i own several DS-1 from Japan and Taiwan... The Japanese ones are louder with more gain and the Taiwan models are thinner and harsher...Whatever MOD this is has ruined that particular DS-!....Sounds crappier than the Taiwan models..IDK why anyone would want to MOD a DS-1...
1- mod pedal is the second pedal, it is after the original, mean the signal goes in after passes two buffers inside the first pedal.
2- mod pedal has more gain having more noise, more than accept in an electronic conception. How can compare the sound if one is much more louder than other? More gain does not mean better.
3-modify circuit changing diodes by other diodes or leds is tranform one pedal in another pedal. you pay for one DS1 and pay Keely to make it a SD1. kkkkk
hey! how would it be if i connected a Boss HM-2 pedal with a Stock Boss DS-1? Im looking for an old school death metal sound.. similar to Death or Obituary.
The HM-2 is great but it sort of needs something to control its output.. my amps distortion just sucks so i keep it on clean
esta no es la diferencia como todos los guitarristas experimentados saben que cada pedalera tiene su sonido y hay que regularselo no es cuestion de meterle dos pedales en el mismo amplificador
@edcruz79 Well....all depends on what your plans are for it. If you're just looking to sell for a profit(and not a big one IF at all), then leave it alone. If you like what the Keeley mod does for it, then modify.
I dont if the people who watch this video or the uploader really can get down to component level electronics wise but I have a little bit of an issue with my Keeley DS1. The SEM and the ultramod works great but when operating the pedal, I noticed too much compression. I hear a volume decrease before the note. I have to turn the gain way down on my guitar to reduce the issue. Does anyone know any things I could try or change to reduce or eliminate the compression?
Hey guys, and to anyone who could answer it, I have a Peavey Vypyr 15W amp, and for the clean channel (also using a distortion pedal with it) I use the Plxi amp model, and a Behringer Ultra Metal UM300 for distortion, but I can't get the low end to sound good. Would a BOSS DS-1 sound better to cover low, mid, and high end? I tried it on the other clean sounding channels, and it sounds cold. I want some warmth with it. Any suggestions?
Well, years ago I used to be in the car audio business. We always said the best thing was to use the EQ to "shape" a good sound. Most people use EQ's as "bandaids" to fix bad sounds. To each their own but since I think the Keeley sounds better, I personally would go that route first, then apply whatever EQ to it.
Don't know about the Monte Allums. I've heard that they are good. There is also a guy by the name of "Wampler". I had purchased one of his pedal mod books and he had a couple of mods for the DS-1. Never tried them out but they do sound good! There is a guy here by the name of "PLUMBdogg" who has a video on those.
As for this mod, it makes the DS-1 sound fuller, richer and eliminates the thin, tinny sound the stock one has.
From Keeley or ebay would be good places to start. You could do it yourself but you need some minor electrical knowledge, some soldering skills and not to mention the right pieces.
Hmm... well I have never heard the Grunge pedal but Digitech makes good stuff. I have their older looping pedal which is killer.
Since I can do the mod myself I would pick the DS-1 though, I would NEVER use it unmodded. If you can't do the mod or have no way of getting it modded, then maybe the grunge pedal would work out better. Again I have not heard the Grunge pedal but am basing it on the fact that anything has got to be better than a stock DS-1 pedal.
@McKinoza : dude there's nothing wrong with the unmodded version... You probably should have boosted the volume a bit for this demo. It's unfair not to. I think weezer pretty much used the DS-1 on everything.... so you can't say the unmodded version isn't worth getting.
@Peruviandude96 Dude,the Digitech Grunge pedal sucks bad! If your looking for the best pedal for heavy metal,check out the Eagletone Metal End.I just bought one brand new one on ebay for 50 bucks total and it rivals my Radial Tonebone Plexitube and my Hardwire Metal Distortion except that the Metal End has more tonal possibilities.If you can't find one made by Eagletone,then check under Biyang Metal End,they are the exact same pedal except sold by two different companies.
@lute760 hey, wut would u say is the difference between overdrive and distortion. like, wut if i put my amp on medium distortion, and then turn on an overdrive pedal. wuts the difference between that sound and a distortion pedal turned on while the amps on a clean channel?
@Peruviandude96 Its mostly just the combination. If you have a medium gain on the amp, then you have that amount of the Amp's gain, mixed with that extra push from the pedal. To have just a dist pedal while on the clean of the amp, would be the sound of the dist. pedal mixed with the clean of the amp, rather then the dist. of the amp with a push. In my opinion, Amp distortion is always better then pedals, but thats if you play on a real amp.
@lute760 I just bought mine a few days ago, and its on its way in the mail. I'm really hoping this thing will be much better then my shitty metal muff pedal. lol
@McKinoza Right now I have a Carvin x100b 80's issue, and I have to play through the clean channel because I have a shitty Metal Muff pedal. [Way too fizzy in my opinion] and someone tried to mod my amp but hardly changed anything and my amp's distortion is thin, but I've got a Biyand/Eagletone Metal End on its way in the mail, and when I get it I'll get back to you on how that pedal sounds.
Holy hell! The lick you play at 1:53 on the regular pedal sounds pretty thin and brittle to me, and then that same lick played at 1:58 with the Keeley one sounds ballsy as all hell. To me, it's not just a volume difference, it's a huge tonal and attack difference. So you didn't change anything on your guitar between those two examples, McKinoza?
Nothing was changed except turning one pedal off and turning on the other pedal. I have had people say that the order of pedal placement/one going through the other one, etc makes a difference but... I wouldn't think it that noticeable.
I have a MIJ DS-1 that is modded exactly like this one haha. Was checking on youtube to see whats the diff and if its actually Keeley modded haha. Yup this video worked =D
The sound is definitely thicker and has more midrange with the mod. Does Boss make the DS-1 with the mod already added, or do they make another distortion pedal that simulates that sound?
Not really, yes you could match the output volume, say set them both to 100dB but the sound would be different.
You know that sound effect some songs use where it starts out sounding like AM radio then it morph into FM sound, that's more like the difference. Kinda like Pink Floyd's Wish You Were Here intro.
ok i get the point.... so they look exactly the same but the one on the left is clearly better. so whats the point? should we not by from ebay? are boss making 2 different types of pedals? do we need to look from pedals in certain country?.... what?
You take a stock pedal, open it up, switch out some pieces, and it changes the sound. Yes you can find them on ebay. Some that have been modded by people themselves or some from Keeley.
@McKinoza aha! ok, now i see the difference. sorry i didnt see the swithch when i watched it 1st time. i probably shouldnt make comments when drunk. sounds great, do they have upgrades for the boss dd-7?
@sourcehacker You can buy the kit on ebay for around $30, send your pedal to Keeley Electronics and they'll mod it for $75, or you can buy the modded pedal from Musician's Friend or right from Keeley for $130.
I think to accurately hear the mod effect done to these pedals is to play them on a TUBE amp in the clean channel. These pedals are solidstate and playing them through a solidstate amp, though the VT30 uses one 12x7a, it is still not considered a tube amp but a modeling amp, and amp that samples the tone of other amps by using DSP chips. Play it through a Fender Blues jr, Vox AC4TV or a Marshall Class 5 all tube amp.
Apart from the big diffeence in volume, I think that the one with the mod has a lot more headroom like you 're using a clean booster. By the way how could one get this mod to his ds-1?
Mmmmh, there is a very big difference of output level and also more sharp tones... the original DS-1 tends to have 'muddy' middle and bass sounds, especially as overdrive/gain is increased.
That's the reason why I stopped using my original DS-1. If I was good enough at soldering I would modify it, but so scared to cripple it.
@McKinoza haha dude im just fucking with you. there so many people just ripping on all this unimportant shit. this vid was actually helpful tho. i didnt end up getting it but thanks anyways haha
@McKinoza Actually, it doesn't sound bad, it's just hard to tell what the true difference is because for one thing, it's louder. It could be just acting like a clean boost to the amp. A fairer comparison would be to try them at the same effective level.
@FrothySpoons - wow FrothySpoons, I guess your a genius then. You certainly know your shit.
What could be happening is that the gain on the mod drives the "golden", yes "golden" AD30VT (yes modelling amp) harder, resulting in the increase in tone. But we'll never know, will we?...since the only difference might be gain.
The mod very well might be an improvement, but since the gain difference is so vast, it makes it impossible to tell.
Sorry, but those pedal sound like crap playing through that Vox ad30VT. Those pedals sound much better on an all tube amp in the clean channel. Use it with a Vox AC4TV. It will sound much better.
@gmlasam This is to compare these 2 pedals to EACH other not a VOX30VT to an AC4TV. I'm sure it may sound better, of course then you would get people saying "it would sound better through a Marshal XXX, or a Fender XXX". Its probably more pilot error than anything but the comparison is the pedals not amps.
@McKinoza No pilot error at all. I'm just saying these solid state pedals sound very thin with no dynamics when played through a solid state amp making it difficult to really tell the difference aside from one being louder than the other. Its like double negatives. These pedals, the DS-1, were made during the time tube amps were heavily used so their voicing was tailored more for tube amps. The Vox AD30VT has so much gain already and it does not require an external distortion pedal.
@PhuckHue2 Good question. While I know that the caps act as frequency filters, I wouldn't know which one would maximize bass. It would probably be more than one component and then again all personal preference.
why do these things sound broken? i played a stock one on these settings and it sounds way more awesome. what are your amp settings? and what amp are you using?
@McKinoza sure thing! in advance, i'll tell you my equipment: fender mexican nashville deluxe telecaster and a vox night train hooked up to a mojo music celestion gold 12"
What's the difference between an old ds1 made in japan and a modern modded ds1 keeley ? my question is about tone not about circuits and stuff like that... thank u
@kurdt47clon the only things that are different ARE the circuts and stuff like that. the japanese ones have different capacitors and such, and the keely mod has a tone switch
Tone switch? There is no "tone" switch that changes anything. The switch just adds an additional diode adding to the thicker sounds. The change in tone comes from other changes. To me, tone refers to frequencies and those changes are made by replacing capacitors.
I feel that is you adjust the volume to match then you could also adjust the DIST setting to match. If one produced more distortion at the same setting then you reduce the higher one for a true comparison which at that point would negate the comparison. If one sounded deeper and fuller then you could adjust the TONE setting on the other one again voiding the comparison.
While I understand I don't agree. There may not be a true way to compare these 2 then.
im getting one (stock), i already have a fuzz face, a big muff, superfuzz, octavio, but what the hey?
if you are looking for distortion, go with this, and dont hate. kurt made it sound good, why cant you? it may sound like garbage, but as with every pedal, its just a matter of how you use it.
It's unfortunate the settings are so that the unmodded is quieter. Things that are louder always sound better (psychoacoustic something or other). Not saying the mod isn't an improvment: it's fat for sure. But a good comparison would make sure they have the same loudness...
Yeah - that's a true point: on the same settings they sound different.
But to find out whether the mod actually made it sound _better_ or just _louder_ one would want to offset the volume change and compare the tones at the same volume.
Good comparison. I like the way that the Keeley very much seems to retain the tone of the stock pedal, whilst sounding so much fuller. And I really had never noticed that the stock DS-1 sounded that thin before (I thought it did, but not that much...). Stark contrast indeed.
good day to you! i had a boss ds-1 and after watching your video i'am planning to modify it. but i have a question for what is the use of that little toggle switch on a modded ds-1?
@urheadonastick it would be to expensive to mass produce these things. They make great pedals but keeping these things at a reasonable price is still a priority...which I can't blame them for. I think Keeley did an article on this subject.
Actually I did- I bought a mod kit off Ebay ,it made my DS1 sound way better, the point is the part were about $15 so why wouldn't one of the largest makers of effect spend an extra few bucks to make pedal that are competitive with the higher end pedals? seems it would make financial since.
Perhaps, many do not like they way the Keeley mod sounds? The Boss DS-1 has been around way before Keeley and others have, and a Stocked DS-1 maybe much more appealing to the masses which explains why Boss still makes it to this day after 30 years since its introduction in the late 70s.
Some components may cost Boss less than a penny, the same mod components may cost 50p. Not a big deal for someone wanting to perform a mod but when Boss churn out literally millions of pedals, well, you do the maths! The Boss corporation is run by businessmen not musicians!
BTW, if it is to be a fair and objective comparison at least have the actual output levels sounding the same, the Keeley mod is clearly hotter when working on the position of the control knobs!
Because, if you read the other posts, some people hear no difference, so why spend more than you have to to make a product they will buy regardless. It costs them pennies to make, then sell it and turn a decent profit... and heck if Nirvana used it then it must be magical.
if youre listening to this video through some good speakers or headphones, you can tell there are better tonality differences, the keeley mod sounding better, in my opinion. the standard boss sounds metallic, digitized and has a loss of low-end.
hmm... I just think that the keeley modification one is just louder. No differance though... I'm sticking to my origional, because thats one like Nirvana used lol.
The Keely is certainly louder. It would be nice to hear them at the same relative volume so I could tell whether I actually like the tone better of the Keely or if the Keely is simply louder
the mod sound a little bit better, less hars sound
ersemola 1 week ago
do they ship in the philippines? how much is the charge?
moonrays00 1 week ago
Sounds 100% better with the mod, fuller and much ballsier sound.
Gary1497 2 weeks ago
Nice demo, I came across a Keely-modded DS-1 for $100. It's a big im provemrnt on the original but not quite what I'm after
MarkDally 1 month ago
It sounds fuller and lusher with the mod.
GodStrongKid 1 month ago
i own several DS-1 from Japan and Taiwan... The Japanese ones are louder with more gain and the Taiwan models are thinner and harsher...Whatever MOD this is has ruined that particular DS-!....Sounds crappier than the Taiwan models..IDK why anyone would want to MOD a DS-1...
toobmaniac 1 month ago
You cant compare 2 pedals when your amp tone is utter shite.
flobtob 2 months ago
Comparison is not fear:
1- mod pedal is the second pedal, it is after the original, mean the signal goes in after passes two buffers inside the first pedal.
2- mod pedal has more gain having more noise, more than accept in an electronic conception. How can compare the sound if one is much more louder than other? More gain does not mean better.
3-modify circuit changing diodes by other diodes or leds is tranform one pedal in another pedal. you pay for one DS1 and pay Keely to make it a SD1. kkkkk
ThePedalPushers 2 months ago
I caught a Snippet of No Remorse in there. \nn/,
Jinxerz010792 2 months ago
cool review man!!!
socratesplanet 2 months ago
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what song are you playing at 0:34 its driving me crazy i cant think of it
mmk8283 2 months ago
what song are you playing at 0:34 its driving me crazy i cant think of it
mmk8283 2 months ago
@mmk8283 I know it's a Who song, but the exact name escapes me. I think it might be Baba O'Reily.
FlyingPirahna1 1 month ago
hey! how would it be if i connected a Boss HM-2 pedal with a Stock Boss DS-1? Im looking for an old school death metal sound.. similar to Death or Obituary.
The HM-2 is great but it sort of needs something to control its output.. my amps distortion just sucks so i keep it on clean
dwayne515 3 months ago
they both sound like steel bins vomiting up chainsaws.
dylanproctorable 4 months ago
@dylanproctorable they both sound insanely better in real life, the modded ds1 in this sounds like a unmodded,
asdfcrow 3 months ago
how do you do this mod?
myskull54 5 months ago
they both sound like good, rockin pedals
Greatscott0420 5 months ago
This isn't a true side by side... this is two different recordings side by side, or maybe he really does have two right feet idk.
BuddhaPillow 5 months ago
what is the mod ? how is it done
rrgert4 5 months ago
esta no es la diferencia como todos los guitarristas experimentados saben que cada pedalera tiene su sonido y hay que regularselo no es cuestion de meterle dos pedales en el mismo amplificador
JAVIER20351 5 months ago
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yugiohfrancis 6 months ago
Is this the mod that can also be found on instructables on how to make it?
pivotgodxd 6 months ago
The Keeley sounds better, but also because it's louder. If the level was turned down, a better comparison could be made.
bmesiasbmesias 6 months ago
@bmesiasbmesias yeah,the only impression im getting is a louder sound.
THEGUYD0WNTHESTREET 6 months ago
@bmesiasbmesias im confused, aren't the levels on both units the same in the video? or does the mod actually make the pedal louder?
BLUEScrazy 5 months ago
ohmm ... my MIJ DS-1 sounds better without any mod you know, when i tried the keeley mod gave me an mild overdrive but no the distortion who i want
sebakneitor10 6 months ago
i had the keeley modded one and it sucked so i went back to the stock one and never looked back
KennyWorldshow 6 months ago
Thanks for the vid' :)
It's helpful :)
MrCrumaga 6 months ago
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poundpit 8 months ago
Hi,
I bought this pedal few days ago,
when i connected it on my amp, clean tone work fine,
but when i press the pedal nothing changes.
Any help?
DusanRadovanovic 9 months ago
@DusanRadovanovic change the battery
Kavanaghness 9 months ago
why not just turn both of them on at the same time (GENIUS!!!)
beatles61 9 months ago
My pedal is from Japan, you think I should do this modification or should I keep this original
edcruz79 10 months ago
@edcruz79 no do not mod a japan pedal. you call and talk to keeley himself and he will tell not to
divasmom65 10 months ago
@edcruz79 Well....all depends on what your plans are for it. If you're just looking to sell for a profit(and not a big one IF at all), then leave it alone. If you like what the Keeley mod does for it, then modify.
bowslap 9 months ago
My pedal is from Japan, you think I should do this modification or should I keep this original
edcruz79 10 months ago
louder, and muchh more tone sounds much deeper
guitarmaster428 11 months ago
Sounds way clearer to me. Good volume boost too, thats what you get when you use better parts.
dattoboy1 11 months ago
@dattoboy1 meh, parts are the same, just swapping out capacitors and installing the switch and LED's. Not a huge mode at all.
JgHaverty 10 months ago
I dont if the people who watch this video or the uploader really can get down to component level electronics wise but I have a little bit of an issue with my Keeley DS1. The SEM and the ultramod works great but when operating the pedal, I noticed too much compression. I hear a volume decrease before the note. I have to turn the gain way down on my guitar to reduce the issue. Does anyone know any things I could try or change to reduce or eliminate the compression?
MikeeFresh101 11 months ago
@MikeeFresh101
Interesting... Do you hear it here? Of course YouTube alters the audio which does add to the compression issue. Or is it just yours?
McKinoza 11 months ago
No its not the video at all. Its definitely mine unit
MikeeFresh101 11 months ago
@MikeeFresh101
I have this same exact problem. It sounds as if the battery is dying even though I am using an adapter.
Skoked 8 months ago
@MikeeFresh101 what song are you playing at 0:34? i cant think of it and its driving me crazy.
mmk8283 2 months ago
What size led a t-1?and what's the part list for this mod?
Nikkibausch 11 months ago
Just sounds louder.
LivinJoke84 1 year ago
Doesn't adjusting the level knob change the amount of color you're putting in so that would change the sound if you tried to match the volumes right?
zachoon 1 year ago
only more volume
Leono182 1 year ago
Hey guys, and to anyone who could answer it, I have a Peavey Vypyr 15W amp, and for the clean channel (also using a distortion pedal with it) I use the Plxi amp model, and a Behringer Ultra Metal UM300 for distortion, but I can't get the low end to sound good. Would a BOSS DS-1 sound better to cover low, mid, and high end? I tried it on the other clean sounding channels, and it sounds cold. I want some warmth with it. Any suggestions?
kikkilinu 1 year ago
The DS-1 was the first pedal I owned, back in about 1980. I still have it, but I have a Keeley mod unit in my rack. 'Nuff said.
DAVEdotST 1 year ago
Sounds fuller with mod. Wish you would have compared diff settings also.
journeyquest1 1 year ago 3
@journeyquest1
Well I did it with the "Dist' knob at 50%, 75% and 100%.
McKinoza 1 year ago
It seems to me like if you want to make your ds-1 sound like keeley mod, you could buy eq pedal instead of actually modding it. Does it makes sense?
Giantcaterpillar 1 year ago
@Giantcaterpillar
Well, years ago I used to be in the car audio business. We always said the best thing was to use the EQ to "shape" a good sound. Most people use EQ's as "bandaids" to fix bad sounds. To each their own but since I think the Keeley sounds better, I personally would go that route first, then apply whatever EQ to it.
Cheers!
McKinoza 1 year ago 2
@McKinoza
Thanks for this valuable advice. I also thought about EQ as a screen to hide something.
Cheers!
Giantcaterpillar 1 year ago
TARD
StaticRequiem 1 year ago
tbh, i dont like either
Zorlak108 1 year ago
Cool, thanks for the clarification...my DS-1 arrived at Keeley Electronics today, can't wait to get it back modded!
wlmmn 1 year ago
Hey dude, great video! Thanks for posting.
Please, what are the difference you could tell me between DS1 mod by Keeley and a mod by Monte Allums?
Cheers
heliobluesrock 1 year ago
@heliobluesrock
Don't know about the Monte Allums. I've heard that they are good. There is also a guy by the name of "Wampler". I had purchased one of his pedal mod books and he had a couple of mods for the DS-1. Never tried them out but they do sound good! There is a guy here by the name of "PLUMBdogg" who has a video on those.
As for this mod, it makes the DS-1 sound fuller, richer and eliminates the thin, tinny sound the stock one has.
McKinoza 1 year ago
how can u get this pedal?
Peruviandude96 1 year ago
@Peruviandude96
From Keeley or ebay would be good places to start. You could do it yourself but you need some minor electrical knowledge, some soldering skills and not to mention the right pieces.
McKinoza 1 year ago
@McKinoza one more question. if u were to pick between the ds-1 (stock) and the digitech grunge pedal, which would u pick?
Peruviandude96 1 year ago
@Peruviandude96
Hmm... well I have never heard the Grunge pedal but Digitech makes good stuff. I have their older looping pedal which is killer.
Since I can do the mod myself I would pick the DS-1 though, I would NEVER use it unmodded. If you can't do the mod or have no way of getting it modded, then maybe the grunge pedal would work out better. Again I have not heard the Grunge pedal but am basing it on the fact that anything has got to be better than a stock DS-1 pedal.
McKinoza 1 year ago
@McKinoza : dude there's nothing wrong with the unmodded version... You probably should have boosted the volume a bit for this demo. It's unfair not to. I think weezer pretty much used the DS-1 on everything.... so you can't say the unmodded version isn't worth getting.
freezazoid 1 year ago
@freezazoid
I never said there was something wrong. I simply was stating the difference between the 2.
And if weezer used it on everything...uh...well there you go.
Cheers!
McKinoza 1 year ago
@Peruviandude96 Dude,the Digitech Grunge pedal sucks bad! If your looking for the best pedal for heavy metal,check out the Eagletone Metal End.I just bought one brand new one on ebay for 50 bucks total and it rivals my Radial Tonebone Plexitube and my Hardwire Metal Distortion except that the Metal End has more tonal possibilities.If you can't find one made by Eagletone,then check under Biyang Metal End,they are the exact same pedal except sold by two different companies.
lute760 1 year ago
@lute760 hey, wut would u say is the difference between overdrive and distortion. like, wut if i put my amp on medium distortion, and then turn on an overdrive pedal. wuts the difference between that sound and a distortion pedal turned on while the amps on a clean channel?
Peruviandude96 1 year ago
@Peruviandude96 Its mostly just the combination. If you have a medium gain on the amp, then you have that amount of the Amp's gain, mixed with that extra push from the pedal. To have just a dist pedal while on the clean of the amp, would be the sound of the dist. pedal mixed with the clean of the amp, rather then the dist. of the amp with a push. In my opinion, Amp distortion is always better then pedals, but thats if you play on a real amp.
MattiasOfTheMetal 1 year ago
@lute760 I just bought mine a few days ago, and its on its way in the mail. I'm really hoping this thing will be much better then my shitty metal muff pedal. lol
MattiasOfTheMetal 1 year ago
@MattiasOfTheMetal
Hey let me know what combination you end up using. As a boost or through the clean channel.
McKinoza 1 year ago
@McKinoza Right now I have a Carvin x100b 80's issue, and I have to play through the clean channel because I have a shitty Metal Muff pedal. [Way too fizzy in my opinion] and someone tried to mod my amp but hardly changed anything and my amp's distortion is thin, but I've got a Biyand/Eagletone Metal End on its way in the mail, and when I get it I'll get back to you on how that pedal sounds.
MattiasOfTheMetal 1 year ago
Holy hell! The lick you play at 1:53 on the regular pedal sounds pretty thin and brittle to me, and then that same lick played at 1:58 with the Keeley one sounds ballsy as all hell. To me, it's not just a volume difference, it's a huge tonal and attack difference. So you didn't change anything on your guitar between those two examples, McKinoza?
wlmmn 1 year ago
@wlmmn
Nothing was changed except turning one pedal off and turning on the other pedal. I have had people say that the order of pedal placement/one going through the other one, etc makes a difference but... I wouldn't think it that noticeable.
McKinoza 1 year ago
Thaaaanksss!!! Helped a lot!
heliobluesrock 1 year ago
D4 and D5 diode 1n4148 to ... , Bridge four 1n4148 diode and one 1n4148 in middle .
This is better mod as Kelley in DS1
VALVEELEKTRONIK 1 year ago
I have a MIJ DS-1 that is modded exactly like this one haha. Was checking on youtube to see whats the diff and if its actually Keeley modded haha. Yup this video worked =D
akmw77 1 year ago
Thanks man for da vid =D really needed to see it
akmw77 1 year ago
@akmw77
sure hope it works out.
McKinoza 1 year ago
the keeley has more gain only......i dont see diference in sound
cobain2500 1 year ago
@cobain2500
Maybe because you can't "see" the difference but rather "hear" it. just kidding dude, sorry couldn't resist, thanks for commenting
McKinoza 1 year ago
@McKinoza yes,maybe because of that.......but do you really HEAR any difference?
cobain2500 1 year ago
The Keeley sounds much better.
zbaby82 1 year ago
I did this mod myself. It sounds amazing, especially into a tube amp to smooth out the grain of distortion.
CanasClone 1 year ago
Keeley mod is much better
classicrockonly 1 year ago
The sound is definitely thicker and has more midrange with the mod. Does Boss make the DS-1 with the mod already added, or do they make another distortion pedal that simulates that sound?
6672rock 1 year ago
Um... which one is modded?
johanthepirate 1 year ago
@johanthepirate : one on the left.
freezazoid 1 year ago
I don't believe the Stock one would be as full sounding even with more volume. I'm going to change my stock one for a modded one.
sportsportsport 1 year ago
Wouldn't it be better to just get an MT-2. You can adjust the mids, highs and lows to suit the sound you need.
Or is the Keeley mod giving a different sound altogether. Can't quite hear the sound properly on youtube. Guess I'd have to be there to hear it.
adineshd 1 year ago
The modified one is louder. The controls could be adjusted to make them sound the same.
Johngtr13 1 year ago
@Johngtr13
Not really, yes you could match the output volume, say set them both to 100dB but the sound would be different.
You know that sound effect some songs use where it starts out sounding like AM radio then it morph into FM sound, that's more like the difference. Kinda like Pink Floyd's Wish You Were Here intro.
McKinoza 1 year ago 9
@McKinoza yeaah... the tone's kinda different too. i own a ds-1 and im really considering to apply the keely mod to it after watching this
reaper3264 1 year ago
needs moar cowbell
Daxilen 1 year ago 2
why the sound is different? if bouth are similar?
japispirina 1 year ago
how much would the supplies cost ?
wingerwanger 1 year ago
The mod seems to have more bottom...............but the stock has more dirt i like the stock better.
Shambles940 1 year ago
I like the one on the right.
PurpleCricket01 1 year ago
thats it! i'm modding my ds-1
dan122189 1 year ago
ok i get the point.... so they look exactly the same but the one on the left is clearly better. so whats the point? should we not by from ebay? are boss making 2 different types of pedals? do we need to look from pedals in certain country?.... what?
luckyphilster 1 year ago
@luckyphilster
You take a stock pedal, open it up, switch out some pieces, and it changes the sound. Yes you can find them on ebay. Some that have been modded by people themselves or some from Keeley.
McKinoza 1 year ago
@McKinoza aha! ok, now i see the difference. sorry i didnt see the swithch when i watched it 1st time. i probably shouldnt make comments when drunk. sounds great, do they have upgrades for the boss dd-7?
luckyphilster 1 year ago
@luckyphilster your an idiot. google your shit man
anzuelocr 1 year ago
is this a mod you can do yourself? or you have to buy it that way?
sourcehacker 1 year ago
@sourcehacker
You can do the mod yourself.
McKinoza 1 year ago
@sourcehacker You can buy the kit on ebay for around $30, send your pedal to Keeley Electronics and they'll mod it for $75, or you can buy the modded pedal from Musician's Friend or right from Keeley for $130.
Merkin9to5 1 year ago
Good demo. It's an awesome sounding mod!
rousejeremy 1 year ago
I think left pedal is better
AcidTeem 1 year ago
I think to accurately hear the mod effect done to these pedals is to play them on a TUBE amp in the clean channel. These pedals are solidstate and playing them through a solidstate amp, though the VT30 uses one 12x7a, it is still not considered a tube amp but a modeling amp, and amp that samples the tone of other amps by using DSP chips. Play it through a Fender Blues jr, Vox AC4TV or a Marshall Class 5 all tube amp.
gmlasam 1 year ago
Apart from the big diffeence in volume, I think that the one with the mod has a lot more headroom like you 're using a clean booster. By the way how could one get this mod to his ds-1?
khrafstra 1 year ago
I don't like any of them. In my opinion Marshall JH is far better.
ste4871 1 year ago
I could care less about your shoes, I wanna hear the pedal!
johnnynocaster 1 year ago
r you turning up the volume when your using the modded one?
mikeguitar630 1 year ago
@mikeguitar630
No its just part of the mod.
McKinoza 1 year ago
@McKinoza o ok. very nice
mikeguitar630 1 year ago
Mmmmh, there is a very big difference of output level and also more sharp tones... the original DS-1 tends to have 'muddy' middle and bass sounds, especially as overdrive/gain is increased.
That's the reason why I stopped using my original DS-1. If I was good enough at soldering I would modify it, but so scared to cripple it.
claudiokun2007 1 year ago
it still sounds terrible..only louder
Ghop7577 1 year ago
nice shoes killer
freeboi1017 1 year ago
@freeboi1017 Wow now my shoes are being scrutinized, thanks I guess...
McKinoza 1 year ago
@McKinoza haha dude im just fucking with you. there so many people just ripping on all this unimportant shit. this vid was actually helpful tho. i didnt end up getting it but thanks anyways haha
freeboi1017 1 year ago
Wow, one really is louder than the other. Comparison fail.
jaycoover 1 year ago 14
@jaycoover ...ah then you did hear a difference right? Sorry it wasn't what you were looking for.
McKinoza 1 year ago
@McKinoza Actually, it doesn't sound bad, it's just hard to tell what the true difference is because for one thing, it's louder. It could be just acting like a clean boost to the amp. A fairer comparison would be to try them at the same effective level.
jaycoover 1 year ago
@jaycoover Ahaha, dude.. You're a dumbshit
FrothySpoons 1 year ago
@FrothySpoons - wow FrothySpoons, I guess your a genius then. You certainly know your shit.
What could be happening is that the gain on the mod drives the "golden", yes "golden" AD30VT (yes modelling amp) harder, resulting in the increase in tone. But we'll never know, will we?...since the only difference might be gain.
The mod very well might be an improvement, but since the gain difference is so vast, it makes it impossible to tell.
jaycoover 1 year ago
@jaycoover thats the mod fucking retard.
SKAuthenticDank 10 months ago
Great comparison.
bambuchajr 1 year ago
Sorry, but those pedal sound like crap playing through that Vox ad30VT. Those pedals sound much better on an all tube amp in the clean channel. Use it with a Vox AC4TV. It will sound much better.
gmlasam 1 year ago
@gmlasam This is to compare these 2 pedals to EACH other not a VOX30VT to an AC4TV. I'm sure it may sound better, of course then you would get people saying "it would sound better through a Marshal XXX, or a Fender XXX". Its probably more pilot error than anything but the comparison is the pedals not amps.
McKinoza 1 year ago
@McKinoza No pilot error at all. I'm just saying these solid state pedals sound very thin with no dynamics when played through a solid state amp making it difficult to really tell the difference aside from one being louder than the other. Its like double negatives. These pedals, the DS-1, were made during the time tube amps were heavily used so their voicing was tailored more for tube amps. The Vox AD30VT has so much gain already and it does not require an external distortion pedal.
gmlasam 1 year ago
Steve Vai swore by these. I wonder if this circuit found it's way into his Jemini pedal.
KevinFL 1 year ago
I'm trying to get the maximum bass from my DS-1. Do I change C3 to 1.0uf and R17 to 15K?
PhuckHue2 1 year ago
@PhuckHue2 Good question. While I know that the caps act as frequency filters, I wouldn't know which one would maximize bass. It would probably be more than one component and then again all personal preference.
McKinoza 1 year ago
How about doin the test with the same volume/level on both pedals. It dosnt show me anything otherwise. But otherwise a good test !!!
willarsiam 1 year ago
1:07 METALLICA \M/
jorgefg666 1 year ago
why do these things sound broken? i played a stock one on these settings and it sounds way more awesome. what are your amp settings? and what amp are you using?
papakilatube 1 year ago
@papakilatube
Cause your awesome. Make a video for us to see.
McKinoza 1 year ago
@McKinoza sure thing! in advance, i'll tell you my equipment: fender mexican nashville deluxe telecaster and a vox night train hooked up to a mojo music celestion gold 12"
papakilatube 1 year ago
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What's the difference between an old ds1 made in japan and a modern modded ds1 keeley ? my question is about tone not about circuits and stuff like that... thank u
kurdt47clon 1 year ago
@kurdt47clon the only things that are different ARE the circuts and stuff like that. the japanese ones have different capacitors and such, and the keely mod has a tone switch
papakilatube 1 year ago
@papakilatube
Tone switch? There is no "tone" switch that changes anything. The switch just adds an additional diode adding to the thicker sounds. The change in tone comes from other changes. To me, tone refers to frequencies and those changes are made by replacing capacitors.
McKinoza 1 year ago
@McKinoza true , the switch just brings in the other LED that lights up when clipping
dvschsa 1 year ago
@kurdt47clon and higher k pots
papakilatube 1 year ago
@papakilatube
They are the same pots that came with the stock unit. Those don't change.
McKinoza 1 year ago
I feel that is you adjust the volume to match then you could also adjust the DIST setting to match. If one produced more distortion at the same setting then you reduce the higher one for a true comparison which at that point would negate the comparison. If one sounded deeper and fuller then you could adjust the TONE setting on the other one again voiding the comparison.
While I understand I don't agree. There may not be a true way to compare these 2 then.
McKinoza 1 year ago
im getting one (stock), i already have a fuzz face, a big muff, superfuzz, octavio, but what the hey?
if you are looking for distortion, go with this, and dont hate. kurt made it sound good, why cant you? it may sound like garbage, but as with every pedal, its just a matter of how you use it.
papakilatube 1 year ago
@papakilatube
Are you asking me personally? Not everyone liked Kurt's sound. While I thought it was good for what they were playing, I wouldn't use it.
McKinoza 1 year ago
@McKinoza no i wasnt, but fine by me.
papakilatube 1 year ago
the keeley clearly kicks the stock ds-1's teeth in, but frankly I don't think it sounds that great anyway...just me?
alreadywoundpie 1 year ago
reverb.....sigh
Drumboy27 1 year ago
It's unfortunate the settings are so that the unmodded is quieter. Things that are louder always sound better (psychoacoustic something or other). Not saying the mod isn't an improvment: it's fat for sure. But a good comparison would make sure they have the same loudness...
GreenAsJade 1 year ago
that's the thing though. They are both set at 12 oclock, that proves how drastically this mod changes things.
guycalleddave 1 year ago
Yeah - that's a true point: on the same settings they sound different.
But to find out whether the mod actually made it sound _better_ or just _louder_ one would want to offset the volume change and compare the tones at the same volume.
Cheers,
GaJ
GreenAsJade 1 year ago 2
Good comparison. I like the way that the Keeley very much seems to retain the tone of the stock pedal, whilst sounding so much fuller. And I really had never noticed that the stock DS-1 sounded that thin before (I thought it did, but not that much...). Stark contrast indeed.
JRBain7 1 year ago
Can anyone send me a link/manual of how to mod the DS-1 à la Keeley?
Thanks!!!
Hellflyer667 1 year ago
good day to you! i had a boss ds-1 and after watching your video i'am planning to modify it. but i have a question for what is the use of that little toggle switch on a modded ds-1?
butirogs5 1 year ago
you could probly buy a electro-harmonix lpb-1 and use it with the ds-1 and have the same effect. but still awesome mod
adamska2012 1 year ago
whats the difference between the orange ds-1 and this light colored orange ds-1???
is the light one fake??
althegreat17 1 year ago
Maybe bad lighting here?
I know they also make a DS-2 which is a different shade of orange but also a different pedal.
McKinoza 1 year ago
The mod makes the DS1 vastly superior which begs the question why doesn't Boss make it this way to begin with?
urheadonastick 1 year ago 17
@urheadonastick it would be to expensive to mass produce these things. They make great pedals but keeping these things at a reasonable price is still a priority...which I can't blame them for. I think Keeley did an article on this subject.
curtiswcole 1 year ago
@urheadonastick Good point. But, don't you think that modding the pedal yourself is kinda cool... Personalising it, making it your own, in a way ?
GazMaddogJones 1 year ago
Actually I did- I bought a mod kit off Ebay ,it made my DS1 sound way better, the point is the part were about $15 so why wouldn't one of the largest makers of effect spend an extra few bucks to make pedal that are competitive with the higher end pedals? seems it would make financial since.
urheadonastick 1 year ago
@urheadonastick
Perhaps, many do not like they way the Keeley mod sounds? The Boss DS-1 has been around way before Keeley and others have, and a Stocked DS-1 maybe much more appealing to the masses which explains why Boss still makes it to this day after 30 years since its introduction in the late 70s.
gmlasam 1 year ago
@urheadonastick
probably costs if i had to guess
skitheport 1 year ago
Some components may cost Boss less than a penny, the same mod components may cost 50p. Not a big deal for someone wanting to perform a mod but when Boss churn out literally millions of pedals, well, you do the maths! The Boss corporation is run by businessmen not musicians!
BTW, if it is to be a fair and objective comparison at least have the actual output levels sounding the same, the Keeley mod is clearly hotter when working on the position of the control knobs!
Thanks for sharing
Billchazand 1 year ago
no, the one on the left is modified by some cat named keeley something, or something keeley
mezol1zee 1 year ago
its like something Robert uh like Keely or whatever
brojkiller 1 year ago
@mezol1zee AAAW MAAN I thought the one on the left was the original.
race1717 1 year ago
@race1717 lol. naw. the original dont have the blu
light.
mezol1zee 1 year ago
Thanks for the video
Sounds not like a mod, but like an other pedal, totally diferent.
I don't know why Boss still building this shit for years and years.
danielvarjao 1 year ago
Because, if you read the other posts, some people hear no difference, so why spend more than you have to to make a product they will buy regardless. It costs them pennies to make, then sell it and turn a decent profit... and heck if Nirvana used it then it must be magical.
McKinoza 1 year ago
if youre listening to this video through some good speakers or headphones, you can tell there are better tonality differences, the keeley mod sounding better, in my opinion. the standard boss sounds metallic, digitized and has a loss of low-end.
guitar4life9 1 year ago
modd is louder warmer and doesnt break up as much it also has BALLS
ctjoao 1 year ago
hmm... I just think that the keeley modification one is just louder. No differance though... I'm sticking to my origional, because thats one like Nirvana used lol.
thejakeludwig 1 year ago
Do they sound different enough to have a modification done?
Johngtr13 1 year ago
The Keely is certainly louder. It would be nice to hear them at the same relative volume so I could tell whether I actually like the tone better of the Keely or if the Keely is simply louder
freezazoid 2 years ago 19
@freezazoid I was thinkin the same, I think it's just louder