REF4M by Blake Vogt - Torn & Restored Card Trick :: theory11

[papercraneproduction]

I saw this live and was completely fooled. Congrats Blake!

[joshgillespiewolf]

The only way i like to do this is with 4 spectators, so you can rip the card into 4 for all of them, or use the idea behind why darwin ortiz DOESNT like tnr, as a justification for ripping it.

[andyjaystuff]

Got this the other day. So sick.

Sure, the ending is a bit of a downer, but you will never find a trick thats as angle free, as impromptu and as clean as this and still be able to hand out the card after.

I 100% recommend this trick. It's clean, and with a bit of practice, you could wow anyone, anywhere, with a single, ungimmicked card.

Amazing.

[oscrrrrr]

It is ingenious. Yes, perhaps the ending is not like other torn and restored cards, but the fact that its impromptu and can be signed is a gem in itself.

[90129081]

does this dvd have like a routine or just a single trick

[arunananth10]

@90129081 DVD? If memory serves, it is a download.

[JaceTheMagician]

@arunananth10 It's both

[tttfoxhound]

incredible effect, i truly was in awe, but is was totally anti-climactic, i think that they should mention that the card is destroyed inmediately...but honestly it is a good effect

[krishkid]

so no gimmick improtu no setup just a deck of cards and your hands?

[jimmygee5]

@krishkid yup :) and it can be done surrounded :D

[liberalguy513]

I lost all respect for anything put out by Theory 11 after they ripped off Steve Dusheck. 

[James1Wise]

I bought it and love it! Haters gonna hate but this effect is awesome!

[krishkid]

can u hand it out instead of tearing up the card at the end?

[MrJigglePass]

@krishkid Nope :)

[Featherly1989]

What I dont understand is why did he put the "F" in REF4M if he was going to use a "4"?? - Ref form

[ChrisParnel]

its not even restored its just resting there

[KREATORSofficial]

shit

[edansamano]

what the hell rippin the cards again?

[shindude5]

starting to think that the creases at the edges of the rips have something to do with it...

[elctrofreak]

This should be a tnrnd(torn n restored n destroyed).

[canadiandaniel]

i think people are forgetting what a magicians best tool is. it's not his slights, or his cards, or his coins... its is patter and presintation of the effect that he shows. hell i messed up once on reset, and showed too many cards and covered right up with patter and they didn't notice a thing. Theres soo many ways to cover up the ending. maybe do like a dejavu thing where you are moving in reverse or something. just try it for people and you can see that they really don't care if you tear it up

[James1Wise]

I really don't see the problem with that. I really don't. magicians are making such a big deal for no reason. They need to realize that spectators won't question it. They'll think it's amazing because of what you just did!

[jimmygee5]

@FunnyCowboyDance dude, i think it's for difference's people, a lot of people love impromtu stuff but don't care mcu about it, people may by a gimmick guy and wants it perfect. everyones different. i do respect ur opinion but i don't think u should criticize people

[SleightIllusions]

@FunnyCowboyDance No matter how amazing an effect is, if the spectator isnt completely amazed and reacts to what happenned then its a waste of time to even perform it. i agree with you on how its stupid how you cant hand it out as a whole, but the effect has taken place. you destroyed something, then put it back together. i perform this often and the reactions are amazing. you walk away and the spectators remember you forever. that is a powerful effect. THAT is magic

[FunnyCowboyDance]

@SleightIllusions So why not instead perform one where you CAN hand out the card. There are dozens.

[SleightIllusions]

@FunnyCowboyDance well if you are constantly prepared for it then sure why not. even then most TnR's out there cannot be performed surrounded and many require gimmicks. this is just a nice effect that you can perform anytime, anywhere, for as many people as you want.

im not saying its the best one out there but it is still pretty good

[FunnyCowboyDance]

@SleightIllusions Paul Harris's. There. The tearing procedure on this is just not convincing. I've had laymen watch the video and flat-out describe the entire method, upon watching it once. My point is, it's all fine and dandy that he created his own method, but why market something when there are objectively superior versions available?

And you know what? The more convincing duplicate card methods, where the card CAN be handed out--you're always prepared for those too.

[SleightIllusions]

@FunnyCowboyDance Well its pretty obvious that were never going to come to an agreement so theres really no point in sitting here and arguing. we are all entitled to our own opinions. you have yours and i have mine. lets just leave it at that and have a good night

[FunnyCowboyDance]

@SleightIllusions Alrighty.

[James1Wise]

@FunnyCowboyDance why market it? Because not everyone wants to do a trick with a dup or gimmicks and not everyone is always prepared everytime to do a tnr effect on the spot where this trick you can. I'm sure the point of this dvd isn't to change the world of tnr effects but to give them something else incase you need it. It's the same as why would someone market several different types of card controls when there are already several controls out there, same thing: different methods for people

[FunnyCowboyDance]

@James1Wise This is 100% different from a control. Controls are secret utility actions.

This is how a spectator will remember this effect: "He took my card... then he tore it up... then he put it back together... when I asked to see it, he tore it up again." Brilliant! My point is, there are actually impromptu, one-card torn and restored methods where you can hand out the card afterward.

Unfortunately, they all look like shit, so I don't know why you'd want to sacrifice effect for method.

[James1Wise]

@FunnyCowboyDance it's different from their actions yes, but that's not what i'm saying, i'm comparing them because it's the exact same choice. Or maybe I should compare it to using a different deck? Why make several different designed and different stock cards when one already exists? So people have different options cuz not everyone is gonna want the 1(or few) that's available to them. All in all, if you don't like it, stop complaining and just don't buy it and move on.

[canadiandaniel]

@FunnyCowboyDance not at all. thats how a magician would remember the trick. We as magicians forget how the spectator thinks and imagines a trick. we picture the trick by the method, they picture the trick by what you did. tearing it up at the end happens after the trick is done. so they won't remember it all that clearly in the future.

[FunnyCowboyDance]

@canadiandaniel Actually, no. They don't need to rely on their memory. They have proof right there in their hands. They will walk away with a souvenir--a ripped up card. There is no way to salvage it with a Tamarizian misremembering approach.

[canadiandaniel]

@FunnyCowboyDance again, the spectator doesn't think like we do trick wise. When they show the pieces to their friends, they will say "some guy took pieces just like this and put them back together" or something again depending on the presination on the effect. If you do a dejavu where you go back into time, that would be pretty cool as well. You can't perform this as a normal TNR in the sense that i tear it up and put it back together. you need a good patter along with it, or it will suck.

[FunnyCowboyDance]

@canadiandaniel You know man, cool. Do it like that. All I'm saying is, there literally dozens, if not hundreds, of TnR effects that have much, much more convincing ripping and restoration phases than this one. It's just plain not convincing, and I've had several laymen friends agree on that.

But whatevs. Learning to not sacrifice effect for method is just one step to maturing in magic.

[jimmygee5]

@FunnyCowboyDance i think ur the perfect example of whats wrong with the magic community...

[FunnyCowboyDance]

@jimmygee5 Because I don't settle for a trick just because it's impromptu? Bullshit. Even Paul Harris's less than great version is better than this hunk of poo. How did you not facepalm when you saw this? Any intelligent laymen will see right through this. You're fooling yourself if you think otherwise.

Lepaul, Marlo, Ascanio, Hollingworth, Garcia. Take your pick. I think this is probably the worst version I've seen since Mathieu Bich's godawful monstrosity.

[liberalguy513]

I lost all respect for anything put out by Theory 11 after they ripped off Steve Dusheck.

[whatistheory11]

@liberalguy513 The situation with Digital Dissolve was fully resolved with Steve Dusheck and Marc Desouza in 2007. We have moved forward far beyond that, and we continue to have a happy, positive relationship with Steve today. In fact, Steve's original manuscript is included with purchase of Digital Dissolve.

[SleightIllusions]

@FunnyCowboyDance with all due respect, i think you may have the wrong idea on what magic really is. its not about the sleights, gimmicks, handlings, etc. of various effetcs. its the spectators reaction to an impossible event that just took place. Blake Vogt came up with an impromptu miracle. please respect it.

[Luisdaple]

@FunnyCowboyDance well you could say like: can you do it?? (and you tear up the card)

[bvogtmagic]

Hey guys just did a Podcast with theory 11 and answered a Lot of the questions you have been asking :) Go to theory11.com to listen.

[magikmac10]

COOL!

Is this hard?

[Philafxs]

why is this actualy called REF4M instead of RE4M if it stands for 'Reform'?

It's a great TNR but the only patter thatd suit is if you have 4 different spectators and have them all sign a corner.

[MagicOfTalal]

The Torn & Restored card trick with gimmick is better !!

at least people can hold the card and keep it after the performance.

[Hans11n26]

@theguitarhero649 but at least you find out at the end of the trailer, not after you have bought it.

[Luisdaple]

ok so heres my point of view

the reason why some people didnt like the trick is because, the trailer reveals the whole trick, and when a trick is revealed, the trick sucks, and that the case on many trick, like on control by wayne houchin, the trick is awesome, but the revelation is so easy that it sucks!

so my advice is to see this trick from a whole other point of view, the spectators view, they just see that you tear up a card, and then you restored, and for them thats awesome, and impossible

[FunnyCowboyDance]

@Luisdaple ...and then you tear it up again. For no reason.

[jimmygee5]

guys check out black vogts podcast one theory11, he explains about the rip. it's very interesting

[jimmygee5]

IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, DON'T BUY IT. SIMPLE. stop complaining and get back to your own TnR

[jimmygee5]

if you rip it, you can give them a turn for them to restore the card, if they ask for you to restore it again do a gimmicked version.

[TheGonzaloMagic]

by the way, too all the people complaining about having to tear the card again you can find lots of excuses to do so ... one for example is, youve just restored the card, you show it for a couple seconds and then say " here you can try to do it" rip it again and give it to them...if somebody wants to examine the card straight away you can say the same thing, that way you proove that the card is normal, you let the image that you ripped the same way as before sink in, and that only you can do it

[AmazeNYou]

@TheGonzaloMagic

Michael Ammar said it best: The key to making your magic memorable is borrowing (or this case, using) an object, altering it, and then giving it back *in it's altered state.* It is extremely weak to end a routine by essentially un-doing the effect you just performed. How is your audience supposed to tell their friends about it? "He tore this card, and put it back together. Even though it's not together now..."

Just my thoughts.

[EdMagician]

@AmazeNYou i have to agree with you AmazeNYou..... your doing something very magical but you are destroying the evidance afterwords....

[HaavardGY]

@AmazeNYou If they show their friends the card when it is together, they will not believe you either...

[jimmygee5]

@HaavardGY that's why you use patter....

[TheGonzaloMagic]

@Luisdaple yes it does reveal everything, but this is still a very good trick, no1 sees a thing, you dont have to carry gimicks around, you can do it with any cards. I believe this is a revolutionary trick.

and to all the people saying this sucks, I want to see anybody else create a torn and restorned card, usin only one card, and impromptu

[sp60664]

so far for impromptu TnR i would suggest daniel garcia's torn the best one

[AntonMagician]

I think its great --- I know how it works --- but its better than many others and I think bether than reinCARDnation or other "Gimmicked" Tricks

[334810025]

1:17 damn HOT

[luuminhvuong]

stop negative comments, this one looks crazy...tearing the card at the end is not a problem....better than stupid gimmick cards

[luuminhvuong]

@oviDlaBaci can u explain more....i dont understand

[SPQR011]

I don't really like the tearing part, but the restorations are absolutely INSANELY good looking. Honestly, I like the way this looks. And it doesn't seem to be the thing with ultra tight angles or crazily concieved gimmicks. Simple, direct and to the point.

I don't think the tearing of the card at the end is a problem. (Besides, I really like the way Blake justifies it in the video, with the "destroying the evidence line", and just casually doing it)

I like this. Thanks to Blake and Theory11 :)

[joshgillespiewolf]

I think that tearing the card adds to the mystery of the trick. plus you aren't lying to them at the end when you say you are destroying the evidence. But it also an anti climax. Like doing magic without rolling up your sleeves. Laymen always accuse you of having something up your sleeve. If you have every read 'strong magic' by darwin ortiz, you would know that he would HATE this trick.

[jimmygee5]

in my opinion, magicians are thinking wayyyy to much. and i think thats a problem. the spectators wont care for the end. they will be thinking how the hell did he restore that card? stop over thinking. it's a great effect.

[oviDlaBaci]

@Orbinase dude i agree.

BUT don't you think it's more than a coincidence that most of the tricks that come out today are just to look good in front of a camera so kids would buy them, but aren't really that practical unless the spectator is tied to a chair?

[HaavardGY]

And after the second tear they ask: Can you restore it now..? Then you do a gimmicked version. Awesome...

[jimmygee5]

@HaavardGY that's quite clever :]

[Orbinase]

I don't think people should be 'ripping' Blake for this trick (pun intended), this is absolutely brilliant and far better than many of us could come up with, it is creative and to laymen a complete miracle! @theguitarhero649 so what if you have to retear? to laymen, restoring a card is one of the craziest things they will ever see that when you reform it they won't care at all! All tricks have disadvantages, but it doesn't mean we wouldn't use them? I congratulate Blake on his success!

[jimmygee5]

@Orbinase i agree.

[Olaf177]

I think the effect is great, as some people below already said, the retearing ruins the trick kinda. So what I would suggest is to get some kind of reason to tear it up again. I would maybe tell a story about a time machine, and you always go a step further into the past with the time machine and the card restores again, but then since you aren´t allowed to turn anything around in the past so that it will be different in the presence you have to tear it up again.

[Olaf177]

@Olaf177 Or you just say, but now we have to go back to the presence and the card is torn up there....That would be my suggestion

[snubbull123]

Duck tape???

[DgoFlourishes]

people are just being lame i honestly think its awesome who cares if you have to rip it im still gonna get it

[jimmygee5]

STFU HATERS 

[ZearchKhang93]

ReinCARDnation by Kris Nevling is better than this

[Dleerium]

I always enjoy impromptu one card torn and restored due to the lack of preparation. I started with Paul Harris's The ultimate rip-off followed by ReinCARDation however this looks like a winner.

Not giving away any spoilers but chances are you can't give the restored card away however it shouldn't detract away from the effect.

[jimmygee5]

@TheHalMak ....that it says that's impromtu?...

[TheHalMak]

@jimmygee5 I guess 1:46 is closer. The tearing at the end.

[jimmygee5]

@TheHalMak oh sorry haha. the tearing doesn't bother me much at all :O

[TheHalMak]

@jimmygee5 To me, it's anticlimactic and comes of as really sketchy. If you can really, solidly justify it in your presentation, I guess it could work.

[jimmygee5]

@TheHalMak yeah i agree. i would use justin millers "silver dream" patter for this. not blake vogt's way

[luuminhvuong]

the blonde is pretty hot

[BathTubNZ]

I really liked it, until the final tear up. It's really a Torn, Restored & Torn Card.

[cardfreakable]

@BathTubNZ if your from NZ boo yaa hi-five for the kiwis

[visualkeimagic]

マジでノーギミック！？

[canadiandaniel]

@visualkeimagic we all wonder the same thing

[maxscheidy]

This looks amazing

[Magicdudex1]

This is sweet as!

[BelieveMagic101]

I hate the ending :(

[PaulTheillusionist]

Awesome!

[penspinner]

im guessing it can't be examined afterwards?

[WhiteTigerMagician]

@penspinner can be examined after the effect is over :)

[penspinner]

@WhiteTigerMagician haha i mean't when it is at its restored form and not after he "destroys the evidence of this ever occuring"

[LethalThreat42]

@penspinner yeah im guessing the same thing

[jimmygee5]

great effect.

but the joyness to read idiot haters saying how you rip the card at the end -.-

[TheSilentBoom]

@wjwong888 They weren't sluts, they looked like nice ladies.

[MrGabs22]

awesome

[jimmygee5]

aweosmeness! 

[JohnModernMagician]

COOL!

[RoyalCompassVideos]

second view!