I mean, there are similar chord progressions in all music. I mean, you probably can't count how many blues bands have used the same exact G blues chord progression at least in one of their songs. Its just what ends up happening all the time in music
It is was weird - I always liked that Coldplay song...but I kept getting the familiar feeling that I had heard it before a bunch of places my whole life. Oh and don't forget about: Alizee - "J'en Ai Marre" The similarities are uncanny there as well...
No way did coldplay plagiarize. I mean sure the songs sound similar but there are tons of other songs that sound alot like coldplays that came out after there songs did.
Chord progressions can't be copyrighted...MELODIES can be, though. I think Cat Stevens (er, Yusef Islam is his name now) should sue the crap out of both Satch and Coldplay.
Wow guys. They have a similar chord progression. Come back and complain when you understand in-depth the concept of chord progressions, and can acknowledge the fact all pop is ripped off of classical stuff.
@Bigthingreg I hear classical stuff in popular music everywhere these days, and people think I'm crazy. These people also often tend to be the first to shout "THIEF!" and the last to shout the answer to any remedial music theory.
Unfortunately you need to add one more song to your list as Creaky Boards directly stole the song from Michael Greggory of the Greggory Brothers. (Check his video about it on youtube. He's not complaining so much as warning everyone to copyright their music.) And when you do it, please play the songs in the order they were originally recorded (meaning Cold Play's version last).
Some people used red... other white... and they composed great paintings. Since then everyone that uses the same colors is guilty. It's a joke, a lot of children playing!
Whoa... It's easier to compose a new work than stay listening all these things to compile. I think that these claiming people are sad cause they see what they could've done but they didn't. Ideas are everywhere just waiting to be captured.
Joe Satriani, Creaky Boards and Coldplay's songs sound way too similar for that to be a coincidence, and I thing that actually it is Coldplay who stole the 2 previous artists, and I would not be surprised if they have stolen more songs because its obvious that they listen to great artists and then probably they just copy the good rhythms and change them a little bit hoping that noone will ever notice :S
It's just a similar chord progression. Rock/pop music is simple and there are only so many progressions that can happen. I don't like Coldplay, but....this is just coincidental chord progression.
There are plenty of songs that sound so much alike but they aren't plagiarized. Take 'Not Over You' by Gavin DeGraw and 'Love Song' by Sara Bareilles. They are really close but not the same. How long has music been around? We can't make completely different music continually. It will end up close to the same eventually with every song.
its all been done before , that's why disagree with Joe for suing coldplay , cause it all sounds like cat Stevens to me , cat should sue all of them LOL
Honestly, theres a million songs out there that makes you think, hang on i've heard that before, and it does seem that only the successful songs by coldplay get picked on, theres a lot of songs that sound like coldplay...
'papa' by la fouine sounds like 'lost'
'empire state of mind' sounds like 'the scientist'
'when love takes over' sounds like 'clocks'
see, coldplay aren't the only ones who nick shit from other people...
I think this is a little ridiculous because like... i bet you if Viva La Vida wasn't a success people would'nt have said a word...just saying. I really love Coldplay :)
@ryno9292 No one unknowingly uses a 1 5 6 4, that's ridiculous. Chord progressions weren't even the topic of the lawsuit. Satriani sued over the melody.
I highly doubt that Chris Martin was listening to Joe Satriani, Cat Stevens, and/or Creaky boards when he wrote "Viva La Vida". They're not even in the same musical category.
throw in Spoon's You Got Yr. Cherry Bomb for good measure. it doesn't matter to me that this chord progression is used so much. there are some that are even more worn out, as many a comedian with a guitar will tell you (and, funny enough, it's a kind of bit that's also plagiarized endlessly). what matters in the end is that Coldplay suck, so whatever means you find to get people off their bandwagon, it's fine by me
Oh come on. If there's allowed to be a million clones of the "Don't Stop Believin'" chord progression, much of which are way more similar than these songs, then why should this be disallowed? You can't copyright a chord progression, and even then the melody and rhythm are relatively inspired and unique. I'm not even a Coldplay fan.
It's far from an exact melody rip like the Phantom of the Opera/Echoes theft. Considering all modern pop is based on the same 3 or 4 progressions, I don't care.
@JagarTharn12 I just called it the "Don't Stop Believin'" progression because that's the one it's the most famous for. It's probably been used dozens of times before and since.
i honestly feel that since there are only so many possibilities of possible chord progressions that actually sound good and that there are so many songs out there, a few are BOUND to sound the same.
@ihaveaturban calm down. i was defending them saying i didnt believe they were plagiarists. get your facts right and learn to spell before you explode on other people
I would never have heard of Joe Satriani if this similarity hadn't been pointed out- and I am really, really grateful that people did! His "version" of this chord progression is just awesome!
Some years ago I myself wrote a song and in less than two hours, I discovered that I'd ripped off a song I wrote ten years earlier. So I had to sue myself. I/We settled out of court.
I mean its a pretty good simple chord progression. I can see how it would show up at least a few times in popular music. I bet theres hundreds more out there that sound just as similar.
so what they have a simmilar melody? I think people have to get past the fact that the sound the same and just realize that the purpose of these songs are to entertain people not make them go crazy saying they ripped of satriani and creaky bord
Hold on, hold on. I'm a prehistoric caveman, and I clearly remember bashing together some rocks in a somewhat similar melody. Tut tut... yes, yes I am stroking my beard as I type this.
I hope that sounded cooler in your head than it does to read. It's pretty irrefutable that Coldplay's version sounds like Satriani's. I can understand if you can't pick up the similarities in the other two, but Satriani and Coldplay both have similar chord progressions to Steven's suite.
Better luck with your attempts at wit and humor in the future, love, and remember: comedy's not for everyone.
So, all those people basically copied each other? Because in case Cat Steven and Joe Satriani sue Coldplay... Cat Stevens still could sue Satriani for plagiarism.
This whole thing makes no sense.
Besides, why does everyone copy classical music and no one gives a damn? Because there's no money involved. Cat Stevens shows that he's a good man and such a gentleman not caring about that. That's music. Star Trek didn't sue Star Wars for the suspicious similarity between the concept of alien races.
@Ennio444 Stevens might have gone easy on Coldplay, but he wanted money out of the Flaming Lips because their song "Fight Test" sounded similar to "Father and Son." I read that Stevens is getting 75% of the royalties for their song.
w/ cats song i can see it being a coincidence/ inspiration. w/ joes downright joe should be compensated. creaky boards? c'mon they dropped the allegations for a reason. either way loose a little respect for coldplay.
I like all these songs and that there's def. similarity between Coldplay's song and the others just shows there's very little completely brand new things under the sun. I read Coldplay come out with a demo months b4 Creaky Board's song, so if a settlement was reached with Satriani and Creaky Board dropped their allegation and Cat Stevens is flattered then it's all good. A CS and Coldplay collaboration might be interesting.
Coldplay probably tried to copy this song but they suck so hard they could only do one part of it then just put a drumbeat that could played by quadripaligic polar bear. Coldplay SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKS!! Chris Martin and hid disgusting teeth can eat a pile of steaming Buffalo diharea shit
The thing all the geniuses miss is that the melody over the chord progression is what matters in court. Drum track doesn't matter, tempo doesn't matter, it is a question is the same melody played over a harmonically equivalent chord progression. If the melody and the chord progression are the same or virtually the same then there may in fact be infringement.
I can see how people who know nothing about music would think that this is "stealing a song", but I thinks it's the responsibility of people with musical intelligence to tell them to STFU! Joe Satriani sued Coldplay cause they had a lot of money, and who doesn't want money? However, I think he knows just as well as every other songwriter that this is not stealing. This is randomly selecting the same 3 notes. That's right - 3 f*cing notes, is what they have in common!
@NorthernRealmJackal haha you're right. I've heard of CP's song but not JS' song so I imagine he was upset their song succeeded as much as it did even though his has similar sounds but theirs is much more interesting to listen to.
@studiojtr, I'd also have to disagree. Melody is the most important thing in music, not the lyrics, or else it would just be reciting poems or literature.
Satch is the only one with a case. The other songs are too different. Satch's backing music and lead guitar melody are the same as the coldplay song. They ended up paying him around a million dollars, and he dropped the suit against them.
@evhman agreed. not only is the melody almost an exact plagiarism, but those other two songs don't have much in coomon except the progression (last one) and that one tiny part of the epic long song by the kitty cat stevens.
@evhman And it is my understanding that Joe donated the Money to a Charity so all the people carrying on about Joe just being after the money are full of it, he is already rich and still making more every day - Coldplay or not :)
I worked in a record store for many years. After a few of those years, I realized that music is basically recycled material; at some point, songs start sounding like something from before. No I am not old and "It all sounds the same so git off my lawn before I hit you with my cane" It's just years of music collecting and listening. It all comes back around. and sometimes it's too close to call. But plagiarism happens all too often. Does anyone remember Vanilla Ice?
@cinarol49 I think they actually settled that based on the change of two or three notes in the sequence he was using. OK for him and the song but not OK for musicianship and creativity, If he wanted to use that particular section and not seen as a fraud, he should have asked permission first. But as I said, music is always being recycled. Listen to something from now and you'll hear something very similar to the past. A lot of things happen this way. Have you noticed all the movie/TV remakes?
@strummer77clash I'm glad some people ask permission first before just taking stuff and I agree with those who say it can happen accidentally. In anything creative a person prolly has read or listened to or seen so much that by the time they create it often is a reflection of that which they've experienced. And I'm glad CP settled with the other artist.
ok so I've figured out...its a chain Joe Satriani plagiarised off of Cat Steven's and Creaky Boards/Coldplay both plagiarised Joe Satriani. Really don't focus on trying to find what's wrong with something, just listen. A real musician doesn't care who gets the credit, but rather is pleased that someone is able to express themselves through the musical template that they've created. Music evolves and changes, just like everything else.
@irishprincess8675309 true that but when there's a lot of money involved than ideals change but maybe it was purposeful maybe an accident but i agree music evolves and changes
Coldplay is a band full of musical geniuses who obviously offer something these other musicians who claim they copied them don't have. If it were just one artist claiming plagiarism then it may have been a little more believable. Not only that but why would they cheat when they've been constantly successful and brilliant, and the people who claim to have been cheated off of are relative nobodies in the music industry. Plus the melody is a simple one, which is bound to be repeated.
@frillybeamer i agree, but satch is a beast! juss wanna say that! second, only satch sued and his IS too similar, but no, i dont think coldplay intentionally copied. yur right, why whould they copy to make viva la vida when they have violet hill, fix you, the scientist, and in my place under there belt?!!........
I'm sorry, this is stupid. The beat to Viva la Vida is very, very simple and has probably been used hundreds of times. I mean think about it without any orchestra or anything. Just a simple drum beat, it's not that amazingly "unique". However, Coldplay took the simple beat and made it very different.
The first one I could see some similarities, but none of the others other then maybe a little bit of the same "duh, duh, duh, duhduh duh duhduh" and the chorus that has all those long notes.
I wrote all those songs in 1902. I put them all onto a special rotating disc recording device and deposited them into a bank vault. I then sent out letters to the musicians featured here with instructions on where to find my secret stash of music genius. I told them they were welcome to keep the intellectual property as their own, but never to fight any lawsuits. I then proceeded to eat my own head.
I'm a Coldplay Fan, also I'm muslim! I know Cat Stevens and Joe Satriani are wrong. But you cant say "Terrorist" to someone because of his/her choices.Also Islams word meaning is Peace. Please be careful about what you say!
@dirtyfunkeymonkey I'm a coldplay fan. Yusuf Islam and Joe Satriani is not right but You can't say "terrorist" to anybody because of his/her choices. Please dont forget that !
Theft progression from newest to oldest: Coldplay's "Vida La Viva->The Songs I Didn't Write by Creaky Boards-> If I Could Fly by Joe Satriani->Frances Limon by Enanites Verdes->Ding Dong Song by Gunther->J'en al Marre by Alizee->Hearts by Marty Balin->Love/Heaven by Cat Steven->Dirty Diaper Blues by Baby Cheeks. Which seems fitting because the whole thing stinks.
Dewality, what are you thinking? it's just because coldplay is more recent that they are being accused? You don't think Cat Stevens ripped of viva la vida 25 years before it was written, do you?
Huh? Since Coldplay's song sounds like the Cat Stevens song and the Satriani song, then the Cat Stevens song must sound like the Satriani song too, right? That's the point Dewality sought, I think... There certainly are some similarities between Cat Stevens' song and Coldplay but I wouldn't call that plagiarism. Then again the Satriani one could very well be plagiarism, but who knows? Well, I don't, at least.
I like how Coldplay is the one being accused of the plagiarism, when all of these songs sound alike. It's just because Coldplay is most famous and Viva la Vida is more recent than all of the others except for Creaky Boards that they are getting accused. It's a publicity stunt for the other guys. The only person that I don't think did it as a publicity stunt is Cat Stevens (I refuse to recognize him as Yusaf terrorist or whatever his name is now).
Is it me or does the creaky boards song title sound ironic or what. regardless the coldplay song sounds so much more together than the others. I don't see the plagarism.
"With so many artists around the world writing songs..isn't possible that some songs will sound alike like these do?"
If you knew more about music theory or cognitive science you'd understand that what constitutes music is not the individual pitches, timings, etc. but the pattern of the individual elements.
In the same way that an alphabet of 26 letters can produce almost an infinite combination of words which can produce almost an infinite combination of sentences.
my perspective is they sound similar, but you give me ANY song and i'm sure there's another with as much similarities as these 3 songs.
in my OPINION (don't thumb down for this) i would pick coldplay as my favorite, not saying they 'wrote' it first or anything. it might be the fact i've been an avid coldplay fan since like 5th or 6th grade.
Coldplay are innocent! Just because the chords were used before doesn't mean Coldplay had heard them! Just because the chords were used before doesn't mean Coldplay used them!
2. Cat Steven's has no plans of pressing charges or anything, because he doesn't give a damn. His son brought it to his attention that they sounded a lot alike and he agreed, but he says he sees how it could be a coincidence 'cause they're not THAT alike, and he doesn't think it even matters. He says he wants to meet Coldplay to talk to them about music. He also mentioned that if it is a takeoff of his song that he is flattered. And Joe Satriani's sounds exactly alike, but I see no need to sue.
1. Creaky Floorboards DEFINITELY didn't write it first because they claimed that Coldplay's singer was at their show in 2007 (because Coldplay didn't even seem to know who they were when they accused them). It was proven that he was in a different state at the time, and that the first draft of Viva had been written more than 6 months before
i like the coldplay song, its very touching but like many songs i strongly believe they are heavily sampled from previous hits. Singer/songwriters have to get their inspiration from somewhere and nobody likes to admit they conjured up a hit in a week by re-inventing the wheel
Jesus Christ, lawsuits these days. If this classifies as plagiarism, than EVERY SINGLE rap song and 'artist' (not gonna go further here, wrong topic, wrong time) should be having a sue-fest. Seriously, they just use the same music elements. Is it that hard to appreciate good music for what it is? No, if it sounds familiar, it's copied. Nope, no coincidence, it's copied. Geez.
faut vraiment etre fort pour faire un rapport entre cat stevens et coldplay cependant je préfère de loin cat stevens qui n'avait besoin que d'un piano et d'une guitare pour faire une musique intemporelle, sorry my english is horrible prefer speak in french
Je crois au contraire qu'il faut avoir une oreille peu musicale pour ne pas entendre la frappante ressemblance. C'est même assez invraisemblable, elle y ressemble plus que celle de satriani en tout cas.
Je ne comprends pas non plus en quoi faire une musique avec peu d'instrument est un plus (ni un moins d'ailleurs), qu'elle soit intemporelle ou non. Chacun son choix de timbre.
Well, they may sound the same, but the music is still fantastic.
There are only so many melodies and chord progressions in the world... we probably all are stealing a snippet here and there from some random song we heard or haven't heard.
I love all of these songs, for their own reasons. Do I care if one plagerised the other? Not really.
If Satch's claim had any real dignity to it, he would'nt have settled out of court where coldplay would be legally innocent of plagiarism by just paying satch to shut up. It just shows that satch didnt have much of a case or he only sued for his own profit
and satch ripped cat stevens. just cuz his isnt note for note doesnt mean he didnt get the idea from the cat stevens song. its the same fuckin thing. this is blown so far out of proportion its ridiculous.
As someone who also write songs I'd say they used similar chord progressions but this is definitely not plagiarism. There are a lot of songs that sound similar in certain parts because of the limited number of notes you can put into a chord to sound "in" if you're writing regular tonal pieces and not jazzy, crazy, out-there stuff.
agree very much so. i also write songs, and if you happen to be using a chord progression which is similar (which is fairly common) the possibility of you finding a melody that sounds similar is also possible. when youre trying to find that melody that sounds 'in' there is a chance you will sound similar to ONE of the millions of songs that exist in the world. the fact is, VIva la Vida is a well written, catchy, well arranged song.
Chord progressions are used over and over by many artists. Having the same chord progression is not plagiarism. You can't copyright a dam chord progression for fuck sakes.
Similar doesn't mean plagiarism. I see it with Satriani, but the others would have no case in court. Sure they're similar but that doesn't make them unoriginal.
WOW! coldplay did NOT do that on purspose. artists make simalar notes cosecutivley ALL the time. what about coldplays AWESOME past. NEVER once accused of plagarism. Now this madness. WAKE UP people.
coldplay never accused before ? they've been accused like100 times before but as chris martin said they try to steal so much stuff from many places so no one can trace it back to them. his own words
get your maths right. 32 beats per section and 12 notes per octave is 12^32 = 34,182,189,187,166,852,111,368,841,966,125,056 ~= 3.4 * 10^34 combinations, not 396. how did you even get 396? even if you did 12*32, that's 384.
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WWQueiroz 1 week ago
technically Joe Satriani stole from Cat Stevens
ricky102400 3 weeks ago
I mean, there are similar chord progressions in all music. I mean, you probably can't count how many blues bands have used the same exact G blues chord progression at least in one of their songs. Its just what ends up happening all the time in music
3028518 1 month ago
Liking the Satriani!!!
Mupje86 2 months ago
wow foreigner suite and viva la vida have really similar music, but their voices are really different
cpsrisri123 2 months ago
Cat Stevens/Yusuf Islam is KICKASS!
willscomix 2 months ago
It is was weird - I always liked that Coldplay song...but I kept getting the familiar feeling that I had heard it before a bunch of places my whole life. Oh and don't forget about: Alizee - "J'en Ai Marre" The similarities are uncanny there as well...
Xozona 2 months ago
No way did coldplay plagiarize. I mean sure the songs sound similar but there are tons of other songs that sound alot like coldplays that came out after there songs did.
xxColdplayxxx 2 months ago 2
Chord progressions can't be copyrighted...MELODIES can be, though. I think Cat Stevens (er, Yusef Islam is his name now) should sue the crap out of both Satch and Coldplay.
buukyak 3 months ago
Wow guys. They have a similar chord progression. Come back and complain when you understand in-depth the concept of chord progressions, and can acknowledge the fact all pop is ripped off of classical stuff.
Bigthingreg 3 months ago
@Bigthingreg I hear classical stuff in popular music everywhere these days, and people think I'm crazy. These people also often tend to be the first to shout "THIEF!" and the last to shout the answer to any remedial music theory.
enedving 2 months ago
the only thing thats similar between if i could fly and viva la vida is the chords. you can't copyright chords :-\
dramaticpickles 3 months ago
Unfortunately you need to add one more song to your list as Creaky Boards directly stole the song from Michael Greggory of the Greggory Brothers. (Check his video about it on youtube. He's not complaining so much as warning everyone to copyright their music.) And when you do it, please play the songs in the order they were originally recorded (meaning Cold Play's version last).
kdigiorgio 3 months ago
If all of the songs sound pretty similar, why didn't Cat Stevens sue Joe Satriani, or why didn't Joe Satriani sue Creaky Boards? Why Coldplay?
4myWong 3 months ago
@4myWong Because Coldplay isn't a washed up has been like the rest of them, and they're actually popular, and you know, make money.
BurrellRegan 3 months ago
Some people used red... other white... and they composed great paintings. Since then everyone that uses the same colors is guilty. It's a joke, a lot of children playing!
Whoa... It's easier to compose a new work than stay listening all these things to compile. I think that these claiming people are sad cause they see what they could've done but they didn't. Ideas are everywhere just waiting to be captured.
ThadeuACPaula 3 months ago
Joe Satriani, Creaky Boards and Coldplay's songs sound way too similar for that to be a coincidence, and I thing that actually it is Coldplay who stole the 2 previous artists, and I would not be surprised if they have stolen more songs because its obvious that they listen to great artists and then probably they just copy the good rhythms and change them a little bit hoping that noone will ever notice :S
rockwithutube 3 months ago
It's just a similar chord progression. Rock/pop music is simple and there are only so many progressions that can happen. I don't like Coldplay, but....this is just coincidental chord progression.
vgtheorist 3 months ago
There are plenty of songs that sound so much alike but they aren't plagiarized. Take 'Not Over You' by Gavin DeGraw and 'Love Song' by Sara Bareilles. They are really close but not the same. How long has music been around? We can't make completely different music continually. It will end up close to the same eventually with every song.
LightWithoutSun 3 months ago
its all been done before , that's why disagree with Joe for suing coldplay , cause it all sounds like cat Stevens to me , cat should sue all of them LOL
heavyfuelv2 3 months ago
Honestly, theres a million songs out there that makes you think, hang on i've heard that before, and it does seem that only the successful songs by coldplay get picked on, theres a lot of songs that sound like coldplay...
'papa' by la fouine sounds like 'lost'
'empire state of mind' sounds like 'the scientist'
'when love takes over' sounds like 'clocks'
see, coldplay aren't the only ones who nick shit from other people...
startrekwarsmixguy 3 months ago
im using this to teach 8th grade english students about plagiarism, haha. nice video
ooparasiempreoo 4 months ago
I think this is a little ridiculous because like... i bet you if Viva La Vida wasn't a success people would'nt have said a word...just saying. I really love Coldplay :)
dikeledi7 4 months ago
Hola. Te falta compararlas con "Francés limón" de los Enanitos Verdes.
patovank 4 months ago
every single song has at least one other song that has the same chord progression
so why don't yall calm the fuck DOWN
Carmelogrl 4 months ago
Look up "the four cord song" edumacate yourselves
ryno9292 5 months ago
@ryno9292 These are not the same chords as the ones used in the four chord song. Shut up and learn theory.
drone713 4 months ago
@drone713 Not the point dude. The point is that its not uncommon for artists to unknowingly use the same cord or arpeggio. ie. The four cord song.
ryno9292 4 months ago
@ryno9292 No one unknowingly uses a 1 5 6 4, that's ridiculous. Chord progressions weren't even the topic of the lawsuit. Satriani sued over the melody.
drone713 4 months ago
@ryno9292 Alright well 4 people did you jackoff
ryno9292 3 months ago
Who cares if they plagiarized? They're still shit and so is every song they supposedly stole from.
teknikenzo 5 months ago
@teknikenzo lol so true!
Estebanfuturo 5 months ago
I highly doubt that Chris Martin was listening to Joe Satriani, Cat Stevens, and/or Creaky boards when he wrote "Viva La Vida". They're not even in the same musical category.
145015ZTP 5 months ago
This is a case I call "The Father Ted Eurovision Song Contest Entry" Still I love Viva La Vida.
cHiKaDiNg58 6 months ago
throw in Spoon's You Got Yr. Cherry Bomb for good measure. it doesn't matter to me that this chord progression is used so much. there are some that are even more worn out, as many a comedian with a guitar will tell you (and, funny enough, it's a kind of bit that's also plagiarized endlessly). what matters in the end is that Coldplay suck, so whatever means you find to get people off their bandwagon, it's fine by me
teoferrazzi 6 months ago
throw in Spoon's You Got Yr. Cherry Bomb for good reason
teoferrazzi 6 months ago
It's called semi-intentional stealing. Name one brilliant artist in the history of men who hasn't done it and I'll give you a chocolate.
merkantillian 6 months ago
Oh come on. If there's allowed to be a million clones of the "Don't Stop Believin'" chord progression, much of which are way more similar than these songs, then why should this be disallowed? You can't copyright a chord progression, and even then the melody and rhythm are relatively inspired and unique. I'm not even a Coldplay fan.
It's far from an exact melody rip like the Phantom of the Opera/Echoes theft. Considering all modern pop is based on the same 3 or 4 progressions, I don't care.
MasterYumyums 6 months ago 5
@MasterYumyums Dont stop beleiving is a ripofff of princes "when you were mine"
JagarTharn12 6 months ago
@JagarTharn12 I just called it the "Don't Stop Believin'" progression because that's the one it's the most famous for. It's probably been used dozens of times before and since.
MasterYumyums 6 months ago
NEVER HONEST WORK, COLDPLAY
Donaldfossedal 6 months ago
What came first? The chicken or the first version of the chord progression.
john25992 6 months ago 2
alizee - j'ai en marre
volar 7 months ago
lets face it every single song that has been famous uses the same four chords, is it really suprising some sound the same?
startrekwarsmixguy 7 months ago
Dude, what the heck? I wrote this song!
Preevailer 7 months ago
You forgot Verde Limón, by argentinian band Los Enanitos Verdes
/watch?v=znrHzefl8cM
RogelioA 8 months ago
coldplay sucks dick and they arent even musicians, money grubbing hacks
TheNineinchsnails 8 months ago
i honestly feel that since there are only so many possibilities of possible chord progressions that actually sound good and that there are so many songs out there, a few are BOUND to sound the same.
nmbr1cub 9 months ago
@nmbr1cub You Dumb idiot. Coldplays better then you asswipe
ihaveaturban 8 months ago
@ihaveaturban calm down. i was defending them saying i didnt believe they were plagiarists. get your facts right and learn to spell before you explode on other people
nmbr1cub 8 months ago
@ihaveaturban Listening to Coldplay is a sign of not having testicles. They're worse than Linkin Park in terms of limpy music.
diosoth 8 months ago
still a good song. people need grow up
oobaby85 9 months ago
who gives a shit
falseinfinity 9 months ago
see what "Tony Carreira" do so
friendmaker 10 months ago
I would never have heard of Joe Satriani if this similarity hadn't been pointed out- and I am really, really grateful that people did! His "version" of this chord progression is just awesome!
Some years ago I myself wrote a song and in less than two hours, I discovered that I'd ripped off a song I wrote ten years earlier. So I had to sue myself. I/We settled out of court.
basilmcdonnell 10 months ago 35
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WWQueiroz 1 week ago
yah, coldplay stole it from cat stevens, anyone can see that.
9Babycutie9 10 months ago
all of the songs are not very good.
olliepajaro 10 months ago
whats next? justin bieber?!?!
TheGTASAMythHunter 11 months ago
I mean its a pretty good simple chord progression. I can see how it would show up at least a few times in popular music. I bet theres hundreds more out there that sound just as similar.
balaclavas2 11 months ago 2
so what they have a simmilar melody? I think people have to get past the fact that the sound the same and just realize that the purpose of these songs are to entertain people not make them go crazy saying they ripped of satriani and creaky bord
loverofmusic113 11 months ago
I wrote the song :( but no one believes me...
dannielpreto 11 months ago
@dannielpreto i do
JavCruz369 11 months ago
@JavCruz369 Then pass the word man, because well I'm working on some new stuff. A song about Clocks and such, I will call it Clocks...
dannielpreto 11 months ago
Hold on, hold on. I'm a prehistoric caveman, and I clearly remember bashing together some rocks in a somewhat similar melody. Tut tut... yes, yes I am stroking my beard as I type this.
jren207 11 months ago 39
@jren207
I hope that sounded cooler in your head than it does to read. It's pretty irrefutable that Coldplay's version sounds like Satriani's. I can understand if you can't pick up the similarities in the other two, but Satriani and Coldplay both have similar chord progressions to Steven's suite.
Better luck with your attempts at wit and humor in the future, love, and remember: comedy's not for everyone.
mapscannotcontainme 2 months ago
actually i was the one to use that sacred riff in 1936
nadeali1 1 year ago
Dudes. I wrote this song back in '92. Wtf.
larrybot3000 1 year ago
Yeah, Coldplay are intellectual property criminals.
zdkezios 1 year ago
its a bad song anyway ... 1:50 the singer looks like a retard
slh950 1 year ago
So, all those people basically copied each other? Because in case Cat Steven and Joe Satriani sue Coldplay... Cat Stevens still could sue Satriani for plagiarism.
This whole thing makes no sense.
Besides, why does everyone copy classical music and no one gives a damn? Because there's no money involved. Cat Stevens shows that he's a good man and such a gentleman not caring about that. That's music. Star Trek didn't sue Star Wars for the suspicious similarity between the concept of alien races.
Ennio444 1 year ago
@Ennio444 Stevens might have gone easy on Coldplay, but he wanted money out of the Flaming Lips because their song "Fight Test" sounded similar to "Father and Son." I read that Stevens is getting 75% of the royalties for their song.
MrJackolantern92 1 year ago
@Ennio444 trekky....
KramerW5150 1 year ago
Not at all, I don't like Star Trek, but it came first.
Ennio444 1 year ago
You should add We Left the Atmosphere by Michael Gregory
RockinUrSoks 1 year ago
You should add the one by Michael Gregory
RockinUrSoks 1 year ago
Joe Satriani already won against Coldplay in court. :) He deserved to win, but I still like both songs a lot!
Genmills 1 year ago
w/ cats song i can see it being a coincidence/ inspiration. w/ joes downright joe should be compensated. creaky boards? c'mon they dropped the allegations for a reason. either way loose a little respect for coldplay.
beniebrigade 1 year ago
There is such a fine line between inspiration and plagiarism. But Satriani's song sounds suspiciously similar. I think he deserves compensation.
rljohio 1 year ago
@Weissman33 so does that mean all songs should sound different? i imagine many of those combos would not sound very good.
luvsbuffgurls 1 year ago
@Weissman33 I just tried to make a similar comment above so thanks for explaining it in musical terms.
luvsbuffgurls 1 year ago
I like all these songs and that there's def. similarity between Coldplay's song and the others just shows there's very little completely brand new things under the sun. I read Coldplay come out with a demo months b4 Creaky Board's song, so if a settlement was reached with Satriani and Creaky Board dropped their allegation and Cat Stevens is flattered then it's all good. A CS and Coldplay collaboration might be interesting.
luvsbuffgurls 1 year ago
Chris Martin and that whole ColdPlay bunch should be rotting in prison right now....there's no justice in this world.
CurtisHalfHalf 1 year ago
@CurtisHalfHalf Retort!
Nouw001 1 year ago
there have also been people who sang viva la vida by coldplay
Matt9001000 1 year ago
Coldplay probably tried to copy this song but they suck so hard they could only do one part of it then just put a drumbeat that could played by quadripaligic polar bear. Coldplay SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKS!! Chris Martin and hid disgusting teeth can eat a pile of steaming Buffalo diharea shit
BjGard 1 year ago
@BjGard Thank you for your input. We all care about what you think and we all asked.
Nouw001 1 year ago
@studiojtr
So basically what you're saying is all instrumental bands can go fuck themselves? Also, come on, Bob Dylan?
Niekpas 1 year ago
This is the most cliche tune ever
Its not much of plagiarism lol
sikisikiamimis 1 year ago
It uses the same 4 chords so many other songs use.
hrdcrnwo 1 year ago
@studiojtr You just stated an opinion, you did not prove any point even if Bob shares your opinion. Lots of music does not have lyrics, lots. ;)
secretsaregood 1 year ago
The thing all the geniuses miss is that the melody over the chord progression is what matters in court. Drum track doesn't matter, tempo doesn't matter, it is a question is the same melody played over a harmonically equivalent chord progression. If the melody and the chord progression are the same or virtually the same then there may in fact be infringement.
secretsaregood 1 year ago
@secretsaregood thanks for the perspective.
luvsbuffgurls 1 year ago
I can see how people who know nothing about music would think that this is "stealing a song", but I thinks it's the responsibility of people with musical intelligence to tell them to STFU! Joe Satriani sued Coldplay cause they had a lot of money, and who doesn't want money? However, I think he knows just as well as every other songwriter that this is not stealing. This is randomly selecting the same 3 notes. That's right - 3 f*cing notes, is what they have in common!
NorthernRealmJackal 1 year ago
@NorthernRealmJackal haha you're right. I've heard of CP's song but not JS' song so I imagine he was upset their song succeeded as much as it did even though his has similar sounds but theirs is much more interesting to listen to.
luvsbuffgurls 1 year ago
The 4 songs SUCK!
michael21guns 1 year ago
@studiojtr, I'd also have to disagree. Melody is the most important thing in music, not the lyrics, or else it would just be reciting poems or literature.
Wyvern077 1 year ago
@studiojtr i disagree I listen to music to listen to the beauty of its melody, lyrics for me come after melody
theeffinblogger 1 year ago
@theeffinblogger i agree. there are no lyrics to classical music.
luvsbuffgurls 1 year ago
I would not link these songs, the older Cat Stevens one sounds awful...
Go Coldplay! Far better, best!
Neale888 1 year ago
Great minds think alike!!! So theyza rippedza off the Foreigner Suite!! Soundz a bit like a remarkable resemblence.
71KAZA1 1 year ago
Satch is the only one with a case. The other songs are too different. Satch's backing music and lead guitar melody are the same as the coldplay song. They ended up paying him around a million dollars, and he dropped the suit against them.
evhman 1 year ago
@evhman agreed. not only is the melody almost an exact plagiarism, but those other two songs don't have much in coomon except the progression (last one) and that one tiny part of the epic long song by the kitty cat stevens.
benhimovitz 1 year ago
@evhman And it is my understanding that Joe donated the Money to a Charity so all the people carrying on about Joe just being after the money are full of it, he is already rich and still making more every day - Coldplay or not :)
secretsaregood 1 year ago
So did these turds pay out?
repeatedattempt 1 year ago
I worked in a record store for many years. After a few of those years, I realized that music is basically recycled material; at some point, songs start sounding like something from before. No I am not old and "It all sounds the same so git off my lawn before I hit you with my cane" It's just years of music collecting and listening. It all comes back around. and sometimes it's too close to call. But plagiarism happens all too often. Does anyone remember Vanilla Ice?
strummer77clash 1 year ago
@strummer77clash umm, didnt vanilla ice ask queen and bowie for permission to use that bass? if not, then im sorry.
cinarol49 1 year ago
@cinarol49 I think they actually settled that based on the change of two or three notes in the sequence he was using. OK for him and the song but not OK for musicianship and creativity, If he wanted to use that particular section and not seen as a fraud, he should have asked permission first. But as I said, music is always being recycled. Listen to something from now and you'll hear something very similar to the past. A lot of things happen this way. Have you noticed all the movie/TV remakes?
strummer77clash 1 year ago
@strummer77clash I'm glad some people ask permission first before just taking stuff and I agree with those who say it can happen accidentally. In anything creative a person prolly has read or listened to or seen so much that by the time they create it often is a reflection of that which they've experienced. And I'm glad CP settled with the other artist.
luvsbuffgurls 1 year ago
Good Job!
francis25069 1 year ago
ok so I've figured out...its a chain Joe Satriani plagiarised off of Cat Steven's and Creaky Boards/Coldplay both plagiarised Joe Satriani. Really don't focus on trying to find what's wrong with something, just listen. A real musician doesn't care who gets the credit, but rather is pleased that someone is able to express themselves through the musical template that they've created. Music evolves and changes, just like everything else.
irishprincess8675309 1 year ago
@irishprincess8675309 true that but when there's a lot of money involved than ideals change but maybe it was purposeful maybe an accident but i agree music evolves and changes
luvsbuffgurls 1 year ago
Check Out J'en Ai Marre by Alizee. Exactly the same starting chord progression
JonathanAnon 1 year ago
Coldplay is a band full of musical geniuses who obviously offer something these other musicians who claim they copied them don't have. If it were just one artist claiming plagiarism then it may have been a little more believable. Not only that but why would they cheat when they've been constantly successful and brilliant, and the people who claim to have been cheated off of are relative nobodies in the music industry. Plus the melody is a simple one, which is bound to be repeated.
frillybeamer 1 year ago
@frillybeamer That's what I mean but everyone keeps bitching!
melovetorun 1 year ago
@frillybeamer i agree, but satch is a beast! juss wanna say that! second, only satch sued and his IS too similar, but no, i dont think coldplay intentionally copied. yur right, why whould they copy to make viva la vida when they have violet hill, fix you, the scientist, and in my place under there belt?!!........
cinarol49 1 year ago
@cinarol49 Because they ONLY have those songs, and Viva la vida was a major hit.
AnonimoABestia 1 year ago
I'm sorry, this is stupid. The beat to Viva la Vida is very, very simple and has probably been used hundreds of times. I mean think about it without any orchestra or anything. Just a simple drum beat, it's not that amazingly "unique". However, Coldplay took the simple beat and made it very different.
The first one I could see some similarities, but none of the others other then maybe a little bit of the same "duh, duh, duh, duhduh duh duhduh" and the chorus that has all those long notes.
WonderlandAudiobooks 1 year ago
i will admit though that the joe satriani song and the coldplay song are very very similar
enjoiorange 1 year ago
I wrote all those songs in 1902. I put them all onto a special rotating disc recording device and deposited them into a bank vault. I then sent out letters to the musicians featured here with instructions on where to find my secret stash of music genius. I told them they were welcome to keep the intellectual property as their own, but never to fight any lawsuits. I then proceeded to eat my own head.
Sugardrummer 1 year ago
@Sugardrummer Fucking new it.
MichaelGrah 1 year ago
@Sugardrummer You win.
BloopBloopProduction 1 year ago
you cannot compare all these shitty songs with coldplay come on people. just cause it has some similarity it does not mean plagiarism.
willymtf 1 year ago
I'm a Coldplay Fan, also I'm muslim! I know Cat Stevens and Joe Satriani are wrong. But you cant say "Terrorist" to someone because of his/her choices.Also Islams word meaning is Peace. Please be careful about what you say!
iboware 1 year ago
@iboware
Islam means submission.
utuebmakeustupid 1 year ago
@iboware Islam and all other theistic-religion is a joke. sad that people like you believe in stupid mythology.
SadisticAbductive 1 year ago
@SadisticAbductive "Islam" has nothing to do with this video, so keep it to yourself idiot. nobody cares.
SadisticAbductive 1 year ago
@dirtyfunkeymonkey I'm a coldplay fan. Yusuf Islam and Joe Satriani is not right but You can't say "terrorist" to anybody because of his/her choices. Please dont forget that !
iboware 1 year ago
Dewality - Yusaf terrorist... how ignorant are you...
dirtyfunkymonkey 1 year ago
Theft progression from newest to oldest: Coldplay's "Vida La Viva->The Songs I Didn't Write by Creaky Boards-> If I Could Fly by Joe Satriani->Frances Limon by Enanites Verdes->Ding Dong Song by Gunther->J'en al Marre by Alizee->Hearts by Marty Balin->Love/Heaven by Cat Steven->Dirty Diaper Blues by Baby Cheeks. Which seems fitting because the whole thing stinks.
orlock20 1 year ago
Compare Coldplay with Cat Stevens!!! ...is like comparing Take That with Rolling Stones or Back Street Boys with Beatles!!!
AliciaSoyYo 1 year ago
Backstreet Boys and the Beatles are both boy bands, what's weird about that?
notArtVideo 1 year ago 2
are you talking with irony? or you can´t see the diference ??? really??
AliciaSoyYo 1 year ago
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AliciaSoyYo 1 year ago
There are not many musical notes... It's bound to be some overlap
CuteBumbleBee4 2 years ago 2
Dewality, what are you thinking? it's just because coldplay is more recent that they are being accused? You don't think Cat Stevens ripped of viva la vida 25 years before it was written, do you?
ngdbud318 2 years ago
Huh? Since Coldplay's song sounds like the Cat Stevens song and the Satriani song, then the Cat Stevens song must sound like the Satriani song too, right? That's the point Dewality sought, I think... There certainly are some similarities between Cat Stevens' song and Coldplay but I wouldn't call that plagiarism. Then again the Satriani one could very well be plagiarism, but who knows? Well, I don't, at least.
Exotzibo 1 year ago
I like how Coldplay is the one being accused of the plagiarism, when all of these songs sound alike. It's just because Coldplay is most famous and Viva la Vida is more recent than all of the others except for Creaky Boards that they are getting accused. It's a publicity stunt for the other guys. The only person that I don't think did it as a publicity stunt is Cat Stevens (I refuse to recognize him as Yusaf terrorist or whatever his name is now).
Dewality 2 years ago
Is it me or does the creaky boards song title sound ironic or what. regardless the coldplay song sounds so much more together than the others. I don't see the plagarism.
greyfoxzero 2 years ago
With so many artists around the world writing songs..isn't possible that some songs will sound alike like these do?
The only thing that puts doubt in my mind is that Coldplay was accused of plagiarism more than once. A little odd.
mayieve 2 years ago
@mayieve
"With so many artists around the world writing songs..isn't possible that some songs will sound alike like these do?"
If you knew more about music theory or cognitive science you'd understand that what constitutes music is not the individual pitches, timings, etc. but the pattern of the individual elements.
In the same way that an alphabet of 26 letters can produce almost an infinite combination of words which can produce almost an infinite combination of sentences.
Joe22c 2 years ago
this coldplay song sounds more like alizée's "j'en ai marre" than anything in this vid
cimiv 2 years ago
my perspective is they sound similar, but you give me ANY song and i'm sure there's another with as much similarities as these 3 songs.
in my OPINION (don't thumb down for this) i would pick coldplay as my favorite, not saying they 'wrote' it first or anything. it might be the fact i've been an avid coldplay fan since like 5th or 6th grade.
-tm
ItsTylerMarie 2 years ago
Coldplay are innocent! Just because the chords were used before doesn't mean Coldplay had heard them! Just because the chords were used before doesn't mean Coldplay used them!
dragonair907 2 years ago
2. Cat Steven's has no plans of pressing charges or anything, because he doesn't give a damn. His son brought it to his attention that they sounded a lot alike and he agreed, but he says he sees how it could be a coincidence 'cause they're not THAT alike, and he doesn't think it even matters. He says he wants to meet Coldplay to talk to them about music. He also mentioned that if it is a takeoff of his song that he is flattered. And Joe Satriani's sounds exactly alike, but I see no need to sue.
Kuratako 2 years ago 17
@Kuratako Yeah, Wikipedia rocks
DjNorbax 1 year ago
1. Creaky Floorboards DEFINITELY didn't write it first because they claimed that Coldplay's singer was at their show in 2007 (because Coldplay didn't even seem to know who they were when they accused them). It was proven that he was in a different state at the time, and that the first draft of Viva had been written more than 6 months before
Kuratako 2 years ago 2
i like the coldplay song, its very touching but like many songs i strongly believe they are heavily sampled from previous hits. Singer/songwriters have to get their inspiration from somewhere and nobody likes to admit they conjured up a hit in a week by re-inventing the wheel
takewhole 2 years ago 2
You skipped Enanitos Verdes. It was five times 'written'....
caravaggio31 2 years ago
Jesus Christ, lawsuits these days. If this classifies as plagiarism, than EVERY SINGLE rap song and 'artist' (not gonna go further here, wrong topic, wrong time) should be having a sue-fest. Seriously, they just use the same music elements. Is it that hard to appreciate good music for what it is? No, if it sounds familiar, it's copied. Nope, no coincidence, it's copied. Geez.
TheTigerOne 2 years ago
what's wrong with being influence by the greatest singer and song writer in history
AxmedGurey 2 years ago
it's obvious that coldplay's viva la vida just sounds 100 times better, if copying art to art is difficult, then these guys are genius
flyinJJ 2 years ago
Just shows Coldplay's songs are derivative and sound like a hundred other songs we've already heard. Nothing we don't already know...
tristianity4u 2 years ago
Hey let's all sue each other for plagiarism that was probably accidental! xD
hoppimike 2 years ago
faut vraiment etre fort pour faire un rapport entre cat stevens et coldplay cependant je préfère de loin cat stevens qui n'avait besoin que d'un piano et d'une guitare pour faire une musique intemporelle, sorry my english is horrible prefer speak in french
kusmity 2 years ago
Je crois au contraire qu'il faut avoir une oreille peu musicale pour ne pas entendre la frappante ressemblance. C'est même assez invraisemblable, elle y ressemble plus que celle de satriani en tout cas.
Je ne comprends pas non plus en quoi faire une musique avec peu d'instrument est un plus (ni un moins d'ailleurs), qu'elle soit intemporelle ou non. Chacun son choix de timbre.
Erkyos 2 years ago
Well, they may sound the same, but the music is still fantastic.
There are only so many melodies and chord progressions in the world... we probably all are stealing a snippet here and there from some random song we heard or haven't heard.
I love all of these songs, for their own reasons. Do I care if one plagerised the other? Not really.
alternativememo 2 years ago
You don't care if people steal? You better lock your doors.
hallaelementary 2 years ago
Anybody ever notice that they totally stole the bells, drums, and strings from Disarm by the smashing pumpkins?
jirdimaster 2 years ago
If Satch's claim had any real dignity to it, he would'nt have settled out of court where coldplay would be legally innocent of plagiarism by just paying satch to shut up. It just shows that satch didnt have much of a case or he only sued for his own profit
crapo 2 years ago
Each song uses similar chords and structure. Joe's song sounds like the 'you are everything and everything is you,' from the group The Stylistics.
0181080 2 years ago
Hellsyeah they ripped Satch - and that's why CP just settled with him.
You know-it-all apologists can just deal with it.
"...entirely coincidental..." my ass. LOL!!
lilalex9 2 years ago
and satch ripped cat stevens. just cuz his isnt note for note doesnt mean he didnt get the idea from the cat stevens song. its the same fuckin thing. this is blown so far out of proportion its ridiculous.
mofocop187 2 years ago
Satch's one is the only close one to being plaigiarism.
xXWickedWazzaXx 2 years ago 2
As someone who also write songs I'd say they used similar chord progressions but this is definitely not plagiarism. There are a lot of songs that sound similar in certain parts because of the limited number of notes you can put into a chord to sound "in" if you're writing regular tonal pieces and not jazzy, crazy, out-there stuff.
kuryukoh3i 2 years ago
agree very much so. i also write songs, and if you happen to be using a chord progression which is similar (which is fairly common) the possibility of you finding a melody that sounds similar is also possible. when youre trying to find that melody that sounds 'in' there is a chance you will sound similar to ONE of the millions of songs that exist in the world. the fact is, VIva la Vida is a well written, catchy, well arranged song.
Usalation 2 years ago
Chord progressions are used over and over by many artists. Having the same chord progression is not plagiarism. You can't copyright a dam chord progression for fuck sakes.
Trojanmagnus 2 years ago
Similar doesn't mean plagiarism. I see it with Satriani, but the others would have no case in court. Sure they're similar but that doesn't make them unoriginal.
halvor311 2 years ago
It's not plagiarism, they all used similar chord progressions and those progressions which lead them to similar melodies.
Astbruchgefahr 2 years ago
Yeah. It's a tribute.
Rightio.
eezysqueezy 2 years ago
WOW! coldplay did NOT do that on purspose. artists make simalar notes cosecutivley ALL the time. what about coldplays AWESOME past. NEVER once accused of plagarism. Now this madness. WAKE UP people.
derek7200 2 years ago
see Computer Love by Kraftwerk vs. Talk by Coldplay
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AntiFascist18 2 years ago
coldplay never accused before ? they've been accused like100 times before but as chris martin said they try to steal so much stuff from many places so no one can trace it back to them. his own words
xxRockst4r 2 years ago 6
@xxRockst4r That was in jest, bro.
KingHobum 1 year ago
get your maths right. 32 beats per section and 12 notes per octave is 12^32 = 34,182,189,187,166,852,111,368,841,966,125,056 ~= 3.4 * 10^34 combinations, not 396. how did you even get 396? even if you did 12*32, that's 384.
infinity0x 2 years ago
Go search 4 Chords 36 songs on youtube, then come back whining about rip offs..
Southwind1989 2 years ago
if I could fly is pretty similar to viva la vida
the foreigner suite is kind of similar, but not quite
the last one is just pure bullshit, nowhere near viva la vida.
SirXander 2 years ago