Stefan Belloff, the only one who could beat Senna easily. His career was too short to show it...Fastest laptime on the Nordschleife. He was a Rookie and faster then Senna and Prost in the Monaco (wet) grand prix 1984.
Luca? Are you sure even now? We have seen the mistery he put down the table at Ferrari when he had the chance. Granted it was a difficult car, but still, the performance was poor by any standard.
Thanks for the video. In my opinion, the champion of the under-rated drivers is Barrichello. I don't know what more he had to show to prove that he deserved a chance to be 1st driver in a competitive team. With crappy Jordans and Stewarts he did poles and drove in lead several times ahead of Schumacher, Hill, Hakkinen, Coulthard, Fisichella...even Prost. But when he went to Ferrari, to be the Shumy's 'sparring' I thought: 'he sold his soul'.
In my opinion, Senna, Bellof, Nannini, Kubica should be on the list too...
Let me explain... Senna and Bellof practically were same calibar of drivers, but unfortunate accident cost Bellof of his life... On the other side, if Senna lived after Imola, he would probably win 2 or 3 more campionships...(altough we will never know) Nannini would probably be a champion too if there wasnt career ending helicopter crash. Kubica however still has time to turn thinghs around and get back into cockpit.
How about chris amon? 11 podiums, had to retire from the lead a few times and never won a race, he was so unlucky mario andretti said "if he became an undertaker, people would stop dying"
Jochen Rindt isn't under-rated, he's regarded as one of the greatest F1 drivers in F1, not just by fans but by F1 drivers themselves. It certainly is sad that his career was cut so short by his death though.
@jbutton113 Alain Prost? under-rated?! Not sure what planet you're living on.
Jean alesi and Berger were one of the best F1 drivers without a tittle an for Berger the reason was Senna and for Alesi poor conditions of ferrari 1991 - 1996 and even worse Bennetton 1997 - 1998
I agree with @dannyboysmith1993 , it was really unfair on Badoer to put him in the car with no testing practice. Unfortunately, in-season testing is still banned and heavy restrictions are still in place for non-rookies.
This year I think the most under-rated drivers are Nico Rosberg and Sergio Perez,
Rosberg is consistantly being 'best-of-the-rest' behin Ferrari, Red Bull and McLaren.
Perez because even though this is his first year, he is still showing good pace and is able to keep up with Kobayashi, his more experienced team-mate, and I think Kobayashi is another semi-under-rated driver aswell.
How is Jochen Rindt underrated? Many at the time noticed his raw speed and skill even when he was stuck driving uncompetitive Cooper's and Brabham's. Ok, maybe you mean "underrated" as in not given enough credit today, in which case I agree.
Elio De Angelis was pretty underrated, considering how well he did against Andretti, Mansell and Senna (all champions) driving for Lotus.
Dan Gurney must be the most underrated ever. The only driver Jim Clark ever feared (he told his father).
I used to think Webber was underrated, but he has rather let Vettel dominate him in the end and is now firmly the #2 driver at Red Bull. A shame. Martini was absolutely brilliant for the cappuchino Kings (another story for another day) for most of his career. Badoer didn't get the break he should have at his peak in the mid-90s. He put a Minardi 12th on the grid in bone-dry qualifying in Hungary '95 - trust me, that was a HUGE achievement in that car. Modena lost motivation - I don't blame him.
Ant Davidson has to be the most underrated driver. Badoer was just didn't have what it took when he got to the top formulae like Pantano, cleaned up in all the categories below then didn't perform in F1
@jack123397 I think Davidson has to be placed into the basket of 'drivers who were good enough to be given a chance in F1'. Davidson was never given a decent go at F1 with appearances for Minardi and BAR. He like Wheldon, Wilson, Manning and Paffett all deserved better but in Formula 1 terms have been left with nothing or very little in the way of opportunities.
Why doesn't anybody mention JJ Lehto as underrated? He matched Martini at Scuderia Italia in 1992 and beat Karl Wendlinger at Sauber in 1993 and, in both cases, he wasn't favored by team ownership because he was the wrong nationality.
He didn't match up all that poorly against Schumacher (Monaco, aside) in 1994 but was sacked in favor of the terribly-overrated Verstappen.
Modena was more a case of "unfulfilled potential" than "underrated". Modena never "drove his heart out" - he had no motivation whatsoever when things didn't go his way. Just ask Eddie Jordan...
By the way his Brabham teammate Martin Brundle was miles ahead of Modena at Monaco in '89 until his battery went dead and he lost time in the pits
Also, all the replacement drivers for the injured Massa in 2009 showed how CRAZY good KIMI RAIKKONEN is (for WINNING the Belgian Grand Prix in a car Luca qualified LAST - 20th - and finished 14th with).
@ThePanda971 Ohh please Jean Alesi?? Now that is a driver who would have to be one of the most overrated drivers in F1 history. Drove for Ferrari from 1991 to 1995 with one victory which he was handed on a platter by a Renault engine failure. Failed to win in 1996 and 1997 in Renault powered Benettons and then did very little for Sauber and Prost. Granted Alesi was spectacular in a Tyrrell in mid '89 and 1990 but history must surely see his career as a wasted talent.
@Jackbyrne77 I will try to enlighten you about all those races he didn't win: 3 victories in the 7 years he drove for those teams: 2 by Berger and 1 by Jean. Not even PROST managed to win one. Overrated? No sir, thrust me. He outscored all but Prost and Berger once each, 5 to 2.
@lcville I appreciate your perspective but if we are going to look at the final points that a driver achieves at the end of the year then you would have to explain Alesi being outscored by Diniz in 1999, the debuting Heidfeld in 2000 on count back, and Panis on count back in 2001. Granted he beat Capelli in 1992 which isn't much of an effort considering Capelli finished four races. Berger showed that the 1994 Ferrari and 1997 Benetton were cars that could win. Alesi was good but not great.
You say the Ferrari was hard to drive, how come the Belgian GP at Spa where Badoer came last was won by his team mate Raikkonen. So the car could win races and yet Badoer spent the race driving around at the back over a second a lap slower than Nakajima, who had a much slower car and wasnt exactley a briiliant driver.
@stee504 This IS Kimi Raikkonen he is being compared to. The F60 was a dog to drive, the fact that Fisichella and Badoer struggled so much in it is both a testament to how hard it was to get the hang of, but also how good Massa and Raikkonen were actually doing in the car.
what about little Johnny Herbert, outstanding lower formula career, if he hadnt broken his legs in formula 3000 which put his career back he might have landed a real top drive. He also had amazing courage he drove for benetton in brazil in 89 and could hardly walk top guy
im not sure if luca is the most underrated driver of all times. but I just wanted to add this, it wasnt fair to badoer that they only gave him a one-race chance. I think he should have finished the season. cudnt be worse than fisicella, tho I like fisicella.
yeah I'm a tifosi. but ferrari makes some stupid decisions at times.
ok, top 3 fair dos... but Rindt was held with very high regard and was widely recognised as the fastest F1 driver at the time of his death. Not so underrated as his potential was fulfilled albeit posthumously. As for Mark Webber, very good driver but will never be a world champion. Regardless of who is number 1 or 2 at Red Bull Vettel consistently walks all over him and if Vettel wasn't there Webber still wouldn't be leading the championship! If anything, Webber has fulfilled his potential.
Webber wasn't beaten to Renault by Fisichella. Webber chose to go to Williams which meant Fisichella was offered the Renault seat instead. Fisi was Renault's second preference after Mark.
I agree. Badoer WAS a good driver and a potential champion. But after joining Ferrari, he always refused to race in other categories even when he could not drive in F1 tests. So I think he had lost all his talent when he returned to F1 in 2009.
Badoer in his day was a very good driver and people who put him down for being on the list are either Johnny Come Lately fans or just werent around when he drove before. The fact is, F1 cars are hella hard to drive and even when he was off the pace by so much for Ferrari he was probably going several dozen seconds a lap faster than any of you guys would be
@SuperHardTrance Jos Verstappen werd vooral in Nederland ondergewaardeerd. Hij begon zijn carrière bij een goed team, maar daar heeft hij niet de kans gekregen om zich door te ontwikkelen. Vooral bij Arrows en zeker in de regen liet Jos Verstappen zien 1 van de beste coureurs op de grid te zijn.
In engels:
Jos Verstappen was an underestimated driver, who didn't get the chance to improve hisself at Benetton. His best performances were at his time at Arrows, especially in the rain.
First of all Thank You for uploading the video. Secondly I think Tom Pryce should have gotten a mention. Generally he is remembered most for his horrific freak accident in '77. There is a great tribute video uploaded on this site (in 2 parts) and it showcases his mastery at the wheel of an under performing car, putting it in race positions it shouldn't have been, even claiming Pole for the '75 British GP.
Juan Pablo Montoya - great driver, definately WDC material, just was in F1 at the wrong time (Schumacher's domination)
To some extents Damon Hill - deserved the WDC in 1994 as Schumacher cheated his way to the title and ran into Hill at Adelaide. Also Hill deserved to be with better teams than Arrows and Jordan from '97 onwards.
almost so nearly winning the Hungarian GP in 97 with an Arrows car that was unreliable and not especially quick in anyway deserves to be noted... giving Jordan their first win.. and as you said, could have won it in 95..
1. Dan Gurney. Beat 3 time world champion Jack Brabham in the same car, and was the only driver Jim Clark admitted to his father he was afraid would drive a competitve car one day.
2. Tony Brooks. On top level and only his car let him down, or he'd be '59 champion. In a top car he'd win lots of races.
3. David Coulthard. Only had world champion team mates, like Hill, Hakkinen and Raikkonen and did well against them. Webber was almost champion. Retired Klien and other young
To be fair to Badoer, he should never have drove for Ferrari in 09 mainly because he did not compete in ANY form of motor race since 1999 with Minardi in F1 so he was a bit hard done by! I'd say Gené should've been given that race seat instead winning Le Mans that year & all! Was expecting Frentzen to be somewhere in the list as he was a great driver in good cars yet nobody ever mentions him anymore, shame!
@DannyBoySmith1993 Erm, wouldn't that make him over-rated? Did little when given the Williams, was respectable if unspectacular for Sauber. Dragged Prost higher than it should have been for a little while but went backwards after that. Before he reached F1 they said he (or Wendlinger) would be Germany's first world champion, while Schumacher would struggle to ever make it big in racing. And look how that worked out for all concerned...
But I expected the same, Gene made way more sense.
Jochen Rindt was certainly not an underrated driver, and he became World Champion in 1970, after dying in Monza. But this shouldn't be an offense, because I like the rest of your video very much and gave you a thumbs up.
Your piece on Luca Badoer was very good - as a "rookie" F1 fan compared to probably a lot of people here, I could never look far away from the race statistics, but as you've shown, he was always given bad cars and tried to make the most of them - then for years, out the the racing scene and then put in a Ferrari in 2009 after hardly any racing experience in a Grand Prix since... well... a decade before.
also,Sutil is a better driver than given credit for, he was teamed with Lewis Hamilton before F1.......a very good driver in the wet and deserves his drive in F1.....a very Underrated driver !
Badoer didnt do that to villeneuve.............villeneuve hit the back of Badoer on the streets of monaco ! forti may have been a slow car but they werent on a fast circuit so that is just crap ! Badoer is very underrated and I agree with this whole list except I want Sutil in this list........he was Hamilton's team mate before he joined F1.
Fully agree with you about Badoer, and after his bad Ferrari stint he is surely going to be more underrated than anyone else in F1 ever will be. He didn't just beat the likes of Barrichello and DC in his first attempt in F3000, he wiped the floor with them! I reckon that if he was given a decent car to begin with instead of the string of shitboxes he got, he may well have won races! F1 is a killer environment though, Badoer is just one of the many talented drivers that never got that lucky break
i watched the video of suzuka 1990 it's not entirely senna's fault he basically let alain prost to decide whether 2 let him thru or not because he is at the faster line to go thru that corner bt prost wanted that line so they crashed dat's y senna wasn't penalised 4 it... that's jz my 2 cent...
@KOSTAS22R Hahahahahahaha, Suzuka 1990 was a cheat, yes, but FIA on Senna, You stupid motherfucking moron! They move the pole position to a dirty side of the road! And just to help your "brain" a little more - look what happened at suzuka 1989. Case closed - you're a complete idiot!
Yea, Suzuka 1990. But it's easy to say that, you know what happened before?
Suzuka 1989, the collision between Senna & Prost, in the end Senna was disqualified for missing the chicane. During the driver briefing before the Grand Prix of Suzuka in 1990, Piquet asked what to do when you miss the corner, turn around and go backwards? Answer; cut the chicane. And that's why Senna was disqualified in 1989, because he missed the chicane that's why Suzuka 1990 happened.
@1HeerenveenSC As far as I am concerned, this means Senna deserves even less respect. He took a tantrum over such a petty thing, he risked his life over a grudge. The events of '89 are no excuse for what he did the year afterwards, he put both his own and Prost's lives at severe risk with that foolish move.
There is a fine line between bravery and stupidity. Senna crossed it that day. I don't understand how anyone can respect someone who risks another person's life for no good reason.
Quote: "I don't understand how anyone can respect someone who risks another person's life for no good reason." - I think it's called posthumous admiration. Let's face it: Senna became a legend partly because of the fact that he died in this tragic Imola '94 accident, and many english people admire him because he drove for McLaren.
And that is the reason why many people forgave him all his unfair actions. If Schumacher had done what Ayrton did in '90, he they would remember that as a symbol of his evilness until today, like they do about Jerez '97, which was far less dangerous, although unfair.
@KOSTAS22R You don't understand it, or you won't understand it.
I'm not going to typ huge stories or whatever, just search info about the realtionship between Senna and Prost, about Balestre and about Suzuka 1989 and 1990.
And you're probably a Prost fan so whatever I say, you won't believe me...
That's okay, but don't say things like; Senna doesn't deserve respect because i got the feeling that you obviously don't know nothing about the end 80's begin 90's.
This is not about Prost. This is not about Balestre. This is not about any other driver or official. I am neutral in regard to supporting one driver over the other (because in this time period, I do not support any). Prost cheated. Senna cheated. But Senna took it way too far.
But at least put a stop to this, I hate when Senna or Schumacher infest F1 videos. Senna has no place on this list, so find something else to talk about...
Heidfeld surely deserves a mention. He's beaten Raikkonen, Massa, Villeneuve and Kubica in equal machinery. And yet he's the one struggling to find a seat.
I'd also put Prost in there. He was just as good as Senna, if not better. He certainly won more races than him (and indeed anyone else until Schumacher came along). But while Senna always tops the 'best driver' polls, Prost is lucky to get a mention in the top 5.
@hhJACK92 I agree with the Prost thing. He was a much better driver as a complete package. Senna cheated his way to titles (sorry, but deliberately crashing into someone IS cheating).
I sort of regret putting Jochen at #5 (it turns out most people do seem to acknowledge he was one of the best drivers ever), but at the time I was struggling to think of alternatives!
@KOSTAS22R " I agree with the Prost thing. He was a much better driver as a complete package." - Suzuka 1989 Case Closed. Poor thing, learn some facts, not media hype, dickless twat.
@thylegion Why must you stoop to such low levels to make your own uninformed point? The only ignorance here is you are sucking up to 'media hype', the 'legendary' status of Senna who was only respected because people falsely admired his inflated ego. Suzuka 1989 was a desperate lunge by Senna, a rash move by a driver who thought he was invincible.
But, it is a shame another Senna fanboy ruins a video with his childish ranting. Please find a Schumi fan to flame with instead. Run along now.
Oh and don't forget Badoer was the third Ferrari driver, but when Schumacher had the accident in Silverstone Ferrari replace him with... Badoer? No, SALO!!! And Salo was worse (surely) of Badoer
Gilles Villeneuve was a legend (Enzo Ferrari said "I never saw anyone drive like him". No more words necessary). Jacques Villeneuve was the WORST driver of '90. He won a driver championship just because he drove the most powerfull car! And when the car he drove were not so fantastic... HIS CAREER WAS DOWN IN THE DRAIN! Badoer was better than many driver in the history
Stefan Bellof's career ended all too soon. Similar story to Jochen Rindt, but I believe Bellof could have been mixing it with Senna and Prost at the end of the 80s had faith not intervened :(
recently I have been watching races from 1995. P. Martini is a shocking driver. Honestly. How was jochen R. underrated ? We all know his career could have been more than it was. Badoer never showed commitment to the job (at the first practice session of his career he was in the hotel banging chicks..)
@Milanotjuh and you are whats known as a man who doesnt know what hes talking about...
Martini scored more for Minardi then other driver for the team...
and as for badoer...please...the guy was better then barrichello,coulthard,panis he just got stumped with poor teams..Fisichella cudnt even score a point in the F60 badoer comes in after 10 years away fro mracing and not having driven an f1 car since december 2008 and just gets slagged of by idiots who hav no idea what there talking about...
@nortsoldier I am talking about the 1995 season.. just watch a couple of them. You will never see a driver ignore/miss blue flags and spoiling the races of other drivers. Honestly, he created very dangerous situations. Im not saying badoer wasn't talented... ???
Stefan Belloff, the only one who could beat Senna easily. His career was too short to show it...Fastest laptime on the Nordschleife. He was a Rookie and faster then Senna and Prost in the Monaco (wet) grand prix 1984.
tomykaze1 3 hours ago
lol mark webber... your whole video just lost credit
stellpoons 1 day ago
nico rosberg??
Shahid95PS3 6 days ago
Jochen Rindt wasn't under-rated, at the time he was racing he was considered one of the best on the grid. And he is a world champion.
noveltybobel 1 week ago
Luca? Are you sure even now? We have seen the mistery he put down the table at Ferrari when he had the chance. Granted it was a difficult car, but still, the performance was poor by any standard.
tilus75 1 week ago
And Giorgio Pantano?
mikarpanen 2 weeks ago
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Luca Badoer is pure shit. A driver who gets a ferrari and manages to get 19th place doesn`t deserve to drive in F1.
rodcb2011 2 weeks ago
At 1:11 you renamed Riccardo Patrese as Stefano Modena. Weird list to me.
sunshag1 3 weeks ago
Webber is over-rated
Rcrby525 1 month ago
Thanks for the video. In my opinion, the champion of the under-rated drivers is Barrichello. I don't know what more he had to show to prove that he deserved a chance to be 1st driver in a competitive team. With crappy Jordans and Stewarts he did poles and drove in lead several times ahead of Schumacher, Hill, Hakkinen, Coulthard, Fisichella...even Prost. But when he went to Ferrari, to be the Shumy's 'sparring' I thought: 'he sold his soul'.
tmmphono 1 month ago
Webber and Badoer are OVER-Rated
Samthepro95 1 month ago
In my opinion, Senna, Bellof, Nannini, Kubica should be on the list too...
Let me explain... Senna and Bellof practically were same calibar of drivers, but unfortunate accident cost Bellof of his life... On the other side, if Senna lived after Imola, he would probably win 2 or 3 more campionships...(altough we will never know) Nannini would probably be a champion too if there wasnt career ending helicopter crash. Kubica however still has time to turn thinghs around and get back into cockpit.
davorsertic 1 month ago
Takuma Sato He is great driver !
mmr8670 1 month ago
jean alesi mann!!!
jjhhkkful 1 month ago
Vitaly Petrov? :3
mario7kart7master7 2 months ago
I remember that scene with Badoer, he was 4th and was to be an amazing 3 points. I felt pitty really about Minardi. At least Marc Gene finished 6th
MrPpavlouk 2 months ago
Juan Pablo Montoya?
SebbyHaughtonf1 2 months ago
How about chris amon? 11 podiums, had to retire from the lead a few times and never won a race, he was so unlucky mario andretti said "if he became an undertaker, people would stop dying"
yngvaibucketrucci 2 months ago
webber isnt really that great, if alonso or hamilton were driving the other red bull they would be much more competitive
yngvaibucketrucci 2 months ago
kimi raikkonen
gzhde 2 months ago
Not a bad list, although my list is completely different, yours is very good. Badoer should have at least scored a couple of points, I was a huge fan.
My list would be:
5. Christian Klien
4. Timo Glock
3. Derek Warwick
2. Gerhard Berger
1. Alain Prost
jbutton113 2 months ago
@jbutton113 how can alain prost be under rated he won 4 world championships
topgear1550 2 months ago 7
@topgear1550 I never hear his name mentioned when the question of Greatest of All Time pops up.
Plus reliability cost him in 82, 83 and 84. He also would have beat Senna in 88 if all results had counted.
jbutton113 2 months ago
@topgear1550 Prost was and still is underrated.
He was thought not to be very fast and only able to win through race craft.
In fact he was among the fastest drivers ever to have turned a wheel in Formula 1.
christosswc 1 month ago
Jochen Rindt isn't under-rated, he's regarded as one of the greatest F1 drivers in F1, not just by fans but by F1 drivers themselves. It certainly is sad that his career was cut so short by his death though.
@jbutton113 Alain Prost? under-rated?! Not sure what planet you're living on.
Varsher 2 months ago
@Varsher : I agree about Jochen. He was amazing and it was obvious then.
Bmants 1 month ago
Rindt IS a legend, not a "could have been"!!!
mellilore 2 months ago
Jean alesi and Berger were one of the best F1 drivers without a tittle an for Berger the reason was Senna and for Alesi poor conditions of ferrari 1991 - 1996 and even worse Bennetton 1997 - 1998
giorgigulo 2 months ago
You're not a Villeneuve fan? Fair enough.
I agree with @dannyboysmith1993 , it was really unfair on Badoer to put him in the car with no testing practice. Unfortunately, in-season testing is still banned and heavy restrictions are still in place for non-rookies.
Hynee 3 months ago
This year I think the most under-rated drivers are Nico Rosberg and Sergio Perez,
Rosberg is consistantly being 'best-of-the-rest' behin Ferrari, Red Bull and McLaren.
Perez because even though this is his first year, he is still showing good pace and is able to keep up with Kobayashi, his more experienced team-mate, and I think Kobayashi is another semi-under-rated driver aswell.
AnimeLiam 3 months ago
How is Jochen Rindt underrated? Many at the time noticed his raw speed and skill even when he was stuck driving uncompetitive Cooper's and Brabham's. Ok, maybe you mean "underrated" as in not given enough credit today, in which case I agree.
Elio De Angelis was pretty underrated, considering how well he did against Andretti, Mansell and Senna (all champions) driving for Lotus.
Dan Gurney must be the most underrated ever. The only driver Jim Clark ever feared (he told his father).
McLarenMercedes 3 months ago
Today Timo Glock is no.1 underrated f1 driver i guess
CrLe100 3 months ago
woludnt agree about webber, i dont think he has a talent at all.. he is just an average f1 driver
CrLe100 3 months ago
Why have you got Riccardo Patrese on before stefano Modena at 1:13 lol
mrnatty122 3 months ago
Nico Rosberg
FranklinMarshalSpain 3 months ago
Luca Badoer?! Okay, he was quick, but not that quick!!!!!
serifovicrules 3 months ago
KOSTAS22R, Jochen Rindt is a F1 Legend.
RyckardPT 3 months ago
Ever wonder why Badore stayed at Minardi all those years??
- Nobody else wanted him!
sandman1071 3 months ago
Montoya is the most under rated of them all! Watch his battles with schumacher...
Euclides287 3 months ago
How about Martin Brundle?
For me one of the most intelligent drivers to have sat in an F1 car.
most of the teams he drove for spoke volumes about his technical skill in giving feedback to the engineers when developing a car.
Also wasn't he the only driver to get anywhere near Senna when they raced in F3?.
The fact that he never won an F1 race was a shame.
He for me is now one of the best F1 commentators, along with Couthard I think they are a great team.
cass276 3 months ago
I used to think Webber was underrated, but he has rather let Vettel dominate him in the end and is now firmly the #2 driver at Red Bull. A shame. Martini was absolutely brilliant for the cappuchino Kings (another story for another day) for most of his career. Badoer didn't get the break he should have at his peak in the mid-90s. He put a Minardi 12th on the grid in bone-dry qualifying in Hungary '95 - trust me, that was a HUGE achievement in that car. Modena lost motivation - I don't blame him.
azapro911 3 months ago
I'll put Kubica right there or maybe I'll put Rosberg
JHAYTOT1 3 months ago
barrichello
simplythebest12341 4 months ago
Ant Davidson has to be the most underrated driver. Badoer was just didn't have what it took when he got to the top formulae like Pantano, cleaned up in all the categories below then didn't perform in F1
jack123397 4 months ago
@jack123397 I think Davidson has to be placed into the basket of 'drivers who were good enough to be given a chance in F1'. Davidson was never given a decent go at F1 with appearances for Minardi and BAR. He like Wheldon, Wilson, Manning and Paffett all deserved better but in Formula 1 terms have been left with nothing or very little in the way of opportunities.
Jackbyrne77 4 months ago
Where's Patrick Depailler?
NOXXism 4 months ago
Mark webber shows in 2010, hopefully he will do that next season when he is used to the tyres and rule changes
goddo2305 4 months ago
Why doesn't anybody mention JJ Lehto as underrated? He matched Martini at Scuderia Italia in 1992 and beat Karl Wendlinger at Sauber in 1993 and, in both cases, he wasn't favored by team ownership because he was the wrong nationality.
He didn't match up all that poorly against Schumacher (Monaco, aside) in 1994 but was sacked in favor of the terribly-overrated Verstappen.
altroval 4 months ago
Modena was more a case of "unfulfilled potential" than "underrated". Modena never "drove his heart out" - he had no motivation whatsoever when things didn't go his way. Just ask Eddie Jordan...
By the way his Brabham teammate Martin Brundle was miles ahead of Modena at Monaco in '89 until his battery went dead and he lost time in the pits
altroval 4 months ago
Also, all the replacement drivers for the injured Massa in 2009 showed how CRAZY good KIMI RAIKKONEN is (for WINNING the Belgian Grand Prix in a car Luca qualified LAST - 20th - and finished 14th with).
jakubkrcma 4 months ago
Where's Jean Alesi?
ThePanda971 4 months ago
@ThePanda971 Ohh please Jean Alesi?? Now that is a driver who would have to be one of the most overrated drivers in F1 history. Drove for Ferrari from 1991 to 1995 with one victory which he was handed on a platter by a Renault engine failure. Failed to win in 1996 and 1997 in Renault powered Benettons and then did very little for Sauber and Prost. Granted Alesi was spectacular in a Tyrrell in mid '89 and 1990 but history must surely see his career as a wasted talent.
Jackbyrne77 4 months ago
@Jackbyrne77 I will try to enlighten you about all those races he didn't win: 3 victories in the 7 years he drove for those teams: 2 by Berger and 1 by Jean. Not even PROST managed to win one. Overrated? No sir, thrust me. He outscored all but Prost and Berger once each, 5 to 2.
lcville 4 months ago
@lcville I appreciate your perspective but if we are going to look at the final points that a driver achieves at the end of the year then you would have to explain Alesi being outscored by Diniz in 1999, the debuting Heidfeld in 2000 on count back, and Panis on count back in 2001. Granted he beat Capelli in 1992 which isn't much of an effort considering Capelli finished four races. Berger showed that the 1994 Ferrari and 1997 Benetton were cars that could win. Alesi was good but not great.
Jackbyrne77 4 months ago
I wanted to cry at 2:24. MINARDI WE MISS YOU.
johnrose92 5 months ago
great video, perhaps maybe barrichello should have been in there for his ferrari days
F1Mad93 5 months ago
You say the Ferrari was hard to drive, how come the Belgian GP at Spa where Badoer came last was won by his team mate Raikkonen. So the car could win races and yet Badoer spent the race driving around at the back over a second a lap slower than Nakajima, who had a much slower car and wasnt exactley a briiliant driver.
stee504 5 months ago
@stee504 This IS Kimi Raikkonen he is being compared to. The F60 was a dog to drive, the fact that Fisichella and Badoer struggled so much in it is both a testament to how hard it was to get the hang of, but also how good Massa and Raikkonen were actually doing in the car.
MetaKnightsKirby 5 months ago
what about little Johnny Herbert, outstanding lower formula career, if he hadnt broken his legs in formula 3000 which put his career back he might have landed a real top drive. He also had amazing courage he drove for benetton in brazil in 89 and could hardly walk top guy
SuperMikedyer 5 months ago
Derek Warwick is missing...
PelaExile 5 months ago
Rindt under-rated? no! Jochen was a superstar at is time, just to long ago...
Depailler, Bourdais, Zanardi, Courage, De Angelis, were under-rated!
But Badoer must in the WORST countdown!!!!!
JECKSNUMBERTHREE 6 months ago
im not sure if luca is the most underrated driver of all times. but I just wanted to add this, it wasnt fair to badoer that they only gave him a one-race chance. I think he should have finished the season. cudnt be worse than fisicella, tho I like fisicella.
yeah I'm a tifosi. but ferrari makes some stupid decisions at times.
aydeeT 6 months ago
ok, top 3 fair dos... but Rindt was held with very high regard and was widely recognised as the fastest F1 driver at the time of his death. Not so underrated as his potential was fulfilled albeit posthumously. As for Mark Webber, very good driver but will never be a world champion. Regardless of who is number 1 or 2 at Red Bull Vettel consistently walks all over him and if Vettel wasn't there Webber still wouldn't be leading the championship! If anything, Webber has fulfilled his potential.
nunslittletoy 6 months ago
Webber wasn't beaten to Renault by Fisichella. Webber chose to go to Williams which meant Fisichella was offered the Renault seat instead. Fisi was Renault's second preference after Mark.
Luke0003 6 months ago
i would have put montoya and sato on there, but all in all a great video, well-made
Siboba9 6 months ago
Where's Patrick Depailler?
NOXXism 6 months ago
Also Nick Heidfeld
WeLWets 7 months ago
I think Badoer is not a bad driver, but he doesn't deserve to be in this list.
mundotaku 7 months ago
@mundotaku
I agree. Badoer WAS a good driver and a potential champion. But after joining Ferrari, he always refused to race in other categories even when he could not drive in F1 tests. So I think he had lost all his talent when he returned to F1 in 2009.
Niebelungenlied 6 months ago
@Niebelungenlied No, he never was a good driver, nor a bad one. He was just another driver.
mundotaku 6 months ago
Badoer in his day was a very good driver and people who put him down for being on the list are either Johnny Come Lately fans or just werent around when he drove before. The fact is, F1 cars are hella hard to drive and even when he was off the pace by so much for Ferrari he was probably going several dozen seconds a lap faster than any of you guys would be
jaryd12345 7 months ago
Jos Verstappen?
SuperHardTrance 8 months ago 22
@SuperHardTrance Jos Verstappen werd vooral in Nederland ondergewaardeerd. Hij begon zijn carrière bij een goed team, maar daar heeft hij niet de kans gekregen om zich door te ontwikkelen. Vooral bij Arrows en zeker in de regen liet Jos Verstappen zien 1 van de beste coureurs op de grid te zijn.
In engels:
Jos Verstappen was an underestimated driver, who didn't get the chance to improve hisself at Benetton. His best performances were at his time at Arrows, especially in the rain.
gleuknie 8 months ago
@gleuknie exactly...
SuperHardTrance 8 months ago
First of all Thank You for uploading the video. Secondly I think Tom Pryce should have gotten a mention. Generally he is remembered most for his horrific freak accident in '77. There is a great tribute video uploaded on this site (in 2 parts) and it showcases his mastery at the wheel of an under performing car, putting it in race positions it shouldn't have been, even claiming Pole for the '75 British GP.
TJD24tamebandkk 8 months ago
Ehi.....the helmet of the second is not of Stefano Modena but is that of Riccardo Patrese.
madimausa 8 months ago
Juan Pablo Montoya - great driver, definately WDC material, just was in F1 at the wrong time (Schumacher's domination)
To some extents Damon Hill - deserved the WDC in 1994 as Schumacher cheated his way to the title and ran into Hill at Adelaide. Also Hill deserved to be with better teams than Arrows and Jordan from '97 onwards.
blainyrules 9 months ago
@blainyrules plus in response to Hill...
almost so nearly winning the Hungarian GP in 97 with an Arrows car that was unreliable and not especially quick in anyway deserves to be noted... giving Jordan their first win.. and as you said, could have won it in 95..
Sharkchill 8 months ago
If Badoer is a great pilot, why he didnt made great races with the Ferrari?
The car is difficult to drive? so, what is make a pilot a good driver? win with easy cars?
Badoer was a pilot tester, he knew the car very well.
trezoitao38 9 months ago
@trezoitao38 Did you forget he was out of F1 for 10 years?
blainyrules 9 months ago
@blainyrules Yes.
And, how many years was out of F1 Hamilton, Vettel, on their firts years of F1?
trezoitao38 9 months ago
Underrated drivers?
1. Dan Gurney. Beat 3 time world champion Jack Brabham in the same car, and was the only driver Jim Clark admitted to his father he was afraid would drive a competitve car one day.
2. Tony Brooks. On top level and only his car let him down, or he'd be '59 champion. In a top car he'd win lots of races.
3. David Coulthard. Only had world champion team mates, like Hill, Hakkinen and Raikkonen and did well against them. Webber was almost champion. Retired Klien and other young
McLarenMercedes 10 months ago
To be fair to Badoer, he should never have drove for Ferrari in 09 mainly because he did not compete in ANY form of motor race since 1999 with Minardi in F1 so he was a bit hard done by! I'd say Gené should've been given that race seat instead winning Le Mans that year & all! Was expecting Frentzen to be somewhere in the list as he was a great driver in good cars yet nobody ever mentions him anymore, shame!
DannyBoySmith1993 10 months ago 9
@DannyBoySmith1993 Erm, wouldn't that make him over-rated? Did little when given the Williams, was respectable if unspectacular for Sauber. Dragged Prost higher than it should have been for a little while but went backwards after that. Before he reached F1 they said he (or Wendlinger) would be Germany's first world champion, while Schumacher would struggle to ever make it big in racing. And look how that worked out for all concerned...
But I expected the same, Gene made way more sense.
KOSTAS22R 10 months ago 2
@DannyBoySmith1993 Badoer is shite. 58 races never scored a single point, Need i say more?
JONICRACHATLEITAO 6 months ago
@JONICRACHATLEITAO Yeah, which is why he shouldn't have raced in 2009.
DannyBoySmith1993 6 months ago
Badoer is not under-rated, he is the worst F1 driver ever!!!!!!
felipemassa998 10 months ago
@felipemassa998
Yeah, that's why Ferrari kept him as test driver all these years. If he was so bad he wouldn't have been champion in F3000.
McLarenMercedes 10 months ago
Jochen Rindt was certainly not an underrated driver, and he became World Champion in 1970, after dying in Monza. But this shouldn't be an offense, because I like the rest of your video very much and gave you a thumbs up.
ImFasterThanTheStig 10 months ago
Your piece on Luca Badoer was very good - as a "rookie" F1 fan compared to probably a lot of people here, I could never look far away from the race statistics, but as you've shown, he was always given bad cars and tried to make the most of them - then for years, out the the racing scene and then put in a Ferrari in 2009 after hardly any racing experience in a Grand Prix since... well... a decade before.
Very good video.
rapljwop 10 months ago
also,Sutil is a better driver than given credit for, he was teamed with Lewis Hamilton before F1.......a very good driver in the wet and deserves his drive in F1.....a very Underrated driver !
holicman 10 months ago
Badoer didnt do that to villeneuve.............villeneuve hit the back of Badoer on the streets of monaco ! forti may have been a slow car but they werent on a fast circuit so that is just crap ! Badoer is very underrated and I agree with this whole list except I want Sutil in this list........he was Hamilton's team mate before he joined F1.
holicman 10 months ago
Dan Gurney deserves a mention, I think. One of the most talented drivers in the 60's, but never got the equipment to show what he could really do.
JoeE24 10 months ago
Not only the most under rated, but also the most unlucky....... Chris Amon!!!
Hayes1955 11 months ago
ant davidson should be in there
jaffaa08 1 year ago
Fully agree with you about Badoer, and after his bad Ferrari stint he is surely going to be more underrated than anyone else in F1 ever will be. He didn't just beat the likes of Barrichello and DC in his first attempt in F3000, he wiped the floor with them! I reckon that if he was given a decent car to begin with instead of the string of shitboxes he got, he may well have won races! F1 is a killer environment though, Badoer is just one of the many talented drivers that never got that lucky break
mazey90 1 year ago
@ KOSTAS22R
Senna cheated his way to titles?
How stupid to say that xD... you;ve never watched Formula 1 in the 80's and 90's right?
1HeerenveenSC 1 year ago 2
@1HeerenveenSC Suzuka 1990.
Case Closed.
KOSTAS22R 1 year ago
@KOSTAS22R
i watched the video of suzuka 1990 it's not entirely senna's fault he basically let alain prost to decide whether 2 let him thru or not because he is at the faster line to go thru that corner bt prost wanted that line so they crashed dat's y senna wasn't penalised 4 it... that's jz my 2 cent...
aaronshorty 10 months ago
@KOSTAS22R Hahahahahahaha, Suzuka 1990 was a cheat, yes, but FIA on Senna, You stupid motherfucking moron! They move the pole position to a dirty side of the road! And just to help your "brain" a little more - look what happened at suzuka 1989. Case closed - you're a complete idiot!
thylegion 10 months ago
@KOSTAS22R
Yea, Suzuka 1990. But it's easy to say that, you know what happened before?
Suzuka 1989, the collision between Senna & Prost, in the end Senna was disqualified for missing the chicane. During the driver briefing before the Grand Prix of Suzuka in 1990, Piquet asked what to do when you miss the corner, turn around and go backwards? Answer; cut the chicane. And that's why Senna was disqualified in 1989, because he missed the chicane that's why Suzuka 1990 happened.
1HeerenveenSC 10 months ago
@1HeerenveenSC As far as I am concerned, this means Senna deserves even less respect. He took a tantrum over such a petty thing, he risked his life over a grudge. The events of '89 are no excuse for what he did the year afterwards, he put both his own and Prost's lives at severe risk with that foolish move.
There is a fine line between bravery and stupidity. Senna crossed it that day. I don't understand how anyone can respect someone who risks another person's life for no good reason.
KOSTAS22R 10 months ago
@KOSTAS22R
Quote: "I don't understand how anyone can respect someone who risks another person's life for no good reason." - I think it's called posthumous admiration. Let's face it: Senna became a legend partly because of the fact that he died in this tragic Imola '94 accident, and many english people admire him because he drove for McLaren.
ImFasterThanTheStig 10 months ago
@KOSTAS22R
And that is the reason why many people forgave him all his unfair actions. If Schumacher had done what Ayrton did in '90, he they would remember that as a symbol of his evilness until today, like they do about Jerez '97, which was far less dangerous, although unfair.
ImFasterThanTheStig 10 months ago
@KOSTAS22R You don't understand it, or you won't understand it.
I'm not going to typ huge stories or whatever, just search info about the realtionship between Senna and Prost, about Balestre and about Suzuka 1989 and 1990.
And you're probably a Prost fan so whatever I say, you won't believe me...
That's okay, but don't say things like; Senna doesn't deserve respect because i got the feeling that you obviously don't know nothing about the end 80's begin 90's.
1HeerenveenSC 9 months ago
@1HeerenveenSC Don't talk bullshit to me.
This is not about Prost. This is not about Balestre. This is not about any other driver or official. I am neutral in regard to supporting one driver over the other (because in this time period, I do not support any). Prost cheated. Senna cheated. But Senna took it way too far.
But at least put a stop to this, I hate when Senna or Schumacher infest F1 videos. Senna has no place on this list, so find something else to talk about...
KOSTAS22R 9 months ago
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1HeerenveenSC 9 months ago
@KOSTAS22R
I dont agree with what you say, but i give up ...
1HeerenveenSC 9 months ago
@1HeerenveenSC C'mon, let's not talk to this half-brained faggot with his "Suzuka 1990 Case Closed" ideology. Fuck him and his ignorance!
thylegion 10 months ago
@1HeerenveenSC besides, he's 20 and anti-canadian... xD
thylegion 10 months ago
Great video, KOSTAS!
tommykl 1 year ago
Heidfeld surely deserves a mention. He's beaten Raikkonen, Massa, Villeneuve and Kubica in equal machinery. And yet he's the one struggling to find a seat.
I'd also put Prost in there. He was just as good as Senna, if not better. He certainly won more races than him (and indeed anyone else until Schumacher came along). But while Senna always tops the 'best driver' polls, Prost is lucky to get a mention in the top 5.
But still, very good list!
hhJACK92 1 year ago 3
@hhJACK92 I agree with the Prost thing. He was a much better driver as a complete package. Senna cheated his way to titles (sorry, but deliberately crashing into someone IS cheating).
I sort of regret putting Jochen at #5 (it turns out most people do seem to acknowledge he was one of the best drivers ever), but at the time I was struggling to think of alternatives!
KOSTAS22R 1 year ago
@KOSTAS22R " I agree with the Prost thing. He was a much better driver as a complete package." - Suzuka 1989 Case Closed. Poor thing, learn some facts, not media hype, dickless twat.
thylegion 10 months ago
@thylegion Why must you stoop to such low levels to make your own uninformed point? The only ignorance here is you are sucking up to 'media hype', the 'legendary' status of Senna who was only respected because people falsely admired his inflated ego. Suzuka 1989 was a desperate lunge by Senna, a rash move by a driver who thought he was invincible.
But, it is a shame another Senna fanboy ruins a video with his childish ranting. Please find a Schumi fan to flame with instead. Run along now.
KOSTAS22R 10 months ago
Oh and don't forget Badoer was the third Ferrari driver, but when Schumacher had the accident in Silverstone Ferrari replace him with... Badoer? No, SALO!!! And Salo was worse (surely) of Badoer
MegaMg84 1 year ago
Gilles Villeneuve was a legend (Enzo Ferrari said "I never saw anyone drive like him". No more words necessary). Jacques Villeneuve was the WORST driver of '90. He won a driver championship just because he drove the most powerfull car! And when the car he drove were not so fantastic... HIS CAREER WAS DOWN IN THE DRAIN! Badoer was better than many driver in the history
MegaMg84 1 year ago
The most underated driver is Adrian Sutil
TheManWithThePlanMan 1 year ago
Badoer....are you for real or what?
lazerpod66 1 year ago 6
Stefan Bellof's career ended all too soon. Similar story to Jochen Rindt, but I believe Bellof could have been mixing it with Senna and Prost at the end of the 80s had faith not intervened :(
52Paddy1991 1 year ago
recently I have been watching races from 1995. P. Martini is a shocking driver. Honestly. How was jochen R. underrated ? We all know his career could have been more than it was. Badoer never showed commitment to the job (at the first practice session of his career he was in the hotel banging chicks..)
Milanotjuh 1 year ago
@Milanotjuh and you are whats known as a man who doesnt know what hes talking about...
Martini scored more for Minardi then other driver for the team...
and as for badoer...please...the guy was better then barrichello,coulthard,panis he just got stumped with poor teams..Fisichella cudnt even score a point in the F60 badoer comes in after 10 years away fro mracing and not having driven an f1 car since december 2008 and just gets slagged of by idiots who hav no idea what there talking about...
nortsoldier 1 year ago
@nortsoldier I am talking about the 1995 season.. just watch a couple of them. You will never see a driver ignore/miss blue flags and spoiling the races of other drivers. Honestly, he created very dangerous situations. Im not saying badoer wasn't talented... ???
Milanotjuh 1 year ago
fuck who ever made this video ur typeo goes so fast its gonna make me blind
keytek9 2 years ago
Blame your school system.
Being Canadian must be difficult. Maybe you should sue your government for your own incompetence, just like your neighbours down south.
Or was that too complex to understand? Let me rephrase that in bastardized English:
U IZ AN IDIOT LYK.
KOSTAS22R 2 years ago 3
Wanted to point out the initial picture of Modena isn't actually him - it's a pic of Riccardo Patrese in a Brabham.
hyperwhizzkid 2 years ago
Google is stupid - I looked for him - found nothing apparent but someone in a BMW suit from back then...so it was the best I found lol.
But maybe I am deleting this and changing it a bit anyway, I don't know.
KOSTAS22R 2 years ago
It would be a shame if you deleted this video, it's still very good.
hyperwhizzkid 2 years ago
I'm very pleased to see someone give Badoer some credit, he is a lot better than his races at Ferrari suggested.
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jbutton113 2 years ago
Great video. I applauded when I saw Badoer!!
YukiNekoPrincess 2 years ago
Stefano Modena was really good, why did he leave at the end of 1992, he should of been put in a Ferrari
dazcouz 2 years ago