Mmmm ... I *love* this scene. : ) I can half-see why it was cut. (Maybe M-I thought Alec's bisexuality – as he is in the novel – would confuse audiences? It can't be because Rupert is too sexy, can it?) But the *dire* consequence of this cut is that Deleted Scene 5 had to go too to preserve continuity (as Alec refers back to 'the greenhouse ... stealing those grapes' when he's in bed with Maurice). At least two good reasons why bisexual!Alec should have stayed!
@OutrageousThings I think they could get away with it. For example, there's the part at Maurice's office where Alec says "'Scudder now is it?!'...'Alec, your dear fellow.' That's what you called me." which refers to where they say their goodbyes in the Russet Room which is in the novel but was not at all in the film.
@skyblazer7 Hi, In your example that's true. I'd love to think you're right, but I do think that Alec's reference to a very distinctive missing scene – 'I saw you in the greenhouse when I was stealing those grapes' – rather than a more comprehensible 'offscreen' endearment/goodbye – might have been the excuse for cutting it. However, Scene 5 could be reinserted if re-edited to (e.g.) 'First time I ever seen you I thought you did look at me angry and gentle both together'.
ah that's what the guy on the boat said to Maurice about Alac and the ladies. Thannks for uploading this. It makes the characters and their behavior more understandable.
Alec had it right, he did look "angry and gentle, both together." This scene was deleted? dumb move. Of course I wanted Alec in EVERY scene lol *sigh*
@skyemcleod1 I certainly liked alec as well. poor rupert graves didn't have much of a career. I remember him in damage,different for girls and another movie that I can't remember the nameof.
@ericnfan - He was in the recent TV series called Sherlock (updated Sherlock Holmes) and an episode of Branagh's version of Wallander. Few years ago he even played Shakespeare in Waste of Shame. I'd like him to be in more stuff too.
@ericnfan - Rupert - he has recently been in an unbelievably intense and moving film - Clapham Junction. A must see for every homophile. (Spoiler - crushingly sad ending)
There used to be a fan vid between Maurice and Clive with the backgorund song "Memories" by Within Temptaion. Does anyone know where it's gone now? I've tried looking for it but I can't seem to find the video on youtube.
I am glad too that it ended happily (of course with World War I coming it is not without clouds). The dedication To a Happier Year is so well chosen. I am happy Merchant/Ivory chose James Wilby though I am against the Risley scene involved. This bit could have been included...only 52 seconds...
I find the suicide scenes very powerful and they would have given the younger audience some historical context - I'm sure many younger people would watch it now and wonder what all the *angst* was about!
The Risley scene would have been a good indication of how serious a situation you were in as a gay man then if you were not discreet - which is to say totally closeted and living a life of constant fear
True point here, but it would not have required an invented scene to show how serious the situation of a gay man was. In the book, it is not fully explained why Clive changed all of a sudden. It is a fault of Forster's novel which was 'corrected' by Merchant Ivory, adding this scene, still, I do not like it, however, the involving if this scene is the only point I disagree with so "let's not mention it again, all right", as Clive and Maurice would say while kissing hands. :)
I've always found it a bit 'running off with the gardener fantasy' but on the other hand, the dearth of happy endings for gay relationships in literature/film until fairly recently means that I can forgive it that.
Finally! With the deleted footage restored Clive is revealed as the scheming bitch he always was, Maurice looks less priggish, nay, positively heroic, and Scudder is...sexy. He was always sexy. Pass the smelling salts.
@hellywellyxyz123 - I agree. Alec enters the film very late (I know we see him briefly when Maurice first goes round Clive's house but still) so the film can't build Alec and Maurice's relationship in the way that Maurice and Clive's has been built.
It would be wonderful someone could get permission to restore all of the deleted scenes into one magnificent movie. These deleted scenes add so much to my understanding of the characters and how they interact with one another.
Mmmm ... I *love* this scene. : ) I can half-see why it was cut. (Maybe M-I thought Alec's bisexuality – as he is in the novel – would confuse audiences? It can't be because Rupert is too sexy, can it?) But the *dire* consequence of this cut is that Deleted Scene 5 had to go too to preserve continuity (as Alec refers back to 'the greenhouse ... stealing those grapes' when he's in bed with Maurice). At least two good reasons why bisexual!Alec should have stayed!
OutrageousThings 2 months ago
@OutrageousThings I think they could get away with it. For example, there's the part at Maurice's office where Alec says "'Scudder now is it?!'...'Alec, your dear fellow.' That's what you called me." which refers to where they say their goodbyes in the Russet Room which is in the novel but was not at all in the film.
skyblazer7 2 months ago
@skyblazer7 Hi, In your example that's true. I'd love to think you're right, but I do think that Alec's reference to a very distinctive missing scene – 'I saw you in the greenhouse when I was stealing those grapes' – rather than a more comprehensible 'offscreen' endearment/goodbye – might have been the excuse for cutting it. However, Scene 5 could be reinserted if re-edited to (e.g.) 'First time I ever seen you I thought you did look at me angry and gentle both together'.
OutrageousThings 2 months ago
Poor Maurice does a lot of brooding and walking at Pendersley, eh? Rupert as Alec is so yummy!
Katrinawitch 5 months ago
Lmao I like how they got caught but they're still all "...nomnomnom..."
zaitesushion 1 year ago 9
was this before or after there was something between Maurice and Alec?
Clearie552 1 year ago
@Clearie552 This scene (in the novel) is the very first time Maurice sees Alec: 'The girls were damned ugly, which the man wasn't'.
OutrageousThings 2 months ago
Too bad this was cut.
billyguns2 2 years ago
love the way James holds his cigarette in front of himself..
sweetbosie 2 years ago 9
ah that's what the guy on the boat said to Maurice about Alac and the ladies. Thannks for uploading this. It makes the characters and their behavior more understandable.
mysticgodess 2 years ago 3
Alec had it right, he did look "angry and gentle, both together." This scene was deleted? dumb move. Of course I wanted Alec in EVERY scene lol *sigh*
skyemcleod1 2 years ago 33
@skyemcleod1 I certainly liked alec as well. poor rupert graves didn't have much of a career. I remember him in damage,different for girls and another movie that I can't remember the nameof.
ericnfan 1 year ago
@ericnfan I remember a website of his some years ago and him saying that he didn't want to be typecast in gay characters.
MzMeanE 1 year ago
@ericnfan - He was in the recent TV series called Sherlock (updated Sherlock Holmes) and an episode of Branagh's version of Wallander. Few years ago he even played Shakespeare in Waste of Shame. I'd like him to be in more stuff too.
missbabyice 1 year ago
@ericnfan - Rupert - he has recently been in an unbelievably intense and moving film - Clapham Junction. A must see for every homophile. (Spoiler - crushingly sad ending)
jhr459 6 months ago
@jhr459 why always the crushing endings? :( don't they want to please us?
buttersyrupnpancakes 2 months ago
There used to be a fan vid between Maurice and Clive with the backgorund song "Memories" by Within Temptaion. Does anyone know where it's gone now? I've tried looking for it but I can't seem to find the video on youtube.
Perhaps youtube deleted it? Anyone has any idea?
corn2head 3 years ago
Having said that the great weakness of Forster's book is that the ending seems a little tacked on because he was determined to write a happy ending
E. M. Forster himself felt that introducing Scudder so late in the novel weakened it and it's maybe reflected in the movie
Persanally I think it's worth it and I forgive it these slight flaws - I *LOVE* the fact that it ends happily even if it's a bit unbelievable!
grai 3 years ago 5
I am glad too that it ended happily (of course with World War I coming it is not without clouds). The dedication To a Happier Year is so well chosen. I am happy Merchant/Ivory chose James Wilby though I am against the Risley scene involved. This bit could have been included...only 52 seconds...
sweetbosie 3 years ago
I find the suicide scenes very powerful and they would have given the younger audience some historical context - I'm sure many younger people would watch it now and wonder what all the *angst* was about!
The Risley scene would have been a good indication of how serious a situation you were in as a gay man then if you were not discreet - which is to say totally closeted and living a life of constant fear
grai 3 years ago 7
True point here, but it would not have required an invented scene to show how serious the situation of a gay man was. In the book, it is not fully explained why Clive changed all of a sudden. It is a fault of Forster's novel which was 'corrected' by Merchant Ivory, adding this scene, still, I do not like it, however, the involving if this scene is the only point I disagree with so "let's not mention it again, all right", as Clive and Maurice would say while kissing hands. :)
sweetbosie 3 years ago
I've given you a thumbs up!
grai 3 years ago
Oh why? I only take gold :)
sweetbosie 3 years ago
I've always found it a bit 'running off with the gardener fantasy' but on the other hand, the dearth of happy endings for gay relationships in literature/film until fairly recently means that I can forgive it that.
queeniefox 3 years ago
All too true!
carrotjuse 2 years ago
@queeniefox - Ah, the Chatterley effect- written at least a decade before Lady Chatterley was published!
missbabyice 1 year ago 3
Finally! With the deleted footage restored Clive is revealed as the scheming bitch he always was, Maurice looks less priggish, nay, positively heroic, and Scudder is...sexy. He was always sexy. Pass the smelling salts.
troubleasusual 3 years ago 49
truncated is the right word for the latter part. restore the extra bits with alec and it would add a lot to the feeling of the film
hellywellyxyz123 3 years ago 5
@hellywellyxyz123 - I agree. Alec enters the film very late (I know we see him briefly when Maurice first goes round Clive's house but still) so the film can't build Alec and Maurice's relationship in the way that Maurice and Clive's has been built.
missbabyice 1 year ago
it would make much more sense, the movie did feel a bit..."truncated".
Kirsikka7 3 years ago 7
It would be wonderful someone could get permission to restore all of the deleted scenes into one magnificent movie. These deleted scenes add so much to my understanding of the characters and how they interact with one another.
billyguns2 3 years ago 7