I would actually make the comment that the subversion of the definition of terrorism by the state would qualify itself as terrorism. That is they can use these broad categories to intimidate and coerce populations and engage in a terrorism of their own.
However there would be no state without people (civilians)
And There is very few people on Earth who don't belong to any state (country)
Citizens (civilians) make the State.
So act of terrorism regardless if is targeted at the institutions of the State and/or military (combatants) or civilians is still TERRORISM. it is an Act of War by those who are stateless. No terrorist organisation belongs (officially) to any state.
First off, there is a difference of a civilian and military personal regardless of states and they were civilians at one time. When they do something unlawful we have military police that take charge of investigation, detaining, etc. The US government acknowledges this.
Second, many terrorist cells belong to a state and a not so accurate but easy to understand quote one mans patriot is another terrorist. Next time, do research.
@Faithmaster There are no holes there, sonny boy, at your age I had already 1 degree under my belt with total of 5 now...I am already a grandfather so you at 19 could be my grandson.
Research? I have spent 11 years working in various Muslim countries, have read the un-holy Qur'an in 3 different languages (took me 5 years of my time to read and comprehend all this nonsense) plus I have degrees in Political Science, History, Psychology (the others do not apply here)
@WatchdogofAllah1 You mistaken being elderly and experienced as being knowing and wise. You deviate off the subject to attack me and my credibility and worth. I have also read the Q'ur'an as well as every other middle eastern religion and it did not nearly take me so long to understand, nor did I have to read it in 3 languages.
So, to reiterate what was relevant- read what applies to this conversation and stop trying to prove yourself to me.
When you pass hopefully you'll take ignorance with.
@WatchdogofAllah1 Ps, I won't be bothering to read you comments again so don't bother reposting. I respect your list of achievements, if true, but I don't want to listen to an obviously closed minded individual such as yourself that is so obviously content with what he thinks and believes nor do I want to have a debate with you. I have a college that gives me much better information and perspective then you could ever give me.
@Faithmaster You better change the college then, because this one you are attending gives you wrong or biased information. I also won't debate with you. What you know I already forgot. Besides you are brainwashed beyond any help.
WTF...Arrogant teenager who seen shit in his life.
The trouble is the terrorist are not sticking to the definitions of terrorism as it is becoming wide spread and so often is has no sense but to kill anyone.
The liberal viewer who made this clip is looking at life through presentism, thats when you apply todays stardard against a past event to make out how different it is without understanding that meanings of words change over time.
I wonder if this viewer will welcome being blown up for legal polictical reasons of some crazy murderous cult.
What was this guy, he was a Muslim who sided with Al Qaeda claiming the Army, his Army, was at war with Islam. So he goes out and shoots a bunch of fellow soldiers in the name of Islam. That makes him a terrorist. Liberal Viewer has his head up his ass.
Mukasey's rationale for why he was a terrorist was so flawed.
He quoted that Hasan "did not support the war, supported killing infidels, shouted 'Allahu Akbar' before killing people, etc." these don't prove he's a terrorist, they prove he's a Muslim fundamentalist, but to close-minded conservative Christian fucktards like Mukasey, a terrorist and a Muslim fundamentalist are synonymous, but he wouldn't accuse George Tiller's murderer or the Army of God's members to be terrorists,
The war on terror is a big joke!! Its one of those wars that will last forever and at the same time make trillions of dollars for the military industrial complex..
you dam trator you should get indited for assist a coup helping rapers make rape hostages breeding at child age
u can see a muslim in israel jerk.
muslims die fast and hard iff i take american people and norweagans along i dont care - and hamburg . friesland north off hamburg in wargame after french people
Die muslims 30 % off world babies and 60% off world teens die.
somalia bigger than usa on 10 year olds smaller than norway 40 years ago.
your right on this one. its a very general broad defintion which gives them the power to condemn anyone they see fit. regardless of what party is in power. breaking the paradigm myth is essential
The definition you found was way better than a quote saying Civil Disobedience as Terrorism. The way Fox News word it, is poisoning the well. Who knows what really happened.
I agree that the recipients of terrorism should be identified as "civilians" in the definition of "terrorism" but the setting of the "terrorist attack" need not be a war zone in order to describe violence committed by a person or person against civilians for the purpose of intimidation or the generation or forced acquiescence to an particular ideology.
The UN definition suggests that an armed conflict must be taking place when terrorism is occurring. The citizens of New York were not involved in an armed conflict, nor was the US military active in NY on 9/11/2001. That is where this definition fails.
* Civilians (in peacetime or wartime, it doesn't matter. Civilians never take part in armed conflicts because if they do they're not considered civilians any longer).
* People that are involved in a armed conflict but don't take an active part in the hostilities (Which includes civilians, but also other people).
RE: Fort Hood, granted there is little info at present but we should be alert to the possibility that it was a 'false flag' scenario (it wouldn't be the first time).
Also, the 2x response vids by Prononum provide relevant context.
you dam trator you should get indited for assist a coup helping rapers make rape hostages breeding at child age
u can see a muslim in israel jerk.
muslims die fast and hard iff i take american people and norweagans along i dont care - and hamburg . friesland north off hamburg in wargame after french people
Die muslims 30 % off world babies and 60% off world teens die.
somalia bigger than usa on 10 year olds smaller than norway 40 years ago.
civilians die = terrorism? Then the US military is the biggest terrorist in world history. HEELLLOOO 900 thousand civilian deaths in IRAQ....??? 3 children die every die in Afghanistan???? in *accidents*???????????
@Sivels acsually the US army doesnt do that to intimidate any population so no they arent terrorists they just crush their enemies because theyre able and to reach their goals good or bad doesnt matter ... but the rest i agree with you and that the US should pay for the crimes they've done outside their countries
How exactly are they gonna pay for their crimes? Just pull them back from everywhere and let the world deal with their own prooblems... Lead by example, not through force..
Anyway, the insurgency can sustain itself indefinitely, it's impossible to crush it... They will just continue to recruit...
I predict there's going to be another terrorist attack, then you can say goodbye to your civil liberties
The sole purpose of that attack was preventing the Americans from messing with the war on southeast Asia Japan was planning. Japan was not terrorising America.
And WTF d'you think is doing the killing? The VAST majority of Iraqi deaths are due to rampaging muslim on muslim sectarian lunacy . World history' s clearly not your suit either;Stalin probably killed more than the US whilst takin' a shit of a morning.
That does not define terrorism. Civilians would have to be the PRIMARY target for it to be terrorism. When civilians are accidental killed or wounded during an attack on a legitimate military target, that is hardly terrorism. Under your definition, just about every state in the world has been guilty of terrorism at one time or another.
Attacking uniformed soldiers in a military base is not terrorism. I don't like what the guy did, but I don't consider it terrorism and more than the attack on Pearl Harbor was terrorism.
I'm pretty sure Pearl Harbor wasn't terrorism. It was the country of Japan producing a pre-emptive strike on the US to keep us from adding the allied powers. It had little to do with and ideological difference and more with a war tactics.
That should have read "But I don't consider it terrorism ANY more than the attack on Pearl harbor was terrorism"
In other words, I don't believe either attack was a terrorist attack. Both cases involved an attack on a military installation, attacking uniformed soldiers.
wouldn't that make the US nuking japan in world war 2 obvious terrorism? it seems that if 2 nations are at total war then the definition of terrorism must be altered or it would require that most developed nations admit terrorist acts.
"some of the people who say that may even fool themselves, because they seem to have a great capacity for self-delusion" Hey! Stop stealing our rhetoric! Also, my preferred definition is: the use or threat of violence to motivate fear among a population in order to effect social, political, or economic change in the behavior of that population. Look at the word roots: terror (fear) and ism (an occurrence of, also, an ideology of or pertaining to). The simplest definition: an ideology of fear.
@ChristJesusReigns You could pull similar quotes from the Bible. Point being? Religion can be corrupted, everyone knows that. Radical forms of Christianity carry out terrorism. So branding Islam as violent without understanding the formation of the religion, is patently stupid.
Being a Christian isn't about "religion". Its about God's grace and His eternal gift. Its about what He did for us, not about what we've done for Him. Find me a verse in teh Gospels that tells us Christians to kill people in the name of Christ. Come on now, go find it. I'm so used to those of you who don't have a clue what the Gospels say. "Radical" Christianity is actually a good thing if you're actually going by the Gospels. It simply means you're telling people about the Gospel as instructed
"Christianity" does not carry out terrorism. Read the Gospels, read the New Testament. Read God's covenant given to us through the LORD Jesus Christ. Find an instance of "terrorism" in there. You'll find an abundance of love, grace, and truth. IF that's "terrorism", then you have a lot to learn
@ChristJesusReigns when it come to terror no one can hold a candle to Christainity. Why do you feel that the only way you can make a point is by lieing? The verse 8:12 God ordering the angels and here is the correct verse:
[Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, "I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip.
You didn't deny that the verse indeed says "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, so strike them upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip".
Now go find me a place in the Gospels where Christ commands us or the angels to do the same. Come on now, go find it.
Deuteronomy 2:25 This day will I begin to put the dread of thee and the fear of thee upon the nations that are under the whole heaven, who shall hear report of thee, and shall tremble, and be in anguish because of thee.
Deuteronomy 4:34 by war, and by a mighty hand, and by a stretched out arm, and by great terrors....
this the first suicide bomber in the history Judges 16:27-30 Now the house was full of men and women ... about three thousand men and women.... And Samson called unto the LORD, and said ... strengthen me ... that I may be at once avenged of the Philistines.... And Samson took hold of the two middle pillars upon which the house stood..... Cont..
cont.... And Samson said, Let me die with the Philistines. And he bowed himself with all his might; and the house fell upon the lords, and upon all the people that were therein. So the dead which he slew at his death were more than they which he slew in his life.
2 Corinthians 5:11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men.
i just posted few because you can't post a book on youtube.
like i said when it come to terror no one can hold a candle to Christainity jesus said you shall know them by their fruits
now read the history christendom crusades,genocide of the native American indean, word war I,word war ii, and soon you call it Armageddon you want to start world war III.
Again, show me a place in the Gospels where Jesus Christ tells us to kill people who don't believe in Him. As far as your absurdity in trying to say the world wars were started in the name of Christianity, keep in mind it was the USA who was attacked first, and the USA and its allies defeated the evils of the Nazis who I might add had TWO Muslim brigades fighting with them. Historical facts of war. the USA and its allies defeated evil so freedom could survive
Funny, because it was the CHRISTIAN nation who defeated Nazi Germany and brought justice to the evil Hitler. And not one, but TWO MUSLIM BRIGADES fought alongside Hitler in WWII and Hitler was buddies with the Grand Mufti. Hitler also wrote in his personal diaries that he wanted Christianity to die a slow death. Again, these are all historical facts. You just don't admit them, because you know you'll look foolish in doing so. But just remember, ANYONE can look up the information.
And one more thing, the BIBLE tells us to support Israel and pray for the peace of Jerusalem. The BIBLE tells us that Jesus Christ is the King of the Jews. Did Hitler love the Jews? Do Muslims? NOPE. That's why Muslims teamed with Hitler in WWII to try to eliminate the Jewish people, just as the Hadith and the Quran both instruct.
And as I knew you wouldn't, you weren't able to find one verse in the Gospels that tell Christians to kill people who don't believe in Christ. Because you know there isn't one in there. Good night oh great deceiver. Time to try to trick the next person with your lies.
And as far as starting WW III goes, it appears Muslims wanted to do that. See 9-11-01. And spare me the propaganda that 9-11-01 was an "inside job" too. Trust me I've seen all the evil lies there are to see.
I'll let you have one more opportunity to show me a place in the Gospels where Christ commands us to kill people who don't believe in Him. If you can find one spot, I'll give you credit. Just one. If not, this discussion is pointless because you're doing the same thing all non-believers do, which is bring up Scripture from historical accounts in the Old Testament and try to equate it to the Gospels. Its a tactic all non-believers use.
When did I say I was "ashamed" of the Old Testament? I said that was Old Testament history and warfare. I never said I was "ashamed" of it. I said God is in charge. As far as the verse you bring up from Matthew,for one that doesn't say anything about instructing Christians to kill anyone who doesn't believe in Christ, and for two the "sword" is the Sword of Truth, not a literal sword. The Word of God is referred to as the "Sword" in the New Testament. You need to read more.
There is no "sugar coating" to it, unless of course you can point to me a place in the Gospels where Jesus Christ was carrying a sword and killing people. Can you?
Samson was killed for his sins. He paid the ultimate punishment because he sinned against God. The reason he said "let me die" is because he was ashamed of his disobedience to God. This is history. God gave Sampson one last bit of strength to push down the pillars and defeat the evil Phillistines who did not worship the LORD God and who were holding Samson captive. Again, this is Old Testament history. No different than modern day war history. Only Supernatural powers given to Samson.
Sampson wanted to die because he had disobeyed God. God gave Sampson strength to defeat the Phillistines who held him captive. The phillistines were enemies of the Israelites. This is Old Testament warfare. And God won, just like He does now.
Good...and that's exactly Old Testament warfare...its not a commandment to Christians. In the Quran however we can find hundreds of verses instructing Muslims to kill people who do not submit to the religion of "allah". Can you find me a place in the Gospels where Jesus Christ tells us to kill people in His name?
There are hundreds of verses in both the Quran and the Hadith. For you to say they're not is only Islamic denial. Again, look at 9-11-01. And no, it wasn't an "inside" job.
And by the way the cities were punished by God in the book of Genesis for their disobedience to Him. God is allowed to punish His creation for their rebellion. Ever heard of the flood of Noah? God's the boss buddy. You don't like that do you?
I'm saying God is in charge, but I'm still waiting on you to show me a place in the Gospels which instructs Christians to kill people who don't believe in Christ.
Still waiting. Oh wait...you already had your chance. And you don't have a clue what the definition of a "hypocrite" is, either.
look Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
what is Jesus telling you he is enforcer the law of
the Old Testament , i know you know more than Jesus so
print new bible with out Matthew 5:17 until then the law of Old Testament is the Christian law . (Exodus 22:19 NAB) (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB),(Exodus 22:17 NAB),(Zechariah 13:3 NAB),(Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT) etc........
That's right, Jesus fulfilled the Law Upon Himself. He is the Lamb of God. He IS the Law. Jesus took the punishment of the law upon Himself on the cross. He FULFILLED what He came to do on the cross.
"I have no rebuttal of what you've said, so I'll just resort to insulting you."
This is what you just did. You have no answers, so your last resort (as is the case with every single non-believer on the web I've ever come across) is to post personal attacks. Congrats, hope you "feel better" about yourself. We'll keep praying for you. Pride blinds you from coming to the Truth. You are described in Scripture. Good day!
And of course you had 5 chances (at least) to point out a verse in the Gospels where Jesus Christ tells us to kill people who don't believe in Him, and you failed to do so.
So this discussion is over. You don't want answers, you are too full of pride and arrogance to want the truth. Again this is all described in Scripture.
God is allowed to punish people who rebel against Him. That's His right as the Creator.
What you're missing out on is God's grace and love because God Himself became a man and took the punishment of sin on Himself in the person of Jesus Christ on the cross, then He rose from the grave so that through Him we can have eternal life, not through "religion". This is what GOD DID FOR US. You're missing out bud, big time.
So of course you ignore the point of my argument and just run back to "OMG TEH GOSPELS!!!" Let's step beyond dogma. It is an accepted fact within the counter-terror community that Christianity has produced various terrorist organizations foremost in my mind would be those who bomb abortion clinics and the IRA. To argue otherwise is closed minded and naive. You refuse to argue based on reality but rather blindly spout dogma. Your entire argument is a strawman and thus logically invald.
"Christianity" does not produce terrorists. Read the Gospels buddy. Any idiot who bombs an abortion clinic (and how many times has that happened in the past 10 years btw?) is no "Christian". It is foolish and irresponsible to associate these incidents as representations of "Christianity" if one sits down and actually reads the Gospels, which you refuse to do, evidently. Your arrogance is nothing I haven't seen before on the web. There are plenty of your types out there...sadly.
Exodus 22:18-19 Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live. Whosoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death.
These particular verses were used to justify the Salem Witch trials where innocent women were put to death in the name of God. There have been horrible things done in the name of Christianity. None of which i believe reflect upon the faith. I believe the same can be said about Islam.
Aren't you glad we're not living in the Old Testament anymore? The perpetrators of the Salem Witch trials evidently never took the time to read the New Testament and the Grace that comes through our Lord Jesus Christ. Muslims still execute women nowadays for adultery, and they execute homosexuals. All we do as Christians is pray for these people so that they may come to repentance. There is no forgiveness in the Quran, only a set of rules and no grace.
Yes i am glad we are not. However i am not sure what your response has to do with the point i was trying to make.
Furthermore not all Muslims execute women or homosexuals. Not even the majority do so why are you trying to villainize an entire religion based on the actions of a few . Less than six months ago members of the KKK (which is a Christian extremeist group) killed a homosexual teen under the banner of Christianity but no one says Christians kill homosexuals.
I didn't say all Muslins execute women and homosexuals. But it is a fact that there are indeed still MUSLIM countries in the Middle East who execute women and homosexuals because of strict Sharia law controlling their countries. And no, the KKK is not "Christian". Unless of course you can find me a place in the Gospels which tells Christians to be racist and kill people who aren't believers in Christ. The point is flying way over your head. The Quran permits killing. The Gospels do not!
Again what does that have to do with the point i was trying to make?
but to indulge you. I am a Christian and from what i was taught Christ is not only the son of God but the physical manifestation of God on earth. So his words should be taken as the words of the Lord. So when you say Christianity is all about the Jesus Christ you are incorrect. Since Jesus himself would be nothing without the blessing of the Lord and the Holy Spirit...(cont.)
(cont.)...which brings me to my point. Jesus was the vessel through which God gave his word. But there have been vessels before him,, though not divine, that have given us his word before. So limiting God's word to the Gospel is your prerogative however it is not truth.
Many vessels before him such as Moses has given divine decrees of the Lord which have in fact allowed the killing of witches, followers of the beast, and those who curse at their parents...(cont)
The entire Bible is God's Word. You're missing the whole point. Of course I believe in the Old Testament, but Christ fulfilled the Old Testament law upon Himself on the cross through His love. Love is a fulfillment of the LAW. The killing of witches, etc, etc...were part of Old Testament practices before Christ came to fulfill the law upon Himself. THat's why we now live under the LORD's grace:
[ The Fulfillment of the Law ] "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
(cont.)...Now about the KKK. The KKK believe that white's are pure and children of God and that minoritiesare the Children of Cain and bare his mark, their darker skin. And they use Genesis 4:15 " ...And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him." to justify their killings.
The point i'm trying to make is that there have been numerous grroups including the Church itself which have engaged in the torturing and killing of sinners in the name of Christianity...(cont.)
Tell me, are the KKK following the Gospels? Are they living under the Grace of God through our LORD Jesus Christ?
Are they loving their neighbors and doing unto others as they would like them to do unto them? Are they following the example set by the LORD Jesus Christ when He was on earth? Is there any love in them whatsoever?
22Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'
...(cont)as there have been many people and groups who have done the same of Islam. As you use verses of peace to define your own faith there are people who use the words of violence to define theirs. It is not a reflection of the faith or what the faith is meant to be. (of course this is through my perspective as yours seems to lean towards violence) however a interpretation of words.
For a fellow Christian to define another religion as violent is against the words of the Lord.
You're missing the whole point. There is no SAVIOR in Islam. There is no fulfilment of the law. That's why many Muslim countries still allow killing homosexuals and women who commit adultery. There is NO Grace of God through the LORD Jesus Christ in the Quran, because Muslims do not believe Jesus Christ is the Savior of the world. They are missing out on God's eternal grace and love. You are out of your mind. I'm sitting here promoting love and nothing but love and you falsely accuse me of..
..promoting violence. I suggest you read the Scriptures and start learning more about God's grace. Jesus Christ Himself spoke out against false prophets and false teachings. Islam is a false teaching. So are you going go accuse Jesus of speaking falsely now as well? Listen to HIM:
i never accused you of promoting violence. I said you have a belief that the faith was meant to be violent. if i came to you and said Christianity is a violent religion. because jesus himself promotes violence.
Luke 19:26-27 "I tell you that to everyone who has, more shall be given, but from the one who does not have, even what he does have shall be taken away. But these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence. "...cont.
The Islamic faith was meant to be violent. Unless of course you're going to totally change history. Again, their "prophet" was a violent man himself and promoted killing Jews and Christians in the Quran and the Hadith. Who did Christ tell us to kill? You're taking that passage from Luke out of context. Jesus is not talking about Himself. He is telling a parable, a story to His disciples. Try reading the verses preceding that verse and you'll see. That's why you have to read ALL of the Bible.
I know i took the verse out of context on purpose as you have done with al-Baqarah 2:190-194 and Al-Nisa' 4:89-91. If you do not understand the historical or literary context of these verses it is very easy to be led astray. I pray one day you find the light and learn that only though compassion, love and understanding can you be saved. not just through words.
You're defending the Quran. You're no Christian. One is saved through repentance of our sins to Christ, not "religion". There's a reason why you ignored the Scripture and the words of the LORD Jesus Christ I just sent you. I knew something was fishy here.
Take this out of context, would ya?:
Qur'an (5:51) - "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other....
Qur'an (5:51) - "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."
and by the way, you knew where the verses in the Quran were and I didn't even bring up the actual verses during this discussion. You're obviously a Muslim, not a Christian. I am well aware that Muslims are allowed to hide behind their true religion if it is necessary. You just exposed yourself. No true Christian would ever defend the Quran.
I'm sorry it seems that i have upset you. I can assure you i am not a Muslim nor am I of any other faith. I know the verses of the Quran because of my studies at University in which we learned the history behind the Torah, the Bible, the Quran and the Sutras. I know for a fact that faith is not an evil trait you seem to be in doubt. So i will continue my prayers for you and hope we will meet some day.
Well that's good, then why did you completely ignore the verses in the Quran that instruct Muslims not to befriend Christians and Jews? You're right, faith is not an evil trait, that is if that faith is placed in Jesus Christ. But if that faith is placed in anything or anyone else besides Christ, than it is not the light, it is the darkness. I really don't care about your studies at the university. Most universities nowadays are very liberal and do not teach true history. They distort it.
Its not about upsetting me. I'm actually afraid for you because you don't appear to realize that Jesus Christ is the only way, not "religion". People can have "faith" in anything. So are you saying that there is no such thing as evil faith?
I don't not believe in religion. Religion is a creation of man and thus flawed in nature.
No there is no such thing as evil faith as faith cannot be evil as you yourself agreed. You can place your faith in things that may be evil but that is not the same as something being inherently evil.
Funny because you've been promoting "religion" in your posts. If you think there is no such thing as an evil faith, then by your logic satanism is not evil. Of course faith can be evil. I never agreed with you that faith cannot be evil. Not quite sure what you're reading buddy. If you place your faith in evil things than you become evil yourself.
so by definition you believe all Muslims to be evil even your friend who you are so kind to. which is more a reflection of yourself than the faith of Christianity. You are misinterpreting my words i'm afraid. I said practice their faith without slander. And when have i ever defended religion? please quote to me and i shall correct it if it exists....(cont)
It is slander because you are acting under the assumption that Muhammed killed them cold bloodedly when in fact they were attacked by non Muslims of Makkah consistently for years before acting in self defense.
Its not an assumption. Muhammed killed Christians and Jews, and it was not in self defense. Again, the reason you believe this is unfortunately because it is the distortion of history that is being spoon fed into universities nowadays. Thats' why I suggest you go out and do some hard tough research instead of listening to everything you're taught in that classroom. Muslims do not want you to know their true history. This exposes that religion. All one has to do is read the Quran and Hadith
I believe that all men are born of sin and sin is evil. The religion of Islam is evil and the Bible helps us make this discernment. Muslims deny Jesus Christ as Lord of all. they deny God's Truth. They are against Christ.
The reason I am kind to the Muslim at work is because Jesus Christ tell us to love our enemies and pray for them. As I told you, I listen to Christ, not "religion". You've promoted other "religions" as if to insinuate that Christianity is a "religion". It is not.
And anything faith leads people away from the Savior of the world, Jesus Christ, is evil, because it is taking souls straight to hell, which is exactly what the devil wants. Islam is doing exactly that. Leading people away from the LORD Jesus Christ.
cont... and that Islam is of peace because Allah has said
al-An'am 6:151 "..Take not life, which Allah hath made sacred, except by way of justice and law: thus does He command you, that ye may learn wisdom."
you would be offended because you know Christianity can be a religion of peace if one does not stray. The same can be said of Islam. Do i follow Islam no. But i will respect there faith as i expect the to respect mine. Do unto others correct?
The problem is the justice in law in Islam is the justice and law of a false god, NOT the Lord Jesus Christ, Savior of all. Christianity isn't a "religion". Its a relationship. Will you respect satanism? It is a "faith" also. By your logic you should respect evil. There are evil faiths. Your problem is you're not secure in your own faith. Should we "respect" things that attack the divinity of the LORD Jesus Christ as Islam does? Should we "respect" sin?
Yes i will respect all people and all faiths because i walk with the light. Respect does not mean to embrace nor does it mean to ignore. If there are people who do follow "evil faiths" they will not be led to the light through ridicule and slander. A they must also embrace the light of god on their own. I feel that you have become uncomfortable with this conversation as you have begun projecting your own insecurities upon me. I will pray for you and hope you find peace.
Jesus did not respect sin and He did not respect false teachings. Your problem is you're not reading and adhering to all He said. Nobody "ridiculed" and "slandered" anyone. There is nothing insecure about my faith. I am well aware that Jesus Christ is Lord of all. It is you who are uncertain. We should not "respect" things that are unGodly. You really have no clue who you're talking to. I work with a Muslim and he comes to me all the time because I am very kind to him. Read God's Word more
"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence.
If anyone is ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when he comes in his Father's glory with the holy angels."
Yes Jesus Christ is the only way to heaven. I am not defending the Quran i am defending the right of the Islamic people to their faith without slander as i would Christianity. You have indeed come to the conclusion that Islam is an "evil faith" and violent by taking verses out of historical context. That is slander. You are correct i have no idea who i am talking to yet you told me i am no Christian and that i am a Muslim. Is that not hypocritical to say one then the other?
I'm glad you've finally said that. I never said the Islamic people didn't have a right to believe in the Quran. Now you're making things up. Of course islam is an evil faith. It denies Jesus Christ as Lord of all, and it also denies the crucifixion and the resurrection. Jesus Himself warned about false teachings and false prophets who lead sheep astray. I listen to Christ, not "religion". No, its not "slander", its history. Muhammed killed Christians and Jews. This is history.
Just because people have a right to believe in something does not make the faith "right".
Christ is the only way. He is the Only Right. He is eternal life. Not "Religion". It is simply historical fact that Muhammed, the prophet of Islam, slaughtered thousands in the name of allah. This is simply historical fact. Christians don't defend the Quran. You did so by claiming I am taking it out of context. Can't take history out of context. Again, who did Christ kill, and who did Muhammed kill?
I suggest you go do some research on your own instead of listening to everthing your liberal professors are telling you about the Quran and Islamic history. you owe it to yourself. It is a fact that most universities are ultra-liberal nowadays and they have completely revised true history, even American history. Many universities in America are even funded by radical Muslims and Muslim countries and are forced to teach false history and not the true history of Islam. These are facts. Look it up.
Its not an assumption. Facts are facts and the facts are most universities (actually the majority) of universities in the United States are ultra-liberal nowadays. I already know you voted for the Socialist, Obama, because your page says "Yes we did" on it.
I deem the religion of Islam evil, you're correct. The Bible, God's precious Word, helps us make these discernments through the precious Wisdom of the Holy Spirit who lives within us as Christians. Use God's Word, not your own
i did in fact not vote for Obama yet another false accusation you have made against me.
And can you please show me where i promoted other religions? Because i am positive that i did not and that yet again you are falsely accusing me.
I would be interested if you could provide evidence to support your claim that historians and archaeologists are wrong. so could you please substantiate your claim?
"Yes We Did" is a common phrase(and bumper sticker I might add) that people have been chanting who voted for Obama. I apologize. Are you not capable of reading your own posts and scrolling back through this conversation on your own? You referred to "other religions", meaning you are inciting that Christianity is a "religion". You said to respect other faiths.
Jesus Christ did not "respect other faiths". I showed you direct Scripture and you chose to ignore that as well. Too much pride in u
I'm sorry i tried to use a direct quote but failed to put in the quotation marks when i said other religions.
I did say to respect other faiths. How is that promoting another "religion"?
I've said this at least two times not that i am not defending the Quran why are you accusing me of things i never did? And further more you did take the verses out of context as i illustrated with the luke verse. so unless you can prover historians and archaeologists wrong i believe i am correct.
You referred to Islam, etc, etc..as other "religions". Again, are you not capable of scrolling back and reading your own words? That's why I said you promoted other religions. Yes, you defended the Quran because you accused a Christian of taking it out of context. Can you tell me where the Quran says Jesus Christ is Lord of all and where is says Jesus was crucified and rose from the grave for our sins? No, you illustrated nothing with the Luke verse. Again, do your own research.
I know what i said but how is that promoting "another religion"? and no again i did not defend the Quran for the last time i was defending the right of the Islamic to practice their faith without slander. And because you cannot substantiate your own claim i see no validity in your argument. If you have nothing more to add i am going to bed. God Bless.
Nobody is denying Muslims from practicing their religion. I never tried to stop them. But this does not mean its right. And it also does not mean that Christians should stand back and be silent about it. We should always take a stand for Christ, not "religion", no matter what the consequences may be. You completely changed the subject because I never said muslims don't have a right to be muslim. I never said that. You changed the original conversation to suit your own argument.
again i never said that you said Muslims can't practice their faith. I said practice their faith without slander. You did in fact slander Islam by taking the Quran out of context. Me pointing that out is not defending the Quran though you may still believe it is. There are many things i take issue with in Islam however slandering them is not Christ like in the least. You have accused me of many things tonight but i am far to tired to try and refute them all so God bless.
Nobody slandered them. History is history. ANd no, I did not take the Quran out of context. history is history. And history is that Muhammed himself killed thousands of Christians and Jews and that in Muslims countries even today Christians are being severely persecuted, imprisoned, and killed simply for being Christians. Facts are FACTS.
Christ Himself warned us of false teachings and false prophets(like Muhammed). So when are you going to tell Christ that His own words aren't Christ like?
You've continued to falsely accuse me of "slandering" Islam. Would Jesus Christ respect Islam, a religion that denies He is the Son of God, God in the flesh?
Read His Word to find out. You'll be surprised.
Again, go do some more research and read the Bible more. It will suit you well. Trust in the Lord with all your heart and LEAN NOT unto your own understanding. That's the key.
Yes, you defended the Quran because you accused me of taking the Quran out of context.
Kid if you only knew how many death threats and unbelievable amount of cussing, ridicule, and lies I have endured from Muslims on the internet you would have second thoughts (I hope) about what you're saying and doing. But you know what my friend, even after all the threats, slander, and ridicule, I continue to pray for Muslims and I continue to answer their many many questions.
Anyhow my eyes are starting to close. Go research that mass slaughter of Armanean Christians by Turkish Muslims at the beginning of the 20th century. You owe it to yourself
In most Muslim countries you can be arrested and even killed for being a Christian and openly declaring yourself a Christian. This is just simple facts.
America had better stop taking her freedoms for granted before its too late, because muslims are trying to push their way of law into our democracy as we speak.
You also completely ignored the words of the LORD Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ did not respect other "faiths". In fact He rebuked the religious teachers the Pharisees and called the hypocrites. Jesus Christ also referred to the generation as sinful and adulterous. Jesus is not tolerant of sin and other faiths. He is the way, the Truth, and the Life. He did not "respect" sin and false teachings, otherwise He would not have warned us about them.
he respected the faith unto himself as you said. he sought not to destroy or slander another s faith but to teach of his not in spite but in love which is what you are forgetting. He saw evil in the religion not the faith and spoke upon it.
Love is Truth, all of the Truth. Sometimes the Truth hurts. Love isn't about not hurting someone's feelings. If Jesus was worried about hurting people's feelings He wouldn't have called the Pharisees hypocrites. Jesus Christ declared and proved Himself to be the Truth, not "religion". That's why He specifically warned us about false teachings and false prophets who deceive even the elect. Islam is only one of many of these false teachings
Again you need to look up what I told you about the 1 million Armanean Christians being murdered by Turkish Muslims at the beginning of the 20th century.
Historical facts. 2 muslim brigades also fought alongside Hitler and the Nazis in WWII, which is probably another thing your "history" books aren't telling you.
It is important that you look these facts up on your own. Because most universities are not teaching accurate history nowadays, sadly.
Now I have to get to bed. I, like you, have class tomorrow but i also work full time and have a wife and 4 beautiful children that the LORD has blessed my life with.
By defending the Quran and accusing a Christian of "taking it out of context", you are indeed promoting another religion. you also believe there is no such thing as evil faith. So by your logic satanism is not an evil faith.
I am challenging you to go out and do some research on your own. There are plenty of historians and archaeologists out there that refute the false version of history you're being told about Islam. Again, simply read the Quran and Hadith yourself.
And then ask yourself this: What freedoms and liberties exist in Muslim countries?
There's a reason nobody is flocking to live in Saudi Arabia my friend. Please do yourself a favor and do more research.
Turkey is 99 % Muslim and at the beginning of the 20th century nearly 1 million Armanean Christians were slaughtered by Turkish Muslims all because the Christians refused to believe in Muhammed and stood up for Christ instead. This is a historical fact. Again, look it up.
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"The real danger we face is not from terrorism but what is being done under the pretext of fighting it."
Michael Parenti
MichaelParentiOrg 8 months ago
I would actually make the comment that the subversion of the definition of terrorism by the state would qualify itself as terrorism. That is they can use these broad categories to intimidate and coerce populations and engage in a terrorism of their own.
MsFiguren 9 months ago
Well intended video...
However there would be no state without people (civilians)
And There is very few people on Earth who don't belong to any state (country)
Citizens (civilians) make the State.
So act of terrorism regardless if is targeted at the institutions of the State and/or military (combatants) or civilians is still TERRORISM. it is an Act of War by those who are stateless. No terrorist organisation belongs (officially) to any state.
WatchdogofAllah1 1 year ago
@WatchdogofAllah1 There are some holes in your logic.
First off, there is a difference of a civilian and military personal regardless of states and they were civilians at one time. When they do something unlawful we have military police that take charge of investigation, detaining, etc. The US government acknowledges this.
Second, many terrorist cells belong to a state and a not so accurate but easy to understand quote one mans patriot is another terrorist. Next time, do research.
Faithmaster 1 year ago
@Faithmaster There are no holes there, sonny boy, at your age I had already 1 degree under my belt with total of 5 now...I am already a grandfather so you at 19 could be my grandson.
Research? I have spent 11 years working in various Muslim countries, have read the un-holy Qur'an in 3 different languages (took me 5 years of my time to read and comprehend all this nonsense) plus I have degrees in Political Science, History, Psychology (the others do not apply here)
Go back to school, sonny boy
WatchdogofAllah1 1 year ago
@WatchdogofAllah1 You mistaken being elderly and experienced as being knowing and wise. You deviate off the subject to attack me and my credibility and worth. I have also read the Q'ur'an as well as every other middle eastern religion and it did not nearly take me so long to understand, nor did I have to read it in 3 languages.
So, to reiterate what was relevant- read what applies to this conversation and stop trying to prove yourself to me.
When you pass hopefully you'll take ignorance with.
Faithmaster 1 year ago
@WatchdogofAllah1 Ps, I won't be bothering to read you comments again so don't bother reposting. I respect your list of achievements, if true, but I don't want to listen to an obviously closed minded individual such as yourself that is so obviously content with what he thinks and believes nor do I want to have a debate with you. I have a college that gives me much better information and perspective then you could ever give me.
Faithmaster 1 year ago
@Faithmaster You better change the college then, because this one you are attending gives you wrong or biased information. I also won't debate with you. What you know I already forgot. Besides you are brainwashed beyond any help.
WTF...Arrogant teenager who seen shit in his life.
WatchdogofAllah1 1 year ago
Jihadists love it when liberals parse words like 'terrorist.' Gives them more time to focus the crosshairs on us.
spectrumifs 1 year ago
i like the UN one, because hes more specific....
helix4811 1 year ago
The fact that he yelled Muslim slogans isn't proof he was a terrorist. It's proof he's a Muslim.
dylantuzyk 1 year ago
Targeting civilians to influence policy seems the be the gist of war-fare in general.
Vebinz 1 year ago
The trouble is the terrorist are not sticking to the definitions of terrorism as it is becoming wide spread and so often is has no sense but to kill anyone.
The liberal viewer who made this clip is looking at life through presentism, thats when you apply todays stardard against a past event to make out how different it is without understanding that meanings of words change over time.
I wonder if this viewer will welcome being blown up for legal polictical reasons of some crazy murderous cult.
beginization 1 year ago
I can't believe Fox News actually exists. There's a real network like that? Not in a movie?
By the way, Major Hasan is not a terrorist, but he is a traitor, and deserves a military tribunal as such.
WouldbeSage 1 year ago
statists are just plain crazy & anti-social
swu880 1 year ago
They attack everyone who isnt a muslim, thats known as racism.
TheyHearUsNow 1 year ago
I don't like any of the definition of terrorism showing there because they are notwithstanding the cultural case.
therrydicule 1 year ago
Fucking HOMO! I can HEAR the limp-wristed METROSEXUALITY in your girlyman voice!
quornholio 1 year ago
What was this guy, he was a Muslim who sided with Al Qaeda claiming the Army, his Army, was at war with Islam. So he goes out and shoots a bunch of fellow soldiers in the name of Islam. That makes him a terrorist. Liberal Viewer has his head up his ass.
jakefree24 1 year ago
When you attack the military it is an act of or to incite war, when you attack civialians that is terrorism.
openaircathedral 1 year ago
your 100% right.
funkmastajack3 1 year ago
Mukasey's rationale for why he was a terrorist was so flawed.
He quoted that Hasan "did not support the war, supported killing infidels, shouted 'Allahu Akbar' before killing people, etc." these don't prove he's a terrorist, they prove he's a Muslim fundamentalist, but to close-minded conservative Christian fucktards like Mukasey, a terrorist and a Muslim fundamentalist are synonymous, but he wouldn't accuse George Tiller's murderer or the Army of God's members to be terrorists,
bigot
Jarut195 1 year ago
fbi is way better
MrBrian987987 1 year ago
Michael Kinsley is one of your favorites?
Like you, he is a PANTYWAIST SISSY BOY!
quornholio 1 year ago
@quornholio wow, cons like you are so stupid and childish it's hard not to have contempt for you.
jakefree24 1 year ago
The war on terror is a big joke!! Its one of those wars that will last forever and at the same time make trillions of dollars for the military industrial complex..
burcoman990 2 years ago 14
you dam trator you should get indited for assist a coup helping rapers make rape hostages breeding at child age
u can see a muslim in israel jerk.
muslims die fast and hard iff i take american people and norweagans along i dont care - and hamburg . friesland north off hamburg in wargame after french people
Die muslims 30 % off world babies and 60% off world teens die.
somalia bigger than usa on 10 year olds smaller than norway 40 years ago.
usa bigger than indian population ever. 1900
massemorder1 10 months ago
the constitution protects against this. its called habeus corpus. mike gravel was a champion of this as well.
Justice4all311 2 years ago
your right on this one. its a very general broad defintion which gives them the power to condemn anyone they see fit. regardless of what party is in power. breaking the paradigm myth is essential
Justice4all311 2 years ago
So Henry David Thoreau was a Terrorist? LoL
The definition you found was way better than a quote saying Civil Disobedience as Terrorism. The way Fox News word it, is poisoning the well. Who knows what really happened.
BleachedSin 2 years ago
Holy S&^&T! What are we goung to do about SCOTUS?
davisfleetwood 2 years ago
I agree that the recipients of terrorism should be identified as "civilians" in the definition of "terrorism" but the setting of the "terrorist attack" need not be a war zone in order to describe violence committed by a person or person against civilians for the purpose of intimidation or the generation or forced acquiescence to an particular ideology.
BRolands 2 years ago
The UN definition suggests that an armed conflict must be taking place when terrorism is occurring. The citizens of New York were not involved in an armed conflict, nor was the US military active in NY on 9/11/2001. That is where this definition fails.
BRolands 2 years ago
That's not how I read it. I read it like this:
Terrorists are people that attack:
* Civilians (in peacetime or wartime, it doesn't matter. Civilians never take part in armed conflicts because if they do they're not considered civilians any longer).
* People that are involved in a armed conflict but don't take an active part in the hostilities (Which includes civilians, but also other people).
Bobbo110 2 years ago
We should give the terrorist a millitary trial and have him executed by fireing squad. Thats just my opinion....
TheyHearUsNow 2 years ago
RE: Fort Hood, granted there is little info at present but we should be alert to the possibility that it was a 'false flag' scenario (it wouldn't be the first time).
Also, the 2x response vids by Prononum provide relevant context.
pce
hearNyou 2 years ago 4
False flag, so who's behind it, the Jews?
jakefree24 1 year ago
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you dam trator you should get indited for assist a coup helping rapers make rape hostages breeding at child age
u can see a muslim in israel jerk.
muslims die fast and hard iff i take american people and norweagans along i dont care - and hamburg . friesland north off hamburg in wargame after french people
Die muslims 30 % off world babies and 60% off world teens die.
somalia bigger than usa on 10 year olds smaller than norway 40 years ago.
usa bigger than indian population ever. 1900
massemorder1 10 months ago
Did civilians die that day? Yes. Was it terrorism? Yes.
killpath 2 years ago
civilians die = terrorism? Then the US military is the biggest terrorist in world history. HEELLLOOO 900 thousand civilian deaths in IRAQ....??? 3 children die every die in Afghanistan???? in *accidents*???????????
Sivels 2 years ago 3
@Sivels acsually the US army doesnt do that to intimidate any population so no they arent terrorists they just crush their enemies because theyre able and to reach their goals good or bad doesnt matter ... but the rest i agree with you and that the US should pay for the crimes they've done outside their countries
Saber10inch 2 years ago
How exactly are they gonna pay for their crimes? Just pull them back from everywhere and let the world deal with their own prooblems... Lead by example, not through force..
Anyway, the insurgency can sustain itself indefinitely, it's impossible to crush it... They will just continue to recruit...
I predict there's going to be another terrorist attack, then you can say goodbye to your civil liberties
Sivels 2 years ago
***Did American civilians die that day? Yes. Was it terrorism? Yes*****
killpath 2 years ago
The sole purpose of that attack was preventing the Americans from messing with the war on southeast Asia Japan was planning. Japan was not terrorising America.
wesselbindt 2 years ago
And WTF d'you think is doing the killing? The VAST majority of Iraqi deaths are due to rampaging muslim on muslim sectarian lunacy . World history' s clearly not your suit either;Stalin probably killed more than the US whilst takin' a shit of a morning.
flerb 2 years ago
That does not define terrorism. Civilians would have to be the PRIMARY target for it to be terrorism. When civilians are accidental killed or wounded during an attack on a legitimate military target, that is hardly terrorism. Under your definition, just about every state in the world has been guilty of terrorism at one time or another.
christo930 2 years ago
Attacking uniformed soldiers in a military base is not terrorism. I don't like what the guy did, but I don't consider it terrorism and more than the attack on Pearl Harbor was terrorism.
christo930 2 years ago
"...the attack on Pearl Harbor was terrorism. "
I'm pretty sure Pearl Harbor wasn't terrorism. It was the country of Japan producing a pre-emptive strike on the US to keep us from adding the allied powers. It had little to do with and ideological difference and more with a war tactics.
blasphimus 2 years ago
That should have read "But I don't consider it terrorism ANY more than the attack on Pearl harbor was terrorism"
In other words, I don't believe either attack was a terrorist attack. Both cases involved an attack on a military installation, attacking uniformed soldiers.
Sorry about my typo. We agree here.
christo930 2 years ago
@Christo930
It's cool bro. Happens to the best of us!
blasphimus 2 years ago
wouldn't that make the US nuking japan in world war 2 obvious terrorism? it seems that if 2 nations are at total war then the definition of terrorism must be altered or it would require that most developed nations admit terrorist acts.
qulqunick 2 years ago
Was Sgt. William Kreutzer Jr. a terrorist? Nope I think they labeled him a misfit back then.
GrrrChocolate 2 years ago
"some of the people who say that may even fool themselves, because they seem to have a great capacity for self-delusion" Hey! Stop stealing our rhetoric! Also, my preferred definition is: the use or threat of violence to motivate fear among a population in order to effect social, political, or economic change in the behavior of that population. Look at the word roots: terror (fear) and ism (an occurrence of, also, an ideology of or pertaining to). The simplest definition: an ideology of fear.
JohannVII 2 years ago
The definition of terrorism should be:
The use or a threat to use weaponry against civilians to achieve political or military advantage.
falcon02012 2 years ago
From the Quran:
Qur'an (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
From the Hadith (more writings from muhammed):
Bukhari (52:220) - Allah's Apostle said... 'I have been made victorious with terror'
Tabari 9:69 "Killing Unbelievers is a small matter to us"
-The words of Muhammad, prophet of Islam.
NUFF SAID
ChristJesusReigns 2 years ago
@ChristJesusReigns You could pull similar quotes from the Bible. Point being? Religion can be corrupted, everyone knows that. Radical forms of Christianity carry out terrorism. So branding Islam as violent without understanding the formation of the religion, is patently stupid.
kcirtem 2 years ago 2
Being a Christian isn't about "religion". Its about God's grace and His eternal gift. Its about what He did for us, not about what we've done for Him. Find me a verse in teh Gospels that tells us Christians to kill people in the name of Christ. Come on now, go find it. I'm so used to those of you who don't have a clue what the Gospels say. "Radical" Christianity is actually a good thing if you're actually going by the Gospels. It simply means you're telling people about the Gospel as instructed
ChristJesusReigns 2 years ago
"Christianity" does not carry out terrorism. Read the Gospels, read the New Testament. Read God's covenant given to us through the LORD Jesus Christ. Find an instance of "terrorism" in there. You'll find an abundance of love, grace, and truth. IF that's "terrorism", then you have a lot to learn
ChristJesusReigns 2 years ago
@ChristJesusReigns when it come to terror no one can hold a candle to Christainity. Why do you feel that the only way you can make a point is by lieing? The verse 8:12 God ordering the angels and here is the correct verse:
[Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, "I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip.
falcon02012 2 years ago
Anyone with the education of a 5th grader can clearly see that Christians are not terrorizing the world, but rather Muslims.
ChristJesusReigns 2 years ago
You didn't deny that the verse indeed says "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, so strike them upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip".
Now go find me a place in the Gospels where Christ commands us or the angels to do the same. Come on now, go find it.
ChristJesusReigns 2 years ago
ChristJesusReigns :Genesis 35:5 The terror of God was upon the cities that were round about them.
Exodus 23:27 I will send my fear before thee.
Deuteronomy 2:25 This day will I begin to put the dread of thee and the fear of thee upon the nations that are under the whole heaven, who shall hear report of thee, and shall tremble, and be in anguish because of thee.
Deuteronomy 4:34 by war, and by a mighty hand, and by a stretched out arm, and by great terrors....
falcon02012 2 years ago
this the first suicide bomber in the history Judges 16:27-30 Now the house was full of men and women ... about three thousand men and women.... And Samson called unto the LORD, and said ... strengthen me ... that I may be at once avenged of the Philistines.... And Samson took hold of the two middle pillars upon which the house stood..... Cont..
falcon02012 2 years ago
cont.... And Samson said, Let me die with the Philistines. And he bowed himself with all his might; and the house fell upon the lords, and upon all the people that were therein. So the dead which he slew at his death were more than they which he slew in his life.
falcon02012 2 years ago
I ask you again, where in the Gospels are we told to kill people who don't believe in Christ?
ChristJesusReigns 2 years ago
2 Corinthians 5:11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men.
i just posted few because you can't post a book on youtube.
like i said when it come to terror no one can hold a candle to Christainity jesus said you shall know them by their fruits
now read the history christendom crusades,genocide of the native American indean, word war I,word war ii, and soon you call it Armageddon you want to start world war III.
falcon02012 2 years ago
Again, show me a place in the Gospels where Jesus Christ tells us to kill people who don't believe in Him. As far as your absurdity in trying to say the world wars were started in the name of Christianity, keep in mind it was the USA who was attacked first, and the USA and its allies defeated the evils of the Nazis who I might add had TWO Muslim brigades fighting with them. Historical facts of war. the USA and its allies defeated evil so freedom could survive
ChristJesusReigns 2 years ago
Germany is a Christan nation and the Nazis is a product of that culture.
falcon02012 2 years ago
Funny, because it was the CHRISTIAN nation who defeated Nazi Germany and brought justice to the evil Hitler. And not one, but TWO MUSLIM BRIGADES fought alongside Hitler in WWII and Hitler was buddies with the Grand Mufti. Hitler also wrote in his personal diaries that he wanted Christianity to die a slow death. Again, these are all historical facts. You just don't admit them, because you know you'll look foolish in doing so. But just remember, ANYONE can look up the information.
ChristJesusReigns 2 years ago
And one more thing, the BIBLE tells us to support Israel and pray for the peace of Jerusalem. The BIBLE tells us that Jesus Christ is the King of the Jews. Did Hitler love the Jews? Do Muslims? NOPE. That's why Muslims teamed with Hitler in WWII to try to eliminate the Jewish people, just as the Hadith and the Quran both instruct.
ChristJesusReigns 2 years ago
And as I knew you wouldn't, you weren't able to find one verse in the Gospels that tell Christians to kill people who don't believe in Christ. Because you know there isn't one in there. Good night oh great deceiver. Time to try to trick the next person with your lies.
ChristJesusReigns 2 years ago
And as far as starting WW III goes, it appears Muslims wanted to do that. See 9-11-01. And spare me the propaganda that 9-11-01 was an "inside job" too. Trust me I've seen all the evil lies there are to see.
ChristJesusReigns 2 years ago
I'll let you have one more opportunity to show me a place in the Gospels where Christ commands us to kill people who don't believe in Him. If you can find one spot, I'll give you credit. Just one. If not, this discussion is pointless because you're doing the same thing all non-believers do, which is bring up Scripture from historical accounts in the Old Testament and try to equate it to the Gospels. Its a tactic all non-believers use.
ChristJesusReigns 2 years ago
i see you ashamed of the Old Testament keep in mind the
Old Testament is the word off god and since Jesus is god that make the Old Testament the word of Jesus.
but i am going to quotes Jesus. Matthew 10 34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
falcon02012 2 years ago
When did I say I was "ashamed" of the Old Testament? I said that was Old Testament history and warfare. I never said I was "ashamed" of it. I said God is in charge. As far as the verse you bring up from Matthew,for one that doesn't say anything about instructing Christians to kill anyone who doesn't believe in Christ, and for two the "sword" is the Sword of Truth, not a literal sword. The Word of God is referred to as the "Sword" in the New Testament. You need to read more.
ChristJesusReigns 2 years ago
look the only time "Sword" become "New Testament" if you are trying to sugar coating the word .
falcon02012 2 years ago
There is no "sugar coating" to it, unless of course you can point to me a place in the Gospels where Jesus Christ was carrying a sword and killing people. Can you?
ChristJesusReigns 2 years ago
Samson was killed for his sins. He paid the ultimate punishment because he sinned against God. The reason he said "let me die" is because he was ashamed of his disobedience to God. This is history. God gave Sampson one last bit of strength to push down the pillars and defeat the evil Phillistines who did not worship the LORD God and who were holding Samson captive. Again, this is Old Testament history. No different than modern day war history. Only Supernatural powers given to Samson.
ChristJesusReigns 2 years ago
so god/Jesus helped Sampson, so Jesus guilty of assisting of terrorist. very simple
falcon02012 2 years ago
Sampson wanted to die because he had disobeyed God. God gave Sampson strength to defeat the Phillistines who held him captive. The phillistines were enemies of the Israelites. This is Old Testament warfare. And God won, just like He does now.
ChristJesusReigns 2 years ago
so what are you saying God Can't Make Up His Mind
falcon02012 2 years ago
Nope, Jesus is not guilty of terrorism because the Phillistines were an evil enemy of the Jews/Israel. They were Old Testament version of the Nazis.
ChristJesusReigns 2 years ago
Good...and that's exactly Old Testament warfare...its not a commandment to Christians. In the Quran however we can find hundreds of verses instructing Muslims to kill people who do not submit to the religion of "allah". Can you find me a place in the Gospels where Jesus Christ tells us to kill people in His name?
ChristJesusReigns 2 years ago
give me quotes number where Allah instruct Muslims to kill people who do not submit you need to stop lying
in the Quran the only war allowed is in self defence only..
if what you are saying is correct the explain why the Muslim
did not kill the Christan/Jew in Syria, Lebanon etc..
falcon02012 2 years ago
There are hundreds of verses in both the Quran and the Hadith. For you to say they're not is only Islamic denial. Again, look at 9-11-01. And no, it wasn't an "inside" job.
ChristJesusReigns 2 years ago
And by the way the cities were punished by God in the book of Genesis for their disobedience to Him. God is allowed to punish His creation for their rebellion. Ever heard of the flood of Noah? God's the boss buddy. You don't like that do you?
ChristJesusReigns 2 years ago
so it is ok for god punish disobedience to Him in the bible
you are trying to justify what god did in the bible
you are hypocrite ..........
falcon02012 2 years ago
I'm saying God is in charge, but I'm still waiting on you to show me a place in the Gospels which instructs Christians to kill people who don't believe in Christ.
Still waiting. Oh wait...you already had your chance. And you don't have a clue what the definition of a "hypocrite" is, either.
ChristJesusReigns 2 years ago
how many time i have to post ? scroll back and read.
falcon02012 2 years ago
look Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
what is Jesus telling you he is enforcer the law of
the Old Testament , i know you know more than Jesus so
print new bible with out Matthew 5:17 until then the law of Old Testament is the Christian law . (Exodus 22:19 NAB) (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB),(Exodus 22:17 NAB),(Zechariah 13:3 NAB),(Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT) etc........
(Exodus 21:15 NAB)
falcon02012 2 years ago
That's right, Jesus fulfilled the Law Upon Himself. He is the Lamb of God. He IS the Law. Jesus took the punishment of the law upon Himself on the cross. He FULFILLED what He came to do on the cross.
Understand yet?
ChristJesusReigns 2 years ago
you need to wait until i become senile then what you are saying will make sense. anyway enjoy your delusion.
falcon02012 2 years ago 3
Translation of your response to me:
"I have no rebuttal of what you've said, so I'll just resort to insulting you."
This is what you just did. You have no answers, so your last resort (as is the case with every single non-believer on the web I've ever come across) is to post personal attacks. Congrats, hope you "feel better" about yourself. We'll keep praying for you. Pride blinds you from coming to the Truth. You are described in Scripture. Good day!
ChristJesusReigns 2 years ago
And of course you had 5 chances (at least) to point out a verse in the Gospels where Jesus Christ tells us to kill people who don't believe in Him, and you failed to do so.
So this discussion is over. You don't want answers, you are too full of pride and arrogance to want the truth. Again this is all described in Scripture.
ChristJesusReigns 2 years ago
Yes he allowed us to go to church one day a week and live like the devil the other six,I love my savior.
MrTabby5000 2 years ago
God is allowed to punish people who rebel against Him. That's His right as the Creator.
What you're missing out on is God's grace and love because God Himself became a man and took the punishment of sin on Himself in the person of Jesus Christ on the cross, then He rose from the grave so that through Him we can have eternal life, not through "religion". This is what GOD DID FOR US. You're missing out bud, big time.
ChristJesusReigns 2 years ago
So of course you ignore the point of my argument and just run back to "OMG TEH GOSPELS!!!" Let's step beyond dogma. It is an accepted fact within the counter-terror community that Christianity has produced various terrorist organizations foremost in my mind would be those who bomb abortion clinics and the IRA. To argue otherwise is closed minded and naive. You refuse to argue based on reality but rather blindly spout dogma. Your entire argument is a strawman and thus logically invald.
kcirtem 2 years ago
"Christianity" does not produce terrorists. Read the Gospels buddy. Any idiot who bombs an abortion clinic (and how many times has that happened in the past 10 years btw?) is no "Christian". It is foolish and irresponsible to associate these incidents as representations of "Christianity" if one sits down and actually reads the Gospels, which you refuse to do, evidently. Your arrogance is nothing I haven't seen before on the web. There are plenty of your types out there...sadly.
ChristJesusReigns 2 years ago
@ChristJesusReigns
Exodus 22:18-19 Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live. Whosoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death.
These particular verses were used to justify the Salem Witch trials where innocent women were put to death in the name of God. There have been horrible things done in the name of Christianity. None of which i believe reflect upon the faith. I believe the same can be said about Islam.
icronianson 2 years ago
Aren't you glad we're not living in the Old Testament anymore? The perpetrators of the Salem Witch trials evidently never took the time to read the New Testament and the Grace that comes through our Lord Jesus Christ. Muslims still execute women nowadays for adultery, and they execute homosexuals. All we do as Christians is pray for these people so that they may come to repentance. There is no forgiveness in the Quran, only a set of rules and no grace.
ChristJesusReigns 2 years ago
Yes i am glad we are not. However i am not sure what your response has to do with the point i was trying to make.
Furthermore not all Muslims execute women or homosexuals. Not even the majority do so why are you trying to villainize an entire religion based on the actions of a few . Less than six months ago members of the KKK (which is a Christian extremeist group) killed a homosexual teen under the banner of Christianity but no one says Christians kill homosexuals.
icronianson 2 years ago
I didn't say all Muslins execute women and homosexuals. But it is a fact that there are indeed still MUSLIM countries in the Middle East who execute women and homosexuals because of strict Sharia law controlling their countries. And no, the KKK is not "Christian". Unless of course you can find me a place in the Gospels which tells Christians to be racist and kill people who aren't believers in Christ. The point is flying way over your head. The Quran permits killing. The Gospels do not!
ChristJesusReigns 2 years ago
Again what does that have to do with the point i was trying to make?
but to indulge you. I am a Christian and from what i was taught Christ is not only the son of God but the physical manifestation of God on earth. So his words should be taken as the words of the Lord. So when you say Christianity is all about the Jesus Christ you are incorrect. Since Jesus himself would be nothing without the blessing of the Lord and the Holy Spirit...(cont.)
icronianson 2 years ago
(cont.)...which brings me to my point. Jesus was the vessel through which God gave his word. But there have been vessels before him,, though not divine, that have given us his word before. So limiting God's word to the Gospel is your prerogative however it is not truth.
Many vessels before him such as Moses has given divine decrees of the Lord which have in fact allowed the killing of witches, followers of the beast, and those who curse at their parents...(cont)
icronianson 2 years ago
The entire Bible is God's Word. You're missing the whole point. Of course I believe in the Old Testament, but Christ fulfilled the Old Testament law upon Himself on the cross through His love. Love is a fulfillment of the LAW. The killing of witches, etc, etc...were part of Old Testament practices before Christ came to fulfill the law upon Himself. THat's why we now live under the LORD's grace:
Romans 6:14
For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace
ChristJesusReigns 2 years ago
Matthew 5:17
[ The Fulfillment of the Law ] "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
Romans 13:10
Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law
-Hence the KKK and other hate organizations ARE NOT LIVING UNDER LOVE-Which is Christ Jesus the LORD:
Proverbs 16:6
Through love and faithfulness sin is atoned for; through the fear of the LORD a man avoids evil
ChristJesusReigns 2 years ago
(cont.)...Now about the KKK. The KKK believe that white's are pure and children of God and that minoritiesare the Children of Cain and bare his mark, their darker skin. And they use Genesis 4:15 " ...And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him." to justify their killings.
The point i'm trying to make is that there have been numerous grroups including the Church itself which have engaged in the torturing and killing of sinners in the name of Christianity...(cont.)
icronianson 2 years ago
Tell me, are the KKK following the Gospels? Are they living under the Grace of God through our LORD Jesus Christ?
Are they loving their neighbors and doing unto others as they would like them to do unto them? Are they following the example set by the LORD Jesus Christ when He was on earth? Is there any love in them whatsoever?
ChristJesusReigns 2 years ago
John 13:34
"A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another
-So are the KKK following the Gospels? ARe they listening to the LORD Jesus Christ?
ChristJesusReigns 2 years ago
False Christians are addressed here by the LORD Jesus Christ Himself:
Matthew 7:22-23
22Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'
ChristJesusReigns 2 years ago
...(cont)as there have been many people and groups who have done the same of Islam. As you use verses of peace to define your own faith there are people who use the words of violence to define theirs. It is not a reflection of the faith or what the faith is meant to be. (of course this is through my perspective as yours seems to lean towards violence) however a interpretation of words.
For a fellow Christian to define another religion as violent is against the words of the Lord.
icronianson 2 years ago
You're missing the whole point. There is no SAVIOR in Islam. There is no fulfilment of the law. That's why many Muslim countries still allow killing homosexuals and women who commit adultery. There is NO Grace of God through the LORD Jesus Christ in the Quran, because Muslims do not believe Jesus Christ is the Savior of the world. They are missing out on God's eternal grace and love. You are out of your mind. I'm sitting here promoting love and nothing but love and you falsely accuse me of..
ChristJesusReigns 2 years ago
..promoting violence. I suggest you read the Scriptures and start learning more about God's grace. Jesus Christ Himself spoke out against false prophets and false teachings. Islam is a false teaching. So are you going go accuse Jesus of speaking falsely now as well? Listen to HIM:
Mark 13:22
For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and miracles to deceive the elect—if that were possible.
-Is Jesus the authority in your life?
ChristJesusReigns 2 years ago
i never accused you of promoting violence. I said you have a belief that the faith was meant to be violent. if i came to you and said Christianity is a violent religion. because jesus himself promotes violence.
Luke 19:26-27 "I tell you that to everyone who has, more shall be given, but from the one who does not have, even what he does have shall be taken away. But these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence. "...cont.
icronianson 2 years ago
The Islamic faith was meant to be violent. Unless of course you're going to totally change history. Again, their "prophet" was a violent man himself and promoted killing Jews and Christians in the Quran and the Hadith. Who did Christ tell us to kill? You're taking that passage from Luke out of context. Jesus is not talking about Himself. He is telling a parable, a story to His disciples. Try reading the verses preceding that verse and you'll see. That's why you have to read ALL of the Bible.
ChristJesusReigns 2 years ago
I know i took the verse out of context on purpose as you have done with al-Baqarah 2:190-194 and Al-Nisa' 4:89-91. If you do not understand the historical or literary context of these verses it is very easy to be led astray. I pray one day you find the light and learn that only though compassion, love and understanding can you be saved. not just through words.
icronianson 2 years ago
You're defending the Quran. You're no Christian. One is saved through repentance of our sins to Christ, not "religion". There's a reason why you ignored the Scripture and the words of the LORD Jesus Christ I just sent you. I knew something was fishy here.
Take this out of context, would ya?:
Qur'an (5:51) - "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other....
ChristJesusReigns 2 years ago
Qur'an (5:51) - "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."
ChristJesusReigns 2 years ago
and by the way, you knew where the verses in the Quran were and I didn't even bring up the actual verses during this discussion. You're obviously a Muslim, not a Christian. I am well aware that Muslims are allowed to hide behind their true religion if it is necessary. You just exposed yourself. No true Christian would ever defend the Quran.
ChristJesusReigns 2 years ago
I'm sorry it seems that i have upset you. I can assure you i am not a Muslim nor am I of any other faith. I know the verses of the Quran because of my studies at University in which we learned the history behind the Torah, the Bible, the Quran and the Sutras. I know for a fact that faith is not an evil trait you seem to be in doubt. So i will continue my prayers for you and hope we will meet some day.
icronianson 2 years ago
Well that's good, then why did you completely ignore the verses in the Quran that instruct Muslims not to befriend Christians and Jews? You're right, faith is not an evil trait, that is if that faith is placed in Jesus Christ. But if that faith is placed in anything or anyone else besides Christ, than it is not the light, it is the darkness. I really don't care about your studies at the university. Most universities nowadays are very liberal and do not teach true history. They distort it.
ChristJesusReigns 2 years ago
Its not about upsetting me. I'm actually afraid for you because you don't appear to realize that Jesus Christ is the only way, not "religion". People can have "faith" in anything. So are you saying that there is no such thing as evil faith?
ChristJesusReigns 2 years ago
I don't not believe in religion. Religion is a creation of man and thus flawed in nature.
No there is no such thing as evil faith as faith cannot be evil as you yourself agreed. You can place your faith in things that may be evil but that is not the same as something being inherently evil.
icronianson 2 years ago
Funny because you've been promoting "religion" in your posts. If you think there is no such thing as an evil faith, then by your logic satanism is not evil. Of course faith can be evil. I never agreed with you that faith cannot be evil. Not quite sure what you're reading buddy. If you place your faith in evil things than you become evil yourself.
ChristJesusReigns 2 years ago
so by definition you believe all Muslims to be evil even your friend who you are so kind to. which is more a reflection of yourself than the faith of Christianity. You are misinterpreting my words i'm afraid. I said practice their faith without slander. And when have i ever defended religion? please quote to me and i shall correct it if it exists....(cont)
icronianson 2 years ago
It is slander because you are acting under the assumption that Muhammed killed them cold bloodedly when in fact they were attacked by non Muslims of Makkah consistently for years before acting in self defense.
icronianson 2 years ago
Its not an assumption. Muhammed killed Christians and Jews, and it was not in self defense. Again, the reason you believe this is unfortunately because it is the distortion of history that is being spoon fed into universities nowadays. Thats' why I suggest you go out and do some hard tough research instead of listening to everything you're taught in that classroom. Muslims do not want you to know their true history. This exposes that religion. All one has to do is read the Quran and Hadith
ChristJesusReigns 2 years ago
I believe that all men are born of sin and sin is evil. The religion of Islam is evil and the Bible helps us make this discernment. Muslims deny Jesus Christ as Lord of all. they deny God's Truth. They are against Christ.
The reason I am kind to the Muslim at work is because Jesus Christ tell us to love our enemies and pray for them. As I told you, I listen to Christ, not "religion". You've promoted other "religions" as if to insinuate that Christianity is a "religion". It is not.
ChristJesusReigns 2 years ago
And anything faith leads people away from the Savior of the world, Jesus Christ, is evil, because it is taking souls straight to hell, which is exactly what the devil wants. Islam is doing exactly that. Leading people away from the LORD Jesus Christ.
ChristJesusReigns 2 years ago
1 Thessalonians 5:9
For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ
ChristJesusReigns 2 years ago
cont... and that Islam is of peace because Allah has said
al-An'am 6:151 "..Take not life, which Allah hath made sacred, except by way of justice and law: thus does He command you, that ye may learn wisdom."
you would be offended because you know Christianity can be a religion of peace if one does not stray. The same can be said of Islam. Do i follow Islam no. But i will respect there faith as i expect the to respect mine. Do unto others correct?
icronianson 2 years ago
The problem is the justice in law in Islam is the justice and law of a false god, NOT the Lord Jesus Christ, Savior of all. Christianity isn't a "religion". Its a relationship. Will you respect satanism? It is a "faith" also. By your logic you should respect evil. There are evil faiths. Your problem is you're not secure in your own faith. Should we "respect" things that attack the divinity of the LORD Jesus Christ as Islam does? Should we "respect" sin?
ChristJesusReigns 2 years ago
Yes i will respect all people and all faiths because i walk with the light. Respect does not mean to embrace nor does it mean to ignore. If there are people who do follow "evil faiths" they will not be led to the light through ridicule and slander. A they must also embrace the light of god on their own. I feel that you have become uncomfortable with this conversation as you have begun projecting your own insecurities upon me. I will pray for you and hope you find peace.
icronianson 2 years ago
Jesus did not respect sin and He did not respect false teachings. Your problem is you're not reading and adhering to all He said. Nobody "ridiculed" and "slandered" anyone. There is nothing insecure about my faith. I am well aware that Jesus Christ is Lord of all. It is you who are uncertain. We should not "respect" things that are unGodly. You really have no clue who you're talking to. I work with a Muslim and he comes to me all the time because I am very kind to him. Read God's Word more
ChristJesusReigns 2 years ago
Did Jesus respect all "faiths"?
ChristJesusReigns 2 years ago
yes jesus respected all people and all faiths. He simply taught.
icronianson 2 years ago
What Bible are you reading anyhow?:
Matthew 23:25
"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence.
-Words of the LORD Jesus Christ.
Mark 8:38
If anyone is ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when he comes in his Father's glory with the holy angels."
-Study more would ya?
ChristJesusReigns 2 years ago
Is Jesus Christ the only way to heaven? Why are you defending the Quran?
ChristJesusReigns 2 years ago
Yes Jesus Christ is the only way to heaven. I am not defending the Quran i am defending the right of the Islamic people to their faith without slander as i would Christianity. You have indeed come to the conclusion that Islam is an "evil faith" and violent by taking verses out of historical context. That is slander. You are correct i have no idea who i am talking to yet you told me i am no Christian and that i am a Muslim. Is that not hypocritical to say one then the other?
icronianson 2 years ago
I'm glad you've finally said that. I never said the Islamic people didn't have a right to believe in the Quran. Now you're making things up. Of course islam is an evil faith. It denies Jesus Christ as Lord of all, and it also denies the crucifixion and the resurrection. Jesus Himself warned about false teachings and false prophets who lead sheep astray. I listen to Christ, not "religion". No, its not "slander", its history. Muhammed killed Christians and Jews. This is history.
ChristJesusReigns 2 years ago
Just because people have a right to believe in something does not make the faith "right".
Christ is the only way. He is the Only Right. He is eternal life. Not "Religion". It is simply historical fact that Muhammed, the prophet of Islam, slaughtered thousands in the name of allah. This is simply historical fact. Christians don't defend the Quran. You did so by claiming I am taking it out of context. Can't take history out of context. Again, who did Christ kill, and who did Muhammed kill?
ChristJesusReigns 2 years ago
I suggest you go do some research on your own instead of listening to everthing your liberal professors are telling you about the Quran and Islamic history. you owe it to yourself. It is a fact that most universities are ultra-liberal nowadays and they have completely revised true history, even American history. Many universities in America are even funded by radical Muslims and Muslim countries and are forced to teach false history and not the true history of Islam. These are facts. Look it up.
ChristJesusReigns 2 years ago
My liberal professor wasn't a liberal i'm afraid and went to seminary before becoming a teacher and later a professor.
that is a very gross assumption made by you. but after you have deemed a group of a billion or more so people evil i'm afraid it isn't a stretch.
it is very late and i do have class tomorrow. i will put you in my prayers. good night.
icronianson 2 years ago
Its not an assumption. Facts are facts and the facts are most universities (actually the majority) of universities in the United States are ultra-liberal nowadays. I already know you voted for the Socialist, Obama, because your page says "Yes we did" on it.
I deem the religion of Islam evil, you're correct. The Bible, God's precious Word, helps us make these discernments through the precious Wisdom of the Holy Spirit who lives within us as Christians. Use God's Word, not your own
ChristJesusReigns 2 years ago
why do you assume?
i did in fact not vote for Obama yet another false accusation you have made against me.
And can you please show me where i promoted other religions? Because i am positive that i did not and that yet again you are falsely accusing me.
I would be interested if you could provide evidence to support your claim that historians and archaeologists are wrong. so could you please substantiate your claim?
icronianson 2 years ago
"Yes We Did" is a common phrase(and bumper sticker I might add) that people have been chanting who voted for Obama. I apologize. Are you not capable of reading your own posts and scrolling back through this conversation on your own? You referred to "other religions", meaning you are inciting that Christianity is a "religion". You said to respect other faiths.
Jesus Christ did not "respect other faiths". I showed you direct Scripture and you chose to ignore that as well. Too much pride in u
ChristJesusReigns 2 years ago
I'm sorry i tried to use a direct quote but failed to put in the quotation marks when i said other religions.
I did say to respect other faiths. How is that promoting another "religion"?
I've said this at least two times not that i am not defending the Quran why are you accusing me of things i never did? And further more you did take the verses out of context as i illustrated with the luke verse. so unless you can prover historians and archaeologists wrong i believe i am correct.
icronianson 2 years ago
You referred to Islam, etc, etc..as other "religions". Again, are you not capable of scrolling back and reading your own words? That's why I said you promoted other religions. Yes, you defended the Quran because you accused a Christian of taking it out of context. Can you tell me where the Quran says Jesus Christ is Lord of all and where is says Jesus was crucified and rose from the grave for our sins? No, you illustrated nothing with the Luke verse. Again, do your own research.
ChristJesusReigns 2 years ago
I know what i said but how is that promoting "another religion"? and no again i did not defend the Quran for the last time i was defending the right of the Islamic to practice their faith without slander. And because you cannot substantiate your own claim i see no validity in your argument. If you have nothing more to add i am going to bed. God Bless.
icronianson 2 years ago
Nobody is denying Muslims from practicing their religion. I never tried to stop them. But this does not mean its right. And it also does not mean that Christians should stand back and be silent about it. We should always take a stand for Christ, not "religion", no matter what the consequences may be. You completely changed the subject because I never said muslims don't have a right to be muslim. I never said that. You changed the original conversation to suit your own argument.
ChristJesusReigns 2 years ago
again i never said that you said Muslims can't practice their faith. I said practice their faith without slander. You did in fact slander Islam by taking the Quran out of context. Me pointing that out is not defending the Quran though you may still believe it is. There are many things i take issue with in Islam however slandering them is not Christ like in the least. You have accused me of many things tonight but i am far to tired to try and refute them all so God bless.
icronianson 2 years ago
Nobody slandered them. History is history. ANd no, I did not take the Quran out of context. history is history. And history is that Muhammed himself killed thousands of Christians and Jews and that in Muslims countries even today Christians are being severely persecuted, imprisoned, and killed simply for being Christians. Facts are FACTS.
Christ Himself warned us of false teachings and false prophets(like Muhammed). So when are you going to tell Christ that His own words aren't Christ like?
ChristJesusReigns 2 years ago
amen. Look up mohomadtube to see the clear unapologetic view of the muslim and the koran.
Pitttdog 2 years ago
You've continued to falsely accuse me of "slandering" Islam. Would Jesus Christ respect Islam, a religion that denies He is the Son of God, God in the flesh?
Read His Word to find out. You'll be surprised.
Again, go do some more research and read the Bible more. It will suit you well. Trust in the Lord with all your heart and LEAN NOT unto your own understanding. That's the key.
ChristJesusReigns 2 years ago
Christ spoke out against evil and he spoke out against false teachings. Islam is a false teaching that denies the Divinity of the Lord Jesus Christ.
So when are you going to tell Christ that He's not allowed to "slander" Islam, a demonic false religion influenced and started by the devil himself?
ChristJesusReigns 2 years ago
Yes, you defended the Quran because you accused me of taking the Quran out of context.
Kid if you only knew how many death threats and unbelievable amount of cussing, ridicule, and lies I have endured from Muslims on the internet you would have second thoughts (I hope) about what you're saying and doing. But you know what my friend, even after all the threats, slander, and ridicule, I continue to pray for Muslims and I continue to answer their many many questions.
ChristJesusReigns 2 years ago
Go walk through the streets of Saudi Arabia and shout "Jesus Christ is Lord of all!" and see what happens.
ChristJesusReigns 2 years ago
Anyhow my eyes are starting to close. Go research that mass slaughter of Armanean Christians by Turkish Muslims at the beginning of the 20th century. You owe it to yourself
In most Muslim countries you can be arrested and even killed for being a Christian and openly declaring yourself a Christian. This is just simple facts.
America had better stop taking her freedoms for granted before its too late, because muslims are trying to push their way of law into our democracy as we speak.
ChristJesusReigns 2 years ago
@ChristJesusReigns Do you believe in time travelers? Extraterrestrials? Immortals? Demons? Angels? Shape shifters?
Which am I ? O_o
Am I mentioned in your holy book?? p__q
Would your "God" order my death?
If it were real, would I be a threat to your God?
Or could it be one of my CREATions?? O_o
There is much you do not know about the universe. Yet you act like YOU are God and have special knowledge. LOL
Karoke77 10 months ago
You also completely ignored the words of the LORD Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ did not respect other "faiths". In fact He rebuked the religious teachers the Pharisees and called the hypocrites. Jesus Christ also referred to the generation as sinful and adulterous. Jesus is not tolerant of sin and other faiths. He is the way, the Truth, and the Life. He did not "respect" sin and false teachings, otherwise He would not have warned us about them.
ChristJesusReigns 2 years ago
he respected the faith unto himself as you said. he sought not to destroy or slander another s faith but to teach of his not in spite but in love which is what you are forgetting. He saw evil in the religion not the faith and spoke upon it.
icronianson 2 years ago
The faith is Jesus Christ. Not "religion".
Love is Truth, all of the Truth. Sometimes the Truth hurts. Love isn't about not hurting someone's feelings. If Jesus was worried about hurting people's feelings He wouldn't have called the Pharisees hypocrites. Jesus Christ declared and proved Himself to be the Truth, not "religion". That's why He specifically warned us about false teachings and false prophets who deceive even the elect. Islam is only one of many of these false teachings
ChristJesusReigns 2 years ago
The 10 commandments.
The very first commandment is not to have any other "gods" (religion) before God.
God is not respectful of other "faiths".
Other "faiths" lead people away from Christ.
ChristJesusReigns 2 years ago
Again you need to look up what I told you about the 1 million Armanean Christians being murdered by Turkish Muslims at the beginning of the 20th century.
Historical facts. 2 muslim brigades also fought alongside Hitler and the Nazis in WWII, which is probably another thing your "history" books aren't telling you.
It is important that you look these facts up on your own. Because most universities are not teaching accurate history nowadays, sadly.
ChristJesusReigns 2 years ago
Now I have to get to bed. I, like you, have class tomorrow but i also work full time and have a wife and 4 beautiful children that the LORD has blessed my life with.
Take care.
ChristJesusReigns 2 years ago
By defending the Quran and accusing a Christian of "taking it out of context", you are indeed promoting another religion. you also believe there is no such thing as evil faith. So by your logic satanism is not an evil faith.
Do you believe in absolutes at all?
ChristJesusReigns 2 years ago
I am challenging you to go out and do some research on your own. There are plenty of historians and archaeologists out there that refute the false version of history you're being told about Islam. Again, simply read the Quran and Hadith yourself.
And then ask yourself this: What freedoms and liberties exist in Muslim countries?
There's a reason nobody is flocking to live in Saudi Arabia my friend. Please do yourself a favor and do more research.
ChristJesusReigns 2 years ago
Turkey has almost all of the Liberties and Freedom of the US. Even their government is similar.
icronianson 2 years ago
Turkey is 99 % Muslim and at the beginning of the 20th century nearly 1 million Armanean Christians were slaughtered by Turkish Muslims all because the Christians refused to believe in Muhammed and stood up for Christ instead. This is a historical fact. Again, look it up.
ChristJesusReigns 2 years ago