This battle is claimed to be the largest gathering of samurai in japanese history. Which involved roughly 160k samurai both sides combined. In China Kingdoms would field armies as large 800k-1mil, it would have been impossible for the japanese do much of invading, not to mention the obvious difficult supply lines and transportation. The chinese could wield forks and beat Japan's entire army just by sheer numbers lol
AMAZING, I wish that Japan had a more expantionist history instead of China back in the day. Having the Japanese Shogun invade Mongolia & China instead of mostly the other way around could have been a Game Changer in the Pacific. I also Wonder how well a Shogun Army could have done against a Western Army of its time.
@Wolfen443 Toyotomi Hideyoshi tried to invade China via Korea, but was completely and outclassed and got defeated pretty badly by the Ming dynasty's military.
@ppshchik No you are incorrect. The main reason the Japanese were defeated was due to the Korean naval victories and supply problems as well as the Buddhist monk warriors in Korea. Although the Chinese did make life tough for the Japanese, the samurai also inflicted some serious defeats on the Chinese forces. The Chinese forces also suffered from seriously stretched supply lines. The Ming dynasty did not last much longer after the Korean fighting also.
@tornados28 1. Who retook Pyongyang? Who retook Seoul? It was the Ming
2. Korean naval victories are insignificant because they are quite small and only concentrated on small encounters, Yi Soon Shin has to carefully plan so that he will not be overwhelmed by the larger Japanese navy
3. The Japanese fought the Koreans and hold their ground BUT when they saw Ming soldeirs, they fled
4. Japanese defeat of Ming soldiers are mostly in the sieges where the Japanese position cannons and early guns
@071590z I'm not saying the Ming didn't have impact on the war-just that they weren't the overriding, sole reason the Japanese were defeated like some would have one believe. I do think the Ming presence and troops prevented a lot of bloodshed that would otherwise have taken place in a drawn out, years long guerrilla war between the Japanese and Koreans (even more bloodshed than actually took place between the three countries).
@tornados28 I do believe that eventually the Japanese would have been worn down and have left without the Ming intervention, but of course that's impossible to say. Without command of the sea and an effective navy, it's tough to maintain a presence in a foreign land across a large body of water-just like the Mongols, Chinese, and Koreans found out three centuries before when the shoe was on the other foot and the Mongol Invasion of Japan failed.
@tornados28 Kenneth Swope's book on the war in my opinion is biased toward the Ming and how effective they were. As I said above, yes the Ming put some serious hurt on the Japanese, but Swope like others inflates the effectiveness of the Ming army. Samuel Hawley's book on the Imjin War in my opinion is the most thorough and unbiased book on the subject in English. He explains the difficulty the Ming had and how much effect the Korean Navy had which WAS substantial.
@tornados28 1. All I can said is the Korean navy did defeated the Japanese Navy
2. But naval battles did not affect the overall tide of war until the Ming army attacked and join the war.
3, From that onwards, Japan has been pushed from Imjin River back to Pyongyang and then to Seoul.
4. Please research Yi Soon Shin naval campaigns first
5. The second campaign which lasted from 1597 to 1598 was not Korean naval success, it was trapped on Korea's southern coastline by 100 thousand Ming soldiers
@071590z I understand your point but when the naval battles began to affect the war does not matter in regards to when the Ming invaded. The fact is the naval superiority of the Korean navy had a very large impact that had nothing to do with the Ming. Yes the Japanese were pushed back but I think that was more to do with extremely stretched supply lines and less to do with the Ming. The fact is the Japanese raced ahead of their supply lines and that was a huge mistake.
@tornados28 The second campaign was a lackluster campaign that the Japanese daimyo did not support. They only reluctantly participated due to Hideyoshi's power. And remember, the most powerful Japanese forces, those of Tokugawa Ieyasu's armies, did not participate in the Imjin War at all.
@tornados28 U are a bloody noob, no asians luv the japanese, only ignorant westerners luv samurai blah blah, japanese history are barbarians, pirates, invaders, and which asians luv them? chinese hate them, koreans hate them, filipinos hate them, americans their co called allies USA orders them around japanese culture are mostly copied from korea china mongolia mainland asia
@071590z I have researched the naval campaigns. I have read Swope, Hawley and even the somewhat flawed Turnbull. I have also researched on Samurai Archives which is actually a good and unbiased source on the web.
gold horned=hukushima masanori white helmet=ukita hideie white sercle flag=toudou takatora mustached mask=ootani yoshitsugu tridented helmet=kyogoku takatomo rectangler=kuroda nagamasa riveted helmet=shima sakon lissotrichia=hosokawa tadaoki gold horne and brow with black hair=ishida mitsunari cross flag=shimazu yoshihiro and his nephew toyohisa old man with gold fan=tokugawa ieyasu informed to ieyasu=honda masazumi orange wear=kikkawa hiroie,his army was having lunch and didnt join the battle
Actually after watching a bit more of it, I think the guy (@ 2:58) with the shovel looking ("Ichi no Tani" style) topped helmet is Nagamasa. He was known to have used both types of helmets (I think the Osprey book shows him wearing the Ichi no Tani type of helmet at Sekigahara. I think that's his mon on the banner behind him. Sorry for the confusion. Best to get someone translate the subtitles to be sure who's who.
This battle is claimed to be the largest gathering of samurai in japanese history. Which involved roughly 160k samurai both sides combined. In China Kingdoms would field armies as large 800k-1mil, it would have been impossible for the japanese do much of invading, not to mention the obvious difficult supply lines and transportation. The chinese could wield forks and beat Japan's entire army just by sheer numbers lol
ZhouyuOda 1 month ago 2
Where can I download this movie?
JoaoBraganca11 2 months ago
AMAZING, I wish that Japan had a more expantionist history instead of China back in the day. Having the Japanese Shogun invade Mongolia & China instead of mostly the other way around could have been a Game Changer in the Pacific. I also Wonder how well a Shogun Army could have done against a Western Army of its time.
Wolfen443 2 months ago
@Wolfen443 Toyotomi Hideyoshi tried to invade China via Korea, but was completely and outclassed and got defeated pretty badly by the Ming dynasty's military.
ppshchik 1 month ago
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@ppshchik No you are incorrect. The main reason the Japanese were defeated was due to the Korean naval victories and supply problems as well as the Buddhist monk warriors in Korea. Although the Chinese did make life tough for the Japanese, the samurai also inflicted some serious defeats on the Chinese forces. The Chinese forces also suffered from seriously stretched supply lines. The Ming dynasty did not last much longer after the Korean fighting also.
tornados28 1 month ago
@tornados28 1. Who retook Pyongyang? Who retook Seoul? It was the Ming
2. Korean naval victories are insignificant because they are quite small and only concentrated on small encounters, Yi Soon Shin has to carefully plan so that he will not be overwhelmed by the larger Japanese navy
3. The Japanese fought the Koreans and hold their ground BUT when they saw Ming soldeirs, they fled
4. Japanese defeat of Ming soldiers are mostly in the sieges where the Japanese position cannons and early guns
071590z 1 month ago 4
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@071590z You are clearly biased toward the Ming Chinese so no point debating you. It was not as clean and dominant by the Chinese as you think.
tornados28 1 month ago
@tornados28 1. You shouldn't say I am biased towards Ming, You should try and refute my points
2. Historical debates should be based on evidence and facts not biasness
3, You accuse me of bias towards Ming? I am not a descendant from Ming and I am from Singapore National University of Singapore (NUS)
4. Which university are you from? Before you accuse people of anything, please refute my points and then stop personal attacks
5. And also do your research properly before you come to Internet
071590z 1 month ago 4
@071590z I'm not saying the Ming didn't have impact on the war-just that they weren't the overriding, sole reason the Japanese were defeated like some would have one believe. I do think the Ming presence and troops prevented a lot of bloodshed that would otherwise have taken place in a drawn out, years long guerrilla war between the Japanese and Koreans (even more bloodshed than actually took place between the three countries).
tornados28 1 month ago
@tornados28 I do believe that eventually the Japanese would have been worn down and have left without the Ming intervention, but of course that's impossible to say. Without command of the sea and an effective navy, it's tough to maintain a presence in a foreign land across a large body of water-just like the Mongols, Chinese, and Koreans found out three centuries before when the shoe was on the other foot and the Mongol Invasion of Japan failed.
tornados28 1 month ago
@tornados28 Kenneth Swope's book on the war in my opinion is biased toward the Ming and how effective they were. As I said above, yes the Ming put some serious hurt on the Japanese, but Swope like others inflates the effectiveness of the Ming army. Samuel Hawley's book on the Imjin War in my opinion is the most thorough and unbiased book on the subject in English. He explains the difficulty the Ming had and how much effect the Korean Navy had which WAS substantial.
tornados28 1 month ago
@tornados28 1. All I can said is the Korean navy did defeated the Japanese Navy
2. But naval battles did not affect the overall tide of war until the Ming army attacked and join the war.
3, From that onwards, Japan has been pushed from Imjin River back to Pyongyang and then to Seoul.
4. Please research Yi Soon Shin naval campaigns first
5. The second campaign which lasted from 1597 to 1598 was not Korean naval success, it was trapped on Korea's southern coastline by 100 thousand Ming soldiers
071590z 1 month ago
@071590z I understand your point but when the naval battles began to affect the war does not matter in regards to when the Ming invaded. The fact is the naval superiority of the Korean navy had a very large impact that had nothing to do with the Ming. Yes the Japanese were pushed back but I think that was more to do with extremely stretched supply lines and less to do with the Ming. The fact is the Japanese raced ahead of their supply lines and that was a huge mistake.
tornados28 1 month ago
@tornados28 The second campaign was a lackluster campaign that the Japanese daimyo did not support. They only reluctantly participated due to Hideyoshi's power. And remember, the most powerful Japanese forces, those of Tokugawa Ieyasu's armies, did not participate in the Imjin War at all.
tornados28 1 month ago
@tornados28 U are a bloody noob, no asians luv the japanese, only ignorant westerners luv samurai blah blah, japanese history are barbarians, pirates, invaders, and which asians luv them? chinese hate them, koreans hate them, filipinos hate them, americans their co called allies USA orders them around japanese culture are mostly copied from korea china mongolia mainland asia
1KoreanEmpire 3 weeks ago
@1KoreanEmpire And you a fucking idiot just for calling me a noob, Moron. I know you're a troll but you are still a dumb fuck.
tornados28 3 weeks ago
@071590z I have researched the naval campaigns. I have read Swope, Hawley and even the somewhat flawed Turnbull. I have also researched on Samurai Archives which is actually a good and unbiased source on the web.
tornados28 1 month ago
Any versions of this out there with English subtitles?
revans618 3 months ago
No watching number ! you are fool ?
flyingfinfin 3 months ago
What TV drama is this from?
Abcormal 4 months ago
@Abcormal tokugawa aoi sandai
Lee7676 3 months ago
avirunrun 5 months ago
i would just love to fight as a general in that battle......japanaese histiry forever...lol
MitsosSasuke 6 months ago
Ah, my friend always talk about fighting in Sekigahara lol
Entei2000 6 months ago
@Entei2000
Nice friend you have!
YakumoKousaka 6 months ago
@YakumoKousaka haha. I wish though yeah been Samurai and die on battlefield huh
Entei2000 6 months ago
Can anyone tell me who the generals are?
grifflyman 10 months ago
@grifflyman just look it up on wikipedia
Entei2000 9 months ago
@grifflyman - I think the horned helmet guy is Kurodo Nagamasa - if so, he was on the right flank of the Tokugawa forces.
feldwebel999 8 months ago
Actually after watching a bit more of it, I think the guy (@ 2:58) with the shovel looking ("Ichi no Tani" style) topped helmet is Nagamasa. He was known to have used both types of helmets (I think the Osprey book shows him wearing the Ichi no Tani type of helmet at Sekigahara. I think that's his mon on the banner behind him. Sorry for the confusion. Best to get someone translate the subtitles to be sure who's who.
feldwebel999 8 months ago
@feldwebel999 the guy with the shovel looking helmet is Kuroda Nagamasa. (btw im japanese lol)
and im not sure what kind of horn u are referring to, but the first guy that shows up with the horned helmet is Fukushima Masanori(福島正則)
should i write the whole list of generals who come up on this portion who has subtitles? lol
thunder4310 7 months ago