even if our idea of god comes within our own minds, it does not necessarily follow that God does not exist. just putting that on the internets as a point of logic
When the biochemical brain closes down a new reality is experienced in a parallel body. Ironically, in the future, As the technology improves, Persinger's helmet will enable more people to experience alternate realities in parallel universes. You have to look beyond Persinger's experiments to understand the implications. No doubt, their conditioning are generating different interpretations but the subjects are clearly experiencing an alternate reality.
Persinger's experiments are simply closing down the biochemical brain so that the locus of awareness shifts to a parallel body. (The magnetic fields cause what are equivalent to temporary brain lesions.) Persinger is therefore proving (not disproving) that parallel bodies exist with his experiments and that we can sense presences (that are not currently measurable by scientific instruments) through these bodies when specific circuits in the biochemical brain are temporarily shut down.
@vjohn82 FAITH by dictionary definition is a belief, trust or reliance on someone or something. Every1 has faith in 1 form or other. If your belief is that God is a fairytale & that faith is immovable, why should I argue with you? My belief in the Bible is the foundation of my faith & that reliance allows me to make the statement already posted. Your questions have Biblical answers. They're not 1-liners responses, you will have to choose to seek them out
That merely proves that God is real & that you have accessed the physical access point on the human body that opens the door to humans for communication from the physcially seen realm to the spiritually unseen realm. For brilliant scientists you seem to be shockingly blind not to be able to come to this conclusion. But then if you admit to this then you will have no option but to admit that Intellegent Design is plausable & then you will 1 step closer to having to believe in God
@laverneangela Wow... who knew that the manipulation of the brain could be used by a religious nutjob to infer that we are merely unlocking parts of the brain accessible to god. We have to ask why such a vessel is deliberately closed in the first place (being "intelligently designed") and why the manipulation works on freaking out animals too. Anything else to add?
Emotions can be simulated. They dont really exist either everyone. You mad bro? no. no you're not. And on a not so trollish note. The logic that simulated religious experience disproves God would only hold water if an essential doctrine of Christianity was that God does not work through the physical world — our brains — but is confined to undetectable spiritual planes. This is not an essential doctrine of Christianity.
Sooo many morons and none of them realize that this is an experience we are having. Stop dismissing experiment because you hate christians. This has nothing at all to do with the bible. lay off you fucking wankers. don't you realize this disproves god as just EM ? You should be happy you fucking retards . Go promote science instead of acting worse than christians. oh and dawkins - what a fucking joke. stay away from that sharlatan.
this is utter FUCKING USELESS WORTHLESS SHIT TRASH PROPAGANDA. these are one of those """""tests"""""" that are so fucking unscientific with a question not being answered because of the use of magnetic fields on some ones brain gives them a sensation. what do you fucking expect? i believe religion is a tool of satan, and only truth of reality in Gods power is life, so many people are willing ignorant slaves stamped with a mindset, going in a trippy 'high' state, fuck this shit im smoking weed.
@poltergiest11 I see it this way: Humans are always either forming or joining groups. We all need to have some sort of uniformity, based on comradery. Onece we do this there's some spiritual based need, which really is based upon or dreams, hopes, aspirations, etc. People will NEVER all be united as ONE, you'll forever continue to see the " Us against THEM " attiudes which have either a faith-based doctrine, political, cultural, racial attitude behind therm. It proves evolution.
@gblueslover2 humans need to be with other humans, it isnt questioned, but there are those ferals that live. there was and still is a SPIRITUAL base in all tribes/people togetherness, because we are obvious Spirits living in bodies, with souls to have senses. people as a whole is naught. there is the elect of God that HAVE to have TRUTH, of LOVE of God, as the Bible shows us. the "us against them" mantality is actually created by evil, or lies, or misconception of what is good.
@poltergiest11 From the smallest microbes, to the largest creatures in the sea, all living things form groups & compete- It's obvious that doing THIS we can do many things against those whom are less than "OUR" numbers. It's way more effecient to work as a team- That's the dominant behavior of every living thing. If they cannot compete with brains they will compete with numbers.. Tried, tested and TRUE.
@gblueslover2 hi, what you are stating is that people change their beliefs to what ever Power, Authority is over them, and the mixing of places with others, it isnt new to me to call it 'evolution', it is human diving into self religion or global acceptance to one world order under a certain power evoultion. there is very different seperate meanings of the word, either to word use, or belief in theory use, im using the word "developmental process" as what all you say is the
@poltergiest11 No sir- they DO what 'SUITS" them, BECAUSE our inherent tribal survival inscints. This is obvious> There are many people whom are SINCERE about their beliefs, TRULY sincere, yet "completely" different than yours. < What about that ?
Are they going to HELL in YOUR opinion ? For instance- I'm a atheist, & I'm VERY sicere in my beliefs. Religion make zero sense. In fact, it PROVES we evolved. Get the ego in check, or be tribal and say " How dare you" I accept that 2.
@gblueslover2 bettering of mankind, but it is always become and always was not better by the beliefs of indoctrination, mystery babylon satan/evil/self as god worship. the idea that the weaker should be enialated and the 'team' you speak of is the exact idea of 'gettind rid of those we dont like' or those who say God is Christ, He know's His elect, you are not being one or are not one by believing in evolution theory religion. how dare you preach eliminate the ones you dont like.
@poltergiest11 There are religions of your same creed whom believe that YOU have got it all wrong, and whom "know" you are not believing nor practicing your faith in the correct way, method, style, etc. I & "They" (the many other faithful) say this with the same confidence that YOU may say that other sects, religions, belief structures are incorrect. Here's the thing- Humans are tribal, and ALL groups welcome larger membership, it's encouraged. Get the ego in check, youre tribal
@gblueslover2 cont..meaning, the mantality is showing those that have that mantality dont know the "other" mantality. of acceptance of everything done to us, to each other, that we do. NOT saying the mantality of 'acceptance of everything mantality', because with the God mantality it is to accept others by living and knowing from each other why we do, say, think the things we do, but to not accept THE TEN COMMANDMENTS be broken. those Ten are prety much the REAL, and ideal from God
@poltergiest11 Other religions would ALSO like to bring all " others" into their fold, because , obviously "their " way, form, style, "solidly: backed by their interpretation of their preffered doctrine. You've got to remember here, there WERE established religions BEFORE any "LEGION" you mention that was possibly First. And "first", actually means what RECORED, written history can bring forth. There is pre-history, which evidence to anthropology shows we formed religions TOO.
@gblueslover2 that is why it is a LIE of Satan to create "re-legions" or recreations of the True Legion, then can be created another belief you feel is better then The Other, or the 'us against them' attitude. that is what True Christianity is against, made up gods, ideals, doctrines, politics, CULTures, hate of looks, sounds, smells of others, etc. that proves Creation. that makes me question the actual understanding and reasoning of anyone proclaiming Christ is wrong. HE IS YHWH
@poltergiest11 But this have never stopped, there is NO historical evidence of the entire earth, continent, a region, a stae, city, town or community where there was and great amount of time, (let's say 100 years) where political, cultural, racial, ethnical, religion ever stayed the same- Dymanics of life are always changing- That's what evolution AUTOMATICALLY does- Change things. Trying to understand the laws of nature can be difficult, yet they are simple also.
@poltergiest11 I see it this way: Humans are always either forming or joining groups. We all need to have some sort of uniformity, based on comradery. Once we do this there's some spiritual-based need, which really is based upon or dreams, hopes, aspirations, etc. People will NEVER all be united as ONE, you'll forever continue to see the " Us against THEM " attiudes which have either a faith-based doctrine, political, cultural, racial attitudes behind them. It proves evolution !!
Like dreaming images, or astral scenery and impressions... All depends in the inner being, and his soul's contents, that is taking the mild stimulation... Persinger, speaking, seems a little bit exaggerating...
Granqvist's team later invalidated Persinger's helmet.
But the ultimate, logical, refutation of this nonsense is that neural correlates of a 'mystical experience' do not per se prove that such an experience is an illusion, as all experiences have neural correlates!
That is, it is as feasible that an actual 'God helmet' opened up the mind for such a true, veridical experience.
I write this as an atheist. Sloppy thinking helps no one's cause.
@Ontologistics I dunno, whenever I dream it seems real also. Do dreams relate to things spiritually, or am I just dreaming ? I'm convinced I'm just dreaming. If I started believing that my dreams were TRUE and / or REAL, I'd be in a nuthouse.
There's also been studies which show that when people PRAY they are using the same region of the brain as when they PRETEND. People need to dream, they need to pretend. We can't take away that need from anyone. IMHO, we need 2 deal with it.
@gblueslover2 hello im a born again child of Christ. to tell you the truth, PRAY/DREAM/THINK region of the brain of "PRETEND" is actually the thought creation area of the brain, the imagination, it is the think source. it is not 'pretend' only when it really is pretend. this happens in the hippocampus, where the neurons have a form that is 'mysteriously' manifested, to create a energy to those neurons passing all around the brain, back to the region again, it is called thought.
@gblueslover2 no one can say thought is created by man, because it isnt. it IS FORMED/MANIFESTED from God obviously, or 'from a different reality/dimension/universe then ours'. God did say He knows everything that we think, and He is in Control, that is why it brings us, true born again elect children of God, relief. that God is in Control of everything, of the thoughts, and yes, that means God controls what 'evil people' do, because God allows only what is needed. dreams..oh hehe
@gblueslover2 how i could explain dreams/dreaming/dream experience, is that it is like Inception of God's Life He gave us. it means that it is like a 'life' we live when we are 'sleeping/not living but refreshing mode'. it does not mean inception of life as in you are God and have everything you want you can do state, no it is the actual conscience power/will to "live" anything you imagine, or want to imagine, or have strange 'not wants, but happens' events in dream time. it is
@poltergiest11 And one last thing on this dreaming. Note again that I previously mentioned that I sometime note my pet (DOG) sleeping and can see her kick her legs, growl, whimper, etc. < ALL THIS, yet relgion doesn't care much to cover what ANIMALS THINK or GO TRHOUGH. Religious doctrines really care MORE about the PEOPLE, because people AUTHORED those doctrines. It's like the beliefs are "love animals" but not much more CONSIDERATION is GIVEN. Just another human tribal attribute
@gblueslover2 that is what Jesus is trying to tell you young 'gblueslover2'! that tribal means human instinct, so I as a child of God, from Jesus who died to save all who believed Him, is to live with ones you love, or able IF able to be with them, I love EVERY ONE, do you? what is wrong with you to not love, with my TRIBAL INSTINCT or the natural way or normal, is to LOVE EVERYONE, is it POSSIBLE to be with and share your love with them? a little, by working on the internet heheh. sorry you
@poltergiest11 "YOUNG gblueslover2" ? I'll bet I'm older than YOU. As in close to 60. So NOW that you're wrong, it "may" be time for you to change gears. Did Jesus "tell you" I was YOUNG ? lol. I don't LOVE everyone, as in that is a impossible feat. You may "believe" you love everyone, but that's just an ACT, your, self-righteous " Love everyone mantra". I respect your right to believe as you wish . However-Your religious competition are the ONES u should be watching!
@gblueslover2 didnt realize it yet, that YOU and this video, and those who believe "so muuuuch" in a no god, you are god, satan is god complex, God DID SAY IN THE BIBLE satan is the god of this earth, so GOD REASSURES US, YOU KNOW GOOD AND EVIL, CHOOSE TO DO GOOD, CHOOSE ME, GOD, LOVE, TRUTH, JESUS CHRIST. you believe you have to die because you are Jesus/God, dont you? but no, you are only human/sinner, why do you believe your not of God's so much? i am of I Am/God, you tell me
@poltergiest11 I am a "god"..? Man YOU are "out there" buddy.
Obviously, you " need " your "Legion" to be a good person right ? Otherwise you'd be a criminal maybe, huh ? I am OF MYSELF, just another being living on this planet. On a personal level, I don't drink, drug or have a criminal record.
And I DID IT ALL without a legion. a re-legion, or god.
@gblueslover2 all that is very obvious to a Christian, but i dont believe in the lie you do, that religion has all the same doctrine, they have all the same ASPECT of the CHRIST LIKE / CHRISTIAN BIBLE, the bibles, the christs of those religions beliefs, that is why you believe NOT IN JESUS SO MUCH, sorry should i say Yeshuah in Hebrew for you? you know who im talkin about, stop believing in RElegion, i believe in THE LEGION, or I AM OF THE LEGION/ELECT, I WORSHIP GOD, NOT SATAN!paz
@poltergiest11 Calling me a LIAR, yet you LOVE everyone ? Thank YOU for that, as you have PROVEN my point that all humans are TRIBAL. HOW I act, YOU act, & everyone ELSE on this earth continues on proving that. Your religious competition, KNOWS you are believing in the wrong WAY, as you KNOW they are wrong too. I'll bet u cannot FOCUS on this fact, but rather only consider YOUR "way" as the correct method. Let's SEE you go into a Mosque or a Synagogue & convince them of YOUR way.
@gblueslover2 a dream, but it is a wonderful experience, a gift of the chance to use your 'will/mind/thinking/imagination' to experience/live/feel/go through, in your sleeping time period. it is a state of being that many take WAY OUT OF GRANTED. dont be deceived into thinking we are gods for this ability. it is like an experience in another 'reality', only created by you, consciencesly [lucid], or unconsciencly [unknowing particapant of whatever is given]. so i hope this helps!paz
Dawkins used the helmet and did not have the experiences described in this video. There's actually a lot of criticism out there to be found on this subject.
It does appear though that the use of the helmet did have some positive effects on helping people who were dealing with depression.
The helmet's supposed results were in the range of 80% having some sort of reaction, but NDEs are at a much lower rate. This helmet does not dismiss NDEs, and a lot of skeptics agree.
Also I keep hearing that this experience is the brain's way of helping the person cope with death by giving them a sense of ease. Then why on earth do some people have hell-like experiences? To me that is quite the opposite of putting a mind at ease.
If 75-85% of the U.S. is religious, but only 15% of people that come close to death have NDEs; what happens to the other 60-70% of the believers? Why don't they have the experience? If this is something that is induced by brain chemicals as a coping mechanism, does that mean the 60-70% that experience nothing have a defective brain?
What about atheists that report such experiences? Does that mean they revert all the way back to their childhood for their coping mechanism?
While I'm an atheist myself, I'll have to agree with those who say this helmet does not disprove "spiritual" in any way. By stimulating certain parts of the brains we can perceve smells we know. Does it mean those smells don't exist in the real world? Obviosly no.
It could make us more receptive to something that is already there, quoting an anonymous a "contact lense for the third eye".
THIS HELMET DOES NOT DISPROVE GOD or any kind of religious vision, for if it is possible for God to reveal himself through an experience like this, then the potential for one to receive that experience exists within the person themself.
@mathieucameron why doesnt god just reveal himself through other means? if he can do anything, why the fuck doesnt he just reaveal himself physically like jesus so supposingly did 2000 or so years ago?
The interesting part is how he only uses the study on religious people. He failed to use it on those who are non-religious. I promise you that you can create any type of feeling by stimulating the brain. Afterall, thats how we get those feelings.
Fucking Atheists. Fucking Christians. Fucking Catholics. Fucking Jews. Fucking Muslims. Fucking Agnostics. Fuck all of you dumb fucks who believe in religion. God is real. Religion is what makes you all think you know everything. Dumb mother fuckers.
I'm an atheist, as if it weren't blatantly obvious via my comments. Telling a person dealing with depression that depression is nothing may not be the most competent thing I've heard from anyone. What do you think me saying I've been through the gamut of treatment meant? I've tried all of what you listed. Wellbutrin being the only effective treatment with the more than slightly unpleasant side effect of atrial fibrillation.
@JuanIII allright but at least you found some drug that works, even though it has side-effects at the moment. I'm confident that science will come up with an improved version in the future. Progress is also what science is about. Progress, Evolution, etc. You do trust science, right? ;) Else a person can't really be a true atheist if they've doubts about it. Either you're with us, or you're with *them*.
As for the experiment, just because running some electricity through that part *may* have some effect on depression (merely psychological perhaps? they see Gawd, so they feel better) doesn't prove much. There have been similar effects by stimulating other parts of the brain, electro-therapy is still relatively crude at the moment. So my initial statement still stands.
So, this doucebag claims to find something by applying <0,005 tesla (fridge magnet equivalent) , while every larger hospital applies 3 tesla on a hourly basis (mri) and up to 7-9 tesla (high res functional mri) are being used in science for scanning living biology, without noticing anything similar. therefore bullshit.
@Kriegar1964 A believer in some imaginary god, behaving the way you are is to be expected. Then he adds in a "for real",,, seriously, I am as real as a man can be. I do not let the lies of parasites confuse me into thinking some big guy in a big chair as it all under control.
"refer to me as a "critter", but being the scumbag partaker of fellatio that you are, take a fat gulp of spermatazoa and BLOW ME."
Creation = critters yuh moronic punk. No you never insulted anyone.
Cont:. So which christian bent do you claim Mr. Moronic, is it the 'turn the cheek' or the 'forgiveness' brand,, or is it my god or I'll damn you to eternity type of faith you hold so dear.
Serious, go blow you??? What would your god say to you about that one remark,,, and who is it you are calling childish. You behave like the typical Phelps clan.
So your god is make believe, why attack the informer, does it mean you are a wasted life cheerleading for nothing? Yes Sam it does.
First of all, I did not say I was, nor do I find it germane to the discussion. Secondly, why do you complain of the very "childish" behavior that you yourself exhibit?
What is this repeated reference you make to "your god"? Pick up the intellectual pace Perseus.
You, as a matter of fact, are certainly in no way conceivable " as real as a man can be". In fact, you are rather unreal. Nor can you follow the simplest of lines of thought or conversation. I have told you repeatedly that I never claimed an adherence to a particular religious belief. What I do, and as I have said repeatedly, is that I believe in the right to believe as you wish. Try to keep up.
@Kotlettbengt idiot that only means that god exists in your head, meaning he is not real he is just your imagination, stupid cunt, hes there in heaven jacking off to his angels, the feeling that you have that god exists when you wear the helmet its just your brain fucked up from the magnetic waves, visions of god or satan or whatever are not real, don't you get it stupid
@Thegoodlol What the fuck??? I'm an ATHEIST you stupid idiot!!! That's why I said "Take that, theists!" And let me make things clear, I don't accept anyone calling me a CUNT, ok scum??? Yes, I DO get it, I am very well aware that there is no such thing as demons, too bad you weren't smart enough to grasp that simple comment of mine.
@Kotlettbengt WOW you both are quite reactionary. I've witness this before and normally indicated a lack of positional belief. Yet I think Thegoodlol you need not worry about ones belief by surround yourself with like minded folks and stop freaking out.
The only problem I have with this vid is why didn't they provide some links to those who participated or why not give us some idea who funded the research or even where does the researcher stand on the after life? I personally see a leftist.
Cunt. Really? So, if you wear this helmet, and chocolate tastes like strawberry, or sandpaper feels like silk, this is also because they are? Think outside the box between your ears, dude.
@Kriegar1964 The fact that you begin your comment by calling me a cunt is devastating to your case, not to mention the idiocy of the comment. Go fuck yourself.
This can get people out of comas! So here's how it works *dramatic music starts* a person in a coma is in a dream... right? So if we connect the God helmet to him, and he's sucked into another dream, without him noticing, he can have a dream within a dream. This is the 2nd dream state, by the 3rd he'll know for sure he's in a coma. So then we give him a kick in the real world, in the 2nd dream, and the 3rd so he can wake up for sure! GENIUS! *dramatic music ends*
The experiment proves nothing. You could replicate any sensation by stimulating the brain, that does not mean physical experience is not true. For instance, if you stimulated parts of the brain you could produce the sense of being burnt. Does that mean if you stick your hand over a flame, you aren't really being burnt? It's interesting, no doubt, but as always you cannot prove a negative.
I am glad that science is finally proving what we have been saying all along.. Man is capable of interpreting Gods intention. Made in his image, we are, on a microcosmic level, God. God has always dealt with the universe in a mathematical way and not some miraculous, spooky way that some prefer us to believe.
Makes ME wonder what this 5 gig cell phone tower IPADTechnology is all about, Goldman Sachs Robbing/STEALING The the American Tax Payer Backing an Un-Just 'Occupation' of a War/Multiple WARS of 'UNCONSTITUTIONAL/TREASONOUS' Executive Order, WITH HALLIBURTON, , , DEEP-WATER HORIZON, , , WORLD-AMERICAN-PETRODOLLAR??, , , B.P., , , HALLIBURTON huuum, , , I.M.F., , , UN-FEDERAL RESERVE? Thought We the People Lived in a Constitutional Democracy when it came to sending our Youth to BATTLE for WHO? BP?
Your not proving these things are not real you are in fact proving that they are...The mind is a door and you are allowing people to open it and peer inside to see what is going on. This is what you are mistaking..I like your work though!
@jspecaspec23 You said what I was thinking. Our perception of reality has to do with the workings of the brain. If we tinker around enough, we open doors that eventually will be opened through experience. Nature provides us with a key to open the door. We should not just kick down the door before we are ready, such as with drugs, because we need to develop patience and other virtues, as well as scientific knowledge. It is vain to assume that we know all there is to know.
The good Dr is confused. The very fact that you send the same amount of stigma to a person and they do not produce the same exact results means that what they are experiencing is real and not just a hallucination otherwise you could form a formula to no matter who the person is or how they are to react the same way each time to your dose. Like a pill thats mas produced. Dr you are un locking the brain in sensory deprivation and giving it the muscle needed to really expand into other realities.
And how exactly would he be sadly mistaken? Have you tried his experiment? What factual knowledge do you have other then what you THINK you know that explains otherwise? It still boggles my mind how so many people say they KNOW this and that but yet really dont. There are so many things in this world and universe that we couldnt possibly know and here you are claiming that without a doubt you KNOW that this person is mistaken. Talk about clueless
@McBright80 i've tried everything on this sorry ass planet of satans excrement you call Earth, and I stand by my remarks. What the God Helmet give is an electromagneticly induced drugtrip. No more, no less. I could include the "science" behind my remarks, but not in a 500 character limited discussion thread. For that you'll have to meet me, i'll buy the beer and we'll have an 8-14 hour long conversation on the subject. That should be enough to explain at least the basics of it all.
Actually, the God helmet does not produce or reproduce the logic and eloquence revealed in the Holy Writings of the past, whether from Jesus, Muhammad, and more recently, Baha'u'llah.
It "tickles" the receptors within the brain which activate mental images and emotions, which does not invalidate the existence of that which normally produces such.
Close your eyes, place your fingers upon your eyelids with slight pressure, and light appears, even in a dark room. The sun still exists...
There is very little logic and eloquence in those so called "holy" writings, I've read works of men not written "by god" with more logic and eloquence within them. Yeah sure the Sun still exists when you close your eyes, but that doesn't invalidate the existence of pixies.
@TurboDally View Bahai dot org "And now, concerning thy question regarding the creation of man. Know thou that all men have been created in the nature made by God, the Guardian, the Self-Subsisting. Unto each one hath been prescribed a pre-ordained measure, as decreed in God's mighty and guarded Tablets. All that which ye potentially possess can, however, be manifested only as a result of your own volition. Your own acts testify to this truth." Gleanings from the Writings of Baha'u'llah
@TurboDally "O Son of Spirit! The best beloved of all things in My sight is Justice. Turn not away therefrom if thou desirest Me, and neglect it not that I may confide in thee. By its aid thou shalt see with thine own eyes and not the eyes of others, and shalt know of thine own knowledge and not the knowledge of thy neighbor. Ponder this in thy hear, how it behooveth thee to be. Verily Justice is My gift to thee, and the sign of My loving kindness. Set it then before thine eyes." Bahaullah
@dirtydonki Oh I don't know about that. It's far more reasonable to think that people that report these experiences are schizophrenic, or were drugged, or were willingly taking drugs. It only proves that the parts of the brain needed to perceive and process the sensory effects of such experiences are operational. I've never heard of a shaman sticking a big magnet next to his brain. It's, yet again, another atheist who was probably butt raped trying desperately to prove a negative.
This is your tax dollars at work folks. What is to be gained in society by proving, or attempting to prove cause you never will fully prove a negative, that spiritual experiences take place ... wait for it ... in the brain. You know, where you think ... This really borders on pseudo science. From a positivist point of view it proves nothing other than that his helmet makes you experience weird things. Collect the data in real world situations and I'd be impressed.
@dirtydonki sposobnost za okuse nema vrijednosti dok se ne okusi nešto... Što god bilo u čijoj glavi ipak se uglavnom događaju iste stvari, a neki mogu osjećati i činiti više (bioenergija)...
@dirtydonki Merely because something happens in the head and can be manipulated does not mean it's entirely untrustworthy. Sight is also in your head and can be manipulated in the exact same way that religious experiences can. Does that imply sight is a delusion?
@mdbreda If you want to say sight is a delusion, go ahead. Nobody will agree with you, though, because it's nonsensical to call sight a delusion. Sight is a sense, and senses do not fit the definition of a delusion. Sight transmits to us information about the real world.
@HannuMarijarvi There are so many optical illusions that trick our sense of sight it's honestly not even worth arguing about. Our brain is tricked by sight just as our brain is tricked by the sensation of a god. What makes us human is that our brain is able to make assumptions about the world around us and many times those assumptions are incorrect. This is the essence of human error and is what makes us who we are.
@mdbreda This is not what I said. I said that merely because we have identified that a sensation in the brain does not mean it's entirely untrustworthy. Any sense can be manipulated, but that doesn't imply that therefore there's nothing to sense.
A lot of people here in this comments-section seem to think this research disproves the idea of the spiritual. Yet nobody would say the fact that sight can be manipulated in laboratory-conditions disproves the existence of the optical.
Respond to this video... here's a website that showcases many of these optical illusions kids.niehs.nih.gov/illusion/illusions .htm .... it's made for children :D
But this experiment's only a small step in the right direction. It should serve some useful purpose now, and it's about f-ing time. In particular we should turn to eugenics so as to remove this useless part of the brain, for the improvement of future generations - the improvement of mankind :)
Who's to say that part of the brain is useless. The God helmet has been shown to be an effective treatment for depression and seizures. If you remove that part of the brain what happens then? Not only have you removed what can be used as an effective treatment for depression, but who knows what the results will be. I'm fairly certain most everyone has this part of the brain intact; it is not the cause for religiosity. A biologically induced lobotomy is not the answer.
@JuanIII "Who's to say"? How about SCIENCE? This experiment proves that god is an illusion, so anything causing this illusion is not only useless but also nefarious - an insult to science. It's as effective on depression as weed (except the latter at least is real).
The only way to assert superioty of man over god, science over religion, is via Eugenics. This evolutionary mistake must be fixed ASAP. This wouldn't be a "lobotomy", it'd be an upgrade. We'd be giving evolution a nudge that's all.
@JuanIII By the way there are already effective & *proven* treatments for depression & seizures (even natural harmless ones).
As for what would happen if that part o the brain were removed - well look at Richard Dawkins, he's doing fine without it (he tried the helmet experiment too, and failed. Or rather, he passed brilliantly, from a logical point of view anyway)
He probably still experienced the physical effects the helmet induces. His ability to reason is what came out on top. There are very few effective treatments for depression. I know because I deal with it, and I have been through the gamut of treatment. Parts of the brain like this may be vital to other worthwhile functions. But yes, it is unfortunate it may have strong ties to the persistence of many stubborn individuals who clinging to a religious mentality.
@JuanIII He experienced some tingling, big deal, any part of the brain would result in same effect (ask those who been through electroshock therapy! )
And no this part aint vital, its proven here that it's useless AND dangerous. It causes religion, and religion can potentially undermine the authority of the State, our job would be easier without religion. People should fear the State, the authorities, not some invisible man in the sky. That's why it must be eliminated through eugenics.
@JuanIII also depression is the least of problems compared to real illnesses anyway. And yes there ARE treatments for it, that's what psychologists are for, plus there's prozac, valium, and even natural plants if you don't like meds.
You dont need religion (or pseudo-religion) for health care. Trust reason. Trust SCIENCE.
When a person takes up science as a greater cause, that person must be careful to avoid using science as a substitute for religion. It seems like you fail to recognize that entirely. Science is about evidence, not claims to absolute knowledge about how everything works simply because SCIENCE! I doubt that part of the brain is absent in me, yet I'm still an individual that believes in rationality. Which for me, starts with expanding the mind, not removing parts of it.
@JuanIII Exactly - and "expanding the mind" also means doing away with anything that hinders it. Removing the wrong & useless parts (like this one, as the experiment clearly shows - since we're talking about 'evidence') and favoring the right parts. Just like science discards false theories and focuses on correct ones. A theory is either Correct or False. But that doesn't justify comparing science to religion. The former uses logic & reason, the latter uses, well, nothing except dogma.
@UltraJudgeDredd Though I'd agree with you, I think you missed the part where they said that the temporal lobes are also used in creativity, motion, and fantasy. To remove this part of the brain could, essentially, make everyone substantially less creative. Thus its likely there there will be no more new music, no more new drawings, no more new non-fiction books, etc. Though I'm a "science geek", I seriously doubt I'd enjoy a world without those branches of creativity.
@christianpunk20 uh "used" but to what extent? this isn't the "creativity" part of the brain, it's simply the "madness" part of it, and can be done without. Dr Persionger is clear on this.
BUT if this vid ain't enough to convince you - perhaps you may not know that Richard Dawkins himself proved completely unreceptive to this experiment. Would you suggest that Dr Dawkins lacks creativity & artistic taste?
@UltraJudgeDredd Think you misunderstood my comment, bud. 1. I wasn't trying to argue with you. (Arguing over the internet is just silly.) I was actually agreeing with you, just tossing in a thought. 2. I don't know to what extent that part contributes to anything. Hints the "could" in my statement. It *could* cause substantial loss. Not saying it will. 3. I already know they tested this on Mr. Dawkins, and there was no effect. ... I was just speculating what might be lost if it is cut out.
Assuming your not a troll, I think it's overboard to think we should get rid a part of the brain that allows us to imagine things. Perhaps it's more necessary than what some people assume it to be.
@dirtydonki This does.nt mean they are all delusions, it may mean that only certain parts of the brain can perceive the infinite or god if there is such a thing, other dimensions, etc. What if the right temperal lope can perceive something that our other senses can,t? Just a thought
@dirtydonki Persinger's findings regarding the effects of environmental geomagnetic activity have, to date, not been independently replicated. One published attempt to create a feeling of a "sensed presence" using an EM- and ultrasound-based "haunted room" instead of a God Helmet, found that reports of unusual experiences were uncorrelated with the presence or absence of "complex" environmental eletromagnetic fields similar to Persinger's.
@MorpheusOmikron Clutch at straws all you like. We humans only think we are something special when in the grand scheme of things we don't even register as of any significance whatsoever.
As for idiot? You just can't let it go can you & by stating "NDE's that happened after total brain death" you demonstrate your failure to comprehend the meaning of your own statement. There is no coming back from total brain death making your comment stupid in the extreme & exposing you as the real idiot here.
You couldn't compute the grand scheme of things if you tried. Evidence of it's nature is thrown at you over and over again but you're brain washed by your religious materialistic dogma.
And yes, people HAVE come back from brain death. People HAVE come back from the brain ceasing to function, and NDE's have been observed.
Lies only take you so far, dirty. You will face God whether you like that idea or not.
I said things that were so stupid sounding to you, that you took it as a nail in the coffin of my stupidity.
Actually, it was a nail in the coffin that I am simply diametrically opposed to your entire world-frame. You're going to find out very quickly you were living in a castle made of lies, Dirty. And lies do not last forever.
Goodbye. No more discourse past the point will be had.
if you tell a lot of people who want to get high that this "god helmet" is the "smashin awesome bong helmet" Will the same percentage of people have ecstatic feelings and hallucinations?
For the believers in ghosts and fairies, do think that the highest form of life on an imaginary evolutionary scale would be the first form of life to just pop up out of no where as some god? You accept that version but you can't imagine our version of life appearing here through some other means like evolution from goo or panspermia? Keeping it simple Students, eliminate the middleman and you will be better off. God creating other gods that then created you is a BS cycle of deceipt.
The biggest joke here in Germany is that all the snitchers of the BND, the ex GESTAPO are pushing far away the possibility that these techniques may be used against themselves too.
No, not me, I am part of the system, they never would to this with me.
A clever idea to silence someone before brainwashing.
You spend an awful lot of time aiming nonsensical remarks at someone who is not conversing with you. Frankly, as best as I can tell, what you need is a good dose of STFU. I do not care what you think-at all. However, I care that you have a right to think whatever you wish, and that you ought to shut the hell up and let others do so as well. You're infantile attempts at irritating me show both your lack of maturity, and your lack of intelligence. Argue with someone who cares.
What a perfidious attempt at explaining the Mystical experience, claiming he can reproduce this state through a series of magnetic pulses. Reductionist to the core and materialist points of view lead to no insight.
Does he go on to say, 'those without a religious life today also feel the same spiritual effect?' He states, those with a "temporal lobe *sensitivity* or creativity and who are very religious". That last part is the key to these subjects feeling this god presence. Does it not effect those that are not creative but are religious the same? How about creative but Atheist? Full study details are missing. This is cherry picking results so far in this presentation.
This is intriguing but I can't help wonder... it's been said that we use as little as 10% of our brains. So is it not reasonable to flirt with the idea that perhaps that experiment enhances the ability to connect with a spiritual dimension, rather than it being an illusion?
It must truly be sad to be so unhappy and afraid in the little world inside your mind that you would feel the need to be so down on others and their chosen beliefs. I feel for you, really. In fact, I pity you.
How can you possibly be so pompous that you would presume to think you have the consummate possession of all the knowledge of religion, science psyche AND the workings of the human brain?
Get a life will you? Maybe then you wouldn't be so possessed with denigrating others.
@Kriegar1964 "down on others and their chosen beliefs."
Chosen?? Seriously?? Well the conversion into that devine concept at the point of a sword certainly makes them rational beings. Understanding the beginnings of thngs makes them less than devine.
Conversion of some by the point of the sword at the hand of man does not indicate conversion of all. Nor is it relevant in ones' religous choices today, at least in this country. You presume too much, and at this point in time, know too little.
Even if this helmet can reproduce an experience, that is certainly no proof it is the SAME experience, nor that the experience does not exist by othe rmeans. It is a specious argument.
Religion isn't really very concerned about if god exists or not. The point of religion is to encourage be good people, to respect each other, to help your neighbor. The belief in god is left over from a time when there wasn't really science. Religion was their science. Remember, god has only been disproven for a little over a hundred years. The people that try to impose god and the afterlife on everyone are loonies, and only a small percent
@manrayer88 ... I'm not religious at all, but I'm certainly interested in this so called claim that you have disproven the existence of god. Please elaborate further!
@manrayer88 Things certainly changed after Ben Franklin found out what metal flashing around the home can prevent,,, that all too life ending spark of godt coming down through the roof and zapping the impure thoughts of its victims.
Not too long ago, Dr. Persinger stated he found evidence for telepathy in the lab using the God Helmet, if he continues to replicate this finding with the God Helmet, it will strongly suggest these altered states are not merely brain manifestations. Also, additional areas of interest would be to gather Near Death Experience patients and strap the Helmet on to them to see if their are similarities/differences and/or any occurences of psychic phenomena.
@cpynch this does not prove god, it only proves our brains create this "psychic" field. sorry dude, this is not enough evidence for you to say "WHAMMY. Eat shit theists. :)" this is really cool research this guy is into, but doesn't prove god, if any thing it shows how some people can be more easily lead into a false belief system like any religion.
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even if our idea of god comes within our own minds, it does not necessarily follow that God does not exist. just putting that on the internets as a point of logic
palebluedot4ev 1 week ago
DMT?
neomysterio 1 week ago
Nerve staple, here we come :p
chaosmembrane 1 week ago
Uh oh, it sounds like Jesus and Allah may have some competition.
a0eoj 2 weeks ago 3
But can i buy one?? Or make one?
IsisDaughter1 2 weeks ago
When the biochemical brain closes down a new reality is experienced in a parallel body. Ironically, in the future, As the technology improves, Persinger's helmet will enable more people to experience alternate realities in parallel universes. You have to look beyond Persinger's experiments to understand the implications. No doubt, their conditioning are generating different interpretations but the subjects are clearly experiencing an alternate reality.
eMathSpace 2 weeks ago
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Persinger's experiments are simply closing down the biochemical brain so that the locus of awareness shifts to a parallel body. (The magnetic fields cause what are equivalent to temporary brain lesions.) Persinger is therefore proving (not disproving) that parallel bodies exist with his experiments and that we can sense presences (that are not currently measurable by scientific instruments) through these bodies when specific circuits in the biochemical brain are temporarily shut down.
eMathSpace 2 weeks ago
They all had a psychedelic experience , vocies , faces, a comforting presence all sounds like the mushroom trips I've had
airsoftsamtheman 3 weeks ago
@vjohn82 FAITH by dictionary definition is a belief, trust or reliance on someone or something. Every1 has faith in 1 form or other. If your belief is that God is a fairytale & that faith is immovable, why should I argue with you? My belief in the Bible is the foundation of my faith & that reliance allows me to make the statement already posted. Your questions have Biblical answers. They're not 1-liners responses, you will have to choose to seek them out
laverneangela 4 weeks ago
That merely proves that God is real & that you have accessed the physical access point on the human body that opens the door to humans for communication from the physcially seen realm to the spiritually unseen realm. For brilliant scientists you seem to be shockingly blind not to be able to come to this conclusion. But then if you admit to this then you will have no option but to admit that Intellegent Design is plausable & then you will 1 step closer to having to believe in God
laverneangela 1 month ago
@laverneangela Wow... who knew that the manipulation of the brain could be used by a religious nutjob to infer that we are merely unlocking parts of the brain accessible to god. We have to ask why such a vessel is deliberately closed in the first place (being "intelligently designed") and why the manipulation works on freaking out animals too. Anything else to add?
vjohn82 1 month ago
Emotions can be simulated. They dont really exist either everyone. You mad bro? no. no you're not. And on a not so trollish note. The logic that simulated religious experience disproves God would only hold water if an essential doctrine of Christianity was that God does not work through the physical world — our brains — but is confined to undetectable spiritual planes. This is not an essential doctrine of Christianity.
Schism337 1 month ago
DON"T GET STUCK UP ON WORDS! DO NOT FIGHT STRAWMEN ! Look at it at face value !
TheOriginalEntz 1 month ago
Sooo many morons and none of them realize that this is an experience we are having. Stop dismissing experiment because you hate christians. This has nothing at all to do with the bible. lay off you fucking wankers. don't you realize this disproves god as just EM ? You should be happy you fucking retards . Go promote science instead of acting worse than christians. oh and dawkins - what a fucking joke. stay away from that sharlatan.
TheOriginalEntz 1 month ago
this is utter FUCKING USELESS WORTHLESS SHIT TRASH PROPAGANDA. these are one of those """""tests"""""" that are so fucking unscientific with a question not being answered because of the use of magnetic fields on some ones brain gives them a sensation. what do you fucking expect? i believe religion is a tool of satan, and only truth of reality in Gods power is life, so many people are willing ignorant slaves stamped with a mindset, going in a trippy 'high' state, fuck this shit im smoking weed.
poltergiest11 2 months ago
@poltergiest11 Wow...somebody is angry.
LuisReefTank 1 month ago
@poltergiest11 I see it this way: Humans are always either forming or joining groups. We all need to have some sort of uniformity, based on comradery. Onece we do this there's some spiritual based need, which really is based upon or dreams, hopes, aspirations, etc. People will NEVER all be united as ONE, you'll forever continue to see the " Us against THEM " attiudes which have either a faith-based doctrine, political, cultural, racial attitude behind therm. It proves evolution.
gblueslover2 1 month ago
@gblueslover2 humans need to be with other humans, it isnt questioned, but there are those ferals that live. there was and still is a SPIRITUAL base in all tribes/people togetherness, because we are obvious Spirits living in bodies, with souls to have senses. people as a whole is naught. there is the elect of God that HAVE to have TRUTH, of LOVE of God, as the Bible shows us. the "us against them" mantality is actually created by evil, or lies, or misconception of what is good.
poltergiest11 1 month ago
@poltergiest11 From the smallest microbes, to the largest creatures in the sea, all living things form groups & compete- It's obvious that doing THIS we can do many things against those whom are less than "OUR" numbers. It's way more effecient to work as a team- That's the dominant behavior of every living thing. If they cannot compete with brains they will compete with numbers.. Tried, tested and TRUE.
gblueslover2 1 month ago
@gblueslover2 hi, what you are stating is that people change their beliefs to what ever Power, Authority is over them, and the mixing of places with others, it isnt new to me to call it 'evolution', it is human diving into self religion or global acceptance to one world order under a certain power evoultion. there is very different seperate meanings of the word, either to word use, or belief in theory use, im using the word "developmental process" as what all you say is the
poltergiest11 1 month ago
@poltergiest11 No sir- they DO what 'SUITS" them, BECAUSE our inherent tribal survival inscints. This is obvious> There are many people whom are SINCERE about their beliefs, TRULY sincere, yet "completely" different than yours. < What about that ?
Are they going to HELL in YOUR opinion ? For instance- I'm a atheist, & I'm VERY sicere in my beliefs. Religion make zero sense. In fact, it PROVES we evolved. Get the ego in check, or be tribal and say " How dare you" I accept that 2.
gblueslover2 1 month ago
@gblueslover2 bettering of mankind, but it is always become and always was not better by the beliefs of indoctrination, mystery babylon satan/evil/self as god worship. the idea that the weaker should be enialated and the 'team' you speak of is the exact idea of 'gettind rid of those we dont like' or those who say God is Christ, He know's His elect, you are not being one or are not one by believing in evolution theory religion. how dare you preach eliminate the ones you dont like.
poltergiest11 1 month ago
@poltergiest11 There are religions of your same creed whom believe that YOU have got it all wrong, and whom "know" you are not believing nor practicing your faith in the correct way, method, style, etc. I & "They" (the many other faithful) say this with the same confidence that YOU may say that other sects, religions, belief structures are incorrect. Here's the thing- Humans are tribal, and ALL groups welcome larger membership, it's encouraged. Get the ego in check, youre tribal
gblueslover2 1 month ago
@gblueslover2 cont..meaning, the mantality is showing those that have that mantality dont know the "other" mantality. of acceptance of everything done to us, to each other, that we do. NOT saying the mantality of 'acceptance of everything mantality', because with the God mantality it is to accept others by living and knowing from each other why we do, say, think the things we do, but to not accept THE TEN COMMANDMENTS be broken. those Ten are prety much the REAL, and ideal from God
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@poltergiest11 Other religions would ALSO like to bring all " others" into their fold, because , obviously "their " way, form, style, "solidly: backed by their interpretation of their preffered doctrine. You've got to remember here, there WERE established religions BEFORE any "LEGION" you mention that was possibly First. And "first", actually means what RECORED, written history can bring forth. There is pre-history, which evidence to anthropology shows we formed religions TOO.
gblueslover2 1 month ago
@gblueslover2 that is why it is a LIE of Satan to create "re-legions" or recreations of the True Legion, then can be created another belief you feel is better then The Other, or the 'us against them' attitude. that is what True Christianity is against, made up gods, ideals, doctrines, politics, CULTures, hate of looks, sounds, smells of others, etc. that proves Creation. that makes me question the actual understanding and reasoning of anyone proclaiming Christ is wrong. HE IS YHWH
poltergiest11 1 month ago
@poltergiest11 But this have never stopped, there is NO historical evidence of the entire earth, continent, a region, a stae, city, town or community where there was and great amount of time, (let's say 100 years) where political, cultural, racial, ethnical, religion ever stayed the same- Dymanics of life are always changing- That's what evolution AUTOMATICALLY does- Change things. Trying to understand the laws of nature can be difficult, yet they are simple also.
gblueslover2 1 month ago
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@poltergiest11 I see it this way: Humans are always either forming or joining groups. We all need to have some sort of uniformity, based on comradery. Once we do this there's some spiritual-based need, which really is based upon or dreams, hopes, aspirations, etc. People will NEVER all be united as ONE, you'll forever continue to see the " Us against THEM " attiudes which have either a faith-based doctrine, political, cultural, racial attitudes behind them. It proves evolution !!
gblueslover2 1 month ago
Like dreaming images, or astral scenery and impressions... All depends in the inner being, and his soul's contents, that is taking the mild stimulation... Persinger, speaking, seems a little bit exaggerating...
petrustella 2 months ago
Granqvist's team later invalidated Persinger's helmet.
But the ultimate, logical, refutation of this nonsense is that neural correlates of a 'mystical experience' do not per se prove that such an experience is an illusion, as all experiences have neural correlates!
That is, it is as feasible that an actual 'God helmet' opened up the mind for such a true, veridical experience.
I write this as an atheist. Sloppy thinking helps no one's cause.
Ontologistics 2 months ago
@Ontologistics I dunno, whenever I dream it seems real also. Do dreams relate to things spiritually, or am I just dreaming ? I'm convinced I'm just dreaming. If I started believing that my dreams were TRUE and / or REAL, I'd be in a nuthouse.
There's also been studies which show that when people PRAY they are using the same region of the brain as when they PRETEND. People need to dream, they need to pretend. We can't take away that need from anyone. IMHO, we need 2 deal with it.
gblueslover2 1 month ago
@gblueslover2 hello im a born again child of Christ. to tell you the truth, PRAY/DREAM/THINK region of the brain of "PRETEND" is actually the thought creation area of the brain, the imagination, it is the think source. it is not 'pretend' only when it really is pretend. this happens in the hippocampus, where the neurons have a form that is 'mysteriously' manifested, to create a energy to those neurons passing all around the brain, back to the region again, it is called thought.
poltergiest11 1 month ago
@gblueslover2 no one can say thought is created by man, because it isnt. it IS FORMED/MANIFESTED from God obviously, or 'from a different reality/dimension/universe then ours'. God did say He knows everything that we think, and He is in Control, that is why it brings us, true born again elect children of God, relief. that God is in Control of everything, of the thoughts, and yes, that means God controls what 'evil people' do, because God allows only what is needed. dreams..oh hehe
poltergiest11 1 month ago
@gblueslover2 how i could explain dreams/dreaming/dream experience, is that it is like Inception of God's Life He gave us. it means that it is like a 'life' we live when we are 'sleeping/not living but refreshing mode'. it does not mean inception of life as in you are God and have everything you want you can do state, no it is the actual conscience power/will to "live" anything you imagine, or want to imagine, or have strange 'not wants, but happens' events in dream time. it is
poltergiest11 1 month ago
@poltergiest11 And one last thing on this dreaming. Note again that I previously mentioned that I sometime note my pet (DOG) sleeping and can see her kick her legs, growl, whimper, etc. < ALL THIS, yet relgion doesn't care much to cover what ANIMALS THINK or GO TRHOUGH. Religious doctrines really care MORE about the PEOPLE, because people AUTHORED those doctrines. It's like the beliefs are "love animals" but not much more CONSIDERATION is GIVEN. Just another human tribal attribute
gblueslover2 1 month ago
@gblueslover2 that is what Jesus is trying to tell you young 'gblueslover2'! that tribal means human instinct, so I as a child of God, from Jesus who died to save all who believed Him, is to live with ones you love, or able IF able to be with them, I love EVERY ONE, do you? what is wrong with you to not love, with my TRIBAL INSTINCT or the natural way or normal, is to LOVE EVERYONE, is it POSSIBLE to be with and share your love with them? a little, by working on the internet heheh. sorry you
poltergiest11 1 month ago
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@poltergiest11 "YOUNG gblueslover2" ? I'll bet I'm older than YOU. As in close to 60. So NOW that you're wrong, it "may" be time for you to change gears. Did Jesus "tell you" I was YOUNG ? lol. I don't LOVE everyone, as in that is a impossible feat. You may "believe" you love everyone, but that's just an ACT, your, self-righteous " Love everyone mantra". I respect your right to believe as you wish . However-Your religious competition are the ONES u should be watching!
gblueslover2 1 month ago
@gblueslover2 didnt realize it yet, that YOU and this video, and those who believe "so muuuuch" in a no god, you are god, satan is god complex, God DID SAY IN THE BIBLE satan is the god of this earth, so GOD REASSURES US, YOU KNOW GOOD AND EVIL, CHOOSE TO DO GOOD, CHOOSE ME, GOD, LOVE, TRUTH, JESUS CHRIST. you believe you have to die because you are Jesus/God, dont you? but no, you are only human/sinner, why do you believe your not of God's so much? i am of I Am/God, you tell me
poltergiest11 1 month ago
@poltergiest11 I am a "god"..? Man YOU are "out there" buddy.
Obviously, you " need " your "Legion" to be a good person right ? Otherwise you'd be a criminal maybe, huh ? I am OF MYSELF, just another being living on this planet. On a personal level, I don't drink, drug or have a criminal record.
And I DID IT ALL without a legion. a re-legion, or god.
AMAZING, huh ? LMAO !!!!!!
gblueslover2 1 month ago
@gblueslover2 all that is very obvious to a Christian, but i dont believe in the lie you do, that religion has all the same doctrine, they have all the same ASPECT of the CHRIST LIKE / CHRISTIAN BIBLE, the bibles, the christs of those religions beliefs, that is why you believe NOT IN JESUS SO MUCH, sorry should i say Yeshuah in Hebrew for you? you know who im talkin about, stop believing in RElegion, i believe in THE LEGION, or I AM OF THE LEGION/ELECT, I WORSHIP GOD, NOT SATAN!paz
poltergiest11 1 month ago
@poltergiest11 Calling me a LIAR, yet you LOVE everyone ? Thank YOU for that, as you have PROVEN my point that all humans are TRIBAL. HOW I act, YOU act, & everyone ELSE on this earth continues on proving that. Your religious competition, KNOWS you are believing in the wrong WAY, as you KNOW they are wrong too. I'll bet u cannot FOCUS on this fact, but rather only consider YOUR "way" as the correct method. Let's SEE you go into a Mosque or a Synagogue & convince them of YOUR way.
gblueslover2 1 month ago
@gblueslover2 a dream, but it is a wonderful experience, a gift of the chance to use your 'will/mind/thinking/imagination' to experience/live/feel/go through, in your sleeping time period. it is a state of being that many take WAY OUT OF GRANTED. dont be deceived into thinking we are gods for this ability. it is like an experience in another 'reality', only created by you, consciencesly [lucid], or unconsciencly [unknowing particapant of whatever is given]. so i hope this helps!paz
poltergiest11 1 month ago
God is not a feeling!!!!!!!! I heard people experience this same effect on weed ROFL!!!!!!!! :-)
expectationofprivacy 3 months ago
Dawkins used the helmet and did not have the experiences described in this video. There's actually a lot of criticism out there to be found on this subject.
It does appear though that the use of the helmet did have some positive effects on helping people who were dealing with depression.
The helmet's supposed results were in the range of 80% having some sort of reaction, but NDEs are at a much lower rate. This helmet does not dismiss NDEs, and a lot of skeptics agree.
jbourg333 3 months ago
Also I keep hearing that this experience is the brain's way of helping the person cope with death by giving them a sense of ease. Then why on earth do some people have hell-like experiences? To me that is quite the opposite of putting a mind at ease.
jbourg333 3 months ago
If 75-85% of the U.S. is religious, but only 15% of people that come close to death have NDEs; what happens to the other 60-70% of the believers? Why don't they have the experience? If this is something that is induced by brain chemicals as a coping mechanism, does that mean the 60-70% that experience nothing have a defective brain?
What about atheists that report such experiences? Does that mean they revert all the way back to their childhood for their coping mechanism?
jbourg333 3 months ago
While I'm an atheist myself, I'll have to agree with those who say this helmet does not disprove "spiritual" in any way. By stimulating certain parts of the brains we can perceve smells we know. Does it mean those smells don't exist in the real world? Obviosly no.
It could make us more receptive to something that is already there, quoting an anonymous a "contact lense for the third eye".
ThisOneIsTaken 3 months ago
THIS HELMET DOES NOT DISPROVE GOD or any kind of religious vision, for if it is possible for God to reveal himself through an experience like this, then the potential for one to receive that experience exists within the person themself.
mathieucameron 3 months ago
@mathieucameron why doesnt god just reveal himself through other means? if he can do anything, why the fuck doesnt he just reaveal himself physically like jesus so supposingly did 2000 or so years ago?
TheNoNameUsername 3 months ago
@TheNoNameUsername I wasn't trying to take a stand on any side of the issue i was just trying to say that the video doesn't disprove anything.
mathieucameron 3 months ago
This show fails to mention the Swedish recreations which do not validate Persinger's experiments. I'm thinking that's kind of important.
sweetdreamerzz 4 months ago
The interesting part is how he only uses the study on religious people. He failed to use it on those who are non-religious. I promise you that you can create any type of feeling by stimulating the brain. Afterall, thats how we get those feelings.
DjPulseK 4 months ago
other researchers have failed to replicate these experiments.
remember to not be religious about non-religion.
darris321 4 months ago
Bryan McCabe sucks.
-Ryan Kaattari
AlexDottaWolverine 4 months ago
Dude! Dude! Dude! Shit! I know! OK See ya. You'll propably gonna tape me walking down the street anyway right? Yeah I know you.
-Robert Myre
AlexDottaRobertMyre 4 months ago
Fucking Atheists. Fucking Christians. Fucking Catholics. Fucking Jews. Fucking Muslims. Fucking Agnostics. Fuck all of you dumb fucks who believe in religion. God is real. Religion is what makes you all think you know everything. Dumb mother fuckers.
NicholasFonville 5 months ago
@NicholasFonville Atheism isn't a religion.
KarolineSadowski 4 months ago
@NicholasFonville
How very profound.
volapuk49 4 months ago
I'm an atheist, as if it weren't blatantly obvious via my comments. Telling a person dealing with depression that depression is nothing may not be the most competent thing I've heard from anyone. What do you think me saying I've been through the gamut of treatment meant? I've tried all of what you listed. Wellbutrin being the only effective treatment with the more than slightly unpleasant side effect of atrial fibrillation.
JuanIII 5 months ago
@JuanIII allright but at least you found some drug that works, even though it has side-effects at the moment. I'm confident that science will come up with an improved version in the future. Progress is also what science is about. Progress, Evolution, etc. You do trust science, right? ;) Else a person can't really be a true atheist if they've doubts about it. Either you're with us, or you're with *them*.
UltraJudgeDredd 5 months ago
@JuanIII
As for the experiment, just because running some electricity through that part *may* have some effect on depression (merely psychological perhaps? they see Gawd, so they feel better) doesn't prove much. There have been similar effects by stimulating other parts of the brain, electro-therapy is still relatively crude at the moment. So my initial statement still stands.
UltraJudgeDredd 5 months ago
So, this doucebag claims to find something by applying <0,005 tesla (fridge magnet equivalent) , while every larger hospital applies 3 tesla on a hourly basis (mri) and up to 7-9 tesla (high res functional mri) are being used in science for scanning living biology, without noticing anything similar. therefore bullshit.
olllj 5 months ago
Such stupid, stupid people, some of these Atheists. Want to be left alone, but can't leave others alone. BTW, grow up ISAMUElll, for real.
Kriegar1964 6 months ago
@Kriegar1964 A believer in some imaginary god, behaving the way you are is to be expected. Then he adds in a "for real",,, seriously, I am as real as a man can be. I do not let the lies of parasites confuse me into thinking some big guy in a big chair as it all under control.
"refer to me as a "critter", but being the scumbag partaker of fellatio that you are, take a fat gulp of spermatazoa and BLOW ME."
Creation = critters yuh moronic punk. No you never insulted anyone.
ISamuelII 6 months ago
Cont:. So which christian bent do you claim Mr. Moronic, is it the 'turn the cheek' or the 'forgiveness' brand,, or is it my god or I'll damn you to eternity type of faith you hold so dear.
Serious, go blow you??? What would your god say to you about that one remark,,, and who is it you are calling childish. You behave like the typical Phelps clan.
So your god is make believe, why attack the informer, does it mean you are a wasted life cheerleading for nothing? Yes Sam it does.
ISamuelII 6 months ago
@ISamuelII
First of all, I did not say I was, nor do I find it germane to the discussion. Secondly, why do you complain of the very "childish" behavior that you yourself exhibit?
What is this repeated reference you make to "your god"? Pick up the intellectual pace Perseus.
Kriegar1964 6 months ago
@ISamuelII
You, as a matter of fact, are certainly in no way conceivable " as real as a man can be". In fact, you are rather unreal. Nor can you follow the simplest of lines of thought or conversation. I have told you repeatedly that I never claimed an adherence to a particular religious belief. What I do, and as I have said repeatedly, is that I believe in the right to believe as you wish. Try to keep up.
Kriegar1964 6 months ago
@ISamuelII
By the by, you being the actual moron...and punk...would be much better occupied visiting with the voices in your head at a nearby medical facility.
Kriegar1964 6 months ago
Impressive! Take that, theists!
Kotlettbengt 7 months ago
@Kotlettbengt idiot that only means that god exists in your head, meaning he is not real he is just your imagination, stupid cunt, hes there in heaven jacking off to his angels, the feeling that you have that god exists when you wear the helmet its just your brain fucked up from the magnetic waves, visions of god or satan or whatever are not real, don't you get it stupid
Thegoodlol 7 months ago
@Thegoodlol What the fuck??? I'm an ATHEIST you stupid idiot!!! That's why I said "Take that, theists!" And let me make things clear, I don't accept anyone calling me a CUNT, ok scum??? Yes, I DO get it, I am very well aware that there is no such thing as demons, too bad you weren't smart enough to grasp that simple comment of mine.
Kotlettbengt 7 months ago
@Kotlettbengt ok calm down atheist i'm on your side i'm not your enemy, delusioned religious ppl are our enemy not me, kiss and make up?
Thegoodlol 7 months ago
@Thegoodlol Don't mention it, comrade. *smooch*
Kotlettbengt 7 months ago
@Kotlettbengt WOW you both are quite reactionary. I've witness this before and normally indicated a lack of positional belief. Yet I think Thegoodlol you need not worry about ones belief by surround yourself with like minded folks and stop freaking out.
The only problem I have with this vid is why didn't they provide some links to those who participated or why not give us some idea who funded the research or even where does the researcher stand on the after life? I personally see a leftist.
hoppyman50 6 months ago
@Kotlettbengt
Cunt. Really? So, if you wear this helmet, and chocolate tastes like strawberry, or sandpaper feels like silk, this is also because they are? Think outside the box between your ears, dude.
Kriegar1964 6 months ago
@Kriegar1964 The fact that you begin your comment by calling me a cunt is devastating to your case, not to mention the idiocy of the comment. Go fuck yourself.
Kotlettbengt 6 months ago
@Kotlettbengt ... I believe he meant "Cont" as in "Continued", like in his previous messages...if so, you better take that back ;)
UltraJudgeDredd 6 months ago
@UltraJudgeDredd Well, if that's the case, of course I'll apologize.
Kotlettbengt 6 months ago
thumbs up if you hear voices without that helmet.
dpjra86 7 months ago
7 ppl sucked satans balls...more cow bell !!!
dpjra86 7 months ago
Open and shut case. It's all in the brain. God, the "devil", yin and yang....all in the human brain.
MrPomeroyWatson 7 months ago
This can get people out of comas! So here's how it works *dramatic music starts* a person in a coma is in a dream... right? So if we connect the God helmet to him, and he's sucked into another dream, without him noticing, he can have a dream within a dream. This is the 2nd dream state, by the 3rd he'll know for sure he's in a coma. So then we give him a kick in the real world, in the 2nd dream, and the 3rd so he can wake up for sure! GENIUS! *dramatic music ends*
epicenur 7 months ago
The experiment proves nothing. You could replicate any sensation by stimulating the brain, that does not mean physical experience is not true. For instance, if you stimulated parts of the brain you could produce the sense of being burnt. Does that mean if you stick your hand over a flame, you aren't really being burnt? It's interesting, no doubt, but as always you cannot prove a negative.
SeeingPatterns 7 months ago
I am glad that science is finally proving what we have been saying all along.. Man is capable of interpreting Gods intention. Made in his image, we are, on a microcosmic level, God. God has always dealt with the universe in a mathematical way and not some miraculous, spooky way that some prefer us to believe.
gunz543 8 months ago
@gunz543 Or that the mans brain created god
MrNellie2200 7 months ago
a good way to be done! congratulations dr!
solardaymon 8 months ago
Makes ME wonder what this 5 gig cell phone tower IPADTechnology is all about, Goldman Sachs Robbing/STEALING The the American Tax Payer Backing an Un-Just 'Occupation' of a War/Multiple WARS of 'UNCONSTITUTIONAL/TREASONOUS' Executive Order, WITH HALLIBURTON, , , DEEP-WATER HORIZON, , , WORLD-AMERICAN-PETRODOLLAR??, , , B.P., , , HALLIBURTON huuum, , , I.M.F., , , UN-FEDERAL RESERVE? Thought We the People Lived in a Constitutional Democracy when it came to sending our Youth to BATTLE for WHO? BP?
rclark23 8 months ago
Your not proving these things are not real you are in fact proving that they are...The mind is a door and you are allowing people to open it and peer inside to see what is going on. This is what you are mistaking..I like your work though!
jspecaspec23 8 months ago
@jspecaspec23 You said what I was thinking. Our perception of reality has to do with the workings of the brain. If we tinker around enough, we open doors that eventually will be opened through experience. Nature provides us with a key to open the door. We should not just kick down the door before we are ready, such as with drugs, because we need to develop patience and other virtues, as well as scientific knowledge. It is vain to assume that we know all there is to know.
fsmtdaler 8 months ago
The good Dr is confused. The very fact that you send the same amount of stigma to a person and they do not produce the same exact results means that what they are experiencing is real and not just a hallucination otherwise you could form a formula to no matter who the person is or how they are to react the same way each time to your dose. Like a pill thats mas produced. Dr you are un locking the brain in sensory deprivation and giving it the muscle needed to really expand into other realities.
jspecaspec23 8 months ago
If he thinks he is even close to the experiences one can get from ACTUAL experiences, he is SADLY mistaken.. :)
yseeker23 8 months ago
@yseeker23 Nice to know you have science to back that up
ChocolatePoop1301 8 months ago
@yseeker23
And how exactly would he be sadly mistaken? Have you tried his experiment? What factual knowledge do you have other then what you THINK you know that explains otherwise? It still boggles my mind how so many people say they KNOW this and that but yet really dont. There are so many things in this world and universe that we couldnt possibly know and here you are claiming that without a doubt you KNOW that this person is mistaken. Talk about clueless
McBright80 7 months ago
@McBright80 i've tried everything on this sorry ass planet of satans excrement you call Earth, and I stand by my remarks. What the God Helmet give is an electromagneticly induced drugtrip. No more, no less. I could include the "science" behind my remarks, but not in a 500 character limited discussion thread. For that you'll have to meet me, i'll buy the beer and we'll have an 8-14 hour long conversation on the subject. That should be enough to explain at least the basics of it all.
yseeker23 6 months ago
Wish if i can try this helmet once
DeepGenom 8 months ago
lol 2:01 - end, he basically says: "we can generate god."
ha.
Ha.
HA.
maxinator775 9 months ago
Actually, the God helmet does not produce or reproduce the logic and eloquence revealed in the Holy Writings of the past, whether from Jesus, Muhammad, and more recently, Baha'u'llah.
It "tickles" the receptors within the brain which activate mental images and emotions, which does not invalidate the existence of that which normally produces such.
Close your eyes, place your fingers upon your eyelids with slight pressure, and light appears, even in a dark room. The sun still exists...
fsmtdaler 9 months ago
@fsmtdaler
There is very little logic and eloquence in those so called "holy" writings, I've read works of men not written "by god" with more logic and eloquence within them. Yeah sure the Sun still exists when you close your eyes, but that doesn't invalidate the existence of pixies.
TurboDally 8 months ago
@TurboDally View Bahai dot org "And now, concerning thy question regarding the creation of man. Know thou that all men have been created in the nature made by God, the Guardian, the Self-Subsisting. Unto each one hath been prescribed a pre-ordained measure, as decreed in God's mighty and guarded Tablets. All that which ye potentially possess can, however, be manifested only as a result of your own volition. Your own acts testify to this truth." Gleanings from the Writings of Baha'u'llah
fsmtdaler 8 months ago
@TurboDally "O Son of Spirit! The best beloved of all things in My sight is Justice. Turn not away therefrom if thou desirest Me, and neglect it not that I may confide in thee. By its aid thou shalt see with thine own eyes and not the eyes of others, and shalt know of thine own knowledge and not the knowledge of thy neighbor. Ponder this in thy hear, how it behooveth thee to be. Verily Justice is My gift to thee, and the sign of My loving kindness. Set it then before thine eyes." Bahaullah
fsmtdaler 8 months ago
Those who voted 'Dislike' did so only because this research exposes NDE's, afterlife & religious visions as the delusions they truly are.
Everything is in your head. EVEN what you think you see. :)
dirtydonki 9 months ago 16
@dirtydonki THANK YOU!!!!
god, i haven't met a single person that has ever spoken my thoughts so precisely.
maxinator775 9 months ago 5
@dirtydonki Oh I don't know about that. It's far more reasonable to think that people that report these experiences are schizophrenic, or were drugged, or were willingly taking drugs. It only proves that the parts of the brain needed to perceive and process the sensory effects of such experiences are operational. I've never heard of a shaman sticking a big magnet next to his brain. It's, yet again, another atheist who was probably butt raped trying desperately to prove a negative.
SeeingPatterns 7 months ago
This is your tax dollars at work folks. What is to be gained in society by proving, or attempting to prove cause you never will fully prove a negative, that spiritual experiences take place ... wait for it ... in the brain. You know, where you think ... This really borders on pseudo science. From a positivist point of view it proves nothing other than that his helmet makes you experience weird things. Collect the data in real world situations and I'd be impressed.
SeeingPatterns 7 months ago
@dirtydonki sposobnost za okuse nema vrijednosti dok se ne okusi nešto... Što god bilo u čijoj glavi ipak se uglavnom događaju iste stvari, a neki mogu osjećati i činiti više (bioenergija)...
pavaogc 6 months ago
@dirtydonki I'm not religious but this doesn't say anything about the afterlife.
PsychoJosh 6 months ago
@dirtydonki Merely because something happens in the head and can be manipulated does not mean it's entirely untrustworthy. Sight is also in your head and can be manipulated in the exact same way that religious experiences can. Does that imply sight is a delusion?
HannuMarijarvi 6 months ago 6
@HannuMarijarvi sight is a delusion.....it is the sensation of light photons being translated into neural signals
mdbreda 6 months ago
@mdbreda If you want to say sight is a delusion, go ahead. Nobody will agree with you, though, because it's nonsensical to call sight a delusion. Sight is a sense, and senses do not fit the definition of a delusion. Sight transmits to us information about the real world.
HannuMarijarvi 6 months ago
@HannuMarijarvi There are so many optical illusions that trick our sense of sight it's honestly not even worth arguing about. Our brain is tricked by sight just as our brain is tricked by the sensation of a god. What makes us human is that our brain is able to make assumptions about the world around us and many times those assumptions are incorrect. This is the essence of human error and is what makes us who we are.
mdbreda 6 months ago
@mdbreda This is not what I said. I said that merely because we have identified that a sensation in the brain does not mean it's entirely untrustworthy. Any sense can be manipulated, but that doesn't imply that therefore there's nothing to sense.
A lot of people here in this comments-section seem to think this research disproves the idea of the spiritual. Yet nobody would say the fact that sight can be manipulated in laboratory-conditions disproves the existence of the optical.
HannuMarijarvi 6 months ago
@HannuMarijarvi i agree! i believe we were arguing two separate things
mdbreda 6 months ago
Respond to this video... here's a website that showcases many of these optical illusions kids.niehs.nih.gov/illusion/illusions .htm .... it's made for children :D
mdbreda 6 months ago
@dirtydonki Well said
But this experiment's only a small step in the right direction. It should serve some useful purpose now, and it's about f-ing time. In particular we should turn to eugenics so as to remove this useless part of the brain, for the improvement of future generations - the improvement of mankind :)
UltraJudgeDredd 6 months ago 11
@UltraJudgeDredd
Who's to say that part of the brain is useless. The God helmet has been shown to be an effective treatment for depression and seizures. If you remove that part of the brain what happens then? Not only have you removed what can be used as an effective treatment for depression, but who knows what the results will be. I'm fairly certain most everyone has this part of the brain intact; it is not the cause for religiosity. A biologically induced lobotomy is not the answer.
JuanIII 5 months ago
@JuanIII "Who's to say"? How about SCIENCE? This experiment proves that god is an illusion, so anything causing this illusion is not only useless but also nefarious - an insult to science. It's as effective on depression as weed (except the latter at least is real).
The only way to assert superioty of man over god, science over religion, is via Eugenics. This evolutionary mistake must be fixed ASAP. This wouldn't be a "lobotomy", it'd be an upgrade. We'd be giving evolution a nudge that's all.
UltraJudgeDredd 5 months ago
@JuanIII By the way there are already effective & *proven* treatments for depression & seizures (even natural harmless ones).
As for what would happen if that part o the brain were removed - well look at Richard Dawkins, he's doing fine without it (he tried the helmet experiment too, and failed. Or rather, he passed brilliantly, from a logical point of view anyway)
UltraJudgeDredd 5 months ago
@UltraJudgeDredd
He probably still experienced the physical effects the helmet induces. His ability to reason is what came out on top. There are very few effective treatments for depression. I know because I deal with it, and I have been through the gamut of treatment. Parts of the brain like this may be vital to other worthwhile functions. But yes, it is unfortunate it may have strong ties to the persistence of many stubborn individuals who clinging to a religious mentality.
JuanIII 5 months ago
@JuanIII
cling*
JuanIII 5 months ago
@JuanIII He experienced some tingling, big deal, any part of the brain would result in same effect (ask those who been through electroshock therapy! )
And no this part aint vital, its proven here that it's useless AND dangerous. It causes religion, and religion can potentially undermine the authority of the State, our job would be easier without religion. People should fear the State, the authorities, not some invisible man in the sky. That's why it must be eliminated through eugenics.
UltraJudgeDredd 5 months ago
@JuanIII also depression is the least of problems compared to real illnesses anyway. And yes there ARE treatments for it, that's what psychologists are for, plus there's prozac, valium, and even natural plants if you don't like meds.
You dont need religion (or pseudo-religion) for health care. Trust reason. Trust SCIENCE.
By the way, you religious? If so what religion?
UltraJudgeDredd 5 months ago
@UltraJudgeDredd
When a person takes up science as a greater cause, that person must be careful to avoid using science as a substitute for religion. It seems like you fail to recognize that entirely. Science is about evidence, not claims to absolute knowledge about how everything works simply because SCIENCE! I doubt that part of the brain is absent in me, yet I'm still an individual that believes in rationality. Which for me, starts with expanding the mind, not removing parts of it.
JuanIII 5 months ago
@JuanIII Exactly - and "expanding the mind" also means doing away with anything that hinders it. Removing the wrong & useless parts (like this one, as the experiment clearly shows - since we're talking about 'evidence') and favoring the right parts. Just like science discards false theories and focuses on correct ones. A theory is either Correct or False. But that doesn't justify comparing science to religion. The former uses logic & reason, the latter uses, well, nothing except dogma.
UltraJudgeDredd 5 months ago
@UltraJudgeDredd Though I'd agree with you, I think you missed the part where they said that the temporal lobes are also used in creativity, motion, and fantasy. To remove this part of the brain could, essentially, make everyone substantially less creative. Thus its likely there there will be no more new music, no more new drawings, no more new non-fiction books, etc. Though I'm a "science geek", I seriously doubt I'd enjoy a world without those branches of creativity.
christianpunk20 4 months ago
@christianpunk20 uh "used" but to what extent? this isn't the "creativity" part of the brain, it's simply the "madness" part of it, and can be done without. Dr Persionger is clear on this.
BUT if this vid ain't enough to convince you - perhaps you may not know that Richard Dawkins himself proved completely unreceptive to this experiment. Would you suggest that Dr Dawkins lacks creativity & artistic taste?
UltraJudgeDredd 4 months ago
@UltraJudgeDredd Think you misunderstood my comment, bud. 1. I wasn't trying to argue with you. (Arguing over the internet is just silly.) I was actually agreeing with you, just tossing in a thought. 2. I don't know to what extent that part contributes to anything. Hints the "could" in my statement. It *could* cause substantial loss. Not saying it will. 3. I already know they tested this on Mr. Dawkins, and there was no effect. ... I was just speculating what might be lost if it is cut out.
christianpunk20 4 months ago
@UltraJudgeDredd Talking about eugenics as it's something good... I love you.
NetIncarnate 3 months ago
@UltraJudgeDredd
Assuming your not a troll, I think it's overboard to think we should get rid a part of the brain that allows us to imagine things. Perhaps it's more necessary than what some people assume it to be.
frinkmhey 3 months ago
@dirtydonki This does.nt mean they are all delusions, it may mean that only certain parts of the brain can perceive the infinite or god if there is such a thing, other dimensions, etc. What if the right temperal lope can perceive something that our other senses can,t? Just a thought
Gerazini 6 months ago
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Rooker87 4 months ago
@dirtydonki Persinger's findings regarding the effects of environmental geomagnetic activity have, to date, not been independently replicated. One published attempt to create a feeling of a "sensed presence" using an EM- and ultrasound-based "haunted room" instead of a God Helmet, found that reports of unusual experiences were uncorrelated with the presence or absence of "complex" environmental eletromagnetic fields similar to Persinger's.
Rooker87 4 months ago
@dirtydonki
Yeah. Especially the NDE's that happened after total brain death.
Cuz this helmet totally exposed that.
Idiot.
This helmet doesn't even come close to disproving religious experience.
MorpheusOmikron 3 months ago
@MorpheusOmikron Clutch at straws all you like. We humans only think we are something special when in the grand scheme of things we don't even register as of any significance whatsoever.
As for idiot? You just can't let it go can you & by stating "NDE's that happened after total brain death" you demonstrate your failure to comprehend the meaning of your own statement. There is no coming back from total brain death making your comment stupid in the extreme & exposing you as the real idiot here.
dirtydonki 3 months ago
@dirtydonki
"When in the grand scheme of things"
You couldn't compute the grand scheme of things if you tried. Evidence of it's nature is thrown at you over and over again but you're brain washed by your religious materialistic dogma.
And yes, people HAVE come back from brain death. People HAVE come back from the brain ceasing to function, and NDE's have been observed.
Lies only take you so far, dirty. You will face God whether you like that idea or not.
MorpheusOmikron 3 months ago
@MorpheusOmikron MORON
dirtydonki 3 months ago
@dirtydonki
poor you.
MorpheusOmikron 3 months ago
@dirtydonki
Also, consider that it's results havn't been replicated.
This could be a whole pile of BS.
And then, even if it was true, still fails to falsify religious experience.
MorpheusOmikron 3 months ago
@MorpheusOmikron You sir are a big & ignorant twit. :)
Keep on believing whatever you want but just because you do do does not mean that it is true nor that it will come true.
It's a great life. Enjoy it to the full whilst time is kind to you.
dirtydonki 3 months ago
@dirtydonki
"You sit a big and ignorant twit"
Who knows a great deal more than the naive fool talking to him.
"Enjoy it to the full whilst time is kind to you."
My time is eternal. This is just another rotation in a cycle that neither began nor can end. I can live without time very easily.
So can you. And one day you too will understand the consequences of that truth.
Peace and goodbye.
MorpheusOmikron 3 months ago
@MorpheusOmikron Thanks ever so much for proving me correct and making yourself look the complete ass that you so obviously are.
Now fuck off and preach to someone who gives a shit about you BS religion and fantasies pertaining to eternity.
Boy will you be disappointed.
dirtydonki 3 months ago
@dirtydonki
I didn't prove you correct.
I said things that were so stupid sounding to you, that you took it as a nail in the coffin of my stupidity.
Actually, it was a nail in the coffin that I am simply diametrically opposed to your entire world-frame. You're going to find out very quickly you were living in a castle made of lies, Dirty. And lies do not last forever.
Goodbye. No more discourse past the point will be had.
MorpheusOmikron 3 months ago
@dirtydonki This research actually proves the opposite. I take it you haven't looked deeper into Michael Persinger's work.
Sroek 3 months ago
if you tell a lot of people who want to get high that this "god helmet" is the "smashin awesome bong helmet" Will the same percentage of people have ecstatic feelings and hallucinations?
bolengerin 9 months ago
Home schooled = My Momma Said... Waterboy ref.
ISamuelII 9 months ago
For the believers in ghosts and fairies, do think that the highest form of life on an imaginary evolutionary scale would be the first form of life to just pop up out of no where as some god? You accept that version but you can't imagine our version of life appearing here through some other means like evolution from goo or panspermia? Keeping it simple Students, eliminate the middleman and you will be better off. God creating other gods that then created you is a BS cycle of deceipt.
ISamuelII 9 months ago
WTF boys and girls
Bouncingship 10 months ago
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The biggest joke here in Germany is that all the snitchers of the BND, the ex GESTAPO are pushing far away the possibility that these techniques may be used against themselves too.
No, not me, I am part of the system, they never would to this with me.
A clever idea to silence someone before brainwashing.
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wwwtotalitaerde 10 months ago
@SlackerSlayer
You spend an awful lot of time aiming nonsensical remarks at someone who is not conversing with you. Frankly, as best as I can tell, what you need is a good dose of STFU. I do not care what you think-at all. However, I care that you have a right to think whatever you wish, and that you ought to shut the hell up and let others do so as well. You're infantile attempts at irritating me show both your lack of maturity, and your lack of intelligence. Argue with someone who cares.
Kriegar1964 10 months ago
What a perfidious attempt at explaining the Mystical experience, claiming he can reproduce this state through a series of magnetic pulses. Reductionist to the core and materialist points of view lead to no insight.
VowOneWisdom 11 months ago
Does he go on to say, 'those without a religious life today also feel the same spiritual effect?' He states, those with a "temporal lobe *sensitivity* or creativity and who are very religious". That last part is the key to these subjects feeling this god presence. Does it not effect those that are not creative but are religious the same? How about creative but Atheist? Full study details are missing. This is cherry picking results so far in this presentation.
SlackerSlayer 11 months ago
These people got high as fuck.
ifeeltired4422 1 year ago
@ifeeltired4422 It's a good thing. ^^
faetrn 1 year ago
This is intriguing but I can't help wonder... it's been said that we use as little as 10% of our brains. So is it not reasonable to flirt with the idea that perhaps that experiment enhances the ability to connect with a spiritual dimension, rather than it being an illusion?
Would love some input on this.
Cherrygasm 1 year ago
It must truly be sad to be so unhappy and afraid in the little world inside your mind that you would feel the need to be so down on others and their chosen beliefs. I feel for you, really. In fact, I pity you.
How can you possibly be so pompous that you would presume to think you have the consummate possession of all the knowledge of religion, science psyche AND the workings of the human brain?
Get a life will you? Maybe then you wouldn't be so possessed with denigrating others.
Kriegar1964 1 year ago
@Kriegar1964 "down on others and their chosen beliefs."
Chosen?? Seriously?? Well the conversion into that devine concept at the point of a sword certainly makes them rational beings. Understanding the beginnings of thngs makes them less than devine.
SlackerSlayer 11 months ago
@SlackerSlayer
Conversion of some by the point of the sword at the hand of man does not indicate conversion of all. Nor is it relevant in ones' religous choices today, at least in this country. You presume too much, and at this point in time, know too little.
Even if this helmet can reproduce an experience, that is certainly no proof it is the SAME experience, nor that the experience does not exist by othe rmeans. It is a specious argument.
Kriegar1964 11 months ago
Religion isn't really very concerned about if god exists or not. The point of religion is to encourage be good people, to respect each other, to help your neighbor. The belief in god is left over from a time when there wasn't really science. Religion was their science. Remember, god has only been disproven for a little over a hundred years. The people that try to impose god and the afterlife on everyone are loonies, and only a small percent
manrayer88 1 year ago
@manrayer88 ... I'm not religious at all, but I'm certainly interested in this so called claim that you have disproven the existence of god. Please elaborate further!
TheWorldIsRound2012 1 year ago
@manrayer88 Things certainly changed after Ben Franklin found out what metal flashing around the home can prevent,,, that all too life ending spark of godt coming down through the roof and zapping the impure thoughts of its victims.
SlackerSlayer 11 months ago
now... THAT deserves a nobel!
hiruc 1 year ago
This God Helmet should be used for the Ganzfeld / psychic testing. Results should be interesting!!!
mounthydra 1 year ago
Not too long ago, Dr. Persinger stated he found evidence for telepathy in the lab using the God Helmet, if he continues to replicate this finding with the God Helmet, it will strongly suggest these altered states are not merely brain manifestations. Also, additional areas of interest would be to gather Near Death Experience patients and strap the Helmet on to them to see if their are similarities/differences and/or any occurences of psychic phenomena.
mounthydra 1 year ago
fascinating I dont know if its BS or science or both but it is fascinating.
gitarsnsuch 1 year ago
So do Atheist See Anything ?
or in atheist , does that part of the brain not function correctly ?
JSprayaEntertainment 1 year ago 2
WHAMMY.
Eat shit theists. :)
cpynch 1 year ago 6
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@cpynch this does not prove god, it only proves our brains create this "psychic" field. sorry dude, this is not enough evidence for you to say "WHAMMY. Eat shit theists. :)" this is really cool research this guy is into, but doesn't prove god, if any thing it shows how some people can be more easily lead into a false belief system like any religion.