However, the Council of Trent anathematized the opinion that 100% of the Roman Liturgy ought to be in the vernacular, and thereby advocated the preservation of parts of the Mass reserved for Latin alone. Likewise, Vatican II did not say anything contrary to that, and mandated that Latin ought to remain in the Liturgy. It was only afterward and without the authority of the Council that Masses began to be regularly celebrated without a shred of Latin and completely in the vernacular, which as far
Congratulations on your beautiful marriage, and may God grant you both the grace necessary to endure in joy and love together unto the end.
One thing I would say however regarding what you said about the vernacular is that we have to be careful with what we mean by it. If we mean a large amount of the liturgy being celebrated in a common language, but some parts being reserved for Latin, great. Nothing wrong with that at all.
I mean, if it was a complete Traditional Marriage with Mass, the godmothers should have covered their shoulders, their heads (with a veil) and... The Priest should have said the prayers in Latin!
I'm impressed that there are still Traditional Catholic Marriages, but they should follow the "manners" of it in a "more accurate way", following the "protocole" for them.
(By the way, why six godmothers??)
Anyway, congratulations for the young couple. God bless you!
@jumven The points you make are well-taken. My wife and I were relatively new to tradition at the time of our marriage. Had we known what we know now, we would have made more modest choices regarding the attire. I think it is important for everyone to put the wedding in the context of the time. It occurred in 2003. Long before the Motu Proprio and nuptial masses in the Tridentine form were not officially allowed. We were blessed just have it although it was imperfect. Thanks for watching.
@navymsc Well, I could imagine that. I congratulate you and your wife again for the marriage, moreover after having notice that it was made before Summorum Pontificum, what adds a new interesting point in it. I didn't say it was "imperfect", but maybe it didn't follow a more accurate way, that's all. The blessing and the marriage is valid despite human detail-imperfections. May God bless you and your wife!
@jumven Nonsense! godmothers - wrong sacrament. That would be baptism. Cover teh shoulders? Are you a total prude? Protocole - incorrect spelling. As far as I know "manners" is not a proper liturgical term. Rubrics is the word you might be searching for. At least it was not in Latin!
@jumven Technically as far as I know, a person CAN get a dispensation for The TRL (Traditional Roman Liturgy) to be celebrated in the vernacular. The vernacular DOES NOT need to be a dirty word amongst Traditionalists. Form supercedes language in such cases. I mean Byzantine and Oriental Catholics have reverent Liturgies that are sometimes conducted in hieratic forms of the vernacular (Arabic wasn't originally a liturgical tongue of The Church.). Likewise, The Roman Rite has vernacular forms.
I've been planning the music for my own nuptial mass coming up on July 2nd of this year. I was happy to find this video series as I have just moved out of DC and was a parishioner of St. Mary's TLM. My last name (and that of my bride to be) is also O'Neill. Strange world.
I've been planning the music for my own nuptial mass coming up on July 2nd of this year. I was happy to find this video series as I have just moved out of DC and was a parishioner of St. Mary's TLM. My last name (and that of my bride to be) is also O'Neill. Strange world.
as I know is dangerously close to that anathema.
pj100003 3 weeks ago
However, the Council of Trent anathematized the opinion that 100% of the Roman Liturgy ought to be in the vernacular, and thereby advocated the preservation of parts of the Mass reserved for Latin alone. Likewise, Vatican II did not say anything contrary to that, and mandated that Latin ought to remain in the Liturgy. It was only afterward and without the authority of the Council that Masses began to be regularly celebrated without a shred of Latin and completely in the vernacular, which as far
pj100003 3 weeks ago
Congratulations on your beautiful marriage, and may God grant you both the grace necessary to endure in joy and love together unto the end.
One thing I would say however regarding what you said about the vernacular is that we have to be careful with what we mean by it. If we mean a large amount of the liturgy being celebrated in a common language, but some parts being reserved for Latin, great. Nothing wrong with that at all.
pj100003 3 weeks ago
I cannot understand something.
I mean, if it was a complete Traditional Marriage with Mass, the godmothers should have covered their shoulders, their heads (with a veil) and... The Priest should have said the prayers in Latin!
I'm impressed that there are still Traditional Catholic Marriages, but they should follow the "manners" of it in a "more accurate way", following the "protocole" for them.
(By the way, why six godmothers??)
Anyway, congratulations for the young couple. God bless you!
jumven 5 months ago
@jumven The points you make are well-taken. My wife and I were relatively new to tradition at the time of our marriage. Had we known what we know now, we would have made more modest choices regarding the attire. I think it is important for everyone to put the wedding in the context of the time. It occurred in 2003. Long before the Motu Proprio and nuptial masses in the Tridentine form were not officially allowed. We were blessed just have it although it was imperfect. Thanks for watching.
navymsc 5 months ago
@navymsc Well, I could imagine that. I congratulate you and your wife again for the marriage, moreover after having notice that it was made before Summorum Pontificum, what adds a new interesting point in it. I didn't say it was "imperfect", but maybe it didn't follow a more accurate way, that's all. The blessing and the marriage is valid despite human detail-imperfections. May God bless you and your wife!
jumven 5 months ago
As to the "bridesmaids"... (Americans define "godmothers" differently. )
In America, it is customary to have an equal number of bridesmaids for the groomsmen or ushers.
navymsc 5 months ago
@jumven Wedding rite should be in englis should it not?
treeloop98 4 months ago
@jumven Nonsense! godmothers - wrong sacrament. That would be baptism. Cover teh shoulders? Are you a total prude? Protocole - incorrect spelling. As far as I know "manners" is not a proper liturgical term. Rubrics is the word you might be searching for. At least it was not in Latin!
italorosa32 3 months ago
@jumven Technically as far as I know, a person CAN get a dispensation for The TRL (Traditional Roman Liturgy) to be celebrated in the vernacular. The vernacular DOES NOT need to be a dirty word amongst Traditionalists. Form supercedes language in such cases. I mean Byzantine and Oriental Catholics have reverent Liturgies that are sometimes conducted in hieratic forms of the vernacular (Arabic wasn't originally a liturgical tongue of The Church.). Likewise, The Roman Rite has vernacular forms.
east02west 2 months ago
@east02west .. within The Mission Uses of North America.
east02west 2 months ago
latin mass is very good for ever
LIUSONGPIUS 8 months ago
I've been planning the music for my own nuptial mass coming up on July 2nd of this year. I was happy to find this video series as I have just moved out of DC and was a parishioner of St. Mary's TLM. My last name (and that of my bride to be) is also O'Neill. Strange world.
May God be with you.
TheLastAlpacasaurus 10 months ago
I've been planning the music for my own nuptial mass coming up on July 2nd of this year. I was happy to find this video series as I have just moved out of DC and was a parishioner of St. Mary's TLM. My last name (and that of my bride to be) is also O'Neill. Strange world.
May God be with you.
TheLastAlpacasaurus 10 months ago
Wow all I can say is beautiful. God bless you and your wife,congratulations on your wedding, and THANK you for your service to our country!
DaTruthIsFrightening 1 year ago