You should do some research on the Mexican-American War because you just over oversimplified it. The land that America "stole" form Mexico was mostly occupied by Native American tribes who were waging a bloody war against the Mexicans.
@TruthOasis No doubt the land was originally stolen from natives. That's the way history has always gone, people conquering by force, it is the entire history of mankind, and if you look at the history of the native peoples, again you find conquests, stealing land from others, preying upon the weaker tribes. It's just an unfortunate truth but hopefully one that won't last forever.
@n8glenn Alot of civilization are guilty of conquering by force. Mongols, Spanish, Japanese, Turks, and Arabs to name a few. However only northern Europeans are expected to apologize for the actions of their ancestors.
@TruthOasis All people have been violent and conquered and committed crimes in the past, that's not the issue. Europeans have no responsibility to feel guilty or apologize for history, their only obligation is to be just and fair to other human beings, european or not.
@truthforchrist You fraud, What an embarrassment. You're simply not capable of having this type of conversation, if you can't keep track of the questions you ask me or my answers to you it's not my problem, and everybody knows what hadiths are, they are religious writings which DID NOT come from god but from various muslims down through time, and asserting that they are believed to be without error is just moronic. You have no clue, and parade yourself as a professor. Sheesh.
@truthforchrist You are delusional or just a persistent liar. You have never refuted anything, perhaps you just aren't capable of understanding why you are wrong about the quran, that's not my problem, I feel sorry for you if you actually paid for an education in the quran and the bible, but I won't humor you any longer, you're just making a clown out of yourself and simultaneously being a jackass.
@truthforchrist I grow tired of your pathetic lies, you lie to me about me, and you lie about such a simple fact as the quran being memorized widely since it was first uttered by mohammad, which I think is pretty common knowledge among anyone who has a passing knowledge of the quran. I was talking about a picture of fighter jets being pushed into the sea, which I liked, as you well know. This is not the channel for people to push lies in support of racism. Blocked. Removed.
@n8glenn You ask why did muslims not notice these changes? Well, they did. Its only MODERN DAY muslimsthat believe the billshit that the quran was memorized by 10,000 people and that it was unchanged. 1000 years ago, Muslims knew about these changes and wrote a out them in the hadiths and other commentaries.
@truthforchrist You're an embarrassment, If you have a PHD in the quran, you need to get a refund, you're not even close to being correct, you have literally no clue what you're talking about and you're a shameless liar. I grow tired from laughing at you, start telling the truth or I'll give you a mercy blocking. :)
@n8glenn I dont have a PHD in textual manuscripts. I decided to leave the program since I was in it for the wrong reasons. I was never going to make it a career. I'm an engineer and I have no intention of leaving that field to be a scholar. However, the knowledge I have is light years beyond the pro-islamic apologietical bullshit that spews from your mouth.
And you probably would block people who expose you for the liar you are.. You are a coward and have been caught lieing so many time
@truthforchrist Oh, what a suprise, you "left the program"! Is that your excuse for having no clue what the hell you're talking about? You're an engineer now? What are you working on, a perpetual energy machine maybe? Yeah, I block people when they lie to me and waste my time, and I should have blocked you a long time ago but you're just a little bit entertaining and it's been fun watching you make a clown of yourself, but I have no more time for you.
@truthforchrist Furthermore, your questions to me about the bible demonstrate you have literally no clue what the bible says, let alone the quran. Oh, the hilarity. Phd! That's an insult to my intelligence.
@n8glenn Since you FINALLY admitted to not reading the quran, or Hadith and only you only spoke to a few uneducated muslims, tell me...why should I trust a single thing you say on the subject? I have been in the PHD program for Biblical and quranic manuscripts. I have seen the oldest manuscripts of each with my own eyes. Why are you even talkin to me about this subject? You are way out of your league
@truthforchrist I do not lie like you, I never claimed to have read the quran, I know a heck of a lot more about it than you do, you didn't even know that the quran was memorized MORE than written down in the beginning! You probably didn't even know the quran means "recitation" -- MEANING IT WAS AN ORAL DOCUMENT!!! You have a phd in shit, you should get a refund for your imaginary degree, and if it's a real degree, you need to be embarrassed and go home. :)
@n8glenn YOU SAID "you didn't even know that the quran was memorized MORE than written down in the beginning!" The truth is, it wasn't memorized. I don't know why you keep lieing about that. Which of the 16 qurans was the one that was memorized? Can you answer that? Since there were no vowels, it would have been impossible to know 1 written dialect from another written dialect. These are the kinds of facts that scholars know...and apologetical lieing bigots like you don't know.
@truthforchrist Another embarrassingly ignorant statement by you. If you can't do some BASIC research on the topic you claim to have a PHD in, then claim to have "left the program" of, then you're going to make a fool of yourself over and over, I'm embarrassed for you. You don't even know, I bet, that hebrew originally had no vowels either! You just keep asserting the quran wasn't memorized, muslims need a good laugh too. They're laughing at you, if they read this believe me.
@truthforchrist Yes,I can tell you! None of them. The quran originally came from RECITATIONS, as you would know if you knew anything at all. It did not come from written form, as it was recited by mohammad and memorized by his followers who were mostly ILLITERATE. Phd.
@n8glenn You keep lieing and saying I'm a racist, yet you can't give a single example. I'm for a 2 state solution...you want genocide of Jews. "pushed into the sea" is the wording you used. Stop lieing unless you can come up with an example you Jew hating bigot
@truthforchrist You lie, I liked the idea of fighter jets being pushed into the sea, not jews. I asked you if you thought jews were fighter jets, you never answered. You on the other hand, are pushing islamophobic bigotry, which is racism. I never push hate against jews, or advocate genocide against jews, I defend jews, you attack muslims because of their basic religious affiliation, and pretend to be an expert on islam, which you apparently know nothing about.
@EgyptUnderGroundArmy If you read the sana Quran, you will see sura 19, 20, 21, 22 are missing. You will also see that it ends at sura 95. This is the OLDEST QURAN in existence, which means it's the most authentic according to scholars. All those "missing" suras were added much later. The idea that 10,000 Muslims memorized te quran is a lie according to scholars. Your own hadiths speak of many quran all with different meanings
@truthforchrist Hadiths are religious writings, not gospel, not from god, get it? You're not even close to being right about the quran, just with a little cursory research I discovered that you're full of shit. The quran was memorized before it was ever written down! The early written qurans are not considered to be authoritative, the people who memorized the quran from recitations were always considered the authority and they have NEVER changed.
@EgyptUnderGroundArmy This is exactly what I'm talkin about. Your information comes from answering-Christianity and not from scholars. Also, The following verses differ between the Warsh version (popular in Africa) and the Hafs versions (popular in Middle East) of the Quran: 7:57, 9:37, 2:259, 3:81, 6:96, 1:4, 2:140, 2:125, 3:146, 2:132, 91:15, 2:132, 3:133, 5:45, 2:139, 3:81, 2:259, 2:214, 2:9, 2:184 & 28:48.
@truthforchrist You need to write the actual verses, not numbers, and of course, you have no idea what you're talking about, older versions of the quran were written in imperfect language, they had no reliable way of marking vowel sounds, and could be misinterpreted, but were not considered authoritative, only people who memorized the quran were considered to be authoritative. If you weren't a fraud you'd probably know that.
@bigoxtailbone2 Muslims can "believe" the Quran is unedited, but facts prove them wrong. Every book written before the printing press has seen some changes. You can't read Arabic, but if you could, you would notice that the sana manuscripts (the oldest quran ever found) is drastically different from the modern Ciaro version of today.
@truthforchrist Since the quran has changed so much, how do you explain that muslims have been memorizing the quran since the very beginning? If a large percentage of the muslim population had the entire book memorized, word for word, and revered it as the word of god, then why would they change it? And if it did change, why didn't they notice that fact?
@n8glenn I really don't understand what makes an american fight for or cause,most of the americans i meet are brainwahsed by their media and give shit to politics
It's such an honor to meet a man like you,I respect you so much :)
@truthforchrist I'm a muslim and let me tell you that all the versions all the same only different READINGS meaning the way your pronounce the word with the same meaning and the quran had and will have only one version
Can you please tell me what are the "DIFFERENCES" that you found on both so called-versions?!
@n8glenn I asked you already for something in the Bible that was stated as law, and then abrogated/over ruled. I'm still waiting for an answer. I gave you proof from the quran that it abrogates itself. You are out of your league if you want to debate islam, Christianity, Judiasm or history with me.
@truthforchrist You've got to be joking, right?! I don't have time to quote to you all the various insane rules which have been overruled or are simply ignored, like stoning your children to death for disobeying, killing unbelievers and gay people, etc etc etc. Listen, kid, don't brag on yourself, it's embarrassing. You have never met a muslim in your life, you're a bigot, a racist, and you "study" by surfing the internet looking for hate to validate your prejudices.
@truthforchrist Your ideas about muslims both believing literally in every single word of the quran, and simultaneously disregarding most of it because of a few handpicked verses of your choosing which describe acts of war and self defense, are just comical. You think muslims are 1.5 billion identical snidely whiplashes, who believe god wants them to be evil, violent, intolerant, and to drink the blood of the innocent, so don't play the professor with me.
@n8glenn My study does come asking muslims, reading the Quran (something you haven't done), reading the hadiths (something you havent done), visiting mosques and performing interviews of imams (something you haven't done), and ofcoarse, reading encyclopedias on islam. This took me 7 years to accomplish. My knowledge is lightyears beyond yours
@truthforchrist You fraud. You're lying through your teeth. You did not spend 7 years studying something you despise and obviously have no understanding of. You're an ignorant racist and you think you can lie to me and trick me that easily. You're a fraud.
@truthforchrist But you know what? I'd be totally disappointed if you were the very first ignorant racist with cartoonish misconceptions about muslims who hasn't memorized the quran and the hadiths and talked to every imam in the world etc etc etc. You guys all tell the same transparent lie.
@n8glenn My study does come asking muslims, reading the Quran (something you haven't done), reading the hadiths (something you havent done), visiting mosques and performing interviews of imams (something you haven't done), and ofcoarse, reading encyclopedias on islam. This took me 7 years to accomplish. My knowledge is lightyears beyond yours
@truthforchrist Now, as for me reading the quran and the hadiths, I don't need to. I'm an atheist. I know all about the controversial verses, and also the verses which are good, and I know many, many muslims on a personal level, and I know what they generally believe and how they interpret the quran. You, on the other hand, are a racist who believes that muslims are evil. You're a clown, telling me cartoonish, idiotic things about people I know. You're full of hate and lies.
@truthforchrist Now, as for me reading the quran and the hadiths, I don't need to. I'm an atheist. I know all about the controversial verses, and also the verses which are good, and I know many, many muslims on a personal level, and I know what they generally believe and how they interpret the quran. You, on the other hand, are a racist who believes that muslims are evil. You're a clown, telling me cartoonish, idiotic things about people I know. You're full of hate and lies.
Quran calls jews and Christians people of the book. Muslims respect both the Torah and Bible. Muslims do not follow the Torah and Bible because they believe they have been altered and that the Quran is the final word of God and is an unaltered holy book. They believe all three books came from one good, because jew's and Christians are considered people of the book, Muslim men are allowed to marry Jewish and Christian women, because they share a lot of common ground
@n8glenn If you never met a muslim that believes in the law of abrogation, then that is more proof for my comment weeks ago...muslims don't read the Quran and they certinally don't knwomwhat the quran says. The quran itself speaks of abrogation. Just do a 30 second google search. Encyclopedias will back me up on this. "there is no compulsion in religion" is an early sura that had been abrogated (contradicted) by later suras
@truthforchrist Nonsense, that proves nothing except I've actually spoken to muslims and you have not. You don't go to google or encyclopedias to determine what other people believe, you ASK them, and they'll tell you. I have asked them, have you? I know that muslims do not believe that the quran instructs them to be violent or intolerant or evil, but the exact opposite. That's what they tell me, that's the example they show me, so don't make me laugh with this nonsense.
@truthforchrist Now, your "study" of muslims, through google and wikipedia, is like some hindu studying christianity by going to a bunch of indian websites where people spew anti-christian hate, then looking at all the horrible bits of the bible, and claiming those horrible bits "overrule" all the verses which are good, then passing judgement on all christians as if they were one person, having never met or spoken to a christian in his life. It's sheer idiocy.
@truthforchrist So,..Most Christians don't know the Bible book by book. I would even go as far to say that the average Christian finds it difficult to understand or interpret the Bible. They only stick to certain books or popular verses that are simple. Educated or not educated, this goes for all religions. And if you think that Muslims are evil because of what they believe,..do you think that all Christians practice what they preach??
I also challenge you to find me ONE SINGLE VERSE IN THE QURAN THAT IS TOLERANT TOWARDS JEWS THAT HAS NOT BEEN ABROGATED. Sorry for the caps, but you have a habit of not responding to my challenges. I also challenge you to find me an intolerant verse towards Jews in the Bible
@truthforchrist Do not start blathering to me about this nonsense theory of abrogation, it is a cheap way for racists like you to claim that the parts of the quran you don't like just conveniently DON'T COUNT. I've never met a muslim who believed in it. The quran says that muslims must not force their religion on others "above all else", and it also says to be respectful of other religions, because they might be divinely inspired, clearly that includes judaism.
@n8glenn Read your own comment on January 10th..."Iran is an Islamic theocracy and does discriminate other by nature". You can change your attitude now if you want, but you have been caught contradicting yourself. Of the 2 of us, I'm the only one who is in favor of a 2 state solution. So tell me, how am I intolerant? I cant wait to read what lie you will spew next
@truthforchrist Yeah, and you read the comment I JUST SENT to you, where I repeated again that iran DOES discriminate against jews and DOES PROTECT jews! Iran has constitutional protections for jews built into the constitution and has a jew in the iranian parliament but that does NOT mean that jews are fully equal to muslims in a muslim state. Protection and discrimination are two different things.
@chrlpolk Weeks ago I said Iran goes out of their way to protect Jews and Christians in their country. N8glen said I was wrong. Jews did not declare themselves a state...the UN did. The Arabs living there had many opportunities to declare their own state with their own government. And if you dont think Islam is very anti-Jewish, then clearly you have little knowledge about Islam. I can show you so many hadiths that are anti-Jewish, and none that are tolerant towards Jews
@truthforchrist I never said that iran does not protect jews or christians, I said that jews and christians are not equal to muslims in an islamic theocracy, which is just common sense. You can pick and choose the bad bits of the quran in order to issue racist hate speech, it can more easily be done with the torah or the bible to make slanderous claims against jews or christians, but you could also highlight verses which extoll tolerance toward other religions, unlike you.
@truthforchrist In fact, iran has explicit protections for jews written into it's constitution, which i have noted many times when talking to racists such as yourself, so don't tell me I disagree with my own statements, and don't tell me that the quran is bad for having verses which could be deemed as intolerant, when you yourself are far more intolerant toward muslims than the quran ever was toward jews.
@truthforchrist, Stop lying, Israel don't want to negotiate with anyone, they want to take and take from the palestinians. It was Israel who broke the peace treaty not the palestinians. The Zionists are opportunists who have skillfully and cynically exploited the West's discomfort and guilt over the Holocaust, and yes I know that the holocust was a terrible time for the jews as they were subjected to cruel punishment but they should use this as a tool to torture palestinians.
However, I also know that refuse to do a 5 minute google search on how Arab muslims refuse to acknowledge Jewish connection to Jerusalem. My guess is either you are afraid of what you will find, or you already have looked into it, found out I was correct, but you refuse to admit it. Just read the comments from Iran's president, or the comments from Hamas or other middle eastern islamic organizations
@truthforchrist I don't need to do google searches in order to disprove your racist generalizations. If you say to me that black people are racists, I don't need to google that racist statement to see if it's true or not, if you say that muslims are antisemites, I don't need to google it because I KNOW MUSLIMS! I know how people in general in the islamic world feel about jews, and yes, they can be bigoted, but most of them are not, regardless of their race or religion.
@n8glenn You might know a few American muslims. I never said otherwise. You don't know any arab muslims. You have clearly never read the quran or hadiths. Actually, very few muslim have ever read the quran and even fewer have read the hadiths. I can show you quotes from both sources that proves that islam is very anti-Jewish. American muslims are not your typical muslims. They are generally non-practicing and tend to not follow the dogma of islam.
@truthforchrist I have a good knowledge of the questionable verses of the quran as well as the good verses, as well as how muslims interpret them, and yes, I do know american muslims, as well as arab muslims and muslims from the middle east, I have been to the middle east several times, and I know that the racist generalizations against arabs and muslims which people typically make are complete bullshit, with no basis in reality. Islam is not an "evil religion".
@truthforchrist Did you know Iran has the Middle East's largest population of Jews, next to Israel? That Jews are protected in Iran's Cosntitution and have a position in government?
A lot of people fail to grasp that the hatred for Israel has nothing to do with the Jewish people. It is the fact that a Jewish community declared Israel as an independent nation, but didn't allow the Arabs living there to have a say in the formation of the new government. That is what the dispute is about.
I said "arab muslims" not "American muslims". The 2 are vasty different. Most Muslims in America just wan to live their life. And don't give me that "people of the book" bullshit. I can userbe quran and hadiths to prove islam is very anti-Jewish
@truthforchrist No, you can't. Islam is not anti-jewish, as is clearly shown by the history of islam. There are bad verses in the quran, there are also good verses, and there are many, many more bad and antisemitic verses in the bible, does that make christianity anti-jewish? If you look at the history it certainly appears that way, but actually I don't think it is. As for arab muslims being bad, now you're explicitly making a racist statement, is that the way you want to go?
You think Arab Muslims acknowledge the fact that Jews have been living in Jerusalem for 3000+ years? And you call me naive? Oh the irony is not lost on me. Just go to google and look up quoted from Arab leaders and Arab Muslims. They say things like "only Christians and muslims have a history in Jerusalem". I can give you sooooooo many denial quotes. Before responding to me, at least act like you know what you are talking about.
@truthforchrist They not only acknowledge it, but they regard jews as coreligionists, "people of the book", who they share history and common ancestry with! You need to understand something about me, I actually have met muslims in my lifetime, unlike you, so don't lecture me about "acting like I know" something, I don't act like I know, I know, you act like you know, but you don't.
STUPID FUCKING POLITIANS ALWAYS GO ON ABOUT ISRAELIS RIGHT TO EXIST, AND THEIR SAFETY, WHAT ABOUT THE PALESTINIANS OR DON'T THEY EXIST.
WHAT A CRUEL AND NASTY WORLD WE LIVE IN CONTROLLED BY FAT ZIONIST MURDERS, WHO ARE PROBABLY PLANNING ON HOW TO KILL OF EVERY SINGLE PALESTINIAN.
SUB-HUMANS MOTHERFUCKERS
PS DON'T FUCKING DARE CALL ME ANTI-SEMETIC, I HAVE NOTHING AGANIST THE JEWISH RELIGION, I HAVE DOZENS OF JEWISH FRIENDS WHO ARE PRO PALESTINE, BUT WHAT I AM AGAINST IS MURDERING ZIONIST SCUM
@MsCurbsideprophet Most politians are for a 2 state solution. They are for a state of palestine. However, most of them want the palestinians to negotiate with Israel. Palestinians get vetoed when they petition the UN courts because they have been told time and time again to negotiate. In my life time (31 years), there have been 3 times that I know of when the palestinains could have had their own state, but arab leaders rejected the terms out of hand.
AND NO I'M NOT A PALESTINIAN, IM A BRITISH GIRL WHO EXPERIENCED IT WITH HER OWN EYES, AND LET ME TELL YOU THAT I DON'T THINK YOU WOULD WANT YOUR CHILDREN TO EXPERIENCE WHAT THE PALESTINIANS HAVE TO EXPERIENCE ON A DAILY BASIS. SO I SUGGEST YOU WAKE UP FROM YOUR PERFECT LITTLE ARROGANT LIES AND TRY TO DO SOMETHING WHICH WILL HELP SOMEONE OTHER THAN YOUR FAT SELVES.
I've had it up to here with people defending Israel. I wonder how they would feel if they were occupied, starved to death, subjecting to racism, couldn't even get into school without going through a dozen check points, whilst the ZIONIST live in fucking harmony.
DERANGED MOTHER FUCKERS SUPPORT MASS KILLING OF INNOCENT CHILDREN AND WOMEN. WHAT WILL IT TAKE FOR YOU BRAINWASHED FOOLS TO REALIZE WHAT THE ISRAELIS ARE DOING IS ILLEGAL, AND WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS EXACTLY WHAT THE NAZIS DID.
I never said the ministry is trying to destroy the Dome of the Rock and al aqsa. Learn to read. I said they got caugt digging illegally under the wailing wall and destroying evidence and artifacts that prove Jews have lived in Jerusalem for over 3000 years. Palestinians and Muslims are DESPERATE to disprove Jewish connections to the city. All this is recorded in encyclopedias. Go to a library (but you must learn to read first)
@truthforchrist IF they had been caught digging illegally under the wailing wall, they would be no more guilty than israel is guilty of attempting to find biblical artifacts, so far totally in vain, without regard for whether or not al aqsa is demolished as a result of their digging. Soon, al aqsa will collapse, and you can complain about how muslims are trying to desperately to destroy jewish holy sites while islamic holy sites lie in ruins and the wailing wall is totally fine.
@truthforchrist And of course, palestinians and muslims KNOW that jews have lived in that region for thousands of years, they know that far better than you do, and they are desperate to maintain their own property, their own culture, their own history, which israel is busy erasing and destroying while you issue racist hate speech against muslims and palestinians for doing what israel is doing to them.
It's not a matter of what I believe...it's a matter of what accredited encyclopedias say. They all say that the ministry is in Egypt and Jordan. Israel gave control of the site to the ministry, and the burden of proof is on you to disprove an accredited encyclopedia. I will wait till you bring your proof.
Just do 5 minutes of research. The ministry of awqaf of Ammon owns, controls, maintains and sets the policies for the dome of the rock and al aqsa. It took 30 seconds to get that info, and I don't know why you couldnt find it. They have dug under the wailing wall more than once in order to get it to collapse. They have been caught red handed destroying evidence that proves Jews have been living in Jerusalem for 3000 years
@truthforchrist You're having a laugh. You seriously believe that nonsense?! Oh boy. You found it on the internets so it must be true, right? Yeah, it sounds totally plausible that an islamic organization would try to destroy the dome of the rock and al aqsa, and then israel would allow them to dig under the wailing wall!!! You're turning reality on it's head and it's not going to work to fool people with working brains.
@truthforchrist Btw, the ministry of awqaf of Ammon is IN EGYPT, NIMROD. Can you explain to me how a nationalized egyptian ministry is controlling the most sacred site in israel and digging under the wailing wall? What are you smoking, pal?
@truthforchrist You BELIEVE that?! Seriously, how naive do you have to be to think israel is going to give an islamic organization control of the wailing wall! Unbelievable. That's got to be the most comical thing I've ever heard.
@truthforchrist Wait, you are saying the dome of the rock and al aqsa?! Why would they do that? They don't want al aqsa to collapse, that's a very holy site for them! It's not muslims who are digging tunnels under al aqsa, it's the israelis, who are looking for mythical artifacts, so far without any success.
Israel has bulldozed most of it's settlements in te areas that it disengaged from. How did you not know that? It's been on all the news channels, all over the Internet. Whenit comes to the collapse of al-aqsa, the Palestinians have been digging tunnels to get the Wailing Wall to collapse, so both are guilty
@truthforchrist No, palestinians can't do that, they don't have the authority, and israel did evacuate the settlements in gaza, which were illegal like the ones in the west bank, in order to turn gaza into a giant prison, then they paid the settlers a hefty sum of money to move to other illegal settlements! They don't pay arabs and they don't give them new homes, they make their families homeless and then you defend it like a blind follower of the antichrist, promoting evil.
A village can be bulldozed by the State. For example, I now live in Chicago, and there may come a day when the Federal Government destroys the city. It has nothing to do with discrimination. Where I used to live is a completely different story (that country shall remain nameless), so I have seen first hand discrimination versus bulldozing for other reasons
@truthforchrist Bullshit, you are a blind propagandist for apartheid. They didn't bulldoze that arab village for no reason at all, they bulldozed it, OVER AND OVER AGAIN, because the inhabitants were arab and they wanted them gone. How many jewish only settlements in the west bank have been bulldozed? How many times have israelis had their homes destroyed by the state against their will? Please enlighten me on that count.
The term "Jewish state" refers to the concept that Jews have a place they can call home if they so choose. It doesn't mean you are forced to be Jewish, and the demographics prove that. Only 75% of the citizens of Isreal are Jewish. It's like in Iran. It's an Islamic Republic, but Christians, Jews and even Hindus have full rights and citizenship. You are not forced to be a Muslim in Iran (Saudi Arabia on the other hand....)
@truthforchrist Try 48.6% That's the true percentage of israeli jews living in israel and the occupied territories, which israel rules over in the name of the "jewish people", which is defined by israel in racial terms. Having a jewish state means that the state is for jews. Why do you think they call arabs "present absentees"?! The state is NOT FOR THEM. Maybe you think that the "white state" of south africa was ok too? The segregationist south, that was ok too?
@truthforchrist Iran is an islamic theocracy, it does discriminate against others by nature, but at least it does not bulldoze people's homes for being the wrong religion, as israel does on a daily basis. just ask the bedouins of al arakib, some of whom are idf veterans, what it means for jews to have a "place to call home", where they can't buy land, and where they are made homeless by force. Ask them if that's equal.
I don't know much about fatah so if you wouldnt mind explaining why they are a bad choice, I would appreciate it. Or if you know a web site that has info on them, that would also be fine
@truthforchrist Hamas is a subsidiary of the israeli occupation of the west bank and gaza. They get money from the government of israel and do it's bidding. They have no real authority or sovereign territory, and they behaved like dictators, rounding up their political opposition and beating them with hot iron rods, torturing them to death, etc. Just do some googling about fatah's actions in the gaza strip.
What do the extremist settlers teach their kids? My guess is that they probably lie to their kids. However, Israel is secular and all kids that go to public school get a secular education. Some extremist teach their kids not to respect al aqsa, but Israeli law prevents Jews from damaging the property and Israel gave control of the site to a Muslim organization. There are extremist in Israel, but the State does limit their influence
@truthforchrist It's a religious state! It's the state of a religion! They study the bible as a historical text, they're digging under al aqsa to find evidence of biblical myths! The settlers teach their children that they were born with the rights to land that other people own, they teach their children that those other people are beneath them and hate them for no reason, and are savages. Soon al aqsa will collapse because of the extensive tunneling. Oopsie doopsie!
@n8glenn Go to any encyclopedia, and you will see that Israel is secular. They are 1 of 2 secular countries in the middle east (the other being Turkey). It is a land for Jews, but that doesn't make it a Pro-Jewish and Anti everything else.
For example, 1.2 million non-Jews have citizenship in Isreal with full rights. There are arabs on the Israeli supream court. There are arabs in the IDF. There are arab schools.
@truthforchrist Uh, yeah, that does make it "pro-jewish and anti-everything else", as a matter of fact. Non-jews do NOT have full rights, they are excluded from over 90% of the land! They are almost never given building permits, they are sometimes not allowed to return home if they are traveling outside the country! How can you have a "jewish state" which is secular? it is logically impossible, it is the "state of the jewish people, wherever they may live"!
@truthforchrist And yeah, there are Arabs in the idf, there were blacks in the army in WWII!!! So what? There were arab idf veterans who had their entire village bulldozed over and over again so they could plant trees! You call that equal?
Hamas is a big deal and not to be taken lightly. Hamas teaches kids to be suicide bombers. They teach kids the holocaust never happened. They teach kids that Palestinians were the original inhabitants of the land. They teach kids that the Wailing / Western Wall is part of a mosque and not Herods Temple. They teach kids all these lie, and more. It's a little unfair to say "so what if they voted for Hamas", when Hamas is causig so many problems in the region
@truthforchrist I'd like to see proof of all of these charges, and I'd also like to ask just what you think the extremist settlers are teaching their children? Do you think they teach their children to respect palestinians? Or that al aqsa mosque should be respected as a muslim place of worship?! Somehow I doubt it. They are writing "arabs to the gas chambers" in the west bank, not that you mind, and that is very serious.
Everyone knows that Israel and zionism equals hypocracy, supremacist thought and promotes terror. Because they are worth more than others in their intellectually corrupt mind!
Continued from below: Since most voted for and/or support Hamas, this makes almost all the Palestinians "look" like terrorist, weather they are or not. There should be peace, and blockading gaza might win a war, but probably won't bring peace. However, at this point in time, no one seems to know of a better way that is reasonable and not biased
@truthforchrist If that's true then israelis "look" like terrorists for voting for benjamin netanyahu and avigdor lieberman, both of them are fascists and racists.
Im not arguing over who is a terrorist. All I'm saying is that legal experts of the international community declares Hamas and it's supporters to be terrorist, and at the same time, they do not declare Israel to be a terrorist organization. This is not my opinion, and to answer your question, I dont know all the requirements in determining who is a terrorist. The main problem with the Palestinians is that upwards of 90% or more voted and/or supports hamas.
@truthforchrist So what if they voted for Hamas? Are you going to judge the population of Gaza based on what Israel tells you about Hamas or are you going to ONLY TRY to imagine yourself being in their shoes.
@truthforchrist Hamas is the only choice for them other than Fatah, which is a stooge for israel and totally corrupt and dictatorial, and hamas is far more reasonable than the current right wing government of israel, which was voted into power by israelis. If you were living in a ghetto, with either a corrupt stooge or a hamas to vote for, you might choose hamas too, rather than someone who is openly betraying you, and maybe you'd want to have human rights too.
As for building a wall around Israel...well, the day they are declared to be a terrorist organization, then you might get your wish. As of now, no civilized country and no educated legal expert considers Israel to be a terrorist group. Again, you can your opinion, but it's not a fact
@truthforchrist What is the definition of terrorism and who decides who is terrorist and who isn't? Palestinians civilians who are being bombed and gassed in a giant prison might have a far better argument that the IDF, the settlers, and the israeli government itself is terrorist than you could ever muster against palestinians or even hamas! When you bomb and terrorize civilians for political purposes, you're a terrorist, that is a FACT, even if you're wearing a uniform.
@truthforchrist You see, you can't call palestinians terrorist for killing civilians, then say israel is NOT terrorist when it does the EXACT SAME THING. Definitions apply to everybody equally regardless of RACE.
You can have any opinion you want on the gaza situation, but opinions aside, the legal experts in the UN have declared it legal. That is the FACT of the situation. You can have your opinion, but it's not a fact. There is a popular saying: "if the Muslims/Palestinians lay down their weapons, there would be peace. If Israel lays down it's weapons, they would be wiped off the map". There is a lot of truth to that saying
Concerning the restrictions on goods reaching Gaza via the land crossings the Palmer report stated that they were the main reason for a unsustainable and unacceptable humanitarian situation in Gaza.[16][17][18][19] UN envoy Desmond Tutu, United Nations Human Rights Council head Navi Pillay, the International Committee of the Red Cross and, according to Richard Falk, most experts on international law[20] consider the blockade illegal.[21][22][23][24][25]
@truthforchrist If the blockade of gaza is legal, then military occupation is legal, waging war on a captive civilian population is legal. Imprisoning people based on their race is legal, and of course, egypt's actions against israel in 1967 were imminently legal! You can't have it both ways, and you can quote "popular sayings" all you want, it's just propaganda with no basis in reality, where palestinian refugees are victims, not aggressors.
So it's confirmed...you choose to ignore reality. You ask for proof? Satellites and computers have proven it. As for the gaza blockade, the UN has reaffirmed that Israel is not breaking international law. The reason the UN allows it IS DUE TO TO THE FACT THAT ISRAEL IS TRYING TO LIMIT THE ROCKET FROM GETTIG INTO THE HANDS OF HAMAS. Sorry for the caps, but you seem to fail to grasp very simple concepts
@truthforchrist You ignore reality, you ignore the massive killing israel engages in against a hostile civilian population which it is actively imprisoning and waging war on. Satellites and computers?! Please, you're being comical, just take your satellites and computers and show them to the zionist Dr Richard Goldstone, he hasn't seen them yet, and he has some clue what he's talking about, unlike you. Israel is limiting everything going into gaza, from toys to chocolate.
@truthforchrist Israel limits food, medicine, building supplies, all using the excuse of limiting rockets going into gaza, which is SUPPOSEDLY a sovereign country! How about we build walls around israel and limit how many rockets THEY get!!! After all, they have a whole lot of rockets and they're fond of using them against civilians, including illegal gas weapons and experimental weapons which cause horrific injuries without killing!
Rockets are all computerized, which means it 100% accurate to track where they were fired from, where they are going, when they were fired, and when they will detonate. It's very, very easy with modern technology. So yes, the world knows for a fact that Palestinians have fired rockets from homes, schools and such. The ONLY way to deny that is to be so filled with hate for the Jews that you simply choose to ignore reality
@truthforchrist No, you don't have to hate jews to demand proof of claims against palestinians. The world knows that israel has gazans locked in a giant prison and is starving and blockading them, and shooting them from the borders on a daily basis. The world knows that there is no evidence to support israel's excuses for dropping bombs on schools and mosques and orphanages, and to claim that not hating palestinians means hating jews is utterly contemptible nonsense.
As for Israel, let me ask you a question. If your country was fired upon, and the location from where the rockets were fired from were homes, schools, hospitals, mosques and parks, wouldnt you still fire back? Of coarse you would. That is the same situation Israel is in. The Palestinians fired rockets at Israel from those locations, and obviousy Israel is going to fire back at the rocket locations. You would do the same thing.
@truthforchrist Are you arguing for hamas? They are receiving daily fire from israeli troops at the border! Israel is the major power in the region, and the gazans are refugees with handguns and home made rockets. Those rockets have killed about a dozen people in their history, and meanwhile israel has been lobbing thousands of tons of military grade explosives into gaza and has killed thousands of people, and you're angry about the dozen or so, but not the thousands. Why?
@truthforchrist Now, about the mosques and schools and orphanages that israel bombarded, there is no evidence whatsoever to back up their claims that people were firing from those places, no evidence whatsoever, as was testified to by goldstone. But of course they're going to CLAIM that, they're not going to admit they fired on orphanages because there were palestinian children in them. Just like they dug up palestinian cemetaries with tanks, were the corpses shooting at them?
@truthforchrist you are kidding or joke or what? what fire back you talk about!! you occupied Palestine in 1948 and killed the Palestinian people and you committed the worst war crimes and genocide against humanity. now answer my question '' what are you going to do with some one by force inter your house,stolen and usurp your home from you and killed your children and your wife and brought his family to live on the lives of your children and your wife) you will happy or help or clap to him ?
To prove there has never been an Arab race, all you have to do is look at history. Talk to anyone from Iraq. They do not want to associate with, or be part of Eqypt. Jordan is separate from and is completely distinguishable from Saudi Arabia. There has never, and will never be a time when people refer to the region as an "Arab race". Each country is distinct from each other and they would be offended if you limped them all together
@truthforchrist That is just nonsense and ignorance. Maybe we could look at history to say there's no white race! Maybe because germany is separate and distinguishable from france, there's no european race!!! Seriously, if there's no arab race or ethnicity, then you tell me what ethnicity arabs are, please, I'm all ears, what are they? Caucasian? African? Slavic? Asian? What?
@truthforchrist I have no respect for racists who deny their own ideas and racism. You generalize and prejudge other people based on the way they were born, then you think you can justify it with LABELS! Like somehow, if you choose to call people "not a race", that you can discriminate against them, be prejudiced against them, and it's all swell! Meanwhile you call other people racists falsely, by lying about what they say and think, like me for example.
You asked why I know you are hateful if you don't hate the Arab race. 1) there is no "Arab race". Even the Arabs would tell you that. There has never, and will never be an Arab race. 2) you hate Jews and want them pushed into the sea. You are a bigot and hate Jews purely because they are Jews. You are pro-genocide since you want Israel wiped off the map. Do you want me to keep going?
@truthforchrist If there is no arab race, then what race are arabs?! Arabs are a distinct ethnicity (race), they will tell you that, if you ask, which you haven't. And yes, I want you to keep going, I want you to quote me saying any of the things you claim I say, which you can not do. I never said any of that, but you have made many statements generalizing about arabs and palestinians and muslims, all of which is racism, and I can quote you, unlike you I'm not a liar.
1) murdering is done by both sides, yet you only seem to think Israel is guilty if it. 2) ethnic discrimination is done by the Palestinians, where as Israel is secular and gives all their citizens full and equal rights. 3) The Palestinians lie about history, Israel doesnt. Palestinian text books say the holocaust never happenes and that Palestinians are the "original inhabitants" of the land...those are 2 massive lies
@truthforchrist 1) Slaves in the south murdered their masters, and masters routinely murdered slaves, maybe we can just say that both slaves and masters were guilty?! 2) Some black people are racist, does that make america's treatment of black people ok? 3) That's a racist statement, and I challenge you to produce these mythical textbooks, they don't exist. If they did, it would not be an excuse for being racist against palestinians, and israeli historians agree with me.
@truthforchrist You see, I never said that palestinians never killed anybody, or were angels, that's irrelevant. Jews in germany sometimes committed crimes, they were sometimes bigoted against gentiles, so what? Does that make it ok to kill them? Israel is the aggressor, and always has been, and the palestinians are powerless refugees who are being abused, and you support that abuse, proving that you either hate them or maybe just don't care about them at all.
Of the 2 of us, you were the only one who said that a group of people should be "pushed into the sea". You said that about the Jews, I never said that about the Palestinians. I have exposed another one of your many lies. I was correct...you won't admit that you are a hateful lieing bigot. I knew you wouldn't admit it. However, before today, my last reply was months ago. Why wait till now to reply?
@truthforchrist Ha! That's funny. You "exposed" me by telling a lie you can't back up. If I said anybody should be pushed into the sea, then QUOTE ME! Tell me where and when I said that, and provide the quote, otherwise you're just a liar, exposing yourself as a fraud. Why do you hate palestinians so much that you support their victimization, dispossession, and destruction? Why do you think that I'm hateful if I don't hate the arab race?
@truthforchrist And, I replied to you today because I noticed that you had slandered me to some other person while telling incredibly preposterous lies about history in order to slander arabs and palestinians and justify their abuse.
@truthforchrist Tell me, "truth for christ", what does jesus think about racism, murdering people because of their race, ethnic discrimination, lying about history in order to make sure that children are abused and an entire society is systematically destroyed? Shouldn't you really be calling yourself "lies for the antichrist"?
Let's look at the facts. I support a stable Arab state...you want genocide for the Jews. I'm against the terrorist group hamas...you support them. I want peace in the region...you want all Jews to be killed
@truthforchrist Bullshit. I do not want genocide for jews or for anybody, I do not support terrorist groups, neither hamas nor the IDF, and I do not just want pacification in the region, I want justice and true peace. You, on the other hand, want palestine and palestinians to be destroyed, subjegated, or expelled, you want them to be pacified by brute force, and you support terrorists, namely the IDF. If I want any of the things you claim, then quote me. Go ahead, I'll wait.
The difference between you and I is...I don't hate Arabs and I hope for a stable state of Palestine (not governed by the terrorists Hamas). You are a bigot and pro genocide since you hate Jews and want them "pushed into the sea" (as you said in one of your videos). You have been exposed. The best thing you can do now is admit you filled with hate, be a man and apologize. I doubt you will do it (but I've been wrong before)
@truthforchrist You're lying about me. I said I liked the idea of fighter jets being pushed into the sea, you don't think that jews are fighter jets, do you? You hate arabs, because if you didn't, you would not ignore their suffering and support the state which abuses them. You might as well call me a bigot for opposing slavery in the south, and tell me I want white people pushed into the sea, and claim not to hate black people, while supporting the confederacy.
@truthforchrist Now, since you support a state which is based on race (dna to be exact) and you support israel attacking arabs but don't support arabs attacking israel even though they have far more of an excuse to do so by YOUR OWN DEFINITION OF WAR, and furthermore you hold the IDF to one standard and Hamas to another, based purely on race or maybe religion, you should admit you're a racist and apologize, but i doubt that will happen.
The straits were completely closed...which according to the UN and the treaties between Israel and Egypt, is an act of war. If Egypt had no intention to invade, the why did Naser say he was going to wipe Israel off the map? Why did he mass 100k troops on Israels boarder? I brought facts to this discussion, and you brought polemics and opinions. I beg you to keep replying so we can all see how much of a bigot you are
@truthforchrist Don't you worry, I will keep busting up your arguments with facts. The fact is that israel is constantly talking about wiping palestine off the map, and the words of Naser are not an excuse to start a war. US intelligence determined that the arabs had no intention of attacking and if they did attack they would be immediately defeated. Those are the facts, now, if you want to call me a bigot for not hating arabs and supporting a racist state, you go right ahead!
@truthforchrist Btw, I noticed how you just ignored the fact that israel is by your definition waging war on gaza in order to whine about somebody saying something you don't like, as an excuse for war. I also noticed how you called me bigoted for not being a racist, which is funny. I think the fact that you're an anti-arab, anti-muslim racist makes you a racist, and my rejection of racism and race based states which discriminate based on race probably doesn't make me racist.
@truthforchrist And no, the straits weren't completely closed, ships were getting through, and israel was not having any difficulty at all getting goods. No difficulty at all. They were at leisure either to deal with egypt fairly or to attack them pretending that they posed a threat, they chose to attack because like I said, they saw an opportunity to grap land. You support that but I'm guessing you don't support hamas attacking israel even though they ARE fully blockaded.
Historians agree that in 1967, Israel fired the first shot, but the Arabs started the war. This isn't debated among historians. Egypt massed 100k troops on Israels boarders and booted the UN peacekeepers. Also, Egypt closed the straits to Israeli shipping WHICH IS AN ACT OF WAR ACCORDING TO THE CHARTER. Thank you for publicly showing how uneducated you are
@truthforchrist Egypt did not invade israel, and had no real intention of doing so, furthermore, they only partially closed the straits, which did not affect israel's ability to obtain goods. If that is an act of war to you, then clearly israel is waging war far more furiously on the civilian population of gaza, which is subject to a complete, crippling blockade, and has israeli troops on it's borders, who regularly murder farmers who are attempting to work their land in gaza.
@froggymicwop I'm talking about the people who oppose the jewish state and wish to have a secular democracy where they live equally with palestinians (that's the only just solution). Those people are an extreme minority, those who wish to have a two state solution are of course in the majority, but that doesn't matter, the government isn't going to do that.
@n8glenn the government isn't going to have a secular, equal democracy either (though i agree, that is what they should do). at least the two state solution is better than what they have now.
@froggymicwop Maybe, but even in the best case scenario it totally ignores the refugees, and leaves the likelyhood of more ethnic cleansing and violence.
Perhaps you forget the 1948 war. Israel defended its self. And if you condemn the British for giving away the land, then you had better condemn the ottoman empire since they took control of the land prior to the British. You would be a hypocrite if you didn't have the same opinion about the ottomans.
This is another purely anti-Israeli propaganda video. You neglect to mention that the Jews who lived in Israel when it was first created only fought in self defense AFTER 4 arab nations attacked them. Israel was part of the British Empire and the British basically gave the land to the Jews. There was no massacre to establish boarders.
@awesomeemperor This is a purely anti-human rights abuse, anti-ethnic cleansing propaganda video, I agree. Britain did not have the right to give away other people's land, or to decide for palestinians that they should be loaded on cattle cars and forcibly relocated so that an ethnically pure state could be created on their land, and yes, zionists did fight in self defense, in exactly the same way that white settlers fought and exterminated native americans in self defense.
Oh please, cattle cars? There people go, calling Holocaust on the Palestinian refugee issue. You're blowing this into something really ugly. The Jews have a right to the land where they came from, because not only is it their birthright, its the only country where Jews are safe from non-Jews. Time and again through history, the Jews have been shown they cannot trust their neighbors who turn on them and libel them.
@bariguy87 No one has special rights because of their race, religion, or any other accident of birth. We are all born with exactly the same rights, and palestinians have just as much right to the land as anybody else. As for being safe, clearly germany, the US, and most other countries are far safer than israel, but no one is ever truly safe.
Where did I say, kick out the Palestinians, that they aren't a people who are entitled to a country? Where did I say that? Safe in Germany and the US and other countries. Yeah, if you look back in history, things can change for Jewish people very quickly. They get blamed and scapegoated for everything. Israel is very safe, compared to what the news makes it seem and everyone still thinking there is a suicide bombing everyday. The Jews have been refugees in a sense for 2000 yrs
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sexpolice101 4 weeks ago
You should do some research on the Mexican-American War because you just over oversimplified it. The land that America "stole" form Mexico was mostly occupied by Native American tribes who were waging a bloody war against the Mexicans.
Read the book War of a Thousand Deserts
TruthOasis 1 month ago in playlist Liked videos
@TruthOasis No doubt the land was originally stolen from natives. That's the way history has always gone, people conquering by force, it is the entire history of mankind, and if you look at the history of the native peoples, again you find conquests, stealing land from others, preying upon the weaker tribes. It's just an unfortunate truth but hopefully one that won't last forever.
n8glenn 1 month ago
@n8glenn Alot of civilization are guilty of conquering by force. Mongols, Spanish, Japanese, Turks, and Arabs to name a few. However only northern Europeans are expected to apologize for the actions of their ancestors.
TruthOasis 4 weeks ago
@TruthOasis All people have been violent and conquered and committed crimes in the past, that's not the issue. Europeans have no responsibility to feel guilty or apologize for history, their only obligation is to be just and fair to other human beings, european or not.
n8glenn 4 weeks ago
I love this man! what he says is very logical, he makes a lot of sense!
flaregunsx26x 1 month ago
@truthforchrist You fraud, What an embarrassment. You're simply not capable of having this type of conversation, if you can't keep track of the questions you ask me or my answers to you it's not my problem, and everybody knows what hadiths are, they are religious writings which DID NOT come from god but from various muslims down through time, and asserting that they are believed to be without error is just moronic. You have no clue, and parade yourself as a professor. Sheesh.
n8glenn 1 month ago
@truthforchrist You are delusional or just a persistent liar. You have never refuted anything, perhaps you just aren't capable of understanding why you are wrong about the quran, that's not my problem, I feel sorry for you if you actually paid for an education in the quran and the bible, but I won't humor you any longer, you're just making a clown out of yourself and simultaneously being a jackass.
n8glenn 1 month ago
@truthforchrist I grow tired of your pathetic lies, you lie to me about me, and you lie about such a simple fact as the quran being memorized widely since it was first uttered by mohammad, which I think is pretty common knowledge among anyone who has a passing knowledge of the quran. I was talking about a picture of fighter jets being pushed into the sea, which I liked, as you well know. This is not the channel for people to push lies in support of racism. Blocked. Removed.
n8glenn 1 month ago
@n8glenn You ask why did muslims not notice these changes? Well, they did. Its only MODERN DAY muslimsthat believe the billshit that the quran was memorized by 10,000 people and that it was unchanged. 1000 years ago, Muslims knew about these changes and wrote a out them in the hadiths and other commentaries.
truthforchrist 1 month ago
@truthforchrist You're an embarrassment, If you have a PHD in the quran, you need to get a refund, you're not even close to being correct, you have literally no clue what you're talking about and you're a shameless liar. I grow tired from laughing at you, start telling the truth or I'll give you a mercy blocking. :)
n8glenn 1 month ago
@n8glenn I dont have a PHD in textual manuscripts. I decided to leave the program since I was in it for the wrong reasons. I was never going to make it a career. I'm an engineer and I have no intention of leaving that field to be a scholar. However, the knowledge I have is light years beyond the pro-islamic apologietical bullshit that spews from your mouth.
And you probably would block people who expose you for the liar you are.. You are a coward and have been caught lieing so many time
truthforchrist 1 month ago
@truthforchrist Oh, what a suprise, you "left the program"! Is that your excuse for having no clue what the hell you're talking about? You're an engineer now? What are you working on, a perpetual energy machine maybe? Yeah, I block people when they lie to me and waste my time, and I should have blocked you a long time ago but you're just a little bit entertaining and it's been fun watching you make a clown of yourself, but I have no more time for you.
n8glenn 1 month ago
@truthforchrist Furthermore, your questions to me about the bible demonstrate you have literally no clue what the bible says, let alone the quran. Oh, the hilarity. Phd! That's an insult to my intelligence.
n8glenn 1 month ago
@n8glenn Since you FINALLY admitted to not reading the quran, or Hadith and only you only spoke to a few uneducated muslims, tell me...why should I trust a single thing you say on the subject? I have been in the PHD program for Biblical and quranic manuscripts. I have seen the oldest manuscripts of each with my own eyes. Why are you even talkin to me about this subject? You are way out of your league
truthforchrist 1 month ago
@truthforchrist I do not lie like you, I never claimed to have read the quran, I know a heck of a lot more about it than you do, you didn't even know that the quran was memorized MORE than written down in the beginning! You probably didn't even know the quran means "recitation" -- MEANING IT WAS AN ORAL DOCUMENT!!! You have a phd in shit, you should get a refund for your imaginary degree, and if it's a real degree, you need to be embarrassed and go home. :)
n8glenn 1 month ago
@n8glenn YOU SAID "you didn't even know that the quran was memorized MORE than written down in the beginning!" The truth is, it wasn't memorized. I don't know why you keep lieing about that. Which of the 16 qurans was the one that was memorized? Can you answer that? Since there were no vowels, it would have been impossible to know 1 written dialect from another written dialect. These are the kinds of facts that scholars know...and apologetical lieing bigots like you don't know.
truthforchrist 1 month ago
@truthforchrist Another embarrassingly ignorant statement by you. If you can't do some BASIC research on the topic you claim to have a PHD in, then claim to have "left the program" of, then you're going to make a fool of yourself over and over, I'm embarrassed for you. You don't even know, I bet, that hebrew originally had no vowels either! You just keep asserting the quran wasn't memorized, muslims need a good laugh too. They're laughing at you, if they read this believe me.
n8glenn 1 month ago
@truthforchrist Yes,I can tell you! None of them. The quran originally came from RECITATIONS, as you would know if you knew anything at all. It did not come from written form, as it was recited by mohammad and memorized by his followers who were mostly ILLITERATE. Phd.
n8glenn 1 month ago
@n8glenn You keep lieing and saying I'm a racist, yet you can't give a single example. I'm for a 2 state solution...you want genocide of Jews. "pushed into the sea" is the wording you used. Stop lieing unless you can come up with an example you Jew hating bigot
truthforchrist 1 month ago
@truthforchrist You lie, I liked the idea of fighter jets being pushed into the sea, not jews. I asked you if you thought jews were fighter jets, you never answered. You on the other hand, are pushing islamophobic bigotry, which is racism. I never push hate against jews, or advocate genocide against jews, I defend jews, you attack muslims because of their basic religious affiliation, and pretend to be an expert on islam, which you apparently know nothing about.
n8glenn 1 month ago
@EgyptUnderGroundArmy If you read the sana Quran, you will see sura 19, 20, 21, 22 are missing. You will also see that it ends at sura 95. This is the OLDEST QURAN in existence, which means it's the most authentic according to scholars. All those "missing" suras were added much later. The idea that 10,000 Muslims memorized te quran is a lie according to scholars. Your own hadiths speak of many quran all with different meanings
truthforchrist 1 month ago
@truthforchrist Hadiths are religious writings, not gospel, not from god, get it? You're not even close to being right about the quran, just with a little cursory research I discovered that you're full of shit. The quran was memorized before it was ever written down! The early written qurans are not considered to be authoritative, the people who memorized the quran from recitations were always considered the authority and they have NEVER changed.
n8glenn 1 month ago
@EgyptUnderGroundArmy This is exactly what I'm talkin about. Your information comes from answering-Christianity and not from scholars. Also, The following verses differ between the Warsh version (popular in Africa) and the Hafs versions (popular in Middle East) of the Quran: 7:57, 9:37, 2:259, 3:81, 6:96, 1:4, 2:140, 2:125, 3:146, 2:132, 91:15, 2:132, 3:133, 5:45, 2:139, 3:81, 2:259, 2:214, 2:9, 2:184 & 28:48.
truthforchrist 1 month ago
@truthforchrist You need to write the actual verses, not numbers, and of course, you have no idea what you're talking about, older versions of the quran were written in imperfect language, they had no reliable way of marking vowel sounds, and could be misinterpreted, but were not considered authoritative, only people who memorized the quran were considered to be authoritative. If you weren't a fraud you'd probably know that.
n8glenn 1 month ago
@bigoxtailbone2 Muslims can "believe" the Quran is unedited, but facts prove them wrong. Every book written before the printing press has seen some changes. You can't read Arabic, but if you could, you would notice that the sana manuscripts (the oldest quran ever found) is drastically different from the modern Ciaro version of today.
truthforchrist 1 month ago
@truthforchrist Really? How are the Sana manuscripts different from those of today?
pwnr95 1 month ago
@truthforchrist Yes, please tell us about some of these differences.
n8glenn 1 month ago
@truthforchrist Since the quran has changed so much, how do you explain that muslims have been memorizing the quran since the very beginning? If a large percentage of the muslim population had the entire book memorized, word for word, and revered it as the word of god, then why would they change it? And if it did change, why didn't they notice that fact?
n8glenn 1 month ago
@n8glenn I really don't understand what makes an american fight for or cause,most of the americans i meet are brainwahsed by their media and give shit to politics
It's such an honor to meet a man like you,I respect you so much :)
EgyptUnderGroundArmy 1 month ago
@EgyptUnderGroundArmy On the contrary, warde :) I am honored to have you visit my channel. Long live the heroes of Tahrir and the Egyptian people!
n8glenn 1 month ago
@n8glenn Thank you,but it's my honor to meet you, if you ever thought about visiting Egypt,Remember you have a friend here :)
God bless you
EgyptUnderGroundArmy 1 month ago
@EgyptUnderGroundArmy Right back at you, remember you have a friend in the belly of the beast if you ever think of visiting. :)
n8glenn 1 month ago
@truthforchrist I'm a muslim and let me tell you that all the versions all the same only different READINGS meaning the way your pronounce the word with the same meaning and the quran had and will have only one version
Can you please tell me what are the "DIFFERENCES" that you found on both so called-versions?!
EgyptUnderGroundArmy 1 month ago
@n8glenn I asked you already for something in the Bible that was stated as law, and then abrogated/over ruled. I'm still waiting for an answer. I gave you proof from the quran that it abrogates itself. You are out of your league if you want to debate islam, Christianity, Judiasm or history with me.
truthforchrist 1 month ago
@truthforchrist You've got to be joking, right?! I don't have time to quote to you all the various insane rules which have been overruled or are simply ignored, like stoning your children to death for disobeying, killing unbelievers and gay people, etc etc etc. Listen, kid, don't brag on yourself, it's embarrassing. You have never met a muslim in your life, you're a bigot, a racist, and you "study" by surfing the internet looking for hate to validate your prejudices.
n8glenn 1 month ago
@truthforchrist Your ideas about muslims both believing literally in every single word of the quran, and simultaneously disregarding most of it because of a few handpicked verses of your choosing which describe acts of war and self defense, are just comical. You think muslims are 1.5 billion identical snidely whiplashes, who believe god wants them to be evil, violent, intolerant, and to drink the blood of the innocent, so don't play the professor with me.
n8glenn 1 month ago
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@n8glenn My study does come asking muslims, reading the Quran (something you haven't done), reading the hadiths (something you havent done), visiting mosques and performing interviews of imams (something you haven't done), and ofcoarse, reading encyclopedias on islam. This took me 7 years to accomplish. My knowledge is lightyears beyond yours
truthforchrist 1 month ago
@truthforchrist You fraud. You're lying through your teeth. You did not spend 7 years studying something you despise and obviously have no understanding of. You're an ignorant racist and you think you can lie to me and trick me that easily. You're a fraud.
n8glenn 1 month ago
@truthforchrist But you know what? I'd be totally disappointed if you were the very first ignorant racist with cartoonish misconceptions about muslims who hasn't memorized the quran and the hadiths and talked to every imam in the world etc etc etc. You guys all tell the same transparent lie.
n8glenn 1 month ago
@n8glenn My study does come asking muslims, reading the Quran (something you haven't done), reading the hadiths (something you havent done), visiting mosques and performing interviews of imams (something you haven't done), and ofcoarse, reading encyclopedias on islam. This took me 7 years to accomplish. My knowledge is lightyears beyond yours
truthforchrist 1 month ago
@truthforchrist Now, as for me reading the quran and the hadiths, I don't need to. I'm an atheist. I know all about the controversial verses, and also the verses which are good, and I know many, many muslims on a personal level, and I know what they generally believe and how they interpret the quran. You, on the other hand, are a racist who believes that muslims are evil. You're a clown, telling me cartoonish, idiotic things about people I know. You're full of hate and lies.
n8glenn 1 month ago
@truthforchrist Now, as for me reading the quran and the hadiths, I don't need to. I'm an atheist. I know all about the controversial verses, and also the verses which are good, and I know many, many muslims on a personal level, and I know what they generally believe and how they interpret the quran. You, on the other hand, are a racist who believes that muslims are evil. You're a clown, telling me cartoonish, idiotic things about people I know. You're full of hate and lies.
n8glenn 1 month ago
who is this truthforchrist?
Quran calls jews and Christians people of the book. Muslims respect both the Torah and Bible. Muslims do not follow the Torah and Bible because they believe they have been altered and that the Quran is the final word of God and is an unaltered holy book. They believe all three books came from one good, because jew's and Christians are considered people of the book, Muslim men are allowed to marry Jewish and Christian women, because they share a lot of common ground
bigoxtailbone2 1 month ago
@n8glenn If you never met a muslim that believes in the law of abrogation, then that is more proof for my comment weeks ago...muslims don't read the Quran and they certinally don't knwomwhat the quran says. The quran itself speaks of abrogation. Just do a 30 second google search. Encyclopedias will back me up on this. "there is no compulsion in religion" is an early sura that had been abrogated (contradicted) by later suras
truthforchrist 1 month ago
@truthforchrist Nonsense, that proves nothing except I've actually spoken to muslims and you have not. You don't go to google or encyclopedias to determine what other people believe, you ASK them, and they'll tell you. I have asked them, have you? I know that muslims do not believe that the quran instructs them to be violent or intolerant or evil, but the exact opposite. That's what they tell me, that's the example they show me, so don't make me laugh with this nonsense.
n8glenn 1 month ago
@truthforchrist Now, your "study" of muslims, through google and wikipedia, is like some hindu studying christianity by going to a bunch of indian websites where people spew anti-christian hate, then looking at all the horrible bits of the bible, and claiming those horrible bits "overrule" all the verses which are good, then passing judgement on all christians as if they were one person, having never met or spoken to a christian in his life. It's sheer idiocy.
n8glenn 1 month ago
@truthforchrist So,..Most Christians don't know the Bible book by book. I would even go as far to say that the average Christian finds it difficult to understand or interpret the Bible. They only stick to certain books or popular verses that are simple. Educated or not educated, this goes for all religions. And if you think that Muslims are evil because of what they believe,..do you think that all Christians practice what they preach??
sunflowernoo 1 month ago
I also challenge you to find me ONE SINGLE VERSE IN THE QURAN THAT IS TOLERANT TOWARDS JEWS THAT HAS NOT BEEN ABROGATED. Sorry for the caps, but you have a habit of not responding to my challenges. I also challenge you to find me an intolerant verse towards Jews in the Bible
truthforchrist 1 month ago
@truthforchrist Do not start blathering to me about this nonsense theory of abrogation, it is a cheap way for racists like you to claim that the parts of the quran you don't like just conveniently DON'T COUNT. I've never met a muslim who believed in it. The quran says that muslims must not force their religion on others "above all else", and it also says to be respectful of other religions, because they might be divinely inspired, clearly that includes judaism.
n8glenn 1 month ago
@n8glenn Read your own comment on January 10th..."Iran is an Islamic theocracy and does discriminate other by nature". You can change your attitude now if you want, but you have been caught contradicting yourself. Of the 2 of us, I'm the only one who is in favor of a 2 state solution. So tell me, how am I intolerant? I cant wait to read what lie you will spew next
truthforchrist 1 month ago
@truthforchrist Yeah, and you read the comment I JUST SENT to you, where I repeated again that iran DOES discriminate against jews and DOES PROTECT jews! Iran has constitutional protections for jews built into the constitution and has a jew in the iranian parliament but that does NOT mean that jews are fully equal to muslims in a muslim state. Protection and discrimination are two different things.
n8glenn 1 month ago
@chrlpolk Weeks ago I said Iran goes out of their way to protect Jews and Christians in their country. N8glen said I was wrong. Jews did not declare themselves a state...the UN did. The Arabs living there had many opportunities to declare their own state with their own government. And if you dont think Islam is very anti-Jewish, then clearly you have little knowledge about Islam. I can show you so many hadiths that are anti-Jewish, and none that are tolerant towards Jews
truthforchrist 1 month ago
@truthforchrist I never said that iran does not protect jews or christians, I said that jews and christians are not equal to muslims in an islamic theocracy, which is just common sense. You can pick and choose the bad bits of the quran in order to issue racist hate speech, it can more easily be done with the torah or the bible to make slanderous claims against jews or christians, but you could also highlight verses which extoll tolerance toward other religions, unlike you.
n8glenn 1 month ago
@truthforchrist In fact, iran has explicit protections for jews written into it's constitution, which i have noted many times when talking to racists such as yourself, so don't tell me I disagree with my own statements, and don't tell me that the quran is bad for having verses which could be deemed as intolerant, when you yourself are far more intolerant toward muslims than the quran ever was toward jews.
n8glenn 1 month ago
@truthforchrist, Stop lying, Israel don't want to negotiate with anyone, they want to take and take from the palestinians. It was Israel who broke the peace treaty not the palestinians. The Zionists are opportunists who have skillfully and cynically exploited the West's discomfort and guilt over the Holocaust, and yes I know that the holocust was a terrible time for the jews as they were subjected to cruel punishment but they should use this as a tool to torture palestinians.
MsCurbsideprophet 1 month ago
very well said. agree with you 100%
nystagmus 1 month ago
However, I also know that refuse to do a 5 minute google search on how Arab muslims refuse to acknowledge Jewish connection to Jerusalem. My guess is either you are afraid of what you will find, or you already have looked into it, found out I was correct, but you refuse to admit it. Just read the comments from Iran's president, or the comments from Hamas or other middle eastern islamic organizations
truthforchrist 1 month ago
@truthforchrist I don't need to do google searches in order to disprove your racist generalizations. If you say to me that black people are racists, I don't need to google that racist statement to see if it's true or not, if you say that muslims are antisemites, I don't need to google it because I KNOW MUSLIMS! I know how people in general in the islamic world feel about jews, and yes, they can be bigoted, but most of them are not, regardless of their race or religion.
n8glenn 1 month ago
@n8glenn You might know a few American muslims. I never said otherwise. You don't know any arab muslims. You have clearly never read the quran or hadiths. Actually, very few muslim have ever read the quran and even fewer have read the hadiths. I can show you quotes from both sources that proves that islam is very anti-Jewish. American muslims are not your typical muslims. They are generally non-practicing and tend to not follow the dogma of islam.
truthforchrist 1 month ago
@truthforchrist I have a good knowledge of the questionable verses of the quran as well as the good verses, as well as how muslims interpret them, and yes, I do know american muslims, as well as arab muslims and muslims from the middle east, I have been to the middle east several times, and I know that the racist generalizations against arabs and muslims which people typically make are complete bullshit, with no basis in reality. Islam is not an "evil religion".
n8glenn 1 month ago
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chrlpolk 1 month ago in playlist Israel's Right To Exist?!!
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@truthforchrist Did you know Iran has the Middle East's largest population of Jews, next to Israel? That Jews are protected in Iran's Cosntitution and have a position in government?
A lot of people fail to grasp that the hatred for Israel has nothing to do with the Jewish people. It is the fact that a Jewish community declared Israel as an independent nation, but didn't allow the Arabs living there to have a say in the formation of the new government. That is what the dispute is about.
chrlpolk 1 month ago in playlist Israel's Right To Exist?!!
I said "arab muslims" not "American muslims". The 2 are vasty different. Most Muslims in America just wan to live their life. And don't give me that "people of the book" bullshit. I can userbe quran and hadiths to prove islam is very anti-Jewish
truthforchrist 1 month ago
@truthforchrist No, you can't. Islam is not anti-jewish, as is clearly shown by the history of islam. There are bad verses in the quran, there are also good verses, and there are many, many more bad and antisemitic verses in the bible, does that make christianity anti-jewish? If you look at the history it certainly appears that way, but actually I don't think it is. As for arab muslims being bad, now you're explicitly making a racist statement, is that the way you want to go?
n8glenn 1 month ago
You think Arab Muslims acknowledge the fact that Jews have been living in Jerusalem for 3000+ years? And you call me naive? Oh the irony is not lost on me. Just go to google and look up quoted from Arab leaders and Arab Muslims. They say things like "only Christians and muslims have a history in Jerusalem". I can give you sooooooo many denial quotes. Before responding to me, at least act like you know what you are talking about.
truthforchrist 1 month ago
@truthforchrist They not only acknowledge it, but they regard jews as coreligionists, "people of the book", who they share history and common ancestry with! You need to understand something about me, I actually have met muslims in my lifetime, unlike you, so don't lecture me about "acting like I know" something, I don't act like I know, I know, you act like you know, but you don't.
n8glenn 1 month ago
@truthforchrist "They say things like "only Christians and muslims have a history in Jerusalem""
In that sentence, you said "they". How many is "they"?
italia981 1 month ago
STUPID FUCKING POLITIANS ALWAYS GO ON ABOUT ISRAELIS RIGHT TO EXIST, AND THEIR SAFETY, WHAT ABOUT THE PALESTINIANS OR DON'T THEY EXIST.
WHAT A CRUEL AND NASTY WORLD WE LIVE IN CONTROLLED BY FAT ZIONIST MURDERS, WHO ARE PROBABLY PLANNING ON HOW TO KILL OF EVERY SINGLE PALESTINIAN.
SUB-HUMANS MOTHERFUCKERS
PS DON'T FUCKING DARE CALL ME ANTI-SEMETIC, I HAVE NOTHING AGANIST THE JEWISH RELIGION, I HAVE DOZENS OF JEWISH FRIENDS WHO ARE PRO PALESTINE, BUT WHAT I AM AGAINST IS MURDERING ZIONIST SCUM
MsCurbsideprophet 1 month ago
@MsCurbsideprophet Most politians are for a 2 state solution. They are for a state of palestine. However, most of them want the palestinians to negotiate with Israel. Palestinians get vetoed when they petition the UN courts because they have been told time and time again to negotiate. In my life time (31 years), there have been 3 times that I know of when the palestinains could have had their own state, but arab leaders rejected the terms out of hand.
truthforchrist 1 month ago
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MsCurbsideprophet 1 month ago
AND NO I'M NOT A PALESTINIAN, IM A BRITISH GIRL WHO EXPERIENCED IT WITH HER OWN EYES, AND LET ME TELL YOU THAT I DON'T THINK YOU WOULD WANT YOUR CHILDREN TO EXPERIENCE WHAT THE PALESTINIANS HAVE TO EXPERIENCE ON A DAILY BASIS. SO I SUGGEST YOU WAKE UP FROM YOUR PERFECT LITTLE ARROGANT LIES AND TRY TO DO SOMETHING WHICH WILL HELP SOMEONE OTHER THAN YOUR FAT SELVES.
MsCurbsideprophet 1 month ago
I've had it up to here with people defending Israel. I wonder how they would feel if they were occupied, starved to death, subjecting to racism, couldn't even get into school without going through a dozen check points, whilst the ZIONIST live in fucking harmony.
DERANGED MOTHER FUCKERS SUPPORT MASS KILLING OF INNOCENT CHILDREN AND WOMEN. WHAT WILL IT TAKE FOR YOU BRAINWASHED FOOLS TO REALIZE WHAT THE ISRAELIS ARE DOING IS ILLEGAL, AND WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS EXACTLY WHAT THE NAZIS DID.
MsCurbsideprophet 1 month ago
I never said the ministry is trying to destroy the Dome of the Rock and al aqsa. Learn to read. I said they got caugt digging illegally under the wailing wall and destroying evidence and artifacts that prove Jews have lived in Jerusalem for over 3000 years. Palestinians and Muslims are DESPERATE to disprove Jewish connections to the city. All this is recorded in encyclopedias. Go to a library (but you must learn to read first)
truthforchrist 1 month ago
@truthforchrist IF they had been caught digging illegally under the wailing wall, they would be no more guilty than israel is guilty of attempting to find biblical artifacts, so far totally in vain, without regard for whether or not al aqsa is demolished as a result of their digging. Soon, al aqsa will collapse, and you can complain about how muslims are trying to desperately to destroy jewish holy sites while islamic holy sites lie in ruins and the wailing wall is totally fine.
n8glenn 1 month ago
@truthforchrist And of course, palestinians and muslims KNOW that jews have lived in that region for thousands of years, they know that far better than you do, and they are desperate to maintain their own property, their own culture, their own history, which israel is busy erasing and destroying while you issue racist hate speech against muslims and palestinians for doing what israel is doing to them.
n8glenn 1 month ago
It's not a matter of what I believe...it's a matter of what accredited encyclopedias say. They all say that the ministry is in Egypt and Jordan. Israel gave control of the site to the ministry, and the burden of proof is on you to disprove an accredited encyclopedia. I will wait till you bring your proof.
truthforchrist 1 month ago
Just do 5 minutes of research. The ministry of awqaf of Ammon owns, controls, maintains and sets the policies for the dome of the rock and al aqsa. It took 30 seconds to get that info, and I don't know why you couldnt find it. They have dug under the wailing wall more than once in order to get it to collapse. They have been caught red handed destroying evidence that proves Jews have been living in Jerusalem for 3000 years
truthforchrist 1 month ago
@truthforchrist You're having a laugh. You seriously believe that nonsense?! Oh boy. You found it on the internets so it must be true, right? Yeah, it sounds totally plausible that an islamic organization would try to destroy the dome of the rock and al aqsa, and then israel would allow them to dig under the wailing wall!!! You're turning reality on it's head and it's not going to work to fool people with working brains.
n8glenn 1 month ago
@truthforchrist Btw, the ministry of awqaf of Ammon is IN EGYPT, NIMROD. Can you explain to me how a nationalized egyptian ministry is controlling the most sacred site in israel and digging under the wailing wall? What are you smoking, pal?
n8glenn 1 month ago
Yes the palesinianz can dig under the dome of the rock and al-aqsa since Israel has given complete control of the area to an Islamic organization.
truthforchrist 1 month ago
@truthforchrist You BELIEVE that?! Seriously, how naive do you have to be to think israel is going to give an islamic organization control of the wailing wall! Unbelievable. That's got to be the most comical thing I've ever heard.
n8glenn 1 month ago
@truthforchrist Wait, you are saying the dome of the rock and al aqsa?! Why would they do that? They don't want al aqsa to collapse, that's a very holy site for them! It's not muslims who are digging tunnels under al aqsa, it's the israelis, who are looking for mythical artifacts, so far without any success.
n8glenn 1 month ago
Israel has bulldozed most of it's settlements in te areas that it disengaged from. How did you not know that? It's been on all the news channels, all over the Internet. Whenit comes to the collapse of al-aqsa, the Palestinians have been digging tunnels to get the Wailing Wall to collapse, so both are guilty
truthforchrist 1 month ago
@truthforchrist No, palestinians can't do that, they don't have the authority, and israel did evacuate the settlements in gaza, which were illegal like the ones in the west bank, in order to turn gaza into a giant prison, then they paid the settlers a hefty sum of money to move to other illegal settlements! They don't pay arabs and they don't give them new homes, they make their families homeless and then you defend it like a blind follower of the antichrist, promoting evil.
n8glenn 1 month ago
A village can be bulldozed by the State. For example, I now live in Chicago, and there may come a day when the Federal Government destroys the city. It has nothing to do with discrimination. Where I used to live is a completely different story (that country shall remain nameless), so I have seen first hand discrimination versus bulldozing for other reasons
truthforchrist 1 month ago
@truthforchrist Bullshit, you are a blind propagandist for apartheid. They didn't bulldoze that arab village for no reason at all, they bulldozed it, OVER AND OVER AGAIN, because the inhabitants were arab and they wanted them gone. How many jewish only settlements in the west bank have been bulldozed? How many times have israelis had their homes destroyed by the state against their will? Please enlighten me on that count.
n8glenn 1 month ago
The term "Jewish state" refers to the concept that Jews have a place they can call home if they so choose. It doesn't mean you are forced to be Jewish, and the demographics prove that. Only 75% of the citizens of Isreal are Jewish. It's like in Iran. It's an Islamic Republic, but Christians, Jews and even Hindus have full rights and citizenship. You are not forced to be a Muslim in Iran (Saudi Arabia on the other hand....)
truthforchrist 1 month ago
@truthforchrist Try 48.6% That's the true percentage of israeli jews living in israel and the occupied territories, which israel rules over in the name of the "jewish people", which is defined by israel in racial terms. Having a jewish state means that the state is for jews. Why do you think they call arabs "present absentees"?! The state is NOT FOR THEM. Maybe you think that the "white state" of south africa was ok too? The segregationist south, that was ok too?
n8glenn 1 month ago
@truthforchrist Iran is an islamic theocracy, it does discriminate against others by nature, but at least it does not bulldoze people's homes for being the wrong religion, as israel does on a daily basis. just ask the bedouins of al arakib, some of whom are idf veterans, what it means for jews to have a "place to call home", where they can't buy land, and where they are made homeless by force. Ask them if that's equal.
n8glenn 1 month ago
I don't know much about fatah so if you wouldnt mind explaining why they are a bad choice, I would appreciate it. Or if you know a web site that has info on them, that would also be fine
truthforchrist 1 month ago
@truthforchrist Hamas is a subsidiary of the israeli occupation of the west bank and gaza. They get money from the government of israel and do it's bidding. They have no real authority or sovereign territory, and they behaved like dictators, rounding up their political opposition and beating them with hot iron rods, torturing them to death, etc. Just do some googling about fatah's actions in the gaza strip.
n8glenn 1 month ago
What do the extremist settlers teach their kids? My guess is that they probably lie to their kids. However, Israel is secular and all kids that go to public school get a secular education. Some extremist teach their kids not to respect al aqsa, but Israeli law prevents Jews from damaging the property and Israel gave control of the site to a Muslim organization. There are extremist in Israel, but the State does limit their influence
truthforchrist 1 month ago
@truthforchrist It's a religious state! It's the state of a religion! They study the bible as a historical text, they're digging under al aqsa to find evidence of biblical myths! The settlers teach their children that they were born with the rights to land that other people own, they teach their children that those other people are beneath them and hate them for no reason, and are savages. Soon al aqsa will collapse because of the extensive tunneling. Oopsie doopsie!
n8glenn 1 month ago
@n8glenn Go to any encyclopedia, and you will see that Israel is secular. They are 1 of 2 secular countries in the middle east (the other being Turkey). It is a land for Jews, but that doesn't make it a Pro-Jewish and Anti everything else.
For example, 1.2 million non-Jews have citizenship in Isreal with full rights. There are arabs on the Israeli supream court. There are arabs in the IDF. There are arab schools.
Israel is secular.
truthforchrist 1 month ago
@truthforchrist Uh, yeah, that does make it "pro-jewish and anti-everything else", as a matter of fact. Non-jews do NOT have full rights, they are excluded from over 90% of the land! They are almost never given building permits, they are sometimes not allowed to return home if they are traveling outside the country! How can you have a "jewish state" which is secular? it is logically impossible, it is the "state of the jewish people, wherever they may live"!
n8glenn 1 month ago
@truthforchrist And yeah, there are Arabs in the idf, there were blacks in the army in WWII!!! So what? There were arab idf veterans who had their entire village bulldozed over and over again so they could plant trees! You call that equal?
n8glenn 1 month ago
Hamas is a big deal and not to be taken lightly. Hamas teaches kids to be suicide bombers. They teach kids the holocaust never happened. They teach kids that Palestinians were the original inhabitants of the land. They teach kids that the Wailing / Western Wall is part of a mosque and not Herods Temple. They teach kids all these lie, and more. It's a little unfair to say "so what if they voted for Hamas", when Hamas is causig so many problems in the region
truthforchrist 1 month ago
@truthforchrist I'd like to see proof of all of these charges, and I'd also like to ask just what you think the extremist settlers are teaching their children? Do you think they teach their children to respect palestinians? Or that al aqsa mosque should be respected as a muslim place of worship?! Somehow I doubt it. They are writing "arabs to the gas chambers" in the west bank, not that you mind, and that is very serious.
n8glenn 1 month ago
Everyone knows that Israel and zionism equals hypocracy, supremacist thought and promotes terror. Because they are worth more than others in their intellectually corrupt mind!
Wassouf10 1 month ago
Continued from below: Since most voted for and/or support Hamas, this makes almost all the Palestinians "look" like terrorist, weather they are or not. There should be peace, and blockading gaza might win a war, but probably won't bring peace. However, at this point in time, no one seems to know of a better way that is reasonable and not biased
truthforchrist 1 month ago
@truthforchrist If that's true then israelis "look" like terrorists for voting for benjamin netanyahu and avigdor lieberman, both of them are fascists and racists.
n8glenn 1 month ago
Im not arguing over who is a terrorist. All I'm saying is that legal experts of the international community declares Hamas and it's supporters to be terrorist, and at the same time, they do not declare Israel to be a terrorist organization. This is not my opinion, and to answer your question, I dont know all the requirements in determining who is a terrorist. The main problem with the Palestinians is that upwards of 90% or more voted and/or supports hamas.
truthforchrist 1 month ago
@truthforchrist So what if they voted for Hamas? Are you going to judge the population of Gaza based on what Israel tells you about Hamas or are you going to ONLY TRY to imagine yourself being in their shoes.
Wassouf10 1 month ago
@truthforchrist Hamas is the only choice for them other than Fatah, which is a stooge for israel and totally corrupt and dictatorial, and hamas is far more reasonable than the current right wing government of israel, which was voted into power by israelis. If you were living in a ghetto, with either a corrupt stooge or a hamas to vote for, you might choose hamas too, rather than someone who is openly betraying you, and maybe you'd want to have human rights too.
n8glenn 1 month ago
As for building a wall around Israel...well, the day they are declared to be a terrorist organization, then you might get your wish. As of now, no civilized country and no educated legal expert considers Israel to be a terrorist group. Again, you can your opinion, but it's not a fact
truthforchrist 1 month ago
@truthforchrist What is the definition of terrorism and who decides who is terrorist and who isn't? Palestinians civilians who are being bombed and gassed in a giant prison might have a far better argument that the IDF, the settlers, and the israeli government itself is terrorist than you could ever muster against palestinians or even hamas! When you bomb and terrorize civilians for political purposes, you're a terrorist, that is a FACT, even if you're wearing a uniform.
n8glenn 1 month ago
@truthforchrist You see, you can't call palestinians terrorist for killing civilians, then say israel is NOT terrorist when it does the EXACT SAME THING. Definitions apply to everybody equally regardless of RACE.
n8glenn 1 month ago
You can have any opinion you want on the gaza situation, but opinions aside, the legal experts in the UN have declared it legal. That is the FACT of the situation. You can have your opinion, but it's not a fact. There is a popular saying: "if the Muslims/Palestinians lay down their weapons, there would be peace. If Israel lays down it's weapons, they would be wiped off the map". There is a lot of truth to that saying
truthforchrist 1 month ago
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Concerning the restrictions on goods reaching Gaza via the land crossings the Palmer report stated that they were the main reason for a unsustainable and unacceptable humanitarian situation in Gaza.[16][17][18][19] UN envoy Desmond Tutu, United Nations Human Rights Council head Navi Pillay, the International Committee of the Red Cross and, according to Richard Falk, most experts on international law[20] consider the blockade illegal.[21][22][23][24][25]
n8glenn 1 month ago
@truthforchrist If the blockade of gaza is legal, then military occupation is legal, waging war on a captive civilian population is legal. Imprisoning people based on their race is legal, and of course, egypt's actions against israel in 1967 were imminently legal! You can't have it both ways, and you can quote "popular sayings" all you want, it's just propaganda with no basis in reality, where palestinian refugees are victims, not aggressors.
n8glenn 1 month ago
you are talking about Israel right of existence over stolen lands ,,, WTF?
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NOOS1NOOS 1 month ago
So it's confirmed...you choose to ignore reality. You ask for proof? Satellites and computers have proven it. As for the gaza blockade, the UN has reaffirmed that Israel is not breaking international law. The reason the UN allows it IS DUE TO TO THE FACT THAT ISRAEL IS TRYING TO LIMIT THE ROCKET FROM GETTIG INTO THE HANDS OF HAMAS. Sorry for the caps, but you seem to fail to grasp very simple concepts
truthforchrist 1 month ago
@truthforchrist You ignore reality, you ignore the massive killing israel engages in against a hostile civilian population which it is actively imprisoning and waging war on. Satellites and computers?! Please, you're being comical, just take your satellites and computers and show them to the zionist Dr Richard Goldstone, he hasn't seen them yet, and he has some clue what he's talking about, unlike you. Israel is limiting everything going into gaza, from toys to chocolate.
n8glenn 1 month ago
@truthforchrist Israel limits food, medicine, building supplies, all using the excuse of limiting rockets going into gaza, which is SUPPOSEDLY a sovereign country! How about we build walls around israel and limit how many rockets THEY get!!! After all, they have a whole lot of rockets and they're fond of using them against civilians, including illegal gas weapons and experimental weapons which cause horrific injuries without killing!
n8glenn 1 month ago
Rockets are all computerized, which means it 100% accurate to track where they were fired from, where they are going, when they were fired, and when they will detonate. It's very, very easy with modern technology. So yes, the world knows for a fact that Palestinians have fired rockets from homes, schools and such. The ONLY way to deny that is to be so filled with hate for the Jews that you simply choose to ignore reality
truthforchrist 1 month ago
@truthforchrist No, you don't have to hate jews to demand proof of claims against palestinians. The world knows that israel has gazans locked in a giant prison and is starving and blockading them, and shooting them from the borders on a daily basis. The world knows that there is no evidence to support israel's excuses for dropping bombs on schools and mosques and orphanages, and to claim that not hating palestinians means hating jews is utterly contemptible nonsense.
n8glenn 1 month ago
As for Israel, let me ask you a question. If your country was fired upon, and the location from where the rockets were fired from were homes, schools, hospitals, mosques and parks, wouldnt you still fire back? Of coarse you would. That is the same situation Israel is in. The Palestinians fired rockets at Israel from those locations, and obviousy Israel is going to fire back at the rocket locations. You would do the same thing.
truthforchrist 1 month ago
@truthforchrist Are you arguing for hamas? They are receiving daily fire from israeli troops at the border! Israel is the major power in the region, and the gazans are refugees with handguns and home made rockets. Those rockets have killed about a dozen people in their history, and meanwhile israel has been lobbing thousands of tons of military grade explosives into gaza and has killed thousands of people, and you're angry about the dozen or so, but not the thousands. Why?
n8glenn 1 month ago
@truthforchrist Now, about the mosques and schools and orphanages that israel bombarded, there is no evidence whatsoever to back up their claims that people were firing from those places, no evidence whatsoever, as was testified to by goldstone. But of course they're going to CLAIM that, they're not going to admit they fired on orphanages because there were palestinian children in them. Just like they dug up palestinian cemetaries with tanks, were the corpses shooting at them?
n8glenn 1 month ago
@truthforchrist you are kidding or joke or what? what fire back you talk about!! you occupied Palestine in 1948 and killed the Palestinian people and you committed the worst war crimes and genocide against humanity. now answer my question '' what are you going to do with some one by force inter your house,stolen and usurp your home from you and killed your children and your wife and brought his family to live on the lives of your children and your wife) you will happy or help or clap to him ?
GhostHawk76 1 month ago
To prove there has never been an Arab race, all you have to do is look at history. Talk to anyone from Iraq. They do not want to associate with, or be part of Eqypt. Jordan is separate from and is completely distinguishable from Saudi Arabia. There has never, and will never be a time when people refer to the region as an "Arab race". Each country is distinct from each other and they would be offended if you limped them all together
truthforchrist 1 month ago
@truthforchrist That is just nonsense and ignorance. Maybe we could look at history to say there's no white race! Maybe because germany is separate and distinguishable from france, there's no european race!!! Seriously, if there's no arab race or ethnicity, then you tell me what ethnicity arabs are, please, I'm all ears, what are they? Caucasian? African? Slavic? Asian? What?
n8glenn 1 month ago
@truthforchrist I have no respect for racists who deny their own ideas and racism. You generalize and prejudge other people based on the way they were born, then you think you can justify it with LABELS! Like somehow, if you choose to call people "not a race", that you can discriminate against them, be prejudiced against them, and it's all swell! Meanwhile you call other people racists falsely, by lying about what they say and think, like me for example.
n8glenn 1 month ago
You asked why I know you are hateful if you don't hate the Arab race. 1) there is no "Arab race". Even the Arabs would tell you that. There has never, and will never be an Arab race. 2) you hate Jews and want them pushed into the sea. You are a bigot and hate Jews purely because they are Jews. You are pro-genocide since you want Israel wiped off the map. Do you want me to keep going?
truthforchrist 1 month ago
@truthforchrist If there is no arab race, then what race are arabs?! Arabs are a distinct ethnicity (race), they will tell you that, if you ask, which you haven't. And yes, I want you to keep going, I want you to quote me saying any of the things you claim I say, which you can not do. I never said any of that, but you have made many statements generalizing about arabs and palestinians and muslims, all of which is racism, and I can quote you, unlike you I'm not a liar.
n8glenn 1 month ago
1) murdering is done by both sides, yet you only seem to think Israel is guilty if it. 2) ethnic discrimination is done by the Palestinians, where as Israel is secular and gives all their citizens full and equal rights. 3) The Palestinians lie about history, Israel doesnt. Palestinian text books say the holocaust never happenes and that Palestinians are the "original inhabitants" of the land...those are 2 massive lies
truthforchrist 1 month ago
@truthforchrist 1) Slaves in the south murdered their masters, and masters routinely murdered slaves, maybe we can just say that both slaves and masters were guilty?! 2) Some black people are racist, does that make america's treatment of black people ok? 3) That's a racist statement, and I challenge you to produce these mythical textbooks, they don't exist. If they did, it would not be an excuse for being racist against palestinians, and israeli historians agree with me.
n8glenn 1 month ago
@truthforchrist You see, I never said that palestinians never killed anybody, or were angels, that's irrelevant. Jews in germany sometimes committed crimes, they were sometimes bigoted against gentiles, so what? Does that make it ok to kill them? Israel is the aggressor, and always has been, and the palestinians are powerless refugees who are being abused, and you support that abuse, proving that you either hate them or maybe just don't care about them at all.
n8glenn 1 month ago
Of the 2 of us, you were the only one who said that a group of people should be "pushed into the sea". You said that about the Jews, I never said that about the Palestinians. I have exposed another one of your many lies. I was correct...you won't admit that you are a hateful lieing bigot. I knew you wouldn't admit it. However, before today, my last reply was months ago. Why wait till now to reply?
truthforchrist 1 month ago
@truthforchrist Ha! That's funny. You "exposed" me by telling a lie you can't back up. If I said anybody should be pushed into the sea, then QUOTE ME! Tell me where and when I said that, and provide the quote, otherwise you're just a liar, exposing yourself as a fraud. Why do you hate palestinians so much that you support their victimization, dispossession, and destruction? Why do you think that I'm hateful if I don't hate the arab race?
n8glenn 1 month ago
@truthforchrist And, I replied to you today because I noticed that you had slandered me to some other person while telling incredibly preposterous lies about history in order to slander arabs and palestinians and justify their abuse.
n8glenn 1 month ago
@truthforchrist Tell me, "truth for christ", what does jesus think about racism, murdering people because of their race, ethnic discrimination, lying about history in order to make sure that children are abused and an entire society is systematically destroyed? Shouldn't you really be calling yourself "lies for the antichrist"?
n8glenn 1 month ago
I strongly agree with you , ( Egyptian eye )
nicefriend7000 1 month ago
Let's look at the facts. I support a stable Arab state...you want genocide for the Jews. I'm against the terrorist group hamas...you support them. I want peace in the region...you want all Jews to be killed
truthforchrist 1 month ago
@truthforchrist Bullshit. I do not want genocide for jews or for anybody, I do not support terrorist groups, neither hamas nor the IDF, and I do not just want pacification in the region, I want justice and true peace. You, on the other hand, want palestine and palestinians to be destroyed, subjegated, or expelled, you want them to be pacified by brute force, and you support terrorists, namely the IDF. If I want any of the things you claim, then quote me. Go ahead, I'll wait.
n8glenn 1 month ago
The difference between you and I is...I don't hate Arabs and I hope for a stable state of Palestine (not governed by the terrorists Hamas). You are a bigot and pro genocide since you hate Jews and want them "pushed into the sea" (as you said in one of your videos). You have been exposed. The best thing you can do now is admit you filled with hate, be a man and apologize. I doubt you will do it (but I've been wrong before)
truthforchrist 1 month ago
@truthforchrist You're lying about me. I said I liked the idea of fighter jets being pushed into the sea, you don't think that jews are fighter jets, do you? You hate arabs, because if you didn't, you would not ignore their suffering and support the state which abuses them. You might as well call me a bigot for opposing slavery in the south, and tell me I want white people pushed into the sea, and claim not to hate black people, while supporting the confederacy.
n8glenn 1 month ago
@truthforchrist Now, since you support a state which is based on race (dna to be exact) and you support israel attacking arabs but don't support arabs attacking israel even though they have far more of an excuse to do so by YOUR OWN DEFINITION OF WAR, and furthermore you hold the IDF to one standard and Hamas to another, based purely on race or maybe religion, you should admit you're a racist and apologize, but i doubt that will happen.
n8glenn 1 month ago
The straits were completely closed...which according to the UN and the treaties between Israel and Egypt, is an act of war. If Egypt had no intention to invade, the why did Naser say he was going to wipe Israel off the map? Why did he mass 100k troops on Israels boarder? I brought facts to this discussion, and you brought polemics and opinions. I beg you to keep replying so we can all see how much of a bigot you are
truthforchrist 1 month ago
@truthforchrist Don't you worry, I will keep busting up your arguments with facts. The fact is that israel is constantly talking about wiping palestine off the map, and the words of Naser are not an excuse to start a war. US intelligence determined that the arabs had no intention of attacking and if they did attack they would be immediately defeated. Those are the facts, now, if you want to call me a bigot for not hating arabs and supporting a racist state, you go right ahead!
n8glenn 1 month ago
@truthforchrist Btw, I noticed how you just ignored the fact that israel is by your definition waging war on gaza in order to whine about somebody saying something you don't like, as an excuse for war. I also noticed how you called me bigoted for not being a racist, which is funny. I think the fact that you're an anti-arab, anti-muslim racist makes you a racist, and my rejection of racism and race based states which discriminate based on race probably doesn't make me racist.
n8glenn 1 month ago
@truthforchrist And no, the straits weren't completely closed, ships were getting through, and israel was not having any difficulty at all getting goods. No difficulty at all. They were at leisure either to deal with egypt fairly or to attack them pretending that they posed a threat, they chose to attack because like I said, they saw an opportunity to grap land. You support that but I'm guessing you don't support hamas attacking israel even though they ARE fully blockaded.
n8glenn 1 month ago
thanks for this, much appretiated. tu and fav :)
PalestineATW 1 month ago
@PalestineATW Thank you for honoring my channel with your presence, warde :)
n8glenn 1 month ago
Historians agree that in 1967, Israel fired the first shot, but the Arabs started the war. This isn't debated among historians. Egypt massed 100k troops on Israels boarders and booted the UN peacekeepers. Also, Egypt closed the straits to Israeli shipping WHICH IS AN ACT OF WAR ACCORDING TO THE CHARTER. Thank you for publicly showing how uneducated you are
truthforchrist 1 month ago
@truthforchrist Egypt did not invade israel, and had no real intention of doing so, furthermore, they only partially closed the straits, which did not affect israel's ability to obtain goods. If that is an act of war to you, then clearly israel is waging war far more furiously on the civilian population of gaza, which is subject to a complete, crippling blockade, and has israeli troops on it's borders, who regularly murder farmers who are attempting to work their land in gaza.
n8glenn 1 month ago
@truthforchrist Btw, thank YOU for publicly showing how uneducated YOU are and what a complete hypocrite you are as well :)
n8glenn 1 month ago
There is no such thing as a "right to exist". countries either exist or they do not.
3beepu 4 months ago
extreme minority?!?! 69% of israelis support a palestinian state. i highly doubt these same people support israel's actions against palestinians.
froggymicwop 4 months ago
@froggymicwop I'm talking about the people who oppose the jewish state and wish to have a secular democracy where they live equally with palestinians (that's the only just solution). Those people are an extreme minority, those who wish to have a two state solution are of course in the majority, but that doesn't matter, the government isn't going to do that.
n8glenn 4 months ago
@n8glenn the government isn't going to have a secular, equal democracy either (though i agree, that is what they should do). at least the two state solution is better than what they have now.
froggymicwop 4 months ago
@froggymicwop Maybe, but even in the best case scenario it totally ignores the refugees, and leaves the likelyhood of more ethnic cleansing and violence.
n8glenn 4 months ago
Perhaps you forget the 1948 war. Israel defended its self. And if you condemn the British for giving away the land, then you had better condemn the ottoman empire since they took control of the land prior to the British. You would be a hypocrite if you didn't have the same opinion about the ottomans.
awesomeemperor 7 months ago 2
This is another purely anti-Israeli propaganda video. You neglect to mention that the Jews who lived in Israel when it was first created only fought in self defense AFTER 4 arab nations attacked them. Israel was part of the British Empire and the British basically gave the land to the Jews. There was no massacre to establish boarders.
awesomeemperor 7 months ago
@awesomeemperor This is a purely anti-human rights abuse, anti-ethnic cleansing propaganda video, I agree. Britain did not have the right to give away other people's land, or to decide for palestinians that they should be loaded on cattle cars and forcibly relocated so that an ethnically pure state could be created on their land, and yes, zionists did fight in self defense, in exactly the same way that white settlers fought and exterminated native americans in self defense.
n8glenn 7 months ago
@n8glenn
Oh please, cattle cars? There people go, calling Holocaust on the Palestinian refugee issue. You're blowing this into something really ugly. The Jews have a right to the land where they came from, because not only is it their birthright, its the only country where Jews are safe from non-Jews. Time and again through history, the Jews have been shown they cannot trust their neighbors who turn on them and libel them.
bariguy87 1 month ago
@bariguy87 No one has special rights because of their race, religion, or any other accident of birth. We are all born with exactly the same rights, and palestinians have just as much right to the land as anybody else. As for being safe, clearly germany, the US, and most other countries are far safer than israel, but no one is ever truly safe.
n8glenn 1 month ago
@n8glenn
Where did I say, kick out the Palestinians, that they aren't a people who are entitled to a country? Where did I say that? Safe in Germany and the US and other countries. Yeah, if you look back in history, things can change for Jewish people very quickly. They get blamed and scapegoated for everything. Israel is very safe, compared to what the news makes it seem and everyone still thinking there is a suicide bombing everyday. The Jews have been refugees in a sense for 2000 yrs
bariguy87 1 month ago