A colleague at my Aikido dojo was attacked in the street by a man with a huge screwdriver and he managed his way out very well. The attacker was injured. We also had a young Aikido student (he started practicing Aikido very young) who was attacked by a gang of young people with knifes. He defended himself and -this is true- after that, he was arrested by the police because the gang accused him of injuries!
Good work. As an Aikido student, I wouldn't like to fight a pugilist and never ever would like to be thrown to the floor with a bjj practitioner. However, when you are on the street, anything can happen, as any serious martial art practitioner knows. A friend of mine was a TKD black belt when challenged by a pugilist. He remembered pugilists are used to get down when they receive an upper punch. He did so and it worked! After that he just kicked this guy (who was a thief by the way).
On your kotegaeshi, keep you back straight (good posture). When you are moving into the pin, control their elbow by bending it slightly and moving it over their head.
@Blndrfist i just hope that you are not older than 13 and will feel terribly ashamed for what you wrote here. no respect, dude, and that's never a good way. cheers.
I liked the video. Also I liked a point you have made that in short concludes that its about comparing NOT competing. Also to everyone that is a fan of MMA and brute-force martial arts - try and practice it when your in your 50s when your body is just damaged (or even later). Also if I would have to make a statement and decide what martial art is the best I would put it this way : in a real life situation it all comes down to the person rather then to the martial art.
@Blndrfist hahaha Gaykido. That's pretty funny. I've also heard Ai-cult-do too. That one made me giggle. Just read this comment and felt compelled to reply (although being a year too late). Blndrfist, not every one has the same motivations. If you just want to practice hurting people then muay thai and BJJ are definitely the way to go. They are extremely effective forms of self defense. As for Aikido, maybe it works, maybe it doesnt. Personally, I don't give a rats arse. Its fun, so who cares?
@Blndrfist hahaha Gaykido. That's pretty funny. I've also heard Ai-cult-do too. That one made me giggle. Just read this comment and felt compelled to reply (although being a year too late). Blndrfist, not every one has the same motivations. If you just want to practice hurting people then muay thai and BJJ are definitely the way to go. They are extremely effective forms of self defense. As for Aikido, maybe it works, maybe it doesnt. Personally, I don't give a rats arse. Its fun so who cares?
@Blndrfist@Blndrfist hahaha Gaykido. That's pretty funny. I've also heard Ai-cult-do too. That one made me giggle. Just read this comment and felt compelled to reply (although being a year too late). Blndrfist, not every one has the same motivations. If you just want to practice hurting people then muay thai and BJJ are definitely the way to go. They are extremely effective forms of self defense. As for Aikido, maybe it works, maybe it doesnt. Personally, I don't give a rats arse. Its fun!
@Blndrfist hahaha Gaykido. That's pretty funny. I've also heard Ai-cult-do too. That one made me giggle. Just read this comment and felt compelled to reply (although being a year too late). Blndrfist, not every one has the same motivations. If you just want to practice hurting people then muay thai and BJJ are definitely the way to go. They are extremely effective forms of self defense. As for Aikido, maybe it works, maybe it doesnt. Personally, I don't give a rats arse. Its fun, so who cares?
great to see aikido used in real life. isn't that part of Morihei wanted to see? that this method of keeping peace even in strife be used in the real world, and not just in a dojo? we need more practicing aikido in their word, deed, and dealing with increasingly frustrated people in the world.
@Blndfist to imitate a sword strike (shomen) what u didnt know this art is based around weapons techs and making them into H2H techs oh and what u dont relise is these guys are early grades and can only do basic techs but when they reach dan grades they will be training in realistic fighting e.g a straight coming fist or a right hook also kicking....the idea of ungraded and kyu grades is to prepare them for the start of learning the Aikido way (dan) the you really learn.....
@Blndrfist Now this is "out of date" if u actually did ur research in Aikido you would find it isnt a art thats ment for all out attack its ment to defend against a attacker simply without hurting them too bad :P oh and the fakeness u see lol lets jus say while i am still learning to get my Ukemi right (falling) i can tell u the force in which u are thrown at my dojo really hurts if you dont know how to take it...also attacking is based on sword strikes hence the from head cut to imitate a....
Oh they fall down during sparring, it's just not so pretty looking or flamboyant. If they're demonstrating or just "practicing" their techniques, they usually fall in the manner that you perceive as "ridiculous". I think you should re-read my post about how if they didn't fall in that manner, there would be a lot of injured Aikidokans around the world. When you train, you're not training to not be able to train for awhile, you're training to make yourself better. Getting injured is non-conducive
What sparring, jackass? There is none in shitkido. They merely do stupid LARP sessions where a bunch of guys fall on their asses without putting up any sort of fight or resistance. It's pure quackery. There's a difference between safe falling and intentional, deliberate falling, you clown. Real grapplers can fall down safely while resisting and being thrown or taken down at full force, so your claim that they are just being "safe" is pure horseshit.
@kommisar They're entirely two different styles of grappling. One is wrist based and the other is shoot-based. Of course the shooting is going to look more "intense" and if the wrist had the same intensity, I guarantee you that (like I've said before) there would be hundreds of severely injured Aikidokans all over the world. And you've evidently never tried actually sparring or watching two Aikidokans spar for yourself in real life--at least, competent fighters--. It's never the art.
Whether they grab the wrist, the legs, the arm, the shoulders or the gi is irrelevant. They fall on purpose because these stupid fantasy moves don't work. Shitkido is completely unrealistic. No fight EVER happens the way portrayed in a shitkido video. A guy is not going to lunge at you, let you grab his wrist, move around a little bit and then throw himself on the ground. That's not reality in the slightest. It's fucking bullshit which doesn't work.
@kommisar It's pretty self-evident that you haven't invested the time to research the span and breadth of Aikido videos, material, and literature on youtube and or in real life. It's unfortunate to say the least.
@kommisar I want to state that I'm done quarreling with you because it's utterly pointless. Even if I told you to go to a serious and genuine Aikido dojo and "resist" their wrist-locks and elbow-locks to see if you wouldn't "fall", you could just respond to that (lying), saying you did and how it doesn't work. Even if you posted a video of yourself supposedly resisting an Aikidokan's defenses, how am I to know he's not in it or if that's even you in the supposable video?
If all the haters here wish to see aikido used in "real life", please, I implore you and direct you to watch any videos of cops detaining suspects and criminals. They may not move in the circular motions that the Aikidokans move in, but if you look closely, you can see the exact same wrist, elbow, and shoulder manipulations found in "gaykido".
great job but in real life u will break that arm or wrist and get out of there u dnt pin in real life. make sure to get rid of the weapon so the opponent doesnt get it too
Watching this and reading the reviews, I found myself less concerned with the long-standing debate about whether or not Aikido is effective in combat, and more interested in the motives and values of the creator of this video contrasted with those of his detractors. It's said that one aim of martial arts is to develop oneself as a person, and regrettably a number of people seem to be developing into brutes. Given the choice of whom to associate with, I'd sooner be friends with an Aikidoka!
great video, simple and applied no exotic looks kind of what would happen in real. you may want to do some others like 2vs1 or 3vs1. Thanks for share!
Good job on the experiment. I personally find the demonstrations of Aikido unconvincing as they only seem to work in a staged setting/attack. I have been looking for real outcomes and it seems you filled this need very well with your video.
Want to find out how aikido can be used in "real life"? (I have NO idea why you put "real life" in quotes. I guess it's such a foreign concept to you after living in Aikido Fantasy Land for so long.) You guys square off with some protective gear on and have at it, 'cause minus the protective gear that's what happens in real life fights. No one is going to charge into you and willingly fly through the air as soon as you touch their wrists. This is what always pisses me off about aikido vids.
Of course it is. An aikido student has to love falling on the ground by his own volition. If he doesn't fall voluntarily, the absurd trick "doesn't work". Aikido students are taught this from day one to keep them stupefied and compliant so they don't come to the obvious conclusion that they're training in pure bullshit. You idiots seem to have so much trouble breaking anyone's wrist, compliant aikido practitioner or not.
I understand you're a jackass credophile who loves play acting and fantasy. It's no wonder you absurd aikido dipshits never prove your art's effectiveness: you have none. Run along and play with your coloring books, you little bitch.
haha, man, i'm not an aikidoka, i'm a karate brown belt and a now i'm training jujutsu. i can say, however, that principles of aikido apply to real life. have you ever tried getting caught in a kotegaeshi? of course not, otherwise you wouldn't talk like that
If you think that, then you either train at some piece of shit mcdojo or you don't train at all. No, aikido principles do not apply to real fighting. They are contrived, absurd dance moves meant for play acting and compliance. It's no wonder aikido "fighters" avoid competitions at all costs while claiming their moves will work; they don't want to have their stupid art exposed for the fraud it is. Fuck off back to your cartoons, you shitstain.
@kommisar Actually, the Ukes fall down in a manner that seems "whimsical", because if they didn't, there'd be a lot of injured Aikidokans all across the globe. I hope that helps you to better understand the "Art of Falling."
i see. So they fall down in the same manner when they're sparring? I'd like to see a video of that because I think you're full of shit, you ass.
In regards to your other comment, no, cops do not use shitkido. The stuff you see them use during arrests has been around for decades and is standard practice, including in departments that DON'T train in any shitkido. This crap is useless for real fighting, not that you'd know since you, like any other shitkido LARPer, don't fight....
@kommisar Please, don't pretend to act like you know me or my martial background.
Cops have been training in these methods for decades, because, maybe, it's been around for centuries? Human anatomy and physiology is pretty much universal on a gross musculoskeletal perspective. So, lock, holds, throws, etc., are going to be very similar across a broad range of martial arts. Ergo, the techniques that are taught to cops, SF, SWAT, Rangers, etc., are going to be from some traditional art.
What cops have been training in to subdue and arrest suspects is standard, universal techniques that are practiced by departments all over the world. None of what they learn is shitkido-specific as departments who have no shitkido instructor around learn the same things. There goes your silly claim that cops use shitkido.
I can't understand your idiot babbling. Shitkido is not used by cops simply because you see some training in it. Taking a guy to the ground and putting his wrist on his spine is a standard practice by cops all over the world. This isn't the mark of shitkido. Shitkido doesn't fucking work in reality. It is LARPing and quackery. There are videos of actual shitkido practitioners in fights and you don't see them use any of these bullshit throws. Grow up.
@kommisar Aikido is a philosophy of harmony, whether by violence or by discourse. Cops try to deescalate situations usually with verbal discourse before physically (if necessary) apprehending a non-compliant suspect. If it contains wrist-locks, elbow-locks, and or shoulder-locks, then it has Aikido (as well as many other arts) in it. I'm the one who needs to grow up? I think you need to reevaluate what you said and its context, pertinent to this discussion.
These are red herrings. The argument here is whether this shit works, not the "philosophy of harmony" behind it. The fact is it doesn't. Show us one video of this crap working on a resisting opponent. No doubt you will make up an excuse for why no such video exists. Deluded believers like you stick your head in the sand when your bullshit is challenged.
when doing a Kotegaishi, never do a very big circle, concentrate a jolt of energy in a small fluid circle.... so your form will not look so sloppy, and will not consume more time.. this might contradict other schools, but this is what I've been taught and believed that works.
"out of date" is defined by wikitionary as "Not current, outmoded, out of style, or too old to be used".
and if you read my msg properly, i said i was "keen to experiment with people outside my circle", not have "a sparring match". the motives are quite different.
if you're happy to set that up, i'll be quite happy to video tape it. sounds fun. ideally, i'd rather it be with you, but i understand that sometimes other commitments get in the way. oh, i'm in Hobart, Tasmania by the way.
hiya Blndrfist, it's been a while! sure has taken you a while to go through my videos eh? yeah - this was done with my mates about a year ago already. massively out of date. i'm always keen to experiment with people outside my circle - just not sure where to look. are you keen? the next time you come Down Under, give me a holler and I'll whip out my vidcam. hope you're not camera shy! cheers mate.
First off, in this post I am not going to be using exact spelling because I do not know the proper spelling for most of the techniques.
You are telling me that you can't do anything useful to take down the oponent from chudan ski? From that I would immediately think of Udikiminagi, and break the elbow whilst throwing them over my hip. Another thing is if you are being grabbed by the collar etc, I would just use either Nikyo or Rokyo depending on the shoulder that has been grabbed, painful eh?
I have to say this was really fun watching this. I have trained since I was 5 and have been doing so for 10 years now. I am currently a Blue Belt and found this a very intuitive video, and had some key techniques in which was good to watch.
Yes, I am a junior and in UKA you have to go through "tags" to grade. In otherwords, 3 "tags" before you can go up a belt. I am guessing you would think I was a higher grade? Another reason is that you can't get a blackbelt until you are 18 and you have to have had Brown belt for atleast a year before you can do your first Dan grade. So as I started at 5, they had to slow down gradings so it wasn't very boring and was only brown belt for like 4 or 5 years :)
Pretty good for just playing around. You blended fairly well, I bet you guys would become effective with proper training. Keep it up and keep it real. I have been doing Aikido for 7 yrs. When your technique is good, your Aikido is effective. You have to adapt to your attacker. If one technique isn't working, switch to another. Train realistically. You fight like you train. Learn proper technique and speed it up to real time. Keep a game face when training.
Nice job, osaya, continual practice is the best way to get in touch with this art. You're fortunate to have people who are so willing to work out like this.
this is for those who share the mind set of our appropriatly named friend "young"uysallset. the purpose of MA is to train to respond accordingly to a threat. there r 2 ways to do this, get in a ring & get ur head kicked in by some1 & hope u learn something or simulate threats & techniques so u can practice & come back the next day to train again. aikido is like maths, ur given the formula, dont blame it if u cant apply it properly in different situations. develop an aikido mind not just body! :D
there are some untrue in this video... because they have practice these fight before. But it's not mean that Aikido is useless.... I have seen my friend use Aikido to attack 5 other guys when they fought my friend. And that the reason why I'm learning Aikido now. Before I have been black belt (2dan) in Taekwondo, I tried to hit my friend but I couldn't cash or hit him... so I think if you want to become a good Aikido fighter you should train in real life, with someone who is a good fighter......
hi youguysallset. i was just wondering as to which aikido dojo do you train with? have you trained with any other dojo before?
you must have started pretty young to have trained for 7 years. i'm also wondering why have you committed yourself to it for such a long time if you find it useless? cheers.
Yeah, i'm not saying i could do the things that they can, but it's just ridiculous the way the attackers approach the defender - Aikido would be the coolest thing ive ever seen if a defender could do this kinda stuff when someones really trying to lamp em one
Hey i'm not bad mouthing the artform here but seriously - this pisses me off. I understand how cool aikido is BUT every move more or less starts with the enemy HANDING you his body part for you to then joint lock etc. That's simply not realistic, while youre very good once you have hold of the arm, it's not a simple case of the enemy sayin' " heres my arm for you to break to fuck" or whatever, surely?!
elmabullaz, you have quite an acute observation. =) however, whilst what you see may be true, your interpretation of what happens isn't accurate. almost all aikido moves begin with tai sabaki - roughly translated into 'evasion', which has several effects, including exposing the attacker's blind side and/or throwing off his balance. hence, if one pulls it off correctly, the 'attacker' looks like he's doing all the work. compare an experienced aikidoka vs. a n00b and you will see the difference ;)
Hey yeah i understand that it looks like the attacker is doing all the work, and i'm guessing that is why Aikido is so effective in the first place. But all the Aikido videos i've seen never seem to start with the attack throwing an actual punch. A punch is much more quick and unpredictable, i'd just like to see it applied to more realistic, hard or unpredictable punches.
traditional aikido techniques are based on sword attacks, hence the low emphasis on punches and kicks. there are of course some aikidoka who try to add certain elements into their own practice. if you are really keen to see who aikido deals with a boxer-type punch, see this channel by "kyushoaikiguy". i don't know him personally but he normally demonstrates his techniques with his uke thowing punches to the face. have a look. cheers.
I know when my family was looking at moving to canada and we went over there for a few weeks, we looked at Aikido Clubs, and one we found wasn't traditional Aikido, but Hupkido. It is based around Aikido, but the main form of training is through real life situations. As Lordosaya said, the traditional aikido techniques are based on sword attacks, where the uke would be trying to stop you drawing your sword. There are only 11 basic moves in Aikido, but over 50,000 variations :)
Aikido is a huge commitment depending on how much you want to put into it. It is a very interesting martial art and my instructer is still learning after 30 years of training. If you want to be constantly bettering yourself and improving then Aikido is a martial art for you. If you want to be able to think quickly and react to many different dangerous situations then Aikido is a martial art for you :)
I dont practice aikido but as a martial artist you have to understand what they are doing. While how they get hold of a joint is one thing, after that the attacker is doing most of the work cause you make your attacker fight something other than you.
For instance, you pull the person off balance. Now the person is fighting for his balance and not fighting you. This gives the aikido fighter the chance to move unresisted.
Well, it's a training pedagogy as with any other MA, MMA included. Different methods perhaps, but the fundamentals of aikido really aren't too dissimilar from western wrestling or judo, on the physical side. But in my limited experience of all three arts, I've concluded that the rabbit hole in aikido goes much, much deeper, if you can find a legit school. From what I've seen on youtube... good luck!
I know this video is just for fun...and it was almost a year ago :P but i wanted to offer some advice (it's a mistake i see my own students often make) a few times after applying kote gaeshi, the tori seems to have trouble rolling the uke over for the pin. try not dragging the arm OUT STRAIGHT and instead move around the head keeping the arm slightly bent and "cutting" at the elbow so that the rotation is what causes the rest of the body to turn over. anyways, just a point in case it helps
Nice vid, good to see you did it with some resistance. Quick tip: if you have trouble pinning him to to the floor (0:39), then just drop your left knee directly onto his shoulder instead of next to it. (This coming from a guy who does shodokan aikido)
Aikido doesn't work on everyone. Haha. I'm going for an orange belt in august in aikido. I mean, aikido is friggin awesome, I love it but it doesn't work on everyone. My father has sublocating joints and also is a top coach in table tennis. Table tennis requires you to be in a strong balanced position at all times. I've tried and tried, even my senseis have tried to use aikido on him. Failed to have worked. Everyday people it works on. small minority, doesn't :(
Bloddy ignorant u don't have to argue with this folks coz they gona keep saying its fake till they see blood and hear bon crakes lol and for other guys they just gona keep saying faaake coz they envy aikido coz they don't have the soul, spirit and brain to perceive what is really going on!!! At the end as said before i hope each of u guys finds his own goal whatever it is let every one pick his own favorite fruit in peace
Osu..Thanks for uploading this video..I used to practice Aikido and now studying Kyokushin for some reason. It brings back the old memories..Ahhh the uke and tori days..Osu
Really nice video, I enjoyed it. The only suggestion I could make would be to have less "uke-itis" (a disease one contracts in the dojo). The overhead bottle attacks should have intent, and uke should actively withdraw when he can. I.E. in real life you can't just overturn uke when he's on the ground, you have to use the inside of his elbow as center of the leverage circle as you go around his head. And a real attacker would hit you with the other hand if you let him, instead of shielding.
'uke-itis'!! hahahaaha.. that's the best description i've ever heard of the condition. yes, that shall be what i'll call it from now on. haha. i agree that unfortunately, 'uke-itis' occurs far too often during training. IMHO, is quite tricky and paradoxical for most aikido students to get into a serious/realistic attacker mentality which training really needs. i acknowledge 'uke-itis' as a serious epidemic - and am keen to find the cure. ;)
actually with the amount of energy the guy put into the attack.. it would of look like that in real life. THe flips and fast falling are interconnected with how fast the attackes velocity is. the man put in a little.. he gets hurt only a little. IF the man man put in a lot.. he would get hurt a lot. if the man doesn't attack. then their would be no need to deffend. no one gets hurt.. an ideal situation.. an ideal world.
this also depends on how well the practiconer can redirect the energy.
Great job. Not to show if Aikido works or not, but it is very useful for yourselves. I remember the first time I did some freestyle with my Senpai. If I managed to pull through a couple of techniques I was lucky. When you have someone resisting 100% you have to rely on principles no more on techniques.
nice work. exploring is the road to get good, thats what i think. i think you guys are doing pretty good :) keep up the good work, i look forward to the next.
i suggest you have some "rues" so that there are some structure to your experiment.
my idea to implemt without making it look fake and predecided: a form of kamae, a sett of known attacks so to limit down and be specific , then the aftermath of those attacks can be random and raelistic.. this gives you a frame to work with instead of being lost like this.
this not important in exploring things, putting up a set of known attacks will only limit ones own ability to think outside the box ;) but it is essential when practicing in the dojo.
no i didnt mean to box it in , i ment to have SOME framework because otherwise it will be TOO out there and there is absolutely no goal , and it will result in no result.
thank you everyone for your support!! this will likely encourage my friends and i to maybe do a couple more of such vids.. hopefully, we'd improve a bit more by then! lol.
just found out that i apparently wasn't the first person who thought of doing an aikido experiment on video.. the old masters did it in 1952! and they were much better of course. haha. go check it out "aikido 1952 Old Film" or v=G0b6pvwYbUM .
A colleague at my Aikido dojo was attacked in the street by a man with a huge screwdriver and he managed his way out very well. The attacker was injured. We also had a young Aikido student (he started practicing Aikido very young) who was attacked by a gang of young people with knifes. He defended himself and -this is true- after that, he was arrested by the police because the gang accused him of injuries!
flopezlira 1 month ago
Good work. As an Aikido student, I wouldn't like to fight a pugilist and never ever would like to be thrown to the floor with a bjj practitioner. However, when you are on the street, anything can happen, as any serious martial art practitioner knows. A friend of mine was a TKD black belt when challenged by a pugilist. He remembered pugilists are used to get down when they receive an upper punch. He did so and it worked! After that he just kicked this guy (who was a thief by the way).
flopezlira 1 month ago
Good video.
On your kotegaeshi, keep you back straight (good posture). When you are moving into the pin, control their elbow by bending it slightly and moving it over their head.
StormbringerStudios 9 months ago
@Blndrfist i just hope that you are not older than 13 and will feel terribly ashamed for what you wrote here. no respect, dude, and that's never a good way. cheers.
breedingpitmetal 11 months ago
I liked the video. Also I liked a point you have made that in short concludes that its about comparing NOT competing. Also to everyone that is a fan of MMA and brute-force martial arts - try and practice it when your in your 50s when your body is just damaged (or even later). Also if I would have to make a statement and decide what martial art is the best I would put it this way : in a real life situation it all comes down to the person rather then to the martial art.
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@Blndrfist hahaha Gaykido. That's pretty funny. I've also heard Ai-cult-do too. That one made me giggle. Just read this comment and felt compelled to reply (although being a year too late). Blndrfist, not every one has the same motivations. If you just want to practice hurting people then muay thai and BJJ are definitely the way to go. They are extremely effective forms of self defense. As for Aikido, maybe it works, maybe it doesnt. Personally, I don't give a rats arse. Its fun, so who cares?
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@Blndrfist hahaha Gaykido. That's pretty funny. I've also heard Ai-cult-do too. That one made me giggle. Just read this comment and felt compelled to reply (although being a year too late). Blndrfist, not every one has the same motivations. If you just want to practice hurting people then muay thai and BJJ are definitely the way to go. They are extremely effective forms of self defense. As for Aikido, maybe it works, maybe it doesnt. Personally, I don't give a rats arse. Its fun so who cares?
bender12879 1 year ago
@Blndrfist @Blndrfist hahaha Gaykido. That's pretty funny. I've also heard Ai-cult-do too. That one made me giggle. Just read this comment and felt compelled to reply (although being a year too late). Blndrfist, not every one has the same motivations. If you just want to practice hurting people then muay thai and BJJ are definitely the way to go. They are extremely effective forms of self defense. As for Aikido, maybe it works, maybe it doesnt. Personally, I don't give a rats arse. Its fun!
bender12879 1 year ago
@Blndrfist hahaha Gaykido. That's pretty funny. I've also heard Ai-cult-do too. That one made me giggle. Just read this comment and felt compelled to reply (although being a year too late). Blndrfist, not every one has the same motivations. If you just want to practice hurting people then muay thai and BJJ are definitely the way to go. They are extremely effective forms of self defense. As for Aikido, maybe it works, maybe it doesnt. Personally, I don't give a rats arse. Its fun, so who cares?
bender12879 1 year ago
great to see aikido used in real life. isn't that part of Morihei wanted to see? that this method of keeping peace even in strife be used in the real world, and not just in a dojo? we need more practicing aikido in their word, deed, and dealing with increasingly frustrated people in the world.
sacredfeeling29 1 year ago
@Blndrfist Guy, you're 41, when do you grow up? Or maybe you were 40 back then, that's not the kind of language you should be using.
And seriously, "Gaykido? you're falling almost as low as consolefanboys.
Seriously, grow up, learn things about martial arts. Then come back.
Shadowmov3r 1 year ago 5
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@Blndrfist Now go beat your head off a wall :)
thezodiac20 1 year ago
@Blndfist to imitate a sword strike (shomen) what u didnt know this art is based around weapons techs and making them into H2H techs oh and what u dont relise is these guys are early grades and can only do basic techs but when they reach dan grades they will be training in realistic fighting e.g a straight coming fist or a right hook also kicking....the idea of ungraded and kyu grades is to prepare them for the start of learning the Aikido way (dan) the you really learn.....
thezodiac20 1 year ago
@Blndrfist Now this is "out of date" if u actually did ur research in Aikido you would find it isnt a art thats ment for all out attack its ment to defend against a attacker simply without hurting them too bad :P oh and the fakeness u see lol lets jus say while i am still learning to get my Ukemi right (falling) i can tell u the force in which u are thrown at my dojo really hurts if you dont know how to take it...also attacking is based on sword strikes hence the from head cut to imitate a....
thezodiac20 1 year ago
nice video love the bleach music nice touch
OverlordLaharl2 1 year ago
@kommisar Nothing will be accomplished until you actually try it for yourself and then formulate an intelligent opinion.
Ronnock 1 year ago
Oh they fall down during sparring, it's just not so pretty looking or flamboyant. If they're demonstrating or just "practicing" their techniques, they usually fall in the manner that you perceive as "ridiculous". I think you should re-read my post about how if they didn't fall in that manner, there would be a lot of injured Aikidokans around the world. When you train, you're not training to not be able to train for awhile, you're training to make yourself better. Getting injured is non-conducive
Ronnock 1 year ago
What sparring, jackass? There is none in shitkido. They merely do stupid LARP sessions where a bunch of guys fall on their asses without putting up any sort of fight or resistance. It's pure quackery. There's a difference between safe falling and intentional, deliberate falling, you clown. Real grapplers can fall down safely while resisting and being thrown or taken down at full force, so your claim that they are just being "safe" is pure horseshit.
kommisar 1 year ago
@kommisar They're entirely two different styles of grappling. One is wrist based and the other is shoot-based. Of course the shooting is going to look more "intense" and if the wrist had the same intensity, I guarantee you that (like I've said before) there would be hundreds of severely injured Aikidokans all over the world. And you've evidently never tried actually sparring or watching two Aikidokans spar for yourself in real life--at least, competent fighters--. It's never the art.
Ronnock 1 year ago
Whether they grab the wrist, the legs, the arm, the shoulders or the gi is irrelevant. They fall on purpose because these stupid fantasy moves don't work. Shitkido is completely unrealistic. No fight EVER happens the way portrayed in a shitkido video. A guy is not going to lunge at you, let you grab his wrist, move around a little bit and then throw himself on the ground. That's not reality in the slightest. It's fucking bullshit which doesn't work.
kommisar 1 year ago
@kommisar It's pretty self-evident that you haven't invested the time to research the span and breadth of Aikido videos, material, and literature on youtube and or in real life. It's unfortunate to say the least.
Ronnock 1 year ago
@kommisar I want to state that I'm done quarreling with you because it's utterly pointless. Even if I told you to go to a serious and genuine Aikido dojo and "resist" their wrist-locks and elbow-locks to see if you wouldn't "fall", you could just respond to that (lying), saying you did and how it doesn't work. Even if you posted a video of yourself supposedly resisting an Aikidokan's defenses, how am I to know he's not in it or if that's even you in the supposable video?
Ronnock 1 year ago
If all the haters here wish to see aikido used in "real life", please, I implore you and direct you to watch any videos of cops detaining suspects and criminals. They may not move in the circular motions that the Aikidokans move in, but if you look closely, you can see the exact same wrist, elbow, and shoulder manipulations found in "gaykido".
Ronnock 1 year ago
great job but in real life u will break that arm or wrist and get out of there u dnt pin in real life. make sure to get rid of the weapon so the opponent doesnt get it too
areatagger94 1 year ago
Watching this and reading the reviews, I found myself less concerned with the long-standing debate about whether or not Aikido is effective in combat, and more interested in the motives and values of the creator of this video contrasted with those of his detractors. It's said that one aim of martial arts is to develop oneself as a person, and regrettably a number of people seem to be developing into brutes. Given the choice of whom to associate with, I'd sooner be friends with an Aikidoka!
Tigerpaws9097826 1 year ago
maybe you mean shitkido
elsuplementos 1 year ago
great video, simple and applied no exotic looks kind of what would happen in real. you may want to do some others like 2vs1 or 3vs1. Thanks for share!
m3la5oplaz 1 year ago
Hey guys,
Good job on the experiment. I personally find the demonstrations of Aikido unconvincing as they only seem to work in a staged setting/attack. I have been looking for real outcomes and it seems you filled this need very well with your video.
Pinckney12 2 years ago
haha yes, probily it would look like this :D
"Hey, you're attacking me with wrong hand!"
3pike 2 years ago
buenam muy bien, es la realidad, peleas de calle
manolifer 2 years ago
Want to find out how aikido can be used in "real life"? (I have NO idea why you put "real life" in quotes. I guess it's such a foreign concept to you after living in Aikido Fantasy Land for so long.) You guys square off with some protective gear on and have at it, 'cause minus the protective gear that's what happens in real life fights. No one is going to charge into you and willingly fly through the air as soon as you touch their wrists. This is what always pisses me off about aikido vids.
kommisar 2 years ago
flying is the only way to avoid broken wrists
delirio1987 2 years ago 2
Of course it is. An aikido student has to love falling on the ground by his own volition. If he doesn't fall voluntarily, the absurd trick "doesn't work". Aikido students are taught this from day one to keep them stupefied and compliant so they don't come to the obvious conclusion that they're training in pure bullshit. You idiots seem to have so much trouble breaking anyone's wrist, compliant aikido practitioner or not.
kommisar 2 years ago
i understand you are a moron and you know nothing of what you are talking about. the argument is closed, go trolling somewere else...
delirio1987 2 years ago
I understand you're a jackass credophile who loves play acting and fantasy. It's no wonder you absurd aikido dipshits never prove your art's effectiveness: you have none. Run along and play with your coloring books, you little bitch.
kommisar 2 years ago
haha, man, i'm not an aikidoka, i'm a karate brown belt and a now i'm training jujutsu. i can say, however, that principles of aikido apply to real life. have you ever tried getting caught in a kotegaeshi? of course not, otherwise you wouldn't talk like that
delirio1987 2 years ago
If you think that, then you either train at some piece of shit mcdojo or you don't train at all. No, aikido principles do not apply to real fighting. They are contrived, absurd dance moves meant for play acting and compliance. It's no wonder aikido "fighters" avoid competitions at all costs while claiming their moves will work; they don't want to have their stupid art exposed for the fraud it is. Fuck off back to your cartoons, you shitstain.
kommisar 2 years ago
@kommisar Actually, the Ukes fall down in a manner that seems "whimsical", because if they didn't, there'd be a lot of injured Aikidokans all across the globe. I hope that helps you to better understand the "Art of Falling."
Ronnock 1 year ago
i see. So they fall down in the same manner when they're sparring? I'd like to see a video of that because I think you're full of shit, you ass.
In regards to your other comment, no, cops do not use shitkido. The stuff you see them use during arrests has been around for decades and is standard practice, including in departments that DON'T train in any shitkido. This crap is useless for real fighting, not that you'd know since you, like any other shitkido LARPer, don't fight....
kommisar 1 year ago
@kommisar Please, don't pretend to act like you know me or my martial background.
Cops have been training in these methods for decades, because, maybe, it's been around for centuries? Human anatomy and physiology is pretty much universal on a gross musculoskeletal perspective. So, lock, holds, throws, etc., are going to be very similar across a broad range of martial arts. Ergo, the techniques that are taught to cops, SF, SWAT, Rangers, etc., are going to be from some traditional art.
Ronnock 1 year ago
What cops have been training in to subdue and arrest suspects is standard, universal techniques that are practiced by departments all over the world. None of what they learn is shitkido-specific as departments who have no shitkido instructor around learn the same things. There goes your silly claim that cops use shitkido.
kommisar 1 year ago
@kommisar But that doesn't mean that they don't. If it's "Universal", doesn't the "Universe" encompass "shitkido"?
(In case you were wondering, that was a rhetorical question).
Ronnock 1 year ago
I can't understand your idiot babbling. Shitkido is not used by cops simply because you see some training in it. Taking a guy to the ground and putting his wrist on his spine is a standard practice by cops all over the world. This isn't the mark of shitkido. Shitkido doesn't fucking work in reality. It is LARPing and quackery. There are videos of actual shitkido practitioners in fights and you don't see them use any of these bullshit throws. Grow up.
kommisar 1 year ago
@kommisar Aikido is a philosophy of harmony, whether by violence or by discourse. Cops try to deescalate situations usually with verbal discourse before physically (if necessary) apprehending a non-compliant suspect. If it contains wrist-locks, elbow-locks, and or shoulder-locks, then it has Aikido (as well as many other arts) in it. I'm the one who needs to grow up? I think you need to reevaluate what you said and its context, pertinent to this discussion.
Ronnock 1 year ago
These are red herrings. The argument here is whether this shit works, not the "philosophy of harmony" behind it. The fact is it doesn't. Show us one video of this crap working on a resisting opponent. No doubt you will make up an excuse for why no such video exists. Deluded believers like you stick your head in the sand when your bullshit is challenged.
kommisar 1 year ago
Great video.
True spirit of Aikido, fun and as effective as you want it to be.
My history is from Kung Fu, since 1981, and have just started Aikido. Loving every minute of it. Thanks for the vid.
G6PBS 2 years ago
thanks bud! i'm happy to see another fellow traveller =) i would love to learn from your experience... may our paths cross someday.
lordosaya 2 years ago
when doing a Kotegaishi, never do a very big circle, concentrate a jolt of energy in a small fluid circle.... so your form will not look so sloppy, and will not consume more time.. this might contradict other schools, but this is what I've been taught and believed that works.
stephen182006 2 years ago
"out of date" is defined by wikitionary as "Not current, outmoded, out of style, or too old to be used".
and if you read my msg properly, i said i was "keen to experiment with people outside my circle", not have "a sparring match". the motives are quite different.
if you're happy to set that up, i'll be quite happy to video tape it. sounds fun. ideally, i'd rather it be with you, but i understand that sometimes other commitments get in the way. oh, i'm in Hobart, Tasmania by the way.
lordosaya 2 years ago 3
hiya Blndrfist, it's been a while! sure has taken you a while to go through my videos eh? yeah - this was done with my mates about a year ago already. massively out of date. i'm always keen to experiment with people outside my circle - just not sure where to look. are you keen? the next time you come Down Under, give me a holler and I'll whip out my vidcam. hope you're not camera shy! cheers mate.
lordosaya 2 years ago 4
oh no imean bleach. lmaoo
MrPinoy91 2 years ago
Naruto. lmao
MrPinoy91 2 years ago
First off, in this post I am not going to be using exact spelling because I do not know the proper spelling for most of the techniques.
You are telling me that you can't do anything useful to take down the oponent from chudan ski? From that I would immediately think of Udikiminagi, and break the elbow whilst throwing them over my hip. Another thing is if you are being grabbed by the collar etc, I would just use either Nikyo or Rokyo depending on the shoulder that has been grabbed, painful eh?
VanillaBearBeeston 2 years ago
I have to say this was really fun watching this. I have trained since I was 5 and have been doing so for 10 years now. I am currently a Blue Belt and found this a very intuitive video, and had some key techniques in which was good to watch.
VanillaBearBeeston 2 years ago
your a blue belt after 10 years?
wwechamp7 2 years ago
Yes, I am a junior and in UKA you have to go through "tags" to grade. In otherwords, 3 "tags" before you can go up a belt. I am guessing you would think I was a higher grade? Another reason is that you can't get a blackbelt until you are 18 and you have to have had Brown belt for atleast a year before you can do your first Dan grade. So as I started at 5, they had to slow down gradings so it wasn't very boring and was only brown belt for like 4 or 5 years :)
VanillaBearBeeston 2 years ago
Pretty good for just playing around. You blended fairly well, I bet you guys would become effective with proper training. Keep it up and keep it real. I have been doing Aikido for 7 yrs. When your technique is good, your Aikido is effective. You have to adapt to your attacker. If one technique isn't working, switch to another. Train realistically. You fight like you train. Learn proper technique and speed it up to real time. Keep a game face when training.
insaneduane 2 years ago
Nice job, osaya, continual practice is the best way to get in touch with this art. You're fortunate to have people who are so willing to work out like this.
dojomania 2 years ago
i loved that video and this is the way for the best of aikido.
im a aikido trainner ^^
Yashirow 2 years ago
this is for those who share the mind set of our appropriatly named friend "young"uysallset. the purpose of MA is to train to respond accordingly to a threat. there r 2 ways to do this, get in a ring & get ur head kicked in by some1 & hope u learn something or simulate threats & techniques so u can practice & come back the next day to train again. aikido is like maths, ur given the formula, dont blame it if u cant apply it properly in different situations. develop an aikido mind not just body! :D
1zxking1 2 years ago
there are some untrue in this video... because they have practice these fight before. But it's not mean that Aikido is useless.... I have seen my friend use Aikido to attack 5 other guys when they fought my friend. And that the reason why I'm learning Aikido now. Before I have been black belt (2dan) in Taekwondo, I tried to hit my friend but I couldn't cash or hit him... so I think if you want to become a good Aikido fighter you should train in real life, with someone who is a good fighter......
adam010192 2 years ago
hi youguysallset. i was just wondering as to which aikido dojo do you train with? have you trained with any other dojo before?
you must have started pretty young to have trained for 7 years. i'm also wondering why have you committed yourself to it for such a long time if you find it useless? cheers.
lordosaya 3 years ago
Yeah, i'm not saying i could do the things that they can, but it's just ridiculous the way the attackers approach the defender - Aikido would be the coolest thing ive ever seen if a defender could do this kinda stuff when someones really trying to lamp em one
elmabullaz 3 years ago
Hey i'm not bad mouthing the artform here but seriously - this pisses me off. I understand how cool aikido is BUT every move more or less starts with the enemy HANDING you his body part for you to then joint lock etc. That's simply not realistic, while youre very good once you have hold of the arm, it's not a simple case of the enemy sayin' " heres my arm for you to break to fuck" or whatever, surely?!
elmabullaz 3 years ago
elmabullaz, you have quite an acute observation. =) however, whilst what you see may be true, your interpretation of what happens isn't accurate. almost all aikido moves begin with tai sabaki - roughly translated into 'evasion', which has several effects, including exposing the attacker's blind side and/or throwing off his balance. hence, if one pulls it off correctly, the 'attacker' looks like he's doing all the work. compare an experienced aikidoka vs. a n00b and you will see the difference ;)
lordosaya 3 years ago
Hey yeah i understand that it looks like the attacker is doing all the work, and i'm guessing that is why Aikido is so effective in the first place. But all the Aikido videos i've seen never seem to start with the attack throwing an actual punch. A punch is much more quick and unpredictable, i'd just like to see it applied to more realistic, hard or unpredictable punches.
elmabullaz 3 years ago
traditional aikido techniques are based on sword attacks, hence the low emphasis on punches and kicks. there are of course some aikidoka who try to add certain elements into their own practice. if you are really keen to see who aikido deals with a boxer-type punch, see this channel by "kyushoaikiguy". i don't know him personally but he normally demonstrates his techniques with his uke thowing punches to the face. have a look. cheers.
lordosaya 3 years ago
I know when my family was looking at moving to canada and we went over there for a few weeks, we looked at Aikido Clubs, and one we found wasn't traditional Aikido, but Hupkido. It is based around Aikido, but the main form of training is through real life situations. As Lordosaya said, the traditional aikido techniques are based on sword attacks, where the uke would be trying to stop you drawing your sword. There are only 11 basic moves in Aikido, but over 50,000 variations :)
VanillaBearBeeston 2 years ago
Argh, sorry they were supposed to be replies to other comments :(
VanillaBearBeeston 2 years ago
oh wow it only takes like 3 and a half years to ecome blackbelt in my martial art lol
wwechamp7 2 years ago
Aikido is a huge commitment depending on how much you want to put into it. It is a very interesting martial art and my instructer is still learning after 30 years of training. If you want to be constantly bettering yourself and improving then Aikido is a martial art for you. If you want to be able to think quickly and react to many different dangerous situations then Aikido is a martial art for you :)
VanillaBearBeeston 2 years ago
I dont practice aikido but as a martial artist you have to understand what they are doing. While how they get hold of a joint is one thing, after that the attacker is doing most of the work cause you make your attacker fight something other than you.
pimpstrocity 3 years ago 2
For instance, you pull the person off balance. Now the person is fighting for his balance and not fighting you. This gives the aikido fighter the chance to move unresisted.
pimpstrocity 3 years ago 2
I know right, I studied aikido for a few months it's okay, My friend and I call it GRAB MY WRIST!
q89xu 3 years ago
Well, it's a training pedagogy as with any other MA, MMA included. Different methods perhaps, but the fundamentals of aikido really aren't too dissimilar from western wrestling or judo, on the physical side. But in my limited experience of all three arts, I've concluded that the rabbit hole in aikido goes much, much deeper, if you can find a legit school. From what I've seen on youtube... good luck!
jprof 3 years ago
This and your video explaining the rolling are great, Lordsaya! Thank you for making such great videos!
patrickhenrysghost 3 years ago
this video reminds me of some outside training that a friend of mine and i used to enjoy :p
aikijeremy 3 years ago
I know this video is just for fun...and it was almost a year ago :P but i wanted to offer some advice (it's a mistake i see my own students often make) a few times after applying kote gaeshi, the tori seems to have trouble rolling the uke over for the pin. try not dragging the arm OUT STRAIGHT and instead move around the head keeping the arm slightly bent and "cutting" at the elbow so that the rotation is what causes the rest of the body to turn over. anyways, just a point in case it helps
aikijeremy 3 years ago
loving your vids
cant wait to go to trainig in one hour 0)
Toby48624 3 years ago
dukeeeee the music is great! what is the name of the song ????
aznlancer 3 years ago
Nice vid, good to see you did it with some resistance. Quick tip: if you have trouble pinning him to to the floor (0:39), then just drop your left knee directly onto his shoulder instead of next to it. (This coming from a guy who does shodokan aikido)
johntrin 3 years ago
great vid!
Alcarin1159 3 years ago
it's only natural, after all the anatomy of the human body is the same for everyone, so the same moves work all over the world.
Kantzarakos 3 years ago
Aikido doesn't work on everyone. Haha. I'm going for an orange belt in august in aikido. I mean, aikido is friggin awesome, I love it but it doesn't work on everyone. My father has sublocating joints and also is a top coach in table tennis. Table tennis requires you to be in a strong balanced position at all times. I've tried and tried, even my senseis have tried to use aikido on him. Failed to have worked. Everyday people it works on. small minority, doesn't :(
AikidoDaniel 2 years ago
Seems like you had a lot of fun doing that. Congrats!! Great Vid.
It seems you lost focus at a time and looks very much like a dojo practice. But great job anyway.
tiagosolo 3 years ago
great video!!!
nelsonx9 3 years ago
Bloddy ignorant u don't have to argue with this folks coz they gona keep saying its fake till they see blood and hear bon crakes lol and for other guys they just gona keep saying faaake coz they envy aikido coz they don't have the soul, spirit and brain to perceive what is really going on!!! At the end as said before i hope each of u guys finds his own goal whatever it is let every one pick his own favorite fruit in peace
MOOO05 3 years ago
Osu..Thanks for uploading this video..I used to practice Aikido and now studying Kyokushin for some reason. It brings back the old memories..Ahhh the uke and tori days..Osu
sushiman28 3 years ago
nice, keep going
MajSmJz 3 years ago
it would be interesting thoough if u tried it with an uke that doesn't practise aikido so that they would be less cooperative. maybe ill try it. lol
fartboyjim 3 years ago
let me know how that goes! g'luck!
lordosaya 3 years ago
nice video man
fartboyjim 3 years ago
excellent real-life techniques.
thanks.
nagasama75 3 years ago
The cure to ukeitis is to have uke put on a pair of boxing gloves try to kick tori's ass.
Nightmonkey17 3 years ago
Really nice video, I enjoyed it. The only suggestion I could make would be to have less "uke-itis" (a disease one contracts in the dojo). The overhead bottle attacks should have intent, and uke should actively withdraw when he can. I.E. in real life you can't just overturn uke when he's on the ground, you have to use the inside of his elbow as center of the leverage circle as you go around his head. And a real attacker would hit you with the other hand if you let him, instead of shielding.
shihonage 3 years ago
'uke-itis'!! hahahaaha.. that's the best description i've ever heard of the condition. yes, that shall be what i'll call it from now on. haha. i agree that unfortunately, 'uke-itis' occurs far too often during training. IMHO, is quite tricky and paradoxical for most aikido students to get into a serious/realistic attacker mentality which training really needs. i acknowledge 'uke-itis' as a serious epidemic - and am keen to find the cure. ;)
lordosaya 3 years ago
actually with the amount of energy the guy put into the attack.. it would of look like that in real life. THe flips and fast falling are interconnected with how fast the attackes velocity is. the man put in a little.. he gets hurt only a little. IF the man man put in a lot.. he would get hurt a lot. if the man doesn't attack. then their would be no need to deffend. no one gets hurt.. an ideal situation.. an ideal world.
this also depends on how well the practiconer can redirect the energy.
MrPinoy91 4 years ago
Great job. Not to show if Aikido works or not, but it is very useful for yourselves. I remember the first time I did some freestyle with my Senpai. If I managed to pull through a couple of techniques I was lucky. When you have someone resisting 100% you have to rely on principles no more on techniques.
charyuop 4 years ago 2
nice work. exploring is the road to get good, thats what i think. i think you guys are doing pretty good :) keep up the good work, i look forward to the next.
Devoti 4 years ago
i suggest you have some "rues" so that there are some structure to your experiment.
my idea to implemt without making it look fake and predecided: a form of kamae, a sett of known attacks so to limit down and be specific , then the aftermath of those attacks can be random and raelistic.. this gives you a frame to work with instead of being lost like this.
Aur0rah 4 years ago
this not important in exploring things, putting up a set of known attacks will only limit ones own ability to think outside the box ;) but it is essential when practicing in the dojo.
Devoti 4 years ago
no i didnt mean to box it in , i ment to have SOME framework because otherwise it will be TOO out there and there is absolutely no goal , and it will result in no result.
Aur0rah 4 years ago
thank you everyone for your support!! this will likely encourage my friends and i to maybe do a couple more of such vids.. hopefully, we'd improve a bit more by then! lol.
lordosaya 4 years ago
Awesome job Osaya! Impressive. Love the Bleach theme, in there as well. :)
om3gaz28 4 years ago
hoho~ u noticed. good on ya ;)
lordosaya 4 years ago
nice one!
FEARxenon21 4 years ago
thanks for the vid dude. spares me the trouble of trying to get my friends to play guinea pigs. i just started on aikido myself :D
helleporter 4 years ago
just found out that i apparently wasn't the first person who thought of doing an aikido experiment on video.. the old masters did it in 1952! and they were much better of course. haha. go check it out "aikido 1952 Old Film" or v=G0b6pvwYbUM .
lordosaya 4 years ago
Nice vid!
geting89 4 years ago
good idea, well done
askerde 4 years ago
You seem to be really enjoying yourself. I might have to take some outdoor physical sport later on. Hahaha...
I recommend the band "Abingdon Boys School" for the bg music. You might like them...
Cheers!!
hayvernlim 4 years ago