too be born again implies Reincarnation.. The bible doesnt say Jesus Practised yoga specifically... IF u knew what yoga was youd know jesus was a master yogi. Yoga Translated to english means Too Yoke or to come into union with. Jesus was in complete union spiritually and physically. He denied his sensual urges HE WAS A YOGI BY DEFINITION.. meditation is a state wherin ur mind s relaxed and free of the egoic voice in the head.. The satan.. meditating is realizing u have power over the voices.
the bible does not say Jesus practiced yoga AT ALL, yoga , has nothing to do with Christianity...Jesus Condemned using Vein repetitious prayers as in mantras. He Never promoted meditation, but he taught us to PRAY. Denying sexual urges does not make you a yogi... It for a christian is a command of God. I am celibate.... does that make me a yogi? you have little to stand on here...
Also the one stack verse you quote, you fail to quote as a whole
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"I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. But ye shall- DIE LIKE MEN-, and fall like one of the princes." psalm 82:6...AND7
This verse is the condemnation of false spiritual leaders, and has nothing to do with man becoming Gods...
Jesus quoted the verse to justify before the Jews in calling himself the son of God...
You have taken your one proof verse out of context from this passage...
you slander a true spiritual practise of responsibility and self awareness. Through your teachings and your blind pride you have become a pharisee who would rather memorize your dogmatic views, your creeds, then examine and search for truth. you are continuing in a corruption of the faith that Jesus and others spread. If only you could read the scripture through unbiased pre-educated programmed eyes... I know you spread love but love through a lie causes confusion and fundamentalism causes war.
Wow ranger16.. I don't know what ashram you crawled out of, but The jesus you espouse is not the Jesus Christ of the Bible...Jesus never practiced Yoga, no record of it whatsoever...nor did he meditate in the Garden, He Prayed to His FATHER. He Specifically condemned Chanting, so you know he did not use mantras. and he said that HE was the only way to achieve salvation, which kinda blows new-age inclusiveness all to smithereens.
"through yoga, meditation, PRIDE , SELF ESTEEM?" Jesus meditated in the garden. Jesus said Know yourself.. Jesus practised Yoga, Do you know the definition of yoga ? It means Union. or Yoke.. Was jesus' example not to carry your yoke or burden or cross and follow his example? Did jesus not teach to rid your mind of fleshly and earthly desires... Meditation? In what part does pride and self -esteem come into a humble practise such as yoga or meditation?? Should one not have a righteous pride?
Its sad to hear someone with such a passion and yearning to do good speak such lies. This is hipocrisy when you claim to speak truth and yet have through your own pride cannot even look into nameless languageless dogmaless religiousless truth.
excuse me pastor mark but you lied to your sheep <bahhhhhh You claim with certainty that your satan created these false religions in which you mistakenly claim are full of pride.... There is no pride inner reflection, infact parts of buddhism and other religions that believe in one-ness are totally against self pride and any sorta of thought and premote being humble to all life. Even your Jesus claims that we are all gods. Jesus claimed he was god because he knew his inner being.
@ 1:30 Driscoll says that Satan told Adam and Eve that they could be like god. It's true.
The "god" character in the OT backs up the claim made by "Satan" in Genesis 3:22-Then the lord god said, "behold, the man has become like ONE OF US now..." Apparently Driscoll hasn't read Genesis in it's entirety.
Then @ 2:40 Driscoll says "you've all been lied to"
That's true, Mark. But you and your ilk are the BIGGEST LIARS ON EARTH!
Mark Driscoll = the next Ted Haggard. Just wait and see.
okplayerr, you forgot the rest of the verse, "Knowing good and evil"... they did not become gods, in a sense that they were deity, They became like God in a ability to discern b/t evil...and the ability to choose. you should read the verse in it's entirety...
Pride like saying that only Christians know truth? Actually some people in Asia strive to heal others through Reiki and aren't into becoming gods or doing evil. They have no qualms in accepting Jesus' existence. How can we say these people are bad and deluded? These are gentle and benevolant souls.
It isn't about their motives, or their actions. It isn't about wether they accept Jesus' exsistance or not; its about whether the accept him as God. The only God. The only way.
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This is not a singular exlusive event. God has become a person over and over again throughout history and all over the world. All the other stuff (becoming one with God, spark of divinity within all of us etc) is and has been believed to be true by alot of christians of all sorts. So is he calling Augustine a demonic, satanic liar, and how about early chrisitianity? Talking about humility and self-righteousness. This guy is quite stupid. Does he even have a degree???
the 10 commandments are expressed in almost every religion, in one form or another, so that's a clue. and i never said Jesus's love shouldn't be our ultimate goal, i just don't think pastor Mark's way is the only one to reach for it.
Great little message. I cry for those we love, (and im sure we all have these friends), who are taken in by the panthiest televangelists that seem to have never read the third chapter of the Bible, nor a lot of other chapters too... "We are little gods" "name it and claim it" etc... Cherry picked verses taken out of context leading to the apostacy forewarned of. Ecumenical inclusiveness taught from the pulpit leading to one world religion. Wake up church!
What it does not mean is that God died on the cross. Christ died as a Man being always One with God in Spirit. The Christ died physically as a Man. But many Christions say God died on the cross , impossible. Jesus Diety never died andwas always alive Spirit connected to the Father and Spirit
polopowers1 5 months ago
It's great how he can layout where the New Age/Occult beliefs steam from. I think if people could connect the dots and open their eyes, more would come to Jesus. And he is talking about pride being evil. We should have worth in Jesus. After I found my worth in him, I actually realized how precious I truly am and as a result starting to accept my image. That is true esteem...esteem from the Father, not from one's self. Finding worth in the Father (for I am lacking).
SawaneeKimbirli 5 months ago
This is epic. The word of God is like a sword when you hear it.
TheThawek 6 months ago
how the hell do you expect anything from a person whos pride , self asteem you have killed?
god comes to us?
are you going to go to god when these people do not produce results you wanted them to? no your going to blame them...
niinja2 6 months ago
You say we don't have an aspect of divinity in us but i'm not sure about this because we have an essence of God in that we're all made in the image of God and have huge potential, not to be God but to do great things, Jesus says (John 14:12) that we will do greater things than Him, through Him. But yea, agree it's about humility, good work
qazwsx1711 7 months ago
Lol...self-esteem is satanic? I never heard that one before...
LettersFromAStranger 8 months ago
@LettersFromAStranger
u miss heard him. he said pride. pride is demonic, satanic
mccrady007 5 months ago
Pride can be destructive but self esteem is important to have even though at its core it is a type of pride self esteem is what keeps people from hating God and prevents some suicides if one were to have no self esteem living would mean nothing this life is a test we are made in God's image so that we may be able to follow after his son and to truly call ourselves the children of God no self esteem no belief in a greater purpose than the depression you'd feel
Trumpetnerd34 8 months ago
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"I like how Mark is teaching people basic systematic theology to his congregations. So many churches lack this very crucial aspect of spiritual formation"
I don't agree with Mark's theology, but I definitely agree. He has a great church and his sermons are excellent and honest.
StormTrek 8 months ago
wow.... what a bunch of.... idiocy....People believing in a god just as an idea is sad.. but when people like this guy start spouting extreme idiocy and others actually think he is serious.. its so heartbreakingly sad. :(
AlphaBrenda1 9 months ago
I like how Mark is teaching people basic systematic theology to his congregations. So many churches lack this very crucial aspect of spiritual formation
haitsjesse 2 years ago 15
Amen Brother
darizzle7 2 years ago
Jesus Christ did not become God through self realization, He is God. He Created EVERYTHING. He existed before time and space and he Laid aside His Glory to become a man, He became a willing sacrifice for all those who would accept God's gift of eternal life. All men, including you and I are sinners from birth, and in need of a Savior, We are not nor will we ever be Gods. our hearts are wicked and we have no hope of heaven apart from the blood Of Jesus Christ, Who paid our sin debt on the cross.
8DamienKing8 2 years ago 2
And every claim he ever made was confirmed by the fact that he was resurrected three days after his death.... That's the gospel
"And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in HIS SON.
He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God HAS NOT LIFE.
These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God."
-1John 5:11-13
8DamienKing8 2 years ago
and alas im not here to argue just maybe link my upcoming videos pertaining to deity of christ and the inner self within each human .. the inner self jesus taught.. he was christ.. we can all be as christ we can be christed we can be like krishna like the buddha.. but if you have pride and are unable to see past your dogma.. but this is all in vein because true peace of mind comes in knowing and trusting yourself, not needing reassurance by arguing points. I hope everyone knows this is friendly
ranger16 2 years ago
You may think you can be as Christ, but Jesus himself said That HE was The WAY The TRUTH and the LIFE,and you will not come to the Father EXCEPT THROUGH HIM... Jesus also said that ALL who EVER came before him are thieves and robbers, (Krishna , Buddha?) You can delude yourself into thinking you can become a god, yet you accuse me of pride? You quote one text from the entire bible to prove your point, and accuse me of not knowing my Bible, that I was brought up on since my youth?...strange..
8DamienKing8 2 years ago
ohh and damien8 you should be better versed and understand the context in which jesus adds onto the verse.. You are gods.. because he is quoting Psalms 82:6 in which it blatently says.. Ye are Gods Children of the most high.. oh and perhps read in the new testament john chap10 vers22 -39 ... Im not trying to be an asshole but I shouldn't be able to know your holy text better then you if I am just some foolish dude trying to start arguments.. i just want to shed some light on lies..
ranger16 2 years ago
You claim to be the redeemed with such an arrogant pride. If you would humble yourself and read what I am saying you would realize that I am speaking of a truth far greater then dogma and creed and religious thought. Jesus despised the religious teachers of the day because they too were caught up in the religious self serving aspects of their faith. Im not here to argue either if you want to continue in your pride that is fine.. after all believing in nonsense keeps you from hell. Joshua lives
ranger16 2 years ago
Too be born again implies Reincarnation.. The bible doesnt say Jesus Practised yoga specifically... IF u knew what yoga was youd know jesus was a master yogi. Yoga Translated to english means Too Yoke or to come into union with. Jesus was in complete union spiritually and physically. He denied his sensual urges HE WAS A YOGI BY DEFINITION.. meditation is a state wherin ur mind s relaxed and free of the egoic voice in the head.. The satan.. meditating is realizing u have power over the voices.
ranger16 2 years ago
the bible does not say Jesus practiced yoga AT ALL, yoga , has nothing to do with Christianity...Jesus Condemned using Vein repetitious prayers as in mantras. He Never promoted meditation, but he taught us to PRAY. Denying sexual urges does not make you a yogi... It for a christian is a command of God. I am celibate.... does that make me a yogi? you have little to stand on here...
8DamienKing8 2 years ago
Also the one stack verse you quote, you fail to quote as a whole
.
"I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. But ye shall- DIE LIKE MEN-, and fall like one of the princes." psalm 82:6...AND7
This verse is the condemnation of false spiritual leaders, and has nothing to do with man becoming Gods...
Jesus quoted the verse to justify before the Jews in calling himself the son of God...
You have taken your one proof verse out of context from this passage...
8DamienKing8 2 years ago 2
you slander a true spiritual practise of responsibility and self awareness. Through your teachings and your blind pride you have become a pharisee who would rather memorize your dogmatic views, your creeds, then examine and search for truth. you are continuing in a corruption of the faith that Jesus and others spread. If only you could read the scripture through unbiased pre-educated programmed eyes... I know you spread love but love through a lie causes confusion and fundamentalism causes war.
ranger16 2 years ago
Wow ranger16.. I don't know what ashram you crawled out of, but The jesus you espouse is not the Jesus Christ of the Bible...Jesus never practiced Yoga, no record of it whatsoever...nor did he meditate in the Garden, He Prayed to His FATHER. He Specifically condemned Chanting, so you know he did not use mantras. and he said that HE was the only way to achieve salvation, which kinda blows new-age inclusiveness all to smithereens.
Soldier7of7Christ 2 years ago
Look you have the right to believe in who you want, but don't seek credibility by including Jesus and the Bible in it.
the Bible is a book that is discerned only by
those who are Born Again... and the unredeemed will never understand it...
Soldier7of7Christ 2 years ago 2
"through yoga, meditation, PRIDE , SELF ESTEEM?" Jesus meditated in the garden. Jesus said Know yourself.. Jesus practised Yoga, Do you know the definition of yoga ? It means Union. or Yoke.. Was jesus' example not to carry your yoke or burden or cross and follow his example? Did jesus not teach to rid your mind of fleshly and earthly desires... Meditation? In what part does pride and self -esteem come into a humble practise such as yoga or meditation?? Should one not have a righteous pride?
ranger16 2 years ago
Its sad to hear someone with such a passion and yearning to do good speak such lies. This is hipocrisy when you claim to speak truth and yet have through your own pride cannot even look into nameless languageless dogmaless religiousless truth.
ranger16 2 years ago
excuse me pastor mark but you lied to your sheep <bahhhhhh You claim with certainty that your satan created these false religions in which you mistakenly claim are full of pride.... There is no pride inner reflection, infact parts of buddhism and other religions that believe in one-ness are totally against self pride and any sorta of thought and premote being humble to all life. Even your Jesus claims that we are all gods. Jesus claimed he was god because he knew his inner being.
ranger16 2 years ago
@ 1:30 Driscoll says that Satan told Adam and Eve that they could be like god. It's true.
The "god" character in the OT backs up the claim made by "Satan" in Genesis 3:22-Then the lord god said, "behold, the man has become like ONE OF US now..." Apparently Driscoll hasn't read Genesis in it's entirety.
Then @ 2:40 Driscoll says "you've all been lied to"
That's true, Mark. But you and your ilk are the BIGGEST LIARS ON EARTH!
Mark Driscoll = the next Ted Haggard. Just wait and see.
okplayer420 2 years ago
okplayerr, you forgot the rest of the verse, "Knowing good and evil"... they did not become gods, in a sense that they were deity, They became like God in a ability to discern b/t evil...and the ability to choose. you should read the verse in it's entirety...
8DamienKing8 2 years ago
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1:45-2:00 that Scientology you moron. He is getting his theology confused.
KaraOfTheSea 2 years ago
No he was indeed referring to mormonism.
1337faqsguy 2 years ago 2
Actually it's Mormonism...
Xevays 2 years ago
really?
KaraOfTheSea 2 years ago
You are right, I didn't know that. Humm you learn something new everyday.
KaraOfTheSea 2 years ago
Pride like saying that only Christians know truth? Actually some people in Asia strive to heal others through Reiki and aren't into becoming gods or doing evil. They have no qualms in accepting Jesus' existence. How can we say these people are bad and deluded? These are gentle and benevolant souls.
draggeddownthehole 2 years ago
Ephesians 2:8-9 (New International Version)
"For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast."
We are saved from sin by faith in Jesus, not by works; not by being gentle or benevolent.
1337faqsguy 2 years ago 4
"How can we say these people are bad and deluded?"
Easy: by the sins they commit.
mahhootenanny 2 years ago
It isn't about their motives, or their actions. It isn't about wether they accept Jesus' exsistance or not; its about whether the accept him as God. The only God. The only way.
ginjaninja1988 2 years ago
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kirkoverstreet 2 years ago 20
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This is not a singular exlusive event. God has become a person over and over again throughout history and all over the world. All the other stuff (becoming one with God, spark of divinity within all of us etc) is and has been believed to be true by alot of christians of all sorts. So is he calling Augustine a demonic, satanic liar, and how about early chrisitianity? Talking about humility and self-righteousness. This guy is quite stupid. Does he even have a degree???
Ramsez 2 years ago
where do you get the evidence that God has become a man more than once?
ET102 2 years ago
evidence? there is no evidence in religion.
Ramsez 2 years ago
10 commandments. The impact of many through Jesus's love.
I believe that your myth is pretty well busted.
EPTechCompany 2 years ago
the 10 commandments are expressed in almost every religion, in one form or another, so that's a clue. and i never said Jesus's love shouldn't be our ultimate goal, i just don't think pastor Mark's way is the only one to reach for it.
Ramsez 2 years ago
Good stuff Pastor Mark.
illdrums2000 2 years ago 3
Great little message. I cry for those we love, (and im sure we all have these friends), who are taken in by the panthiest televangelists that seem to have never read the third chapter of the Bible, nor a lot of other chapters too... "We are little gods" "name it and claim it" etc... Cherry picked verses taken out of context leading to the apostacy forewarned of. Ecumenical inclusiveness taught from the pulpit leading to one world religion. Wake up church!
Baconhunter1 2 years ago 2