Ocean Energy Launch (Part-1)

[lcabosa]

OTEC is perfect not to provide energy but was a mean to produce WATER , is the cold end or the siphon of energy, all work comes from energy diference, now use otec energy to pump cold water to the top of an updraft tower and get the water from condensation of the vapor in the air flux of the updraft. i´m that clever??

[442hoeky]

Here it is just over 4 years after this video was made and global warming has turned out to be a hoax. Cheap, clean energy is still something we need to research - but it needs to be CHEAP as well as clean.

[lcabosa]

@442hoeky a hoax?? ahaha can u fell yourself ?, is easy to see the climate is changing.and about energy, we need infinite energy...

[442hoeky]

@lcabosa I said in my post we need new forms of clean energy - but it has to cost effective. The Global warming hoax was designed largely by people looking to get rich off of expensive alternate forms of energy and the band wagon was jumped on by environmentalists who want less pollution but know nobody cares about pollution unless there's a physical scare attached to it. Remember acid rain? The rain forests being cut down by McDonald's? The hole in the o-zone?

[lcabosa]

@442hoeky so don't mix things, there's a global weather change problem, and there's a campaigner program from someone to get dividends from it. we need a major solution, we are facing now problems that begun sense first urbanization start to appear on the surface of the globe. Not some devices or even infinite energy can solve it, we need to change.

[442hoeky]

@lcabosa I guess I just refuse to change the system by going broke myself and leveraging the cost of the rest on following generations. If governments want to clean up the planet, then good, I'm all for it. So figure out a way to do it that doesn't cripple the west while China and India continue to pollute as they please, filling Walmart with their junk. Also, figure out a way to do it that doesn't involve me going to the poor house. Finally, lose the scare tactic propaganda.

[lcabosa]

@442hoeky why do u give so importance to them?? i`m figuring out a way, but is a massive change , not for our generation, the problem is our urbanization, energy source and recycling materials,i´m drawing a city that delivers solutions for that, so use your brain and think something different and new that maybe one day can inspire others to change, if not War will..., heheh.

[442hoeky]

@lcabosa Well, you touched on the best solution, of course - war (not that it's a GOOD solution!). The biggest problem with this planet is there are too many people and we continue to multiply like bacteria. I'm not saying war is a good thing, but if you want to save the planet, best to get rid of most of the humans! Only problem there is finding volunteers... not it!

[lcabosa]

@442hoeky war is the normal path,plenty of pseudo volunteers,War was fun but i think now we are scare of it , we need to focus with the same commitment and effort to something else that will benifite us all, we don't need to rid of humans, we need 1 trillion humans, this planet was potential for that.combine in a structure our needs and nature needs, i call that paradise. and yes is possible we have already sense it many times.

[u3b93]

OTEC may be inefficient to many, the day its the only energy available and the dirty fossil fuels have been used up you will see the process optimised.

[johny260]

hawaii? no wonder they scrapped it. they have geothermal

[MovingUpp]

global warming is largely a farce.

[radarlove007]

Reagan also took down the solar cells on the White House that Jimmy Cater had installed to show big oil he had their back.

[ncbookz]

there has never been an energy crisis! ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!

nor a water shortage nor a food shortage it is all man made or devil made see my web site and you will see the truth behind free energy

[MarineRenewables]

Love this video!

[faerydhhlo]

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[kamkamieie]

オタクだね

[carmatic]

i dont get it, wouldnt the energy required to pump the cold water up from the depths kind of offset the energy you can get from the thermal expansion/contraction of the working fluid?

i mean, isnt there a reason the cold water is seperated from the warm water in the first place, because it lacked the energy to mix the warm and cold waters...

[tmtyler]

You use the temperature difference to drive a heat engine - nothing to do with thermal expansion.

[Raimon2K6]

Puerto Rico is a much better platform for OTEC than Hawaii. This means ENERGY INDEPENDENCE.

[jas03000]

Damn Big Oil

[pirejknf]

When was this video made?

[007bmac]

1980-81 was the production date. The project worked but was discontinued by the then Reagan administration.

[tinramm]

why was it cancelled?

[Golgo13ThePro]

One of Reagan's first acts as President was to remove the solar panels on the White House roof that Carter had put up there.

According to Reagan, alternative sources of energy were a waste of time. He helped us become more dependent on oil.

[the13joker]

Damn Reagan and those Republicans.

[hablerz]

@the13joker lol , Reagan took the solar panels off the white house lawn aswell. The guy was totally against renewables.

[AMilitantAgnostic]

@the13joker 50 months of economic growth - longest in American history - Reagan had his good points too...

Now think about this -- the only time a large industry has to worry about Government regulations is when that industry fails to contribute enough $ to one of the parties. As long as they pay, it's hands off.

Gov regulations are the tools used by large companies to monopolize markets.

[the13joker]

@AMilitantAgnostic so its all about politics, thanks for clearing that out.

[AMilitantAgnostic]

@the13joker oh no the OTEC technology is horribly inefficient - at the time this video was made the estimates were as high as 7% but the reality was more like 1%-3% - why were they so far off? Over zealous scientist and engineers fudged the math to get the grant money. You can tell from the video this was much more hopeful thinking than good science.

[the13joker]

@AMilitantAgnostic its good to get additional information from others that have more knowledge, thanks for sharing my friend. feel free to keep me posted.

[u3b93]

@AMilitantAgnostic Burning fossil fuels in piston engines is only 20 ~ 28 % efficient. Nuclear may be the most efficient to you, but its also the most polluting example Fukushima when things go wrong.

[AMilitantAgnostic]

@u3b93 Nice attempt at putting words in my mouth so you have something you can say "your wrong" to... Was any part of the conversation about me wanting Nuclear power to be the main stay? Come on when you try to argue like that it just makes you look augmentative. The only companies looking at OTEC type projects are companies that want grants no one is willing to invest in this at this point.

[u3b93]

@AMilitantAgnostic What do you mean by "Over zealous scientist and engineers fudged the math . . ."? You are wrong to say that people experimenting with OTEC were only after the grant money. This technology is still under development. Have you been victimised by the OTEC industry?

[MercComet73]

Wow this showes me we need to become a socalist country and get rid of the old idea of money. Money lust has killed alot of people and I prefer air with oxygen in it doesn't anyone get this.

[ycats1000]

socialism is way worse...

there may be no money lust but there's a freakshow of power lust, and thats not only ugly but very dangerous-

best we just get on with our lives and get things done, we don't need people to force us to work hard we do it because we are worth something...

carter was the best thing to ever happen to america

[theinsane101]

yea socialism is bad. i would rather pay for public schools.

[ycats1000]

with socialism you pay for all sorts of shit you never even need, like state run companies that run on pure fat alone, and never even make a profit... let alone technical advances-

america has done EXTREMELY WELL this century, they've pulled the entire world hundreds of years into the future with innovation after innovation....

it's a powerhouse of change!

[SONBoomer]

OK, but Capitalism isn't really made forever...

After a time, it'll became out of date and wasting...

Heard about "The End of Suburbia"?

[ycats1000]

@SONBoomer it's been around for thousands of years though-

getting rid of it would mean starting over...

if anything society has just reached a plateau, where we are comfortable

consuming.

but many of us are beginning to see we need to push forward

[ycats1000]

@theinsane101 you pay for public schools anyway...

if you want to give 80% of your salary to the state go ahead-

but nothing is free in this world, you'll pay one way or another

[swunt10]

@ycats1000 "a freakshow of power lust, and thats not only ugly but very dangerous."

don't you think america already has this problem? socialism or faked democracy? maybe you should try social democracy. same problems but at least poor people don't die because they don't have food, a home or healthcare.

[ycats1000]

@swunt10 it's a debate thats been going on all through time...

having central control, like a dictatorship, accelerates a country's wealth and technical growth.

but it hits a wall were it starts to slow down, as there is no freedom, and most good ideas are a result of personal freedoms-

it's just about balance, in a war personal freedom is actually very dangerous as people need to band together and fight, but in peaceful times, leaders need to let go so the people can go in all directions

[vmorgun]

@ycats1000 POWER LUST FTW

[AMilitantAgnostic]

@ycats1000 Jimmy Carters legacy? 22% interest rate on home loans - and American industry in shambles.

[squashmilk123]

@ycats1000  fuck you

[melglen1]

@007bmac typical republican corruption

[UncleKennybobs]

@pirejknf It clearly says in the first 8 seconds of the video.

[stereooptics]

Part2 is called:

Ocean Energy Platform historic deployment (11/1980)

[stereooptics]

Thanks for putting this up. I am a big fan of OTEC, looking forward to the future...